pokemon-winds-waves

[jade ocean]

Even though the amount of shafted the Raichu line gets in terms of actually being good in battle is absurd here

And ofc basically just making Mega Raichus into half Mega Pikachus half Mega Raichus design wise is not great

That said Pichu isn't even the worst offender of this baby bullshit

Igglybuff is

Who on earth decided Igglybuff should exist

[summer flare]

mega raichu should have been "gorochu" or whatever tf people called it

[jade ocean]

Why doesn't Wigglytuff have an Evolution instead

Wigglytuff is so unusably garbage

[summer flare]

idk wiggly feels fully evolved to me

[jade ocean]

It needed an evolution

Even in Gen 1

[indigo mango]

i replaced mine after getting malamarnite, i know its a new mega so i didnt really wanna replace it but i also didnt wanna replace anyone else, so he had to go. Just gave my Malamar Liquidation to have a water move on my team

[summer flare]

competitively sure, but it feels done design-wise

[jade ocean]

But nooo, we just HAVE to get a Pokemon whose only worth is being a marketable plushie

And if I'm gonna be honest?

Jigglypuff would make a better marketable plushie anyways

[summer flare]

tru

[jade ocean]

So it even fails at THAT

Igglybuff has 0 reason to exist

[summer flare]

designwise it could have stayed 2stage

[jade ocean]

None, nada

[summer flare]

bc again wiggly feels finished

not statwise, but visually

[jade ocean]

Magmar and Electabuzz didn't look unfinished in designs either but they got evolutions because they were dogshit

That's all I'm gonna say

[summer flare]

to me they didn't really feel finished

[jade ocean]

Scyther was also dogshit and got an evo but like

Scyther being dogshit was more so its moveset

0 STAB is crazy

[summer flare]

aren't they the same bst tho

[jade ocean]

Yup

But seriously what is Scyther's Gen 1 moveset supposed to be

[summer flare]

literally anything gen1 comes down to

[jade ocean]

I want to note that Focus Energy quarters your crit rate in this gen

And Slash, while it is basically an autocrit on Scyther, ignores all Swords Dance boosts

Gets Gen 1 Hyper Beam at least

[indigo mango]

My Malamar is so much worse then everyone else lul

[jade ocean]

Really, that's the most noteworthy move Scyther learns in Gen 1

[jade ocean]

Malamar got done so dirty by Gamefreak lmao

[lime void]

Holy type overlap Zubatman

[jade ocean]

2 weeks of propaganda for those stats is crazy

It better get like

[novel atlas]

I got my 4th shiny

[jade ocean]

As One (Simple + Contrary)

Or something

[summer flare]

oh i see the lefties lol
they never seem to proc fast enough for me, so i use shell bell

[lime void]

Malamar really should’ve gotten a regular evolution. It’s BST is under 500 and it’s highest stat is 90

[summer flare]

christ

idk how they expand on malamar, tho

[indigo mango]

yeah but i like it healing outside battle too

[summer flare]

IT DOES THAT??

[indigo mango]

ye

[jade ocean]

This is a great tragedy

[jade ocean]

Ikr?

[summer flare]

how do you propose they go abt the evo tho

[jade ocean]

Flip his ass again frfr

[indigo mango]

its got a mega tho

[summer flare]

LMAOOOOOO

[indigo mango]

it wont evolve

[lime void]

And unless they keep mega evolution around (which they really should since it’s easily the best gimmick they’ve ever made) it’s going to go right back to sucking

[jade ocean]

Yeah but it should've gotten an evo instead of this mega

[lime void]

That’s the entire issue

[jade ocean]

Especially if they were gonna make this mega's stats be so terrible lmao

Bro managed to get a worse stat improvement than Mr/Ms 20 in every stat

It's Malamover, friends

[indigo mango]

it might get an abbility to boost stats in his mega

[jade ocean]

If it did, it'd have gotten more than 100 BST

[indigo mango]

100 is how megas are done

[jade ocean]

Best we can hope for is As One (Simple + Contrary)

And maybe Psycho Boost while we're at it

[summer flare]

oh right the abilities translate into hidden boosts instead or something right

[jade ocean]

Megas Starmie and Medicham got 40 Extra Attack to make up for the lack of Huge/Pure Power

Mawile got 42 extra Attack

[indigo mango]

gotcha

[jade ocean]

Yes, Starmie is getting Huge/Pure Power

[summer flare]

GOOD FOR HIM

[jade ocean]

It's hilarious

At least, all signs point towards it

[summer flare]

how the fuck else you gonna turn him into a phys attacker LMAOOOO

[jade ocean]

They did give it a ton of physical moves

Liquidation, Aqua Jet and Zen Headbutt to name a few

While Pokemon don't always keep their Legends moves

I feel like Starmie's gonna be one that does based on the entire concept of the Mega

It also gets Bulk Up btw

[summer flare]

meganium fucking better she DESERVES better

[jade ocean]

I can also see it gaining Ice Spinner, once it's in a game where it actually exists

It has Ice moves and spins

Rapidly, even

We don't know for sure since it hasn't been in SV, the only game that has Ice Spinner so far

[summer flare]

oh i dpnt think we even have rapid spin rn

[jade ocean]

Yeah, we don't

But it's safe to assume Starmie keeps it outside of Z-A

Same with Barbaracle and Shell Smash

Which, uhh

Yeah it's getting banned to Ubers

There's no fucking way it stays in OU

[summer flare]

WE'RE SO FUCKING BARBARACK

[jade ocean]

Mega Barbaracle's actually one of my favourite Megas too, so we love to see it

[summer flare]

i thought i'd dislike it but when i saw her in persen she really scratches that funny lil guy itch

[wispy kernel]

god I really wanna know what mega barbaracle’s gonna have as an ability

[jade ocean]

The aurafarming and being able to fire a Galick Gun is neat

[summer flare]

the fact it just runs over, slaps, then skidaddles overto stare at you is peak

parental bond

[wispy kernel]

yknow what would be really funny on it

no guard

[jade ocean]

Unfortunately, idk if it'd be that amazing on it

Because y'know

[wispy kernel]

101% accurate stone edge and cross chop

[jade ocean]

Fighting Type

Close Combat

[wispy kernel]

would go kinda crazy

[summer flare]

i never used kang but do we know if the ability is kinda there

[jade ocean]

Dropping your defences by 2 stages every time you use your best STAB move is not very ideal

Though that's assuming Barb keeps CC

[wispy kernel]

ok but consider

[jade ocean]

But I mean, given how it's getting a Fighting Type Mega, I'd assume it would

[summer flare]

hes good with brick break to me

[jade ocean]

That said

THAT SAID

Mega Mewtwo X

[wispy kernel]

with no guard cross chop could go crazy

[jade ocean]

I think this is the only Fighting Type Mega remaining that doesn't have CC

Lopunny got CC in like Gen 8

So Mega Lop's basically guaranteed to have it

Same for Medicham as well iirc

And all the other Fighting Megas already had it beforehand I think

Like c'mon it won't be THAT broken

[summer flare]

they want these things to kill you to death

[jade ocean]

No Guard I'd say is more for Stone Edge

Assuming it keeps CC

Because like

[wispy kernel]

cross chop isnt too much weaker

[jade ocean]

That's the best Rock STAB in the entire game

[wispy kernel]

it is basically a fighting type stone edge

[jade ocean]

Even without No Guard

[tranquil nexus]

Mega evolution plus a terrastalization-like mechanic would make for something fun as well

[jade ocean]

And it's kinda fucking mid as hell

[tranquil nexus]

Just, keep megas around as part of Pokemon and do other gimmicks on top

[jade ocean]

But it's also the Rock STAB that benefits most off of it

Anyways, I'd be interested in either No Guard or keeping Tough Claws

Tough Claws CC at +2 with Adamant boutta blow shit the fuck up

[summer flare]

don't forget stab

[jade ocean]

Tough Claws is a pretty mega-y ability anyways

[summer flare]

nuclear barnacle

[jade ocean]

I mean both Zard X and Megagross have it

Oh, and Aero too

And they, alongside Barbaracle, were the first users of Tough Claws

It'd just feel right for it to keep Tough Claws, no?

[wispy kernel]

would be a bit lame though

for it to keep the ability

[jade ocean]

I disagree

[summer flare]

yeah give it intimidate or something i guess???

no why wouldn't it keep a great ability

[jade ocean]

Quite a few Pokemon with strong and iconic abilities keep them upon Mega Evolution

[tranquil nexus]

Totally a side thought, but when they do eeveelution megas you think they’ll do individual stones for each one, or just one eeveeite that works for all of them?

[summer flare]

eevee only

it's going to disappoint everyone

[jade ocean]

Scizor with Technician, Medicham with Pure Power, Weather setting Abilities, Blaziken with Speed Boost are all examples

And I mean with the exception of Abomasnow (L bozo) I'd say it worked out pretty well for them

Also the Lati Twins keeping Levitate

Though that's not really as impactful as the crazy fucking SpA and bulk increase

But whatever

There is definitely 1 very stupid ability kept on a Mega I would like to point out though

This bitch

REGENERATOR WAS RIGHT THERE C'MON GAMEFREAK

[worn cobalt]

I am still hunting amaura.

[wispy kernel]

it should have triage

[jade ocean]

Game is trolling you rn

[worn cobalt]

Been at it for more hours.

[wispy kernel]

would go crazy

[jade ocean]

Didn't exist yet :/

Same with Mega Gallade not having Sharpness

[worn cobalt]

I just want to move on to hunting Tyrunt.

[summer flare]

don't fossils literally have the best possible shiny odds in the game

[wispy kernel]

yeah but they should change it

[summer flare]

1/100 to be shiny and/or alpha

[jade ocean]

I can see that

Though for Gallade in particular

I see some people say that if Mega Gallade doesn't get Sharpness, that it'll be worse than base Gallade

And to them, I ask

What are you on?

[summer flare]

doesn't he get a shitload of slice moves

[wispy kernel]

yeah

honestly yeah it kinda will be

like tyranitar

[jade ocean]

Mega Gallade's far bulkier and faster

And is just like 50 times better as a Swords Dancer

[wispy kernel]

Tyranitar is better than Mega Tyranitar just cuz. It’s already so good it’s better to have an item slot

[jade ocean]

And is far better than Scarf or Band or Life Orb Gallade could ever dream to be

[jade ocean]

Also, this is false btw

[wispy kernel]

I’m talking doubles

[jade ocean]

Oh in Doubles I don't really care then

Because I don't play Doubles

[wispy kernel]

I only play doubles

[jade ocean]

I'm always talking Singles if I'm talking viability competitively because I know I don't know about Doubles

But for Singles, yeah Mega Ttar used to be viewed as worse

But then you look at Gen 7's VR in particular and witness a gargantuan gap

A rank on Mega Ttar and like, low B- on Ttar

Almost C+, even

As for Mega Gallade, I think looking at NatDex should show the gap pretty well

Mega Gallade? UUBL

Gallade? RU, and only because there's no lower tier than RU in NatDex

Anyways what are other silly Mega Abilities

Uhhh

Sand Force on Mega Chomp is pretty stupid

They should give it Sand Rush instead that'd be cool

And potentially broken but we'll overlook that for the cool factor

I'd say we should give Mega Alakazam something more than Trace but nah bro's already a war criminal anyways

Uhh

Shell Armour Slowbro

Sand Force Steelix

Yeah that's pretty much it

[lime void]

Give him Psychic surge

[jade ocean]

I'd cry

[lime void]

You almost made me spit out my drink lol

[jade ocean]

Please do not give the priority weak Psychic Type with 175 SpA, 150 Speed and Expanding Force Psychic Surge

[charred sage]

from what I remember psychic surge is already a Chaotic Evil archetype in doubles as it is even with just indeedee and armarogue rofl

[jade ocean]

Bro's tryna make an AG mon with a single ability change or something

I mean like

[charred sage]

though I'd have to imagine in 4v4 doubles those teams gotta have some form of anti-incineroar spray rofl

[jade ocean]

What do you do here

Send in Yveltal as it Nasty Plots and it hits you with a nasty Ice Beam/Focus Blast

And you can't Sucker Punch

Psychic Terrain is up

[molten rain]

isint this game sum balls

[charred sage]

rofl I got mistaken for a second the "no prirority" part applies to the target not the user

thought yveltal ignored it for a second because 'lol bird" but alakazam's grounded so yea no priority for you

[indigo mango]

||this felt weird to me. i think they should have either made it mega like raquaza so not needing a stone or make mega Florges a thing and then use a Florgesite for Floette...but Floette having its own mega stone feels really strange.||

[charred sage]

screenshots that feel threatening

[jade ocean]

||Floette Eternal is basically a fully evolved Pokemon, seeing how it has 551 BST||

[indigo mango]

||i get the logic of that..but why not have it use a Florgesite. Zygarde having its own stone to me works cause it is already a full stage mon...why would floette as a species have one if its not even fully evolved?||

[jade ocean]

||Well, the Mega Stone doesn't work on other Floette's. It's as simple as that. It's a Floettite only for Eternal Flower Floette||

[indigo mango]

yes?

[worn cobalt]

Let's Freaking Go!!!!!!!!!

[jade ocean]

||Probably because it got directly hit by the energy of countless of dead Pokemon||

||And then ate it all||

[jade ocean]

Ggs

[indigo mango]

we know this

[worn cobalt]

||as I've said before, it's the flower that mega evolves, not floette||

[jade ocean]

Also, they just didn't feel like ||making Mega Florges lmao||

[indigo mango]

i didnt ask about why it can mega or how it can mega...i just dont see why a ||floettite exists, to me it would have worked better if they just made mega florges a thing and then had floette use a Florgesite or just not have it need stone||

[jade ocean]

||It's called a Floettite because Eternalfloettite is too long||

||Like I said, it doesn't work on other Floettes||

[indigo mango]

yeah i think your not getting me

thats fine

[worn cobalt]

||it's a mega stone for the flower, not the Pokemon.||

Time to hunt alpha and (separately) shiny Tyrunt.

[jade ocean]

Good luck, may it take less time than Amaura did

[worn cobalt]

Aerodactyl was quick, so here's hoping.

[harsh oasis]

You're saying why would E.floette ||even get a mega stone right?||
Do we even know ||why pokemon have mega stones? Like where do they come from? Am I forgetting?||

[jade ocean]

||They seem to form from residual Mega Energy after beating Rogue Megas so probably from Mega Energy||

||Like some sort of specialised Mega Crystal||

[worn cobalt]

||maybe the rogue megas "taint" the pure energy, which is what creates the specialized stone||

[jade ocean]

||What is Mega Power anyways is it just like some fucked up form of life energy||

[indigo mango]

||thats mosty it yeah. the idea of mega stones existing only for fully stages mons has so far been the story. mega floette is special cause it counts as a florges already techncially. but if only full stage mons would have a mega where would a floettite come from. If they do explain how mega stones are made. maybe in the postgame then that would be fine..but not sure. i mean we atleast got the hints that AZ studied mega stones in Hoenn but thats kinda all so far||

[worn cobalt]

Still, I think we all can agree ||I had a devil of a time getting shiny Amaura. Arorus better be worth it.||

[jade ocean]

||That'd explain why there's an Eternal Floettite||

||Oh right they were also in Hoenn||

||Which seems to imply that they can form naturally as well||

[indigo mango]

a ice trainer side quests explains that mega origins are from Hoenn and AZ visited Hoenn to learn about it there

which was such a wild lore drop from just some ice trainer side quest lul

[worn cobalt]

I guess mega Ray's mega stone is a big a meteorite, so there's that.

As for why we have ||a stone called floettite, it's probably because AZ realized it mega evolved floette (really, the flower), so he called it that. Simple as that.||

[noble ice]

I caught a shiny Lairon a couple days ago, and I’ve been trying to get shiny Aron, and then I get another shiny Lairon, so if anyone wants it it’s up to grabs.

[harsh oasis]

Oh!

Me

me

me

[noble ice]

All right, sounds good

[harsh oasis]

Thank you!

I have the boi >:3

Oh, the girl actually >:3

[sturdy flower]

damn i got here too late

[worn cobalt]

I can do trades later, but I have extra shiny Falinks. I'd love to trade for extra shinies.

[light agate]

shiny hunting zone 18 drampa is certifiably very annoying

why does the drampa stop spawning after the day is a quarter over making me have to find a bench and skip to next day??? is it just for the cute sleeping furfrou????? THE ZONE IS ALREADY FULL OF FURFROU…

[harsh oasis]

To make drampa rare

I assume

[worn cobalt]

Not to self, shiny and alpha drampa are going to be a pain to get.

[light agate]

It already has just one spawn in entire game thanks Nintendo

[worn cobalt]

Is getting a tool to run macros worth it?

[dawn nebula]

"I've been at this for hours, there's no shot there isn't a shiny pokemon somewhere"
I run around on the rooftops
yep, there's a shiny fucking abra
fuck off man

[worn cobalt]

Anyone here have one?

[dawn nebula]

r u looking to afk shiny hunt?

[light agate]

I just do the normal grind and run to the despawn radius and back.

[dawn nebula]

I use an app, it's been working decently well

[worn cobalt]

Thinking about it.

[lime void]

Erm, ACTUALLY it can appear as an alpha in wild area 20 🤓

[dawn nebula]

do you have a pro controller or an android phone?

[light agate]

I’ve been hunting normal shiny not shalpha take that

[worn cobalt]

Something like that. It's by Hori. Maybe it has macros.

[dawn nebula]

I didn't want to pay for a pro controller so I just installed a joycon apk on my android phone to connect to my switch, then used an autoclicker app to have it repeatedly use the bench

I check back every now and then

gives me time to go do other stuff

just now found a shiny abra

screw this thing btw

I'm shiny hunting a female ralts

and I've gotten a shiny for weedle, shuppet, and abra, and a MALE ralts

but no female shiny ralts

[lime void]

Why female specifically?

[dawn nebula]

Gardevoir

I have a shiny male ralts

might make it a gallade

[lime void]

You can get male Gardevoir

[dawn nebula]

🤷

[light agate]

Male gardevoir totally slays, love my femboy swordsman

[dawn nebula]

true, but it'd be weird to call a male gardevoir Melinoe

[lime void]

Gallade is the swordsmen though

[light agate]

Gardevoir can still use cutting moves no?

[dawn nebula]

there's a lovely fanfic I'm reading about a female gardevoir that wants to be a swordsman like her dad, a Gallade, but as she's female she can't evolve into a gallade and so is determined to make do as a sword-wielding gardevoir

she uses a big ass spoon as her sword

like mewtwo

[lime void]

It doesn’t get any cutting moves

[harsh oasis]

That's just drampa
Even in swsh, where it is arguably the most available, it's a rare spawn in a single place and only sometimes in max raid battles. In gen 7, it's debut gen, it was either a single event, or a 10% chance in a single room in moon only

[light agate]

Could’ve sworn my male garde had psycho cut in SCVI.
he can be a swordsman in heart

[dawn nebula]

I have intentionally not spoiled myself on the megas so far

was spooked by Mega Drampa

didn't expect that

[harsh oasis]

You probably shouldn't stick around here too much if you're avoiding spoilers

[dawn nebula]

probably

[harsh oasis]

We try to cover story spoilers but I think we've largely given up trying to spoiler megas

[lime void]

Spoiler alert: every Pokémon gets a mega

[harsh oasis]

[lime void]

Honestly though, I wasn’t expecting any Pokémon past Gen 6 to get a mega since they didn’t show any Gen 7 or later Pokémon in the trailers

[light agate]

sigh

Do I actually try to be productive tomorrow or just keep hunting drampa…

[lime void]

Also kind of weird that you see mega Drampa early on, and can get the stone right after you see it, but you can’t get Drampa until you’re, what, rank C?

[harsh oasis]

Yep

[lime void]

As much as I want to tell you to keep hunting, you should probably be productive

[harsh oasis]

Mega stones are wonk as hell in this game

[light agate]

Is mega ||chesnaught|| dlc only or am I just looking for the stone in the wrong shop?

[harsh oasis]

Ranked

But

Not yet

Next season

[lime void]

Next season is ||Delphox||

And starts on the 5th

[light agate]

To be fair, im still on college hiatus, so its just one small class orientation and some artwork I owe people

[harsh oasis]

Next next season

[lime void]

Or the 6th

I don’t remember

[light agate]

Because making it available in game already isn’t good enough…

[robust wren]

I might just sack all my Season 2 fights with a weak team just to get the pity points necessary for Delphoxite

Cause I really wanna use it for a proper playthrough

[light agate]

I’m terrible at competitive by all standards.

[lime void]

Trust me: no one likes the fact that they’re locked behind ranked

[robust wren]

Except Nintendo cause more people online paying $5 a month

[lime void]

It’s not too hard to reach the necessary rank for it, at least as long as you’ve beaten the main story

Hell, you can probably do it sooner then that

[harsh oasis]

It's not difficult even if you haven't, just time consuming

I think you still get points as long as you don't just stand there and do nothing

Even if you lose

[lime void]

Now the real issue is paying the online subscription service

[light agate]

maybe I’ll consider once I finally get the shiny charm

I can only grind out one battle type at once

[sturdy flower]

you literally gotta rank once to get the delphoxite

rank Y

and greninjite has been lowered from K to S

[harsh oasis]

Oh damn

They realized it was dumb I guess

[lime void]

https://tenor.com/view/danganronpa-no-thats-wrong-makoto-naegi-gif-26672582

Delphox is rank S, Greninja is Y

[sturdy flower]

huh

well close enough

they're still considerably easier to get

[hazy knot]

I am at 846 battles.

[sturdy flower]

dude I randomly went to zone 20 and found shiny tepig, now i went back and found a shiny scrafty

these are all full odds too

what the fuck is going on

[harsh oasis]

ZA is cracked for shiny hunting

[sturdy flower]

yeah but that's too cracked

i wasn't even trying

[hazy knot]

still at one shiny personally

[sturdy flower]

i now have 35

most from trades though

[hazy knot]

oh I was about to say 😭 ive been actively looking for them but the only one I found was a random fletchling

which is why im only focusing on the charm now

[sturdy flower]

yeah that's fair

gotta get it eventually

[harsh oasis]

Three shiny litleo in wz 3

all female

[shrewd sentinel]

I need to hop back on to beat the game I got ranked rank A and got burnt out 30 hours in 3 days I used to play for longer

[harsh oasis]

You should beat it yeah

It's neat

[shrewd sentinel]

I got into infintite fusions right before release so I was hyperfixated on that but I probably will tn

[dawn nebula]

what does it fucking take to get a shiny ralts

I have gotten a shiny shuppet, a dedende, an abra, and a weedle

almost every other pokemon in the area

[indigo mango]

are you reloading the ralts area or somewhere else

[dawn nebula]

ralts area, yes

abra, shuppet, and dedende are on the roof

weedle is in a tree

If I see a shiny eevee I'm going to lose it

I actually do have a shiny ralts is the thing, I happened upon it by chance rather than hunting it specifically

I've lowkey earmarked it to be a gallade

so I want a second shiny ralts for gardevoir

[indigo mango]

First time entering the Pyroar Area for the Skarmory Quest and I find some keys

[solemn oak]

I love these little areas that are just full of pokemon that don’t hurt you

I’m also shiny hunting here

[jade ocean]

Seeing MandJTV run ||directly away from the safe spot right behind him during Core Enforcer|| is both excruciating and hilarious

Multiple times, even

[solemn oak]

I got a question

Can you bench shiny hunt the static alpha swirlix next to the 3 nouveau

I was manually hunting it for a long time, like 6 hours

Then I found out there was a bench there so I decided to afk bench hunt

These are all the phases I’ve gotten so far

I swear I have 9 different weedle line shinies

[harsh oasis]

You can yes!

[unborn elm]

Current team

As of now scolipede is the only one without a mega stone

[harsh oasis]

It's very easy when shiny hunting to forget that this is all randomness and probablility. And despite what common sense might tell you, it's not out of the ordinary to get heads 10 times in a row when flipping a coin

[solemn oak]

Yeah

[unborn elm]

It took me like 3 days to get shiny venipede

[solemn oak]

Im just making sure

Cause I’ve always been pretty lucky when it comes to my shiny

[unborn elm]

And I just stumbled upon drilbur a little after venipede

[harsh oasis]

It took me hours to get the alpha whirlipede to shine lol

I feel your pain

[unborn elm]

But Bruv

My luck comes in Bursts

Bc

I went to area 10 after the venipede

[solemn oak]

I hunted venipede for a couple hours

[unborn elm]

Shiny carvana

Area 8

[harsh oasis]

I got 2 venipede, 5 pidgeotto, and an electrike

[unborn elm]

Shiny drilbur

[harsh oasis]

Before my whirlipede

[unborn elm]

3 shinys nearly back to back

[solemn oak]

Then switched to the wild zone with whirlipede and I got it immediately

[daring finch]

Okay my strat for grinding 1k battles

wipe everyone go to the next, dont pick up cards and just keep repeating

[harsh oasis]

Yeah basically

[split burrow]

the cards help break up the boring-ness of the grind imo, just dont grab ones you cant easily do and ignore all the sneak ones

[worn cobalt]

Eh, you can grab the sneak ones if they make it more fun for you. That's the important thing, do what makes the grind fun.

[daring finch]

Tbh the cards are a time loss

[worn cobalt]

I've been focused on the shiny hunts I could have done before the shiny charm lately.

[harsh oasis]

If you're going to get cards just grab every single one

Don't waste time looking at them before picking them up

Do them if you do them

Switch if you think you're more likely to do one over the other

[sharp sluice]

You know I used to rag that PIF having different Shiny sparkle colours to denote different acquisition methods of shinies felt kinda exclusionary, but after seeing how stupidly easy they are to get in Z-A?

https://tenor.com/view/always-sunny-frank-oh-my-god-i-get-it-gif-22328165

[harsh oasis]

I do kind of wish they carried the two types of sparkles forewards from swsh

[sharp sluice]

Like, yeah, I'd definitely like a way to differentiate between the Klefki that some guy spend 17 hours doing Horde Encounters for in X/Y and the Klefki that some guy got by using a book to hold his D-Pad down and then going to work.

[sharp sluice]

It's still in the Pokemon's data so it's possible it'll come back in Wind/Waves or whatever the hell it ends up being called.

[brazen jetty]

I bet if I had ZA i would still not find shinies my shiny luck is so dogawful

[indigo mango]

Whys that

[edgy palm]

Ya know, even though she had a little screentime, Lebanne is a pretty neat character

Ugh, now to grind 41000 to get my ticket

[tranquil nexus]

how do you differentiate it from a shiny that someone genned using a hacked 3DS?

Every shiny pokemon that you see online, could have been genned. It’s trivially easy. And people absolutely lie about it.

Personally I can foresee myself getting rather salty if folks end up looking down their nose at the (extremely few) shiny pokemon that I caught legitimately in ZA, because the game makes it “too easy”.

Especially because it’ll imply that shinies caught in other games are more valuable or legitimate. Sure. Lemme just whip up a box of them.

[lime void]

As long as it’s legitimately obtained, a shiny is a shiny

[tranquil nexus]

Shiny pokemon have value to the person catching them. They have negative value otherwise, as it’ll be easier for someone to accuse you of hacking if you have a high-value shiny

[tranquil nexus]

<extemely loud correct bell>

(If you want to trade shiny pokemon with reduced risk that you’ll get a fraud, there are communities with strict rules and trust mechanisms that can help you. It’s a PITA but it’s worth it to avoid the fakes.)

(The only shinies that absolutely cannot be genned are the ones from Go that still have the “transferred from” data still showing Go in Pokemon home (as that changes to reflect the last game that the Mon was transferred out of) . But a lot of folks don’t consider Pokemon from Go legitimate in the first place so pfffffffff)

[unborn elm]

Why’s that what

?

https://tenor.com/view/veeronica-forsaken-forsaken-roblox-veeronica-forsaken-munch-gif-5545888385127418788

[edgy palm]

Okay, Froakie is genuinely the most frustrating thing to capture

[tranquil nexus]

Him and Fennekin made me almost reconsider doing a living dex

[supple fern]

What was the gaffes Rouge Mega Pokémon you faced in the game?

[harsh oasis]

gaffes?

[supple fern]

I meant to say hardest. Not sure what happened to autocorrect

[harsh oasis]

Oh, hmmm, I didn't have any trouble with any of them, but apparently that's not a common sentiment

I think Ttar was the hardest for me though

Mostly because of whatever move it uses that spams a bunch of rocks at you out of the ground

[unborn elm]

So far I’d say bannette with how fucking annoying that clone shit was

https://tenor.com/view/banette-pokemon-gif-26727839

[supple fern]

https://tenor.com/view/my-man-trust-chest-pound-brotherhood-gif-17669441

[harsh oasis]

Oh damn

True

I had forgotten about banette

Then again

I had an absol

So it wasn't hard

just annoying

[light agate]

ive been calculating my drampa shiny hunt while doing resets
it’s about 17 seconds at quickest between the seeing the spawns
however, I can only do 11 spawn resets at most before I pass the point in ZA day cycle when drampa will spawn, or about after 3 minutes and 10 seconds

when that happens, I have to take another 23 seconds exact to run to the nearest bench and skip to night > then next day

Frustsrating.

[harsh oasis]

Yeah

I remember it being 12 or 13 but maybe I'm misremembering

I tried that hunt for a bit before I had the shiny charm but gave up and haven't tried again

[light agate]

I’ve been going at it for a few hours

can’t be good for me

[harsh oasis]

Actually I should ask, what method are you doing?

I assumed the run back and forth

[light agate]

Yes. I’m running south from the lowest entrance of wild zone 19 where drampa is visible through the fence. I hit the far side of jaune street where the despawn radius is then run back.

[harsh oasis]

Yeah

Okay

Well

Godspeed soldier

[light agate]

I could theoretically fly to the zone then enter and run through entire zone, then fly again, but it doesn’t save much time and it’s higher chance of a different shiny spawning.

Plus, bench reset takes much longer that way.

[surreal belfry]

Legends za doesn’t have a buzz cut?

[supple fern]

Got my first Shalpha with no charm

[surreal belfry]

This steelix won’t stay in the ball

[lime void]

https://tenor.com/view/smg4-smg4skill-issue-skill-issue-smg4mario-smg4skill-gif-26104493

[edgy palm]

Not gonna lie, the fit from the fancy boutique looks good on my character.

[tropic igloo]

Latest shinies

[edgy palm]

Nice!

Imma go out on a limb and say you like ghosties

[tropic igloo]

I do lol

[edgy palm]

I never used to use Froslass, but that Mega...

[tropic igloo]

Ikr I'm still hunting for female shiny snorunt

[edgy palm]

I haven't gotten any shinies yet. I'll do a hunt on my next playthrough. I'm just enjoying the story and plotting a book o.o

I do want a shiny Greninja though. But Froakie is such a pain to catch

[tropic igloo]

Ikr I have alpha so far but no shiny frog yet I have so many pidgeys fletchlings and spinaraks tho that are shiny

[harsh oasis]

That mega ||dragalge|| dex entry tho... [Spoilers for Rank C]

[solar oriole]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKJ8a5-_z40

[surreal belfry]

Does speed matter anymore?

[harsh oasis]

Yes

To a point

Speed decreases your cooldowns, down to a minimum of 3 seconds

I don't remember the specifics but anywhere above a speed stat of 25 has an effect and speed stats above a certain point become completely useless unless you're using a bunch of 12s cooldown moves

You can look up a video on it that will give better answers if you want

[solar oriole]

Basically, from 45 speed and above, you lose about 0.03 seconds of cool down per point of speed, to a minimum of 3 seconds. of cd

If you have less than 45 speed, nothing changes.

[harsh oasis]

45? I thought it was 25

[empty hinge]

In my defense I was in fear of my life 😭

[solar oriole]

Pretty sure it is 45

[surreal belfry]

That’s .03 as in 3%?

[harsh oasis]

yeah, it's 25

[unborn elm]

Theres 7 s-stages?….

https://tenor.com/view/scared-child-gif-5550120584784460643

[surreal belfry]

So lightball item now is just gimmick and does nothing?

[harsh oasis]

Huh?

[solar oriole]

That's the point, I think

[unborn elm]

https://tenor.com/view/bite-of-87-was-that-the-bite-of-87-fnaf-markiplier-gif-4088330124955617216

Oh god

I wouldn’t wanna be on her bad side

[harsh oasis]

Lightball boosts attack and special attack, no?

Why would it do nothing?

[unborn elm]

It does

But only for Pikachu I think

[harsh oasis]

Well yeah

Always has been

[unborn elm]

Yea

[surreal belfry]

Like I said just gimmick

[unborn elm]

So it kinda is useless if your not gonna use pikachu

Ngl yo

Fighting in this game starting to get boring

[harsh oasis]

You said "now is just gimmick" implying it was ever anythign but

[unborn elm]

I’m just one shotting everything

Even if I’m around the same lvl

Might stop switching and using heals to make it somewhat harder

[harsh oasis]

The wonders of modern pokemon

[unborn elm]

And tbh

With those restrictions I kinda had a hard time against ivor

[surreal belfry]

That’s basically what it’ll turn into here u just got to pay attention champions though will be full strategy per usual

[opaque osprey]

Bruh, the price difference is insane

[summer flare]

how do you think the npcs feel when i go ahead and do literally anything except go to the super important and possibly world-ending plot point

it's kinda forever night rn so i'm just doing that that requires night lol

ngl tho ||i liked the revisit to the labs, short as it is.|| replayed x/y recently enough that the whole thing was sorta the pointing dude meme for me

[marble crater]

Is anyone free to help me with some trade evos

[summer flare]

i would but forgot i needed an online subscription

for. some fucking reason

i gave nintendo 60usd just let me trade at least

[marble crater]

Ik right

[surreal belfry]

Got to be honest I think I bought every color of headphones and I don’t think I’ll wear them

[surreal belfry]

Subscription service greedy businesses man

[desert current]

This guy is biased... I for one was SO MAD at the Mega dex entries before. I'm glad they fixed them so that Mega Evolution isn't trainers torturing their Pokemon for personal benefit.

[edgy palm]

Yeah... I don't like that you can't choose how you wear them. Around the neck would look better aesthetically.

[surreal belfry]

i would if i had my hair cut but the closest i got is a fade

[edgy palm]

It seems the styles are fewer when it comes to hair as well 😅

[light agate]

two hours later with no luck
Save me.

[surreal belfry]

im still surprised they took out the buzz cut

[edgy palm]

Right?

[harsh oasis]

Gamefreak said yes to inclusivity.... And forgot to add any options that were actually interesting

[noble ice]

Boy I did it! I got shiny Aron!

Not only that, but is also an alpha shiny.

[surreal belfry]

Sweet

I’m a little mad I have to put in effort for these furfrou

[noble ice]

FINALLY!!!!!!!!

AFTER TWO WEEKS OF TRYING TO GET THIS SHINY.
I FINALLY GOT SHINY VENIPEDE!

[desert current]

https://youtu.be/fBgniInnYt4?si=27ZV30kg8lHLfHGE

[worn cobalt]

I finally managed to get shiny and (separately) alpha all three fossils, so now I'm just chilling with some Wild Area 3 AFK shiny hunt.

[opaque osprey]

Finally had the free time to complete the main story
Here’s my final team

Time to do post game stuff

[daring finch]

Nah I'd win

[dim plover]

Congrats

[wispy kernel]

Guys I just completed both of my pokedexes 🔥🔥🔥

now its just time for the rest of the shitty grind for the shiny charm

all the remaining pokemon I need to catch and 526 battles

[unborn elm]

W

Caca bug boys forever

[opaque osprey]

Took abit of time but I caught Xerneas in a Premier ball

[wispy kernel]

at least you did it with a pokemon with a decent catch rate

try catching Beldum in a Premier Ball next

[tepid moss]

And without battling it

[wispy kernel]

I actually caught a shiny beldum in a beast ball back in USUM

[opaque osprey]

Ayo, a shiny spawn just as i start Yvetal main mission

[tepid moss]

Wow. That beats my first turn timer ball (misclick) catch of deoxys in AS

[wispy kernel]

iirc even with all the set up I did the chance for catching it was around 1.79%

[wispy kernel]

ok this is it

1.699%

and here’s a picture I took shortly after catching it

though it is currently a Metagross

[harsh oasis]

XDXD

I'm replaying pokemon y

And your mom gets a letter from sycamore

And her first though is that it might be a love letter

[wispy kernel]

I also have shiny crabominable and toucannon in beast balls but Beldum is far more of a flex

[harsh oasis]

After all the theories about za protag being sycamore and xy mom's kids

[harsh oasis]

Xerneas has a catch rate of 70, that's higher than aipom, higher than pyroar, higher than goddamn wishiwashi

[wispy kernel]

isnt it 45

[harsh oasis]

Wait

It is

I just looked it up

Why did I think it was 70?

idk

Anyways, same catch rate as starters, still funny

[radiant otter]

big boy heracross

[unborn elm]

Pretty cool I guess but bois is truly our boi

And yes I will continue to glaze bois the Heracross

[unborn elm]

https://tenor.com/view/heracross-aeriel-ace-pokemon-meme-beetle-gif-14978352262038635149

[unborn elm]

YEAAAAAAA

https://tenor.com/view/dunk-gif-21755298

[unborn elm]

https://tenor.com/view/light-weight-lifting-ronny-coleman-gif-14747498

[wispy kernel]

Bois more like GOAT

[unborn elm]

No one give a fuck that bois is supposed to be a French word or sum shit

HE IS A BOI

OUR BOIS

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pokémon-heracross-bugs-tree-sap-gif-12292907091821084396

[solemn oak]

I’ve had this question nagging at me ever since I played za

What exactly is mega evolution

I mean yes it’s just a big burst of energy that goes into your pokemon making them strong right

But what are mega pokemon to their regular versions

For a little bit I thought maybe they were prehistoric versions of them similar to paradox pokemon

Considering how similar roaring moon is to mega salamence

But that just didn’t make sense since there are mega x and y pokemon like Charizard and mewtwo

So maybe they’re a variant of paradox pokemon

Now hear. Me out

[wispy kernel]

no

just no

[solemn oak]

Hear me out

[wispy kernel]

not on that

[solemn oak]

In the book it says that paradox pokemon were from alternate timelines right

[wispy kernel]

paradox pokemon arent real. they were never real and only exist because of the professor’s machine. they’re called paradoxes for a reaosn. they shouldnt exist

[solemn oak]

Yeah I know

They came from the machine

[wispy kernel]

I still doubt the timeline thing

[radiant otter]

understandable that heracross was the greatest early/mid game carry ever

[wispy kernel]

I still personally believe in the theory that the paradoxes were created by the professor’s own imagination of them along with the machine

[solemn oak]

That’s what I’m saying

[wispy kernel]

ok then

then how would megas be related to them

[solemn oak]

And this stems from mega starmie

Starmie was made for water

That’s not deniable

But people kept using it on land for battles

So it had to walk

Hence mega starmie gains appendages

Maybe mega evolution comes from both the trainers and the Pokémon’s imagination

A theoretical evolution

Stemming from both their minds

[opaque osprey]

Hear me out.
Personally, I feel like Mega Evoluton is like a Pokémon that really wants to do their very best for their trainer so they use Infinite energy/Mega power to make themselves even stronger

But because infinite energy is too powerful, there’s side effects that affect their bodies and minds such as Mega Scizor, Mega Houndoom

[solemn oak]

That could also be a possibility

[opaque osprey]

TLDR: Mega Pokémon are Anime protagonist that believe in the power of friendship

[solemn oak]

My theory really comes from the weirder megas that aren’t just make this thing more powerful

Another example for my theory would be mega kangeskhan

As a mother they want their child to grow up big and strong

And the trainer wants the kangeskhan to be big and strong

So in turn the baby gets bigger and stronger to help kangeskhan

[harsh oasis]

Mega starmie's dex entry gives you an explanation for why it looks like that "Its movements have become more humanlike. Whether it's simply trying to communicate or wants to supplant humanity is unclear."

Mega Pokemon are just shoving lots and lots of energy at a pokemon, causing it to change. Usually in favour of the things it was already best at, sometimes just generically making them stronger, sometimes (basically only in aerodactyls case) bringing out dormant dna

Starmie was already an alien, it's now more alien, and looks like starman, for fun

[worn cobalt]

Here's a fun thought: some megas could be what both of you think (intense energy, felt feelings, etc). Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire Delta episode makes clear each game (not just each version, but like, each cartridge, download, etc), is it's own universe within a grand Pokemon Multiverse, and that we cross the boundaries of time and space to enjoy these creatures. So maybe it is a little bit of both, depending on which "game" or "universe" we look at.

[dapper nymph]

Hey, what does a Shiny Mareep look like? I got a quest asking for one.

[tepid moss]

It's pink

[worn cobalt]

You'll know it when you see it.

There's a cut scene when you find it.

[dapper nymph]

Do I get to capture and keep the Shiny Mareep?

[radiant otter]

yes

[worn cobalt]

Unless you really don't want to.

[unborn elm]

https://tenor.com/view/mareep-pokemon-shiny-falywal-pokemon-z-a-gif-683200060340217021

[worn cobalt]

rn I'm auto benching to try and shiny hunt a dratini.

wanna shiny hunt and be productive.

[unborn elm]

Hope ya get it quickly

[worn cobalt]

I tried afk-ing beldum, gave up and switched to afk-doublade/honedge at the back of the labs, and got exactly two shinies for 6 hours of teleporting. Kind of a let down.

[harsh oasis]

You might not be setting it up properly

Or you're just unlucky

Did you go spawn the pokemon on foot before teleporting? And did you make sure you could hear the cry when you teleported before afking?

[worn cobalt]

For beldum, I'm sure I did it wrong. For honedge/doublade, I didn't check how many spawns were in radius, so I possibly got max spawns for that time.

I've been afking that auto bench for a while, and I'm bored. I'mma check if we got any hits.

These are the shinies I have so far. Spinarak, Budew, litleo, fletchling, skiddo, pidgey, and 4 Falinks are available for trades. I'd prefer to trade for shinies.

[harsh oasis]

What shinies are you looking for?

[worn cobalt]

Any, all. I wanna perfect the pokedex, so get the shiny mark on every mon.

I plan on evolving the base mon shinies I have, so I can get their evos shinies.

[harsh oasis]

Hmm, I don't think I have any you're looking for then

[desert current]

Staryu's shiny is so much cooler than its evolution...

[autumn shore]

Is it possible to go out of bounds with the camera mode or is that only for taking pics?
I wanna see the world outside lumiose

[storm fog]

Man, Flygon REALLY needs a mega and Game Freak just won't do it

[dusty forum]

Alright my ass is struggling to come up with with #6
I got real problems with ground types and ghost types, but off the top of my head the only mega that resists both is fuckin pidgeot

[storm fog]

100 attack just ain't cutting it these days

[wispy kernel]

I mean I feel like you got good options against them with starmie froslass and venusaur

[dusty forum]

Ground, I suppose. Ghost, my best option is pray froslass goes first

[jade ocean]

Tbf, none of them resist Ground and out of them only Venusaur wouldn't really mind so much, with its great bulk and Giga Drain as a STAB option

And Ghost?

Uhhh, Froslass kinda just

[wispy kernel]

Thats fair

[jade ocean]

Has to go first

Or it gets blown up

Especially if it hasn't Mega Evolved yet

[wispy kernel]

Gyarados maybe?

Beats both Ground and Ghost

Immune to Ground before Mega Evolving

Pretty easy to get

[jade ocean]

And with Shadow Ball's travel time, it's not unlikely that the opponent Ghost may be able to get their own Shadow Ball out too

[dusty forum]

Gyaradps is a point

Of all the things to double dip water isn't bad

[jade ocean]

Or even dodge it entirely with Phantom Force

[wispy kernel]

Falinks could also be an option

It doesnt help but it has aura

[dusty forum]

Honestly if I run gyarados I dont even particularly need starmie much

[jade ocean]

Gyarados definitely could work, though its MU vs Ghosts does need the Mega to be more than neutral at best

Well unless it's like Chandelure or something

[wispy kernel]

yeah honestly I got nothin

[jade ocean]

Heck, you could probably viably run Bounce vs the Grass/Ghosts even

Speaking of Gyarados I saw so many people getting smoked by Corbeau's

And I'm like "Wow thank god I just smoked it with Ampharos"

[wispy kernel]

bro I used ampharos and I kept missing cuz it kept spamming bounce

it was annoying asf

[dusty forum]

Tbh ever since i started running steelix ive kinda noticed that fuckin nothing beats steelix?

Like

Its kinda nuts how it's steamrolled the game since ive had it

[jade ocean]

I'd imagine no physical attacker would enjoy a 1v1 with a STEELIX

But special attackers probably could hit it hard assuming they aren't resisted

[dusty forum]

Its typing just does well into a lot of specials too

Youre only really worried about water

[wispy kernel]

fire too

[jade ocean]

Steelix does hit Fire for SE

[wispy kernel]

actually what ability does mega steelix have

[jade ocean]

But that does require you to hit the Fire first

[wispy kernel]

I dont remember

[jade ocean]

Abilities don't exist

Also, Sand Force

[wispy kernel]

oh

thats lame

[jade ocean]

It is

One of the lamest Mega Abilities for sure

[dusty forum]

Tbh I gave it +spdef-spat and maxed its hp, theres almost nothing that can oneshot it

[jade ocean]

Fair enough

[dusty forum]

So fire i usually still win between stone edge and earthquake

[jade ocean]

Feels like a Mega Aggron set ngl

[wispy kernel]

god I cant wait for champions I need Body Press Mega Aggron

[jade ocean]

Max HP and SpD with a +SpD nature?

Yeah that's very Mega Aggron-y

I suppose they do have the same Defence

[dusty forum]

Max hp and attack with a +spd nature

[jade ocean]

That's valid too

[dusty forum]

Tbh I mostly have it to hard check gardevoir players

They run thunderbolt a lot lol

[jade ocean]

I dont play PVP so I don't need to worry too much about it

[wispy kernel]

Body Press Mega Aggron + like. idk Kyogre or smth

would go crazy

[jade ocean]

Wait is this mainly for PVP or

Because if it is isn't PVP like 3 mons only

[dusty forum]

Nah you only get 3 in pvp

But

[jade ocean]

Ah ok

[dusty forum]

I am trying to cover my bases in game with my guys

[jade ocean]

Well I used 3 Fighting types on 1 team and got through without much issue so I'd say don't worry too much about it and use what you want to use

[dusty forum]

I think swapping starmie for gyarados and then slapping in skarmory works wonders tho

Those bastards need to let me bring my L:A mons in ive got so many waiting

[lime compass]

Pokemon legends za has been out for almost 3 weeks and I still haven’t gotten the shiny charm

[lime void]

That’s the issue with Pokémon Home: not only are you paying for something that used to be a feature included with the game, but you also have to wait to have access to the feature

Well, you don’t have to pay to transfer between Switch games, but you know what I mean

[supple fern]

You’re not alone. I just got to Rank C yesterday

[light agate]

5 hour of shiny hunting so far with no luck

wahoo!!

[empty hinge]

Looking back at it the best decision I ever made was trading Pikachu for bois 😭 from start to finish he’s been on my team never once has he failed me

[unborn elm]

That’s because HES THE GOAT

[unborn elm]

Well said

[empty hinge]

Had a alpha lucario that failed me a lot but. I always put in bois as a last resort bc I know if my lucario can’t finish it bois can it’s crazy bc bois has witnessed all his teammates get swapped now that I have zygarde bois is the only original teammate left

[unborn elm]

Damn

||Also I KNEW L WAS LYSANDRE BUT WHY TF HE LOOK SO OLD||

I’m praying I ain’t spoil anyone with what I just said

[tranquil nexus]

This PvP really isn’t clicking for me, I think. Since getting past the “stop here if you only want the mega stone” point, in more then half of the games I’ve been in I’ve felt absolutely bewildered.

[hazy knot]

One more battle

[tranquil nexus]

Do folks tend to actually invest in offense, or does everyone just go with defensive EVs?

[sturdy flower]

bois has been rotting in my box for ages

[harsh oasis]

How dare you ;-;

(I did the exact same thing)

[jade ocean]

My 3 best Pokemon just so happened to be the 3 fucking Fighting types I ended up using

Bois was probably the 2nd most reliable of the 3

Emboar has the power of a better secondary type and 20 levels over any of my already overleveled team members

[unborn elm]

https://tenor.com/view/lebron-angry-locked-in-playoff-bron-king-gif-10102399926830413166

[lime void]

Why would I use Bois when it doesn’t have a new mega and it overlaps with my starter

[jade ocean]

The funny thing is my team was most vulnerable to Ground, not any Fighting Type weakness

4 of my members were weak to Ground I kinda just had Bois and Greninja for that, the former doesn't hit Ground for SE and the other is a frail fuck that doesn't resist Ground

[lime void]

Oh, half my team is also weak to ground 😭

[jade ocean]

Thankfully a lot of story-relevant Ground types just so happened to be weak to Fighting

At least, it felt that way

[lime void]

Not the big one though

[jade ocean]

Yeah I had to train a full ass Froslass for that

||Bois still handled the first 2 phases though||

Realistically Abomasnow was better for that but like

[lime void]

I have a Froslass, and the stupid thing keeps spamming rock slide

[jade ocean]

Am I ever gonna use Abomasnow ever again?

No, of course not

[jade ocean]

I only remember it using Rock Slide in ||Phases 1 and 2||

Where I used Bois

He was almost dead by the end of ||the 2 phases though||

[lime void]

I don’t remember it using Rock Slide in ||phase 1||

||Phase 2 on the other hand||

[jade ocean]

Froslass also took pretty heavy damage ||to Phase 3, and I even ran out of Mega during it despite using Ice Beam, Blizzard, Dkiss and Nasty Plot with max SpA EVs, and Mega Froslass does have good SpA, Zygod's such a fucking beast||

[lime void]

||Zyguard used Rock Slide. Zyguard used Rock Slide.
Zyguard used Rock Slide.
Zyguard used Rock Slide.||

WITH NO COOLDOWN

https://tenor.com/view/gritito-gif-17274376822241272426

[jade ocean]

I managed to have both me and Bois dodge most of them

Mainly because it usually targets you

And I was spamming the shit out of attacks at it

[lime void]

Tell that to Ice Queen

[jade ocean]

So Bois was always close up dealing damage

That said he still got hit enough to almost fucking die so uhh

[lime void]

She took so many rocks to the head that I’m surprised she doesn’t have permanent brain damage

[jade ocean]

Also almost died myself a lot of times during that fight

Managed to beat it first try though

[lime void]

And the only other Mon that on my team that can learn anything that’s super effective against it is Finley the Electross

[jade ocean]

Without using healing items either because I don't use those in the middle of battles, feels too cheap

[lime void]

And guess what type it’s weak to

[jade ocean]

I see a lot of people usually use a lot of those

[jade ocean]

||Zygarde used Thousand Waves!||

[harsh oasis]

The best new mega

[harsh oasis]

Genuinely tragic what they did to electross. The whole point is to be immune to ground

[sturdy flower]

managed to overload zone 17

you're supposed to get 3 diggersby spawns and 2 chespin but i got the other way around somehow

which is huge because it triples my chances of finding a shiny or shalpha

[jade ocean]

To be fair, it'd have been kinda slaughtered by ||Zygod|| either ways

||Thousand Arrows goes brrr||

||Y'know, with how overpowered that move is, I'm surprised less people talk about it when talking about broken signature moves||

[lime void]

They should’ve had abilities in Z-A

[tranquil nexus]

I’ve found my solution. Mega metagross, power up punch, explosion

Also holy hell heavy slam just eats mega Gardevoir

[tranquil nexus]

Even if they only added levitate to the mons that get it, like they added abilities for Ageslash and Zygarde, it would make the game tonnes better

As it is, earthquake just wrecks everyone unless they fly

They should have gone the whole way and combined special attack and defense again

(That was sarcasm)

[lime void]

Good old Poe’s law

[tranquil nexus]

My fault for not putting the “/s” lol

[edgy palm]

Honestly, I'm kinda glad there aren't any abilities because the game is already nuts without them. 😅

[tranquil nexus]

Well, there are the two that I mentioned. So the game has abilities it’s just very selective

They could do that, selectively

[lime void]

I fail to see how abilities would make the game any more nuts

[edgy palm]

Imagine Mega Mawile keeping Huge Power...

[tranquil nexus]

Also Intimidate mons… doing what? If you get near them do you drop Atk or is it everyone on the field on switch in

They could add in a few

[lime void]

Probably the latter

[edgy palm]

Weather mons too...

[tranquil nexus]

Levitate, moxie, etc. Nothing crazy. Just some abilities that define the pokemon

[lime void]

Weather abilities would be funny of they switched rapid fire

[tranquil nexus]

Or if there was, like, a little storm cloud following the Mon

[edgy palm]

What I was half expecting to happen with this game was that the entire city became a battle zone, not just one part.

[lime void]

Nah, just have the weather of the entire city constantly be changing

[tranquil nexus]

How many weather setters are in the game atm?

[lime void]

Most abilities would just work the same as they do in the main series though

[tranquil nexus]

And because stat changes are just one stage of variable length, quite a few abilities wouldn’t even be that great anymore

[edgy palm]

I'm a little disappointed that didn't happen. Would have made things more interesting. What REALLY would have been fun is if they made it so you could control your mons Pokkén style

And have an actual free for all in the battle zone and not just NPC'S standing around like sitting ducks while ranged nukers get the drop on them

[lime void]

Honestly that would’ve made maneuvering your Pokémon easier, especially for the rouge mega fights

[tranquil nexus]

Hopefully the next Legends game gives us the real-time battle system that everyone actually wanted lol

[noble ice]

Quick question for you guys.
What’s a Pokémon from each gen do you guys think that should’ve gotten a Mega?

[tranquil nexus]

Gen 3- Luvdisc

[edgy palm]

Right? The Rogue Mega battles would have been so much better

[tranquil nexus]

Gen 2ish- Dudunsparce

[edgy palm]

Gen 3 Flygon

[tranquil nexus]

(I think that the shit-tier mons should all get megas)

[edgy palm]

It's too popular NOT to give it one

[edgy palm]

I second this as well

[tranquil nexus]

Serious answer- gen 2: they should have given Ledian another stage, and then given that stage a mega

[edgy palm]

To add to Flygon... Make. It. Bug/Dragon. We don't have that yet!

[noble ice]

I’m kind of interested of what they would’ve done if they gave Mimikyu and Alcremie a Mega form.

[tranquil nexus]

Mimikyu would have the same pika costume, but it would be covering the head of a massive muscular shadow body

The dugtreo meme one

Gen 5- both Sawk and Throh

[lime void]

Gen 1: nothing, we’ve already had way too much Gen 1 pandering
Gen 2: Slowking (since Slowbro has a mega)
Gen 3: Flygon
Gen 4: Roserade
Gen 5: Haxorus
Gen 6: Gogoat
Gen 7: Primarina (have all 3 starters from different Gens like in Arceus)
Gen 8: Klevor (since Scizor has a mega)
Gen 9: Tinkaton

[tranquil nexus]

Tinkaton mega would break the game. I dunno if I’m joking

I would love it

[lime void]

Sawk and Throh should get regular evolutions

[noble ice]

Or maybe a pre-evolution Pokémon that turns Sawk and Throh into a split evolution

[lime void]

Why not both?

[tranquil nexus]

Or, they could have a new evolution type that is a reverse Shedinja

Metagross’ Pokédex entries already hint at it

Imagine needing 8 Belldum to get a Metagross

[lime void]

You’d need 4 to get a Metagross

Then 4 more to mega evolve it

[tranquil nexus]

Yes, sorry

And three magnemite to get a Magneton

[indigo mango]

lul it is shown via a sidequest in ZA

a guy caught 4 Beldum, if you visit him later he has 2 Metang

and then later again he has 1 Metagross

[sturdy flower]

mega metagross is 2 metagross

[lime void]

And Metagross is 4 Beldum

[sturdy flower]

yes

mega metagross is 8 beldums or 4 metangs

[lime void]

(Though actually Metagross is just 1 Beldum that evolved)

[hazy knot]

finally got the shiny charm

[tranquil nexus]

Don’t lose heart after not finding any for the first day, it actually does work eventually lol

[hazy knot]

I have 63 hours playtime with only one shiny, I doubt it can get much worse than that

[edgy palm]

I agree with the Kleavor and while we're at it, Scyther too. They all have the same base stat total after all...

[hazy knot]

BRO I INSTANTLY FOUND A SHINY AMPHAROS 😭

[jade ocean]

Unfortunately it's literally in the lore that NFEs cannot Mega Evolve

[hazy knot]

Alpha too

[lime void]

Scyther can’t mega evolve, it’s not a fully evolved Pokémon

[jade ocean]

Neat

It being shiny and only shiny would've been kinda unfortunate given how you get one for free but also being an Alpha is cool

[hazy knot]

yup

got it in a love ball

can’t believed I played for over 50 hours with no shinies just to instantly find one with the charm lol

[lime void]

Reminds me of Mandjtv’s first playthrough of Pokémon Scarlet

[jade ocean]

Gen 1: I want to say Vileplume, since its counterpart Victreebel has a Mega, but Bellossom complicates things. I'd rather Fearow get an evo... so idk, Butterfree? Beedrill has a Mega, so why not it? It's a Pokemon that struggles hard, too. Main issue is mainly just me finding Butterfree to be the most meh butterfly mon in design
Gen 2: Slowking, because Mega Slowbro exists
Gen 3: Generally, I'd prefer to give Megas to Pokemon that are at the end of a 3 stage line and poor competitively, which eliminates a lot of things like Tropius, Volbeat/Illumise etc. There is 1 that does fit these criteria to a tee, though. I vote Walrein.
Gen 4: Tons of good options here, like Electivire and Magmortar. However, those 2 are a pair, so I'm opting for Dusknoir.
Gen 5: Fuck logic, I'm picking Gigalith because Gigalith's badass
Gen 6: Genuinely can't pick between Goodra, whose direct competition (one that was outcompeting it) got a Mega evolution, or Clawitzer, whose counterpart (the same Pokemon outcompeting Goodra) got a Mega Evolution. Can I just... pick both?
Gen 7: Turtonator, since its counterpart got a Mega.
Gen 8: Kleavor, since Scizor has a Mega
Gen 9: Tough call... almost none of the Pokemon here meet the criteria, either being good/great, being able to evolve once more or both. It's mostly between Pawmot and Arboliva. I think I'm leaning towards the latter, due to not being connected to any other Pokemon like Pawmot is to the Pika Clones.

[indigo mango]

i have 3 and heard a 4th birb that flew away

[lime void]

Butterfree already got a G-max form, that’s why not

[jade ocean]

OK but like Gmax is ass so I don't care

I care about it only slightly more than I do with Babies

[indigo mango]

none i shiny hunted for, they just appeared and it kinda shows how much easier shinys are in there

[lime void]

Still counts as special treatment, so it doesn’t need anything else

[jade ocean]

Gmax is so identical with Dmax it doesn't feel like anything special to me

The Pokemon gains nearly 0 benefits over Dmax

Sometimes (though not for Butterfree at least), it's even a downgrade

[tranquil nexus]

Mega Ursuluna would be interesting

[jade ocean]

Gmax was, to put it lightly, a massive failure

[lime void]

Honestly, it’s also too soon for Ursaluna, since it was special attention for the Ursaring line

[jade ocean]

Like c'mon at least give them slightly higher stats to make them not feel as unimportant

Like +50 or something idk man

Ngl I love Dragalge and its Mega

[tranquil nexus]

To put it properly, it was a total fiasco that did every bad thing that critics said about megas and none of the good things

[jade ocean]

But the existence of its Mega is so rude to like, 2 other Gen 6 mons

One being the supposed "Pseudo Legendary"

But considering how good Goodra is, I'm not so sure it lives up to the term

The term implies a Pokemon strong enough to get mistaken for a legendary

... Well, I suppose if the Legendary is like, Glastrier or something, it's plausible

[tranquil nexus]

Unfortunately, some fans will send death threats to your house if you imply that it means anything other then the very specific definition that the community seems to have decided upon

[jade ocean]

But it's not exactly flattering to be compared to a slow bulky ice type

[lime void]

What’s the other?

[jade ocean]

Clawitzer

Y'know the literal counterpart to Dragalge

That one

[lime void]

NGL, I didn’t even know they were counterparts

Plus Clawitzer is very forgettable

But hey, it could always get a mega in the DLC

[jade ocean]

If it's forgettable for you that's probably a sign it needs a Mega

[tranquil nexus]

Mega Diggersby would be fun

[lime void]

Diggersby should get a regular evo

[unborn elm]

Mega haxorus

That’s all I’m saying

[jade ocean]

Diggersby is unironically not in a major need for an evo

And an evolution could very well destroy OU

Huge Power is so fucking strong

[unborn elm]

Hey Latios what happened to yo username

[wispy kernel]

give me mega crawdaunt or give me death

[unborn elm]

Did you change it?

Wait

Hear me out

Mega clawizter

[jade ocean]

It was always Legenddragon800 I just made it Latios for the bit in this server for a while

[lime void]

So then just don’t give the evo huge power

[unborn elm]

Ight

[jade ocean]

Then it'd just be infinitely worse than Diggersby

[lime void]

Or keep it’s attack stat the same

[jade ocean]

Unless it gets the world's biggest stat boosts known to man

I just don't think there's a way to make Diggersby's Evo not absurd

Or just worse

It's one or the other

[unborn elm]

WAIT HEAR ME OUT

HEAR ME OUT

[jade ocean]

I could see a Mega being somewhat less crazy since it can't hold an item

[lime void]

Yada yada regular evolution

[unborn elm]

mega infernape🔥🔥🔥🔥

https://tenor.com/view/infernape-blaze-infernape-blaze-pokemon-infernape-pokemon-blaze-gif-24955252

[jade ocean]

But I think I'd rather bide my time until it actually becomes weak

[robust wren]

Even bigger gun

[jade ocean]

And then give it an evo

Now tbf Huge Power is a HA

[unborn elm]

Wait guys

[jade ocean]

But I care more about competitive than playthroughs

[unborn elm]

Mega starmie gets 140 base points

[jade ocean]

Yes yes we know

[unborn elm]

Does that mean it could have pure power or huge power???

[jade ocean]

It loses 40 attack

Gains Pure Power

All that shit

[unborn elm]

zamn

Kool