pokemon-winds-waves

[cobalt python]

these are some hot takes

[clear crest]

you fucking chad tysm

I did it in that order because then I can cut the last 2 off if I don't use em

[icy forge]

My Team…Surely (?)

[cobalt thicket]

||Btw bellibolt is a thunder stone evo||

[clear crest]

||oh pog, haven't used a stone evo mon in a WHILE||

[cobalt thicket]

||I haven’t even found a stone yet I wanna use it ||

||I really like Capsakid but it evolves with a fire stone and I haven’t found one of those either pretty sure the evo is grass/fire||

[clear crest]

||can't you bitchslap mons for them?||

[cobalt thicket]

Lol

Probably

[clear crest]

||ISTG A PERSON I KNOW MADE A FAKEMON CALLED CAPSAKID||

[cobalt thicket]

I just haven’t played very much cuz work

[clear crest]

||that fucking threw me for a LOOP for a second LMAO||

[cobalt thicket]

||It’s just got so much style and attitude ||

[clear crest]

||IDK what it looks like and I want it to stay that way.||

||but my brain is telling me it looks like a pepper deino||

[cobalt thicket]

||The evo does kinda||

[clear crest]

||lmao nice||

[cobalt thicket]

||I want it so bad same with Masschiffs evo||

[clear crest]

||also remember when people were thinking we'd never get fire/grass? well now we did and it's the most cliche shit possible? LMAO||

||mans is getting namedropped so many things and I'm actually really excited to see their designs, man.||

[cobalt thicket]

||When I saw it for the first time I already knew what it would turn into as far as typing I could just feel it||

||I was surprised with the amount of returning Pokémon but I was even more surprised with the amount of NEW Pokémon too. This game looks really good||

[clear crest]

I think I'm actually gonna cut down my spoiler talks for a while

cya in release, boys.

[cobalt thicket]

Too much hype can be bad for you 😜

[clear crest]

EXACTLY

[clear crest]

ty for doing this for me btw

[spare roost]

My team if i only used Gen 9 mons

[icy forge]

Good taste

||I wanna see Glimmora artwork. Give me Cradily vives||

[clear crest]

||alright yea I'm fucking off. I'm spoiling myself too hard. adios lads.||

[cobalt thicket]

||TINKATON LOOKS SO COOL I found a dragon type den with the pre evo to it but I can’t kill it just yet, (btw you can keep trying tera dens if you lose)||

[quiet frost]

||The team I am going for may swap annilape for ursaluna||

[white jungle]

||You could put these in any order tbh, these are just the ones I currently see having on my team. Obviously disregarding existing Mons who I may want.||

[fickle birch]

Where is the tier list!? 😮

[vestal aurora]

Literally scroll down a bit lmao

[lament glen]

[inner kernel]

[white jungle]

||The snail looks like those fucking leaf sasquatch things from Amphibia, love it||

[lament glen]

||Only 3rd tier for the big olive? ||

[viscid adder]

||yeah I think she's just good.||

||It's better than being neutral||

[white jungle]

||Slither Wing solos Grafaiai||

[gloomy inlet]

or the hard way rename the image into SPOILER_whatever.png before uploading

[hazy scarab]

My opinion is the only one that matters

[vestal aurora]

Moon you forgot to add the spoiler tag

[meager oasis]

oops

||ok reposting my tierlist ||

[meager oasis]

||corviknight of all things having predators that can kill it is kinda scary||

[smoky bison]

||It's the fairy with the big hammer||

[vestal aurora]

||yeah funny dex entry lmao||

[quiet frost]

Hammer time moment

[full nest]

I'm so confused why everything in this channel is spoilered

[icy forge]

||Dont Kill Him…Just Shoot Down xD ||

[vestal aurora]

because most of the stuff is leaks

[hazy scarab]

cause its spoilers

or just cause people feel like it

or cause they dont

like how they added a new charizard form and some rat thing

[vestal aurora]

and also even after the game is released we'll still have to spoiler a lot of stuff for like a month or 2

[meager oasis]

sobs

[full nest]

If people aren't smart/wise enough to not realize a channel marked for a specific game set is going to have spoiler stuff for the game... not sure what they expect

[hazy scarab]

bro one of the mods decided to click a spoiler and got the story spoiled

and they they COMPLAINED

[full nest]

...

[hazy scarab]

my brother in christ you clicked the spoiler

[full nest]

I'm losing more faith in humanity day by day

[vestal aurora]

they might have thought that it wasn't a story spoiler but a design spoiler

[hazy scarab]

L

[vestal aurora]

i don't wanna see story leaks as well

only the designs you know

[hazy scarab]

they should have been wary

bro the last few games have used the same "oh yea i am helping you" story

like it went rocket is up to something

oh no rocket is back

evil team wants nature to help them

life bad get god to help end it

idk peta ig

evil team wants forces of nature to help them

[full nest]

I don't think the pokemon game stories have ever been super complex. you can figure half of them out within the first hour, the other half within the first 2

[hazy scarab]

cops and robbers but space

evil rich dude wants space hand to help him idk get rich

GOD SAYS KILL

||teacher possession||

[lament glen]

Gen 8 didn't even have a story

[hazy scarab]

gen 8 was sun moon right

or was that arceus

lemmy recount

[lament glen]

[hazy scarab]

oh right it was sword

right

yea

its story was a rich dude wanted to get richer by exploiting master hand into giving him more power to scam people into buying

but a dog with a knife bullys it into submission

[quiet frost]

It did you just were not the main character of it till the end. Leon would always show up and be like “I’ll deal with it you just keep doing gyms”

[quartz coyote]

Gen 8 was way too easy

[hazy scarab]

yea

but a lot less grindy

so it was alright

not painful near the end like the early gens

[quiet frost]

I enjoyed gen 8

[hazy scarab]

lets go tho

[hazy scarab]

same

[quartz coyote]

only because you got tons of EXP candy nd shi from the dynamax raids

[hazy scarab]

yea'

[quiet frost]

I liked it more then gen 7 but less then gen 6

[lament glen]

Yea, all that happens througout the game is some person sometimes telling you that the town you are currently in is currently being attacked by giant monsters

Are they gonna show you tho? Nah.

[hazy scarab]

bro you kill like 4 of em

[quiet frost]

Because you are a kid and the adults should deal with it

Until they cannot

[lament glen]

forced op exp share ruined modern pokemon

it is how it is 🤷‍♂️

[quiet frost]

Eh it just got rid of grinding. I don’t hate it

[hazy scarab]

the candies were not forced

[lament glen]

Not my point

[quartz coyote]

They need to add difficulty settings to the newer games.
Something that just makes it so you can't solo the entire game with your starter alone

[quartz coyote]

In Gen 8 I relied solely on my starter and ralts, I didn't even need a 3rd pokemon and I beat E4

[lament glen]

All your hm slaves you never once use being ready to fight the elite 4 when you get there is shit game design, I'm sorry

[lament glen]

using only 1 or 2 mons and getting them overleveled is always easier

[hazy scarab]

you could do that in early games too

[quartz coyote]

I know, I solo'd both Moon and Ultra Sun with Incineroar alone

[hazy scarab]

easy leveling encorages not just having 1 level 78 pokemon and the rest are 15

[hazy scarab]

bro me in smash bros

[hazy scarab]

didnt sword and shield not have those hms?

[quartz coyote]

I enjoy exp share, it means I don't have to either overlevel my starter or farm 500 hours farming every individual pokemon I like using

[hazy scarab]

or was that a dif game

[hazy scarab]

yea

im agreeing with that

[quartz coyote]

Pokemon difficulty doesn't have to go 100% into leveling, they could make the NPCs strategize, it's not that hard

[lament glen]

I was refering to my personal x and y experience

Gen 6 is when the ballance of the games went completely downhill. Tho at least the busted exp share was still optional for that one and gen 7

[viscid adder]

-Oh, sooo like there should be like settings for EXP share?
Like...
-Auto Share: The whole party shares exp, but its less than the one that fought in battle.
-Manual Share: Gives only one party member the exact amount of exp as the Pokemon that fought in battle.
(sorry for the weird wording)

[lament glen]

you dont need to grind like ever. Being lower level just makes the game more challenging and fun imo

[quartz coyote]

Nah, I just think they need the gyms to be harder. They could incorporate building up of pokemon, like sword dance sweeps. So you have to rely on a strategy rather than OHKOs without set up

[lament glen]

thats too short sighted

[viscid adder]

In Gen 8, I had four pokemon that I tend to use a lot:
Intelleon, Pikachu, Corviknight, and Centiskorch
The two spots are for pokemon I want to grind and evolve

[viscid adder]

Ohhh so make it like an actual RPG

[hazy scarab]

well first playthough i cant fully remember i was just oo funny bird and all but the second it was just dunsparce

only dunsparce

[quartz coyote]

man I'm so lost in fusions

[hazy scarab]

i 1shot leons charizard

[quartz coyote]

idek what to do in goldenrod

[hazy scarab]

shop

[quartz coyote]

I mean story wise

[hazy scarab]

stop team rocket?

idk

[quartz coyote]

I just did the giovanni basement thing

now I have no idea what to do

am I suppose to go back to kanto?

[viscid adder]

||everyone wants to know this guy's name, apparently||

||also, close up of mouse family||

||also
||

[vestal aurora]

||Looks way too much like the prevo imo but it's a cool idea||

[vestal aurora]

||Can't be mad since it's a gimmic mon||

[meager oasis]

wait

||it evolves??||

[vestal aurora]

||Yeah finizen is the prevo and palafin the evo||

||Also it makes total sense for palafin zero form look like finizen, it's the classic superhero in disguise||

[meager oasis]

||dear god its BST is high||

||how does the form activate?||

[viscid adder]

||recall the mon back, send a different dude out, then send the dolphin back again||
||I guess that's why it learns "Flip Turn" upon evolving.
https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Flip_Turn_(move)||

[meager oasis]

interesting

[meager oasis]

||oh its learning basculegions move thats neat||

||wait do we know if the hisuian pokemon will be in these games?||

[shell grail]

some will

pokedex was leaked

[viscid adder]

WITH ENTRIES?

i need entires

entries

ENTRIES

[shell grail]

not pokedex entries

just stats and learnsets and evo levels if thats how it evolves but they are in order

[viscid adder]

and we still don't know how to evolve some of these things...

[quiet frost]

||Have they leaked how to evolve hisuien Pokémon like ursarinng into ursaluna?||

[meager oasis]

||those will probably be transfer only||

[quiet frost]

||Dang wanted to use it on my team… annihilape it is instead…||

[shell grail]

i havent seen any info on it

[quiet frost]

Dang oh well

[hazy scarab]

walter white

[odd cave]

waltuh

[hazy scarab]

kirorb

[meager oasis]

Uh, wrong channel?

[viscid adder]

us, trying to kick out the misplaced post

[hazy scarab]

there was an entire rant about the recent gens being too easy and im bullied out of here?

[meager oasis]

?

[hazy scarab]

.

[viscid adder]

||all of that and people are still trying to figure out how to evolve finizen||

[meager oasis]

I don’t understand, your not being bullied we were just saying you posted it in the wrong channel

[shell grail]

conditions for evo are unknown

[hazy scarab]

yea i used poor wording pestered

[quiet frost]

||According to the patch notes hisuien basculin can now evolve which makes me thing that the others can evolve in the game but for some reason are not in the regional dex.||

[meager oasis]

I… still don’t understand

[shell grail]

ok

[viscid adder]

||god... everyone is trying to figure out this dolphin and its origin story||

||....you know what?
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1TEYkDUr43X8MySXh772P_lgNRbdNc34QApmBfRbsXDA/edit||
||help this person out, will ya?||

[shell grail]

i have no idea how it evolves

[viscid adder]

Well, we need to think of some really, really stupid ideas.

||because they tried. a lot of them.||

[urban owl]

|| I mean its a dolphin. Is there a ball pokemon somewhere?||

[viscid adder]

||I really don't know if electrode or voltorb are in the game||

[urban owl]

||Cuz if there is a ball or a juggle, maybe make a whole circus||

||He kinda pull a strongman pose||4

[viscid adder]

||Dude, he's a superhero.
I don't think that's gonna work||

||I was thinking that maybe in order to figure out how it evolves, we need to act out its origin story.||

||So... SUPERHERO ORIGIN STORIES.
WE NEED EM.||

[viscid adder]

||Ok, so voltorb and electrode do exist.
just for the hell of it, I'll suggest it||

[shell grail]

maybe its a trade evo, i havent seen any of those yet i think

[meager oasis]

||I think they are getting rid of trade evos, gen 8 and 7 didn’t have any new mons that requires trading||

[hazy scarab]

they stopped that in ss

[viscid adder]

||dude anything is possible||

[urban owl]

||have we figured out if this region has pulled a gen 5 with ridiculous level curves on evos?||

||Cuz i only see a level up to 38||

[viscid adder]

||My NSP themed party:
Quaquaval: Danny Sexbang
Baxcalibur: Admiral Excalibur
Pyroar: Commander Meouch
Iron Hands: Havve Hogan
Lokix: Doctor Sung
Toxitrcity: Lord Phobos
Miraidon: Egoraptor
Trainer- Brianne: Ninja Brian||

||team may be subject to change||

[urban owl]

||Such a cute boi :3||

[viscid adder]

||would love to see this boy take over the big catfish||

[white jungle]

||I still think Larry will be the next Tumblr sexyman||

[patent rivet]

Larry who?

Larry Koopa?

Larry the cucumber?

Larry the cable guy?

[odd cave]

im gonna get a team of 6 paldean woopers and call them all "Pooper"

[pastel gyro]

||hey guys, is the electrict gym broken for you too? the quest just doesn't complete||

[viscid adder]

||people are still trying to figure out how to evolve the dolphin||

||ok, which one of you have a rom?
and can you hack into it?||

[jovial onyx]

imagine your whole team gets wiped and you pull out a second team 💀💀💀

[full nest]

If this is actually true then I don’t think I know what gamefreak is doing anymore

[viscid adder]

||https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SuperHeroOrigin||
||ALRIGHT, WITCHES
WHO'S READY TO DO HOMEWORK?||

||BECAUSE I'M STUDYING THE S--T OUT OF THIS||

[little whale]

||Have they looked at possible evolution items?||

[viscid adder]

||if it was items, it would've been listed in the code.||

[little whale]

Hmmm

[viscid adder]

||oh, and don't think that leveling it up at night is gonna help either.||

[little whale]

||The first thing I can think of is that you have to catch one in the wild, and have that in the party for others to evolve||

[viscid adder]

....sorry. I didn't understand that

it was probably how it was worded

[little whale]

||You have to catch the fully evolved Pokémon in the wild, and then with that Pokémon in the party, you can evolve the pre evolution. Similar to Pancham but with the same Pokémon||

[magic narwhal]

Have each one be a letter and have them all spell out POOPER

[viscid adder]

||So... you need to catch a Palafin for it to evolve a Finizen into a Palafin?
...oh! Like how a regular person sees a hero and is inspired to become one?||
||That seems interesting! However, I don't know if there's any wild Palafins in the vast ocean||

||...also:||

||so, it has to be something in the overworld.
like runegreius||

||That's why people are scrambling
(and why sandwich making is the recent guess)||

||....oh god... if all of this running around was a waste of time and these people had to make a sandwich to make this thing evolve,
we need to name that sandwich "THE ULTIMATE SANDWICH"||

[opal gull]

do we know what ceruledge's shiny looks like?

[viscid adder]

||Are you sure you want to know?||

[opal gull]

||just the eyes huh?||

||I almost wanna believe thats a 1.10 patch thing seems odd to itnetionalyl change almost nothing||

[viscid adder]

||no. It's there since day one.||

[opal gull]

||dk why they thugh thatd go over well||

[viscid adder]

||I'm probably assuming that the shiny is the soul that's within the armor
Which is a pretty cool idea, ngl
It's just that I think it should be a bit more obvious.||

[placid otter]

||IMO the evolution method is probably just, like||

[opal gull]

||sure, but thne change the ponytail the blades etc, every ghostly part||

[limpid depot]

||It's sad shinies tend to change the minimum possible a lot of the time recently||

[placid otter]

||I was about to say ko'ing a certain number of palafin but huh actually i think thats been tested?||

[viscid adder]

||no, then one of the numbers wouldn't be zero||

[hazy scarab]

"mom come pick me up i wanna go home"

[viscid adder]

||Wow. Ok. So... This low level effort I made slaps hard.||

||Gonna go back to big armor boy and give him the 5 star treatment||

||TADA||

||HIRE ME NINTENDO
hahaha jk jk jk||

[hazy scarab]

Unless

[viscid adder]

||no seriously
it's a joke||

[hazy scarab]

Unless

[viscid adder]

||teleports away||

[viscid adder]

||....hmm... I think we need to make the dolphin breed.||

||or something... idk||

[quiet frost]

||They figured out the dolphins evo method. You have to have a friend with you in coop and have them watch the dolphin ko something. It will then evolve when it lvls next.||

[patent rivet]

That’s so stupid

[odd cave]

||bold of them to assume i have friends||

[quiet frost]

||Or two switches and two Nintendo online accounts||

[forest egret]

||That's the true downside to Palafin||

||You must have friends or money||

[quiet frost]

||I mean I guess it had to be difficult to get the best mon in the game||

[vestal aurora]

||So that's why the coop mode was hyped a lot||

[quiet frost]

||Want to win with the best non legend in the game…. Have friends||

[wanton idol]

eyo les go my smoliv sprite got qc in smogone

[forest egret]

Very nice

Green mogus is now canon in Smogon

[wanton idol]

now this will stink

[wanton idol]

true

[exotic spade]

Will the legendary Pokemon be able to terastallizing?

[cobalt plaza]

I don't see a reason not to, unless they start without being able to

[exotic spade]

since they don't have alternative form like zacian , i think they might be able to tera

[fickle birch]

Even if they had alternate forms, there's no reason why they wouldn't be able to Terastallise. 😅

[exotic spade]

Game freak: are you sure ?

[exotic spade]

This is beautiful

[white jungle]

I'm just saying, in ROM hacks that introduce all the gimmicks

There's no reason a mega Pokémon shouldn't be able to dynamax or terastalise

Show me the rule saying they can't

[lilac needle]

that sounds weirdly terrifying to me

[vestal aurora]

Pixelmon let's you do both actually

[lilac needle]

wait it does?

[white jungle]

Real talk?

||Garganacle should be a pseudo Legendary||

||I don't hate that it's pure rock but without 600 base stat it's not likely to be great||

||I'm gonna say it||

||Spidops looks good I don't know what the fuck people are complaining about||

||It doesn't necessarily look all that similar to Tarountula||

[patent rivet]

||I like the spider with the big silk ball, the evolution not so much||

[white jungle]

||I just don't see the issue with it. I can see why people would prefer it's prevo but spidops looks cool.||

||Ton of monotypes this gen||

[slim tartan]

||I love the spider with silk balls evo, 100% putting it on at least my early game team||

[fickle birch]

||Apparently the meta is shaping up to be wild, Scald's limited to just Volcanion, Toxic is largely gone (though Toxic Spikes is prominent), recovery moves and some abilities are nerfed and there's already been balancing stat changes in the patch that came out before release.|| 😮

[lament meteor]

||toxic spikes is gonna be so annoying||

[lilac needle]

||poison or steel types or rapid spinners with Heavy Duty Boots are really gonna be needed to stop the pain in the ass that'd be||

[lament meteor]

||😭.. funny enough though my favorite strat is a toxic orb gliscor so who knows I might enjoy it lol||

[lilac needle]

||eh toxic spikes being more widespread won't be so bad for that type of strat||

[quiet frost]

||https://www.youtube.com/shorts/3z3N088t0VE||

[lament glen]

[slim tartan]

||They be limiting one of my favorite moves to one of the more mediocre mythicals?!?!?! ||

[restive urchin]

:^)

[slim tartan]

||Are those wild sneaslers???||

[restive urchin]

Yuh

[patent rivet]

||I guess they’re not extinct then||

||While being able to find them normally is fine, I still think it would’ve been cool if you needed to use some special method to obtain the extinct Hisui Pokémon||

[icy forge]

||Oh. What changes? Please a buff for Sunflora and Lumineon ||

[quiet frost]

Let's be honest guys. How do you avoid spoilers on tik tok?

[vestal aurora]

Don't go there

Easy

[viscid adder]

And don't use tik tok

[quiet frost]

||I’ve seen that picture apparently the guy hacked the models. So they are not wild||

[slim tartan]

||Imagine powerful physical sweepers like dragonite or the new salamence being able to freely switch into something like a slowbro or suicune because instead of having to worry about being burned by scald they just get tickled by a surf||

||Physical attackers just got better||

[white jungle]

||Good.||

||Tired of burn.||

||That said, I'd have preferred they nerf the effect instead of scald.||

||Flame body just got a lot more valuable too||

[viscid adder]

||https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/180Qp0wrGEwomjoU78vFMDJTEkI42Bmql||

[quiet frost]

Apparent people are like "hey put a spoiler warning" or "don't spoiiler" tik tok for yah

[patent rivet]

Good advice

[viscid adder]

||How to evolve finizen:
have a friend watch the mon.||

||....
Oh, so it is like Shazam!||

||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJPtjncmIc8||
||I love the movie btw||

[slim tartan]

Top tier advice

[lament glen]

Love this guy

[slim tartan]

||Jokes on you, I have no friends||

[viscid adder]

||i mean like an online buddy.
aka, friend in the loosest terms||

[hazy scarab]

Jokes on you I'm not giving nintendo money for a bad online service

[viscid adder]

||Hey, that's what local connection is for!
...
hey, if you don't want to do that, you can always find it in raids!||

[hazy scarab]

Jokes on you I don't have friends either

[lament glen]

Just buy another switch smh

[viscid adder]

||YOU DON'T NEED FRIENDS TO GO TO RAIDS, MAN||

[lament glen]

According to this, dragalge and blue crab guy are not version exclusives. https://nintendoeverything.com/pokemon-scarlet-and-violet-exclusives-list/ Wonder if that is true

[icy forge]

Strange

||Also id Weird that one of the Tauros is not exclusive||

But good for me

[pastel lark]

https://youtu.be/VG1rGMYB57k

nice i wish some of those were real

[fickle birch]

||Nothing that extreme, it seems. Mostly nerfs rather than the other way around.|| 😦

[icy forge]

||Ok. I see some nerf to Galar Legendaries and Cresselia. But I have Hope that some Pokemon can benefit like Masquerain in Alola||

[fickle birch]

||Masquerain's getting Hurricane, I don't know if it could before but if it's new then that's a big buff.|| 🙂

||Buffs are more movepool-related this time, though some Pokémon like Weavile are also having big movepool nerfs.|| 😦

[icy forge]

||I see that Espeon is getting Power Gem. Eeveevolution with more coverture always is nice||

[fickle birch]

||Espeon should have got Power Gem ages ago.|| 😄

||Apparently, one baffling buff is Garchomp getting Liquidation.|| 😮

[icy forge]

Yes

||Ampharos is Getting Dazzling Gleam||

||And Hisuian Arcanine get Rock Head and Head Smash and Flare Blitz||

[wanton idol]

||tbh smolivs evo has grown so much on me, i really like it||'

[icy forge]

https://twitter.com/CentroLeaks/status/1591518058572828672

Centro LEAKS (@CentroLeaks)

Confirmed! The Let's Go feature won't defeat shiny Pokémon.

▶ Play video

Twitter · Nov 12, 2022, 7:47 PM

[vestal aurora]

that's poggers

||both the sprite and the video||

[fickle birch]

The video doesn't play for me. 😢

[vestal aurora]

you have to open it on twitter

wasn't playing for me either

[lament glen]

Still by far the worst one of the line imo

But the line as a whole is highly epic

[lament glen]

I'm gonna hold back on my thoughts on shinies in modern games and mechanics that makes it easier and easier to get them...

[wanton idol]

really? i think its better than the final

but yes highly epic line

[lament glen]

naah

[wanton idol]

(i think im biased cuz i really like how the sprite turned out

[lament glen]

||The final one looks so grand with its wide arms and the design of the wheel of leafs being based on that whatever-it-is-I-honestly-have-no-idea-and-only-know-it-from-sight works perfectly in my eyes. The 2nd stage is just a normal dudette to me, idk||

[wanton idol]

i think the final evo looks a bit still, but like ive only seen the leaked images so lmao

[vestal aurora]

||i like the final a lot because it shows 2 elements associated to the iberian peninsula, olives and the roman presence||

[lament glen]

I've also seen the ||nihilego-typed flower|| in action in a youtube stream and I really really like it

[wanton idol]

when will we get the mon based of 36 different civil wars then

[fickle birch]

A Trojan-horse themed Pokémon also based on the Spanish Inquisition meme would have been funny. 😄

Equisition. 🙂

Evolving from Carafoal. 😃

[vestal aurora]

also a wooden shark named timburón

[icy forge]

A Troyan Horse coul be good idea for the unavoidable Greek Region

Grass Type. Of course

[wanton idol]

update on the final evo

[lament glen]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTvbdbUGiIw

[cobalt thicket]

||The wild battle music kinda slaps||

[lament glen]

I don't like it

[forest egret]

Me neither kinda. ||Sounds like music that'd be in someone's Geometry Dash level||

[lament glen]

||Yea, it's just too slow and monotone imo. Doesn't fit the vibe of a wild battle||

[wanton idol]

||mom said its my turn on the xbox||

[supple fern]

Shiny Method Spoilers ||The PLA Shiny Saving Returns, slightly nerfed as you have to be closer to the shiny||

[fickle birch]

How do you know which is which? 😮

Also, big hot take here for a lot of people: I don't think Toby Fox is the right person to be doing Pokémon music, the same way I don't think Lin-Manuel Miranda is the right person for Disney. 😂

||Let's be real, Wild themes have literally been getting worse each generation since SM.|| 😛

[forest egret]

Toby Fox only made one song for SwSh, but, unpopular opinion, I found his track boring and I never cared for it

I do like a lot of SwSh's music

[fickle birch]

Which track was it? 😮

[forest egret]

His was the battle tower or whatever it was

[fickle birch]

Oh I literally found "Battle Tower by Toby Fox" in YouTube. Yeah, it's fine. Nothing great. 😅

[forest egret]

Exactly yeah, it's fine

[fickle birch]

The Gym theme for SwSh is amazing, I don't think that's a style they should pursue in future games though. It was so fitting for the big stadium battles but not a stroll in a park. 😂

[viscid adder]

||https://twitter.com/i/status/1591524479775412224||

[odd cave]

For some reason it doesnt feel like it was made by him

[forest egret]

That's pretty cool

[lament glen]

Had a playlist where they had identified a few of them, but I dont have access to it anymore

[viscid adder]

||https://twitter.com/i/status/1591536796231688193||

[lament glen]

fully agree

[forest egret]

Oh the ||wild theme was the slap bass one, nvm about the Geometry Dash comparison lol but it's still meh to me||

[fickle birch]

It partially reminds me of Megalovania in some ways. 😅

[lament glen]

https://youtu.be/QHJ1f0AWtFg
This one is my favorite so far

[fickle birch]

||The first track sounds like something from Sonic Riders.|| 😂

[forest egret]

Battle Tower alledgedly uses leimotifs from his Homestuck days

[lament glen]

eww

[odd cave]

||so both of them are triple fusions||

[forest egret]

||Triple Fusions||

||Suicune one looks sick as hell||

[fickle birch]

||I want to see their colour schemes, they're either going to be amazing or so messy.|| 😅

[viscid adder]

||in an alternate past, they were one dog
in an alternate future, the musketeers became one||

[fickle birch]

||There's like nothing to it, it feels like a main instrument is missing.|| 😦

[forest egret]

The ||Team Star theme is nice||

It fits their vibe

[fickle birch]

||The one at 7:38 is way too synthy for me, like it gives me a headache.|| 😢

[odd cave]

||i wonder what would be the typing||

[fickle birch]

||That's the Team Star one. Not a fan of it at all, it's painful.|| 😦

||Sounds like a D-tier Sonic Forces track.|| 😢

[fickle birch]

||I assume something/Fighting for the Musketeers, the Beasts is a trickier one though.|| 😮

[forest egret]

||Lol, it again sounds like Geometry Dash shit but I can accept it for their theme||

[fickle birch]

||Unless they're triple-types as Electric/Fire/Water and Grass/Steel/Rock, but I don't see that happening.|| 😛

[forest egret]

||Their types I think are somewhere, I don't remember||

[odd cave]

||or maybe electric/fire with water tera type ||

[forest egret]

That's sad

[wanton idol]

fuck spriting rocks

[forest egret]

That one's looking good so far

[forest egret]

||To clarify, I was hoping they were actual paradoxes, mons that shouldn't exist but unnaturally do||

||But no they're just Ultra Beasts but time instead of space||

[odd cave]

||at least they might actually have real names this time||

[fickle birch]

||What would you even call them? Raicutei, Cobiriter?|| 😂

[forest egret]

||It'll presumably have a title like the others||

[fickle birch]

||I expect the Beast trio will be something like the Great Beast.|| 😄

[forest egret]

That'd be cool, I'd be ok with that

||The other could be like, Iron Musketeer or something||

||Iron Sword||

[fickle birch]

||I kind of wish all of the Past forms has "Great" to mirror all of the Future ones having "Iron".|| 🙂

[forest egret]

||Me too but I think I get the vague idea on why they didn't||

||The past vs future has a variety vs conformity thing going on by the looks of it||

[fickle birch]

||Great Tusk, Great Brute, Great Shocks, Great Scream, Great Mane, Great Wing and Great Moon would have been fine.|| 😄

[fickle birch]

||Oh I guess that makes sense, I'd still prefer consistency though.|| 😛

[forest egret]

Same

||I do like "Scream Tail" though so I can't complain||

[odd cave]

||i just wish they had actual names||

[wanton idol]

fuck spriting rocks part

[fickle birch]

||Has big emote potential on the Smogon server.|| 😉

[wanton idol]

pov: gez redos your sprite while you clearly tell him that it just needs some minor checkups

[viscid adder]

hey that's a great idea!

[viscid adder]

||ones from alternate timelines!
...hm....actually..
what is the history behind these mons?
what is their world like?
ONLY TIME WILL TELL||

[pliant estuary]

Is that a fucking ||steel type Hariyama||

What have I missed

Jesus

[viscid adder]

||ahem.
it's fighting electric.||

[pliant estuary]

I mean

Fair enough

I don't know any of these spoilers

||Are these regional forms?||

[forest egret]

||All the future paradox mons are robos||

[pliant estuary]

||Wtf is a paradox mon||

||Bruh??||

Is this some ||ultrabeast shit?||

[viscid adder]

||MONS FROM ANOTHER POINT IN TIME||

||and yes||

[pliant estuary]

Fuckin sick

Nice

[pliant estuary]

WHAT IS THAT

[viscid adder]

||the evolved form of gimmeghoul!||

[pliant estuary]

Oh the little coin goblin

I liked that one

[forest egret]

||He's sorta like Meltan and Melmetal||

||Where you collect their coins to make a big dude||

[viscid adder]

||except melmetal is a big honking titan of molten steel while this little fella is a creature made of nothing but the coins you gave them!||

[pliant estuary]

||I kinda prefer it as the little dude||

[viscid adder]

Oh, and if you have any more questions, just know:

[fickle birch]

||Effectively yes, except replace "other space" with "other time".|| 😄

[fickle birch]

||Looks like an Olympic mascot.|| 😛

||Or one of Lucio's golden skins.|| 😉

[viscid adder]

||You know what? I'm perfectly fine with that comparison.
THIS BOY; the personification of victory! He is made of nothing but gold medals!
He's the mascot of the winter olympics in Paldea.||

[pliant estuary]

||The shiny one is made of fuckin tin||

[fickle birch]

||It's make of nothing but silver medals.|| 😂

[forest egret]

||Platinum Medals||

[fickle birch]

https://tenor.com/view/giratina-foot-stomp-pokemon-gif-25639604

[viscid adder]

https://tenor.com/view/christmas-movies-push-santa-claus-elf-gif-13035872

[forest egret]

These are horrible gifs

Have we gotten any other ||Future Paradox animations yet? I really liked Iron Valiants so I wonder what the others look like||

[wanton idol]

remade my sprigatito

[hazy scarab]

Tf

[forest egret]

Very nice

[wanton idol]

pretty proud of em

[white jungle]

||Honestly it's just weird they chose Virizion. I mean yes, obviously, V and S but like... Suicune is at least the leader or most important of its group||

||I'm assuming they'll have paradox names though||

||Iron Sword or something||

[viscid adder]

||Iron Musketeer||

[white jungle]

||I'm guessing fighting/electric||

[meager oasis]

||I think it makes sense, cuz in BW you need both terrakion and cobalion before you can get virizion||

||It’s always felt like the leader of them to me||

[vestal aurora]

||hgss also gives suicune more importance than the others so it makes sense imo||

[white jungle]

||Lore would disagree tbh, Cobalion is always highlighted as the important one, then Keldeo's the weird my little pony apprentice||

[forest egret]

||Cobalion is the leader in the movie atleast||

[mystic pecan]

||Any confirmation on when in the game we can obtain the paradox forms?||

[wanton idol]

progress

progresso

[spare roost]

|| I herad that some abilites were becoming one time per battle, is regenerator one of them? ||

[urban owl]

||Not yet known||

||Seems to just be offensive ones||

||Like proten/Libero, Intrepid Sword and Dauntless Shield are the big ones||

[white jungle]

||Honestly don't see the use. Maybe Protean and Libero but like... Legendary abilities belong to legendaries for a reason. I've said it before, just stop letting people use obviously broken Pokémon in big competitions and stuff.||

||It's not like the nerf suddenly makes Zacian more interesting to use, it literally just slightly weakens it in the very upper limits of Pokémon strength. Which is pointless.||

||Legendaries should be broken as far as they can go because most of em can't be nerfed to match normal mons anyway without nerfing their actual stats||

[urban owl]

||No?||

||While it should be strong, it shouldnt be meta-defying||

||I feel, along with a lot of others, that legendaries being strong is fine. But if it is significantly trouncing on other legendaries, then its too far||

[white jungle]

||Then don't let it, that's my point. Zacian should never have been allowed to become a meta in competitions because it was destined to be op and boring.||

[urban owl]

||And they fixed it so it can be a better fit, and you complain about it? it solves its issue||

||I dont see why you have an issue with that nerf then||

||Would it be better if they had the hindsight? Yeah, but no one can tell how much a mon is going to break or disrupt a volatile meta game system||

||And arguably, its still really strong in gen 8, even if it had that nerf, because its signature move||

[white jungle]

||It's nerf doesn't make it less op and boring though. It just prevents it being able to pull off swapping out better.||

[urban owl]

||Actually, it does :/||

||Now you only get the one and you actually have to set up||

||The switching and still being strong was the biggest issue about it||

[flint sequoia]

||Its attack also got nerfed to 150, which is nice i guess||

||They nerfed zamazenta to make the bst equal though, poor zamazenta||

[urban owl]

||Honestly design wise, I liked Zamazenta more. It wasnt just dog with sword||

||The shield fit in well design wise||

[white jungle]

||I still wouldn't want to see it in normal levels of play. I don't really wanna see any box legend amongst regular mons. That's really my entire point. I don't like this idea of "oh our god-like creature of awesome power is ruining the meta because we stupidly let it be legal? Sure make it weaker" because that's boriiiing.||

||I wanna see all bigger legends be as stupidly busted as eachother. I want them to be in a tier of their own.||

[urban owl]

||cough they are restricted mons in tournaments for a reason tho cough cough ||

[white jungle]

||Let the normal mons duke it out amongst themselves||

[urban owl]

||These werent because they wanted to show them off, and because the signatures fit the meta well||

||However, Zacien was banned relatively quickly if I remember correctly in official tournament rules, so its okay there ||

[white jungle]

||Why bother then, like I said just don't nerf it and make all the other important legends equally stupidly busted.||

[urban owl]

||To fix an outlier, make everything match it? That my friend is an incredibly DANGEROUS mindset to have||

[white jungle]

||Regigigas with Huge Power, Teravolt now ignores type immunities.||

||Give Dialga the ability to revive allies by rewinding time||

||God is dead these are it's replacements||

[urban owl]

0.o

Sir

[white jungle]

||It would only be dangerous if these monsters were allowed into normal levels of play, I don't WANT that boring shit of "here's an obviously super strong box legendary, we'll nerf it just enough so it's still the best choice for its role but won't get banned from tournaments teehee"||

||I WANT GODS||

[urban owl]

||All of those with the exception of Teravolt are far more busted than Zacian EVER was||

[white jungle]

||I WANT THESE GIANT FREAKS TO BE COMPLETELY AT ODDS WITH ALL SENSE OF NORMALCY||

[urban owl]

||You are playing with fire and need some help||

[white jungle]

||NO NERFS, ONLY BUFFS||

||IF SOMEONE IS TOO POWERFUL JUST BRING THE OTHERS UP A PEG||

[urban owl]

||remind me to send a mass email to all gaming companies telling them not to let you on their balancing teams||

[white jungle]

||THEY DON'T NEED BALANCE IF THEY AREN'T ALLOWED AMONGST THE BALANCED||

||LET THEM BATTLE IN A HELLISH CHAOTIC LANDSCAPE OF THEIR OWN DESIGN||

[urban owl]

||They are tho. Its called Ubers||

||Ubers has Garchomp and Mega-Charizards, and other relatively normal mons in it||

||The legendary teir does not just have only legends||

[white jungle]

||UBERS ISN'T ENOUGH, I SEE NON LEGENDARIES IN THERE ALL THE TIME. I WANT THE LEGENDARIES HIGHER.||

[urban owl]

||The regular mons are allowed in there as well. Its why nerfs exist||

[white jungle]

||K I L L G O D||

[urban owl]

||With each sentence, I feel the logic from this debate slipping||

||Like mario hitting a banana peel in mario kart||

[white jungle]

||It's not a debate if I'm right, attempting to balance Pokémon like Zacian to try and get them in tournaments will just allow them to flourish as a now weaker but still best choice||

||With my way, no Pokémon will remain a best choice forever. Power creep will render the Chaos meta in a constant state of entropy.||

[urban owl]

||Maybe not though. by being weaker, its counters can now flourish and change it up||

||No one can say it "wont do anything". What it says on paper means nothing. Its the experience that tells us things||

[urban owl]

||Untrue, because there are some changes that can absolutely ruin things. Even now, there are still legends that are banned upon release that go under the radar||

||its not just Zacien thats banned, and quite frankly to boost everything will make the meta the same||

||Cuz now everything is just on even playing feild, and depending on how they get changed they can be so much worse and create the same problem again||

[white jungle]

||And with my methodology, things will be boosted to match whatever "ruined" the meta||

[urban owl]

||thats the thing though. Nothing has ruined the meta when they nerf things to match||

||When you buff things, the volatility of the ban list and meta exponentially increase with more ways it can go wrong||

[white jungle]

||what ban list? My new tier has no ban list||

||It should be volatile they're gods||

[urban owl]

||Thats just not fun and enjoyable >.>||

[white jungle]

||Give Kyurem Black speed boost for all I care||

[urban owl]

||The chaos makes it pointless||

[white jungle]

||It's magical animal rock paper scissors but most of the time instead of covering rock or smashing scissors we just switch out our scissors because we know paper can learn fire type moves.||

||It's already pointless. I'd just rather use legendaries as an opportunity to see how deep the rabbit hole goes.||

[urban owl]

||Thats how it is now without the chaos and stupidity of anything just blowing back something for no reason||

||Its not pointless now though. You can actually have a skillful battle, whereas your method is just who gets a win con out first, because there is no reasonable counter to it||

||If you buff the power of everything, and untouch the rest, you just get a meta of speed and nothing else, because it wont need anything else||

[white jungle]

||You can't leave "the rest" untouched if you buff everything, by definition||

[urban owl]

||You have told no defensive buffs whatseover tbf||

[white jungle]

||Unless "the rest" refers to non legendaries, which wouldn't apply to this tier, so it wouldn't matter||

[white jungle]

||Palkia now has the ability to bend space and time to have a chance at avoiding any move||

||Also Kyurem's extra cold ice is now resistant to steel, rock and fighting||

||Hoops Unbound has a new ability which transfers part of the damage done to it back at the attacker through a portal||

||Intrepid shield now also boosts special defense.||

[viscid adder]

https://tenor.com/view/why-what-in-the-hell-oh-god-pizza-house-on-fire-gif-15536410

[white jungle]

||Deoxys defense has wonder guard.||

[urban owl]

||legendaries are not some mystic being above the rest. Thats not the point of how anything so far in Pokemon. They are strong and rare, but at the end of the day, they are pokemon Like the rest of them. They arent supposed to be busted beyond belief. Thats why they are nerfed||

[meager oasis]

Beautiful

[white jungle]

||If everyone's super...||

[viscid adder]

https://tenor.com/view/backup-gif-25086097

[urban owl]

||At the end of the day, many "normal" mons can still go toe to toe with legends, and thats the point of the nerfs. Few people want them to be the anarchical powers you describe||

||Their meta/tier would be in such chaos that no one would play it||

[white jungle]

||Even talking seriously about this, box legendaries will always be prominent because they have busted stats. Nerfing them so that you can allow them in tournaments, competitions, etc is boring because they're still good they just have counters. You'll still see them a lot and frankly it's boring. I'd rather they kept legendaries at least slightly too powerful to be used amongst regular mons, and buffed normal weak Pokémon to compete at the top of regular play.||

[urban owl]

||Metas get boring. Its why people give shit to lando-T. Good mons are prevalent because they are good ||

[white jungle]

||Nerfing Zacian feels like a waste of time which could be spent giving actual reworks to weaker, unused Pokémon||

[urban owl]

||If you can counter them, it means you wont lose instantly and you can still have fun, even if it is overused. Boring or not, its still fine. Making them completely busted will just prove the opposite of what you say||

||Ive played games that balance like that. And believe me, someone will always give. Wether thats the players or the balancing team||

[white jungle]

||Maybe it the players and balancing team are fucking nerds lmaooooo||

||Adaptability Genesect ftw||

[urban owl]

||maybe its just you >.>||

[white jungle]

||Nah.||

[urban owl]

||Funny enough, that would be weaker||

[white jungle]

||Ho-Oh should get the new revival move tbh||

||It's fucking Ho-Oh||

[viscid adder]

checks to see if this is still going

...

Ok. I think it's over.

[hazy scarab]

Wait why are people acting like nerfing the sword doggo is a bad thing

[viscid adder]

knows that epoch will come and see your comment

[hazy scarab]

who the hell is epoch

[viscid adder]

dude, read the whole convo

anyway, I'll come back when this is over
teleports away

[viscid adder]

||https://twitter.com/i/status/1591621069982797826||
||How palafin works:||

[meager oasis]

||why is the greedents eyes open even though its asleep?||

[urban owl]

I would like to apologize

I mean, old news, but apologies never hurt anyone

[viscid adder]

hey it's alright

you're alright to express your opinions

I was just not expecting it to get so heated

[urban owl]

Didnt mean it too

But chaos energy has other plans lol

[patent rivet]

Why are you posting these screenshots with deleted images?

[viscid adder]

||because it was what I found available at the time||

||i'll purge it||

[little whale]

Here is what my planned team is:
||Mewoscarada||
||Dachsbun||
||Palafin||
Magnezone
Espeon
||Future Volcarona||

[vestal aurora]

||isn't wugtrio nose white?||

[lament glen]

@wanton idol Not sure how you've made your sprites before, but this docs has high quality versions of all the icons
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/14DoKTKdL9Dtea3qiJ2Q3JffTEco61R0p

[forest egret]

Oh finally, non-blurry images of all the new dudes

||Hehe funny hamer||

I actually like these little icons, I think they're neat

[lament glen]

Compared to the Poopy Pearl icons, these look fine to me ~~Or maybe they're the same and I'm just too biased, who knows ~~

[forest egret]

They are indeed the same

[meager oasis]

||Maybe the icons are the official art||

[forest egret]

From a glance I think the way they make them is by tracing 3D models

[meager oasis]

Probably

[wanton idol]

lmfao nice, ive been making them from compressed images

[compact sequoia]

||oh my God I just looked at the paradox stuff for violet and one of my favorite mons gets a form!!!!!||

[forest egret]

||Oh yeah? Nice, which dude?||

[compact sequoia]

||hariyama apparently, idk if I should send a spoilered image or not but it's him alright||

[forest egret]

||You can if you like. He is pretty cool and I love him a lot||

[wanton idol]

time to sprite pawmeez nuts

[compact sequoia]

||the fact i named my shiny hariyama from ultra sun after a robot character was made ten times funnier||

[forest egret]

||He's cool yeah. Dude's name is "Iron Hands"||

[compact sequoia]

||I already have a hariyama on my list of team comp for the gen, I might replace it with this variant... and name it after a non-robotic character (if it's shiny locked, which it prolly is sadly)||

[forest egret]

||Here's his Shiny btw||

[compact sequoia]

||actually on that topic, any shiny locks been found in the game yet?||

[forest egret]

||Not too sure myself||

[compact sequoia]

||this pleases my palette brain, robot with minimalist palette pog||

[forest egret]

||Ye all the robos are silver for their shinies||

[compact sequoia]

||also did I mention my favorite design quirk is disembodied limbs||

[forest egret]

||It's one of mine too||

[compact sequoia]

||hence why I liked the character jasper so much in psychonauts, his head being free-floating adds a lot of expression to his animations he wouldn't otherwise have due to his body type||

||crap sorry brain went on autopilot||

||what other mons are getting future forms? I'm excited for robos.||

[forest egret]

All these dudes for ||Future Paradoxes||

[compact sequoia]

||I thought there were 8 each not including the legendary, huh...||

[forest egret]

||There is also Future Virizion but that'll be a DLC mon||

[compact sequoia]

||I see.||

||I think imma hold off on actually buying the games until we find out what's locked and what isn't. I'm gonna be mad if I can't get the shiny robots.||

[forest egret]

||Currently Koraidon and Miraidon are the only ones confirmed as Shiny Locked, the others we don't know yet||

[compact sequoia]

||also, I can't believe pawmi is the first (not counting Marill) pikaclone to evolve||

||but he looks like he would happily commit crimes||

[forest egret]

Looking nice

[compact sequoia]

||overall, I have suprisingly high hopes for scarlet and violet, at least for designs. I hope the gameplay isn't awful||

[wanton idol]

lol way better than the old ver

[compact sequoia]

||it's beautiful||

[vestal aurora]

||It's also a fake shiny||

[compact sequoia]

||of course it is, watch them make it vomit green||

[vestal aurora]

||Actually only the eye colour changes||

[compact sequoia]

||send proof||

||is it as bad for the other one, too?||

||just Googled it. beyond disappointed.||

||get 1 win, get 5 losses, that's the modern pokemon way.||

[vestal aurora]

||All shinies so people don't have to search for them all the time||

[white jungle]

||Shiny spidops sweep||

[compact sequoia]

||some of these designs are honestly really great, for the mons that is, I wouldn't know half the shiny comparisons.||

||that flamingo is going to be the bane of my existence though||

[icy forge]

||Is just me or the Tauros and Primeape evo are the same?||

[forest egret]

||Annhiliape is more blue now but the Tauros do look literally the same lol||

[forest egret]

||Flamigo is literally just a regular looking Flamingo and I don't get it, I though we moved past this type of thing long ago lol but I guess not||

[compact sequoia]

||I can see annihilape, but Tauros evo? which one?||

||also the orca cetitan has to be my favorite of the shinies, hands down.||

[forest egret]

||Paldean Tauros is at the bottom, next to Wooper||

[compact sequoia]

||I thought they meant there was a Tauros evo||

[vestal aurora]

||Flamigo is a fun friend shaped floaty||

[forest egret]

||His regular colour is black, the shiny is just a tiny different shade of black||

[compact sequoia]

||and this is why scarlet and violet has a perfect mon to name Edgar, yet I'm still getting future hariyama for it because that shiny sucks||

[forest egret]

||Regular vs Shiny||

[compact sequoia]

||They swap mane color and body color, y'know... the colors with barely any difference||

||should have swapped main body and horn colors imo||

||Either that, or shuffle em all around.||

[forest egret]

||I'll admit I was worried when I first saw Paldean Tauros since he's not that special compared to regular Tauros, but his other 2 forms are pretty cool and I like them a lot||

[compact sequoia]

||Very fun gimmick, great way to bring new life to a non-evolving mon||

||perhaps the shiny makes up for it with unique colors on the lines for the forms||

[forest egret]

||Oh no they've got the same problem as regular Paldean Tauros lol||

[compact sequoia]

||bruh||

||I'm kinda upset with sprigatito's and fuecoco's final evos, with sprigatito being the worst of the 2. honestly, I'm fine with quaxly's evo line.||

[forest egret]

||I like Quaquaval and Skeledirge a lot but I don't really care for Meowscarada||

[compact sequoia]

||meowscarada is underdetailed for a starter final form, it has the same issue as inteleon.||

||for skeledirge, i'm just upset the flame hair thing went nowhere and was just replaced with a thermostat.||

||Quaquaval is honestly quite good, it's humanoid but with enough flair to not look like a cheap costume, as well as having a vibe I really like.||

[forest egret]

||Plus he looks like this in motion||

[compact sequoia]

||OH MY GOD AMAZING||

||HE GROOVE||

||This may be my favorite starter.||

[forest egret]

||He's up there for me for sure. It's funny because I didn't like him at first when it was just his blurry icon leaked, but now he's equal to Skeledirge for me||

[compact sequoia]

||I honestly loathed how he looked when he was first being leaked, but seeing the design in it's full glory has me convinced.||

||I love playing pokemon games where I can use my starter because I genuinely like their designs, unlike sword and shield.||

||I feel like it's insanely lucky that not only is there 2 good starters this time round (1 per game, no indecisiveness), and the only bad one is the least relevant of the type trio.||

[white jungle]

||Has protean though lmao||

||I think Meowscarada is overhated but it was destined to be the worst because Sprigatito was the worst, it was boring as fuck from the get go||

[compact sequoia]

||I just hate it because it's bad.||

||Statwise it can be great, that doesn't excuse the actual design of the pocket monster||

[vestal aurora]

||it's not bad, it's just not as cool as the others imo||

[white jungle]

||It's just a mascarade cat it's not that bad||

||I think it looks cool, the others are just better||

[compact sequoia]

||I wish the dress part had more detail, it looks so... empty, y'know?||

[white jungle]

||I like the magician theme||

||They did better than any quadrupedal design I've seen||

||Those were all boring af||

||"It BETTER not stands up it BETTER be a tiger covered in leaves 🤓"||

[compact sequoia]

||I could care less if it stands up, my favorite of the 3 is a literal dancer. just give the design enough detail so it doesn't look like it stole a dress from my gram's house||

[white jungle]

||Personally I just wish it was a support Mon||

||That makes way more sense to me than a physical attacker that's nearly on par with Quaquaval||

||I get that they wanted a protean user for each type but you can at least diversify their playstyles||

[compact sequoia]

||fr. I feel like they made quaquaval first now that you mention that, meowscarada suddenly feels very afterthought-y||

||plus to be fair, I haven't seen meowscarada in motion yet, maybe it gets additional detail in battle like quaquaval's peafowl feathers||

[white jungle]

||Animations are a big part of a Pokémon's appeal and it's what they got so wrong about Incineroar||

[compact sequoia]

||I'm trying not to critique the games too harshly, they're stepping in the right direction.||

[white jungle]

||Incineroar is a great design but his main game animations suck ass. Then they put him in Smash and suddenly he was redeemed.||

[compact sequoia]

||I've learned nothing of the actual gameplay though||

[white jungle]

||Because he got to have those cocky douchebag animations instead of a weird grasping hand||

[compact sequoia]

||Yeah, incineroar would do great if he went through a random assortment of taunts as his idle, like how fake wrestling is all about the showmanship||

[white jungle]

||I think character designs are pretty forgettable this gen tbh. At least with like most of the gym leaders and elite 4. Outside of them things are pretty decent I guess.||

||The exceptions being Larry, who is so bland looking and tired that he's memorable, I still think he's gonna end up being the next Tumblr sexyman||

||And the champion||

[forest egret]

||This is terrifying||

[meager oasis]

uh oh...

[compact sequoia]

||god this story is probably gonna give me an aneurysm||

||not much gets worse than "power crisis in 1000 years, let's end the world now!"||

[forest egret]

||This is obviously subjective of course but I'm really curious on how this will end up||

[meager oasis]

interesting

[vestal aurora]

||ok so story has to fake it till it makes it🚎 ||

[compact sequoia]

||Excited to see what this'll mean.||

[meager oasis]

||if its linear doesnt that make it bad? that sentence is confusing me||

[compact sequoia]

||but so long as paradox mons aren't shiny locked I'm fine, unless there's an overwhelming amount of horrible new things implemented.||

[forest egret]

||Linear probably means that it's something you have to do in a specific sequence, unlike the rest of the game which lets you do story parts whenever||

[meager oasis]

oh

[compact sequoia]

||does the sandwich making have cheese as an ingredient||

[forest egret]

The game has 3 stories and you can progress through them however you want, as outlined in the trailer

[forest egret]

It has Ham so, maybe

[compact sequoia]

||if so I hope to make an all cheese sandwich stacked all the way to the limit, something that would bring a tear to the eye of Wallace and gromit.||

[forest egret]

The Wenslydale Cheese Sandwich™️

[compact sequoia]

||i totally imagine sandwich making is gonna be like that one burger video where the robotic voice just kept saying to add more cheese, patties, and butter until the "burger" was just a congealed mass of artery cement.||

[smoky bison]

||Best story in the franchise literally says nothing ||

[lament glen]

||And even then it's probably not true because at least Mystery Dungeon 2 exists||

Didn't know this was a possible form

[white jungle]

||Honestly I wish Kingambit just didn't follow you if they didn't want it to stand up||

||It should just sit there as you run into the distance||

[lament glen]

Why, what does it do now?

[vestal aurora]

||it walks ||

[white jungle]

||Glides||

[vestal aurora]

||do you have a video, cause that sounds poggers||

[limpid depot]

||After looking at the leaks for a while these are the only things that make me feel actual hatred
There's something that feels deeply wrong about them and it makes me want to kill||

[wanton idol]

suffering with these hands

[last jolt]

||what would be the best nature for fuecoco?||

||would jolly be good or modest?||

[vestal aurora]

||boost speed decrease attack i think||

[odd cave]

Probably modest or bold

[supple fern]

Not even SFM is safe from leaks

[viscid adder]

||a family with one kid||

[viscid adder]

||Its hair does the walking||

[cobalt thicket]

||For those unsure about which game they buy, I would recommend choosing based on the legend you prefer and NOT the paradox forms you prefer. The catchable paradox forms are essentially postgame and are always tradable, but your ride Pokémon is exclusive to your game||

[white jungle]

||Cringe||

||Choose based on the hot professor||

||(Scarlet)||

[cobalt thicket]

Lmao

||I guess that’s also exclusive too||

||But you barely see them until near postgame||

[white jungle]

||Also choose to support the cooler pseudo exclusives regardless of trading||

||Aka Tyranitar||

||Salamence is cool Tyranitar is simply better||

[vestal aurora]

||that's why scarlet is the better game||

[white jungle]

||Chad's support best boy T-tar and the hot professor. Even if, admittedly, the purple looks cooler on the uniform.||

||But to be fair, Miraidon will only be cooler for one game. As soon as we move into the next gen it'll be in permanent penis mode||

[vestal aurora]

||koraidon best boy||

[white jungle]

||I think in general we should also acknowledge how op both of them are working together. In the past Pokémon like Groudon and Kyogre have kinda worked against eachother but as Sunny Day and Electric Terrain are on entirely different levels of the field, both can be active at once||

||So all paradox Mons as well as their respective legends can be used together and receive all their benefits||

||There aren't even any water type robo Mons so they don't get their stab weakened||

[vestal aurora]

||isn't delibird water/ice||

[lament glen]

The only thing I care about is which one has Dragalge

[vestal aurora]

honestly same tomate

if scarlet doesn't have dragalge i'm trading one asap

[lament glen]

🤝

[white jungle]

||Ah yes I forgot||

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMF5ypArC/

Even chodizard has improved

[odd cave]

epic

[lilac needle]

honestly I'm beginning to feel optimistic about the game in general

[cobalt thicket]

||Scarlet does have it||

The game is really good

[wanton idol]

so it stands more like hggs charizard now

pretty cool

or bw cant rmember

[vestal aurora]

both

i think

[cobalt thicket]

I wasn’t sure if I was gonna buy the game because recently Nintendo and the Pkmn company (other than PLA) has not been giving me confidence in game quality but these games are incredible

||The only issue I have with the game so far is that the only paradox form I’ve seen at all is the donphan form since it’s a titan and I’m at the elite 4||

The gameplay is solid tho

[icy forge]

If I am not wrong Dragalge and Clawitzer are in both games

[lament glen]

Thats my current understanding as well

But they are traditionally version exclusives, so I'm still cautious

[cobalt thicket]

||I’ve seen a trainer with clawitzer and a wild dralgage so far but I haven’t looked for them specifically yet ||

[icy forge]

Also If, again, information is not wrong the only exclusives are: Fire Megaman, Bagon and Larvitar Line, Bronzor Sinistea

And Stonjourner and Eiscue

[cobalt thicket]

||I’ve seen bronzer and sinistea in scarlet||

[icy forge]

And ||The Paradox|| of course

[lament glen]

How is the performance? From what I've seen, that is by far the biggest problem with the game so far (and with the whole switch era of games). That and clunky controls I'd say

[icy forge]

Oh.

I am lost then

Maybe are hacked

[white jungle]

||I mean realistically raids mean nothing is exclusive right?||

[cobalt thicket]

I actually have a pc version, but my friend has a switch version and we’ve been playing along and I have heard no complaints about performance

The pc version is rough

Since it’s not made for pc

I’m asking them rq for you

[lament glen]

Just so you know, I also count stuff like pop-in as performance issues, and from what I've seen, this game is terrible when it comes to that

[cobalt thicket]

Yeah the range for Pokémon pop-in is shorter than PLA but terrain and trees don’t have that I believe. But as far as console and control performance they told me it runs a stable 30fps, and the controls are perfect

[lament glen]

Riding on your legi through a town just looks super clunky to me

but we'll see I guess

[cobalt thicket]

There are some weird parts in towns like walking boca look like they are walking in like 5fps it’s kinda weird

But the towns aren’t that big so most of the gameplay is gonna be out in the world and you don’t really see that out there

Like backgrounds for gym battles with npcs watching and cheering and stuff, the npc movement is really weird looking

[lament glen]

What about trainers? ||Are there many of them that use more than just 1 mon for once?||

[cobalt thicket]

||All trainers are optional and from my limited experience it’s 1-3 mons, I usually train by getting xp candies from dens or using the “auto battle” feature where you send your Pokémon out in the over world and it runs around and fights without your commands||

[lament glen]

Yeah thats not how I'm gonna play the game at all

[cobalt thicket]

I’ve got work so I can’t talk much more atm

[lament glen]

||To me exp candies is cheating||

off to work with you! 🏃‍♂️

[lament glen]

Confirmation via lé dude

[forest egret]

Sea hors

[inner kernel]

Rad

[white jungle]

Oh, this is a simple way of telling what version to get

Get Scarlet because Hydreigon > Dragapult

[lament glen]

Both are lame compared to Dragalge tho, everyone knows that

[inner kernel]

Dang I'm getting violet but I love dragalge

Gonna have to do a trade

[vestal aurora]

but skrelp is in the violet list

[urban owl]

Dragalge is supreme dragon

dont @ me

[vestal aurora]

we won't cause it's true

[urban owl]

Like legit, one of my favorite designs in X/Y

Tho I will admit, Clawitzer kinda slaps too

[icy forge]

Name of Youtuber? 🤔

[lament glen]

Just google the name of the games and anything after it and the first 5 videos will 100% be him

[vestal aurora]

it's austin john plays

[icy forge]

I find them. Thanks

||Well. I miss Dragapult but at Least I can have all Tauros for myself||

[cobalt thicket]

Back for a sec, ||candies don’t feel as powerful as SWSH since the dens are spread out more then the wild area so they aren’t super abundant|| ok back to work 🫡

[cobalt thicket]

||I seen a skrep in game tho how 🤯||

Maybe I’m trippin

[lament glen]

weird

[cobalt thicket]

Yeah I’ll have to actually search around when I get home

Will keep updated

🫡

[lament glen]

You can check your dex too I guess. Feel free to ping me with your results

[cobalt thicket]

True

Bet

It seems a lot of y’all wanna know so I def will

[inner kernel]

He posted a video like an hour ago that said the opposite tho

https://youtu.be/IgWy3cla-bw

[quiet frost]

Holy mac moly, I just realized something about the starters from gen 6 - 8! (and maybe 9)

All of them are standing up except primarina, do you guys think this will continue in gen 9?

[lament glen]

I mean, I could give you the answer...

[vestal aurora]

I already know the answer to that

[quiet frost]

Look I just really hope sprigatito is going quadrupedal.

[vestal aurora]

I also know the answer to that

[quiet frost]

welp, I'm just praying for it to be some cool lynx pokemon STANDING ON FOUR FEET, IM PLACING BRICKS ON THAT CAT!

since incineroar is already the standing cat of the starters

[lament glen]

If you really don't want to be spoiled, you really shouldnt be in this chat my guy

We use spoiler tags for most stuff, but there will inevitably be a lot of stuff leaking through in a channel like this this close to release

[quiet frost]

Oh well thanks, I thought this channel was for discussing what we think will happen in SV

[vestal aurora]

yeah we're 4 days away from release the internet hasn't been safe in the last 5 days or so

[forest egret]

It is, and you're still welcome to do so

Because of the leaks now there's always the risk, so it's up to you if you wanna chance it

[lament glen]

For example, you really shouldn't click on this if you don't wanna know the 3rd legendary

[forest egret]

[viscid adder]

||oh you sweet naïve summer child...||

[compact sequoia]

||I feel so bad for them||

[white jungle]

Here's a spoiler for what happens in gen 9

Iron Man dies.

[viscid adder]

||wellllll..... you aren't wrong, per se....||

[forest egret]

||Yeah they would never be able to infer what you mean from that post Where they can see the unspoilered image of their own comment||

[viscid adder]

||ass saved||

[forest egret]

[white jungle]

||Honestly this spoiler stuff gets irritating after a while||

||Next game, can we all learn thieve's cant?||

[viscid adder]

||give it a week or two after release, and then we can be free from the spoiler tags||

[white jungle]

||Or develop spoiler's cant||

||Don't want spoilers don't learn the language||

||We can just use french! No one speaks French because it's a fake country, like Narnia||

[forest egret]

After a while this channel will be obliterated and you'll be able to talk about SV freely everywhere

[compact sequoia]

||or just keep finding excuses to say "not since the incident" when talking with people who wish to remain unspoiled||

[viscid adder]

Oh, so ninja brian is gonna nuke this channel soon

fantastic

[white jungle]

||I wanna kiss Larry on his open mouth||

[compact sequoia]

||who is larry?||

[white jungle]

||I'm done speculating that Larry is gonna become the next Tumblr sexyman, I'm doing it myself||

[vestal aurora]

||larry is the normal gym leader||

[viscid adder]

||...larry.||

[vestal aurora]

||cause he's the only one with a normal name ||

[cobalt thicket]

||Is larry supposed to be a food reviewer or just a plain businessman cuz I never understood that entirely||

[white jungle]

||LISTEN HEAR ME OUT||

||HE'S KINDA...||

[viscid adder]

||more normal that norman, or lenora, or whitney, or cheren, or ilima.||

[white jungle]

||Maybe it's just because so many of the other gym leaders/E4 members are boring||

||But he reminds me of PLA Ingo||

[cobalt thicket]

||There is a literal child in the e4||

[white jungle]

||And INGO GOT THIRD IN THE TUMBLR SEXYMAN CONTEST||

[compact sequoia]

||hehehhehe what is this goofy ahh design||

[white jungle]

||Do you not recognise a Chad when you see it?||

[compact sequoia]

||he looks like a high detail Mii that had it's mouth settings goofed with||

||not saying it's a bad look, i find it goofy||

[white jungle]

||Honestly I think, with the exception of Larry, these non-colourful characters are kinda a bust. They have their cool details but all the memorable character designs are like Nemona, Grusha, the professor's, and they all have colour||

||Larry, like I said, is the exception for multiple reasons||

||1. Normal gym leader, normal ass design, fits
2. Tumblr Sexyman appeal, he's gonna stay memorable once they get their claws into him
3. His name is Larry.||

||You don't forget a Larry.||

[viscid adder]

||bruh
you just called a rapper, a streamer, a gardener, two androgynous looking people, two chefs, a child, and an edgy gardener boring||

[white jungle]

||I forgot about the streamer but I'll be fair, that design isn't forgettable, she just hasn't made an impression on me as a character yet||

||But as for the rest ehhhhh||

||Their personalities may stick em more in my mind||

[viscid adder]

||i think seeing them in action could change things||

[white jungle]

||But a lot of them are seriously devoid of colour or unique enough detail||

[lament glen]

The designs are fine

[white jungle]

||I think the Gardener dude does it pretty well, because he kinda contrasts what we've seen in past grass users||

[lament glen]

Character in pokemon games are just (almost) always bad in general

[white jungle]

Cringe opinion! You're being kicked off the island!

If you have a Strange Souvenir from one of the trials to save yourself now is the time to show it

[lament glen]

Gen 7 had a few decent characters... until their arcs got ruined in the ultra games

[compact sequoia]

this reminds me of my days fishing, the smell of bait never leaves your mind

[meager oasis]

I generally don’t care much about characters

Most of them anyway

Shauntel is my favourite character only because she was the first time I saw a chandelure one of my favourite pokemon

[white jungle]

I wish they'd just done more with Benga in Black 2 White 2, such a cool design and the grandson of the old Champion? And he's running around with Latios/Latias? Should have been a second rival

His energy would even mesh pretty well with Hugh, and another rival like in the first games could have led to more conversation than Hugh (love him but 😬) just talking about that fucking purrloin all the time