Stop talking about memeikyu
#pokemon-winds-waves
forest egret
white jungle
Actually it's pronounced "Mime-icky-oo"
wide iris
He wanted to keep talking about it
fickle birch
Stop talking about memeikyu
Let me do the IPA first. 😂
forest egret
I know, it's directed to both
wide iris
It's ignorant and haughty to want to force every language convention to fit one's own, especially in a series as multinational as pokemon
forest egret
The #other-pokemon-games channel is looking mighty barren rn, if you wanna debate in a non-hostile manner, then like, go there instead
vestal aurora
I just realised how powerfull normal terra boomburst toxtricity with punk rock might be
forest egret
That does sound pretty good yeah
white jungle
Exploud with extra steps
quiet frost
I just realised how powerfull normal terra boomburst toxtricity with punk rock m...
Untill you realise it's still a trash pokemon
white jungle
Honestly I kinda wish instead of having an ability for it, toxtricity instead had its own form of gear-shift (which it already uses, but the attack boost has no function)
quiet frost
Toxtricity is a cool mon
Yeah i like him, he is awesome in design, but his 75 speed ruined him
white jungle
It could have had a 2x speed, 1.5x special attack boost signature
quiet frost
even with scarf he is too slow
white jungle
Frankly, that almost sounds like what overdrive could have been if it wasn't an attacking move
And then it's ability could have been something else
forest egret
I'm just interested in seeing Adaptability with this gimmick
quiet frost
It could have had a 2x speed, 1.5x special attack boost signature
Bad idea
These types of moves should only be on bad mons
quiet frost
I'm just interested in seeing Adaptability with this gimmick
Hopefully it gets insta banned on smogon
like dmax
wanton idol
did the trailer come out yet 🚎
quiet frost
Megas were awesome, z moves were okay, dynamax sucks and this new gimmick seems to suck as well
wanton idol
did i miss it or what
white jungle
Eh, I hope it doesn't
forest egret
Megas were awesome, z moves were okay, dynamax sucks and this new gimmick seems ...
They're still battling
quiet frost
did the trailer come out yet 🚎
No!
forest egret
Oh wrong reply whoops
white jungle
Terastalising's worst part is how fucking stupid it looks
It's actually concept wouldn't be bad, I just find it irritating that you can have like a fire ice cream with no aesthetic change
forest egret
I'm ok with it but I can't deny that it's goofy ig
white jungle
And frankly it does seem like it could make some Pokémon op that were weak before
So I'm all for it, because that's hilarious
forest egret
Yeah that part I'm excited to see too
white jungle
I didn't like the temporary nature of dmax but if terastalising works more like megas and sticks around through the battle, it'll be a right laugh to see people get pissy about it
forest egret
I wanna see what this actually does for each pokemon
quiet frost
Shedinja electric with air balloon
Now every team will 100% need at least 2 toxic/burners/stealth rockers
white jungle
I wanna see what this actually does for each pokemon
There are a load of hypothetical combos with weak Mons who have like interesting or good abilities that their typing currently lets them get no use of
And that's not even mentioning Mons with movesets made up of 80% attacks which aren't stab
quiet frost
All i am asking for is a decent metagame, pwease showdown, ban that shit
fickle birch
Terastalising's worst part is how fucking stupid it *looks*
I prefer it to Dynamaxing a lot. 😄
quiet frost
I prefer it to Dynamaxing a lot. 😄
Honestly same
fickle birch
At least the crystal textures look cool. Dynamaxing just upscaled models. 😦
white jungle
I prefer it to Dynamaxing a lot. 😄
I agree but just not in regards to appearance. Pokémon looking big kept their proportions, and some Gmax did look good.
fickle birch
The hats, yes, are stupid, I'd have preferred something like a brooch with the type logo or something. 😦
wanton idol
lol thank god we dont need to sprite those crystals for smogon
quiet frost
Making pokemon big was fun once and never again, because you literally only use it to stomp on gym leaders like the game wasn't already made for a dog to be able to beat it
white jungle
The hats, yes, are stupid, I'd have preferred something like a brooch with the t...
I'd have preferred they just have a coloured crystal effect, with a specific feature on every Pokémon model which changes colour between typings
E.g. eyes
Or another specific area on the model
Nothing big, just a tiny palette swap
quiet frost
Dynamax was so op it was banned even from uber and only available in AG
white jungle
To at least signify that This Thing Now Belongs In This Type
wide iris
it's hard to just do color coded things with something meant to be so accessible as pokemon
white jungle
Dynamax was so op it was banned even from uber and only available in AG
See I don't even care about gimmicks being op, it's just that strong as it was dynamax was so fucking boring to me
wide iris
because of the uncommon case of some people not being able to see the colors
fickle birch
I'd have preferred they just have a coloured crystal effect, with a specific fea...
I thought this too, but colours would be difficult, yeah. 😅
white jungle
it's hard to just do color coded things with something meant to be so accessible...
The crystal could also be complimented by an aura (which I think we may have seen already) based on each type for aesthetic and extra accessibility
quiet frost
it's hard to just do color coded things with something meant to be so accessible...
A dog could beat pokemon i bet
fickle birch
Using a broach for each of these icons would be a good solution, I think. 😄
wide iris
aura might be cool, like different particles
white jungle
I thought this too, but colours would be difficult, yeah. 😅
Would they though? If they just identified a little part on each Pokémon to change, it could literally be done by a bot. It would just be "change x on model to y colour"
quiet frost
I actually like the hats, they are funny
fickle birch
Would they though? If they just identified a little part on each Pokémon to chan...
I think it'd be too subtle. 😅
quiet frost
Dragonite or garchomp with a flower head is adorable
wide iris
Would they though? If they just identified a little part on each Pokémon to chan...
it wouldn't be hard to do but it would be hard to do in a way that everyone will sufficiently notice
fickle birch
Like Rock and Ground, or Grass and Bug, having similar colours. Or the many blue-themed types. 😂
white jungle
it wouldn't be hard to do but it would be hard to do in a way that *everyone* wi...
Oh no I'm not arguing that specifically that's why I'd also be in favour of a very distinct and noticeable aura, the model swap would really just be the cherry on top for me with Pokémon like Vanilluxe
forest egret
I'm surprised they didn't do something with those element icons honestly
Seems like the obvious choice atleast
white jungle
Hell, on Vanilluxe specifically you could have the actual ice cream turn the colour of each type like different flavours
That would be great
wide iris
That would be neat
white jungle
But the main signifier would have to be more obvious I don't deny that
Just... Better ways to do it than a hat.
white jungle
I'm surprised they didn't do something with those element icons honestly
Do they ever have the elemental icons in the mainline games?
fickle birch
I'm surprised they didn't do something with those element icons honestly
It does seem obvious. Especially because some hats might get pretty weird. 😅
fickle birch
Do they ever have the elemental icons in the mainline games?
They exclusively use them now, yeah. 🙂
forest egret
The trailer had that one area with all the type icons but I don't remember if it was those ones specifically or not
white jungle
Ah so they do
quiet frost
Hell, on Vanilluxe specifically you could have the actual ice cream turn the col...
We are talking about an overworked company with no resources because Nintendo and pokemon company are trying to sell as much merch as possible
smoky bison
wtf THAT's shiny moltres??
white jungle
I thought they still just had the custom nameplates for the types
fickle birch
quiet frost
The day pokemon will only be profitable from games and people will stop buying shit, then the games maybe will be good
white jungle
We are talking about an overworked company with no resources because Nintendo an...
I really don't see model colour swaps that could be done automatically by a computer being harder than intricate hat designs even said hat designs can be copy pasted
At the end of the day it's just personal preference but I still think it's a case of cool concept, stupid aesthetic
quiet frost
I really don't see model colour swaps that could be done automatically by a comp...
Imagine designing color swaps for every single pokemon
And it would look horrible i bet with some types
wide iris
It is easier to run a program that just puts on a texture and aim for the head then it would be to recolor the multicolors of every pokemon
quiet frost
I am actually happy with tera design, just not with the effect
forest egret
I like weird glass stuff
white jungle
I just don't like dumb designs on gimmicks being the general case when inevitably said gimmick will be treated like a cool and powerful plot point, it would be like if the main legendary of a game was some legend hell-beast which eats kids and smokes and it's design was goofy as shit
I can already see how dumb it'll look for the anime unless they make it cooler somehow
forest egret
That reminds me, the last 2 gens had some super powerful antagonist pokemon, I assume this game's gonna have one too right
white jungle
Maybe something to do with ||paradox Mons||
Hell, maybe we'll meet whatever is creating distortions in space time?
But I feel like they'd wanna keep that under their sleeve for as long as possible considering all the wormhole and distortion plots are giving them like free content cuz they can just do whatever
forest egret
I could see that, you may want to spoiler that last part
white jungle
I could see that, you may want to spoiler that last part
Do we have to spoiler PLA stuff?
forest egret
Ohhh right, Yeah nevermind
white jungle
I was referring to the sort of general distortion/wormhole plots that keep popping up, which I feel would culminate well in a game literally about the past and future
But who knows maybe they won't return
forest egret
Yeah. I think at the very least, there's gonna be something like that probably since like there's returning Hisui dudes
white jungle
I mean as far as I'm aware PLA didn't clear anything up by the end, it didn't even allude to Dialga or Palkia causing the distortions?
Frankly Arceus just seemed concerned about the conflict with the legendaries, the distortions themselves were just happening at the same time
forest egret
Perhaps it's all to set up ||Paradox mons specifically, and that we'll get the explaination this game||
white jungle
Yeah. I think at the very least, there's gonna be something like that probably s...
I hope they do that in an interesting way like some sort of time-travel shenanigans but I could easily see them just letting you do it through Bank casually and not mention it much
forest egret
Hopefully. I mean the dudes are still fighting
white jungle
Like they may just have Hisuians running around and go "oh we brought them back in Paldea" and then you can transfer them no prob
wanton idol
it might be another video lol
forest egret
Maybe
fickle birch
Like they may just have Hisuians running around and go "oh we brought them back ...
Wasn't this the plot of Legends? Arceus wanted you to bring back the extinct Pokémon. 😄
Hisuian Zoroark is in SV, so it's not unreasonable for some of the others to be as well. 🙂
white jungle
Perhaps it's all to set up ||Paradox mons specifically, and that we'll get the e...
||See I am curious about paradox forms because of Suicune and Virizion specifically? Are they going to reveal more about the past of the Legendary Dogs and the Swords of Justice? Are they gonna be ancestors/descendants? Or will it just be that these Pokémon have/will live(d) so long that we meet variants from the past and future?||
white jungle
Wasn't this the plot of Legends? Arceus wanted you to bring back the extinct Pok...
I don't think so?? I don't remember that being explicitly stated anyway, it just wanted you to capture them? I don't think Arceus was like "PUT TWO OF EACH HISUIAN POKEMON ON AN ARC" but maybe that was the implication
fickle birch
||See I am curious about paradox forms because of Suicune and Virizion specifica...
||I genuinely think it was just their names starting with S and V that got them in. 😂||
wanton idol
still nothing
weird, might be after the battle
fickle birch
I assume it will be. They mentioned it coming after the closing ceremony. 🙂
white jungle
||I genuinely think it was just their names starting with S and V that got them ...
||Possibly but I'd wager it's more to do with how similar the Dogs and the Swords are||
quiet frost
I hope they do that in an interesting way like some sort of time-travel shenanig...
We are talking pokemon, considering how bad the story usually is, I wouldn’t expect anything
forest egret
Pokemon have bad main stories but there's little pieces sprinkled in that are nice
white jungle
Eh, I'd say only Sw/Sh had stories I didn't enjoy
And that was execution, not the concept itself
forest egret
That too, Sw/Sh's is the only one I find unlikeable. As stupid and simple as the others are you can atleast enjoy them
white jungle
I don't think most games have masterful storytelling or anything, but the original Sun and Moon had a lot of interesting concepts that maybe weren't perfect but did go pretty hard for a kid's game
quiet frost
That too, Sw/Sh's is the only one I find unlikeable. As stupid and simple as the...
PLA story
white jungle
X and Y were alright if a tad forgettable for me personally
quiet frost
PLA just keeps talking and talkin instead of setting me free
white jungle
the best pokemon story plot is pokepark
This
forest egret
Lusamine stuff was pretty cool, and I mean, the background storytelling of Guzma's house is such a good little piece of character lore
white jungle
Pokepark and Pokepark 2 are the Dark Souls of Pokémon
I will not elaborate, and I will now make a BuzzFeed article with that title
With which millennials will all rally to agree, frustrating Dark Souls players everywhere
That's what heroes do
forest egret
SV could have fun stuff in its story, I'm not discounting it right away
That principal dude or whatever does look like a twist villain but we'll see
white jungle
PLA's story was by no means bad in my opinion, but it was about as lackluster as I found the game as a whole?
fickle birch
PLA story <:Despair:850468339955924993>
I found it fun. Reminded me of Mystery Dungeon, especially during the latter half. 🙂
quiet frost
One thing i learned after playing sekiro and elden ring: most games that claim to be dark souls are much easier
white jungle
I enjoyed PLA don't get me wrong but it does feel like a very lacking game, and people have been saying that from the start
fickle birch
Legends is very much a proof-of-concept game. And they did prove the concept. 😄
forest egret
Probably because it was made in 5 seconds. They should stop doing that but at this point that's talking to a brick wall
white jungle
I mostly enjoyed the semi-open-worldness and the fact that it let me play Pokémon in a way that felt casual
Because I have a habit of stressing about EVs even when I just want to be a casual player
And other shit in the same vein
fickle birch
A guy in the Worlds stream just commented "That's a lotta damage!" and that brought me back to the joyous days of playing Battle Revolution. 😄
quiet frost
PLA was a breath of fresh air
And a good game
I just just wish the story wasn’t that bad
white jungle
I liked the characters but the lack of unique animation was grating as hell
quiet frost
Its boring and terribly uninteresting, and people in it talk way too much
forest egret
That's just pokemon games in general now
quiet frost
I liked the characters but the lack of unique animation was grating as hell
Well pokemon never had good animations
wanton idol
they seem to be done with the battles now
white jungle
I think actually between PLA and SV, they haven't messed up any NPC's in a while
forest egret
Ye they're done
quiet frost
At least in PLA they have some new ones
white jungle
Well pokemon never had good animations
Yeah but even Sw/Sh had some like leaning on hips and stuff
I'd prefer unique default poses to "IM DOING A FIST PUMP" "now I'm standing still :)"
Laventon looking like the Hunchback of Notre Dame
Someone make that man stand up straight
He's weighed down by PTSD
quiet frost
I'd prefer unique default poses to "IM DOING A FIST PUMP" "now I'm standing stil...
The disgusting double kick animations are unforgivable
Where pokemon just jump
Pla has objectively much better animations
fickle birch
The disgusting double kick animations are unforgivable
Double Kick used to be one of my favourite moves when my Blaziken used it in Emerald. Now it's just JPEG hop. 😢
white jungle
I mean I was talking NPC animations not Pokémon animations
lament glen
I'd prefer unique default poses to "IM DOING A FIST PUMP" "now I'm standing stil...
Thats such a low bar lol
Why not expect fully choreographed animations in cutscenes, like literally any other 3d aaa games have
quiet frost
But pokemon games are always trash visually anyways
white jungle
It's a different wheelhouse
PLA Mons had animation because that seems to be where their graphics budget went, assumedly because it's the first changes we've seen in years
quiet frost
Thats such a low bar lol
Why not expect fully choreographed animations in cutsc...
Because pokemon company and nintendo are greedy bitches
fickle birch
Thats such a low bar lol
Why not expect fully choreographed animations in cutsc...
Most profitable media franchise of all time. 😅
white jungle
PLA NPC's looked at you, talked, freaked out a little, continued looking at you
white jungle
Thats such a low bar lol
Why not expect fully choreographed animations in cutsc...
I do expect that, but that's so far afield from what it gave us that it's hard to even compare
forest egret
All the pokemon characters should be mocaped like the Donkey Kong Country Cartoon
white jungle
I don't care how sick people get of comparing BOTW to other open world games, it's perfectly acceptable to compare other open world games on the Switch to it because it literally set the bar
And PLA was on a different continent to it
The contrast is absurd, regardless of how fun PLA is
fickle birch
Legends wasn't really a BOTW-style game, though. With the semi-open zones you gain access to, it's more like Monster Hunter, apparently. 😮
I've not played Monster Hunter so I wouldn't know.
quiet frost
I don't care how sick people get of comparing BOTW to other open world games, it...
my dude it took 9 years to make botw
lament glen
Or like Xenoblaee 2
still not even close to being in the same league tho
white jungle
Legends wasn't really a BOTW-style game, though. With the semi-open zones you ga...
No but that doesn't mean they can't be compared in other senses.
quiet frost
Pla was half baked in under a year probably
lament glen
my dude it took 9 years to make botw
so?
Why doesnt gamefreak actually take the time to make a good game?
fickle birch
Or like Xenoblaee 2
still not even close to being in the same league tho
Oh for sure, it's still not close. 😂
quiet frost
Anyways, you guys want to laugh? Sword and shield sold 25 million copies
white jungle
Lack of resources is only an excuse for the people making the game, you can still complain about the game when there is a higher-up that those complaints apply to
forest egret
Doesn't this conversation get old 
quiet frost
And gamefreak still gets jackshit budget because they know pokemon fans will buy poop if it has pokemon logo on it
This disrespect is one of the main reasons im enjoying my pla on emulator at 60fps
forest egret
Man this championship thing just keeps going
white jungle
Y'know come to think of it I'm kinda surprised we haven't had a grass type Timber Wolf Pokémon yet
Feels like an obvious pull, surely?
forest egret
That'd be cool
forest egret
We got one already, and I mean ||apparently we're getting another||
quiet frost
We got one already, and I mean ||apparently we're getting another||
with an evo as well
lament glen
We did?
forest egret
Kyogre is an Orca, and Orcas are dolphins
vestal aurora
Kyogre 
lament glen
eh
vestal aurora
Kyogre is cool
lament glen
legis are lame
vestal aurora
Does it's job
forest egret
It's a funny hair fish
Apparently ||The new dolphin's gonna look like a superhero when it evolves||
forest egret
Ye
quiet frost
Apparently ||The new dolphin's gonna look like a superhero when it evolves||
Yeah ||the leaker linked a yu gu oh dolphin right?||
forest egret
Yeah
white jungle
||curious about Scarlet Salamence paradox mon. Violet Tyranitar feels like it's obviously gonna be a mecha Godzilla ref but are we gonna get, like... Flightless salamence?||
quiet frost
I mean ||some dolphins do save lifes so||
Do not google margaret howe
wide iris
||curious about Scarlet Salamence paradox mon. Violet Tyranitar feels like it's ...
||salamence but it has 4 wings like a biplane||
vestal aurora
Do not google margaret howe
Now i want to
quiet frost
||curious about Scarlet Salamence paradox mon. Violet Tyranitar feels like it's ...
||Tyranitar >>> salamence||
white jungle
||also VERY curious about convergent Mons.||
||Feels like a super underrated concept compared to the future and past ones, and the fact we're getting so many more concepts like regionals, even if it's just for one game? I'm all for it||
rich coral
It does however seem ||convergent and regional forms are low in number.||
white jungle
||from the leaks, yes, but it's possible not everything may be leaked? I know the leaks I was looking at at least had some paradox Mons marked with a question mark and a code name||
||wishful thinking perhaps but two Pokémon for convergence seems like very little for a whole new concept? Unless it was more like something they were hinting at in SV to do more in the future?||
rich coral
||Oh no not that one, regional forms appear to be only two Pokémon.||
white jungle
||Oh no not that one, regional forms appear to be only two Pokémon.||
||well, could be the same situation with everything not yet leaked but if they were lowering the regional count in favour of paradox and convergent that would sadly make sense too||
patent rivet
So was there a new trailer?
rich coral
||Paradox sadly seem to not evolve, making them less interesting to people like me that play story mostly.||
white jungle
||a good few new evolutions though. Kinda scared about eviolite Bisharp but as it's a mostly offensive Pokémon it shouldn't be too busted||
forest egret
So was there a new trailer?
The championship just ended, so hopefully it's soon
white jungle
||Paradox sadly seem to not evolve, making them less interesting to people like ...
||yeah not sure how I feel about them sort of being standalone, that feels weird, especially in Jigglypuff's case||
rich coral
The championship just ended, so hopefully it's soon
It was said to start half an hour ago no?
forest egret
Lol, well apparently an hour and a half ago. The chances that this has been a waste of time is becoming more and more apparent
rich coral
Honestly I am following the stream and I have legit no idea what they're even talking about anymore.
forest egret
Me neither, these people are so annoying
rich coral
Very self-congratulatory
forest egret
Talking about like, how anyone can participate in pokemon comps if they put their minds to it
rich coral
Or cheat.
forest egret
The gigachad option
rich coral
rich coral
Kind of.
forest egret
They're doing awards now
rich coral
Now they'll only need twenty for minutes to say fgoodbye to each other.
wanton idol
They're doing awards now
damn lol
rich coral
Featuring: each other.
Also there are people holding up the french flag in London, they won't go home alive.
forest egret
Nice bit of dystopian imagery too
forest egret
Lol, no idea
patent rivet
To be honest I hope there’s no trailer so the live streamers waiting for a trailer can get jebaited
forest egret
That'd be funny, I'd atleast take delight in knowing others suffered too
patent rivet
Especially if those others are Pokémon YouTubers
forest egret
Centro posted the stream like 20 minutes ago saying we'd get it soon
rich coral
Think it will take like 20 more minutes?
Because then I will sneak away towards home.
patent rivet
Or maybe a couple weeks?
forest egret
Lol, well at this point i'm not sure
rich coral
Or maybe a couple weeks?
Need more time to tell each other how great they are.
forest egret
Man there's 6 trophies up there
rich coral
Ok no I'm gonna make a run for it.
wanton idol
its happening now
patent rivet
Oh wow, Pokémon cards ex, how original
wide iris
I like this silly little guy
forest egret
Aight, seems that's it so far
patent rivet
A legendary prevo
wide iris
I hope he isn't as insufferable as nebby
inland sparrow
A legendary prevo
EXactly what I was thinking
patent rivet
I kinda liked it better when Cosmog was the only one since it made them feel more unique
forest egret
Ye so they showed off the new mon and some more terastalizing stuff and that's about it
vestal aurora
I like this dude
fickle birch
Blatantly a baby Koraidon/Miraidon. 😂
vestal aurora
Cute
fickle birch
That trailer was not worth watching 50 minutes of shite. 😦
forest egret
Lol. Atleast it looks cool
patent rivet
Also they have cycle in the name, you can’t deny that red lizard is supposed to have wheels now
patent rivet
That trailer was not worth watching 50 minutes of shite. 😦
Good thing I didn’t do that and only joined when the trailer dropped
fickle birch
Good thing I didn’t do that and only joined when the trailer dropped
We didn't know when it's drop though. It was meant to be 4. 😂
patent rivet
Also another dragon/normal type huh
wide iris
i really like the idea of legendary prevos
forest egret
Me too
patent rivet
I think Drampa fits normal type better still
wide iris
because it fixes my least favorite thing about legendaries
forest egret
I think Drampa fits normal type better still
I agree but atleast here he's gonna change into a new type
wide iris
(that they're static and awkward to actually use until like the last gym)
rich coral
Oh hey I made it.
fickle birch
I agree but atleast here he's gonna change into a new type
Both of which are also repeats. 😛
patent rivet
i really like the idea of legendary prevos
I think that makes them feel less legendary and more like just random strong Pokémon (besides Cosmog since it had some neat lore)
fickle birch
The Ghost-type hat is the Gen I ghost, I think that's a pretty cool nod. 🙂
forest egret
Yeah that's fun
fickle birch
I think that makes them feel less legendary and more like just random strong Pok...
Completely agree. Although I guess these travelling with you does make them feel more normal as well. 😅
white jungle
MIRROR HERB??????
patent rivet
MIRROR HERB??????
Seems pretty strong
white jungle
Damn that's a major nerf to belly drum Mons
fickle birch
What does it do? 😮
white jungle
No way you're getting away with that when they have a mirror herb
white jungle
What does it do? 😮
Mirrors stat boost
fickle birch
They skimmed over all of the new stuff so quickly. 😅
patent rivet
Guess there might be a strategy when you use a strong move that lowers your stats and they’re forced to copy that and use up the item
white jungle
When your opponents stats raise, you consume The Herb and share the stat boost
fickle birch
That seems like something that should be an ability, not an item. 😂
wide iris
I'm glad they showed off some of the strategy stuff about terra
forest egret
If it was an ability it would be even more op probably
white jungle
Loaded dice is also super cool to me
forest egret
Since the herb is a one-time use
white jungle
I hope it actually turns out useful
wide iris
too bad it'll probably mean spamming raids for hours until you randomly get a rolycoaly that's water type
patent rivet
Loaded dice is also super cool to me
Doesn’t seem very useful to me
fickle birch
If it was an ability it would be even more op probably
True, but it'd be limited to a select few Pokémon. 😅
white jungle
Yeaaaaah tbh it should just be skill link in my opinion?
wide iris
Doesn’t seem very useful to me
it's situational
the key is it can be combined with abilities
white jungle
I don't think sacrificing item slot for skill link is op
wanton idol
forest egret
True, but it'd be limited to a select few Pokémon. 😅
I guess, but the horror of being able to attack while your opponent sword dances you is pretty big
fickle birch
I don't think sacrificing item slot for skill link is op
I'm not talking about that one. 😂
fickle birch
I guess, but the horror of being able to attack while your opponent sword dances...
Good point. 😅
white jungle
I was talking to Knuckles
patent rivet
I was talking to Knuckles
I didn’t say it was op
vestal aurora
||So i'm guessing the beginning of the story in SV will be you finding cyclizar and evolving it to the box art of your game and then you can explore freely||
fickle birch
Oh this actually annoys me now because of Koraidon using its hands. I liked that feature, but if it evolves from something that's an actual bike, it seems stupid. 😅
patent rivet
Maybe this one will also run
wide iris
probably lol
patent rivet
Making the cycle in its name even more baffling
fickle birch
||So i'm guessing the beginning of the story in SV will be you finding cyclizar ...
||Might even evolve mid-game or something when you'd normally get Fly. 😅||
MORE? 😮
No. 😦
patent rivet
Also to be honest, I don’t like the design very much
They just took away all the features of the legendaries and then made it a gross dark green color
fickle birch
Also to be honest, I don’t like the design very much
They just took away all th...
I quite like it. 😅
wide iris
he looks like he's got an attitude too
patent rivet
They are a bit, but I prefer that to too bland
fickle birch
Seems more in line with some early generation designs to me, something I've been feeling with a lot of the currently revealed Pokémon. 🙂
white jungle
I didn’t say it was op
Neither did I, I was agreeing that it seemed kinda weak and was saying it should just be Skill Link
rich coral
...we got no trailer?
forest egret
We got it
white jungle
But I was disregarding tera and abilities in that statement so
wide iris
it was on the worlds stream
forest egret
@rich coral this was the new dude
limpid depot
I kinda like this guy more than the presumed evos
The smallness fits better now
white jungle
I think what people aren't focusing enough on is actually that this means Koraidon and Miraidon will both get shed tail
And as they are inevitably probably both going to be fast Pokémon (at the very least one of them is bound to be very fast)
fickle birch
I think what people aren't focusing enough on is actually that this means Koraid...
Oh, oh no. 
forest egret
Did the lizard dude have Shed Tail
white jungle
This means that Koraidon and Miraidon get a free switch out against most opponents
white jungle
Did the lizard dude have Shed Tail
Seems like it's signature move
forest egret
Ah I see
white jungle
And that's DISREGARDING shed tail into mirror herb
Making Koraidon and Miraidon essentially the worst idea to boost stats against
forest egret
I missed the tail thingy when I was putting the screenshot in
white jungle
Whilst also still having box legend stats
white jungle
So you either don't boost, and they kill you
forest egret
But here's the trailer now for those who missed out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6zFq5nd0tU
white jungle
Or you attempt to boost, which they probably predict, and you have to deal with a boosted substitute Mon who switches in
Best case scenario, they falsely predict you'll boost, probably outspeed you regardless
And you hit a substitute.
This is MENACING
I like it
But it's a huge threat
Especially since they'll probably both get signature attacking moves to use as well
forest egret
OP box legends, who would've thought
unreal cairn
the new pokemon looks like a nokemon
i swear, is gamefreak stealing concepts from nokemon?
limpid depot
They're gonna be stuck in ubers anyways
I doubt it could be worse than zacian
white jungle
Be funny if two dragon types ended up countering Zacian
That's the ideal scenario here
forest egret
Lol, like every single team in the championships just now had Zacian too
rich coral
Also man it really seems like the leaks could not be more on the money.
patent rivet
Fan mons?
forest egret
I suppose there's tournament things for little cup and the other lower-tier mons
And boom, site page
https://scarletviolet.pokemon.com/en-us/pokemon/cyclizar/
rich coral
Also it is confirmed Tera-thing gives the user a solo-type.
forest egret
Yeah, that's unfortunate but I guess it was leaked a while ago now
I suppose it's less unpredicable this way
So Cyclizars are common in this region then, interesting
patent rivet
Also it does run
forest egret
Something's definitely gonna happen to the one you get then. ||Perhaps Koraidon and Miraidon are themselves Paradox mons, or linked to the concept||
rich coral
||Basically what we have been told in leaks, yeah.||
forest egret
I had no idea, well then that's cool
rich coral
||Basically Sun and Moon no?||
forest egret
||Kinda, though Cosmog's evos are atleast supposed to be its natural progression, Idk anything about Paradox dudes yet so who knows||
||Maybe you have some sort of wormhole accident and your funny green limzar gets transformed as a result, or maybe it's just something that Cyclizars can just do, I have no idea tbh||
patent rivet
Or maybe the crystallizing thing affects them weirdly
fickle birch
Apparently Cyclizar is incredibly common? 😮
forest egret
Ye, the site says its common to see Paldean's riding their Cyclizars
fickle birch
So wouldn't it be weird for it to become a Legendary? 😅
forest egret
Well that's what we were saying ye, ||If the leaks about the box legends being paradox pokemon is true in some way, then it might just mean your cyclizar gets transformed somehow at somepoint||
snow glade
||who gave tyranitar the lavender tower hat 💀||
forest egret
It's ok, you don't have to spoiler official trailer stuff
fickle birch
||Ah, yeah that would make a lot of sense. I don't quite know how Paradox Pokémon work though, because wouldn't that imply that others can get new evolutions too? Though none of them seem to. 😮||
forest egret
Yeah no idea. I guess we'll see when the game comes out
quartz elm
so yeah it seems teratype overwrites the pokemons entire typing since coalossal is rock fire and once it tera'd up the water move became not very effective
forest egret
Ye
fickle birch
Yeah, I figured that'd be the case, but the confirmation is nice. 🙂
I do actually like that concept, it adds a lot of strategy. 😄
It's not just making a super big powerhouse. 😅
forest egret
:)
rich coral
"I am so done with this."
vestal aurora
La cobrita goes brrr
rich coral
La cobrrrta.
quiet frost
Of course when i don’t have access to the internet stuff gets revealed :/
ayo new pokemon
pretty sure that’s modern tyranitar
not a fan of the new UI
quiet frost
the first one is just regular tyranitar lol
maybe
wanton idol
it gets shown later in the vid lol
quiet frost
oh okay lol
Holy fuck that new herb is going to be my favourite item ever
Perfect to fuck up those stupid dragon dancers
also shed tail potentially OP if it’s not exclusive to trash pokemon
loaded dice potentially very good too
holy cow loaded dice omastar, 150 stabbed damage
Loving these items they added
also terastal looks actually pretty good in game
I like it
late tendon
that herb can be op or completely useless cuz it depends on your enemy instead of your team
quiet frost
Yeah true
quiet frost
Loaded dice potentially good depending on how much it boosts chances, like if you will always be hitting 4 and often 5 times, it’s good
rich coral
Second one is just Liligant.
fickle birch
Like Ocxin said, the second one is Lilligant. 🙂
rich coral
In regards to this leak, ||lot of people seem to believe "chicken" may be Goodra, any reason why?||
fickle birch
||That seems weird to me after it just got a regional. 😅||
patent rivet
||Blaziken is the first chicken I think of, what other chicken is there?||
rich coral
||Scraggy/Scrafty were originally based on chickens.||
thin wolf
so it doesn't seem to be a prevo but more of a related mon
This may be a legedary beasts are super eevee's situation
unreal cairn
||https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FZ8aB9CXgAEQTXT?format=jpg&name=4096x4096||
||dude they won't even give the slightest attention to raikou||
rich coral
||I... don't really see the connection?||
thin wolf
||https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FZ8aB9CXgAEQTXT?format=jpg&name=4096x4096||
||I wonder if the rest of the legends from those groups will also get forms||
strong trail
||https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FZ8aB9CXgAEQTXT?format=jpg&name=4096x4096||
oh shit ||bisharp evolution? sweet||
wide iris
I wanna get at least one ||tauros|| and name it ||shannon||
white jungle
Y'know between all this and the Hisui Pokémon
There seems to be a pretty big ||Gen 5 Mon push going on||
late tendon
I find it so funny that Cyclizar likes when people ride it cuz people warm it up with their butts lmfao
white jungle
||Which isn't me complaining, but given how much gen 5 was ignored for so long, the sudden swell of content does make me think they're maybe gearing up for the Unova revisit||
||Especially with the Bisharp Evo||
white jungle
I find it so funny that Cyclizar likes when people ride it cuz people warm it up...
I mean yeah that makes sense that's why I enjoy it
white jungle
and the ||volcaronas, and virizion||
||Exactly, even after so many Hisuian forms being gen 5 Mons we've still got 4-5 new Unova forms (5 being if you count Volcarona as two)||
limpid depot
||Interestingly, the only non-gen 1 and non-gen 8 gigantamax last games was garbodor, from gen 5.||
white jungle
||Interestingly, the only non-gen 1 and non-gen 8 gigantamax last games was garb...
||another very good point. Definitely feels like they're giving gen 5 more attention in the run-up imo||
limpid depot
||I mean, it does make sense
The next games to be remade always get a bit of a marketing push even before anything's announced about it||
white jungle
||I mean, it does make sense
The next games to be remade always get a bit of a m...
||well actually that's just it, theoretically it would have been gen 2 revisited next since that would follow the timeline of release, which the games so far had since ORAS?||
||It's possible we will end up getting a gen 2 revisit regardless but idk||
rich coral
||Why do you believe in gen 2?||
gloomy inlet
Why do you hide your chat even if it's not part of the spoiler? 🤔
wide iris
peer pressure
white jungle
Feels like in the excitement we kinda skipped over covert cloak
Seems to work like a reverse sheer force, taking away the opponent's secondary effects
Which, is cool
But I don't see it being all that useful
white jungle
Maybe people will find some gimmick use for it blocking flinch?
white jungle
Or is that just staus effects
It is indeed shield dust I believe
Which does make me wonder even more about Loaded Dice
Surely if shield dust gets its full effect as an item, why not have Loaded Dice be a guarantee like Skill Link?
wide iris
Oh it's an item
white jungle
Yeah
I mean I can see the use in having like
Any Pokémon immune to fake-out
But I'd doubt it's worth an item spot?
Unless your opponent isn't expecting it
In which case you can brute force your way through a flinch and take out what may have been a setup mon
Something to note is that we saw both Hariyama and Tyranitar in this trailer, ||two Pokémon leaked to have paradox forms||
patent rivet
Sounds like it was a fake leak then
late tendon
We saw ||a regular girafarig tho||, and yet it's ||paradox form|| was leaked by Kaka who also leaked Grusha, terastalize and other gym leaders
white jungle
Sounds like it was a fake leak then
Pretty sure it's solid, ||paradox forms aren't replacements. In fact, it sounds like we're not getting paradox evolution lines? For example paradox jigglypuff doesn't evolve into or from anything||
Slight tangent but I'm also much happier with Cetitan's size in this trailer
Good to see it next to other Pokémon for comparison
I know Azumarill isn't huge but it fucking dwarfs it
late tendon
Do you have a screenshot? I missed this part
late tendon
Well that's much better than what gen 8 had
white jungle
But it does look significantly bigger in this light
late tendon
I'm pretty sure Cetitan isn't much bigger than a trainer model tho
But Azumarill looks smol here
white jungle
Yeah that's not great
Contrasts PLA with its Pokémon confirming Ingo was fucking 3'2
Exaggeration of course
But he is a manlet.
late tendon
I feel like Covert Cloak will be useful on Trick Room mons
meager oasis
But only works with being teralized
white jungle
I'm from the UK but I'll be damned before I measure height in centimetres
It's too many numbers???
And too much to keep track of
late tendon
I feel the opposite
white jungle
But with feet I can hear 5'6 and know I should point and laugh because they're short
late tendon
10 mm in cm, 100 cm in m, 1000 m in km, that's pretty much all u need to know
meager oasis
So many new fun items
white jungle
Once again, that's fine
But I can't translate that into height
I have no sense of scale for how tall 163 centimetres is its just fucking numbers
late tendon
I mean, it's all right, these two systems are like two different languages lol
white jungle
Anything else the metric system is fine but for height I need it compact and easy to remember
late tendon
Also, u can short 163 am as 1.6 m, like u can short 5'3 from whatever idk
white jungle
Also, u can short 163 am as 1.6 m, like u can short 5'3 from whatever idk
That doesn't help because it's still the same system
white jungle
I literally don't have a sense of how centimetres and metres translate to height because I've used feet
I know I'm about 6 feet tall, anything above is really tall, anything below is short
I am height prime
late tendon
I can't even imagine how much 5'3 is cuz I can't memorize weird numbers that each part of the height has 
Like, 3.whatever inches is foot, 4682 feet is something else, these look too random to me
patent rivet
I’m 6 feet, so that’s easier to convert since it’s one number
late tendon
Fair
white jungle
Like, 3.whatever inches is foot, 4682 feet is something else, these look too ran...
12 inches is a foot?
In height anyway
Is there more feet?
late tendon
What is after feet? Miles?
white jungle
I'm after feet if you catch my drift
patent rivet
I do generally think the measurement units we use are stupid and prefer metric since it’s just 100 of one thing equals 1 of the bigger thing instead of a bunch of random numbers arbitrarily chosen by our founders to be different from the British
meager oasis
wht does conceal cloak do
late tendon
That's my main issue with that, ye
patent rivet
wht does conceal cloak do
Conceal
late tendon
I'm too used to 10s, 100s and 1000s to memorize something else
white jungle
wht does conceal cloak do
Covert Cloak protects you from side-effects
meager oasis
Ooo
white jungle
So like Shadow ball cannot lower your special defense
white jungle
Fake out can't flinch
late tendon
Flinch by fake out, burn by scald, atk drop by Trop Kick, etc
white jungle
Yeah
patent rivet
I do generally think the measurement units we use are stupid and prefer metric s...
I also remember learning about a ton of other things they did just to be different from the British and how most of those things have been replaced because they were worse
white jungle
It's really the type of item that'll only be really popular if we come into some like
Bullshit secondary effects spam meta
Not saying we won't
But until Togekiss becomes an apex predator again, I doubt it'll see too much use
lament glen
||What are paradox forms? I've seen you guys talk about it all day but no explanation||
white jungle
That being said terastalising means removing fairy weaknesses whilst boosting air slash stab so...
white jungle
||What are paradox forms? I've seen you guys talk about it all day but no explan...
||leaked new forms. Seemingly akin to regionals, but without an entire line being effected (e.g. paradox Tyranitar stands on its own and may not actually evolve from anything, even regular Pupitar)||
lament glen
||So a downgrade from regional forms?||
white jungle
||they're past and future forms, with some version exclusives. It's not clear how we'll get them just yet, but if I had to guess I'd say they're either something we can upgrade regular Pokémon to... Or more like legendaries??||
meager oasis
i just realized we havent seen this gens evil team yet
lament glen
Hopefully there is non
white jungle
||I believe the leaks state Paradox Jigglypuff has op stats, for example||
lament glen
They ran out with good ideas in gen 6
white jungle
||which makes me believe maybe paradox forms will be op forms from the past and future with stats possibly above the 600 range||
||but it's possible they'll just act like regional evolutions||
We'll see
Or not, if the leak is fake
But there's a good chance it's not
lament glen
||which makes me believe maybe paradox forms will be op forms from the past and ...
||sounds kinda shit to me ngl xD||
white jungle
Because it's from someone who got Grusha, terastalising, etc right
white jungle
||sounds kinda shit to me ngl xD||
||well tbh I doubt they'll be like legendaries, it was just one idea.||
||to me, they're just a cooler version of regional variants atm||
||and I'm psyched for it||
||especially with the current leaked forms including 3 gen 5 Pokémon, one of which is getting a past and future form supposedly||
lament glen
||The only pokemon I can think of where a past form would be interesting are Genesect and the fossil mons, so that we see them without their rock type aspects||
white jungle
||it's possible, but we haven't had that in the leaks yet. Also pretty sure the "rock typing comes from the revival process" was deconfirmed for fossil Mons, even taking into account the theory about the technology getting better in gen 8?||
late tendon
Hm
We don't know if all mons will get Tera Blast but
If all of them can get it, does it mean that Magikarp can an even stronger stab than hydro pump?
And that Wobbuffet can get it's first ever attacking move (counter and mirror coat are physical and special but still u know what I mean)
I also wonder if Tera Blast is physical, special (I assume so), or can change between the categories
Kinda like Shell Side Arm
lament glen
I wonder why they bothered to rename hidden power? 
late tendon
So Unown can have it 
white jungle
I would be willing to bet it's more of a gimmick move like terrain pulse, one that only certain Pokémon get
But I suppose it's possible everyone could get it
patent rivet
Maybe its a move you can only use in crystal form
limpid depot
Wobbuffet has skipped moves everyone knows before, doubt they would change that now tbh
wide iris
I'd guess it's either an early tutor or a TM
flint sequoia
It will probably have the same distribution as Hidden Power, aka everything bar caterpie and wynaut can learn it
rich coral
I also wonder if Tera Blast is physical, special (I assume so), or can change be...
Website confirms it's whichever is strongest.
forest egret
That's handy
lilac vector
i heard ||theres a past form of misdreveaus|| which is cool considering its my fave poke. hope its true
forest egret
Apparently so
meager oasis
are there any new confirmed leaks
rich coral
Well I guess the importance of... what was it? Cyclizar?
quiet frost
||leaker confirmed syzlizard is a present for of koraidon and miraidon||
||meaning that koraidon and miraidon are paradox forms, also apparently the other npcs use syclizard to move||
forest egret
Yeah, that last part about npcs using Cyclizar as transport is on the site
patent rivet
i heard ||theres a past form of misdreveaus|| which is cool considering its my f...
||So, Misdreavus when it was alive||
meager oasis
the boost stealing item will be really fun
xerneas using geomancy gets copied by something else
and also the other item that prevents secondary affects so flinch spammers like togekiss are no longer scary
white jungle
Shed tail into mirror herb seems pretty huge
It's one thing if it's just a signature that no other Pokémon will ever get but if it's one of those moves that starts signature then gets given to Mons in makes sense for then like
You'll have a bunch of lizard Mons where it's just not safe to set up on them
forest egret
Imagine an adaptibility choice-band Crawdaunt with baton-passed belly drum using a water terastal crabhammer
white jungle
Imagine an adaptibility choice-band Crawdaunt with baton-passed belly drum using...
Hell, even water terastal aqua jet
Better hope you have an extreme speed
fickle birch
I also wonder if Tera Blast is physical, special (I assume so), or can change be...
It changes depending on which attacking stat is higher. 🙂
I'm really liking the concept of Terastal, though. There's so much opportunity for strategy. 😄
late tendon
I'm curious if Tera Blast works without Terastalizing and if you have to spend a slot for it
Which would mean that you have to guess which of your mons will terastalize and risk terastalizing something else and wasting a move slot on non-terastalized mon
white jungle
Gives some pokemon even more opportunity to be useful because there are some strong Pokémon given poor movesets
Depends what the base power ends up being
Also I've thought of a risky play
(not that it matters because I believe swagger is banned in comp) but prankster swagger (or just a fast Pokémon) with a switch-in mirror herb ally
Bonus points if that switch in is done with a switch move, preferably shed tail
late tendon
I believe swagger isn't banned but I didn't play showdown in forever so I might be wrong
It's certainly not banned in VGC format so it'll be fun to see in doubles
U can swagger some special attacker and mirror it with herb
fickle birch
I'm curious if Tera Blast works without Terastalizing and if you have to spend a...
It will need a slot if it's apparently a TM, and I think it only works once you've Terastallised because it needs the Tera Type. 🙂
fickle birch
U can swagger some special attacker and mirror it with herb
This is why doubles is the elite format. So much more interesting. 😄
late tendon
I find doubles much more enjoying thanks to all the interactions you can create
fickle birch
I completely agree. I used to love having Tapu Fini use Calm Mind, then Oranguru use Instruct. 🙂
fickle birch
Yeah, it's like the Wild West in the early days. I might get more involved with competitive play this time, I enjoyed it a lot in Gen VIII (Z-Moves were also quite strategic when not just used as nukes) but Dynamax was a boring mechanic. 😦
late tendon
And then they'll probably release some dlc with new mons available in battles
strong trail
||the leaks do mention suicune being DLC so that tracks||
wide iris
||DLSui||
quiet frost
||the leaks do mention suicune being DLC so that tracks||
||yeah i'm not giving pokemon company 30$ for another half assed dlc||
||Crown tundra was actually pretty good but the island was terrible. Literally the only good thing to come out of it was urshifu but imo paying 30$ for urshifu isn't worth it||
rich coral
What if it just gets faster instead?
faint cape
can someone give me the link to the pokemon gen 9 pokemon leaks site
wide iris
Site? Aren't the leaks just posted to twitter
Centroleaks I think is the one active right now
faint cape
i thought there was a offical one
wide iris
If they were official they wouldn't be leaks
opal gull
wide iris
You just mean the info nintendo has shown?
In that case you can probably just google pokemon scarlet and violet
fickle birch
I mean, https://www.reddit.com/r/PokeLeaks/ keeps tabs on most of the leaks, but fake ones get posted often as well. 😅
forest egret
Yeah that's a real hit-or-miss sub. I'd just recommend following Khu and Centro on twitter if you wanna keep up with that stuff, but you'll also have to deal with those 2 whining at each other
forest egret
Technically speaking "Khu" is a group of people, but the twitter handle still posts stuff. Honestly, if you prefer not to deal with vague messages that mean barely anything, then just stick with Centro I guess
white jungle
I'm seeing leaks saying ||shellgon is getting a new form|| so I'd be willing to bet that ||paradox salamence works more like a regional, evolving from bagon, to paradox shellgon, to paradox salamence|| and ||paradox Tyranitar|| will be an actual ||mecha Godzilla style thing, not actually being a tyranitar variant but rather a man made thing||
fickle birch
I'd imagine that ||if one of them gets an evolution, the others will match. Otherwise one game gets an extra exclusive. 😅||
strong trail
The issue is that ||we just saw vanilla tyranitar in the competitive trailer||
forest egret
||Apparently Koraidon and Miraidon are supposed to be paradox forms of Cyclizar rather than evolutions, so perhaps with Tyranitar and stuff, you gotta change them, or something, I'm not 100% sure||
fickle birch
The issue is that ||we just saw vanilla tyranitar in the competitive trailer||
||That doesn't necessarily mean no Parafox Form is happening, but it is weird, you're right. 😮||
wanton idol
among ||us||
quiet frost
S||U||S
wide iris
||I hope it doesn't end up being a diancie scenario||
wide iris
We were just talking about how we're not sure if it is or if it's a different kind of mechanic
wide iris
That looks rather fake
wanton idol
oh wait ther
that was confirmed fake
wide iris
Everyone knows a regional sudowoodo would be seaweed
As a reference to seaweed not being a plant
quiet frost
<@388419764231471130> totally real guys
I seriously hope they will do something more creative than painting tyranitar grey
They won't do anything with T-Tar
quiet frost
They won't do anything with T-Tar
wdym?
leaks are leaks and if we have already seen tyranitar before in the game then what are the chances they do something with it?
wide iris
Nonzero
I don't know if you knew this but games with regional forms also have the base pokemon in them
quiet frost
leaks are leaks and if we have already seen tyranitar before in the game then wh...
We are talking about the same dude who leaked entirety of PLA
.-. really
||the fact tyranitar and salamence will have forms is guaranteed||
wide iris
The trailer wanted to show a pokemon interaction of a guy who would normally die in one hit getting a leg up
quiet frost
.-. really
Yeah, fortunately or unfortunately but everything they say has to be true
I would think dragonite deserves one too if so
wide iris
Dragonite didn't get a lot of things he deserved
quiet frost
exactly
quiet frost
Dragonite didn't get a lot of things he deserved
Well to be fair he is incredibly strong
the only thing dragonite got was Anime
Dragon dance dragonite gets cancerous very fast
wide iris
Fun fact dragonite is the only gen 1 elite 4 signature mon that didn't get a gigantamax form
quiet frost
sadge
Flygon was going to get a Mega Evo but Ken Sugimori was feeling uninspired
so thats even more sad
quiet frost
Flygon was going to get a Mega Evo but Ken Sugimori was feeling uninspired
missed opportunity to hire the guy who drew this
exactly
Actual dragon/insect
white jungle
Eh looks a tad Overdesigned but I think it could be great with a bit of a tweak
I like the idea of it being more insectoid
wide iris
That falls in every fanmade mega's trap of 'what is it even supposed to be'
quiet frost
Also imo the trapinch evo line is the worst line logic wise
wide iris
People always think to make a mega you just draw it more complicated
quiet frost
That falls in every fanmade mega's trap of 'what is it even supposed to be'
I mean to me it looks pretty clearly like a flygon on steroids
by that logic mega gyarados is overdesigned too
wide iris
The head characteristics are completely different, it looks less like flygon's mega and more like his 2nd cousin from colombia
What I'm complaining about isn't that they're too complicated, it's that complication is all they decided to do
quiet frost
Well in my opinion it's not much different from the original but i see what you mean
quiet frost
missed opportunity to hire the guy who drew this
it looks like it could rampage through towns
wide iris
It's samey and too different at the same time, both in the wrong spots
quiet frost
The legs and wings are more insectoid, while the dragon part adds spikes and a fierce look
quiet frost
it looks like it could rampage through towns
I would like flygon much more that way honestly
same lol
It looks way too innofensive
quiet frost
it would probably be in IF if it had a mega lets be honest
tiny legs, wings are smooth, cute horns, tiny claws, decoration tail
quiet frost
Not every dragon should be salamence
Ooo, speaking about that
forest egret
Flygon is in IF, also, you guys might want to talk about megas in #other-pokemon-games instead
quiet frost
it would probably be in IF if it had a mega lets be honest
oh wait it is lol
Mega evolutions are supposed to be hurting the pokemon
quiet frost
Mega evolutions are supposed to be hurting the pokemon
no
Mega houndoom literally melts from the heat, mega sharpedo hurts from his own teeth
wide iris
I guess what I'm saying is megas shouldn't disrespect the original design
Like you people are 😤
fickle birch
missed opportunity to hire the guy who drew this
It's nicely drawn, but if someone told me it was a Digimon called Flygonmon (or Flydramon, as it'd probably be called), I wouldn't be shocked. 😅
quiet frost
its a bond between Trainer in Pokemon to make it happen...
Causing it sharp pain and suffering
Mega evolution fuels brutality, it may even turn on the trainer who rased it
For mega salamence
quiet frost
even if the pokemon is in pain it would bare the pain to win the battle against anything to get victory with its trainer being happy
quiet frost
even if the pokemon is in pain it would bare the pain to win the battle against ...
xD terrible timing
lol
Mega houndoom
So yeah, since megaevolutions are basically torture, that evil flygon would work great i guess
white jungle
Sun/Moon had the most bullshit mega dex
It sounds like edgy fucking fanfiction because it is
forest egret
Again, this doesn't really have anything to do with SV so take it to #other-pokemon-games
quiet frost
oh
quiet frost
It sounds like edgy fucking fanfiction because it is
Remember vikavolt "flyes at high speeds"
43 speed 
forest egret
Yes
quiet frost
Though as dumb as the sun dex may be, it's official
quiet frost
<#641772771520544789>
Well the discussion has ended anyways
forest egret
Pokemon leak thingy. ||Apparently this dude is based on a Hake Fish, which is a type of Cod or something||
wide iris
more like the ||FAKE fish 
||
face||
wide iris
I do like it though he looks funny
forest egret
From what little we see, yeah same
quiet frost
Pokemon leak thingy. ||Apparently this dude is based on a Hake Fish, which is a ...
He looks like he'll be on my team
white jungle
Pokemon leak thingy. ||Apparently this dude is based on a Hake Fish, which is a ...
If you're on mobile and wanna spoiler the image too you can rename the file to have SPOILER_ in front of it
Don't think it's necessary personally but 🤷
forest egret
Is it not spoilered for you?
forest egret
Yeah that's how I did it
wanton idol
Pokemon leak thingy. ||Apparently this dude is based on a Hake Fish, which is a ...
love this design
forest egret
It's perfect
white jungle
Is it not spoilered for you?
Wasn't but it is now, never even tapped on it
forest egret
Weird
forest egret
||Fish|| has broken free
fickle birch
||The Abra line aren't in, but Klefki is. 😅||
strong trail
it'll be a fish and they'll call it ghoti
fickle birch
it'll be a fish and they'll call it ghoti
I get this. Our teacher did this in the first day of our English Language A-Level. 😂
wanton idol
time for lizar
meager oasis
its a wheely good pokemon
wanton idol
forest egret
Nice Limzar
vestal aurora
Limzar moment
fickle birch
I feel like this version looks like a middle-stage between Koraidon and Cyclizar. Most notably, the eye's a bit bigger and it just feels more kid-like. Easily edited for sure, though. 🙂
signal dagger
why's it have its fingers glued shut?
molten chasm
Think it’s a stylistic choice
Now that you’ve pointed it out, it reminds me of the Protoss
rich coral
It's fingers are shut because Koraidon has skins inbetween them.
wide iris
Megaman hands
forest egret
Miraidons are also fused together too
wide iris
Easier to draw that way lol
white jungle
Koraidon still should have had skin gliding flaps
It could have looked so much cooler than the wings
Or at the very least could accompany the wings so he doesn't look so damn unbalanced
And how the hell is that not a better display of the past/biological methods of travel?
white jungle
Okay but can we at least all agree that these character designs go so fucking hard
white jungle
If you're one of those nerds who's like "I don't like the new people model in Pokémon it's too realistic 🥺" that's fine or whatever rip to you I guess
But these characters look so fucking INTERESTING
wide iris
I don't like turo
white jungle
Like don't get me wrong, I think his design is good, in fact it has that Tony Stark vibe down
But he's boring compared to others
He looks like the Chad meme and that's about the extent of it
wide iris
he looks like he tags along with DJs to clubs in silicon valley just so he can get free drinks and shill crypto to disinterested sorority girls
wide iris
he looks like he styled his cut on adam lavine and he's just as good a singer
white jungle
Y'know who else I like?
That upperclassman guy with the curly hair
So much CHARACTER in these designs
And I love that the ages are actually somewhat defined now, you can tell who's younger or older way easier
wide iris
hmmm
it could just be that the official MC models spoil the bunch for me
I can't really put my finger on it
or maybe I'm just too old for these characters to have an effect on me
but I swear, maybe it's the sillhouettes or something, the gen 7 characters were more striking somehow
forest egret
I think the main 2 are boring looking but I like a lot of the other human characters we've seen so far
wide iris
There's one leaked guy who I really like mostly because he reminds me of ||giovanni fused with Nanu (the best pokemon character)||
maybe the characters I'm used to were designed with a different kind of iconism in mind that pulls me in better
though I have to remember that basically no pokemon character really has any impact in the end
limpid depot
I think a big difference is that people this gen feel less
Anime-ey exaggerated?
They feel a bit closer to gen 4 designs than latter gens, where everyone basically had some extravagant uniform
The colors are also a lil bit muted compared to gen 8's high contrast
T'least in the art and human models
wide iris
there are still some extravagant uniforms in bright mismatched colors in this gen, they're just presented in a more, what's the word
I don't want to use the words realistic or pedestrian
just kind of a "these are real clothes someone would wear if they wanted to look like a wacky video game character"
instead of just being a wacky video game character
limpid depot
Yeah
Which is why I compare it to gen 4
Which have kinda the same vibe for me
They're sorta an in-between of earlier gen realism and latter gen wackiness
Tho maybe 5 is a bit more accurate?
wide iris
Now that I'm thinking about it
white jungle
Gen 5 designs are great imo but I think they kinda slipped on the official art in some of them
Look at the inside of Brycen's elbow
Then question the physics of his body.
It looks like a tumor
limpid depot
Questionable anatomy mistake yeah
Never really noticed it before
wide iris
a key part to a lot of pokemon character clothes designs seems to be creating costumes that are themed on a real kind of clothing but is never anything you'd actually be able to find
white jungle
Wish we had more info on Drayden and Iris
We know he's her adopted grandpa but like why
Is she an orphan??
limpid depot
a key part to a lot of pokemon character clothes designs seems to be creating co...
Yeah
At least after gen 1
wide iris
there are some characters that are just in a shirt and pants, but even looking at roark and daddy roark they have those strips of highlights that are themed on high-vis clothing but isn't actually
white jungle
Did he just decide he liked her and wanted to be her grandfather??
Imagine this fucking brick shithouse of a man walking up to you like "I'm your grandpa now"
limpid depot
I would gladly accept
wide iris
drayden could see the dragon power inside her using his mystic grandpa sense
white jungle
Drayden has magic eyes, I did forget that this is established canon
limpid depot
Drayden is just built different
white jungle
Love gen 5 gym leaders
Love how fucking unhinged they are
Especially since they were following on from a generation with like an active police presence in the story?
Whilst in Unova it seems implied that the gym leaders are like
An unofficial vigilante force???
limpid depot
Tbh now that you mentioned the gen 5 art is kinda weird
Skyla always looked like she was in a slightly different artstyle to me
She feels like a gen 8 character in gen 5
wide iris
anyway, I've seen some leaks of characters with costumes at least that fit what I'm talking about
but the way they design them doesn't really appeal to me
white jungle
Let's not forget that in the anime trailer, Brycen (and I've said this many a time, but let me emphasise that this is the most literal explanation of his actions in this scene)
RELEASES A BEAR
AND STARTS THROWING PEOPLE IN FULL CHAIMMAIL FROM 2+ STOREYS TO THE GROUND
limpid depot
but the way they design them doesn't really appeal to me
I guess I understand
Something about the art this time has a very different appeal from the anime-cartoony spectrum the series has mostly been in
white jungle
but the way they design them doesn't really appeal to me
Honestly couldn't disagree more, I really like the aesthetics of this generation
wide iris
well that's the thing, right
a part of it is still anime cartoony
very anime cartoony
but it's the wrong part
it's like, realism cake with extra anime icing, instead of older gens which were the other way around
limpid depot
Hmmmm
If I understand, what you're trying to say is like
They look like ghibli characters cosplaying as characters from wackier animes
wide iris
yeah, that's more or less it
limpid depot
I guess I can see it
wide iris
when I say 'wong' I gotta emphasize again it's my viewpoint
there's nothing inherently bad with a realism cake with anime icing
limpid depot
Yeah I get that
Sometimes it's just a bit weird when a series that usually leaves designs unchanged from a style perspective has a big shift
Now we have the oldschool anime eyes pokemon with the cartoony toylike pokemon and the humans who can't decide if they're from ghibli or shonen
Consistency is important but the series kinda sets itself up for it to be impossible
wide iris
I want to make a compass spectrum of this kind of thing now
limpid depot
In what way? lol
wide iris
^ Wacky Accessory Design ^
< Cartoonish Base Design | Realistic Base Design >
v Low-Key Accessory Design v
wide iris
i ended up doing it
rich coral
Ok but why is Goku standing in like... a train station?
snow glade
Hes taking the train
fickle birch
I kinda do miss the Gen I art style, even if I wasn't around to see it. It had such a cool vibe. I feel like the major change in designs philosophy came around late Gen IV, when a lot of eyes became bigger and rounder, which I'm less keen on. 😅
But the Gen VIII designs look pretty cool so far, like that Machamp-looking teacher. 😄
wide iris
The big change happened in Emerald specifically
Somehow
If you look at the brendans for ruby and then emerald it's like alternate universes
fickle birch
I think RS was just Sugimori getting used to digital, the big eyes became really noticeable for me with Lyra. Then the rabbit tooth thing in Gen V with characters like Bianca and Skyla. 😦
gloomy inlet
Hmmm ... SV lizard
forest egret
Limzar
late tendon
he walkin
forest egret
Sprint mode
wide iris
When you
white jungle
Straightup?
Want Vivillion
Don't get me wrong I hate sleep spammers as much as the next guy but something about the use of compound eyes wins it my favour
I mean frankly I think I just appreciate weaker bug mons being given a good moveset
late tendon
if u mean that u want Vivillon to be in the game then it's already confirmed to be there
white jungle
Quiver dance, 98% accurate sleep powder, 91% acc hurricane? Feed it to me slowly like grapes
white jungle
if u mean that u want Vivillon to be in the game then it's already confirmed to ...
I did think it was but wasn't sure, been a while since I've watched the trailers
Y'know it's weird as fuck that Showdown never bothered to backport the furfrou and Vivillion alts??
Like you can't use gen 5 sprites for them but surely people have made them like a million times by now
wide iris
vivillon is my favorite butterfly mon
it isn't much competition
but out of really any of the early route bugs it's the only one I'd use on a team
besides mega beedrill, anyway
late tendon
Y'know it's weird as fuck that Showdown never bothered to backport the furfrou a...
I'll be that nerd who will say that it's Vivillon, not Vivill i on
reads as VIH-vee-yon
cuz frenchc
white jungle
reads as VIH-vee-yon
Fuck outta here, I know France ain't real
You're in the pocket of Big Paris
You're a Fed! A French Fed!
fickle birch
if u mean that u want Vivillon to be in the game then it's already confirmed to ...
It is!? 😮
late tendon
ye
fickle birch
Nice. 😄
I'm actually really liking the list of Pokémon that we've got so far, a lot of underrated and more obscure ones have made the cut. 🙂
late tendon
I'm glad it's back, it's probably my fav route 1 bug
fickle birch
I'm glad it's back, it's probably my fav route 1 bug
I wish it was Bug/Fairy. 😦
lapis linden
reads as VIH-vee-yon
Funny I always read it like that, I wonder if it’s because i learnt French as a child lol
late tendon
then there'd be too many fairies in Kalos
fickle birch
then there'd be **too** many fairies in Kalos <:lie:757552407621140532>
Just erase Carbink to compensate, easy. 🙂
lapis linden
Carbink is cute though
white jungle
I mean
Considering it added fairy type
There really aren't a lot
But it's just that, in comparison
Kalos had multiple instances of having like
Two of a given type
I think it adds two poison types? Maybe three?
gloomy inlet
I'll be that nerd who will say that it's Vivillon, not Vivill i on <:thisclown:3...
fuck dat, i read it bibiyon
patent rivet
Gate of bibiyon
wide iris
I thought it was vi-vi-YON
also there are so many l's and i's right next to each other, for like 3 years after xy came out I thought it was Vivillion
as in, Pavilion
late tendon
English is complicated to read sometimes
I remember watching Lockstin's vid about Arceus
And he was like
Some say Ar-key-as, some say Ar-key-as, and some say Ar-key-as
He basically just said ar-key-as three times with the most minor difference possible
And I was like
late tendon
Then just read all names in japanese
gloomy inlet
that's why i read vivillon bibiyon
late tendon
We read Bulbasaur as Bul'-ba-zavr
late tendon
Bul'bazavr
gloomy inlet
fushigidane
late tendon
My fav Pokemon is Sand 