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jade ocean
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Then they get like 40% extra Attack

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Not 40, 40%

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Mawile gets like 42 extra Attack for example

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But the other 2 do only get 40 Attack

spare roost
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I think there is some fun to be had by picking 100 random mons and balancing a metagame around them

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shift around learnsets, abilities, stats

rustic rapids
spare roost
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just, in this 100-mon metagame, Plusle is a top tier support with its ability to have access to both screen (most other mons only have one or the other) alongside nuzzle and other support moves

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cause like, i remember Season 1 of SwSh before DLCs, Seismitoad was a top contender in OU

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then the dlc happened and dropped them all the way back down to RU iirc

jade ocean
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Seismitoad was the best answer to Dracovish

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Who was a ridiculously broken Pokemon

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So it was banned

charred sage
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yea seismitoad had water absorb + stealth rock + something gastro didn't

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in the era of "resistances are irrelevant, water immunity or you're dead"

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I forget how long it was but I remember seeing talk about using flareon to check clefable during gen 8's really early days (didn't go anywhere from what I recall but the fact that it was even considered is nutty)

grim cloud
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I just dont get the hate for ZA

fair fox
# grim cloud I just dont get the hate for ZA

I dont hate it. Graphics and small details are just a big thing for me. Like if I play an FPS that doesnt have good reload animations its hard for me to play. I know it sounds dumb and I cant really explain it well. I would just enjoy the game more if I saw those extra little details. Im going to beat it regardless.

grim cloud
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But i think i liked it because of the ending

fair fox
# grim cloud I get it

I think its one of my autism hyperfixations. I watch videos of reload animations alot on youtube. I am enjying the story. I never playe the games where mega evolution was introduced so its interesting for me.

robust wren
grim cloud
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My favorite parts were
Jacinthe battle theme
The ending ||(from the battle with Taunie to AZ’s death)||
Corbeau and the Rust Cyndicate

fair fox
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IM going to refrain from that spoiler. im only rank e right now

fickle birch
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I feel like I've heard people say this about a lot of the new Megas. 😮

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They're good, but the Megas don't benefit them any more than a Choice Item, Life Orb, Assault Vest or whatever else. 😅

charred sage
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while some of them are lost causes unless they get something at Masters EX levels of absurd of like 3-4 abilities in one (Victreebel, Malamar) a lot of megas are made and broken off their abilities and with one (possible) exception we don't know those yet

fickle birch
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True, you're right that abilities do a lot of the heavy lifting. Kangaskhan without Parental Bond feels wrong. 😅

plucky escarp
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yeah the kanto starters too, mega pinsir

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plenty need their abilities to function well

harsh oasis
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Having all your moves be plus is a good benefit to megas. Especially since it soaks through protect et al. Not sure if that's actually better than just using regular plus moves with better items though

plucky escarp
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thats reasonable tbf

sweet crag
harsh oasis
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Look at his feet

round halo
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Nah trust

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He's got aura he wont

plucky escarp
round halo
plucky escarp
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just because its comically large, no other reason

plucky escarp
round halo
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I'll definitely be getting a shiny one for my post game so

plucky escarp
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so shalpha dino 1/819200 Quagless

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-# shiny charm doesnt effect fossils either

round halo
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Yeah that's so bad ngl

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But it's pretty easy to shiny hunt

plucky escarp
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very

round halo
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It's just spam a then reset

plucky escarp
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just time and 600k of money

round halo
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For fossils I mean

round halo
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My cards so far

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I wish you could print them and give them to other players like in swsh

plucky escarp
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i only took one, but its end game spoiler so no showing here rn
-# and i dont have my switch handy

round halo
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Fair lol

harsh oasis
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I would make this my royal pic but it would feel... Wrong [Reminder that it's end game spoilers so don't look if you're not ready]

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Lemme find my current one

plucky escarp
harsh oasis
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Ohh that's pretty good, I missed that opportunity. I got these though. A story in two parts lol

plucky escarp
tepid moss
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Woah, those are are cool

dim plover
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sad i dont have a picture with the tower ||pre-ange floette|| i only have one with ||post-ange floette||

plucky escarp
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Is mine atm

harsh oasis
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I wish I messed with the camera more. Especially in one-time scenes

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There's all sorts of good photos to be had

plucky escarp
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truth

lime compass
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I swear I’m the only one who doesn’t know how to send screenshots from my switch to my phone/computer

harsh oasis
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It's kinda involved for largely no reason

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You go to your album on switch

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And you can select images to send either in bulk or just one

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Then it gives you a qr code which you scan with your phone camera app

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And that connects you to the switch

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And then it gives you another qr

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Which opens a webpage

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Which you can download your images from

lime compass
harsh oasis
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This is still my league image, I need to update it

lime compass
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This is my league image

plucky escarp
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you can automate the sending from the switch to the app

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settings on the switch somewhere

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then i just send them to discord from the app via share

harsh oasis
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And some nice images. [Spoilers for Rank C]

harsh oasis
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I gotta do that

harsh oasis
grizzled sierra
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Can i post my first shiny here?

harsh oasis
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Of course!

grizzled sierra
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Its a mega too but an og one

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I was in one of the wild zones trying to get an alpha trevanant and this little pink ass got in the way 😅 didnt get the alpha but got this guy

harsh oasis
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Ooo

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Pink!

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I like your outfit btw

grizzled sierra
tepid moss
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Here's my league photo

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I think I took a good one

harsh oasis
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Amazing

tepid moss
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That's the one alpha mon on my team, btw. He's so big

harsh oasis
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Fr

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I love how big some of the alphas are

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The comparison between my alpha scolipede and [Rank C]||Corbeau's scolipede|| is so funny to me

opal gull
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I had a shiny non alpha

scarlet bear
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Just reached the credits. One of the best endgames of the pokemon franchise

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Me and bestie at the ||end of the world||

harsh oasis
charred sage
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it's not quite direct but I recall on switch one you can send pics or clips to your phone via QR code?

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Switch 2 might have added clips for that but screenshots I know you could

harsh oasis
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Yeah you totally can

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But it's a long annoying process

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Apparently on switch 2 you can just take em from the app

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Which would be great

tepid moss
harsh oasis
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This is true

willow kelp
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Anyone else having a lot of trouble shiny hunting gastly?

lament surge
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Any idea what should be my last pokemon on the team? I got feraligatr ampharos charizard lucario and abomasnow

tepid moss
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Hmmmmm... Victreebell

lament surge
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I alr got a Grass type

willow kelp
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Gengar? Or Alakazam

tepid moss
lament surge
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I was thinking of adding a ground type

tepid moss
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Krookodile?

lament surge
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Yea or garchomp

tidal jolt
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FULL ODDS SHALPHA SYLVEON LETSFUCKINGGOOO LETSFUCKINGGOOO LETSFUCKINGGOOO LETSFUCKINGGOOO LETSFUCKINGGOOO LETSFUCKINGGOOO LETSFUCKINGGOOO LETSFUCKINGGOOO

willow kelp
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How much does the judge function stats matter? No clue how they work, are those the stats you improve with like proteins?

harsh oasis
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It's negligible honestly

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You can just use caps to up them if you really want (although they're rarer than they have been in games past) and vitamins too

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But it's not really important to have good stats

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not unless you wanna get really competitive

harsh oasis
willow kelp
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Won't have to stress about that when I finally find a shiny gastly then

wispy kernel
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higher they are, the higher the stat is

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They can impact stats like pretty significantly

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but also not too much

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Casually it doesnt matter

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If you wanna play competitively they do but it doesnt mean shit other than that

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You can also use bottle caps to max an IV of a pokemon if you want

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you can turn like any pokemon into a competitively viable one because of it

noble ice
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Does anyone think they could help me evolve some trade evolution Pokémon

willow kelp
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Yeah sure, have some myself that need trading

harsh oasis
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Finally allowing myself to buy red plushes now that I'm in postgame

noble ice
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Welp after finding out how trash Aegislash is in this game I’m trying to replace him by shiny hunting Hawlucha.

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So far no luck

opal gull
harsh oasis
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Oh

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Well

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Too late

charred sage
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this is late but discounting legendaries there are... ||051|| lines in the game that can't mega evolve

charred sage
noble ice
charred sage
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aaah okay

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was curious since I have aegislash normally banned but I might actually reconsider that if I ever do a ZA run

willow kelp
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Only have Espeon and Umbreon left for a complete dex I believe 🎉

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Long time ago I've ever done that

woeful carbon
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I am 80 hours in I am on mission 7 and have 2 boxes full of shiny pokemon

jade ocean
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Let me guess: Still no Shiny Male Espurr?

woeful carbon
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yep

jade ocean
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On the bright side, you could probably beat the game using only Shinies now

woeful carbon
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but I do have 3 shiny weedle 14 shiny skiddo 12 shiny pikachus 5 shiny flabebe a shiny vivillion 2 shiny litleos 1 alpha a shiny alpha fletchling 2 shiny female espurr and 9 shiny pancham

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I could run mega beedrill + gogoat + raichu + pangoro + talonflame + florges

jaunty comet
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Let me know if you dont need one of those ralts lol, I can trade either a falinks or a patrat for it

novel atlas
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I got my first shiny Venopog

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Its a skiddo lmao

hazy knot
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pls 🥺

opal gull
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though I guess traded mons get overleveled

woeful carbon
scarlet bear
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So I finished playing pokemon za, which of the post-USUM games should I play next? Chronologically it should be sword and shielf, but ratings-wise its legends arceus

charred sage
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LA is probably the closest in overall feel to ZA

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there is also the secret option of New Snap if you wanna branch out a bit tho for a spin-off

unborn elm
lavish eagle
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love the customization sm

jade ocean
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My intuition is correct, Nihil Light's 100 BP is unused code

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And since it is paired with accuracy, I am now certain that it'll be the incarnation it takes in any non Z-A game

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So stop analysing ||Mega Zygod|| in the context of Singles or VGC with Nihil Light at 200 BP

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Because I don't think there's any way that that'll stick

charred sage
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I was gonna say my thought about the 200BP but I'm pretty sure I've said it before

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where it reminds me of solarbeam getting something like a +60 or +80 buff in Lets GO before it got reverted back by sword & shield

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checks* also 200 base power there so yea I can see it doing something similar

eager cedar
hazy knot
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rip bozo Quagless

amber monolith
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||Has anyone wondered where the XY Lumiose City’s gym leader is during Legends ZA?||

robust wren
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Moreover, did Clemont have any idea on the existence of ||Ange? His gym was in the same building after all||

forest egret
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Clemont fell into his creation and became gaster

jade ocean
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"I'm C. Lemont! The Lumiose Scientist"

  • Clemont, probably (not)
robust wren
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||It's kinda funny thinking about Clemont getting a grant to set the Prism Tower up with a new lighting system, and he's getting a tour of the place like, "and this is Ange, our very own de-activated immortality beam. It's nbd, just pretend it's not there."||

dim plover
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||i feel like ange was more like the wall titans in aot, like ange was always there its just it was hidden on the interior and exterior||

opal gull
noble ice
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Anybody got any Pokémon that your shiny hunting?

noble ice
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I got him

indigo mango
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never did shiny huinting before and 2 reasons i wont in this game. A) it feels too easy so even when i got a shiny i dont think its anything special. like when i tried getting the alpha Trevenant i got a shiny thantump way ebfore even seeing the Alpha and b) you cant trade mons out of the game anyway

wispy kraken
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Got zygarde. Finished all the missions. Just going to grind matches for money and then get all the clothing and stones

daring finch
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Just not rn

lime compass
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Anyone know a place with a lot of rock types?

daring finch
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Wildzone 14 comes to mind

jade ocean
daring finch
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Onix lairon aron

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Wait is onix rock type.

lime compass
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Ok time to grind the catch rock types missionallthethings

jade ocean
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Though I feel like it's pretty rare

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On a similar scale to Gible in Zone 8

daring finch
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I mean it spawns

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Plus if youre grinding for the mission it will likely spawn in

lime compass
daring finch
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Eat it

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Beeeg gummy worm

jade ocean
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And then throw your balls at it

jade ocean
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Because that's an ethical way to capture wild animals

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OK but seriously

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I had to check the substation like

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5 different times

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To get a single onix to spawn

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All that work for a fucking Onix

daring finch
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Oh I got it first try aswell

jade ocean
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That I can't even fucking evolve

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Because it's a trade evo

daring finch
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When doing the completion thing

jade ocean
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Gible was so much worth than this shit

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Heck I'd argue even if you could evolve Onix, every single Pokemon you can find in those holes with the exception of Diggersby is better

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And Diggersby doesn't really take up the spawns for any of the others

lime compass
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Oh I just found another oneheehee

jade ocean
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Because it digs holes in an entirely different zone

jade ocean
lime compass
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Found another one

jade ocean
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Bruh

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OK maybe I'm just the least lucky person in the universe then

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I mean I've gotten murdered by RNG so unlikely the number has an E in it

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So why am I even surprised

lime compass
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Oh would you look at that I found a fourth one

jade ocean
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OK you have to be at least somewhat lucky right

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There's no fucking way I'm just that unlucky

lime compass
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I just completed the mission and I caught 7 onixheehee

wicked solstice
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guys

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I think I should probably touch some grass

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I caught all of this in a days work

plucky dune
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Gang I wish the fossils got some love when it came to megas. First of tyrantrum and arorus not having megas is sad. Second I wish you could get the old fossils and they got megas, like why does arafactyle get a mega but flippen armoldo does not or mega kabutops

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I bet if they did a mega kabutops and made it ghost rock and made it look like the missing no. one then people would use the fossil mon so much more

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I hope they bring them back as a part of the dlc like for sv’s paradox legends or I hope they bring them back as part of the online battle league and we get mega stones to correlate

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I need fossil respect

jade ocean
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The Pokemon I want to see Megas for the most are Goodra, Vileplume, Kleavor, Slowking, The Fossils (Especially the Gen 6 ones), Mantine, Turtonator and Clawitzer

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All these Pokemon struggle competitively to some degree (Kleavor and Slowking admittedly less than the others)

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And every listed Pokemon apart from Goodra and the Fossils have a direct counterpart that has a Mega

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Vileplume has Victreebel, Kleavor has Scizor, Slowking has Slowbro, Mantine has Skarmory, Turtonator has Drampa and Clawitzer has Dragalge

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Would also be nice to see the other Pseudos get a Mega but Kommo-O, Dragapult and Baxcalibur REALLY do not need one

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And Hydreigon isn't a top priority either

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||Despite that, Bax is supposedly getting a Mega in the DLC, even while being the Pseudo Legendary that needs it the least due to how strong it is||

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Kommo-O is better than all of Tyranitar, Metagross, Salamence, Hydreigon and both Goodras currently

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Putting it into the top half of Pseudos

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Goodra not having a Mega is a travesty

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Bro is so much worse than every other Pseudo Legendary it isn't even funny

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Even H-Goodra is like

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The 2nd worst Pseudo

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Though not by a lot

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Imagine being so flawed that you're both the 1st and 2nd worst of your category

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Absolutely embarrassing

wispy kernel
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they do not need them

jade ocean
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And I hate leaving shit unfinished

wispy kernel
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I guess

jade ocean
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As you can tell by the others on my wishlist for Megas

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Goodra is straight up dogshit

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And urgently needs a Mega

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Well, not dogshit but like

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It is PU

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So it does really need a Mega

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And it's a Gen 6 Pokemon

wispy kernel
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Goodra is the only one who deserves a mega tbh

jade ocean
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A very iconic one, too

wispy kernel
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the rest of them are already really good

jade ocean
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The Pseudo Legendary of the region

jade ocean
wispy kernel
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you could even have it’s mega be dragon/poison so the pseudo of XY has something against fairy types

jade ocean
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But they are certainly good

jade ocean
wispy kernel
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that is true

jade ocean
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From the exact same region, too

wispy kernel
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yeah

jade ocean
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I'd go with Dragon/Water instead

wispy kernel
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thats why I’m against normal goodra being poison

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yeah true

jade ocean
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Especially since Regenerator is a very likely ability for both Megas

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So that'd just be even more niche overlap

wispy kernel
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yeah

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I think its funny how mega dragalge’s dex entry says it basically has cancer beam. shits crazy

jade ocean
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It's so disrespectful that Gamefreak made the Pseudo Legendary of Gen 6 a specially defensive special attacking Dragon type

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And then made a non Pseudo Legendary specially defensive special attacking Dragon type

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THAT WAS BETTER

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That's just twisted

wispy kernel
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its fucked up

jade ocean
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They didn't need to do Goodra like THAT

wispy kernel
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Goodras one of my favorite guys too

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shit’s fucked

jade ocean
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I mean I prefer Dragalge over Goodra but like even I can tell this shit's fucked up

wispy kernel
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they shouldve at least made goodra physically defensive I think that’d be at least something

jade ocean
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Ngl if I were to rank all regional forms in terms of execution I'd probably rank H-Goodra at the bottom along with A-Dug

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Because like

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When are you using Goodra over H-Goodra

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The former is a strictly inferior version to the latter

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The same applies to Dugtrio and A-Dug, but in reverse

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When are you using A-Dug over Dugtrio

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Worse Speed, worse ability, not very important secondary type

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Same offences too

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Slightly bulkier but like

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It's the difference between getting OHKOd

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And getting OHKOd

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That is to say, none

indigo mango
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Wait so shes a Canari Fan and ||one of her real friends ||for awhile now and she still didn't even know what Elektross fav food is? And i am not even just talking about them being burned. She didn't even know the food itself

wicked solstice
jade ocean
wicked solstice
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wdym

jade ocean
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It just feels unfair to have one fully evolved member of the line have a Mega

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And then have the other one get nothing

wicked solstice
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slowking got a really good alt form though

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it also does better competitively

jade ocean
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Mega*

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Mainly because I view the regional forms as more of entirely seperate Pokemon from a Competitive viewpoint

wicked solstice
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and anyways

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just because a mon feels incomplete without a mega doesn't mean it needs one

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it's literally just gonna be like mega scizor and mega tyranitar anyways

jade ocean
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Base Slowking does do decently compared to the other Pokemon I listed, along with Kleavor, but I still do want them to get Megas simply because it doesn't feel fair

wicked solstice
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the same as the original form but with better stats

jade ocean
wicked solstice
jade ocean
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Where Mega Ttar is rated as better than base Ttar in every single one

wicked solstice
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it's obviously better but you're wasting a mega slot

jade ocean
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Mega Ttar being worse is quite the outdated opinion by now, and it is genuinely worth consideration for your Mega slot

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Especially in some gens where the gap between them is rather large

wicked solstice
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you can get more spef on a normal ttar too

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with assault vest

jade ocean
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Gen 7 is one of those cases if my memory serves me correct

wicked solstice
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also

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are we talking about smogon or vgc

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lol

jade ocean
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Smogon Singles

wicked solstice
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well in that case it's obviously gonna be good

jade ocean
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I do not know enough about VGC to say stuff about it

wicked solstice
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mega ttar is good in vgc but it's just better ttar

jade ocean
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And there's a big difference between VGC and Smogon Singles

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For example, Eviolite is a fraud item

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In Singles I mean

wicked solstice
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eviolite is still good in some modes

jade ocean
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I dont think there's a single case where you'd rather run a Pokemon with Eviolite over the evolution

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Though you will probably see some NFEs running Eviolite in lower tiers

wicked solstice
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eviolite gurdurr

jade ocean
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What does Conkeldurr's RandBats set look like I can't remember

wicked solstice
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probably flame orb guts tera normal facade

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smogon loves giving flame orb tera normal facade to literally anything with guts

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there's also toxic orb flareon

jade ocean
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Though I never feel like they transfer that well over to RandBats (apart from Heracross because Heracross is the GOAT)

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At least I feel like I remember Heracross feeling way better with that set than the others

wicked solstice
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heracross is just better than flareon with guts strategies ngl

jade ocean
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Mr worst Eeveelution

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Mr Guts Fire type

wicked solstice
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pretty sure it has a very similar moveset (trailblaze, facade, stab move)

jade ocean
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Gamefreak probably hates Flareon about as much as Goodra tbh

wicked solstice
jade ocean
wicked solstice
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there is jolteon which is just worse regieleki

jade ocean
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But tbh I'd lean towards Flareon

wicked solstice
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mr zero coverage

jade ocean
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Which says a lot

wicked solstice
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relies on tera to hit ground types

jade ocean
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Since Glaceon is a slow bulky Ice type

wicked solstice
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glaceon probably IS the worst

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maybe if it had higher physical defense it could've been aight in snow

jade ocean
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Maybe

wicked solstice
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with wish stall

jade ocean
wicked solstice
jade ocean
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I think it's HP that it's lacking iirc

wicked solstice
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that's leafeon

jade ocean
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OK I checked

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110 in Defence, 130 is SpA

wicked solstice
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oh

jade ocean
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110 is strong

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That said, 65 fucking HP

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Lmfao

wicked solstice
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yk

jade ocean
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This is basically Magnezone's stat spread btw

wicked solstice
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I feel like game freak actually tried their best with mega camerupt

jade ocean
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It's like extremely close

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It's like, Buzzwole vs Great Tusk close

wicked solstice
jade ocean
jade ocean
wicked solstice
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at one point people used eject button into magnet pull magnezone on corviknight

jade ocean
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Base Camerupt is one of the countless slow, frail mixed attackers of Gen 3

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Which sucks

wicked solstice
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camerupt appreciated the mixed attack though

jade ocean
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And completely wastes such a cool type

wicked solstice
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it can use overheat and earthquake

jade ocean
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Why does it have the same BST as motherfucking Basculin

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And Lumineon

jade ocean
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And it's easily worse than the former in Singles, too

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But they did try their best with the Mega, like you said

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And yknow what, it could've been worse

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Trick Room's very rare in Singles but if you actually do use it Mega Camerupt's pretty darn good there

wicked solstice
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like I genuinely feel like they couldn't have done much better than this other than maybe put the extra attack into hp instead

jade ocean
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On the opposite end is Malamar where yeah they did still try their best, but they tried their best to make it as bad as possible instead

wicked solstice
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any Mon with an s tier ability (with exceptions...) usually gets nerfed

jade ocean
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Actually just worse improvement than a Pokemon that got 20 in every stat

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💔

wicked solstice
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looking at mega charizard y and urshifu

jade ocean
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We ain't getting out of PU with this one

wicked solstice
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because water types are common in pu

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oh it's in ru now

jade ocean
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Well, unless they give it Hammer Arm, As One (Simple+Contrary) and maybe Psycho Boost for good measure

jade ocean
wicked solstice
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he's still in nubl in gen 7 though Venopog

jade ocean
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It was funny seeing Regieleki instantly fall to RU with 0 niche there after Tera was banned

wicked solstice
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also I just realised, anger point could actually be good in trick room teams

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in doubles

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hit your own camerupt with scope lens population bomb and you'll hopefully get +6 attack

jade ocean
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Bro wait why is Mega Aero natdex RUBL

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Ain't it like

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The best Mega in NatDex UU

wicked solstice
jade ocean
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Yup, no

wicked solstice
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I remember trying to use mega beedrill in natdex uu and it was literally impossible

jade ocean
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It is straight up the best non OU Mega

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(Or Ubers, or AG)

wicked solstice
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I had to build my entire team around beating aerodactyl

jade ocean
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NatDex being incomprehensible as always

wicked solstice
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so beedrill wouldn't get outsped and one shot every game

wicked solstice
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isn't mega latios really good

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it's in uubl last I checked

jade ocean
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Mega Bee when Celesteela walks into the room: (+25% from Stealth Rock chip)

jade ocean
wicked solstice
#

also mega medicham

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mega gyarafos

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gyarados

jade ocean
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Yeah I forgot to list UUBL lmao

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Best Mega in UU

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Only one that comes close is Venusaur

wicked solstice
#

mega aero is still in natdex uu

jade ocean
wicked solstice
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its only competition is gardevoir and slowbro

jade ocean
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Maybe it's a bit behind idk

wicked solstice
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mega bro is probably a big issue for aero

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big physical bulk and high special attack

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recipe for disaster

jade ocean
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Mega Bro is very much a Mega worse than the base

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No Regenerator, and it takes a Mega Slot you can use on Aerodactyl, Venusaur or Latias

wicked solstice
#

oh yeah

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loses regen

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i think it loses to aero without the extra defense though

jade ocean
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Those 3 are the 3 best Megas of the tier, too

wicked solstice
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aero always runs crunch

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you could keep it without mega

jade ocean
wicked solstice
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until aero is threatening you

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wait tapu fini is in uu now

jade ocean
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I've looked at Aerodactyl's NDUU analysis enough to know that it runs Stone Edge, Dual Wingbeat, Earthquake/Taunt/Pursuit and Roost

wicked solstice
#

ah pursuit

jade ocean
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Or alternatively, those first 3 moves and Ddance

wicked solstice
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kinda looks like a budget mega salamence

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anyways I just caught like 3 shinies in lza (it's way too easy)

jade ocean
wicked solstice
#

isn't it in ubers

jade ocean
wicked solstice
#

honestly some mons don't deserve to be in ubers

jade ocean
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Mence ain't one of the ones that don't belong

wicked solstice
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there should be an oubl tier for stuff like arceus bug and annihilape

wispy kernel
#

They made UUBers for a reason

jade ocean
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I can tell you that much

wispy kernel
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or. Ubers UU

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It is pretty much OUBL

jade ocean
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The best Mega currently ranked Ubers

wicked solstice
#

true

wispy kernel
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Look in VGC bro

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Mega Salamence was a demon

wicked solstice
#

yeah mega mence is busted

jade ocean
#

That said, it is worse in Ubers than MDiancie

wicked solstice
#

it's probably the best mega in the game

jade ocean
wispy kernel
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Kangaskhan:

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Rayquaza:

jade ocean
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But Gengar and Rayquaza far exceed it in Singles

wicked solstice
wispy kernel
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Mawile:

wispy kernel
wicked solstice
#

and yeah I forgot about ray but that's in ag anyways

jade ocean
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Those are the 2 best Singles Megas and it isn't even remotely close

wispy kernel
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Oh yeah Gengar too

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Gengar is insane

wicked solstice
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(literally can't use it unless you want to fight tera electric shedinja)

wicked solstice
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mainly because of shadow tag

jade ocean
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Or Tera Calyrex

wicked solstice
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but it's also really strong anyways

wispy kernel
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I wish they didnt take shadow tag off of chandelure

jade ocean
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Those 3 deserve special mention over the other NDAG mons

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As these 3 were quickbanned on Day 1

wispy kernel
#

Infiltrator is so much lamer than Shadow Tag

wicked solstice
#

what if proto synthesis and quark drive didn't exist

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and some of the paradox mons got better abilities

wispy kernel
#

boring

wicked solstice
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like shadow tag scream tail, intimidate or moxie roaring moon

wispy kernel
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this discussion sucks

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its always so boring

jade ocean
wicked solstice
#

flutter mane and iron bundle can burn in hell

wispy kernel
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give all of them chlorophyl and surge surfer

jade ocean
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Unless you give Flutter Mane like Dazzling

wicked solstice
#

iron bundle outspeeds and kills anything weak to it

wispy kernel
wicked solstice
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even in randbats

wispy kernel
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?tag rule3

rotund edgeBOT
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Make sure to follow the #rules!

Rule 3 DISALLOWED CONTENT: Self harm/suicide/other sensitive content. This is never just a joke, please don’t.

jade ocean
#

Mb

wispy kernel
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no thank you its so rare I get to tag something other than rule 2

wicked solstice
#

I only get to talk about rule 24

jade ocean
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What Megas do y'all want to see the most?

wispy kernel
#

at this point rule 2 should just become rule 1 considering how common of an issue it is

wicked solstice
jade ocean
wispy kernel
#

I’m a VGC player

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I still want it

#

Incin is top 10 favorites for me love that guy

wicked solstice
wispy kernel
#

and it’ll still be worse

wicked solstice
#

that would be busted though

wispy kernel
#

unless it’s ability is the sequel to intimidate it’s not gonna be better than Incineroar

wicked solstice
#

if it got higher speed and attack it could function as both a support and offense

jade ocean
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So many mons have both Moxie and Intimidate

wispy kernel
#

same reason Mega Tyranitar is never used

wicked solstice
#

until it mega evolves

wispy kernel
#

then why would you ever mega evolve it

wispy kernel
wicked solstice
#

yeah

wispy kernel
#

It’s far more important to use your mega slot for something far better like Mawile or Salamence

jade ocean
wicked solstice
#

ttar might honestly be one of the best designed mons in the franchise

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it has one of if not the worst types in the game but they saved it with a great ability, movepool, and stats

jade ocean
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Yeah no Ttar is one of the best designed mons

wicked solstice
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meanwhile they give other mons with equally horrible typing

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horrible movepool

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horrible ability

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and horrible stats

wispy kernel
#

It’s so impressive that Tyranitar still holds up

wicked solstice
#

yes I just described ledian

wispy kernel
#

almost 30 years later and he still got it

jade ocean
wicked solstice
#

we love power creep

jade ocean
wicked solstice
#

even lokix, the final form of one of the early route insects is really good in singles

jade ocean
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We still got shitters like Spidops after all

wicked solstice
#

they gave it a great ability, great offensive typing, and great movepool

wicked solstice
#

sticky web is hard to come across

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and it's competition is beautifly

jade ocean
wicked solstice
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which is just butterfree but without everything that makes butterfree good

jade ocean
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But it was still dogshit

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That's all I'm gonna say

wicked solstice
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lol

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you have to run boots

jade ocean
wicked solstice
#

oh

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forgot it's gen 2

jade ocean
#

Anyways Spidops is like

wicked solstice
#

What's your favourite bad mon

jade ocean
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The 2nd worst mon with Webs

forest egret
jade ocean
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Only ahead of Kricketune

violet pollen
wicked solstice
jade ocean
wicked solstice
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ceruledge

jade ocean
wicked solstice
#

bad defensive typing (weak to knock off and common ground or water moves)

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bad spdef which definitely doesn't help its water weakness

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has to use poltergeist which is pmuch ghost type focus blast

jade ocean
#

Except more accurate than even that

wicked solstice
jade ocean
wicked solstice
#

wow

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that makes

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no sense

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he's literally wearing a set of armour

jade ocean
wicked solstice
#

they aren't good resists though

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and because of the dark weakness you usually have to run focus sash

jade ocean
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So there's actually quite a lot of Pokemon it can set up on

wicked solstice
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which stops heavy duty boots

jade ocean
wicked solstice
#

fire when one of its abilities is flash fire

jade ocean
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We got Fire, Ice, Fairy and a Fighting immunity

wicked solstice
#

grass which is already a bad offensive type

jade ocean
wicked solstice
jade ocean
wicked solstice
#

good

jade ocean
#

May as well have Weak Armour so that if you play correctly, you can threaten a sweep

wicked solstice
#

even kyogre gets value out of primordial sea

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with the fire immunity

forest egret
wicked solstice
#

I think there's one we can agree is bad but loved

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THE WALL

jade ocean
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Immunity to Normal and resist to Steel also means that the 1st and 3rd best priority in the tier isn't stopping you

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Kingambit still screws you though

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But simply get the read correct frfr on god

wicked solstice
jade ocean
#

clicks Bitter Blade into Tera Fire

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But point is, Ceruledge is a legit OU threat

wicked solstice
#

you would love oblivion wing against a -6 blissry

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blissey

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infinite hp stealing

jade ocean
jade ocean
wicked solstice
jade ocean
#

Blissey? Dozo? Lugia? Giratina Altered?

jade ocean
wicked solstice
#

god forbid a pokemon has a special attack

#

not charmander ember anything but that!

jade ocean
#

Idk a lot of mons in that middling area of OU are very bulky, as are a lot of shit Ubers

jade ocean
#

I know in my bones

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My GOAT ain't gonna let me down

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Mega Aggron should tank too

wicked solstice
#

yeah it's a joke

#

but also

#

CHARMANDER WITH WILL O WISP?!

forest egret
#

Is Mega Aggron that bad. When I think of the question of "favourite bad pokemon" my mind wanders more to actual weak pokemon rather than just "performs poorly in competitive"

jade ocean
#

Mega Aggron doesn't even perform poorly

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Isn't it like UU or RU

wicked solstice
#

I've used it plenty of times

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it's ru

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I've swept some teams with it

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spam autotomize and body press

jade ocean
#

I'd only start to consider a Pokemon bad starting PUBL

#

Maybe NU

solar oriole
wicked solstice
#

with its 80 attack and nerfed ability

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it's good in doubles because priority tailwind

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but that's about it

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oh and it's also quad weak to stealth rock so it's forced to run heavy duty boots

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stopping it from running stuff like choice band brave bird

wispy kernel
#

guys I got a shiny pidgey

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in the exact same spot as my last shiny pidgey

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like down to being the same of the two pidgey that spawn in that one tiny spot too

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literally the same fucker

jade ocean
#

Which is evidently more than good enough for lower tiers

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Idk actually Walmart feels too not offbrand

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Uhh

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But yeah as it turns out Fire/Flying is GOATed when you have nice shoes

wicked solstice
#

yeah but look at some of the stuff in its tier

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diancie

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hisuian goodra

jade ocean
#

And Flame Body is great for punishing physical attackers

wicked solstice
#

umbreon

jade ocean
#

Talonflame isn't trying to break past Pokemon

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It's trying to wall them

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And walls don't need to check every offensive Pokemon in the tier to be good

wicked solstice
#

a lot of the mons good against talonflame are special attackers

jade ocean
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So being weak to Diancie is fine

wicked solstice
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or just non contact

jade ocean
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You swap Talonflame out of the Pokemon that can break it, simple

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Though I will say I'm not entirely sure how exactly it performs in its tier

wicked solstice
#

at that point just run anything with will o wisp

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and better bulk

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there is also entei with sacred fire

jade ocean
#

OK, looking at RU, 2 of the best Pokemon in the tier are Jirachi and Bisharp

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Which I'd imagine are Pokemon that Talonflame checks

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They also help keep Diancie mostly irrelevant

wicked solstice
#

being good against 2 mons doesn't make it good alone

jade ocean
#

Talonflame itself sits at a respectable B+ rank

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Implying it isn't anything mindblowing, but has a good place in the tier

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Other Pokemon it could handle include the likes of Wo-Chien, H-Lilligant, Registeel and Chesnaught

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And while it won't take its hits very well, Maushold using PopBomb vs Talonflame basically guarantees it will be burnt

lime compass
#

I give up on shiny hunting snorunt it’s been like 1 or 2 hours and I’m mentally not stable anymoreDespair

wicked solstice
#

meanwhile, armarouge and entei are sitting at higher tiers

jade ocean
#

For more info that actually knows about RU you should probably check the actual Smogon page

jade ocean
#

Despite having the Fire type, they don't share a niche

wicked solstice
wicked solstice
#

at least it has a ground immunity ig

jade ocean
#

Fighting resist and Ground immunity is amazing

#

And quad Rock weakness is no longer an instant nullifier of Defensive Pokemon

#

Though it does force an item

#

Water is a weakness the other Fire types share, and there is a singular good Electric type in the tier that fears Fire moves

#

Oh hey actually Raikou's good too

#

So there's that I guess

wicked solstice
#

also if you get knocked off by say krookodile you're cooked

jade ocean
#

Ground's more common though

jade ocean
wicked solstice
#

they could also predict roost and click eq

wicked solstice
jade ocean
#

It's not like there's other Will-O-Wispers in the tier

#

Like I said, Armarouge and Entei are offensive mons

wicked solstice
jade ocean
#

Armarouge runs 3 Attacks Calm Mind and Endure Weak Armour Weakness Policy while Entei runs Banded

jade ocean
wicked solstice
#

assuming it's not multihit

#

it also does huge damage

jade ocean
#

And less likely than Will-O, which is the more reliable burn method between the 2

wicked solstice
#

because it's choice band stab boosted

jade ocean
#

Flame Body is more so far switching in on physical attackers

#

Talonflame simply has a great support movepool and a great defensive type to back it up

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As well as a great speed tier

#

Idk what else to tell you

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I would say that if it wasn't good in RU then it wouldn't be RU

#

But uhh

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Diancie

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Lmao

wicked solstice
#

it's middling in ru

#

there's other fire types in the tier you could be using that are more reliable

jade ocean
#

They literally don't have the same roles though?

#

It's like saying Porygon-Z is more reliable than Porygon2 they literally don't even do the same thing

#

And B+ is certainly a point in a tier where a Pokemon is doing well for itself

#

You'll commonly see Pokemon in this range be either properly in the tier or just 1 tier lower

#

And then there's Wo-Chien who's ranked A tier in like 3 seperate tiers lmao

wicked solstice
#

and lycanroc

#

and below wo chien

jade ocean
#

That's because Wo-Chien is secretly actually good

#

OK but seriously it's hilarious that bro's got a good ranking in like 3 tiers

#

Despite being PU

#

I think his reputation got ruined by the Caterpie calcs

wicked solstice
#

his typing drags him down a lot

jade ocean
#

Oh shit Wo-Chien rose to NU

#

That's crazy

wicked solstice
#

he's only relevant because of the funny meme

jade ocean
#

Yeah no A rank in both NU and RU

#

You absolutely cannot say this is a bad Pokemon

wicked solstice
jade ocean
#

It has managed to overcome the shit type with raw stats and actually be a relevant defensive Pokemon in a respectably high tier

wicked solstice
#

and it's the worst ruin thingy

jade ocean
#

But yeah no, its reputation seems to be far worse than the mon itself currently

#

Certainly nowhere close to being the worst Legendary

#

I mean, it was UU before the DLCs

#

So I suppose that should've been a given

wicked solstice
#

this is its competition

wicked solstice
#

you click leech seed on all of the enemies and you have infinite hp

#

until one dude whips out the volcarona

jade ocean
#

It's competition with Mr Tanks hits from Specs Xerneas, Mega Weavile and funny calc feesh

wicked solstice
#

holy moly mega greninja is crazy

#

one shot some random ttar with level disadvantage

wispy kernel
#

I have only 23 side quests left

#

wahoo

daring finch
#

Side quests Quagless

mystic compass
#

If i have enough money for switch 2 and legends ZA i would lose to ivor 10 times on purpose so that i can say that i went 10 rounds with the mighty thor

acoustic igloo
#

God I hate Pyroar.

daring finch
#

Cool but what I gotta do with that

woeful flume
#

im almost at 50 phases for shalpha gastly and still dont have it

grizzled sierra
#

Does anyone know how long do static alphas likr houndoom or gourgeist respawn?

woeful flume
#

hopefully 3-4 minutes like most pokemon but if not they should be a whole lot longer

grizzled sierra
#

So i dont need to reset the time of day? Its been like 5 minutes already

woeful flume
#

no reseting the day wont do anything towards the spawn timers

grizzled sierra
#

Ohhhh ok that makes sense 😅

woeful flume
#

yeah i was trying to do the same thing beforeblurry_pain

grizzled sierra
woeful flume
#

the shiny charm really works overtime for me but never on the right pokemon

grizzled sierra
woeful flume
grizzled sierra
#

Imagine all the shinies i missed not being able to hear much lol heehee

grizzled sierra
woeful flume
#

dang lol

grizzled sierra
#

Hopefully ill get both spooky alpha plants soon

woeful flume
#

repeat balls work like masterballs rn

#

since i completed the dex

grizzled sierra
#

Ohhhh thats good to know

woeful flume
#

and the canari plushes help a lot but i think im only at tier 1 or 2 for catching

grizzled sierra
#

The alpha gourgeist didnt reset Despair Despair

woeful flume
#

dang i guess i had it wrong lol

unborn elm
#

Oh hi lil buddy

grizzled sierra
worn cobalt
#

It took 5 shiny Falinks before I got shiny Froakie.

lime compass
#

I have gathered motivation to hunt for snorunt again

#

Mabey I should get the charm before I hunt

#

Actually im to lazy I will do it without

storm bone
#

Got my scizor scammed did a trade evo end they didn’t send back Azusob

#

At least I have their alpha avalugg

lime compass
#

YES

#

Finally I got shiny snorunt and it’s a girlallthethings

woeful carbon
#

glory to the king

lime compass
#

Nooo it’s speed stat is really badDespair

tepid moss
spare roost
lime compass
tepid moss
#

Wait, when did leech life become a good move?

unborn elm
#

Speed affects your move cooldowns

#

So faster the mon lower the cd

#

Well idk I saw a vid that said it I may be wrong

noble ice
#

Mega Pokemon that I feel like that game freak could’ve been better part 2.

#

I don’t hate this mega but I feel a little bit annoyed. That game freak did not do this.

#

The Pokémon I am talking about is Mega Pyroar

#

I like how the fur is supposed to look like the fire blast symbol

#

A lot of people would say that “oh it just grew more fur” but a lot of mega Pokémon already have similar Megas like that. Like Alakazam, Altaria, Ampharos, and many more other Pokémon.

#

The one thing that I hate about this mega, is that the male and the female both have the same mega.

#

I would’ve hoped that maybe the two could’ve been different and not the same.

#

||this is why I’m worried that in the DLC they’re gonna be giving Meowstic a mega and both of their male and female forms are completely different. So they’re probably gonna make them the same as well.||

tepid moss
#

I'm nervous about this ||rogue mega hawlucha||.

spare roost
#

In which it’s the delay of you using your 3 other moves that’s negligible

noble ice
spare roost
#

So what if a move goes from 8 second to 7 second cool down when the animations of you using two other moves takes around the same time

tepid moss
sturdy flower
storm bone
#

I don’t know who and we’re but shiny

#

Shiny weedle

robust wren
#

Same hairstyle

#

Also Mega Pyroar was given the most boring Mega stat boost possible in 20 points to each stat

woeful flume
#

mega pyroar is based off the symbol of fire

robust wren
woeful carbon
woeful flume
woeful carbon
#

I have 65 shiny pokemon as of right now

#

66 will be espurr and I’m not catching another shiny after that

open sierra
#

Can someone help me trade evolution two of my shinies? I’ll give my extra shiny haunter as a thank you

woeful flume
#

i can help but i dont need the shiny haunter

open sierra
#

If you don’t mind thank you

#

I’ll make the trade code

woeful flume
#

ok

open sierra
#

6969 7887

woeful flume
#

im just trying to get a shalpha gastly and ive gotten 18 spinaraks and 12 gastlys

open sierra
#

Do you want an extra magikarp?

woeful flume
#

nope im all good

#

just my gastly back

open sierra
#

Sounds good thank you

woeful flume
#

yw

open sierra
#

Then I have a machoke

woeful flume
#

alr

#

any other evos?

open sierra
#

Thank you have a good day

woeful flume
#

yw

open sierra
#

that’s it

woeful flume
#

is it bad i have 5/6 spinaraks shiny on the wall in area 4 going for shalpha gastly

#

started this hunt monday and have added a shiny spinarak to the wall each day besides friday and got 2 on thursday

tepid moss
#

That's a lot of green spinarak

woeful flume
#

real

chilly halo
#

tw: 🇫🇷

woeful carbon
shadow urchin
#

Got the shiny charm. First charm that I EVER got in a Pokémon game.

woeful carbon
#

its adamant....

#

is there mints in this game

noble ice
#

Do you guys think I should change one of Ampharos moves?

wispy kernel
noble ice
#

I’ve caught an extra shiny panchum don’t know if anyone wants it

woeful flume
autumn shore
#

I haven’t seen Dexio or Sina are they long forgotten or did they leave Kalos for Alola?

woeful flume
lime void
#

The Alola games take place before X and Y though

storm quiver
#

Since was zA came out who looks better mega Greninja or Ash greninja

lime void
#

Since I regularly forget that Ash Greninja exists, I’m going to say Mega Greninja, though I’m not a huge fan of how it’s always upside down

summer flare
#

both are bad, next question lol

lime void
summer flare
#

wanted to pop back in to make sure the channel even had activity, will probably ask for link trade evos when i get access to metal coats lol

#

better to get all 7 in one fell swoop

summer flare
#

did anyone else look around and think about which areas would get "zoned" later while exploring or

#

i specifically did not look up anything intentionally, ||i'm waiting for bleu plaza/the last circle plaza to get zoned||. it probably won't, but the one area with ||sandile and drillbur|| took me by surprise, so did the ||snow zone||
gotta fit that kalos dex in somehow lol

noble ice
#

What’s a good dark type move for Greninja to learn

robust wren
indigo mango
#

this is such an awful piece of clothing, cause im like man thats a cool coat....but foir some reason its paired with these red pants..but i know that if you buy more then 1 of an outfit you can mixmash it...so i buy the same cloak that had the black pants....but what do i get

#

like why is this trench coat mixed with the most awful of colors

summer flare
#

at least the blue is nice i guess

#

but i agree the masc options are the absolute worst

indigo mango
#

yeah but i wanted to be white/black as my fit even had my hair changed but those bright colors in the coat ruined it...so i just went back to my normal red/black

summer flare
#

the vivid sets seem to be notorious for that I noticed

opal gull
#

need more of the cool jackets that are redesigns of the default one

#

but yeah lotta stuff seems arbitrarily limited on colors

unborn elm
#

Interesting

summer flare
#

i need any standalone off-shoulder shirt other than white

#

it's cute but i need a pastel

#

any pastel

noble ice
#

Hey question, I was shiny hunting and I got two shiny Houndour’s and I was wondering if anyone would want the other one.

unborn elm
#

Can’t wait to get mega pyroar

opal gull
#

do you know what it looks like?

unborn elm
#

Yea

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I really like the shiny

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Hence the reason I got a shiny litleo

opal gull
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it's lame its the same for male and female

summer flare
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our strongest soldier

unborn elm
noble ice
opal gull
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I just said that

unborn elm
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Yea that’s my one dislike

opal gull
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why did you ping me to say the same thing

noble ice
opal gull
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no

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that makes sense

noble ice
summer flare
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I need to hunt for venipede, I'm pretty sure ||the "evil" boss has a mega|| and that's when I can get the stone, but augh the bright colors are so "don't fucking eat me" coded it's unreal

opal gull
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I just found a shiny venipede by chance

unborn elm
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Nice!

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Oh also

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Like 10 minutes after finding that skidoo

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I went back to shiny hunting dratini

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Fell off the building

indigo mango
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wonder when we gonna get the mega for malamar in this game still havent gotten it, imma replace barabarcle with malamar once i get its stone...under the condition malamar can learn a good water move

unborn elm
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And found a random ass shiny pidgey in a fountain

opal gull
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do you mean pidgey

noble ice
unborn elm
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Auto correct💔

summer flare
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both my actual shinies are birds; the static alpha pidgeot, and a fletchling on a lamppost

opal gull
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seems more like a typo

indigo mango
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i have the free one and Trevenant

unborn elm
opal gull
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why would you shiny hunt a mon you can only find one of at a time though

unborn elm
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Dratini?

opal gull
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ye

summer flare
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bc there's multiple spots and they're easy to reset

unborn elm
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I just need to run across the bridge which takes 3 seconds

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And it resets the spawn

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Hence being able to be shiny

summer flare
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it's not that hard and less things are after you

unborn elm
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Yea

opal gull
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do you mean unless or like theres less vs lower down

summer flare
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what?

unborn elm
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Anyways yall wanna know every shiny I have rn

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Only rank F

summer flare
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what r peoples luck omfg

unborn elm
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I haveee

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Shiny female litleo
Shalpha fletchling
Skidoo
Pidgey
Ampharos(freebie)

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So that’s 5

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Not bad!

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My lucks been pretty good lately

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too good

summer flare
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i love cotton candy but I never count the freebie honestly 😔

unborn elm
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Yea

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So I guess 4