pokemon-winds-waves

[fierce shell]

It's actually high

[late tendon]

Isn't the overall percentage of HP matters when calculating Dragon Energy, Water Spout and Eruption? Not the number of HP that you have

Like, max power at 100% of full hp, half power at 50%, etc

Yep, I just checked, it checks the percent of your max HP, not the exact number of health points

The formula is (150 x max hp) / current hp

With 150 being the max power

Unless you meant something else by mentioning Dragon Energy's power at 200 HP

[rich coral]

Oh not this has precedent.
||Credible leakers tell us it has a move that can revive Pokémon.||

[quiet frost]

Guys I've reached the Paldea region

[gloomy inlet]

it should be one of Gardevoir and other fairies movepool since it already have Heal Pulse 😂

[rich coral]

Well... ||it is likely based on defibrillators, so...||

[vestal aurora]

which part of it portugal or spain

[fierce shell]

With 200 in the HP stat your max HP would be higher thus increasing it at full health

Also are you sure it is divided by current HP? That would make it the opposite of water spout

[quiet frost]

Spain

[late tendon]

yes I'm completely 100% sure cuz that's how it always worked and that's what Bulbapedia, Database and Smogon says

ah wait

I messed up cuttent HP and max HP between each other

I thought you're asking about other think lmao

ye it's (150 * current HP) / max HP

my bad

[late tendon]

but this still isn't how it works

if your full HP is 200 or 100 or 69 or whatever and your current HP is at this number, Dragon Energy's power will still be 150 because you're at full HP

if your current HP is 200 but your full HP is 400, Dragon Energy's power will be 75 because you're at half of your max HP

in both cases your HP is 200 but Dragon Energy's power is different because it's power is determined by % of your HP, not hit points you have overall

I can quickly show it to you on showdown if you don't understand what I'm saying

[fierce shell]

Ok with the corrected equation that makes sense

[late tendon]

just to clarify
here's Kyogre at 200 hp as it's full hp, Water Spout's power is 150 cuz it's at full hp

but here's Kyogre at 200 hp as it's half hp, Water Spout's power is 75 cuz it's at half hp. Same ammount of hp, different WS power

[fierce shell]

I was just confused because of the current hp division before

[late tendon]

sorry if I confused you somewhere haha

and just to be sure, this Kyo is at 145 hp as it's full hp, WS is at full power

same goes for Eruption and Dragon Energy

[strong trail]

In summary Water Spout Shedinja is still a pretty fun idea

[lament glen]

I think we tried that in IF showdown without any good results xD

[meager oasis]

gamefreak will either give you slow bulky ice types or galarian darmanitan

[forest egret]

Is there such a thing as a mediocre ice type now, they're all either op or suck

[rich coral]

Well... considering either fast good or bulky bad (not really obviously)... maybe Crabominable?

[forest egret]

That makes sense

[meager oasis]

another problem with ice types is that

theres a lot of them that dont have any secondary types either

dear god

glastrier being all the way in pu is crazy

all the ice types below PU

poor ice types :(

[patent rivet]

Really think it's disappointing when a legendary Pokemon is not good at all

[white jungle]

And you know the worst part?

Rotom Frost is like

The only objectively slow Rotom that I can think of

Well, to be fair they all have the same speed

But the difference is that what you want from an Ice type is some decent coverage, which Frost does have, electric/ice is good for that

But that means no scarf

Mow and Wash are good because you can slap scarf on

But even with scarf, what's Frost gonna do? Hit every eight turns with blizzard?

It feels slow because it's the only one that you have to play slow to get good moves

[meager oasis]

its also unfortunate that delibird has such bad stats

because it has amazing coverage

[fickle birch]

Delibird is one of my absolute favourite Pokémon (I love goofy standalones, Spinda and Torkoal are great too), I just wish it was anything even close to useful. 😅

[meager oasis]

same

its movepool is SO GOOD

[fickle birch]

Split evolutions for it could be fun; Ice/Flying that's still Santa, Ice/Grass based on Uncle Holly, Ice/Dark on Krampus and Ice/Fairy on an elf or something. 😃

[meager oasis]

delibird has drill run which hits super effectively for every single type that resists delibirds stabs

and hits its weaknesses super effectively too

[white jungle]

Ground Tera Type Delibird...

[meager oasis]

its stabs are brave bird and triple axel too

super powerful moves

and has other good coverage like gunk shot and seed bomb and can use fake out too

it also has access to destiny bond too for some reason

[fickle birch]

Delibird (and Luvdisc) are fully evolved Pokémon that share BSTs with Chinchou, Teddiursa, Finneon and Aron.

Aron literally evolves twice after starting out with that BST because it's so low. 😂

[meager oasis]

wow

that is truly very unfortunate

[fickle birch]

For my fangame I buffed a lot of the typically weak Pokémon quite a lot, and for Delibird I gave it 80 HP, 80 Attack, 70 Defence, 110 Speed, 120 Special Attack and 70 Special Defence. Could swap Atk with Sp Atk to reflect its newer moves, I did these I think before SM came out. 😅

[meager oasis]

probably

delibird got amazing physical movepool but its special side is pretty bland

[fickle birch]

I reworked movepools a lot and gave Ice a bunch of new Special moves, many of which Delibird got. Gave it Hurricane too. 😃

[meager oasis]

ooh

[fickle birch]

I made Torkoal Fire/Water as well and basically turned it into Volcanion-lite. 🙂

For Spinda I just upped all of the stats from 60 to 90. 😄

[flint sequoia]

The sad thing is I don't think increasing the bst by 50% is enough to make it good

[fickle birch]

It doesn't make it great, it just makes it not completely atrocious. 😂

I'd love to see Spinda get an evolution, but with the whole spot gimmick I think it's unlikely. 😦

[white jungle]

Different Evo for every spot combination

[warm quarry]

The glass cannon mono ice types are gonna be insane in SV tho

Make them ice type with terastalize

Double stab on their ice type moves

[wide iris]

if they have any glass cannon mono ice types in SV

[warm quarry]

Yeah :/

But hey, Cetitan should be a heavy hitter, tanky, and speedy

Heavy Hitter and Tanky is always an if, but he’s got slush rush

[white jungle]

If Cetitan has belly drum it's all over but I doubt they'd make ANOTHER belly drum ice type so soon

[smoky bison]

Ice is a good offensive type but Gamefreak has a hard-on for making slow, defensive Pokemon ice-type

It's crazy

[wide iris]

Yea thats what we were sayin

[fickle birch]

Even just doing something like making it resist Water or Ground would go a long way. I think it only resists itself. 😮

[forest egret]

Cetitan will be AG for sure. It will define the whalemon meta

[fickle birch]

I mean, Thick Fat on an Ice-type is a pretty good ability. That's one weakness out the door already, effectively. 🙂

One of many weaknesses.

[forest egret]

Cetitan, Wailord, and Kyogre as an honouary whale, the ultimate team

[fickle birch]

Kyogre's an orca, right? 😮

[forest egret]

Yeah. We've had our dolphin pokemon all along

[fickle birch]

I'd love a more traditional-looking orca as well, just because I love the black and white colour scheme. 🙂

[forest egret]

Me too. They could make it water/fighting and have it bully sharpedo

[forest egret]

Is that a digisman

[fickle birch]

It is. The very originally named Orcamon. 🙂

[forest egret]

I would've never got it

Also, not sure if this is really that much of a leak worthy of spoilering, but ig just in case: ||Apparently this is exactly how Terastal works according to Khu and Centro. If you use Terastal on a pokemon that already has STAB, it boosts it to 2x damage instead of the regular x1.5||

[pseudo nymph]

yooooo its alifeguardthatalsohappenstobeanorcamon!

[forest egret]

It's Megametawhalemon neo

[fickle birch]

You joke, but there is a Digimon called AncientMegatheriummon. 😂

[pseudo nymph]

[forest egret]

I think that exact one was joked about in another channel a few days ago

[fickle birch]

It's bloody cool though, to be fair. 😄

Literally. 😂

[forest egret]

My favourite was the virus dude from the movie. And Angelamon maybe

This also remind me that Gogoat's in like no pokemon games is he

[fickle birch]

We don't talk about Angelamon.

[fickle birch]

But he is in Scarlet and Violet. Bringing it back. 😉

[forest egret]

Ye, that'll be good

I wonder if they're bringing him back specifically because he's a mon people ride on. Maybe there's an event in the game where you can race npcs that have gogoats and tauros and stuff

[fickle birch]

Rhyhorn Racing would be cool. 🙂

Except instead of just Rhyhorn, it's most quadrupeds. 😄

[forest egret]

Yeah, it seems feasible too. You're riding your box legendary so they don't have to animate too many, they can just pick a select few that npcs use

They could do a sorta pokeathlon thing with a bunch of riding games

[rich coral]

...there is a lot of virus dudes in the movies.

heck some of them are protagonists.

[fickle birch]

I assume he means virus as in Diaboromon's line, not Virus as in Virus-type (Guilmon, Gammamon, etc.). 😅

[forest egret]

Yeah that one

Keramon specifically

[fickle birch]

Keramon's an S-tier design. I love the Kuramon and Tsumemon too. 😄

The weirdest thing to me is how the Digimon art style has stayed pretty consistent over 25 years, whereas Pokémon's has changed rapidly. 😅

Gens I, IV and VIII all look like they could feasibly belong to different franchises. I think IX seems to be going back to a more simpler philosophy, many of the designs shown so far could blend in with Gen II pretty easily. 🙂

[tough willow]

SPOILERS ||| apparently the legendary pokémon are ride pokémon? And motorcycles? And you get it at the start of the game? I'm deducting this from the trailer. |||

[limpid depot]

Not to be harsh but everyone already got that days ago heh

[tough willow]

I just got it 😭

[fickle birch]

That's officially revealed, you don't need to spoiler tag it. 🙂

[white jungle]

Days? Pretty sure this was the first conclusion about Koraidon and Miraidon when they were released/lh

[patent rivet]

But they didn’t know you get it at the start

[fickle birch]

Their motorbike forms weren't officially revealed, though most people expected it. 😅

[warm quarry]

Yeah this is the reason why Shedninja should be in the game

Despite the fact I love him

(If he is though it would force weather conditions to be more prominent)

[warm quarry]

Also this is purely assumption on my stand point. The games are heavily telling you to do things when you want at your own pace and how you want. Because of that it would be reasonable to assume that that the legends can be gotten early but in no way are they handed to you early

So like you can go beat the 8th gym right off the bat

It’ll be hard

But it’s possible

(And if that’s the case then getting them early does feel a lot more rewarding since it’d be designed for later point in the game and thus a challenge early)

[warm quarry]

Something most legends no longer have

(Aside from Giritina Arcues and whichever legend you choose first)

[white jungle]

I do hope we get a fair few legendaries this gen but they've already showed off a new raid system so like

Almost guaranteed we'll get our non-story-legends through raid bullshit or events

Which will suck

Because open world is the perfect genre for something like Legendaries being hidden all over the place

[fierce shell]

If the legends were that prominent in the trailer you are definitely getting them before the first gym. They designed the world for riding and other than the towns it seems like a drag to just walk around

[white jungle]

If we see another gen 5 reference in this game I want either:

Colress (again, still doing his thing)

Or

Genesect, being studied in relation to the Futuristic Theme

[fierce shell]

This is the perfect game for past genesect to exist

[white jungle]

Oh that would be great

Give us a direct reference to Team Plasma (maybe even an Original Team Plasma member supporter of N) who wants to help the Genesect left over by the Genesect project, and came to Paldea to make use of the advanced technology to do so

Decent sized quest, rewarding us with Genesect and a fossil for receiving Genesect's True Form

I don't expect it'll happen, but I do 100% expect another gen 5 reference

That's two gen 5 characters with quite large roles in games over the last two gens

[patent rivet]

I think purple lizard is a human made Pokemon made to replicate red lizard

[fierce shell]

Miraidon is just a ditto

[flint sequoia]

Every pokemon is a ditto, they all went extinct

[opal gull]

I mean gyms as a metric of progress doesn't really work if you are supposed to do stuff in any order

[patent rivet]

But the gyms also don’t scale, so there will be an actual order to do them in

[white jungle]

Ironically the only ice Pokémon I don't see benefiting at all from terastalising...

Fucking Abomasnow

Snow warning is basically the only thing it's got, and with a different tera type it'll just hurt itself

My man cannot catch a break

[forest egret]

not being the worst type combo in the game sounds like a pretty decent trade

[meager oasis]

would be cool if they made snow warning unable to hurt the pokemon with the ability regardless of its typing

like how it works with sand rush

[white jungle]

I'm guessing Pokémon from past games will just get their default tera type?

Because if not...

That one special Pikachu with extreme speed

With normal tera type

And fake out?

With light ball?

Hell, hell on earth

I've used that Pikachu recently, even without the stab it's good

And that's not even mentioning Diggersby

Huge power 2x stab normal type priority moves

Add life orb or hell normal gem to that and that's scary

Water tera type Azumarill, or just any belly drum user with 2x stab

[meager oasis]

tera type kartana

[white jungle]

My worry would be that they'll make certain Pokémon tera-type combos really hard to get. Which frankly I can't be bothered with because they don't look good enough to be super hard to get the one you want.

If terastalising persists through swap-out, scarf users could be really good

And also do we know if it has a turn limit like dynamax?

I wasn't paying enough attention at the time

[forest egret]

It has some sort of energy system or something

[white jungle]

I thought that was just for activating it?

[forest egret]

Maybe, I honestly would assume it's temporary coming off the heels of Dynamax, but idk

[white jungle]

Kinda hope not

It's one of those things where like

I can only see it being enjoyable if it's permanent for the battle

It could seriously buff some Pokémon, and actually shake things up if it is

If it's temporary, then it's not like dynamax where it can break protect spam

It would severely limit its usage

[forest egret]

I wonder if terastal stacks with adaptability

2.5x tri-attack from Porygon-Z

[white jungle]

The Crawdaunt empire begins

[meager oasis]

basculin with stab adaptability head smash

[white jungle]

In fact Crawdaunt would counter Porygon Z in that case

2.5x aqua jet would easily one shot it

Not to mention dragon dance liquidation

Or crabhammer

[forest egret]

Yeah, and even not considering the x2.5 boost, any type you swap to is gonna let you hit for 2x damage with adaptability mons

[white jungle]

Terastilisation? More like Carcinisation. Embrace crab.

[meager oasis]

tera type zacian

[forest egret]

iirc, khu said ||Sprigatito's HA makes it the most op looking of the starters, and we know that their abilities aren't new. I wonder if that means it's getting adaptability then||

[white jungle]

Let's hope it gets stuck in Uber and Quaxly's final gets into OU

[forest egret]

The starters in general have been getting stronger, like last 2 gens have had no bad starters, only good or op ones. I imagine it'll be something like that this time around too

[white jungle]

Honestly Inteleon was easily the most interesting starter last gen despite being the weakest of the three

I genuinely love the crit-boosting focus despite not liking its design

[forest egret]

I agree. Inteleon's my least favourite pokemon design of all time, but gameplay-wise he's fine

I'm ok with the starters all being strong

[white jungle]

Agreed. Do wish hidden abilities weren't a fucking thing though.

Suuuuuch bs having your actual starter be worthless because like hell I'm resetting to get the HA before I play the game

I love Pokémon but so much about the games are just counter-intuitive horse shit

And I could easily see me cheating in Pokémon that have good HA even if they can't be used in comp

Because you'd think the ability wouldn't matter to me for casual play but you're dead fucking wrong

Because having a Pokémon be a definitively worse version of itself is irritating

Hopefully ability capsules aren't too hard to get

[forest egret]

I just wish blaze/torrent/overgrow wasn't a thing they kept doing

[white jungle]

Starters should just have two available abilities with no torrent, blaze or overgrow anywhere near them

But I guess god forbid one Pokémon be able to play multiple ways viably?

So few Pokémon have multiple good abilities

The only ones that spring to mind are ones like salamence, Gyarados, etc

Which, ironically, I'm pretty sure share the same abilities

[forest egret]

That's true too, it would spice up competitive probably if more mons had multiple viable abilities instead of just the obvious choice

[white jungle]

Galarian Darmanitan would actually be the most glaring example of Multiple Good Abilities come to think of it

Can I count Galarian Darmanitan as a Big Gen 5 Reference in gen 8 akin to Colress in gen 7 and Ingo in PLA? Because they clearly wanted that thing to be busted/hj

[fickle birch]

Pure Ice with a STAB boost could still be quite good. 🙂

[white jungle]

Come to think of it, terastalising is a major nerf to Quagsire

Unaware doesn't matter a toss against something which is inherently 2x damage

[snow glade]

Well taking 2x is better than taking 8x because they got fully setup

[spare roost]

Teralise's energy thing is to showcase that it can only be used once till you charge it up again via pokecenter or recharge station

[white jungle]

Yeah I knew that much

Just crossing my fingers that there's no limit once it's activated. I don't think Gamefreak grasped how fucking boring dynamax was being limited to three turns.

Less interesting moves, inefficient to suddenly switch out if need be because it wastes it

[lament glen]

I think the biggest problems with dynamax were the slow and long animations alongside the fact that there are literally exactly 18 moves shared across all dynamax mons

[white jungle]

That and it was a huge issue despite feeling slow and unimpactful

Because God forbid you attempt to set up before they use their dynamax

[forest egret]

I remember when swsh first came out there was that clip showing Milo's eldegoss dmaxing and having this grand stage presence, just to get one-shot by scorbunny before its first turn

Was funny, did enjoy

It seems terastal is kinda scaling that back a little, which I think is a good call because Gmax really did just feel like "Erm what if we made Megas AND Z-moves as one thing?"

[patent rivet]

But also a lot of those are worse than normal dynamax because of their signature moves being worse

[wide iris]

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/635/273/997.gif

[wanton idol]

:)

[limpid depot]

Really the only problem I see with terraandsuchising is that it would make tense story moments look really silly
And I doubt they'd not use the gimmick in the big boss battles

[lilac vector]

i hope smoliv becomes that dryad pokemon design that was claimed to be a leak

it was really cool and we need to have a cool dryad pokemon

[wide iris]

I'll have to see how terarrorizing recharges or what you need to do to activate it

[lament glen]

"Tense story moments" and "Pokémon" in the same game?

Thats a first

[opal gull]

that's not true, pokemon mystery dungeon exists

[lilac vector]

the pokemon mystery dungeon games are really dramatic for no reason

i mean i shouldnt talk im putting dramatic and edgy stuff into my pokemon games so

[forest egret]

I never got into explorers at all, everyone hyped it up. But credit where it's due, they are more compelling narratives than the main series

[patent rivet]

It’s not hard to beat

[rich coral]

We were shown already actually.
||Random structures in the wild or at Pokémon Centers.||

Activation is like all other of these mechanics before it.

[wide iris]

||I don't know what 'random structures' means||

[rich coral]

||Large crystal rocks scattered over the region.||

[wide iris]

||oh, so not really random, just arbitrary||

[white jungle]

Oh my god the penny just dropped

Just figured out another reason why I like megas so much

I've made my opinions on hidden abilities very clear

They're fucking irritating, and completely frustrate me because of how my brain works despite not really doing comp outside of Showdown

But megas don't deal with that BS

You're mega evolving anyway

Only a few Mons use their non-mega hidden abilities for good strats

Like Sharpedo

[flint sequoia]

Hidden Abilties are a great concept, but poorly executed in the main series games

Give the player a means of getting specific mons with HA and it's all good

[patent rivet]

Yeah, since most of the time you’re only getting hidden abilities after beating the game

[warm quarry]

Isn’t non mega Garchomp more viable as well or smth?

[wide iris]

because he loses speed yeah

[white jungle]

That's a bit different, I meant that Mega Sharpedo actually makes use of normal Sharpedo's hidden ability

[clear crest]

alright, goons! I need help

I'm tryna figure out what of the new pokemon to sprite next

any suggestions?

[wide iris]

fidough

[lament glen]

Olive guy

[opal gull]

cetitan?

[warm quarry]

Smoliv

We have had a lot of Cetitan sprites done

[opal gull]

only large/evolved non legendary boy we got this gen so far I suppose

[lilac vector]

fidough

[inland sparrow]

yes

[white jungle]

Do we know if size differences are confirmed returning/not?

And if so, do we have any speculation on how it'll impact comp where size-effected moves are pretty common?

Because I think it'd be funny for people to run tiny Mamoswine because they don't want grass knot doing a number on them

[lament glen]

I don't think this was ever a thing so I doubt it'll be now

[forest egret]

This is the first time I've heard of this being a thing. I thought only Gourgeist and Magikarps had size differences or whatever

[white jungle]

Oh so Legends Arceus was a fever dream

[forest egret]

It'll probably the standard size stuff

[wide iris]

leggy ars had size differences

but I'm pretty sure it was only cosmetic except for alphas

[forest egret]

Cetitan also being quite small in the trailer also gives off the impression that they're not gonna care about that sorta thing in this game, and all the wild pokemon we've seen were all the same size ig

[wide iris]

my buddy did some measuring and the given size for cetitan seems to work if the number is measuring nose to tail

[forest egret]

I figured it wasn't gonna be literal height, that would've been insane

If it was from his feet to the highest point on his body, that would've been kinda confusing since he's only like 700 kg

[wide iris]

reminder that wailord would be floating in the stratosphere if its weight was correct

[forest egret]

Even now he's about as long as a large hippo but weighs half as much. I guess pokedex height/weight stuff never really made sense though

[forest egret]

Wailord is a balloon, to be fair

[wide iris]

stratosphere

[lament glen]

Remind me what a Cetitan is again

[wide iris]

white whale guy

funny mouth

[forest egret]

Cetitan is the Ice Whale

[wide iris]

"ice energy"

[lament glen]

ah that

[forest egret]

He's my favourite of the reveals so far

[lament glen]

No strong feelings about this one in any regard

Olive still da best

[forest egret]

What if they subvert everyone's expectations and make Cetitan super fast

Imagine this thing sprinting at you

[wide iris]

yeah I don't really feel much towards this thing

he's got slush rush so it might b cool

it's hard for me to feel anything for single type mons

[forest egret]

I think every single mon they've shown so far's been single type too except for Paldean Wooper. I hope Smoliv gets another typing when it evolves

[lament glen]

yo imagine if they made a grass poison type

[forest egret]

You're a goddamned genius, you know that?

In fact they should put several in this game, as a loving reference to Kanto, the beloved yet underused generation of the franchise

[white jungle]

When do we get to see Machoke's balls tho

[forest egret]

Machoke isn't wearing actual pants, so if we never saw them before we never will, now stop bring up machoke's balls 🔫

[vestal aurora]

News sunday let's goo

At the world tournament closing ceremony

[forest egret]

I've heard it's gonna be a small thing, but news is news so that's good

[quiet frost]

Wow watching you guys chat as someone who enjoys spoilers is weird lol

Knowing the answers to all these questions/thoughts

[quiet frost]

Hot take: what if we did a kanto remake? I know it sounds crazy and creative, but why not?

[forest egret]

I wish, it's all I've ever wanted

[patent rivet]

Look it up on the internet

[forest egret]

Or don't, either way let's stop bringing up pokemon's genitals

[quiet frost]

guys guys did you know that in terms of...

[forest egret]

...cuteness, Flareon is the most huggable mon

[quiet frost]

vaporeon is the

x)

[forest egret]

[quiet frost]

was searching up the copypasta and found this

[forest egret]

Yeah, stop now

Keep in mind we have a rule for this type of thing, and I know how this server gets when 1 person brings up this stuff

[quiet frost]

understandable

[quiet frost]

it does already though

it's grass/normal

[forest egret]

Oh is it, I forgot

[quiet frost]

I kinda like smoliv but i'm afraid they'll ruin his evo

[forest egret]

Well, hope for the best but prepare for the worst

I just wanna see what Fuecoco turns into

[quiet frost]

Oooo

I read leaks so i can say fuecoco seems like the best starter so far

[wide iris]

having normal as a second type is, like

does it even count

normal/ghost is cool

[quiet frost]

Yeah it really doesn't

[wide iris]

normal/anything weak to fighting is terrible

[patent rivet]

I like Drampa

[quiet frost]

don't you insult the greatest and unused flying/normal type not weak to fighting

[quiet frost]

his face is ugly imo

[forest egret]

Yeah the most underused type combo of all time

[wide iris]

ok drampa is cute because he's funny grampa

[forest egret]

I like Drampa too

[wide iris]

but like, it's more his design than his typing that are fun and good

[forest egret]

I think it's fine. We were gonna get 1 normal/dragon eventually so I'm glad it atleast went to a mon with a fitting design

[wide iris]

but like what I'm sayin is

you tell me smoliv is grass/normal? I feel nothing

[forest egret]

Yeah exactly, me neither

[patent rivet]

He doesn’t even really fit the normal type like Drampa does

[forest egret]

Yeah exactly, it just looks like Mono grass

Still, there's always the chance it becomes a different type combo on evo. I'm not... counting on it now, but yeah

[patent rivet]

Meanwhile Cetitan looks like it should be dual type and it isn’t

[wide iris]

water ice is a lot better typing too

[quiet frost]

Do you think it will get an evo?

[patent rivet]

No

Maybe a prevo

[quiet frost]

Ding ding we have a winner

[forest egret]

Cetitan looks like he'll just be Cetitan to me but who knows, a prevo isn't impossible

[quiet frost]

Cetitan was dissapointing

[wide iris]

that's what we thought about drednaw

[quiet frost]

Like he just feels... bland

[wide iris]

and drednaw was surprisingly fun to use so who knows

[quiet frost]

I was sure he'd get an evo and then...

[patent rivet]

Base Drednaw is the only one of that line that looks good to me

The prevo and gmax are ugly

[forest egret]

I agree kinda yeah

[wide iris]

be nice to gamera

he's a friend to all children

[quiet frost]

Quaxly and fuecoco seemed like the best mons revealed, but quaxly will be similar to gen 8 starters

[wide iris]

https://tenor.com/view/gamera-guiron-turtle-jet-turtle-flying-turtle-gif-15461643

[patent rivet]

It would look better if the gmax didn’t have a giant turtleneck made of his own flesh

[quiet frost]

Except for smoliv the reveals so far were very underwhelming tbh

[forest egret]

According to leaks, the final starter evo classifications are:
Sprigatito = ||The Magician Pokemon||
Fuecoco = ||The Singer Pokemon||
Quaxly = ||The Dancer Pokemon||

[wide iris]

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-duck-vibing-duck-epic-duck-duck-gif-21789177

[quiet frost]

Yeah it's confirmed

[forest egret]

Just makes me even more interested in what Fuecoco will become

His is also the only one of the 3 we haven't seen leaked shots of

[vestal aurora]

I think that they can't ruin fuecoco

If they do i just won't evolve it 🚎

[quiet frost]

And according to the leaks (Number of legs) ||fuecoco is the only quadrupedal one ||

[wide iris]

🤔

But

[quiet frost]

lmao fixed

wrong wording

[wide iris]

Oh lol

[forest egret]

Ah there we go

[wide iris]

Yeah that makes sense

[quiet frost]

was thinking about how the starters are so i typed what they are

@forest egret fuecoco's type is ||ghost fire|| right

so my theory is

[forest egret]

I think so yeah

[quiet frost]

||since we know it will have a bird on it's head (from kaka)||

||i think it will be some fiery skelet crocodile with a singing bird on it's head, as a referance to the spanish day of the dead and to the bird that helps crocodile teeth||

[patent rivet]

||so that symbiotic relationship where a bird cleans a gator’s teeth?||

[quiet frost]

yeah

[wide iris]

||Dia de los muertos is mexican though||

[forest egret]

||I'm not sure how literal we're supposed to take Khu's riddle exactly, but I mean, if that's the direction they go then maybe they can make it work||

[quiet frost]

||well we know for sure that there will be sushi pokemon from japan so :)||

[wide iris]

||just making sure you know||

[quiet frost]

||day of the dead is a bit closer already if you see what i mean||

[quiet frost]

||thanks||

||spanish is the national language right? So wouldn't be surprised if they put pokemon from brazil and other spanish speaking countries||

Oh my god i just remembered

[wide iris]

||brazilians don't speak spanish||

[quiet frost]

||quaxly evo is brazillian right? From a brazillian dancer pic kaka posted||

[forest egret]

They speak Portuguese, but they are somewhat similar

[quiet frost]

Didn't know that, damn

[wide iris]

yeah it's weird

[quiet frost]

Well the games include portugal as well so why not

[forest egret]

I would also like to remind people that pokemon have never been confined to following the real world 100%

[wide iris]

because brazil was technically on the right half of what the pope designated was the line of what spain and portugal could claim

[forest egret]

The hawaiian koala bear, for example

[wide iris]

since gen 6 they've been trying to make the starters* at least fit the country it's based on, or at least 2 out of 3

[quiet frost]

Oh no, greninja

[wide iris]

2 out of 3!

decidueye doesn't really fit either besides the endangered/extinct theme

[quiet frost]

french frog legs

[wide iris]

oh yeah

and he's got some juicy ones too huh

[forest egret]

What would be the other 2's french connection

[wide iris]

Knights and Wizards

very european

[forest egret]

It seems like they just happened to not be unfitting coincidentally

[patent rivet]

A wrestler, archer, and mermaid are very Hawaiian

[wide iris]

I know the theme was fighter/mage/thief

I dunno about archers but wrestlers and mermaids are

[forest egret]

These all seem like kinda reachy. I mean look, I think if the starters don't fit the region's country of origin, that's ok, and if they do, then that'd be cool too. Either way, I just hope that the actual designs for the new dudes end up good

[quiet frost]

There is a french streamer/youtuber that is doing a very ambitious romhack atm

And the theme is medieval, where they redo the whole gen 6 region based on medieval france, as well as the mons

[wide iris]

hey all I said was someone called dayya the dead spanish and it ain't

[forest egret]

Of course

I just assumed he'd be ||fire/ghost because he's a ghost pepper||

[quiet frost]

Quaxly's evo got ruined

And sprig being what you know it is isn't good

fuecoco fan club

[forest egret]

I've seen the blurry poorly cropped screenshots of both yes, I'll have to wait and see how they look in full before I can truly decide if I like them or not

[quiet frost]

i'll dm you sometheing (nvm)

Quaxly leaked evo spoiler

[forest egret]

Yeah we've seen these already, I posted the quaxly one when I first saw it

[quiet frost]

Personally i don't really like him because his body looks so ||thin||

[quiet frost]

But the fanart is pretty good though

[wide iris]

inb4 giant duck butt

it looks more to me like the ||red bits will go over the eyes like a mask||

[forest egret]

I'd like that

[quiet frost]

In 2013, because of inflation, pokemon games sold 3 millions copies only, which lead to gamefreak coming close to banckrupcy

Google "pokemon inflation" to find out more

[forest egret]

[smoky bison]

Is it beyond just a concept stage?

[quiet frost]

Far beyond yeah

[smoky bison]

demo?

[quiet frost]

Not yet i don't think so

[smoky bison]

Any leaks or anything yet?

[quiet frost]

he did do 2 videos presenting the game overall

[smoky bison]

oh, you had me excited there

It's 2D, I thought they were romhacking a gen 6 game

[quiet frost]

Ohhh

No, i meant the setting of gen 6

Like the universe

But yeah it's 2d

It does have a good artstyle though

[limpid depot]

You're lucky all the brazilians weren't here to dogpile on you when you said this lol

[quiet frost]

This felt so weird lol

Didn't have a second of doubt Brazilians spoke spanish

[limpid depot]

Yeah Brazilians are used to that
(I'm brazilian)

[untold ridge]

hola amigo

cómo estás

[limpid depot]

Ksksksks

[patent rivet]

That Brazilians don’t speak Spanish is the only thing I remember from social studies class parts about South America

[limpid depot]

It's pretty easy to remember when you know the basic history of colonization
Brazil was colonized by portugual, while most of the rest of south america was by spain, and the USA by the british
And also france was there kinda randomly in some places sometimes, mostly canada

[quiet frost]

I remember in grades 6-7 when history was introduced into the time table i was fascinated about it

Literally spent so much time reading history and watching documental films

Good times when it was the first civilisations and the roman empire

And then middle ages, kinda interesting too

But had less and less time for history

And now it's just a super annoying subject, our time is unbelievably boring to read about

[untold ridge]

LOL sorry i just thought it would be fun

:()

[limpid depot]

Well yeah I was laughing lol

[untold ridge]

oh nice xd

[limpid depot]

Normally the equivalent to "lol" in Brazil is kkkkkkk but I put some "s" in there when talking to english speakers
Cuz yknow

[untold ridge]

👁️

[white jungle]

Yeah you should only be worried when he starts throwing in y's

[vestal aurora]

||So apparently there'll be a petrel and a crane pokemon and i'm really excited for that||

[fickle birch]

||Annoyingly, apparently it's going to be based more on a dancer than a conquistador. 😦||

[smoky bison]

It seems there is no need to expect the Spanish inquisition after all

[white jungle]

||I prefer my ducks to wear tights instead of brutalising natives but that's just me||

[smoky bison]

||to each their own ||

[rich coral]

||They can do both you know.||

[quiet frost]

I think you meant they are* both

look at those thighs

[untold ridge]

|| AH mi tio pedro. Era un hombre tan encantador, me entristeció mucho cuando murió en la gran guerra de España.||

hora de robar un gesto de mano nacional

🤌

[ripe thunder]

This channel is like a REDACTED file

[rich coral]

It is.

[molten chasm]

If someone put this in a "no context" channel, just this image right here, it would be the complete experience. 😂

[gloomy inlet]

||never|| ||gonna|| ||give|| ||you|| ||up||

[untold ridge]

i just opened the last two spoiler words by mistake xd

[supple fern]

What time will the new footage release

[vestal aurora]

Been wondering the same thing

[late tendon]

Do we know the date?

[forest egret]

This apparently

[late tendon]

Thank

Must be 5pm my time

[quiet frost]

hype

[untold ridge]

oh its in the morning for me

[patent rivet]

I don’t know why when I look up CST time right now the first result is CT, which is not the same thing since I then click on a different website where it says central standard time and it’s an hour earlier than CT

Anyways, my timezone is 2 hours ahead of CST

[fickle birch]

Which I assume is 3 PM my time? I think you're two hours ahead of us Brits. 🙂

When they're hosting an event in London, don't know why they can't use BST for the announcement.

[wanton idol]

what

new footage

already?

[wanton idol]

2 pm for this dane then

[fickle birch]

I remember SwSh giving us a trailer in late August in which it showed off Galarian Weezing, Zigzagoon, Linoone and then Obstagoon. I remember it so clearly because I was so excited and surprised when they announced Linoone was evolving, and I was staying at a friend's house to do a summer internship close to where she lived. Good times. 😄

Tangent aside, if this one is following a similar pattern, I expect we'll be getting more on the leaked ||Paradox Forms||, or at least more regionals because we've oddly not heard a lot about those other than Wooper in the leaks. 🙂

[wide iris]

Yeah news should speed up a bit as we get closer to november

Plus we skipped a month of reveals

[lament glen]

I don't like Obstagoon. The black white style of the regional form is cool but the design is not good at all imo

[wide iris]

Keep his name out your mouth

Obstagoon is a wild and radical dude

[white jungle]

||Having just learnt about paradox forms, I really hope there are more than what's leaked. Like a lot more. I know it sounds kinda greedy but imo there should be a ton of paradox forms given that the gimmick literally has no unique forms as far as we know||

[wide iris]

The long legs are meant to resemble the skinny leather trous that hair metal rockers wore

[lament glen]

Just because something is based on something doesnt mean that it has to be good 😤

[wide iris]

Why would it just be that

He's good because he's cool

Fun to use too

He got me over my prejudice against normal types

I mention the legs because people say he'd look better without them

Which is incorrect

[lament glen]

I just don't like his tongue and neck and jacket and stuff

I get what its all based on but meh 😑

Also Furfrou with tophat best normal type

[lapis linden]

Based

[wide iris]

Maybe if you got him before anyone got bored of playing xy

[lament glen]

He's also an early game mon in ultra sun and moon, so that makes 2 bad pokemon games where you can get him

[wide iris]

I forget where the salon is in alola

The dogie salon

[lament glen]

Its part of the hairstyle shops, so you can get it in the first big city

Man, gen 7 town themes are amazing, just remembered them again

[wide iris]

I only remember hauoli and I got bored of it before I left the 1st time

[lament glen]

This one is so great https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70qYGxqjFhU&t=3s

All of them have amazing vibes imo

And then they compleatly butchered the OST in sword and shield

[wide iris]

I've worked on a project cataloguing how pokemon lost its groove since gen 5

the songs used to be so funky

[lament glen]

I wouldnt say that gen 4 was funky at all

This ost on the other hand is very funky, but also absolutely terrible https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aik6tC8g1E&list=PLOu8szmGb7ik9ZqrqeAlR6XKDZk5WTZaj&index=4

[white jungle]

Gen 4 just wasn't funky in general I'm sorry.

[wide iris]

You haven't listened closely to all the songs

[white jungle]

I don't hate gen 4 but honestly I don't remember enjoying it all that much while playing.

[wide iris]

Even the 2nd town had lots of little intricacies to its backings that made a good beat

[white jungle]

Then again, Soulsilver and BW/2 were my favourite games so maybe I just disliked the style of the older Pokémon DS game in comparison?

[wide iris]

Hearthome is a top 10 motown groove

[lament glen]

I have heavy nostalgia for it so I can't give objective judgement on it, but the overworld graphics and the mostly pretty slow ost are amazing to me

[wide iris]

And that's not even to mention the galactic overworld musics

[white jungle]

I think I got stuck and couldn't figure out how to get any further as a kid, which almost certainly didn't help

[lament glen]

Eterna forest = peak

[wide iris]

https://youtu.be/1r2j54GCiEw

[white jungle]

Maybe I'll play a Platinum hack at some point

[wide iris]

like if you listen to this and say 'ain't funk' I can't help you

[lament glen]

sure, team galactic is funk

But thats about it for the entire game

maybe game corner too, idk

Don't get me wrong, I 100% agree that pokemon lost its soul after gen 5

Tho I still like the base gen 7 games a lot

[wide iris]

see people think that because a couple of the route musics that get reused and the wild/trainer battle theme are boring

which is true

[white jungle]

Gen 7 was super let down by the sequels to me, almost to the point of taking away from the first games, and it's not even necessarily because I think USUM are bad games, I don't

But I got so fucking BORED by USUM

[lament glen]

The wild battle and trainer theme just get waaaay to repetitive with how long battles tend to go in gen 4, that is very true

Pretty much every soundtrack in this game gives me huge nostalgia but when I hear the wild battle theme, I just sigh xD

[white jungle]

I couldn't even get to the good stuff

Literally the most tutorial heavy Pokémon games and they make you do it again

Hell.

[lament glen]

The ultra games completely ruin the story and characters

[white jungle]

Eh

Colress Funnee

[wide iris]

oh yeah there's the entirety of the gen 4 battle frontier soundtrack

barry's encounter theme, every galactic theme, all of the later routes, mount coronet, gym, champion, giratina, the super contest theme

it's a good deal less groovy than gen 2 (which is the king of groove) but it's still plenty good enough to be considered among the other greats

BDSP's greatest sin was not updating the ost or the soundfont at all, because what really dragged it all down was that midi

[white jungle]

Do you guys think Toby Fox is desperately trying to convince Gamefreak to let him put Megalovania in the game?

I figure he's either tired of it or desperately wants to continue the legacy

[wide iris]

I like to think he at least mentions it by name in every meeting

just to get it in their heads

[white jungle]

He finds a way to slip it into every conversation like subliminal messaging

They'll ask him what his ideas are for Grusha's theme and he'll go "well... When I was making Megalovania-" and he sees one of them make a face of like oh yeah Megalovania 🤔 and he knows he's got them right where he wants them

[lament glen]

totally

[wide iris]

honestly

[white jungle]

As we all know, all conversations with anyone working on a game occur in a meeting room in suits around a large table, usually with a whiteboard or some sort of board with paper on it

And this has been no way hampered or made even less realistic by the pandemic

[wide iris]

if SV just had remastered versions of undertale and deltarune songs with barely any composition updates, I'd probably enjoy it more than whatever score it's going to have

[white jungle]

I mean... You're right, but you shouldn't say it

Undertale and Deltarune are groovy, as memeable as they are

I would genuinely love him to get Megalovania in there. I mean he does it differently each time, and I'd like to see his Pokémon take on it

[wide iris]

If I had one wish for the ost it's for at least one song to sound like this https://youtu.be/EsNkzuFiMjc

[lament glen]

Yeah, that really is BDSPs biggest sin

Right after having 20000 coding errors, having literally the worst possible implementation of following pokemon, adding the terrible new auto exp share without adjusting the game ballance at all, automatically giving your mons cheat codes that cannot be turned off unless you go out of your way to only feed them bitter medicine, not changing the game at all and keeping every tile the same instead of actually doing a remake. Incredible how many inexcusable sins a single game can have 🤯

[wide iris]

listen, I can ignore every other problem by simply not playing the trash game

but denying me of my youtube playlist?

unnacceptable

[lament glen]

fair actually

[white jungle]

Also the exp all isn't a problem, any problem with exp share is a problem with something else in the game that people attribute to exp share

The game wouldn't be harder without it

It would just be cookie clicker

[lament glen]

Oh god, lets not get into that argument

Or we'll be here all week

[wide iris]

out of everything that was awful about USUM I think it actually handled the exp all pretty well

at least for my playthrough

[lament glen]

Pokemon games stoped being fun for me when auto exp was introduced and forced upon you. Simple as that

[wide iris]

I'd call that a correlation

pokemon games just became less fun since gen 6

[lament glen]

I like using crap mons to make the game challenging for me

But crap mons alone dont make for any challange if you are constantly 10 levels above any trainer and thats exactly what the exp share does

If was fine as long as it was optional, but making it forced is just the stupidest thing in the world. There is literally 0 reason to and it just takes away ways people can play the game. Like, I honestly cannot imagine what kind of drugs they've had to have been on for that decision

but alas, pokemon games just arent for me and I've accepted that

[wide iris]

yeah

It's frickin wild how little comprehension GF has with the word "options"

[fickle birch]

https://tenor.com/view/besos-gif-24773999

[fickle birch]

This town is the Pokémon equivalent of my hometown. 😄

[wide iris]

obstagoon is better than Kiss

[fickle birch]

Obstagoon is literally Gene Simmons' fursona. 😅

[wide iris]

Gene Simmons doesn't deserve obstagoon

[fickle birch]

My opinion on whether I like it or not wavers a lot, but it is very much one of the new furry-pandering Pokémon that I think are becoming a problem. 😦

[wide iris]

how immersed are you in the pokemon furry scene

[fickle birch]

I'm not a furry, so not at all. 😂

[wide iris]

I'd like to say I'm fairly experienced within that culture

and I'll tell you this

the amount of obstagoon r34 would probably increase if it looked any less humanoid

[patent rivet]

A likely story

[fickle birch]

https://tenor.com/view/bunny-what-emote-gif-23702501

[wanton idol]

cough couldnt be me

anyways i hope we get to see some cool stuff tomorrow

and i hope smogon people will let me steal them all so i can sprite them all heheh

[lament glen]

Olive 2?

[limpid depot]

I oddly am kind of a furry the bait is pandering too
Well I wouldn't even call myself a furry but I do enjoy what comes from furrybait a lot of the time
Tho even I understand why other people are tired of it
It feels less and less accidental each time, even if the porn would happen anyways

[wide iris]

I fear the day they make something worse than tsareena

[limpid depot]

Gen 7 was so oddly horny
It literally had 3 separate step-on-me-with-your-high-heels mons

Tsareena was the more obvious one but it wasn't even the most popular since Sallazle also happened
And Pheromosa also, for variety ig

[wide iris]

I remember the brief 2-year span when Heliolisk was to go-to lizard mon for that kind of thing

we were so innocent back then

[fickle birch]

That's my problem with it. Incineroar and Cinderace are human men with animal heads (and weird stubby hands, in Cinderace's case). Tsareena and Hatterene (despite the whole hair covering the body angle to make it seem less obvious) are just human women. Feels kinda sleazy to me. 😅

[wide iris]

hey, it could be worse

they could be Angewomon

[patent rivet]

I see, your furry is a rabbit

[wide iris]

though I'm more of a mervamon or bastemon kind of guy myself

not to mention bellestarmon

[fickle birch]

Frankly, I don't think they're all that far off Beastmon's level at this point. 😅

[wide iris]

pokemon will NEVER have boobs

(only udders)

[fickle birch]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-ugly-jynx-nicki-minaj-gif-4172657

[wide iris]

[limpid depot]

lol yeah jinx was there since the beginning
Tho oddly she feels less straight up sexualized than a lotta other pokemon for me

[wide iris]

that's because her womanliness is just a gag

she's not designed to be attractive

[fickle birch]

Agreed. Same with Machamp, even though it's literally only wearing speedos. 😅

[limpid depot]

Ye
It's more like they just wanted to use a human body as a concept, separated from the bait

[fickle birch]

Back in Gen I, the humanoid Pokémon were all so cartoony and uncanny that they don't feel like "what if we design a human, but put a cat head on it and call it a cat Pokémon?". Incineroar is literally just a human man with a mask and a tail. 😦

It's King from Tekken. 😂

[wide iris]

gen 1 had a lot of out-there concepts that were decided never to return to (*until they were copied in gen 5)

textbook early installment weirdness

[fickle birch]

I kinda miss the kaiju monsters for the hell of it. It's why I think a lot of people like Cetitan. 🙂

[wide iris]

I consider cetitan as more of a "he's the best we've got right now" sort of thing

[limpid depot]

Incineroar is kinda weird for me
I would hate if he never existed cuz he basically caused a revolution and reinvigoration of the whole pokemon bara scene
But like
Maybe I shouldn't expect this... niche interest, to be a good justifier for him being actually good as a pokemon when I see why people dislike him as is

[wide iris]

I love that cat

I love the faces he makes

I love his attitude

I love my headcanon that he wanted to be fire/fighting but changed because it's what the fans would have wanted

[limpid depot]

Heh
I feel like
I like him sorta inconsistently?
He's one of those "looks better in fanart than ingame" mon for me

[wide iris]

that's like the entire pokedex since gen 6

[limpid depot]

I guess kinda true sometimes
There are a lotta great concepts but the way people tweak and change the proportions and little detailings, even unintentionally, when drawing them tends to feel more appealing
While earlier stuff feels just right as is
And gen 6 was my first gen lol

This is specially true for the gen 8 starters in general

[fickle birch]

I'm actually really liking the Pokémon we've got so far. 😄

[wide iris]

and even then the gen 8 models were better than the official art

which is a first

comparing these poses

and these

[fickle birch]

I think the starters are all great (which I couldn't say for Gen VIII), Fidough is adorable but could have used a better palette, Lechonk, Smoliv's cute, the legendaries are some of the best we've had in a long time to the point where I can't decide between them (Sada's tempting me towards Scarlet), and the only ones I'm not too keen on are Cetitan and Pawmi. 😅

[wide iris]

I ended up liking the gen 8 starters a lot more when I learned their whole theme

[limpid depot]

The gen 8 art can be really off for some reason
Cinderace in particular looks
Disjointed with that kick pose?
Something just feels amateurish about it

[wide iris]

which is a lot more solid than the sort of loose reachy themes of older gen starters

[limpid depot]

I don't think the early gen stuff had a theme at all

[wide iris]

What I assume is Turner just isn't quite as good at capturing the essense of a design in a single image like Sugimori could

[wide iris]

first 3 didn't, they started having themes since gen 4

but gen 8 is really where the theme was structured

[limpid depot]

Yeah I dunno
I think the designs in general nowadays handle humanoid proportions a bit worse sometimes
The general cartoonish simplification can work well with lil critters but they could've tried to make em more accurate for the lankier bipedals
It's part of that "looks better in fanart" feel for me

[wide iris]

oh they're definitely really weird

and kinda iffy

if cinderace and inteleon had different designs that still captured the theme that would be better

but I like the whole story they tell

[limpid depot]

Hmhm yeah I get that
Like I said, great ideas I'd prefer to see a bit differently

[wide iris]

Turner's run in a nutshell

[limpid depot]

I feel gen 4 didn't really try to have a theme beyond "generally diverse cultural inspiration", with gen 5 just sorta building upon it some more
Then gen 6 did it's theme really well imo
Then gen 7 just did whatever

[wide iris]

4's theme was legendary figures

5's was world warriors

6 was RPG classes

and 7 was 'performers'

though decidueye sort of ruins it, like it ruins everything

[limpid depot]

Pfff
I think Decidue actually probably like
The one I'd call objectively the best, my bias aside
~~And by bias I mean homosexual tendencies ~~

Tho yeah he doesn't have anything in common with the other 2

And I still don't really think they were trying to go for a theme in gen 4 and 5 beyond something vague like cultural inspiration from different places

[fickle birch]

One thing I don't like about new designs is they're too thin. Stuff like Inteleon and Enamorus just look bad. 😦

[limpid depot]

Like, maybe a bit, but it was more vague than the very obvious These-Animals-Have-Jobs stuff that 7 and 8 (and maybe kinda 6) do

[fickle birch]

I like Inteleon, but Smogon had to buff its proportions a little to make it not look terrible in a sprite. I'd know because I did its sprite, at least the first draft which got edited a lot. 😂

[limpid depot]

Yeah

[wide iris]

Enamorus is just bad yeah

[limpid depot]

Inteleon is probably my biggest case of liking the concept but disliking the proporcions

[wide iris]

Agree

[limpid depot]

He is so dangly
It literally reminds me of a mcdonalds child's toy my little cousins had, with big sticks for limbs linking giant hands to a pear shaped body

It could work for a pokemon trying to be mystical or unnatural but inteleon really isn't

[white jungle]

Enamorus grew on me but that doesn't make it a better design

It's a design which I think if they translated it TO 2D, they'd have pulled off way better

Which is ironic because the transition to 3D is what made the forces of nature look dumb

[quiet frost]

Disagreed there, forces of nature are probably my favourite legendaries and i find that their 2d to 3d transition was one of the better ones

Lando t and thundurus t have great sprites

[wide iris]

Sprites or models

[white jungle]

Yeah, big disagree. The sprites are awesome, their designs are done super well

I've said it before, I'll say it again, their models are just ripped Winston Churchill

For how built they are they are 60% neck roll

They're out here looking like Gideon from Gravity Falls

[quiet frost]

models, models

[rich coral]

So, new trailer today in about 4 and half hours, what do you think about it?

[white jungle]

Tbh just hope it's a short thing to reveal ||paradox forms|| officially, or in general just more Pokémon

[forest egret]

It's apparently gonna be a small one so I hope they give us atleast something new in it

[late tendon]

I tried avoiding leaks so hard so I hope to see some cool stuff in the news

the only thing I saw when kaka just appeared to leak everything and I didn't expect that was ||Girafarig and Amoonguss||

[lament glen]

If they reveal difficulty options I might actually be interested

[white jungle]

Yeah well it depends whether small means just the length of the trailer or also refers to the news itself

Because ||paradox Mons|| could be big news in a small trailer

[forest egret]

Ye I believe it was length

[white jungle]

But it could also be small news small trailer, like announcing an event Mon before the games release

The latter seems to early to me

But that's not to say the news isn't some other small detail, like some sort of merch/accessory to go along with the game (like that Pokémon step counter thing in HG/SS

[forest egret]

The return of the pokewalker, finally

[wanton idol]

the trailer is in 40 minutes right

[forest egret]

Like 2 and half hours or something

Or hmm, no google shows CT time, that's very useful thank you

I have no idea if those are the same thing or not

[fickle birch]

I don't think that needs to be a big trailer. Remember the 2 minute SM ones that would just dump a bunch of new Pokémon and forms? 😅

[forest egret]

Remember the swsh livestream where you got to wait 24 hours to see galarian ponyta for 2 seconds

That's how long this one should be

I just hope it isn't "Get ready to meet new friends" shows starters and paldean wooper again

[fickle birch]

I genuinely watched that for 3 hours.

[rich coral]

I think we may actually get the starter evos.

[wanton idol]

i am ready

ready to reserve everything

nah jk i think ive gotten enough

[fickle birch]

We normally get those the month before release. 😅

[rich coral]

Hm...

[fickle birch]

And the final forms I don't think have ever been revealed before release. 😂

Outside of Blaziken's anime debut. 🙂

[wanton idol]

my plan is to just snatch the backsprites if i cant have the fronts 🚎

isnt it now it should be out

[rich coral]

Actually both gen 7 and 8 revealed them before.

[wanton idol]

or did i get the date wrong

i think its in an hour

[forest egret]

I'm like 70% sure it's 2 hours from now

[wanton idol]

ye aight

imma take a break from my pc then lol

[white jungle]

Aye well fingers crossed but I'm not holding my breath, that's just what I'd want them to do

[quiet frost]

||i am hoping they reveal paradox tyranitar and salamence||

Because they will be version exclusives

[fickle birch]

Oh you're right. It was still the month before release though. 🙂

[quiet frost]

Depending on which is better i will choose my version probably

[quiet frost]

That idea was insane

But the fact they only showed 1 pokemon was a spit in the face

[forest egret]

I believe they showed Impidimp too but yeah it was a waste

[quiet frost]

Would love if they did it again but this time 10 pokemon

[rich coral]

But not for both evo stages, no?

[fickle birch]

Yep, for both. 😄

[rich coral]

Huh, in one month?

[white jungle]

||Big excited about new Tyranitar, always feels like a weaker pseudo in comparison to others. I know it's good on weather teams but it's sad that it's not so good on its own||

[quiet frost]

||Uuuh what are you smoking? Ttar has been OU since he was introduced||

||Making him the Pokémon that has been OU for the longest time||

And the fact he still holds up despite power creep shows he is strong

[fickle birch]

When someone spoiler tags something, you also need to tag it when replying. People can infer what's been leaked if you don't. 😅

[quiet frost]

Wdym?

You can't understand the spoiler tag from what i said

[fickle birch]

You replied to a spoiler tagged message about a leak with information that made it easy to imply that the leak was. I deleted the part where you named the specific Pokémon. 😅

[lament glen]

There is only one objectively correct way to choose your version: Has it Skrelp in it?

[vestal aurora]

I just want to see new mons in this one

[vestal aurora]

Skrelp best boy

[lament glen]

https://tenor.com/view/ben-shapiro-fact-check-true-gif-20427172

[quiet frost]

New mons are the most exciting part of new games

Literally couldn't care less about pokémons toilet paper story

[fickle birch]

The real decision is which game has Professor Sada. 😂

[lament glen]

I never cared about any of the professors

They are just bland dialogue boxes on legs

[forest egret]

Yeah me neither. I picked pokemon games based on the box legend and which game's colour is cooler

[vestal aurora]

Ngl koraidon and sada made me choose scarlet really fast cause i like the cavemen vibe

[vestal aurora]

So you're going violet huh, cause scarlet is clearly hotter

[forest egret]

I don't have a switch

[quiet frost]

||Tyranitar will be past paradox for scarlet and salamence paradox future for violet, so for now I'm leaning for scarlet||

[forest egret]

Yeah ||I like the concept of past pokemon more than future ones||

[quiet frost]

I'm selling mine soon

[lament glen]

Switch and GBA are the best consoles imo

GBA games are timeless and their graphics are beautiful to this day, unlike games from previous and later consoles

And the switch really does have a ton of bangers

[quiet frost]

Gotta sell fast before it drops in value due to next gen switch

[quiet frost]

PlayStation and switch are both top tier

Xbox is horrible though

[quiet frost]

And pc master race is supreme of course

[forest egret]

Switch is also like $400 here and I'm not paying that to play a pokemon game

[lament glen]

I have a series s, I'm happy with it. Don't use it a ton tho, just when a game I wanna play and that isnt on switch comes out

Still gotta play Elden Ring at some point 👀

[quiet frost]

My switch is a limited edition lgpe by the way you can't get anymore, so what if I wait for 20 years and sell it for 50k?

[lament glen]

I said "a ton of bangers"

No idea why you're thinking I'm talking about Pokemon games

kinda cringe ngl

[forest egret]

Because I'm not going to play anything but pokomen

[quiet frost]

Imo xbox is just a ps5 without ps exclusives which are always amazing, so it's worthless

Also Xbox becomes worthless if you have a pc

[lament glen]

which I dont

[quiet frost]

My dream setup would be pc, ps5, switch

Though if you have a pc you technically don't need a switch either... 👀 👀 👀

technically

[forest egret]

Ooooh yeah baby my pc can run an emulator at 200 gigashits per second, this is a pc master race moment

[lament glen]

I bought dev mode on my xbox series s, so now I can throw roms and emulators on it and play mario kart ds and anything else on it, which is pretty sick

My laptoo struggles with emulating anything bigger than a gba game, so it's very nice to have : D

[quiet frost]

60 fps on emu 💪 💪 💪

This one of the main reasons I'm selling my switch

[forest egret]

Yeah same, my laptop can't even do that 100% ok, it gets hot when emulating even gba stuff

[quiet frost]

I think i can get 300$ for it with the box and 3 games preinstalled

[forest egret]

Nice

The pokemon channel's streaming the world championships rn, I'm wondering if they'll reveal stuff at the end of that event or if it'll be a separate stream

[quiet frost]

How hot?

80 degrees?

[forest egret]

I've never checked. I do have a temp monitor thingy though so I'll check next time

[quiet frost]

You don't even need that

Msi afterburner is free and it shows everything, cpu and gpu power draw, temp, fps

[forest egret]

yeah the one I have is called Core temp and it shows that stuff too. But this probably isn't the channel for it

[quiet frost]

Nobody cares for worlds of pokémon i think, so probably another stream to get views

[forest egret]

I'm watching it rn and both finalist's teams are almost identical. The absolute state of competitive pokemon

Anyways

Let's see if they have something eventually about SV

[quiet frost]

I used love showdown

But gen 8 meta is

How to say

Hyper offenses i like so much kinda suck

[lament glen]

I loved the meta we had in IF showdown

It was basically as slow and grindy with so many mons that are almost impossible to kill, but those long battles were really fun to me

[quiet frost]

Still possible in gen 8

Ferothorn, clefable, blissey, toxapex

[lament glen]

🤷‍♂️

Havent really played showdown since my last few years of school during class

[forest egret]

I'll be interested in seeing how the new gimmick shifts that stuff

I also don't play competitive

[quiet frost]

I would gladly trade all those shit mechanics for megas return

[forest egret]

Right

[rich coral]

||Actually we have been indicated the opposite.||

Which makes more sense, too, seeing their themes already lean pretty heavily into the opposite.

[fickle birch]

As I get older, it's almost definitely nostalgia, but I've grown to find that certain PS1 games can look really nice in the same way the DS Pokémon games did. I really like 3D landscapes with 2D, sprited textures. 🙂

I think my favourite consoles of all time are probably the PS2, GameCube, DS, Wii and GBA. The Switch is very much on that same level, I feel. 😄

[quiet frost]

no?

[wide iris]

PS1 and DS games, especially the ones with 3D models have somehow grown more dated than any other console

[rich coral]

||Tyranitar is a wild beast from the earth, while Salamence has a glider on its back.||

[wide iris]

I'd guess it's the funny bit rate and low FPS that does it

[quiet frost]

source?

[forest egret]

Nearly every single 4chan prediction has been fake yeah

[quiet frost]

Except 1

[wide iris]

oh the trailer's happening soon

I have no idea where it's gonna be so do I trust you guys to post it?

[forest egret]

Well I'm watching the championships rn and they're like, yet to even start the senior finals yet

[quiet frost]

This one completely leaked the trailer

[forest egret]

Yeah that one I remember

[quiet frost]

And what's funny is, you know there is always at least one correct 4 chan leak

[rich coral]

What?

[quiet frost]

So it's like searching for a diamond in an ocean of trash

[quiet frost]

Where is that info from?

[rich coral]

...observation?

[quiet frost]

So it's just a guess?

[wide iris]

I wouldn't call it a "heavy" theme lean

it would just seem kind of redundant for a 'prehistoric' tyranitar because it's already a big rock brute

[fickle birch]

Oh for sure. But I still think they're really charming. I think the old Spyro games look better than the Reignited Trilogy in certain respects, for example (mostly colour schemes and art style). 🙂

[rich coral]

Did a bunch of comments just dissapear?

[quiet frost]

Also yeah i missread, you were right

[wide iris]

For me I think the 6th gen console era was overall the best, it was the peak of the era where the best way to sell a game was to actually make it good

[rich coral]

6th gen console era?

[fickle birch]

Yes, you didn't spoiler tag.

[fickle birch]

I agree. 😄

[rich coral]

Very funny Blaquaza.

[wide iris]

gamecube, ps2, gba, xbox, dreamcast

[fickle birch]

I'm not kidding. 😂

[rich coral]

Ah.
It sounded like you were using doubketalk and could have meant both this and the 6ht gen of Pokémon.

Not that you're kidding but I was not saying anything that was a spoiler.

(Meanwhile someone just posted a straight uncensored leak screenshot.)

Ah, nevermind about the latter part.

[wide iris]

I wouldn't call 6th gen pokemon the best of anything

except having the best pokemon in it

[rich coral]

And megas, be they broken.

[fickle birch]

You mentioned things that have been leaked by Khu and about ||who was getting Paradox forms. Tyranitar and Salamence.|| Don't name them unless you spoiler tag. 😅

[wanton idol]

think that leak that we'd get a trailer today might have been fake

[quiet frost]

Eh, good games always existed

[fickle birch]

It... it wasn't a leak.

[wide iris]

I didn't say they didn't

[quiet frost]

Though imo the best pokemon game is omega ruby

[rich coral]

Don't we have official confirmation now?

[forest egret]

The time is wrong so if it's not fake then it also isn't correct

[wanton idol]

🚎 you know what i meant

[quiet frost]

I specified it was confirmed fake

[rich coral]

I do not recall you doing such a thing and last I saw you used it to correct yourself.

[quiet frost]

Boo no spoiler tag

[fickle birch]

Anyone watching the tournament, waiting for the trailer? 😮

[wanton idol]

ye

[quiet frost]

Delete

[fickle birch]

What are you talking about, it's marked as a spoiler. 😂

[wanton idol]

there is a spoiler tag lol

[forest egret]

Yeah I've been watching it for the past hour now

[quiet frost]

For some reason it didn't show up for me instantly

[rich coral]

Apparently the trailer is set to drop during the closing ceremony in about an hour.

[forest egret]

The kid won with a Blastoise

[fickle birch]

Why are they pronouncing Zacian like Zahcian? 😅

Official pronunciations of new Pokémon just aggravate me. 😂

[wide iris]

for the same reason I pronounce tomato tomato

[quiet frost]

No tournament ever will compare to this anyways

[fickle birch]

Meme-i-kyu. When it mimics. "Oh but it sounds like Pikachu". It doesn't, it's just stupid. 😂

[wide iris]

Mimikyu is a japanese name

that's how it's pronounced in japanese

[fickle birch]

Yeah but it's awkward in English. 😅

[quiet frost]

Sejun Park won with a pachirisu considered trash

[wide iris]

not to anyone but you it seems

[forest egret]

I say it as Mimic too. But I also don't care and the pokemon anime has taught me not to care

[fickle birch]

It'd be like pronouncing the second half of Flabébé's name like the French bébé because "it's a French word". Just makes it awkward because yes, the word is French, but the pronunciation is different in English. 😂

[wide iris]

it

it has the accents

you pronounce it with the accents

[fickle birch]

Yes, but they're aesthetic and the French vowels are not in English. 😅

[wide iris]

❓

[fickle birch]

You should pronounce it Fla-bay-bay because of the accents as opposed to Fla-beeb- or Fla-beh-beh. In French, bébé is pronounced akin to Fla-bih-bee, which is awkward. 😂

[wide iris]

What authority do you think you have over how people pronounce things if you insist to pronounce it the way it isn't

[olive forge]

Wh-what

[wide iris]

if you want language to be flexible then let people pronounce things whatever way they intepret

[fickle birch]

I'm not saying I have an authority. I'm just saying a lot of modern pronunciations are counter-intuitive. 😅

[wide iris]

and don't complain about things you don't personally understand

[fickle birch]

I don't know French, I'm just operating on what Google Translate it telling me. 😂

[fickle birch]

I wrote an essay on Pokémon name formation and got a first on it. 😅

[wide iris]

I don't know what that means and I don't really care

[olive forge]

Okay lmao, because it's not pronouced like that, more like Fla-bay-bay yes

[fickle birch]

Flexibility in language is largely a good thing, but the canon pronunciations being counter-intuitive isn'y a good thing. 😦

[wide iris]

it isn't counterintuitive to anything

[fickle birch]

That makes more sense. 😂 https://www.google.com/search?q=google+translate&rlz=1C1CHBF_en-GBGB966GB966&oq=google+translate&aqs=chrome.0.35i39j0i512j0i433i512l6j0i131i433j0i271.1412j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

[fickle birch]

Requiring kids to learn vowels and symbols not in their language is highly counter-intuitive. A pun based on phonological stress (which is what Meme-i-kyu is) is something that children absolutely will not understand whilst still learning English and stress patterns themselves. 😅

[olive forge]

Why, did google said bee-bee instead ? 😮

[wide iris]

There is literally nothing wrong with teaching kids rules of other languages

[fickle birch]

I have no idea. 😅

[fickle birch]

I didn't say there was. I just said it's needlessly complex. 😦

[wide iris]

It literally is not

[fickle birch]

I mean, it is. Learning extra vowels or puns based on phonological stress for one name is needlessly complex. 😅

[wide iris]

All I can say is your priorities are skewed

[fickle birch]

Illumise is another bade name example. It should have an accent on the e, but doesn't, so a lot of people call it Illu-meez. 😂

[forest egret]

I've always said "Illum-eyes"

[wide iris]

Same

But there's nothing wrong with that

[fickle birch]

Exactly. It's actually Illu-miz-ay. 😅

[wide iris]

And there's the thing, nobody cares how it's pronounced

[fickle birch]

Ah, I see what's happened here. You've missed the point I'm trying to make (and I don't mean that in a patronising way). 😦

[forest egret]

I think this conversation has shown that you both very much care about this stuff. It's also not on topic with this channel at all, so move out gamers

[fickle birch]

I can't wat until they announce Fuecoco as Fweh-cu-cah. Back on topic.

[forest egret]

Nice save

I think the trailers we have now pronounced their names

[wide iris]

They did

[fickle birch]

Did they? 😮

[wide iris]

Of course they did

[forest egret]

Yeah, it's Fwey-Coco, Quacks-ly, and Sprig-a-ti-to

[fickle birch]

No need to be so aggressive in response, I just couldn't remember. 😅

[wide iris]

I can't forget the condescending narrator they put in every trailor

[fickle birch]

Those are good names because they're how people would read them at a first glance. 🙂

[quiet frost]

I learned pokemon in french since i lived in france when i was a kid, it took me a looong time to understand i was wrong for calling gyarados "léviator"

[fickle birch]

That's the point I as trying to make, basically. That's why I think Mimikyu's official pronunciation is really, really bad. 😅

[vestal aurora]

Iberian final on the masters divison lmao

[fickle birch]

Iberian, you say? 😮

https://tenor.com/view/quaxly-pokemon-pokemon-scarlet-and-violet-fuecoco-sprigatito-gif-25834179

[vestal aurora]

A portuguese versus a spanish

[wide iris]

And the point I'm saying is, the difference is so small that it's down to accent

[fickle birch]

It's not though. Not even close. Rayquaza's name pronunciations are largely an accent difference. Mimikyu and Meme-i-kyu have different phonological etymologies. 😅

[forest egret]

I forget how Lockstin said Quaxly in his video but I remember one of the pronounciations he did was different

[quiet frost]

I'm 1% on my phone and 2 hours of road from home

[forest egret]

Trooper

[quiet frost]

Probably gonna miss the reveals unless they happen right now

[fickle birch]

Mimikyu is either Mimic-you because it prioritises the mimick, or Meme-i-kyu because it is mimicking Pikachu's phonology. I think one of those is a lot better at conveying the premise more than the other one. 😦

[fickle birch]

There's still at least one match ahead, annoyingly. 😢

[wide iris]

There is no tangible difference between saying 'mimimkyu" and just saying meemeekyu slightly more quickly

And you still get the theme either way