pokemon-winds-waves

[noble ice]

Hang on I’m going in

Now

There we go

[ocean vapor]

tysm!!

:D

[worn cobalt]

Still struggling to get Rotom's hyper space.

Seriously, why is finding Rotom so hard?

[charred sage]

yea I haven't had that one show up yet myself either

same with the gimmighoul one that I assume exists

also I love getting into a fight with a trainer and we same frame'd dragon rush so both of us missed

[noble ice]

So, trying to get shiny male Pyroar and there is a hyper space wild zone with Litleo in it.

So I either got two options either one I tried to shiny hunt for a male Litleo in the hyperspace wild zone or I do the bench method to try to shiny hunt for the male Pyroar in wild zone 17.

Which one do you guys think would be better?

[charred sage]

I'm not sure? I'd say maybe try hyperspace if you get a level 3 donut, otherwise bench for the forced male in zone 17? not sure

[robust wren]

Gamefreak Probably wants Rotom to hold onto some of the rare novelty it had back in DPPt, despite it being in universe the Pokémon that was the most normalized in human society

Kinda crazy how the entire population is just okay with a Pokémon that was infamous for being an unpredictable prankster living in their smartphones

Hell, they literally trust Rotom with their lives

[charred sage]

I would say "gen 7 moment" but it's more sword/shield that took it to that point since in gen 7 I recall it being a specific thing for the player? probably because ash's Roto-dex was basically another member of The Friend Group in gen 7's anime

(outside of Masters which uses that far more reasonable porygon for a similar role instead)

also getting trolled with looking for hyperspaces lol

getting so many sandile/carvanha portals I just want purrlion

also I got one with dark/water but the three mons shown were dondozo, simipour, and... eevee.

I'm tempted to say that was a large portal tho lol

[lime void]

I don’t think it was exclusive to the player, but I believe it was stated that Rotom dexes were at least somewhat rare

[charred sage]

yea I may have to play S/M again to check since I forgot the specifics there lol

[lime void]

I’d love to replay the Alola games… if they had multiple save files

Seriously, why hasn’t Pokémon implemented multiple save files yet

[ocean vapor]

They were, just being tested on consumers which is why the player gets one as well as hau (fucking NEPO babies)

[lime void]

I don’t think Hau had one

[charred sage]

dang there's a portal with a lone furfrou around a bunch of ice types

if this was normal boost and not all boost I'd take that but

[charred sage]

the switch games technically have multiple save files but you can only access the additional ones if you have home

(if you make another switch account then they get their own save files. interestingly enough, you don't actually need nintendo online on those accounts to access them with home as long as your main account does, even if you're still locked out of in-game wifi use)

does make it very easy to re-run Sword/Shield and Scarlet/Violet though

the only exception I can think of is animal crossing where extra accounts are just thrown on the same island as the main

HECK

just got a dark/rock one that I thought was dark/normal for a second

(the rock type was a lone onix lol)

[lime void]

https://tenor.com/view/ford-westworld-elaborate-please-gif-22211211

[charred sage]

I forget how you make new accounts on the switch 2 but it's probably somewhere in the options menu?

checks* there we go, system settings -> users -> add user

[lime void]

I know about the alternate accounts thing, I’m asking about the Home part

[charred sage]

aaah that's more that you can boot up home with the main's account and still access the alt save files with it

I'm not sure if that works on the non-paid version of home though?

[lime void]

If you can do it with the free version of Home, I don’t know how

Guess that’s another core feature of the game that they locked behind a paywall

Oh wait nevermind, you can do it with the free version

[charred sage]

nice nice

[indigo mango]

lul yeah. i never replayed a pokemon game before because i dont wanna delete my save even if i never use it again

other nintendo games have multiple saves, never quite got why pokemon hates it

[ocean vapor]

Well, no- you don't need additional Nintendo accounts, just profiles 👍

[charred sage]

now that you mention it yea profile's the word for that

[ocean vapor]

And it does work on non paid home ^^

I'd know, I've swapped pokemon around on save files and I definitely don't pay for home

[charred sage]

yea if you're doing like a nuz it shouldn't take too long to get your mons from one save file to another

[ocean vapor]

Nopes!

[ocean vapor]

Uggghhh anyone with the dlc happen to have some spare pokemon? I need fungoos, seviper, feebas, indeedee and a throh/sawk for quests 😭

Dont feel like resetting wormholes for em ;(

I actually need the red tatsugiri too

[ocean vapor]

You can tell when this was being developed

[indigo mango]

not at all

thats just refrencing what these mons names are based on...and they existed way before among us was a thing

[robust wren]

I can't believe SpongeBob referenced Among Us back in 2007 with Fungus Among Us

[ocean vapor]

... I was making a joke 😭

Whats sarcasm ammirite

[unborn pewter]

"a Foongus is amoong us" you fool, Amoongus is the evolution

[ocean vapor]

ikr! MC so silly, doesn't even know which one comes first!

[worn cobalt]

FINALLY!!!!!!!!

[dreamy sleet]

Guys tell me what you think

[finite totem]

Am I missing something or is that just a single rotom distortion

[worn cobalt]

It's my first Rotom distortion. I managed 2 of 6 shiny Rotom I need.

[quiet frost]

oh yeah the espurr was also an alpha so shes big

[ocean vapor]

Anyone happen to have seviper, feebas and an indeedee I can have 😭

[polar hatch]

I have finished all the quest of the game and I don't have the DLC so IDK what to do in the game

[quiet frost]

you could make a living dex, do some shiny hunting, hell train some more mons up to level 100 if you want

[polar hatch]

I'm at 221/231 for the pokedex (catched I saw every pokemons) but I don't have online

[quiet frost]

do you know anyone irl who has the game?

[twilit trout]

which pokemon r u missing

[polar hatch]

trade pokemon

[twilit trout]

i think you can find some alphas of them at like zone 20

[quiet frost]

my dex for basegame is entirely complete cus my brother has the game as well

[quiet frost]

i think only for a few of them like steelix and alakazam

[twilit trout]

yeah tru not all but still some

[twilit trout]

isnt there 232 pokemon

[polar hatch]

and other

[polar hatch]

oh yes Diancie and Mewtwo (catched)

[twilit trout]

nice nice

i think yeah the two that you might not be able to get r the slurpuff and aromatic pokemon

steelix can be an alpha tho

[polar hatch]

he was disponible only for ||Xerneas|| quest T0T

[twilit trout]

did u get it though? or did u kill

[polar hatch]

killed :/

[twilit trout]

🫡

im sorry for your loss

[polar hatch]

it is in hyperspace ?

[twilit trout]

i think so

havent got it in hyperspace yet tho

[ocean vapor]

Anyone happen to have seviper, feebas and an indeedee I can have 😭 (I will keep posting dis smh!)

Finally 😭 should I use it in a 4* or a 5*?

4* gives the best kind of berries too right?

[charred sage]

4* and 5* both share the same berry pool I think? but generally yes

as a side note, rogue mega battle rewards completely ignore item-related boosts

so they can be a decent way to get rid of any coin/special item bonus donuts you don't have a use for

[ocean vapor]

Oh I just reset those away xd

That way I keep the berries used

And I get to reroll

It's a pain but much less of a pain

Ugh I need fire sparkling 3 so bad

I have psychic sparkling 3 and alpha 3 so uhm

If anyone wants to trade an shalpha psychic type for shalpha male fennekin it's on the table 😭

Back to resetting for fire 3 😔

[charred sage]

I have fire sparkling 2 atm

[ocean vapor]

Oo well if you end up getting spark 3 fire and alpha 3 then tell meh, I'll trade pretty much my entire box for that thing 😭

[hardy ruin]

w

[supple fern]

Yesterday I failed a shiny Aaron by soft resetting over the “Guaranteed Shiny Spawn” with no sparkling power. I thought the quests would stay if you use the same 3 star donut.

In the end, it’s not the end of the world. I can easily find another one at some point

[charred sage]

yea I think it's only level 3 sparkling that outright forces a shiny? it can show up with other donuts though but it's not a 100% thing

[supple fern]

I wonder what the odds are for those donuts that lack that forcing.

[charred sage]

not sure? I got it off a level 1 sparkly donut though

[charred sage]

at this point the only thing convincing me that nickit and purrlion aren't mutually exclusive is that I recall getting a portal with them both in earlygame

since I've had three instances now where I've gotten two dark portals in the same rotation that had one of them and the other two slots were both the same mon (I think houndour was one of the options all 3 times)

at this point I'll almost take nickit/scraggly since I like mega scrafty's shiny more than the normal one

tempted to say neither can show up in a tier 4 portal which is making this take even longer

[charred sage]

frick it I'm just gonna use the alpha donut on purrlion/scraggly since I already have a thievul trained up and normal thievul + shiny liepard works better than the reverse does

take 1: shiny non-alpha houndour (the third option in that portal)

[ocean vapor]

I keep getting purrloin portals so next time I see one I'll catch a few for ya

[charred sage]

er what's the button combo to go back multiple saves?

[ocean vapor]

Oh nvm ur shiny hunting xD

[charred sage]

nvm got the code

[ocean vapor]

X+B+up

[charred sage]

oh that took me back to the last pokemon center lol

which thankfully doesn't matter as my last party appears to just be from a minute or two ago

[ocean vapor]

It always auto saves on teleport and then when u reload the auto save it takes you to the nearest poke center from where you saved

[charred sage]

take two: same as take 1 except the shiny houndour's alpha this time

actually I wonder, does the slot of the pokemon matter? since it's been houndour all 3 times and houndour's in slot 1 on the preview

[ocean vapor]

I'd take it chat I would

[ocean vapor]

I think so, I was resetting for maybe shiny delphox but I kept getting espurr

[charred sage]

I'll go twice more and if it's houndour again I'll look for another portal

I should also note it's been in the same location all four times so yea probably fixed on that front

since I think the only thing that changed was whether or not it was alpha

not having any luck, seeing a ton of houndours/sableyes/sandiles getting hit

I'm gonna try SR'ing where two of the options are the same two members of the evo line and see if that helps

ok there we go finally got one of em to shinalpha

(purrlion in this case)

ok really strange question but

do alphas do a bit of damage to you just from them noticing you?

[ocean vapor]

If you stand too close, yes

The roar knocks j back and hurts you a bit

[charred sage]

aaah I see

I wonder if it's possible to black out from that lol

also I used a tier 5 donut on a tier 1 portal I'm gonna be here for a whiiiile

at the very least I can money grind by blowing up the alphas for EXP candy and seeds of mastery

[ocean vapor]

True xd isn't 5* on a 1* portal like almost an hour?

[charred sage]

probably, give or take

[ocean vapor]

Ts tuff?

[ocean vapor]

Chat we are so back with this forced alpha shiny 😭🙏

[ocean vapor]

Life hack, if what ur shiny hunting is dual type (like this beldum), you find a portal with only one of its types and get a donut with the type it doesn't share with anything else. I used a psychic sparkling 3 donut on this steel portal and I got a forced shiny beldum! And if u want a shalpha, just run back and forth to respawn the shiny until it's an alpha, bc it will ALWAYS stay shiny due to the force 👍

[noble ice]

Anybody want a shiny Sableye

[charred sage]

I've done that a few times but both of my targets there were mono-dark so forcing them that way wasn't an option

[ocean vapor]

Fair fair x3

[ocean vapor]

Oo I am. Intrigued.. Rubs chin

[charred sage]

what other donuts do I have in here uuuuh

steel, dragon, ghost, and electric

[noble ice]

Well, let me know when you’re ready

[ocean vapor]

I'll pass, for now

[noble ice]

Ok

[ocean vapor]

If no one else snatches em soon I'll take one xd

Gonna try for another shalpha beldum, maybe that would motivate people to get me my dang shiny fennekin

Nvm I got too bored running around

Stretchesss

[charred sage]

hmmm question before I bed

can you shiny hunt gimmighoul if you get its hyperspace?

[worn cobalt]

Yes. I've gotten two shiny gimmeghoul so I have a gimmeghoul and a gholdengo.

[charred sage]

nice to know to save my ghost donut if one of those pops up in the future, thanks!

[worn cobalt]

I need to decide if I wanna shiny hunt more mons that I'm missing, or if I wanna try and get another Rotom area to get more shiny rotom. I need 4 more.

[viscid adder]

today I learned that with Pokemon Legends ZA, there doesn't seem to be a profanity filter

because after catching a beldum, I named it "PainInTheAss", AND IT CLEARED

[worn cobalt]

But you can't name a pokemon Lullaby.

[odd tapir]

maybe just ass is aloud because of the previous issue with frosslass?

[daring finch]

they really looked at ||Darkrai|| and though lets add ||Darkhon from smash bros|| Endgame dlc spoiler I guess

[velvet forum]

Chicken!

[opaque osprey]

I’m too busy with life to continue with the dlc 🥲

I still getting points needed for the boss after mega Tatsugiri…

[ocean vapor]

I still need an indeedee and red tatsugiri 😭

I've been resetting portals for like 3 hours 😔

[karmic escarp]

can confirm that it is lol

[supple bone]

im glad the whole quest 69 and team sky reference thing for za died down

[ocean vapor]

That was a thing?

[supple bone]

yeah in a lot of places from what i was seeing was lots of people were saying how the quest about sky battles was a reference to team sky and if you said it was actually a reference to the sky battles from xy they would call you wrong

[ocean vapor]

Thats dumb ofc it's a sky battles reference he literally talks about sky battles

[robust wren]

The people saying that are probably younger than Pokémon XY itself

[supple bone]

most likely

[finite totem]

Had to search up if I am actually younger

I am somewhere around Gen 4 years old (17) 😃

(and no I don't even know what is a sky battle I didn't complete any of the 3ds games)

[supple bone]

i mean im technically older than gen 4 since i was 1 when it released

[charred sage]

I was gonna say isn't PMD team sky older than XY? since the former was gen 4 yea

also to clarify sky battles were pretty well summed up by the quest: flying and levitating pokemon only but only if their model showed them off the ground, qualifying-but-ground bound pokemon like hawlucha couldn't be used. none of them were mandatory battles though and most of them were pretty far out of the way

...and your reward for beating them all is something I'm not sure if you can claim anymore since it was something related to an online service?

[lime void]

There’s a PMD Team Sky?

[charred sage]

wait am I thinking of another team sky or

explorers of sky there we go that's what I was thinking of

[noble ice]

Some extra shiny Pokémon to those who wants any of them

[urban star]

can anyone help me evolve my porygon once pls

just to porygon2 and back

[charred sage]

gimmie a sec I can hop on real quick

also I got the G-Slowbro/H-Qwilfish special distortion three times in a row now

[ocean vapor]

Shakes and stares and breathes heavily at eevee

Bogos binted cat..

[charred sage]

Aliens Altered cat? since the shiny esp's green and all

[urban star]

just lmk, thank u 🙂

[charred sage]

@urban star bit late to reply but I can hop on now if you're ready

[urban star]

@charred sage just gotta finish this ranked battle thank you

we all ended 4 4 4 4 so lets do trade code 4444444 🤣

[charred sage]

nice? dunno how that works

er, the scores not the password, that I know

also gonna do a trade-evo of my own so gonna want this back

[urban star]

we all got 1st lol, and yup thats me

[charred sage]

ah nice

[urban star]

ur gonna hate me

[charred sage]

?

...oh did you forget the upgrade

[urban star]

yyyyuup

[charred sage]

rofl it's fine

[urban star]

okay im back at it haha

[charred sage]

so just regular to 2, not up to Z?

[urban star]

yes please!

[charred sage]

oooh heavy ball nice

[urban star]

it fit closest other than dive i think

[charred sage]

makes sense, I'd go for great ball but that's just me lol

[urban star]

nest machamp is dope too!

[charred sage]

yea it was either that or dusk and I was like "why not, nest"

[urban star]

im glad we got more pokeball chances in ranked, i wanna get a shiny Z in beast ball

[charred sage]

wish you luck with that, I've gotten a few beast balls from hyperspace but haven't gotten anything in one yet

[urban star]

ik itll be tough but worth it, thank you again 🙂

[slate sedge]

does anyone have the dlc?

for za

i need a primape

[vocal charm]

finished the main story of the DLC and i find it really funny that Corbeau is mission control for most of it rather than Quansartico
it feels like someone on the dev team decided he had more personality than Jett and Vinnie
also does he read like he's hitting on the protagonist at times?

[vocal charm]

okay thank you i'm not crazy

[charred sage]

so odd question but is there a point to plus'ing status moves or is that mostly just for PvP

since on damage moves it helps a lot for alphas and rogue megas but status moves don't get that benefit

generally going for a 2/2 move spread on most of my mons (except for thievul, he's a bit underbaked moveset wise since he's my main hyperspace exploring mon at this point lol) so I can basically alternate between the two for most rogue megas

heckin

went to go test out pay day on the local magikraps

first one I see is shiny

[vocal charm]

i got off a Safeguard so i didn't have to worry about that 🤔

because i am a basic bitch 😌

[charred sage]

also they thought of pay day, doesn't pop when you hit mega clusters or the training dummies in the dojo

does give you 500 yen every time you hit an actual pokemon with it though

also for final boss I think I just used ||slurpuff and then swapped to florges when it became apparent that no you need moonblast specifically dazzling gleam's range ain't gonna cut it||

(||I'd imagine play rough also works on a physical fairy type since that move doesn't care about range when you can just VWOOP onto the target||)

[vocal charm]

trying to remember who i used
i feel like it was emboar, florges, and was it lucario or roserade?

i would have stocked up on Fairy and Fighting, so might have had barbaracle, lopunny, or lucario with me, too

[vocal charm]

🤔 the more I think about it, I think they made the wrong choice making Corbeau Mission Control
It really should have been a continuation of Taunie’s story and her new role as CEO successor

I don’t say no to more Corbeau, but storywise it was the wrong choice

[charred sage]

...oh

so pay day does splash damage and you get an extra payment for each mon that got caught in the splash

[slate sedge]

does anyone have a treeko they would to like to trade?

[charred sage]

I haven't tested Pay Day on rogue mega bosses though but I wonder how much money you could make if you just parked yourself in front of the boss and just used pay day for however long the donut lasted

probably ||meowstic||'s since I think that's the only one that deals psychic damage?

Mega Victreebel is probably the best if you're running perrserker though

since your options are the persians, liepard, mewtwo, meowstic, zeraroa and... Annihilape for some reason???

[scenic fable]

Anyone have a Cofagrigus or Yamask they'd be willing to trade? I dont have the dlc yet but I want one rn

[charred sage]

I'm currently doing sonic crossworlds stuff but I can check once I'm done with the festival

[worn cobalt]

I'll check if I have one extra in a little bit. Specifically regular Yamask that evolves into Cofa, right?

[scenic fable]

Yup

[charred sage]

FRICK

just used a steel donut to get a tinkatink

next special portal: hisuian Goodras

[odd tapir]

i'm still looking for that, porygons, and one more legendary. but currently stalled shalpha hunting with an alpha x3 donut

[charred sage]

ok there we go did the Pay Day thing

almost defeated a rogue mega absol using nothing but pure pay day rofl, got it down to red before the timer expired, probably could have actually done it if liepard was holding a silk scarf but eh

so how much money was that? uuuuh I started at 1,130,844 and ended at 1,164,344 so 33,500 yen's worth of profit which also amounts to about 67 coins thrown

sadly in hyperspace the extra levels you get from the donut are ignored for pay day's money, otherwise that'd be doubled

also the game is giving me mega frosslass so much rofl

which I don't mind since it's a pretty simple fight

[finite totem]

Already not like Anhiliape is ultimate boss killer😭

Also what about Payday on Quasartico simulations instead since those don't get time limits afaic.

[charred sage]

hmmm not sure, I haven't done those yet outside of the 3 they force you to do

[charred sage]

didn't get another steel donut but I did get an all types one so I'll just use that

ROFL

flies to portal

hears shiny noise before I enter it, loses it trying to find what caused that

(it was a spinarak in a garden that took me a good 5 minutes to find)

frick I do need steel, all-types forces an articbax

[charred sage]

there we go finally got a steel donut back

[charred sage]

oh I think I figured out how the pause reload explot works if a group spawns right next to the portal

so I now uh have two spare shiny hisuian sliggoos in addition to the one I caught for myself rofl

tempted to keep one of them so I have eviolite sliggoo and goodra

[unique karma]

I did quite a bit last night...

[vocal charm]

randomly ran into a shmalpha espurr last night, heh
also wish i knew primal groudon was immune to Water moves. would've changed my team building. at least i got it in the end by leaning heavily into STAB

[hazy knot]

what is a shmalpha? shiny male alpha?

[vocal charm]

me epenthesizing an m in there because i wasn't paying attention to the lingo

[charred sage]

ok seems like if you're doing the reset thing you can hit shinies that weren't the forced one if two species are close enough

also I remembered that from gen 6/7 and my normal party had a hippowdon so Sand Tomb did good work there

(the AoE moves are fantastic for bosses that don't move around overly much but I forget how many of em there are)

good lorde seed bomb is funny if all 4 bombs hit

I feel like they were very much playing around and experiementing with a lot of the DLC moves and it feels like even if some didn't work (razor wind lol) I do like them branching out in terms of how the moves work

[tulip nebula]

got a Shiny Budew out of the blue, THEN GOT A SHINY FLETCHLING A DAY LATER

I’ve never caught a shiny Pokémon before and my first shiny EVER being Budew was an absolute delight

[unborn elm]

Congrats:D

[quiet frost]

my first shiny ever was a pichu in swsh (but i was actively breeding for it, so more accurately my first purely natural shiny was that fucking meditite that i hate)

[charred sage]

mine was a magikarp in emerald while looking for a feebas lol

[robust wren]

My first non cheated shiny (I was a bit of an Action Replay kid) was a Floatzel. I remember it so vividly cause I was at a friends house, and we always joked about how lucky he was. And there I was getting a legit shiny before him.

[charred sage]

heckin

huisuian sliggoo looks so goofy in this game

just rolls up and follows you around like a wheel

[charred sage]

that reminds me I think my cousin actually found pokerus in his gen 3 game which we all got very confused by looking back 5-6 years later when I knew what that was lol

[robust wren]

I remember I got Pokerus back in Diamond and it made a bunch of my friends mad cause all the Pokémon I had had that smiley face marking that meant they were cured of it, but because none of us knew that I was just smug about my Pokémon liking me more than theirs did

[charred sage]

also does H-Sliggoo really not get flash cannon? dang

omg the recharge duration on gigaton hammer is horrific

[supple bone]

id do something bout the spoilers this tierlist contains

[ruby venture]

The dlc has been out for a month now. I think if they wanted to play the game they would have

[supple bone]

yeah but ||garchomp z|| is not in the dlc and has not yet been revealed so its a spoiler

[ruby venture]

Even then that's not a significant enough of a spoiler to warrant any action? It was already confirmed and we know it has a mystery gift event soon

[wicked solstice]

its probably gonna be another online reward or something

nvm

[supple bone]

yeah but still ik some people dont like being spoiled about something that nindeo hasnt yet officially revealed

[wicked solstice]

also whats that tier list based on

[ruby venture]

Vibes 😎

[wicked solstice]

please explain that in a non gen z term

[ruby venture]

Vibes is a millennial term

[wicked solstice]

close enough

[ruby venture]

Youre likely a millennial of gen z?

[wicked solstice]

ok please just tell me

lol

[ruby venture]

Idk how to explain it too you

Its pretty self explanatory

Do I vibe with the pokémon or not

[wicked solstice]

so

basically you get along with a robot

[ruby venture]

What?

[wicked solstice]

mega magearna

[ruby venture]

I put it in b tier

[wicked solstice]

b tier is pretty solid

[ruby venture]

Thats mid

Its literally the middle of the list

[wicked solstice]

mid is better than bottom tier at least

[ruby venture]

Well yeah but the bottom tier is stuff I think shouldn't have left the drafts let alone made it to a full game

[jade ocean]

It was leaked and isn't not officially revealed, which isn't allowed

[ruby venture]

Alright I'll fix it

[jade ocean]

With that said ||Mega Meowstic in S tier is based||

[ruby venture]

They took a doodoo bad pokémon and made it super strong and cool which should be the entire point behind mega pokémon

[quiet frost]

you did NOT just put medicham above meganium, lucario & absol z, and fucking aerodactyl

[jade ocean]

I imagine the Z Megas are there purely for being 2nd Megas to Pokemon with Megas

Anyways why is Mega Bax rated so highly? It's a massive improvement over base Bax, sure, but that's more so because base Bax is kinda mid and not because Mega Bax is S tier (I'd personally put it in Low A tier)

[ruby venture]

Alright let me take those 1 by 1:
Meganium has no significant changes to its body and only adds the neck flowers that make the neck look completely immobile.
Lucario is a very overly exposed pokémon that already had a decently designed mega in both looks and battle
Mega absol z is "CAN YOU SEE ALL OF ME" slop
Aerodactly again looks completely nonfunctional and that the slightest movements would cause itself to get stabbed by its own rocks. If this were one of the mega pokémon in pain that would make sense but this is supposed to be its true form that wasn't tainted by the fossil restoration process. So why is it rock type?

[jade ocean]

Furthermore, every other Pseudo Mega is rated lowly

At least to some extent

[ruby venture]

Pseudos shouldn't need megas

[jade ocean]

Then why is Bax rated highly?

It is straight up the strongest Pseudo Legendary

So by your logic, it should be rated lowly, good design or not

[ruby venture]

Cause he actually looks good, also strongest is a strong word

He's definitely not the strongest pseudo

[jade ocean]

It's also a true word for Singles, being the only base Pseudo Legendary to be banned from OU

In VGC uhh idk most of them are mid I think Dnite wins by default or something

Maybe Garchomp actually idk

I don't play VGC

[ruby venture]

Thats singles and is made up

Singles isn't real and cant hurt me

[ruby venture]

It depends on legacy or power

[jade ocean]

Also Metagross is so much cooler than Mega Bax if I'm gonna be fr

[quiet frost]

meganium has no significant changes to its body yet you put slowbro in B (literally just wraps the shell around it) and sableye in S (literally just "big rock lmfao")

[jade ocean]

And I feel like it's certainly worse competitively on every front

[ruby venture]

Thats cause the main aspect of those pokemon changes to be something else

[jade ocean]

That's really the only thing I'm confused with because it just seems like Mega Bax should be placed at like B or C tier at best for the same reasons the other Mega Pseudos are

[quiet frost]

i think you just dont like meganium

[ruby venture]

I dont

But they had an opportunity to change that and failed

[quiet frost]

still zero excuse for medicham being anywhere other than F-

[jade ocean]

Though if we isolate the context of it being a Mega Pseudo which you seem to dislike in general, then I could see an S tier for it

[ruby venture]

Mega Medicham doesnt do anything wrong. It just advances the aspects of medicham

[jade ocean]

Also yeah no I see a lot of hate for Mega Medicham in general and I'm curious why

[quiet frost]

it takes the already ugly medicham and makes it uglier 😭

[ruby venture]

And?

Not every pokémon should be visually appealing. Theres room for the weird and grotesque designs

[jade ocean]

Also as for Mega Aerodactyl, I think it's clearly the Pokedex being full of shit

[quiet frost]

there's a difference between "weird and grotesque" and just not feeling well designed

[jade ocean]

You've seen the entries for Gardevoir, Magcargo and the Paradoxes

But have you seen the ones for Lanturn and Mega Heatran?

[quiet frost]

medicham is trying to be like 5 different concepts at once

it doesnt work

[jade ocean]

Or heck, Tyranitar's dex entry

[ruby venture]

Isn't lanturn as bright as a star?

[jade ocean]

Which scales it above every Legendary short of Ultra Necrozma

Including MEGA Rayquaza

[ruby venture]

And the celestial legends

Arceus and his sons

[jade ocean]

Yeah those scale above Ultra Necrozma for sure

I just phrased it weirdly

[jade ocean]

Also apparently according to calcs Lanturn would be able to destroy the observable universe multiple times over

[ruby venture]

Except tyranitar who's invincible

[jade ocean]

Lanturn fr scaling above every Pokemon except Arceus if the dex entries are true

But TLDR: Mega Aerodactyl probably isn't a good representation of Aerodactyl in the past

Given that A: The Pokedex is full of shit and B: Mega Aerodactyl does not in any way look natural

[quiet frost]

you mean like how meowstic's psychic power is enough to turn a 10-ton truck into dust

[jade ocean]

Idk that's more believable than the other ones I've listed

Like at least I can comprehend crushing a 10 ton truck

I can't comprehend Mega Heatran being supposedly like 180 times hotter than the surface of the sun

[ruby venture]

OK but 10 ton trucks are the punching bags of the pokedex

Hariama turns those into cubes for his morning workout

[vocal charm]

Meanwhile, my playboy bunny punching it for funzies:

[ruby venture]

Yeah my colony of barnicles turned it to dust

[jade ocean]

I straight up killed it right as it was starting to use its ultimate

Which looked very scary

So I do not regret murdering its ass in the slightest

[ruby venture]

I am conflicted with mega heatran

[vocal charm]

Why are the lati@s in different tiers, anyway?

[ruby venture]

I think the design is a good mega latios

Not latias

[jade ocean]

I agree both should be in D tier

I hate the Mega Eon Duo why are they literally the same mf but with different eyes and stats

[ruby venture]

Them being shared bumps them Down

[jade ocean]

And why is the Mega just worse looking than the base form

[ruby venture]

Me to every pokémon below b tier

[jade ocean]

Better than Gmax Flappletun though

Quite literally the same design

With an appearance that only fits Appletun

[ruby venture]

Yeah that one also sucked

[vocal charm]

Anyway, putting Starmie in D tier but skarmory in S

[jade ocean]

Tbh Mega Starmie is a bit goober-y so I'd put it in like low B tier off that alone

[ruby venture]

I heard that people like you existed but never thought it true. Are there really people who like mega starmie?

[jade ocean]

But I absolutely understand putting it at either F tier or S tier

[lime void]

Thing is, Skarmory probably should’ve gotten a regular evolution instead

[jade ocean]

If it wasn't a goober I'd have put it at like low D tier, possibly F tier

[jade ocean]

Singles player here, no thanks

Well at least not this generation

Maybe in like the next 2 generations idk

[ruby venture]

Yeah even a doubles player can see that's a bad idea

[lime void]

It can’t get one in any generation now

[jade ocean]

True

Tbh Skarm kinda just shouldn't have gotten anything yet

[ruby venture]

But tbf they did make the ruin legends so I think game freak gave up on balance

[jade ocean]

I don't think it really needs anything rn

[ruby venture]

It does in doubles where its just worse corv

[jade ocean]

Though Mantine certainly does

I'd prefer an evolution but given how Skarm has a Mega I feel like they'd either give Mantine nothing or a Mega

[ruby venture]

Also yeah there are still a lot of gen 1 and 2 pokémon that haven't gotten any thing

[vocal charm]

Something about the dex entry just sold it to me
Meanwhile I can’t see skarmory not tripping over its snowshoe-of-a-talons there

[ruby venture]

It doesnt trip. It just flys

[jade ocean]

Mantine got Mantyke technically but babies serve 0 purpose but to be marketable plushies and Igglybuff fails at even that

Creepy ass mf

[vocal charm]

Best autogens

[ruby venture]

Even as a firm cleffa and chingling enjoyer I can admit theyre useless

Im going threw the pokedex and surprised arbok hasn't gotten anything

[vocal charm]

You mean Kalosian seviper?

[ruby venture]

Yoy mean kantonian also arbok is better

At least arbok has a decent ability

[vocal charm]

You haven’t done the quest yet, then?

[ruby venture]

In za?

Where it gets nothing?

[vocal charm]

Yeah
In the DLC, there’s a guy who is convinced his arbok is a seviper

[ruby venture]

I was hyped for the fake mega arbok leak

[vocal charm]

Whazit look like?

[ruby venture]

It would have been the second useless poison type with intimidate that I was fond of that got a new form as a dark/poison type

[vocal charm]

Corbeau would not ditch his bestie

[ruby venture]

But I would

As much as I like scolipede its type combo sucks

[lime void]

I’m so glad that was fake. Gen 1 already got 8 megas too many in ZA and Arbok needs a regular evolution anyway

[ruby venture]

The nidos deserved something

And the ducks

[lime void]

What we deserve is a game where Gen 1 gets no special attention of any kind to make up for the outrageous Gen 1 pandering during Gen 7

[vocal charm]

And that’s why Corbeau has all the fan girls and you don’t

[ruby venture]

As much as I agree with that I understand its never gonna happen. Have to sell a few Pikachu plushies to fund mega drampa

[ruby venture]

They're attracted to his money

[lime void]

They can sell as many Pikachu plushies as they want as long as they don’t give any more underserved forms to Kanto mons

[vocal charm]

They should give regionals to the poliwag line so I stop forgetting they exist

[ruby venture]

They should make a mega poliwrath that actually looks like a frog

[ruby venture]

Then what are you talking about? What undeserving kanto pokémon has gotten a new form in the past 10 years?

[charred sage]

mostly just the same pool of 5 (pikachu, charizard (and squirtle/bulbasaur to a much lesser extent), mewtwo, eevee, and gengar) that keep popping up over and over again with some other ones occasionally taking the spotlight, though three of them at least has justifications of being The mascot, The legendary, and The ghost type

still, I can see why considering I still know a lot of non-gaming people who's general view of the franchise consists of everything that happened up to 2000, pokemon GO('s first 4-6 months), and to a lesser extent anything that also happened in the Smash Bros series

also I keep getting repeat special distortions, game really doesn't wanna give me rotom and gimmighoul's

[ruby venture]

Yeah they've gotta make new Charizard forms cause they know its popular. They're marketing to the most common denominator

[lime void]

The Raticate line, Raichu, the Sandslash line, the Ninetales line, the Dugtrio line, the Persian line, the Golem line, the Muk line, Exeggutor and Marrowak got Alola forms in Gen 7. No pokemon from any generation got an Alola form. Pikachu got 2 exclusive Z-moves, and Eevee, Snorlax and Mew also an exclusive Z move. No other pre gen 7 Pokémon got an exclusive Z move.

Meowth, the Rapidash line, the Slowbro line, Farfetch'd, Weezing, Mr. Mime, Articuno, Zapdos and Moltres all got Galarien forms. Of those, Meowth had already gotten a regional variant, Slowbro had already gotten a mega, and Mr Mime had already gotten a prevolution. The Galar forms stated above make up more then half of all Galarien forms, and the region with the second most is Unova with 3, a third of what Kanto got. Everything else got either 1 or nothing.

Venusaur, Charizard, Blastoise, Butterfree, Pikachu, Meowth, Machamp, Gengar, Kingler, Lapras, Eevee and Snorlax all got Gigantamax forms. Of those, Charizard got 2 megas, neither of which it deserved, Venusaur and Blastoise also got megas that they did not deserve, Gengar got a mega (which I'm fine with, but it shouldn't have also gotten a g-max form), Meowth I've already discussed in the Galar form section, Eevee got an exclusive Z move, and Snorlax got both a prevolution and an exclusive Z move (I'll give Pikachu a pass since it's the series mascot). The only other pre Gen 8 Pokémon to get a g-max form were Garbodor and Melmetal.

For the sake of time, I won't mention what Gen 1 got in LA or Gen 9, because the amount of attention it got is relatively reasonable compared to every other generation

[charred sage]

at the very least it's easy to chain these bonuses by clearing a rogue mega raid then the special raid

tbh I'd give most of gen 6 a pass outside of the uneeded X megas since that's where it started (and was partially an overreaction to BW's dex only being entirely new pokemon)

gen 7's regionals being just gen 1 and gen 8's gigantamaxes also being just gen 1 and 8 (barring garbodor and melmetal) as well is too much yea

gen 9 did walk it back thankfully but gens 7 and 8 is mostly where that criticism is (bonus points: LGO bridging the gap between the two)

[lime void]

I didn't mention Gen 6 since they said in the last 10 years

[charred sage]

that being said with some of those I'm wondering what your criteria for if something did deserve something is there beyond "not being from gen 1" lol

[lime void]

My main issue is that Gen 1 was the only older Gen to get anything in Gen 7, and it got the vast majority of special attention in Gen 8, and a good chunk of the Pokémon that got forms in Gen 8 were Pokémon that already got special attention

[charred sage]

unless the criteria is "those should have been entirley new mons, nothing related to old ones" in which case fair

but yea pokemon very much knows what it's marketing forces are and will always push them ahead of even the less popular gen 1 mons

actually now that I think about it, it's almost like a priority list of sorts since we have "gen 1 juggernauts" then "non-gen 1 juggernauts" (lucario, rayquaza, gardevior, incineroar, rowlet being some examples) then "decently popular gen 1 mons" then "decently popular mons from the current gen" then "low popular gen 1 mons" then "popular mons that aren't gens 2-current" then "the rest" then "glameow/purugly"

[ruby venture]

All of the pokémon youre saying we're completely terrible and needed new forms

[charred sage]

actually shoutouts to GF throwing the anime writers a free episode with G-meowth and them promptly doing nothing with the mon lol

[lime void]

There are also plenty of terrible mons that need new forms in other Gens, but they got completely shafted for no reason

[ruby venture]

Like what?

[charred sage]

at that point it just comes down to "what are some mons I like more/are worse gameplay-wise than X mon from gen 1"

[ruby venture]

What pokémon deserve to be iconic more then the ogs?

Even stuff like the raticate forms that made the pokémon worse

[lime void]

Do you really want to sit here and wait for me to come up with a list of every bad and/or forgotten mon from every generation other then Gen 1

[charred sage]

uuuh togepi, bellossom, gardevior, metagross, abomasnow, snivy, oshawott, zoroark, Chespin, fennekin, fletchling, spewpa, gogoat, swirlix, inkay, and dedenne?

(for anyone wondering why those mons specifically: ||they're the non-legendary pokeball mons in smash 4||)

[charred sage]

honestly: yes, just for completion's sake

[ruby venture]

No. What pokemon do you think deserved new forms? Cause all of the pokémon from gen 1 didnt get anything for 20 years. As someone who was there at the time it was very good to see them trying to go back and make corrections to their mistakes

[lime void]

Well I don't, so screw off

[charred sage]

bonus points if you omit the ones that did get something in later gens or specifically nail ones that got something unrelated to what they actually are like qwilfish and farfetch'd

[ruby venture]

What?

Qwilfish and farfetched deserved new forms

[charred sage]

I forget I remember someone complaining hard about sirfetch'd since it did nothing for base form farfetch'd, that one might not have been dark though

if that wasn't, my apolgies there

[lime void]

Several of the Pokémon I mentioned literally got special attention in Gen 6 and 7

[ruby venture]

Bruh who cares about base farfetched

[ruby venture]

I know. The 20th anniversary

[charred sage]

XY speedrunners? ...but only for like 20-30 min though because hawlucha I think is used for the rest of the run

[lime void]

So they shouldn't have gotten anything else

[ruby venture]

They didnt

Raticate

Marrowak

Sandslash

[charred sage]

actually speaking of the 20th this year's the 30th so I have a feeling February 26th will be... interesting to say the least

[ruby venture]

Egg

[charred sage]

ninetales if you don't count the drought insanity in gen 5

[lime void]

All right, if you're not going to pay attention to my argument, I'm not going to continue to waste my time

[ruby venture]

I dont know what you're complaining about?

Yeah Charizard got new forms. So? It was bad before those forms

[charred sage]

hence why I mostly now reserve my complaining for X

since Y at least feels like a natural extension of what charizard is so in the context of the other two it's perfectly fine

[ruby venture]

The only gen 1 pokémon that was keeping up was venusar

And that's why they gave it a new form that's a completely different archetype

[charred sage]

speaking of charizard if I get a hyperspace distortion for charizards I'm gonna take a huge swig of water

[charred sage]

yea hence why I'm curious as to what abilities victreebel and scovillian are gonna get since "mega evolved choro user" is still on the board and both have their nice points

HAH

rotom distortion, FINALLY

[ruby venture]

Victreebel is probably gonna get something like thick fat or gluttony and honestly scovillian is gonna need chlorophyll to see any use

[charred sage]

probably, thick fat would sadly just make it a worse mega venu and gluttony is literally worthless since it can't actually hold the berries needed for the ability to work

[ruby venture]

Maybe the syrup ability?

Or stench?

Or even just chlorophyll

[charred sage]

tbh my guess is probably corrosion considering how it was revealed and its own battle placing an emphasis on poison

which sadly still isn't much of a step up from salazzle's non-use of it

[indigo mango]

i like galarian farfetched more tho i still think it was kinda useless. just have normal farfetched evolve into Sirfetched

[ruby venture]

Nah id say corrosion would be super good for it. With synthesis it can actually stall out the toxic and has other tools like knock off and reflect

[charred sage]

hmmm maybe, could be an unconventional if effective use

considering salazzle notably has no recovery at all from what I recall

[ruby venture]

Unconventional?

[charred sage]

actually what is MVict's bulk again

[ruby venture]

It would just be a different flavor of amongus

[charred sage]

80/85/95, not terrible but

imo gen 8's biggest issue as far as mons go for me is why are there so many monotyped mons in that gen rofl

I feel like I did a list of which mons were monotyped vs. dual typed in that gen at some point but I forgot what the exact number was

[ruby venture]

Also gen 8 was the start of the power creep

[charred sage]

imo it feels like either gen 4 or 5 started it but it feels like gen 8 or 9 is when it got really out of hand

gen 8s is definitley when special moves and abilities started getting really out of hand though even if a lot of them were very hit-and-miss

[ruby venture]

Yeah gen 8 was the start of mons like indeedee who had entire teams built around it

[charred sage]

yea since the terrain mons in gen 7 were all legendaries

in a sense it did kinda feel like drought/drizzle becoming non-legendary in gen 5 even if the terrains didn't have the brief generation of infinite-duration that those two had

[robust wren]

I stand by my assertion that nobody would remember Indeedee if it didn't get freaking Psychic Surge

[ruby venture]

Yep

But because they set up the best terrain theyre Dou

And used in some of the best archetypes like tr and psyspam

[charred sage]

which is funny since I recall indeedee getting TR at all was unintentional?

since a few raid bosses have moves they're not supposed to have in gen 9 but indeedee's the only one that keeps one of those moves when caught, that move being TR

but instead of patching it out (like some of the more funny movepool glitches such as the pokemon GO import bug) they just made it a feature and kept it in the moveset which is neat

[ruby venture]

It was supposed to be indeedee male who learned it. Because indeedee male was the offensive one they deemed it fine

[charred sage]

aaah I see

[charred sage]

heck left the wormhole early

whatever I still got 4 shiny eevees from that so not bad

I've found the wormhole reset thing gets far better the lower the rarity the wormhole is

[scenic fable]

My baby 🥹

I love him sm

[ocean vapor]

Awh baby idiot 🥰

[old hinge]

My beloved Shiny Lati twin

[charred sage]

so doing some rogue mega raids and uh

maybe don't use flare blitz/brave bird on the mega beedrill refight since you can very much OHKO yourself from the recoil if you do too much damage

[vocal charm]

i struggled on the mega tatsugiri refight (since most of the moves i prefer hit heavy but take a bit to charge up, and that fecker darts around like the dickens), and about two Light of Ruins from Floette knocked herself out of the picture
thankfully, mawile was able to finish the job with Power-Up Punch and Play Rough, but still

also as soon as i defeated it the game decided it wanted me to do it again

[charred sage]

I started using dragon rush/claw cyclizar on that and it seems to work fine

[vocal charm]

Me: hunting squawkabilly
Research task: catch pokemon without being detected!
Me:

[charred sage]

my beloathed task

the only one that's worse are ones you physically can't complete, usually "catch 6 species" when one evo refuses to spawn or "catch an alpha" when the forced (?) alpha despawned before you found it

[vocal charm]

i lucked out once when the alpha respawned after i returned to the spot

also i finally caught a steelix. once i get a scizor and a machamp, that'll be all the base game trade evos gotten
and then i'll have to figure out if pory-z and milotic can spawn in hyperspace

[charred sage]

porygon-Z can, not sure about milotic

[vocal charm]

a higher shiny donut level doesn't mean more shinies will spawn, then?

[ocean vapor]

It just increases the odds! Lv 1 adds 1 more count to shiny, so it goes from 1/4500 Sumn to 2/4500 sumn

2 and 3 add to this, so a max donut is around 4/4500 ish

Without shiny charm

WITH shiny charm it's around 4/1400

[charred sage]

yea is there a place we know the donut odds?

there's also the "catch a shiny" mission which flatly forces at least one shiny to spawn. Level 3 sparkly donuts guarantee it but it can show up on lower sparkly ratings too, but much more rarely

[vocal charm]

ah, i see
i had a lv 3 shiny donut and the first crowd of pokemon i ran into had a shiny, but none of the others

also Mega Ray-Ray's kicking my ass
i'll have to try it again later 🤔

[charred sage]

yea I've noticed it almost always picks whatever group of mons spawns the closest to where the hole is (so if you reset then load a backup it'll always be the same group that's picked)

[vocal charm]

gonna have to figure out its attacks

[charred sage]

also yea I think I lost to ray ray once, basically treat it like a pure dragon type in round 2? I know I had to swap off slurpuff since dazzling gleam just didn't have the range for it

[vocal charm]

i can't stand still and get my team to blast at it! i get hit!

[charred sage]

hmm question for the Elemental Trio mission

can I use any starter for that one (like vanilla, kanto, hoenn, or kalos) or am I forced to go with the starter starters

(I assume I am)

[vocal charm]

i think the mission description specifies, but i dunno if the game holds you to them

[vocal charm]

also i decided to run Metronome on Clefable for funzies. so far, i've used Explosion twice, and Core Enforcer once
i haven't been keeping track of all the moves i roll, but these are the funnier ones

[jade ocean]

There's an NPC that uses exclusively Metronome

And they rolled fucking Geomancy on me

[ruby venture]

How are people shiny hunting in the wormholes?

[charred sage]

short answer: donuts that use Sweet-flavored hyperberries
long answer: gimmie a sec

actual long answer: so basically when you're making sweet donuts (the Agnat Hyper Tanga berry is ideal for this but the Haban can also work well, and the Chople and Occa can MAYBE work but aren't super recommended, you can get the first two from tier 4 portals and the latter two from tier 3 portals) so keep making donuts until you have one that has Sparkling Power: [Type] (Lv. 3). most of the donuts you make will be type specific but sometimes you'll get lucky and get an All Types donut

once you have your donut, there are two main things you can do, either a "sparkly and speed" or the "mash and reset" method

Sparkly and Speed is basically just running in the portal, grabbing whatever got forced shiny, and then running out after doing the rest of your tasks

Mash and Reset is basically just going to the map and selecting to go back to the portal over and over again. This is because the game resets all pokemon spawns when you do that EXCEPT for ones that spawned shiny, so each time you go back to the portal you're technically doing another shiny roll on every non-shiny pokemon in the wormhole

there is a hard limit of 10 shinies at a time I believe though but in small wormholes I've never hit that, small just makes it the fastest to see what spawned, though you can sometimes get a bad portal location in the sewer hyperspace that seems to spawn less shinies than normal if it slaps you in the dead-end with the ladder and no pokemon spawn in front of you

that's if you ddon't want to also do backup resets though. if you don't mind those then there are two opportunities you can employ those: the donut making and the portal spawns. the latter is far more useful in Sparkly and Speed since you're only grabbing one thing shiny anyway if you aren't getting obliterated bcause the game threw a shiny alpha vaporeon right in front of the wormhole rather than trying for at least one of everything in the wormhole but for donut making it can cut down on the Lv 1 and Lv 2 donuts you'll get along the way. You can also get other pink powers but the only one worth mentioning is Alpha Power which increases the chances of encountering alphas. even level 2 allows for a lot more alphas and level 3 I think is something like a 50/50 chance of every spawn being a mega? if you get a level 1 sparkle level 3 alpha donut it could be worth hopping into a level 1 portal and grinding out EXP candies.

as for the other flavors of donuts.... red (damage boosts) and blue (defense boosts) are basically worthless unless you really wanna do trainer portals or rogue mega refights. Green (catching and encounter bounses) are somewhat niche but you'll see them a fair bit if you're using Haban berries, consider them more of a bonus than something you're activley going for though. Yellow on the other hand is also decently worth seeking out for non-shiny rewards. Ideally from the Hyper Kasibs but the Colburs, Babris, and Roselis also work in a pinch

You'll sometimes get mega power charging (which is nice in rogue megas) or mega conservation (literally worthless for my no-megas run rofl) but you might get things like Big Haul which increase how much you get from pokeballs or you can get one of five bonuses that affects what you get from those pokeballs

Berries I'm not sure if that does anything that big haul doesn't, Candies means you get a lot of EXP candy from those balls, and Treasure means that you get things you can sell for money. All three of them are great and worth baking. the other two are Special, which gives you more evolution items, and Coins which gives you... gimmighoul coins. both of these are pretty useless after one or two of em, just burn these in hyper rogue refights tbh since the end reward for beating them completely ignores any item bonuses your donuts give

sorry for being long-winded but hopefully that helps for donut'ing

[charred sage]

also minor thing uh if you get "catch X different species" when tatsugiri's in the portal, each kind of giri counts as a seperate species

[charred sage]

right yea uh that more-or-less confirms something, the game feels like it'll only roll shinies that are within a certain proximity of the wormhole

in my current case all of the tepig spawns are too far away to be rerolled despite there being +3 litwicks and fletchlings, both of which are far closer to the portal

[ocean vapor]

Do I keep resetting 😭😭😭😭😭😭

Lv 2 isnt guaranteed shiny </3

[charred sage]

for Shine and Grab I'd say reset but if you're doing the hyperspace entry point resetting method that can still work, though I'd advise going for a 1 or 2 star portal since it'll be slower, with the lower star portals you get more time with it

(funny you mention level 2, just did the wormhole method with a level 2 and got it to work. it's far slower than level 3 but it did work

I would still say to do a saftey pokemon center save before you hop in though since you can still get a bad spawn that might not allow you to get the mon you want though (in this one I was lucky to get the small park that had both furfrou and kecleon close together)

actually The Small Park in generaly is probably the best wormhole since a vast majority of the spawns can be seen from both wormhole locations. the sewers can possibly be better if you get a center wormhole since it literally covers every single spawn point but that one isn't super common

[ocean vapor]

I decided to reset uff

I'd rather have a pure fire type one anyway

So far I've gotten Sh. Rock 3 Alpha 3, Sh. Fairy 3 Alpha 3 and Sh. Ground 3 Teensy 2

So uh if anyone wants a shiny rock or shiny fae hmu

[ocean vapor]

[charred sage]

not alpha but still nice nice

I'd honestly keep that and if you're running low on tangas/habans just do a few other portals to get em back

ok that should be everything I need for ZA's final missions

which is uh starters, lucario, farfetch'd, and furfrou (ok I didn't need a second furfrou but may as well)

and also technically a poison type apparently but I already had that one covered

[ocean vapor]

Nah I'll just keep resettinf

Ended up getting fire 2 Alpha 3

Not... Perfect but

I'm so tired

Of resettinf

It's been like at least 8 hours of resetting combined for fire 3 Alpha 3

[charred sage]

rip

[ocean vapor]

Time to fuggin.

Reset for fennekin.

[little nacelle]

GUYS THE SUGIMORI ART FOR THE MEGAS RELEASED

[unborn pewter]

SHOW

[little nacelle]

@unborn pewter I can only show the ones that were in the reveal mega dimension trailer or base ZA

https://x.com/i/status/2011076799699075367

Serebii.net (@SerebiiNet)

Serebii Update: Official artwork of Mega Starmie, Mega Dragonite, Mega Meganium & Mega Feraligatr

https://t.co/NWlAdn57aQ

X · Jan 13, 2026, 2:04 PM

https://x.com/i/status/2011076643503444010

Serebii.net (@SerebiiNet)

Serebii Update: Official artwork of Mega Raichu X, Mega Raichu Y, Mega Clefable & Mega Victreebel

https://t.co/NWlAdn5F0o

X · Jan 13, 2026, 2:03 PM

https://x.com/i/status/2011076209120367023

Serebii.net (@SerebiiNet)

Serebii Picture: Official artwork of Jacinthe, Grisham, Griselle and L has been released

https://t.co/NWlAdn5F0o

X · Jan 13, 2026, 2:01 PM

[unborn pewter]

well yeah I figured but I wanna see 'em

[little nacelle]

https://fxtwitter.com/i/status/2011076078606209508

Serebii.net (@SerebiiNet)

Serebii Picture: Official artwork of Tarragon, Ivor, Gwynn & Lebanne has been released
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Serebii.net (@SerebiiNet)

Serebii Update: Official artwork of Mega Emboar, Mega Excadrill, Mega Scolipede & Mega Scrafty
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Serebii Update: Official artwork of Floette (Eternal Flower), Mega Floette, Mega Malamar and Mega Barbaracle
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FxTwitter · Jan 13, 2026, 2:07 PM

Can't show the others since they contain dlc megas but

[unborn pewter]

I love how Mega Starmie is shaded

looks like the old gen 1 art

[little nacelle]

That's not its shading.

It's genuinely oiled up to put it like that

[ocean vapor]

😭 god I hate mega starmie it's such a fucking freak

[little nacelle]

Mega starmie is odd yeah

BUT LIKE LOOK AT MY BABY

[unborn pewter]

Mega ||Chimecho|| my son,,

[little nacelle]

Spoiler that

[quiet frost]

why have i seen so much hate on my girl clefable ... she's just a girl leave her alone

[ocean vapor]

On God what she do

[quiet frost]

ive just seen so many videos and stuff where they try to make arguments that she's "poorly designed" even though she's literally exactly what a clefable mega should be

also the key art for the raichus looks... a little half baked ngl

[scenic fable]

Love Scolipedes mega artwork sm. (Feraligatr on the other hand, their face is incorrect. Looks nothing like that in game)

[lime void]

Because Gen 1 has gotten way too much special attention, so we shouldn’t have gotten any Gen 1 megas

[robust wren]

Starmie deserved a Mega given its past as a long time OU mon that fell off, but it deserved to have the Mega have some effort put into the design instead of just stretching the model

[lime void]

I don’t think it should’ve gotten a mega even if it had a good design, but the fact they put 0 effort into it makes it 10 times worse

[robust wren]

Can't wait for the official Mega Feraligatr art to drop of it with its hood up, therefore meaning it will never beat the toilet seat allegations

[ocean vapor]

It's out.. And the hood is up

[lime void]

And I can’t wait for people to see a real toilet seat and realize that mega Feraligatr looks nothing like one

[ocean vapor]

Head on it looks exactly like a toilet seat fym

Either way it looks goofy as shit

They changes nothing except for that

If his idle had it half way down or sumn like in the TCG art it would be better

But I feel like gamefreak forgot what mega evolution means when it comes to design

It's that pokemon but MORE

[robust wren]

||Bro looks even more like he blasts Linkin Park 24/7||

||I genuinely don't think it's possible to make an edgier Pokémon design than Absol Z, and I kinda love it for that||

[ocean vapor]

Fr

I like the edgy ones, I see why they aren't the fave of everyone but

If it's edgy it's undeniably cool I'm SORRY it's just a fact

[robust wren]

I thought Mega Clefable just had floppy doggy ears, but no... they're tubes... 🤮

That alone knocks this design down a tier in my list

[ocean vapor]

Yeah the tubes were a.... Choice

Shrek

[vernal anchor]

It’s ears my friend

[ocean vapor]

I would've liked a more celestial theme tho

[robust wren]

Ugly ears

[ocean vapor]

Ugly ears with tube

[vernal anchor]

But effective

[ocean vapor]

Rubs my ear tubes on you

[vernal anchor]

[ocean vapor]

WHY ARE U BLUSHING BRO

[vernal anchor]

WDYM BLUSHING

[ocean vapor]

THATS BLUSH

HIS CHEEKS ARE RED

[vernal anchor]

It’s visible disgust

[vernal anchor]

What you call “red cheeks” isn’t even on the cheeks

[ocean vapor]

Well wtv

You disgusted so ear tubes are bad

[little nacelle]

One of the watchog moments

[charred sage]

Audino Moment

[ocean vapor]

Those are feelers not tubes >:( closer to whiskers than ears

[charred sage]

close enough lol

[desert current]

Its based on the Starmen from "Warning from Space" an old Japanese film. Referencing the "Starman" is a common trope in Japanese culture.

As I heard someone describe it before "Mega Starmie is the punchline of a joke we were never told."

[ocean vapor]

I get that but they could either make the reference easier to understand or at least embellish the rest of starmie

All they did was stretch him out

Give him hair or sumn humans have that

Some shitty clothes?

Like SOMETHING

[desert current]

You're... You're kidding, right?

Your solution is to give it human hair and clothes?

Its a Pokemon. 💀

Literally part of the joke is that they just look like people in costume. It's intentional.

[charred sage]

does kinda come across as "didn't get the reference, your opinion isn't valid"

[desert current]

I didn't get the reference at first.

But now that I know the flippin design inspiration I can actually appreciate what they were trying to do

instead of saying "ew Mega Starmie bad" like everyone else

Like, yeah, your opinion IS invalid, because its FUNNY. /j

People would rather Starmie just get more spikes like every other Mega. :/

I like the silly guy, okay?

https://tenor.com/view/mega-starmie-starmie-legends-za-dancing-gif-13026108376750065853

Picture it like this... If they went and made a Pokemon based on the Xenomorph (from alien) or R2D2 (from Star Wars), nobody would bat an eye. People might even like them.

Nobody would say "erm what's with the eggplant head?" or "its just a trash can" because they would get the reference. The only reason people don't get Mega Starmie is because its only really a thing in Japanese Culture.

[desert current]

That's still entirely subjective.

I hated Mega Starmie at first, but its really grown on me since (hence why I defend it).

And all GameFreak had to freaking do is put the stupid hood down. That's the ONLY thing making Feraligatr look bad.

I hate Gholdengo, personally (because of what he represents), but a lot of people like the string cheese man.

Just forget it...

This is a waste of time.

[unborn elm]

https://tenor.com/view/death-battle-bowser-vs-eggman-neo-metal-sonic-thumbs-up-death-egg-robot-gif-14622859654061565717

[ocean vapor]

Again I get the reference but also... This... This is pokemon 😭 it's a niche reference

[charred sage]

"this is a waste of time" sums up basically anything that involves clashing opinions, especially when it comes to fandoms

[ocean vapor]

Not only that, but again, they could've embellished it a LITTLE

Ok I'll see myself out then lol

✌️

[hidden topaz]

What does Gholdengho represent?

[desert current]

Its dex number 1000, and its body is literally made of money. Basically its GameFreak flexing their success, and they gave it a ton of benefits because of it.

Good As Gold ignores status moves, it has a really good type in Steel/Ghost, and a signature 120 power spread move where the only downside is a single Sp. Atk drop.

Its basically a GameFreak Nepo Baby.

[hidden topaz]

Ohhhhhhhhh

Ok

Sorry I'm an idiot when it comes to hidden meanings

[charred sage]

yea basically 1k mon celebration

hence why it (and baxcalibur for some reason?) are in the dex after most of the paradox mons

[wicked solstice]

gholdengo was basically perfectly engineered to ruin every single battle player's day

good as gold makes it immune to defog, steel makes it immune to mortal spin, and ghost makes it immune to rapid spin

and it can run air balloon to completely wall great tusk

[charred sage]

basically like "why yall still playing singles, 4v4 doubles is the only format"

[vocal charm]

had a shiny patrat skedaddle on me
welp

[velvet forum]

skedaddle is a funny word

[jade ocean]

Idk though a lot of 4v4 Doubles players seem to complain a shitton about balance too

I highly doubt Gamefreak is really thinking much about balance at all

[charred sage]

that too yea

very much a "single player first multiplayer... what sounds funny"

not what's fun or balanced it's more "what's funny" and "what could give the spinoff/anime writers a good bit"

[jade ocean]

I wouldn't complain about the lack of balance if there wasn't an official competitive scene

Like if VGC didn't exist at all it'd just be like

Yeah Singles isn't balanced

But they're not obligated to balance stuff for an unofficial thing

But VGC sure as hell is official and it doesn't seem to be faring much better than Singles is

[robust wren]

I just don't get why the official competitive scene is doubles when the games all center around singles. It would be like getting into a Chess tournament but you instead have to play Shogi.

[lime void]

They should at least have a tournament for each

[jade ocean]

All of the official art for the new Megas

(Includes DLC Megas btw)

I saw a few of them in this channel but not all

So uhh yeah

||Mega Zeraora's pose is no longer losing it all of the aura in the universe||

[robust wren]

||Mega Golisopod is saved so much by that pose||

[lime void]

||you can’t lose aura if you don’t have any to begin with ||

[indigo mango]

Raichu X, Starmie and Hawlucha look really strange

last 2 seem shaded differently and X feels like half of it is drawn while the tails are just photoshopped on

also while it makes sense, wish ||Dakrai Art was the Eye Form||

[jade ocean]

Apparently Mega Starmie was depicted as shiny in the anime, too

[indigo mango]

i mean i would think its shiny

but like it looks weird to depict it in the artwork

when none of the others ahve that kinda shine

[hazy knot]

wait the tails actually are photoshopped on i think

[jade ocean]

I guess the others canonically don't look shiny apart from the Mega Aura thing

[indigo mango]

for a better look. its just those tails do not look drawn

[jade ocean]

Also yeah no they really photoshopped the tails onto it lmaoooo

[hazy knot]

yeah that’s crazy 😭

[jade ocean]

I like how some of these arts are like actually cool and then we have this mf with the photoshopped tails

[odd tapir]

still hoping we get even more new megas past the gen 3 starters in ranked. i do get the complaint of having to use an online only feature to get specific megas, but as someone who has the online subscription anyway, ranking up isn't all that difficult.

[robust wren]

It's amazing how consistently dirty Mega Gatr gets done in these official arts.

[jade ocean]

It truly is

[odd tapir]

||Golisopod|| kinda needs to be in that pose or you might not even be able to tell what's different.

[lime void]

What’s even more amazing is how many people don’t know what a toilet seat looks like

[indigo mango]

the joke is that its up like a toilet seat

not that it looks like one

no toilet seat looks like a tododile jaw

feel thats obvious

[indigo mango]

i mean unless we get more megas..its kinda impossible. Baxcaliber is currently the last one left to get in ranked

[odd tapir]

hence the "even more new megas"?

[indigo mango]

yeah but specially in ranked

made me think you just meant once known, cause the starters and baxcalibur are both new megas that are gotten in ranked

seems weird to only add more via ranked

[vocal charm]

i liked what mega darkrai was going for, but goddamn do i wish it were executed better

[charred sage]

speaking of toilet seats back doing the infinite ZA royale stuff again

at least I can take all of the cards now that I have all 18 types instead of like... 8 or 9 of em across 6-7 mons

also mega darkrai is... odd for me?

direct-on I like it with head-in but from the side I don't mind the head being out since it looks like a messed up fish doing its worst chi-yu impression

my only thoughts on the art is that chimecho's looks a bit odd? it kinda looks more like an icon or something you'd see in that sense than the others do? just in terms of the actual art not the design

[robust wren]

What was intended: menacing evil floating eye
What actually happened: 🐟

[vocal charm]

i wish the chingling design was more hinted at than so overt
like how i prefer bramblin's "face" over brambleghast's

[vocal charm]

he's belly-surfing

[charred sage]

I can see that mostly because brambleghast's face looks like a lennyface

I dunno why but (I don't mind bramble but the face is a bit funky lookin)

[robust wren]

World's most sustained discussion around the Bramblin line

[indigo mango]

seems pixelated, which is probably just the fault of whoever put the images all together. tho it facing front does look weird, same with Emboar. it looks kinda chibi

[vocal charm]

bramblin - subtle eyes
brambleghast - literally has eyelashes, a nose, and a mouth

[charred sage]

yea it might be in that way

[indigo mango]

wish it didnt get pink eye on one side

[vocal charm]

that it requires both the eyes and eyelids to float (when the design doesn't appear to have any other floating elements) makes me

[robust wren]

Honestly feel like this should have been a standalone cause they were clearly struggling to think of ways to make an evo line out of a tumbleweed

[indigo mango]

i like both

[vocal charm]

if it had more floating branches, the face might be less obstrusive 🤔

[indigo mango]

and i prefer a mon having an evo or pre stage even if its a small change. i dont really care for mons with no evultion line

[vocal charm]

the one pawmo defender

[indigo mango]

i mean i dont even think it looks that similar either, seems like a standard evolution

[vocal charm]

trying to figure out exactly what i'd change to "fix" it
is it that he exchanged his arms for a straightjacket? that he's bellysurfing? that he went from angles to a chonkster?

ugh, because the thing cocooning itself and sending out nightmares because it is in pain and having that look like an evil eye is great for a concept

[charred sage]

tbh I didn't actually notice that until you pointed it out but yea one of the eyes is inverted lol

[vocal charm]

one of seeds is readier to pop!

[indigo mango]

i dont wanna think about one of its eyes constantly ready to burst

[indigo mango]

to me i would just flip it. Make the Eye Form its actual Mega and then have the head pop out when it uses an attack

[vocal charm]

some pokemon literally explode to attack

[indigo mango]

it having to burst out its eye anytime it needs to sent out energy

[robust wren]

Maybe it would help to have the head stay inside the body instead of popping out and making the design look bloated

It just looks like this with that tiny head relative to its body

[vocal charm]

gdi gdi gdi can i post a sfw page of a nsfw comic?
because i was going to make a reference to darkrai in PIF vs in ZA and i have a perfect comparison

[robust wren]

I would run the reference down with a mod first

[vocal charm]

dammit, who should i ping

[charred sage]

I do like the fact that you don't need to wait until it's day once your survey points get full

can just leave, get your fight out of the way, then go right back in with your current cards

[runic peak]

it's so peak

i love how it looks golden

[robust wren]

I don't recall it having that gold look ingame at all. Does it?

[runic peak]

It does but it's less noticeable

Hollup

[robust wren]

Huh. Don't know how I missed that

[runic peak]

Why

[vocal charm]

Darkrai in PIF: master of evil
Darkrai in ZA: scared little sadboy
clearly PIF!Darkrai was in his emo stage

[vocal charm]

so he can go chompy

[runic peak]

They just permanently ruined mega feraligatr

[runic peak]

they should have put it at a lower angle

[robust wren]

They could have at least given the inside of his flap a bit more texture

[vocal charm]

i see, i see

[runic peak]

they could have done it for the art but it's just straight up

[robust wren]

This feels like the Typhlosion's flames thing all over again but at least the flames are in the artwork

[charred sage]

I mean to be fair on PIF that was kinda just the fandom default for darkrai prior to about legends arceus or so

...mostly because of PMD time/darkness/sky

[vocal charm]

counterpoint: teen poetry

[runic peak]

and they fixed the flames later

feraligatr is stuck like this

[charred sage]

20k mission with 9/10 points on it
"dawn is approaching!"

[runic peak]

dawn is approaching:

[robust wren]

That and Pokepark were really the only times Darkrai was portrayed as evil in any official media
Unless you think it killed that one girl in the Strange House on purpose

[runic peak]

this was the first thing that i thought when i saw that text for the first time

[charred sage]

which is true but the former left such an impact on the people I saw that they generally just used darkrai as Pokemon's Default Bad (non-human) Guy until Legends put giratina in that role

whereas the main series almost always puts humans in that role (amusingly, PMD afterwards started having its bad forces be neither which main series finally did as well with ZA.)

[vocal charm]

i'm not actually familiar with those games, so i dunno how he's portrayed

[robust wren]

I remember back when Darkrai was first being teased about in regards to the Darkrai movie. The site was trying so hard to be coy about the mystery on if it was good or evil... then it just had a screenshot of it with a determined look in its eye with the designated important girl of that movie behind him and even my stupid kid brain was like "gee I sure do wonder."

[charred sage]

three challenger tickets in one night dang

pretty sure 60k of that was just from three 20k missions

[ocean vapor]

Well darkrai has NEVER been.. EVIL... He stays on an island to keep away from people coz bro dun wanna hurt em

Anyway first alpha shiny that isn't my fucking FENNEKIN

(First alpha shiny in this haul)

[vocal charm]

he coaxes us to join his evil side if we kick enough sand castles

[ocean vapor]

Okay maybe bros a bit of a TROLL...

[vocal charm]

emo edgelord phase

[ocean vapor]

He's just a teen in pif!!!!

[desert current]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-this-mf-got-them-fake-jays-gif-15620100889485359240

"this mf with the photoshopped tails"

[ocean vapor]

RAAAAH OMGGG FINAALLYLYNEHANDJWIHENSNDJW

LESSSSS FUGGGINNNN GOOOOOOOOOOO

need another tho unfor

Tunately

I want a prebby braixen (but I also wan viable delphox)

BUT YEAHSHSHAHAHAHAHAHA WOOOOO

[ocean vapor]

Another shiny fenne! Although it's not an alpha

... Third non alpha shiny fenne

If anyone wants to trade for a shiny fennekin hmu 😭🙏

[charred sage]

HECKIN

cleaning up sidequests, just had a shinalpha swirlix spawn while doing the bench one

[ocean vapor]

YOOOO

LESGO

[charred sage]

got em in the last safari ball too

[ocean vapor]

Daaaammmnnn

[robust wren]

"Lebanne is actually perfectly happy working for Jacinthe!"
Lebanne in her official art:

[lime void]

We must free her from the evil tyrant

[ocean vapor]

Guys shhh she's a maso don't out her!!!

[charred sage]

HECKIN

was not expecting that sidequest to just end with ||marshadow||

oh yea gotta reference ||the paranormal event in XY|| to ring that one out lol

just two/five misisons left

ROFL well that was an end

"man I wonder what move she's gonna use" clicks giga impact*

soignee: also clicks giga impact

so that's one more to go and three more locked behind ranks 15 and 20 in the ZA royale

[ocean vapor]

Oooo have fun with those! They are so lame to farm

[charred sage]

yea I'n at 12 wins so far I think?

at the very least I got +3 ranks in one night last time so I can probably just pull that one off two or three more times

[ocean vapor]

DAAAAMN

The luck musta been insayne

Another shiny dog

Shiny blue dawg

Anyone want a fenne 😭

[charred sage]

I'll see if I have an extra anything once I'm done with the ZA match

uuuh croconaw, barbarcle, panpour, patrat, farfetch'd, heracross, lairon, H-Sliggoo, vanillish, kangaskahn, magikarp, skiddo, aurorus, bellsprout, and feltchling are my dupe shinies

[ocean vapor]

Ooo I'd love a sliggoo!

Maybe aurorus too if you want fennekin AND houndour

Speaking of-

I caught more alpha houndour

Bottom row is alphas

[charred sage]

I should note that neither of these are alphas but that works

[ocean vapor]

No prob! I'd be trading a non-alpha fenne anyway

But I don't think I need 3 shalpha houndour 😭🙏

I'm ready when u are!

[charred sage]

ok there we go the ultimate trials done

actually lost meganium's since light screen wore off at the wrong time

emobar's wasn't too bad since solar blade and feraligatr kinda just shotgun'ed icicle spear rofl

but yea hopping online

actually while we're doing this can you help me with two trade evos?

[ocean vapor]

Ofc!

[charred sage]

code is uh

3429 2861

[ocean vapor]

Gotcha!

[charred sage]

in-game name is fxm right?

[ocean vapor]

Yup!

[charred sage]

aight

[ocean vapor]

SIGGOOO YAYAYATAYAYAYAYAYAY

[charred sage]

first the two trades then the two evos

your metal donut

[ocean vapor]

👍

My metal snail donut baby YAYAYYAYA

He/shes gold yayayshshay

WHITE BEBEEEE

[charred sage]

and now the trade evos

LOL

same idea

[ocean vapor]

Punkin 4 punkin

Actuallt have 2 now

Mine won't evo but that's fine xD

I like my caramel fluffy

[charred sage]

thank ya!

[ocean vapor]

Any other trade evos?

[charred sage]

that's good for me

[ocean vapor]

Oh ok! Np! :3

PUYPOL BAYBAY

Gonna evo my other shalphas

Yoooo he's kinda siicccckk

*she sorry I misgendered my pokemon

My beeeg dawg

Vommcano

AND BEEEEEG BOI METAGROSS

[charred sage]

ROFL seed bomb is so dumb, rip lida

just two quests left

...issue is that one one of them requires me to win 5 more ZA royals

...||and beat a certain someone four more times apparently|| after that is the True Final Boss

I would say "with levels that finally beat red's HG/SS pikachu", the three fights I've done actually already are higher than 88

(93 on lida & naveen, forgot to check on korrina but I wouldn't doubt 95-100)

for reference indigo disk had a few trainers hit 87 a wild tera lampent hitting 86 and Pecharunt tying red at 88

the former two weren't bad but the latter I had to use a focus sash for lol

probably could have skipped the sash if I used a black belt and plus'ed drain punch though since ||it notably went past the detect||

[ocean vapor]

Korinnas is 100 yeah

.. I think

[charred sage]

makes sense

but yea the only content I have left is the last 5 ZA royal levels, the sidequest that comes after that, True Final Boss, and finding a gimmighoul/gholdengo portal for a full living dex

...and maybe buying out the shops in the time it takes for that last one

I think my mega use count hasn't actually increased since the main DLC story ended so still only 3 or 4 uses total

(two forced ones, the tutorial rogue mega fight, and the sorta-maybe cutscene use at the end of the main story)

[ocean vapor]

Time for moooreee... Shiniesss.......!!!!

Hope I can get a shiny alpha onyx and tyrunt 🙏😭🙏😭🙏🙏😭🙏

[runic peak]

I was looking at mega starmie in the website pokedex and there it has a lower attack than its special attack so it's absolutely getting huge/pure power, I mean yeah this was obvious before but I was wondering if they would put the ZA stats on the site or not

[ocean vapor]

I don't think megas are being brought back outside of legends games

[runic peak]

Pokemon champions

[ocean vapor]

Wtf is that

I meant mainline man 😭

[runic peak]

Oh so

it's gonna be a battle focused game

which will have abilities and mega evolution

(and prob other gimmicks later)

https://champions.pokemon.com/en-us/

So like the za megas will get abilities

[runic peak]

It's gonna be used for competitive too later

[vocal charm]

my headcanon is that Jacinthe would let her go at any time, but Lebanne's ego won't let her take the L
she's still goes headstrong into trying to outpower Jacinthe rather than changing her strategy
-# also a secret part of her likes wearing pretty dresses and the respect that comes with having Jacinthe's name in her back pocket.

[ocean vapor]

-# and also they like each other like giwwlfweeends

[runic peak]

certified yuri

[runic peak]

ok I took more time to read that and that's actually believable

[ocean vapor]

Toxic Yuri my beloved! Close second to doomed yaoi!

[worn cobalt]

I need to get back to shiny hunting my dex. I am so close to having every mon and form shiny hunted.

[charred sage]

hmmmm

debating on making klefki physical (play rough/magnet bomb) or special (dazzling gleam/flash cannon)

[worn cobalt]

Both sets would require it to get into the fray, so idk.

For online ranked or personal play?

[charred sage]

personal play

[robust wren]

She's canonically forced to work for her until she can beat her in a fight

[worn cobalt]

Physical then. More advantages to the physical moves over the special. Flash Cannon is good, but Magnet bomb homes too, and Play rough moves into the target, while Dazzling gleam doesn't auto target as well, and is a close range aoe move.

[ocean vapor]

What is stopping her? It's either lesbianism or fae magic

[robust wren]

Jacinthe zones, for one