pokemon-winds-waves

[fickle birch]

Context pretty heavily implies what Pokémon we're talking about. 😅

[prime topaz]

||I hate kingambit so much||

just a little bit of restraint and it would be a solid design

[fickle birch]

Oh no, I absolutely love it. ❤️

[prime topaz]

but had to make the mustache too big and a chair made of hair because god forbid I take my design job seriously

[meager oasis]

I love wyrdeer and sneasler, and starting to like dudunsparce more

[white jungle]

Aight but why are we spoilering this stuff in the first place? It and more has been discussed openly in this chat for weeks. Even ||Paradox|| Mons have been posted unspoilered

[fickle birch]

Although the chair is a little odd, yeah. 😅

[frail fox]

It's really weird how ||they went from western chess style design to a more japanese shogun style design||

[fickle birch]

Spoiler that. 😛

[fickle birch]

||I assume they based it on shogi.|| 🙂

[prime topaz]

I think it's a bit of a multi-layered joke

[frail fox]

maybe

[white jungle]

Spiritomb should have gotten Wandering Spirit this gen

And the Spiritomb in Legends Arceus you get for collecting all.the wisps should have had it

But obviously that would only matter on transfer

[fickle birch]

It should have got Wonder Guard.

[prime topaz]

||Kingambit is the name, but being designed like a shogun when in fuedal japan has some history you could extract from that|| ||for a long period of japanese history the shogunate controlled the country while the emperor was only a figurehead, and the Bisharp line act as an army||

||Bisharp being found largely in the asian-inspired zones in s/v is a hint to that I think||

[white jungle]

I still don't get why we're suddenly spoilering everything? Pretty sure everyone in this convo knows all the stuff that's spoiler marked rn and also there are weeks of unmarked spoilers about a minute of scrolling above all this

[prime topaz]

unrelated picture of ieyasu tokugawa from the pokemon conquest spinoff

[white jungle]

Dude's compensating for something

Such a good Pokémon literally only let down by its fucking hair chair

Who's dumb idea was that

[fickle birch]

Spoiler.

[harsh oasis]

What else would it sit on?

Pawmi? Not big enough

Wailord? Too big

Oh

True

The corpses of the bisharps it murdered

[viscid adder]

honestly I think the fact that they stuck with the origin creature and went with that name is pretty awesome and hilarious at the same time

+1

[prime topaz]

and there's the "accidentally make a good one"

[fickle birch]

Togekiss was originally gonna be a lot less of an egg-shaped friend. 😂

[viscid adder]

fair

togekiss is the only one that can be egg

[prime topaz]

wonder if we'll ever get beta designs from the 3d games

[fickle birch]

If they ever uncovered prototypes, that'd be really interesting. 🙂

[prime topaz]

I'd imagine that the designs are finalized before they start modeling, but who knows

[fickle birch]

Yeah that's probably true as well, but things like proportions might get tweaked. 😅

I mean, I know spriting is obviously easier than modelling and texturing, but Johto's designs weren't even finalised just months before release. 😮 https://tcrf.net/Proto:Pokémon_Gold_and_Silver/Spaceworld_1999_Demo/Pokémon

[prime topaz]

man I wish octillery would get an evo that looks like the beta design

hey look it's pawmi

[alpine sandal]

man pawmi's gen 2 sprite looks great

[hazy scarab]

looks like latios

[quiet frost]

Got a shiny wooper!

[fickle birch]

On the subject of betas and the Eon Duo, Blaziken and Latias (and therefore probably Latios) were originally one Pokémon. 😮

[hazy scarab]

lmao

[viscid adder]

||WELP. guess I got one more reason to do a ninja sex party theme for my playthrough...||

[little whale]

Hmmmmmmm

[quartz mica]

Are outbreaks affected by time of day ?

Ralts stopped spawning despite the outbreak still being there and after game reset

[prime topaz]

try a picnic

[hazy scarab]

do static terra pokemon have set ivs?

[hazy scarab]

who is that

[quiet frost]

A hot guy

[quiet frost]

Can quaquaval join?

[viscid adder]

||An unmasked atticus! You know, the ninja guy from Team Star?||

[hazy scarab]

oh

wow

[viscid adder]

||Heavy ninja brian vibes on his hair and those eyes and those brows. Well, Atticus is way more youthful, but I think you can get the jist.||

[viscid adder]

Dude you have no idea how genius that is

[quartz mica]

I did

[viscid adder]

||Here he is in the front||

[prime topaz]

||theory going around that the pokemon responsible for area zero is from the gen5 Dream World and the past/future pokemon are were created from a combination of dream manifest and terastilizaion||

||that would explain the paradoxes of the paradox pokemon, like brute bonnet having modern pokeball designs, roaring moon being based on mega salamence, etc - they aren't actually supposed to exist like a real paradox||

[forest egret]

||would also explain paradox suicune's existence too||

[prime topaz]

||in the final research station the professor writes about wishing there were two of him to continue his research, and the entry after that one, there comes the AI professor built by a technology far more advanced than current day. the tera pokemon could have simply wished it into existence as it did with the nonsensical time machine||

||how could the violet/scarlet books exist at the same time as the time machine anyway? it was written 200 years ago, yet was written after the time machine became operational? that's either a bootstrap paradox or the time machine isn't actually real. Arven himself alludes to this at one point ingame||

||this isn't really related but I think it's funny that the flavors of the herba mystica are all flavors of poffins which affect pokemon behavior - Spicy, Salty (dry), Sweet, Bitter, Sour||

[viscid adder]

https://tenor.com/view/curiosity-curious-intrigued-interested-interesting-gif-14505707

[prime topaz]

heavy endgame spoiler: ||some other indicators for the manifesting theory: every paradox pokemon the AI uses against you in the final fight are all in master balls, usually exceptionally rare items. also, the AI choosing to go into the past/future and expressing care for Arven might be the wish of Arven, cuz that thing was definitely gonna die||

[viscid adder]

||A 'mon stronger in wish power than jirachi...||

[prime topaz]

||jirachtwo ||

[viscid adder]

||Paradox jirachi?||

[frail fox]

my pawmo finally evolved, after literally forever

[viscid adder]

||OH SH- it might be||

[frail fox]

caught it in like the very first route, had it walk around with me for half the game, and it didnt evolve until like level 48, lol

[prime topaz]

||Ok, so Diancie is a rapid evolution that happened with the Kalos ultimate weapon fired and crashed down on reflection cave and evolved Carbink into this - what if the beam hit a Jirachi that fell into Paldera, combining it with the timespace distortion power of the weapon that allows it to grant wishes, possibly by using ultraspace||

[forest egret]

https://twitter.com/UltimaShadowX/status/1597352296056492032?t=hE-MNi4YrcFx7f_zzQgj2A&s=19

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What the actual fuck.

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[tawny willow]

whats the link code for the ditto room?

[viscid adder]

||hyper evolution... that is sick..||

||forgot that existed||

[prime topaz]

||Kalos ultimate weapon fired 3000 years ago, Paldea Empire started 2000 years ago and started expeditions into area zero||

[viscid adder]

||Mmmm god this is so good||

[hazy scarab]

wait area zero expedition started 2000 years ago?

[prime topaz]

yeah. the time scale of some events in the 3d games are wack

[viscid adder]

I mean, in hisui, we were in steampunk land

[prime topaz]

eternatus in sword/shield crashlanded there 20,000 years ago according to the story

20 thousand

[viscid adder]

Goddamn technology really advanced in the pokemon world

[prime topaz]

I don't know if there's any significance to this, but the fragments of eternatus that allow for dynaamax are called wishing stars, and eternatus itself is supposed to be capable of warping space-time

[viscid adder]

OH GOD WE GOTTA TAKE ALL OF THE NOTES

[tall epoch]

ive only seen some stuff im getting the game for my birthday this saturday but i just realized the iron valliant thing is a gardevoir gallade fusion.

[prime topaz]

the teased legendaries that will likely be in the dlc are also legendary fusions!

[tall epoch]

ohh

that sounds sick

[hazy scarab]

for us the peak of the egypt empire was like 5000 years ago if i remember correctly

these games are uh

odd

wasnt legends like 200 years ago?

[prime topaz]

yeah

[hazy scarab]

how was that like 2k

widjaoiwdjoa

game freak

what are you doing

[prime topaz]

well, every game since x/y has had plots about spacetime being warped in increasingly ridiculous ways

[frail fox]

to be fair legends was in japan

200 years ago japan might have looked a bit like that

maybe closer to 300-400 would be more accurate though

[hazy scarab]

lmao

japan is the stone age?

[cobalt thicket]

The pokeball progression tho

[hazy scarab]

while calos or whatever is

[frail fox]

legends wasn't the stone age

[meager oasis]

They have cameras

[hazy scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/future-squidward-spongebob-gif-4767609

[frail fox]

they had steam engines, and stuff, just a lot of wood houses

[hazy scarab]

look at their pokeballs

and their mindsets

traditions

[prime topaz]

you're right though. even though there was some kind of advanced stuff in hisui, kalos was firing ultra powerful doomsday weapons 10k+ years before that

[hazy scarab]

while apparentaly x and y have like space travel or whatever

[meager oasis]

Not sure what you mean

[hazy scarab]

legends arceus

they were afraid of pokemon

[frail fox]

japan being an isolated island, with galaxy team being first contact with other regions explains that

[cobalt thicket]

So the expedition in the crater in paladea must have begun long before poke balls existed then which sounds odd

[hazy scarab]

while calos was waging war 10k years before that

[meager oasis]

Different traditions then ig

[hazy scarab]

they just chucked sitrus berrys at the pokemon

[cobalt thicket]

I guess lol

[frail fox]

also, ancient superweapons and lost technology are a pretty common trope

[cobalt thicket]

Mf trying to build a time machine while we are over here in hisui making poke balls out of sticks and stones

[hazy scarab]

i dont think doomsday weapons are comparable to a steam engine

[meager oasis]

I was talking about hisui

[hazy scarab]

yea

compair that to calos

CALOS WAS 10K YEARS PRIOR

[meager oasis]

I wasn’t comparing to kalos

[hazy scarab]

hisui was 200

[hazy scarab]

thats what the conversation was about

[frail fox]

a world like pokemon having regular technology resets and extinction events wouldn't be surprising at all

[hazy scarab]

how hisui was WAAAY behind

[hazy scarab]

tbh yea

with the like what is it now? 50 gods

[meager oasis]

I never said it’s way behind kalos I just said hisui is more modern

[hazy scarab]

all waging war

[hazy scarab]

lmao no

[meager oasis]

?

I’m not talking about kalos

[hazy scarab]

this was made 10k years ago

what did hisui have

wood

they were not modern

[frail fox]

was it ever said it was made by humans?

[meager oasis]

I wasn’t talking about kalos…

[frail fox]

it looks magical

[hazy scarab]

i mean they could have employed alikazam ig lol

[meager oasis]

I said hisui is close to modern times and never said anything about kalos

[hazy scarab]

wait are you talking time frame or tech use of modern?

[meager oasis]

Time frame

[prime topaz]

the very tall homeless guy made it

[hazy scarab]

oh then im dumb

[meager oasis]

It’s fine

[hazy scarab]

isnt he just a dude who doesnt age

az is odd

[prime topaz]

he's also freakishly tall

but yeah, immortal

[frail fox]

maybe he's a wizard, not an engineer, idk

[cobalt thicket]

Az got his immortality from firing the weapon I think

[hazy scarab]

wait what

if thats the case it doesnt explain anything

[meager oasis]

Az was just a protagonist that has really long plot armour

[hazy scarab]

its not was

he still is the protagonist

[meager oasis]

Yea I know

[cobalt thicket]

Pretty sure he fired it to resurrect his floette that died (in the war?) and it ended up resurrecting it and giving him immortality if I remember right

[hazy scarab]

it would be funny if he just sorta showed up in legends

[hazy scarab]

yea

that sounds right

i only played like half of y

[cobalt thicket]

Pokémon timelines are wacky man

I wonder if gamefreak would have the balls to try making a game on the kalos war

[prime topaz]

dynasty warriors spinoff

[cobalt thicket]

Pokken tournament but it’s to the death lol

[hazy scarab]

no it would be a world of tanks like thing lol

all those goliath pokemon

and the stuipid steel types

[cobalt thicket]

Imagine a boss is just a regigigas holding a steelix as a club

[hazy scarab]

regigigas would hold a continent

you dont fight regigigas regigigas fights you

[prime topaz]

regigigas would require 5 minutes of playing before he can move

[hazy scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/ford-for-f150-4000lb-vs-armstrong-gif-25358189

lmao i did not see the text

bro you have been typing for like a solid minute

[cobalt thicket]

What if it would be made in satellite and be a turn based strategy game

I turned my phone screen off

Lol

[hazy scarab]

lol

[hazy scarab]

wait what be a satellite?

[cobalt thicket]

I meant to say satellite view

Like high overhead

For the player view

[hazy scarab]

oh thats an odd way to say that

i have always heard of it as topdown

or zelda or something like that

[cobalt thicket]

I had in my head the view they use for Civ games

Like waaaay overhead

[hazy scarab]

oh lol

omg if you controll like fireemblem

[cobalt thicket]

Yeah

[hazy scarab]

have like 6 pokemon trainers under your controle

[cobalt thicket]

Or like StarCraft even

[hazy scarab]

like auto battles but less trash

[cobalt thicket]

Lol

I wonder if they will even do a legends game again

I hope so

[hazy scarab]

yea

they should do johto

i saw something about celibe for it

it could even work with a few hundred years prior

see the (unburned)tower

[cobalt thicket]

That or maybe hoenn with the first time Groudon and Kyogre fought

[hazy scarab]

eh

that would be like primordial sea times wouldnt it

[cobalt thicket]

Probably

[hazy scarab]

wait would regigigas and groundon be allies or enemys?

[cobalt thicket]

No clue

[hazy scarab]

bruh i dont know how but youtube just made its way to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJG7CIqLo9A

[cobalt thicket]

As far as domains maybe allies or rivals

[hazy scarab]

youtube recomendations are wild

[cobalt thicket]

I just remembered what chat we are in lol

[hazy scarab]

how

[cobalt thicket]

We got a bit off topic lol

[hazy scarab]

even i knew that and im so zoned out im on the world map

[cobalt thicket]

At work on mobile bored out of my mind

[tawny willow]

why is it so hard to get a non english ditto??

[hazy scarab]

english good

i speak it

i dont speak spanish

[tawny willow]

not for breeding

[hazy scarab]

plz help

i have to write in spanish

i can bairly write in english

[prime topaz]

I'm so dumb for not catching ||that Heath, the writer for the violet book had a partner cyclizar||

[tawny willow]

finally i got a non-english ditto!

[meager oasis]

Annoying that kilowattrel doesn’t learn heat wave but oh well

It has non existent coverage

[prime topaz]

I have tera blast fire on mine

[meager oasis]

Rip mine is stuck with flying

[cobalt thicket]

If you get enough tera shards you can change that

It’s like 100 tho I think

[meager oasis]

Oh

Didn’t know you could change it

Hmm I should do more tera raids then

[cobalt thicket]

It takes awhile cuz you need the shards specific element you want it to change to

And you get them slow

[hazy scarab]

?

[meager oasis]

True

[hazy scarab]

def but some teachers will give you shards

50

[prime topaz]

||my earlier theory that the secret to what's at the center of area zero grants desires or dreams rather than actual time travel and how that ties into koraidon/miraidon||

[hazy scarab]

odd

why did you think that

and was it proved?

[prime topaz]

it's just a theory

[cobalt thicket]

Theory

[prime topaz]

a pokemon theory

[hazy scarab]

idk i just beat it and was left without my ability to assert dominance

[cobalt thicket]

THANKS FOR WATCHING

[prime topaz]

read my spoilered messages above if you want to know what I think

[cobalt thicket]

Hopefully they go into that stuff further with a dlc

[meager oasis]

Probably will

Maybe

Probably

Idk

[cobalt thicket]

I mean if they are adding more paradox mons they better

[prime topaz]

they have to, they already set up the two legendary fusions

two things that can't ever exist even with time travel

[cobalt thicket]

Unless

[prime topaz]

unless infinite fusion's postgame triple fusion is canon

[cobalt thicket]

They used dna splicers from IF

[prime topaz]

lol

[cobalt thicket]

LOL

Do the cannon dna splicers only work on the specific legendary Pokémon?

[prime topaz]

I think they're specifically supposed to work for kyurem and zekrom/reshiram

[cobalt thicket]

I never played bw2 so I didn’t know

I probably should

[prime topaz]

the weird thing is they're not created by team plasma as far as I know

plasma steams them from opelucid gym

so I guess in canon it's only proven to work on kyurem because nobody tried anything else yet

[cobalt thicket]

I guess with a time machine stuff coming from the future and what not anything is possible

[prime topaz]

I think they're setting up a perfect form of kyurem for the remakes

[cobalt thicket]

If the professor got even a trashy time machine working then infinite technologies are possible in any amount of time going forward

And now that I think about it

[prime topaz]

fusion has been something they've been toying with for a while. kyurem, genesect, type:null/silvally

[cobalt thicket]

The professor probably built a time machine on the other side of the time machine so Pokémon could be sent through

[tawny willow]

50

[prime topaz]

||this entry from the scarlet/violet book is why I think it has something to do with gen5's dream world, and not real time travel||

[meager oasis]

Seeing modern internet talk in SV is weird but also makes sense i guess

like slay and L

[cobalt thicket]

And streamers

Donations

View count

[meager oasis]

God I hate Iono

[prime topaz]

the instance of cheugy in there is why you should avoid internet speak. it was a timely reference in 2019 when the game started development but is already heavily outdated

[hazy scarab]

oh yea didnt clive say L

or maybe it was nemona

[meager oasis]

Nemona said it

[hazy scarab]

i cant remember

[cobalt thicket]

Yeah I had never heard the cheugy thing before

[hazy scarab]

it was cringe either way

[hazy scarab]

same

and i love learning words

[meager oasis]

Me either

[cobalt thicket]

He asked me and I’m like WHAT

[prime topaz]

clavel asks what it means if you visit him

[cobalt thicket]

ye

I was confused

I still don’t know what it means

I never looked it up

[prime topaz]

I had to google "cheugy article" to find this because if you google the word now all that pops up is that question from s/v
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/29/style/cheugy.html

[cobalt thicket]

Lol

[meager oasis]

I just chose a random option from the dialogue thong

Thing

I still don’t know what it means

[cobalt thicket]

So it’s like trying to hard to be trendy and going overboard I guess?

That’s what I gathered

That describes Clive pretty well

That haircut

Wig

[meager oasis]

Where’s the stupid slope challenge thing for Grusha gym I can’t find it

Nvm

I found the npc

[cobalt thicket]

I think it’s outside of the gym door hang right and jump up the cliff

Ah

[viscid adder]

dialogue thong

lol

[prime topaz]

hey wasnt there a city in black/white that was future/past theme depending on what version you were playing

[meager oasis]

Yes

The dragon gym city

And also some other one in postgame

[prime topaz]

that's where the dna splicers were being held

[meager oasis]

DID THEY HALF FREEZE MY KIRAIDON FOR THIS GYM PUZZL

Kiraidon abuse

I thought the challenge would go down the whole mountain but

It was very short

I don’t think there’s been a single gym leader that i haven’t been overleveled for

oh grushas mons are higher level than I thought they would be

But I’m still overleveled lol

What’s the point of the school classes?

[prime topaz]

padding

[meager oasis]

Padding?

[prime topaz]

wasting the player's time to artificially increase playtime

[meager oasis]

Oh

weird

[prime topaz]

I'd say it's for new players but you don't unlock more classes until you do gym badges, so the classes never actually teach you anything you wouldn't have already learned

[hazy scarab]

Gushy gym challenge suched

NY ride didn't want to go

[cobalt thicket]

I know you can get a galar meowth from a teacher after a certain point

[meager oasis]

And 50 rock tera shards from another one

and some different tera shards from others

Oh my god the history teacher has a bugged model

A part of her hair keeps twitching

[prime topaz]

||anyone find that small cave in zone 4 of area zero with nothing in it but hear some pokemon cries?||

[meager oasis]

Probably pokemon spawning in the walls

[prime topaz]

ok well, I mean, you're probably right but...

[cobalt thicket]

I think I’ve seen that one

[quiet frost]

https://youtu.be/jSfN-a7quMA

[prime topaz]

go to the enterance to the final lab and take a hard right

along the wall

[cobalt thicket]

I finished the dex and don’t know what the purpose of it is

If it even has one

[tired sparrow]

Shiny charm:)

[cobalt thicket]

I know there is ||another cave in there with a big crystal in it with an item||

But I’m not sure why that one is there

[prime topaz]

||iron valient|| decided it wanted to break out of 30 ultra balls and kill itself on my rocky helmet

[cobalt thicket]

I just quick ball, run quick ball, run

[prime topaz]

honestly trying to capture pokemon with anything other than a quick ball is a waste of time in this game even without abusing the run thing

[cobalt thicket]

True

[prime topaz]

way overtuned

[cobalt thicket]

Kinda surprised it hasn’t been needed yet

It was like this for every game that let you buy them

Is it true that premier balls give you a crit capture if you caught the Pokémon before

[prime topaz]

I didn't play sw/sh but while quick ball was super strong it didn't feel like the only viable option to catch pokemon like this game

[cobalt thicket]

In swsh I bout quick balls and dusk balls at every opportunity quick balls for dex and dusk balls for raid dens

[tawny willow]

you get items and unlock conversations with some teachers that can yield good stuff like a galarian meowth

[prime topaz]

I would not put good things and galarian mewoth together

[tawny willow]

why?

[prime topaz]

because I don't like i t

[cobalt thicket]

Lol

I think it’s gonna be a really good steel type mon this Gen

I plan on raising one for raid dens

I’ve got my shiny perfect iron hands and working on miraidon and koraidon but after that I want a really good Clodsire and perserker for raids

Im hoping the charizard event has good rewards so it’s worthwhile to do it after you get your one charizard

[viscid adder]

well of course that's happening
it's power up punch on steroids

...no it's not power up punch on steroids

its basically lucario's mechanic in smash but put in the context as a move

[prime topaz]

any leads on what this thing's name could be?

[meager oasis]

Charizard

[viscid adder]

||crap... it might not be jirachi.||

[viscid adder]

we need 6 letters. not 9.

[prime topaz]

maybe it's related to the missing letters in the scarlet/violet book's last page

[viscid adder]

OF COURSE

WHERE'S THAT PAGE

[prime topaz]

missing letters:
D ok mo
ar rc th
tr ti
po na e
o t(/w?) he
ve xa
me t g
we mb ter br i

[viscid adder]

and just when we got somewhere....

[prime topaz]

Whether it was a Pokemon, or even alive at all, I know not.
Whether it was a Pokemon, or even alive at all, I know now.

which could it be?

[viscid adder]

the latter

the grammar flows better

...aaand I just remembered something

[prime topaz]

iron bundle

[viscid adder]

wait, also got eternatus... completely unrelated with the two wolves

nvm

[tawny willow]

wow. frigibax has an egg move that it cant get.

[prime topaz]

if you take out all the double letters missing from the page, you're left with D E O W(or T) T G I

[quiet frost]

We know what it is. It's the thing in the final page of the Scarlet/Violet book.

[viscid adder]

that's still 7 letters

we need six

[quiet frost]

Oh, people already shared.

[viscid adder]

wait...

i'm looking at the beast that's above the egg

[quiet frost]

||The crystal "final boss" mon and Paradox Suicune/Verizion are gonna be DLC, as well as additional Paradox Pokémon in Area Zero according to the leaker.||

[viscid adder]

yeah yeah we know we know

[quiet frost]

||Paradox Suicune/Verizion were supposed to be in the base game but got scrapped last minute apparently.||

Hence why their numbers are just missing from the Dex, lol.

[viscid adder]

I'm still puzzled as to what "res_led" a myterious, brilliant disk" could be

[prime topaz]

resembled

[viscid adder]

ok yeah

brain thought about it more

[quiet frost]

The ||0|| can hide several letters.

[viscid adder]

i think in order for us to solve this mystery, we need to look up on some spanish/mexican folklore

[prime topaz]

guess the 6 blanks for the name of the disk pokemon could also do the same

[quiet frost]

Exactly, don't assume the name is just 6 letters because there's plenty of ||0||s that show the exception.

[prime topaz]

this part of the picture of it has 6 characters as well. I'm guessing they're corrupted looking japanese characters

[viscid adder]

well, it gives us more flexibility, but at the same time, the possibilities are expanded.

[viscid adder]

hm.......
ok, we need a page from those books that are not about disk lizard

because maybe we can make a cipher out of this

[prime topaz]

https://twitter.com/Light_88_/status/1596912112952958981
https://twitter.com/Light_88_/status/1596903681152032768

Light (@Light_88_)

Full Violet Book.
#PokemonViolet
#PokemonScarletViolet
🧵

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Twitter · Nov 27, 2022, 5:01 PM

Light (@Light_88_)

Full Scarlet Book.
#PokemonScarlet
#PokemonScarletViolet
🧵

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Twitter · Nov 27, 2022, 4:28 PM

[viscid adder]

aw crap nvm

[prime topaz]

this appears on the area zero: cartograph page. no points for guessing what this looks like

I would say it'd be best to look around paldera and see if you can find more of what this alphabet is

[viscid adder]

hmm...
it reminds me of the "seven wonders of the world"

[prime topaz]

forgot spoiler

same text outside at a better angle

[viscid adder]

||o r a n g e||

[prime topaz]

is that what this spells?

[viscid adder]

no, i don't think that and disk lizard's word are related

[prime topaz]

no I mean does it spell O R A N G E

[viscid adder]

idk i don't speak paldean

https://youtu.be/GmQI4ZBAmp4?t=177
but my brain did remember this

[prime topaz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsnGmyqYzvI

[viscid adder]

so it's crystallike.. but also like a liquid

[prime topaz]

some more paldean alphabet

most store signage has it, so you could work out the cipher from that

nevermind it exists

[viscid adder]

thank you alphabet

les do this

uh...

les not do this?

screw it. Caesar cypher time.

[prime topaz]

7SW3E4
wow that's not helpful

[viscid adder]

Bouvload is like the only understandable word I can get from this gobbledygook

hmm

I have a feeling that this cipher

is only looking at this from a latin letter standpoint

[prime topaz]

the alphabet they use is the same as in galar https://www.pokemonaaah.net/research/galarian/galarwords/#gwlB1

[viscid adder]

white screen. fantastic.

....oh wait

ok that can help

with the guide at hand, let's make something out of this

no that's not it

all i know is that it's japanese and it will get translated

[prime topaz]

here's the text at union circles

mak8ew3sdlv

great

[viscid adder]

that's why I'm using this

dear god
this is us right now

ok
let's just solve this for now

[prime topaz]

A0 = area zero

[viscid adder]

hmm

[prime topaz]

would help to know the japanese names of these places

[viscid adder]

oh yeah that would help

[prime topaz]

also for whatever reason the text inside is a little different

[viscid adder]

A 0 - FT

[prime topaz]

table city

[prime topaz]

||Area Zero Expedition Team||

[viscid adder]

A. Z. E. T

[prime topaz]

I think the Z is just the number 0

[viscid adder]

now, let's figure out this

[prime topaz]

research team

[viscid adder]

Boom shakalaka!

Finally, we're getting somewhere

alright, here's what we do know

[prime topaz]

this one is easy it just says WARNING

[viscid adder]

Ok, so the dashes can mean A as well!

And three can mean R!

And upside L makes N!

...but wait does that mean that double dashes can also g?

or

ok. fits the continuity

nvm carry on as you were

gotta think japanese

FOURTH LETTER CONFIRMED TO BE S

E is a likely contender too for this letter, but it can also be an I too so watch out

Ok... let's make something out of what we know

the progress so far

[prime topaz]

that seems like a likely combination of letters

[prime topaz]

you know what, that makes sense

[viscid adder]

the "G" is just a hunch

[prime topaz]

could be gnoser

[viscid adder]

Hell, it could be Geoset or.... GEOSEA?

[prime topaz]

but geoser makes more sense

geoset sounds coolest

geosea, earth and sea, could also make sense

[viscid adder]

I was thinking Geosea because the leaks are saying that the third legendary could be a water type.

...

oh my god

THAT'S WHY IT RESEMBLES A FLAT DISC!!

[prime topaz]

...huh. that makes sense

and explains the little dragon head at the top

[viscid adder]

THIS GUY IS THE GLUE THAT HOLDS REALITY TOGETHER

THE GUY THAT CAN MAKE THE IMPOSSIBLE POSSIBLE

THE WHOLE WORLD IS RESTING ON THE SHOULDERS OF THIS LITTLE LAD

I THINK I'M GOING MAD

[prime topaz]

now how does this tie in to the terastilization phenomenon

[viscid adder]

aka, idk man

[prime topaz]

some of the professor's mathematical equations using the same alphabet as variables

[prime topaz]

so what does the text on the cover of the scarlet and violet books say?

[viscid adder]

ok, last one and then I have to teleport away

[prime topaz]

some other interesting notes: ||Glimmora has six petals and has crystals that resemble tera orb according to its dex entry, the legendary is repeatedly associated with hexagons, which have six sides. also, it's exclusvely found in area zero||

[viscid adder]

interesting interesting

but what about glimmet?

[prime topaz]

it feeds on the crystals

[viscid adder]

nonono where is glimmet?

where can you find it?

[prime topaz]

you can find it in other cave areas in paldea

[viscid adder]

note: some of these guesses are straight up gut reactions

so it might not be 100% accurate

[prime topaz]

"sekai o" is definitely the first bit

[viscid adder]

So...
"(blank) (blanks) the Earth"

update...

hmmm

...HM...

I think the translation here is, and this is kind of a gut reaction,
"Team Zero explores the Earth"

or "Journey to the Center of Earth Zero"

Ok

no more

got stuff to work on

my powers are needed elsewhere

https://tenor.com/view/teleport-goku-dragon-ball-z-dbz-anime-gif-17622607

[prime topaz]

thanks for the help cracking the mystery on the legendary's name

I think that's a world first

[viscid adder]

no problem

but again, this is only a hunch

not a confirmation

[prime topaz]

of course

[gloomy inlet]

maybe "area 0"

[viscid adder]

thanks bro

[gloomy inlet]

hmm

oh ok

[viscid adder]

"Area Zero hides in the Earth"

Sir, I think you might be on to something

[prime topaz]

I think that's correct

it's pretty deep in the crater, so it is hiding way down there

[meager oasis]

Is grusha supposed to be the final gym leader you fight?

[prime topaz]

you can do them in "any order" but yes

[gloomy inlet]

this sv letter thing reminds me of some letter i made with my friend back in elementary school. Suprisingly the "E" resembles the "E" that used in SGA / minecraft enchant

[meager oasis]

That’s so weird cuz grusha you can get to before the other one

I was already overleveled for grusha dear god the other poor gym leader is gonna be in a world of pain

[prime topaz]

I think I would be a lot more forgiving of this game if it cut out the starfall and path of legends stuff and focused entirely on the mystery of the crater

and fleshed out arven more through that

[meager oasis]

I love gigaton hammer

[prime topaz]

real unfortunate for the last gym to be ice type and have a pokemon with that move available

[meager oasis]

Mhm

This game seems to only be difficult early on

Because you don’t have strong moves

[prime topaz]

just frontload all the special attackers learn sets with physical moves and vice versa

[meager oasis]

Ngl that sounds like a fun challenge

I love building sets like that on showdown

[prime topaz]

that's what they do in the game but keeping it that way could be interesting

scovillian would shine there since he's a mixed attacker you get pretty early

[meager oasis]

Bombirdier seems like a fun one too

Lots of good coverage and 60 spatk

Special meowscarada would be good too

It gets better coverage on its special side than physical side lol

[quartz mica]

Ok yeah

Time of day 100% affects outbreaks

I’m required 30 minute breaks because shiny ralts won’t show up and they can’t spawn at night I guess

[meager oasis]

Welp I beat all the gyms now

And I was overleveled for every single one

[empty parrot]

oh damn i got lucky i caught it right that turn or else it would have killed itself

purple ruin spoiler btw

[meager oasis]

Update on exploration

I’ve fought every gym leader now and only need to fight the last titan and team star boss

[quartz mica]

Fucccccckk

Failed shiny becuase I accidentally picnic instead of save

[lament glen]

wait you explored all that without having unlockef all movement options?

[hazy scarab]

The last one is just climbing right

[hazy scarab]

It's in the lake

[lament glen]

just

compared to gliding and big jump it gives by far the most new mobility

[fickle birch]

Oh absolutely it does, yeah. 😄

I explored the whole region without it too, but the mountains were annoying. 😅

[untold dragon]

By any chance anyone here finished the game on scarlet?

[untold dragon]

so close to finishing dex just need scarlet stuff

sadge

[quiet frost]

Yeah same

[hazy scarab]

Yea

[hazy scarab]

I have like 20 pokemon caught

[empty parrot]

what u guys think of my profile background thing also ignore my name i thought it was funny

[shell grail]

nice

[night python]

cool

[wanton idol]

FUCK YEAH

finally i got herba mystica

i got one

one more and im set

[night python]

hell yeah!

[empty parrot]

i just f’ing caught a chien pao with a luxury ball at the fifth turn while it still had like 13% of its hp left it was still orange and stuff

[night python]

the fuck is a Chien Pao?

[empty parrot]

if you dont know im not gonna tell you since spoiler

[night python]

is it one of the pokemon behind the four seals?

[wanton idol]

does anyone know if you can get more than one herba mystica in a day

[shell grail]

yes

[shell grail]

yes you can

[night python]

ah okay

thanks

[wanton idol]

thanks dude

[empty parrot]

how do you even get them in the first place?

[night python]

are any of the pokemon behind the seals good (or cool looking)?

[empty parrot]

i wanna make op shiny sandwich

[wanton idol]

beat 5 star raids

or 6 star raids

rare drop

[empty parrot]

definetly

i got two so far

[night python]

aright, I'll go and get them

[empty parrot]

first

make sure you got things at least around lvl 60 that doesnt one shot so try to have something with false swipe

[night python]

aright, what are most of the types of the ancient mons

[empty parrot]

dark

[night python]

so I can be prepared

[empty parrot]

both of rhe two i have fought have been dark and another thing

[shell grail]

paradox pokemon or ruin quartet?

[empty parrot]

you will see quite obviously what the second type is btw

[empty parrot]

? idk what the paradox thing ur talking abt now but ruin

[shell grail]

the paradox pokemon.. like the past and future versions of pokemon?

[night python]

ah... well I got the bug and fighting types

[empty parrot]

theres more than 4 of those

[shell grail]

yeah

oh

typo

[empty parrot]

oh lol

[wanton idol]

WOO

i got myself some more herba mystica

time to shiny hunt

[left skiff]

How glitchy has your guy's games been because I honestly didn't see much of anything to warrent the reputation this game is getting

[shell grail]

i fell into a wall b4

[empty parrot]

LMAO i caught the ting lu in a quick ball

[empty parrot]

i have heard its mostly glitchy when you play two or more players in the same world

[untold dragon]

just finished the pokedex finally

[empty parrot]

scarlet or violet?

[untold dragon]

violet

[empty parrot]

ah ok i got scarlet

[cloud mango]

I got a few glitches, one where I was hovering mid air, one where the camera passed through the map, and a couple of other very minor ones

I'm not very far into the game though

[empty parrot]

camera passing through the map is quite easy to do if you do the aim thing close to a wall

[cloud mango]

Oh I also had Pokémon spawning inside cave walls

[empty parrot]

quite good for finding things

[empty parrot]

yeah thats more of a slightly lazy dev thing instead of a bug

[cloud mango]

So far, despite any glitches, I am really enjoying it

[empty parrot]

yeah the glitches arent really that bad anyways

[cloud mango]

It's way better than sword and shield and I would say improves some of what legends arceus did and does slightly worse than legends arceus in other ways (just an opinion)

[empty parrot]

animation would probably be the main thing i can complain abt and its only really noticable if you look more closely

oh and also

found lechonk shiny yesterday

very poggers

[quiet frost]

No way babyyyyyyyyyyy

[patent rivet]

That’s a weird looking Shelgon

[quiet frost]

Ikr

Shiny Glimmora is epic

[wanton idol]

guys

i got the flamigo pokemon shiny

its so shit

i love it

i literally had grass shining boost on wtf

[shell grail]

nice

[lament glen]

Me when epic poison flower guy

[quiet frost]

https://twitter.com/Finchinator2/status/1597431809314541568?s=20&t=sfNOAq2i1C9p-Zwp419Ekw

Finchinator (@Finchinator2)

A character arc

Likes

1240

Twitter · Nov 29, 2022, 3:26 AM

[shell grail]

palafin does make game not fun

[livid ferry]

would yall reccommend having a b team and periodically switching?

[lament glen]

I did it and it worked perfectly for me. Never ended up overleveled and the level of challenge throughout the game felt really good to me

[livid ferry]

nice, thatll be what i do when i get it then

[night python]

the game has never crashed once

(for me)

[hazy scarab]

Same

[shell grail]

from what ive heard majority of the problems only happen if you go on docked mode

[lament glen]

From what I know it just runs a little bit better in handheld because Gamfreak didn't figure out how literally every other developer uses AI upscaling for docked mode. But when it comes to bugs etc., you should run into the same stuff

[fickle birch]

Was Mela the last Team Star boss you took down? 😮

[wanton idol]

shiny dratini nice

[fickle birch]

Nice! 🙂

My first and only SV Shiny thus far has been a Hoppip. 😄

I got it by ||Ortega||'s base and noticed it when EXP grinding. 🙂

[quiet frost]

Guys remember nebby?

[night python]

the small space ball

ye

[quiet frost]

Yeah unlike Miradon and koraidon nebby is a bad child smh

[night python]

put nebby into the blender

[quiet frost]

Nebby is the definition of being adopted

[errant hill]

Guys, im searching for Sandy Shocks and the little duck starter. someone down for trading?

[quiet frost]

Maybe

[patent rivet]

Pics?

[wanton idol]

sure lmao

its barely even noticeable

let me finish this max adventure first tho

[lament glen]

lépic

[hazy scarab]

Wait does endeavor work on raids

[shell grail]

Probably not

Just like 1 hit ko moves don't

[wanton idol]

belly drum drain punch spam works tho

[hazy scarab]

I found a 5 star raid and got bodied

[wraith tendon]

Bruh why have most of the gen 9 shinies been so shitty

[patent rivet]

GameFreak only knows how to make shinies by slightly changing the hue of the normal colors or just making it neon lime green

[shell grail]

cetitans is an exception

[patent rivet]

Katten is playing Pokémon Sword

[wanton idol]

ye

indeed

[lament glen]

[wanton idol]

pretty fun game

wanna replay it sometime

[lament glen]

I'll hard disagree on that

I have no idea how I ended up putting 150 hours or something into that game xD

I'm enjoying ScVi 1000 times more and I'm done after like 30 hours xD

[wanton idol]

lmao i dont care how easy it is or what not

i really liked playing through it 4 times

[wanton idol]

yeah those games are pretty short sadly

[lament glen]

Everything about that game is just terrible to me. Mediocre music, the worst route design ever, the worst "open world" area ever, the most "tell, not show" story ever, the most annoying gimmic ever, the most terrible champ and rival ever, some of the worst gym puzzles ever... just everything about those games is horseshit to me

[wanton idol]

i liked them though 😎 😎

[hazy scarab]

its like that because the brighter a flamingo is the more agressive it is

still lazy design tho

[viscid adder]

No I just took a screenshot of this because it looked goofy lol

[fickle birch]

I was gonna get angry because I thought you meant SV, but no, SwSh is terrible. 😂

[patent rivet]

SV seems like the Sonic 06 of Pokémon

A lot of good ideas, but they rushed it and it’s buggy as hell

[lament glen]

Buggy

https://tenor.com/view/buggy-one-piece-captain-buggy-pirate-clown-gif-20009220

[patent rivet]

One Piece

I knew it

[open jetty]

why is dunsparce meta and why is it getting banned????

[hazy scarab]

because dunsparce is great

[open jetty]

but why

[hazy scarab]

because dunsparce

https://tenor.com/view/head-out-dunsparce-ight-imma-head-out-pokemon-ash-gif-16023476

[quiet frost]

Worst villians.worst main game

Atleast x and y had some good things

A few good things

[patent rivet]

Hyper drill and Eviolite I assume

Hyper drill is normal type earthquake that goes through protect

[quiet frost]

Why is the dolphin banned

[patent rivet]

He went plus ultra

[quiet frost]

Is he in ubers or actually banned?

[hazy scarab]

how is it earthquake

[patent rivet]

It has 100 power and 100 accuracy

[hazy scarab]

so?

[patent rivet]

That's what earthquake has

[hazy scarab]

earthquakes main thing is hit all around you

[forest egret]

Earthquake is used in singles all the time

[patent rivet]

OK, I don't play double battles so I didn't think of that

[hazy scarab]

yea

[lament glen]

It was break weak and I'm on One Piece withdrawal. Have to get some One Piece into my life somehow in these difficult times...

[quiet frost]

It wouldn't matter if you have no friends

[hazy scarab]

it hits digged pokemon too

[quiet frost]

Not flygon

[hazy scarab]

ok?

flygon is flygon

[forest egret]

I believe he's in Ubers

[patent rivet]

I think levitate might be nullified while using dig

[forest egret]

People just say "banned" when it's been banned from OU

[patent rivet]

Not like anyone uses dig though

[quiet frost]

Yeah well mega rayquaza is fully banned

[forest egret]

Mhm

[patent rivet]

Because ubers isn't technically a real tier, it was supposed to be the overpowered crazy tier, then mega Rayquaza showed up

[quiet frost]

Everything changed when the mega raquaza attacked

[forest egret]

Zacian's an AG dude too

[quiet frost]

Guys why is Tauros thicc?

[open jetty]

ah, thank you for not wasting my time and trolling for no reason

[patent rivet]

OK?

[quiet frost]

Not as thicc as quaquavel but they got some cheeks

[forest egret]

It's a bull

[patent rivet]

You ever seen a bull in real life?

[quiet frost]

Never their butt because I'm not a zoophile

[patent rivet]

Yes, because you have to be a zoophile to look at animals

[quiet frost]

I don't go purposely look at that stuff

[quiet frost]

Yeah but I wouldn't pay attention to their butts

I mean aren't bulls cows?

[patent rivet]

Why did you even bring up butts

[forest egret]

A bull is a male yes

[quiet frost]

See they're not as thicc as tauros

[patent rivet]

Yes, that's why it's commonly paired with Miltank

[forest egret]

Wish we got a prevo for the two

[fleet drift]

heya anyone down to grind some 5+ star raids in the game?

[forest egret]

Sorta like how the hitmons got tyrogue

[prime topaz]

gamefreak refuses to retcon mistakes when they make them, that's why the incense are still around

if it means female tauros suddenly wouldn't make sense, not going to do it

[forest egret]

Wdym

Tauros can't be female

[prime topaz]

you know what

it never occured to me that tauros cant be female

how tf do they breed

[forest egret]

With miltank

And other pokemon in their breeding group ig

[prime topaz]

I've been wrong about this the whole time, damn

that's even weirder that there's no pre-evo with them giving new forms to tauros

and the forms are pretty good even

[fickle birch]

They're not around anymore. 😛

[prime topaz]

this is what i get for skipping gen 8

[fickle birch]

Between incense being removed and changing location-based evolutions to stone-based ones, they've been pretty trigger happy with retcons recently. 🙂

[fickle birch]

They were still in Gen VIII, incenses were removed in IX. 😄

[prime topaz]

not too thrilled about making magnezone evolve method being replaced with thunderstones but the rest have been really good, I must admit

by the way does anyone know if more battle items get added to the delibird shop after you finish all the story?

[meager oasis]

Each town has different items

[fickle birch]

Seemingly yes. 🙂

||Assault Vest, Blunder Policy, Choice Band, Choice Specs, Eviolite, Life Orb and Weakness Policy|| in Mesagoza postgame, ||Flame Orb, Iron Ball, Lagging Tail, Red Card, Ring Target, Room Service, Sticky Barb and Toxic Orb|| in Levincia postgame, and ||Bright Powder, Electric Seed, Grassy Seed, Misty Seed, Power Herb, Psychic Seed and Terrain Extender|| in Cascarrafa postgame. 🙂

I can't remember who just made that post, but they need to spoiler tag. 😛

[prime topaz]

excellent

[empty parrot]

listen here.

[prime topaz]

also what happens after the ||gym rematches||

[meager oasis]

||Roaring moon looks like mega salamence||

[fickle birch]

Still keep it spoilered, it doesn't matter if people can guess it or not. 😅

Especially because ||Paradox Pokémon are directly tied to the story.|| 😮

[empty parrot]

i know but like how do i get it?

[prime topaz]

||I've heard it looks like a mashup between mega aerodactyl and mega salamence the same way iron valient is a mashup of mega gallade and mega gardevoir||

[meager oasis]

Idk I haven’t reached that part of the game yet

[fickle birch]

||Hidden cave by Research Station 3.|| 🙂

[empty parrot]

thx

[fickle birch]

||Go forward until you see a tree, then turn left into the little rocky clearing and you'll enter the cave. Assuming you have Scarlet, that is, otherwise it'll be Iron Valiant.|| 😄

[meager oasis]

Here’s a repost of everywhere I’ve explored so far, I’ve beaten every gym and only need to defeat the last titan and star boss

Going to finish exploring the north delta and then explore the titan lake

[prime topaz]

northwest part of the map around the lake is interesting but I haven't found any towers or flightpoints there yet

neat little area, but nothing there i think

[timid tulip]

Not even the shiny's good

[meager oasis]

I will explore EVERY INCH of the map

[timid tulip]

Worst Gen by far in designs

[meager oasis]

I actually really like flamigos shiny

It’s a reference to how not eating enough of the micro organisms or whatever flamingos eat make them paler

[prime topaz]

can't believe you'd say that when sword and shield was the last game

that's why I didn't play it! didn't like the pokemon I was seeing

[timid tulip]

Shrimp, they eat shrimp

[fleet drift]

so basicly what you're saying is they should be blue

[timid tulip]

Sword and Shield is bad, but it haves some good designs

[fleet drift]

the only shrimp mon in the region is clauncher

[meager oasis]

To me pokemon designs get bette and better every gen

[timid tulip]

Don't put words in my mouth

[meager oasis]

Gen 1 got worst designs to me

And probably gen 3

[timid tulip]

But hey good idea actually, since it would make sense lore wise

[prime topaz]

flamigo needed another art pass to get whatever intent with its design across but with rare exception I think the pokemon designs this game are pretty solid

[fleet drift]

tbh, gen 6 was the worst for me, only liked a handfull of em

[prime topaz]

might be the localizer's fault for not giving it a name that gets this point across, just the dex entry

[fickle birch]

https://tenor.com/view/mad-pissed-off-anger-angry-fist-gif-17698178

[meager oasis]

Uh oh

[prime topaz]

going to go exploud mode

[fickle birch]

Oddly enough, when I did my top 65 Pokémon pre-SV, most were from Johto. 😅

[timid tulip]

Gamefreak employee posts "worst bait ever"

Asked to leave Nintendo

[meager oasis]

I’m confused

[timid tulip]

Let me get my point across

[prime topaz]

gen 1 design slander forgets the context of it being the first game being planned in 1994

[fleet drift]

counted how many gen 6 pokemons i like, i can literally count it with all my fingers (its 10 total)

[fickle birch]

But if I'm ranking designs generally, I'd probably go something like 3 > 2 > 4 > 6 > 7 > 8 > 9 > 5 > 1. 😅

[prime topaz]

I know they don't "hold up" but don't forget it was for the gameboy

not even the gameboy color

[meager oasis]

I know it is but that still doesn’t make it good

[fickle birch]

Saying Gen III has the worst designs has really rustled my jimmies. 😂

[meager oasis]

Don’t worry I have a lot of opinions that people don’t like

[fickle birch]

I know, I saw some of them yesterday. 😛

[prime topaz]

manectric is the only gen 3 design that stands out to be as outright bad

[fickle birch]

https://tenor.com/view/how-dare-you-angry-mad-annoyed-irritated-gif-13252442

[prime topaz]

how you gonna take this thing seriously?

[meager oasis]

Cradily and claydol are awesome

[fickle birch]

Lightning dog with a lovely colour palette? Hell yeah. 😄

[fleet drift]

yes lets add 3 earth moles together to make a earth mole with 3 differently sized heads
yes lets add 3 magnemites together to make 1 pokemon
yes lets make nidoran, give it a slight discoloration and call it a different pokemon
execute, literally just a bunch of eggs being brought together

don't get me wrong, i love these pokemon but their choise of design back then was just not good XD

[timid tulip]

Flamigo is a route 1 bird pokemon

[fickle birch]

This was my list, by the way. 🙂

[prime topaz]

magnets sticking together is a clever idea and you know it

[fickle birch]

Quaquaval would be in there now for sure. 🙂

[fleet drift]

i mean they gave magneton a new evolution in gen 4

where is dugtrio at huh?

give my boy dugtrio a cool fusion evo

[meager oasis]

Uh I was talking about gen 1 designs

[fickle birch]

Dugtrio doesn't need an evolution, it has a regional and a convergent line. Let it rest. 😛

[timid tulip]

Pidget and its line is way better than flamigo

Name and design wise

[fickle birch]

Now Volbeat and Illumise? They need evolutions, or something to make them even vaguely memorable. 😉

[meager oasis]

Yea I don’t like flamigo

But it has a good shiny

[fickle birch]

They're the worst Gen III Pokémon.

[fleet drift]

i like flamigo in double battles

that's it

his ability is great for that

but the only story double battles are at the ghost gym

so you can't even use his ability storywise

[prime topaz]

them, plusle and minun, and solrock/lunastone are good arguemnts for them needing to actually go back and buff the stats of (more) old pokemon

[fickle birch]

I designed evolutions for Plusle and Minun. 😄

[timid tulip]

Medicham and Hariyama count as counterparts?

[fickle birch]

My only issue with Gen III is that it existed pre-power creep. 😮

@timid tulip Spoiler tag any talk about ||Paradox Pokémon||, please. 🙂

[fleet drift]

the only good thing about plusle and minun is their ability, plus and minus. but nowdays other pokemon have that ability and use it way better

back on their release they were good pokemon

[fickle birch]

So a bunch of the Pokémon could do with evolutions; Plusle, Minun, Volbeat, Illumise, Delcatty, Luvdisc, the list goes on. 😢

[fleet drift]

now with klingklang etc its just bad

[prime topaz]

also the issue of the mainline games being very very very scared of putting the player in double battles

[meager oasis]

Klinklang is an awesome design

[prime topaz]

even though that's their official competitive format

[fleet drift]

you realise the world championships are mostly double battles right?

[prime topaz]

i didn't realize the world championships were part of the main story

my bad

[fleet drift]

if they want to be able to promote PWC they should add in more story double battles

[prime topaz]

I think they just need to ditch singles as the main focus of the story and have that be the rare format ingame

[fleet drift]

tbh in the story, while i liked the tatsuguri and dodonzo titan fight, i feel like they would have done better to make the water gym have those pokemons and make it a double battle, actually showing off their abilities together

and add a genuine dragon titan for that

[fickle birch]

Colosseum and XD. 🙂

[prime topaz]

not developed by gamefreak, but definitely something they should take notes from

[fickle birch]

I know, it's a shame that Genius Sorority has been reduced to making mobile games. 😢

[prime topaz]

singles is so stale, and more stuff in gen 9 than ever is focused on doubles

when there's like, maybe 3 or 4 double battles in the game?

[fickle birch]

I agree, doubles are much more fun. 🙂

[fickle birch]

Literally just ||Ryme's Gym||. 😢

[prime topaz]

not even the random overworld trainers (most of which I skipped completely) have double battles? what a damn shame

||you don't even have a dodonzo and tatsugiri by the level range you can do that gym, so you don't actually get to use that strat normally unless you're online?||

[quiet frost]

Remember that terrible rival in black and white 2

[prime topaz]

no because there wasn't a terrible rival in bw2

[quiet frost]

The fricken guy literally used us just for a stupid purrlion

[prime topaz]

he had an actual motivation for his pokemon adventure unlike you

[quiet frost]

He wasn't being a rival because he genuinely was friends with us. He just wanted us to do the work for him

[quiet frost]

Woah what's ur problem 😆

[prime topaz]

lol

[quiet frost]

He literally could of gotten a new one. It wasn't even his it was his sister's

He didn't care about us. Literally the only reason he got purrloin back is by chance that somehow team plasma came back after 2 years but apparently he couldn't let go

Atleast Arvin it makes sense because he had a emotional bond with his dog but because his mom is terrible he got hurt

[empty parrot]

i have catched 4 ||roaring moons|| in a row now lol

for once repeat ball is actually useful

[prime topaz]

I wish the story would have focused more on arven than penny and nemona

[empty parrot]

i would say it does

[fickle birch]

It did though... 😂