pokemon-winds-waves

[late tendon]

so we'll see

I'm really hyped to see the early seasons of scvi vgc cuz I liked early swsh vgc a LOT

you could see stuff that isn't usable right being actually useful

[charred pasture]

I also like the crowns

But not a lot of people on twitter and reddit do... although it's twitter and reddit

[late tendon]

my gf finds it stupid, I don't like or dislike them

[charred pasture]

I find it fun

[late tendon]

I wonder if some mons will have special tera forms or something

like gigantamax

[lament glen]

Charizard

[charred pasture]

It's also helpful for those who can't sense colors well

[late tendon]

[charred pasture]

I'm guessing they would just get special hats

[late tendon]

or something else to their design

were gigantamax forms revealed with dynamax?

I'm gonna check

[charred pasture]

I am not sure

[late tendon]

no they weren't

just checked

so there's a chance that some mons will have some sorts of special tera forms but it's totally not 100% true

[vestal aurora]

Would make sense

And could be cool

[late tendon]

yee

[vestal aurora]

Also am i one of the few people excited for gogoat?

[lament glen]

The gen 6 guy?

[fierce shell]

They can just not realease electric shedinja

[vestal aurora]

The goat that you could ride yeah

[signal dagger]

Wait, gogoat is back?

[fierce shell]

Nah gogoat is cool

[signal dagger]

[fierce shell]

He's in smash

[signal dagger]

GOGOOOOOAT!!!!

I missed him 😦

[fierce shell]

Sad that the goat got more screentime in smash than Pokémon

He would definitely be in a pokepark 3

[late tendon]

I WAS SO HAPPY TO KNOW IT

Khu was the one who leaked it

[signal dagger]

I have no idea why they basically forbid him from being in any other games

[late tendon]

and I was hyped since then

I really like gogoat

[fierce shell]

I wanna trade gogoat for koraidon

That better be a mod

[signal dagger]

why? goats are in literally every country

[late tendon]

well, it's not the MOST fav pokemon of mine, but I missed it

[lament glen]

The coolest thing about the trailer for me is that they gave the gen 5 electric eel guy an animation where he is actually standing and not floating around in the air as he has for almost 10 years now. Finally he looks decent again

[fierce shell]

Yeah

[vestal aurora]

Yes

[fierce shell]

A lot of models have been changed

[vestal aurora]

Eelektross is awesome

[late tendon]

my gf was super hyped about eelektross

[fierce shell]

Maybe they've just taken a long time to improve stuff like they promised in swsh

[signal dagger]

Even if the 3d modeling quality is not as good they are definitely getting better at using it

[vestal aurora]

Eelektross was on my first hall of fame ever

[signal dagger]

Next thing you'll tell me they fixed 3d typhlosion

[fierce shell]

They added textures to pineco and all reptiles

Looks pretty cool

[late tendon]

I just like seeing not very used mons returning in the regional dex

[vestal aurora]

Scizor looks really poggers

[lament glen]

Dragalge

[snow glade]

And then they fix all the bad shinies

[signal dagger]

Looks kinda like pokken, just lower quality

[late tendon]

when Deerling was in the regional dex last time? gen 5?

I like Deerling and Sawsbuck sooo much

[fierce shell]

Pokken is the highest quality Pokémon game tho

[signal dagger]

I keep forgetting there is actually a pokemon named "deerling"

[late tendon]

except Pokemon Snap of course

[lament glen]

Same, but only in gen 5. Their sprites had sooo much more life than their 3d models

[fierce shell]

Also the backgrounds when they were climbing and flying looked very empty

Not even trees or buildings

[signal dagger]

That's the main criticism with every new game: too empty

[vestal aurora]

And they always say game footage not final

[lament glen]

Graphically this game looks like compleate ass and I won't accept anyone definding it when there are so many incredible looking games running on the switch with twice the framrate consistency of gens 8 and 9

[signal dagger]

even though it is

[fierce shell]

Yokai watch 4 looks way better

But we don't get yokai watch in the states anymore e😔

[late tendon]

I'll never forget Deerling at least cuz of this comic

[fierce shell]

I just think seasonal stuff is cool

Although Pokémon hasn't figured out how to get on the level of indie games and add seasons

[signal dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/marge-i-just-think-theyre-neat-the-simpsons-neat-potato-gif-8549864

I don't understand how the only thing that changes in-game when you change the time on your switch is raid den cycles 😭

[late tendon]

seasons were cool in gen 5 but I'm afraid it can create even more time traveling so I'm ok with just having different seasons in different locations

I wonder if Vivillon will ever come back

I want the event Vivillons in my collection

[signal dagger]

I never really liked vivillion

[fierce shell]

If people time travel for Sawsbuck I don't think you can blame the game for that

I like the prevos

[lament glen]

What do you mean with "more time"? It just increases replayability

[fierce shell]

Vivvilion kinda boring

[lament glen]

you're dead to me

[lament glen]

you too

[fierce shell]

He means people will change the date of their switch more

[late tendon]

"more time traveling", not "more time"

I don't like when the game needs time traveling to use it's mechanics

[signal dagger]

It just seems like the "pixel pokemon" for the sake of being a meta joke

[vestal aurora]

Vivillion is one of the coolest early bugs

[charred pasture]

I wonder how much of the dex is gonna be kalos mons, considering the regions are connected

[fierce shell]

So cool that its prevo got into smash instead of it

[late tendon]

I almost messed up Pengu and Punko in my head for no reason

[signal dagger]

makes sense. p____(vowel)

[lament glen]

Vivillon is by far the most creative bug type and has one of the deepest mechanics of all pokemon in existence with the patterns being based on your real world location 😤

Vivillon is easily one of the best pokemon period to me

[late tendon]

I like collecting stuff so I enjoyed collecting Vivillons

[fierce shell]

Spinda and chatot be like

[late tendon]

and my pattern isn't the rarest one but it was pretty valuable in trades

[fierce shell]

Also other than the patterns, vivilion isn't creative

[late tendon]

that's how I got most of my legendaries for gen 6 pokedex

[lament glen]

Spinda is cool but its just a random noise pattern or something in the end

And chatot was indeed funny until GF decided that he was too funny

[fierce shell]

It's butter free with a fortnite skin

[lament glen]

Meaning that it has 1 over Butterfree, Beedrill, Dustox and everyone else

[charred pasture]

Don't diss beedrill, beedrill is lit

[fierce shell]

Bug in a rock

Dwebble the goatest bug type of all time

[late tendon]

I believe there was some other reason besides just swearing in the microphone but I don't remember which one

lemme find it really quick

[fierce shell]

Pineco is pretty cool too

[signal dagger]

I always hear my poor boy being called "Dweeble" 🤓

[charred pasture]

I need my bee in a funny hat 😤

[late tendon]

ah I remember now

[fierce shell]

Me and dwebble own the 🤓 proudly

[charred pasture]

My favorite part about these games boutta be the hats fr

[fierce shell]

I wanna find the weirdest hat combo

And see how they stand up in motion

[late tendon]

Chatot's Chatter had a higher chance to confuse the louder you speaked into microphone so everyone were just SCREAMING when using it

[lament glen]

Dragalge in a hat and with that texture will look cool, I'll give the game that

[fierce shell]

At least I know why Pokémon don't move anymore, all the animation budget was spent on filters

[signal dagger]

wait, dragalge is back?

[fierce shell]

Skill difference

[signal dagger]

who leaked the pokedex?

[late tendon]

that and swearing were the main reasons to delete it's microphone feature

[fierce shell]

And it only went up to 30% at mid volume

[lament glen]

Well that would have been an easy fix

[fierce shell]

So that was just kids being annoying

[lament glen]

wasnt he in the reveal trailer?

or the counterpart at leasT?

[signal dagger]

I think it's pretty bigbrain to capitalize on squeakers using a pokemon feature

[late tendon]

there's a list of confirmed mons on serebii

[signal dagger]

Hold on I have to go check

[late tendon]

https://www.serebii.net/scarletviolet/paldeapokedex.shtml

[signal dagger]

I'm not enough of a nerd to go through the trailer frame by frame

[charred pasture]

I think people are upset about the hats being too big because they were shown on small pokemon, making them look big

[late tendon]

yes clauncher is confirmed, dragalge isn't yet but it's probably in since they're counterparts

[charred pasture]

Clauncher with the hat

[late tendon]

if titles are still the thing, I have a shiny Clawitzer with a title for the gen 6 beauty contest

[fierce shell]

We get to make how does _____ wear a hat memes

How does cryogonal wear a hat

[late tendon]

it'll look FABULOUS with a hat and being crystalized

[fierce shell]

How does tynamo

[lament glen]

Hitmontop wears the hat on his ass

[fierce shell]

Hmmm

[late tendon]

damn I hope titles are still in the game and they plan to add more, this is such a small but cute feature

[signal dagger]

wait

[fierce shell]

I think it's something else rat that point

[signal dagger]

BEARTIC IS IN!!!!

[charred pasture]

Not if they're doing the 3d model version from other games

Where he no spin

[signal dagger]

I love beartic

[late tendon]

Cetitan chased a poor Cubchoo in the trailer

[fierce shell]

He does in animation tho right?

[lament glen]

Ah, so just stripe him of his most defining feature, good idea

[signal dagger]

I hate cubchoo but like beartic with all my heart ❤️

[late tendon]

he spins when he attacks tho

[lament glen]

So they will be cut from the game

easy

[late tendon]

Tyrogue line is pretty forgetable for me personally so I don't mind

[fierce shell]

Tyrogue is epic

[signal dagger]

tyrogue imo is the weakest of the line

[fierce shell]

Tho hitmontop is less cool now that I know his tail isn't a foot

That was sad

[signal dagger]

I thought that too, loved the idea of a tripod humanoid

[late tendon]

another mon I miss since gen 6 is Breloom

[fierce shell]

Shroomish is a vibe

[late tendon]

[fierce shell]

Breloom with stab fighting would be a menace

[late tendon]

but breloom has stab fighting...

[signal dagger]

All the competitive pokemon fans are freaking out because of the presents meanwhile I'm just happy they brought my funni ice bear back

[fierce shell]

I really thought it was grass poison

[late tendon]

hehe I'm glad to see mons I missed since gen 5-6

[fierce shell]

Triple stab tri attack from porygon z

Permanently

[late tendon]

with choise specs

[signal dagger]

oH bUt ThE mEcHaNiCs WiLl rUiN tHe MeTa

doesn't it do that every game?

[fierce shell]

It's funny so who cares

[late tendon]

pretty much hahaha

I just hope vgc be as fun to watch as in swsh

[fierce shell]

Depends on the players tbh

In swsh a lot of people deviated and tried weird teams

So maybe we'll get another pachurisu moment soon

[late tendon]

I never really liked watching singles that much just cuz doubles brings some more dynamic

[signal dagger]

and atrategy

[late tendon]

I started watching CybertronVGC, WolfyVGC and MoxieBoosted with SwSh cuz they used teams with niche Pokemon and did it good

and I watch Pimpnite and WeedleTwineedle since gen 7 because they use the funni almost all the time

just not as competitively

and I'm still hyped for early VGC seasons cuz they're always the most fun to watch

and I hope for more unusual VGC rulesets like when they banned top 10 from each format

[signal dagger]

I don't know, I like watching RTGame in competitive tournaments/playthroughs, because despite being a variety streamer you can tell he still cares a lot about the pokemon he uses

Which guy was the guy that won VGC with a pichu?

Or am I misremembering things?

[late tendon]

with Pachirisu

[signal dagger]

right

[late tendon]

he picked Pachirisu cuz it was perfect for his team tho, not cuz it's his fav Pokemon

it was just very unusual to see

I'm not saying he's less cool for winning with Pachi tho

[vestal aurora]

I just want this game to have some mons with portuguese designs

I can see fidough evolving into a bola de berlim doggo

[smoky bison]

what is the reason that you need to recharge the crystal?

That seems like such an unnecessary quality of life detriment

[lament glen]

I guess gamefreak just wanted to emphasize that I'm right with this

[wide iris]

I do feel good about games with those mechanics

But doing that can fall into the octopath traveller trap

Where when every single encounter is this massive tactical event you get fatigued by battling really fast

Unless you're really hardcore

(You are playing pokemon)

[patent rivet]

Catching strong Pokemon is also not fun, it's just make sure you don't OHKO it and then spam balls for 30 minutes

[lament glen]

Octopath is a fair example, but I think the fact that gen 9 doesnt have random encounters automatically makes it way less obnoxious

[wide iris]

Tru

Another thing is the open world and the focus on travelling mechanics might make the trips back to PCs not as bad anyway

We do see pokecenter pit stops out in the open world

[charred pasture]

And with the gimmick revolving around pokecenters, in sure there's gonna be a lot more pokecenters in this game than a lot of the older games

[wide iris]

Then again the issue mostly happens in dungeon areas

[charred pasture]

They've shrunk the size of caves in recent gens

[wide iris]

Maybe big sis nemona will always be there to give you a heal

[lament glen]

But in that case it's kinda just the worst of both world. There is healing always around the corner AND most battles are so easy that you only need to mindlessly press a a few times, because I highly doubt that trainers will start to use more than 2 mons in this game

[lament glen]

Gen 8 didnt even have caves

[wide iris]

It had some but they were straight line tunnels

[lament glen]

Just straight lines without a day cycle

[white jungle]

What they haven't told you yet is they're adding a durability mechanic

After a certain amount of use your Pokémon fucking dies

[lament glen]

I'd be down for that

[white jungle]

Except from Koraidon/Miraidon which recharges over time

[wide iris]

We're playing monster rancher now

[white jungle]

How much do you wanna bet that Shedinja isn't in the game

I don't think we've seen it yet and I could easily see them not having it instead of making its terastalising work

[wide iris]

there is barely any rhyme or reason as to what gets picked for games

I wouldn't bet on anything

[white jungle]

Yeah but electric Shedinja with air balloon can't be hit by non status attacks

[wide iris]

Did they confirm it affects their whole type?

[white jungle]

It just says it swaps the type 🤷

[wide iris]

it'd suck if it turned every mon into a mono

but if it just swapped out one of the types it would be interesting, it would be the first game since IF to make primary and secondary types actually matter

[smoky bison]

Wouldn't even be that powerful tbh

[clear crest]

I finally finished cetitan

[patent rivet]

Could still use some work, like the janky shape of the left mouth spike thing

[smoky bison]

Left tailfin could also use some work

(((also jaggies)))

[lament glen]

Depends on if the new type is show in like the battle preview or if comes as a complete suprise

cuz in that case you could do tons of 🧀

[late tendon]

basically hidden power/z-move/type gem but with a type changing bonus

[smoky bison]

I was hoping they change the battle formula a bit more drastically

like Legends did

[late tendon]

I'd hate it

I prefer spin offs having big changes and main series keeping main battle formula for sake of good quality VGC content

[lament glen]

I don't care about competitive, which is why I hoped they would actually completely reform the battle system for once in 25 years

Legends was a decent test but it was way too bare bones and unballanced to actually be good

[opal gull]

something can start as a spin off/rbanch and becom the mainthing if popular enough

[patent rivet]

Thousand arrows

[late tendon]

sunsteel strike

moongeist beam

mold breaker

terravolt

turboblaze

neutralizing gas

[flint sequoia]

Thousand Arrows is always neutral against airborne targets, no matter the typing, so I'm pretty sure this wouldn't work

[patent rivet]

Isn’t that only true for flying types

[late tendon]

I double checked

Knuckles' right

it's super effective against non-flyings with levitate

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen8nationaldexag-1632485838

[patent rivet]

I couldn’t figure out how to simulate a battle in showdown

[late tendon]

you find a random person with a weird nickname and force them to battle you with everything they have

[patent rivet]

And why was it recorded from their perspective?

[late tendon]

It wasn't, replays always show random perspective and you can switch it anytime

[flint sequoia]

Huh, that's odd

It's neutral against both Landorus and Celesteela on the first turn, not sure why it's only for the flying type then lol (ignores flying on turn 2+)

[white jungle]

Guess it's dependent on what's lifting it off the ground and not necessarily the effect on the type itself

Flying neutralises, levitate and air balloon don't

[patent rivet]

I also think it's weird that it won't be super effective on a flying electric type until after it's been used to make them fall

[flint sequoia]

It has to work like this then: it hits airborne opponents, but if the opponent is part flying and airborne it will always be neutral

[fierce shell]

Have different smeargle teams with embargo, worry seed, and the designated move that may give you trouble

[gloomy inlet]

i got several Nokemon that resembles Cetitan
https://nokemon.eloie.tech/sharing?nokemon=DC2QG2ad0cbvfdAcAOaQ-Q
(ice mask)

https://nokemon.eloie.tech/sharing?nokemon=_orjIqbIWYw2xJWg0q2oCA
(rock cyclops)

https://nokemon.eloie.tech/sharing?nokemon=Ds_y_pk2HTkWIuzt3TCNkA
(Ice Ufo?)

[clear crest]

Yea, even I think that's quite wack.

[clear crest]

I know about the jaggies ;w;

I tried my hardest not to jaggy. But it was either too thick or too thin for the tailfins, so I had to deal with it.

[forest egret]

Fish.

[wide iris]

Mammal

[vestal aurora]

Land whale

Land shark

Land whaleshark when?

[late tendon]

Cetitan/Garchomp is my fav pokemon pair

[vestal aurora]

Cetitan can kill garchomp tho

[wanton idol]

fished

[forest egret]

Full fish

[wide iris]

The whale will have to hit the shark first

[late tendon]

this is a very dangerous love

also, Cetitan is much bigger than in the trailer

but I guess they can make a 4 m. tall Pokemon a bit smaller to fit the screen

[vestal aurora]

Forbidden love is the best

[forest egret]

I wonder if the size-to-weight makes sense though, I'm pretty sure Cetitan is lighter than a hippo despite being like 3x as big

[forest egret]

Colour fish

Looks pretty cool

[fickle birch]

I'm not entirely keen on it, to be honest. 😅

I agree with this. Stuff like nuzlockes are fun because you're at risk every fight (especially if you've randomised), but having to go back and heal after every fight is really annoying. 😦

You know what franchise has automatic healing after every battle? 😉

https://tenor.com/view/gaomon-digimonsavers-gif-23924192

[fickle birch]

Rather than the weird wooden floor texture that they seemed to go with for some reason, if I were designing the Pokédex to resemble a bookshelf, I'd have probably done something like this instead. 🙂

Also, great sprite Katten. ❤️

[thorny fulcrum]

Damn, looks amazing! ❤️

[white jungle]

You know the gimmick is poorly planned when the hat for normal type is a fucking diamond instead of diamond being for rock types

[late tendon]

I think rock type will have a
rock

normal hat is literally a normal gem haha

[wide iris]

they're all diamonds friend

[snow glade]

Everyone becomes diance

[fickle birch]

Terastal Diancie would certainly be interesting. 😮

[vestal aurora]

If diancie is in the game

[fickle birch]

It won't be. 😦

[vestal aurora]

I'm happy that most of my favourites are in

[sterile garnet]

Why is everyone spriting the whale?!

[wide iris]

it's all we got

[smoky bison]

Would be, but since that is the case, it wont be in the game

[thorny fulcrum]

For funny

[clear crest]

this one 100% looks better than mine, but I knew people would use that art for their sprite. So I went with the 3D model instead. And created an absolute weapon.

[fierce shell]

No level scaling has been confirmed, which goes against game lore and any lick of sense

Gyms should have all Pokémon set to level 50 if they're gonna fo this

[thorn orchid]

I just wanted to mention I love how the new regional Wooper has been collectively nicknamed "Pooper"

[white jungle]

Not really, gym leaders canonically have more than one team for battling and regular trainers don't necessarily have a lore-accurate level they have to be at

Youngster Todd ain't an important NPC. He may be at the beginning of his journey, he may be as far as you, who knows?

[patent rivet]

So what, it still means the game design is bad

Making an open world game where it's designed like a linear game

[white jungle]

Oh I might have misunderstood the message, I was reading it as "no, level scaling has been confirmed"

Like a reply to something

If there's no level scaling then for sure it is bad

My message was in support of scaling levels

[fierce shell]

The teams won't scale

Which means in Paldea the gym leaders only have one team

Even tho this has been contradicted in almost every modern Pokémon game

All Pokémon did was move the snorlax early

All their games could be open world without the contrived roadblocks and npcs they put everywhere

[patent rivet]

Not a good idea to search for if there's level scaling on YouTube, the first result was about Isle of Armor and the second was a Verlisify video saying there shouldn't be level scaling in SV because that guy is just completely nuts

So if you could link the evidence that there’s no level scaling, that would be appreciated

[rich coral]

On the website, phrasing in regards to being able to "challenge stronger gyms right away"

This implies that from the start, certain gyms have more capability.

[charred pasture]

It could also just mean they have more pokemon?

Or stronger pokemon

[patent rivet]

Since it's Pokemon, the worst option is the most likely option

[charred pasture]

Yea

[opal gull]

I mean I could see lack of actual scaling if its just determined by how many other gym leaders you've beaten or other chekpoints btu yeah the whole point of doing it in any order would be that ya well can it's not just getting to skip some gyms temporarily

[lament glen]

The trainer levels have to scale, other wise it just wont work

If you did the 4th gym first, that would just mean that you can one shot the first 3 gyms if they dont level up

[lapis linden]

Yeah there’s no way they don’t do level scaling, the game basically wouldn’t run if they didn’t

[opal gull]

yeah but this is gamefreak we're talkin bout

[wide iris]

yeah, pokemon games have a history of this kind of thing

[lapis linden]

Gamefreak is dumb but not that dumb i hope

[wide iris]

we can hope

[meager oasis]

i just realized the region map is on the official website

woah

it looks pretty

[late tendon]

there's a super high resolution map somewhere but not on the official website I believe

it has looots of details

[meager oasis]

ooo

[patent rivet]

So is there a comparison to the real life place it’s based on?

[spare roost]

the iberia pennninsula

[wide iris]

looks like iberia to me yeah

[late tendon]

so I thinkkkk

even if it's not in the game, and it probably won't be
but this place here connects to Kalos

the same way iberia connects to france

it's just cute in terms of lore

[wide iris]

my own original mountain range

the Blyrenees

(lore-wise works as a hyphen word)

[late tendon]

(thanks)

it's cool to see how they improved drawing region maps

I also wonder what the giant crater in the center will do

[patent rivet]

Something with the legendary I’m sure

I mean, what other thing could it be

[wide iris]

oh my god.....

[quiet frost]

Yooo someone just /teleported a whole mountain

[molten chasm]

whistles Daaaamn....

[white jungle]

Or something with wheels MOVED the mountain

That's the story

It's an ancient aliens conspiracy plot

Sada is determined ancient people's moved the mountains with manpower, wheels and ropes

[white jungle]

Turo is of the opinion that the ancient people of Paldea were too stupid and uncultured to be able to do such a thing, a take which is not only historically untrue but incredibly reductive and offensive

And the worst part is as much as what I'm saying is a meme, Turo being an ancient aliens conspiracy theorist would 100% fit how he looks

[white jungle]

Tell me that's not a man who says the pyramids were built by UFOs on Reddit

[spare roost]

comparison wise, its hilly enough in the correct locations

also enough rivers and bodies of water as well

[charred pasture]

Wonder if it has to do with the war and the weapon that AZ fired

[little whale]

That would be really cool

[spare roost]

It was where Az's Floette hung out all this time

[little whale]

It would put things together

Mega evolution came from petrified Pokémon while the released energy is what make terastilizing

[patent rivet]

What about mega Rayquaza existing in the ancient past

[spare roost]

Teralized pokemon vs Mega evolution

[patent rivet]

Well, that would be weird since megas won’t be in the game

[spare roost]

I meant the lore wise since Mega-Evolution was used to combat the opposite region's thing

Like super- soldiers vs the giants

But also the huge vortex in the center of the region = The vortex in Legends Arceus

[steel pagoda]

Damn Spain looks Dry af!

[spare roost]

i mean, thats a topography map not a climate map

climate map which shows the souther part is dryer than the top part

which makes the map a bit more sense since the top part of the Paldea region is snow and a huge lake.

[white jungle]

Paldea and Kalos likely connecting but Paldea not having megas?

We live in the worst timeline.

[spare roost]

Why would they use their enemy's battle strat

[white jungle]

Yeah like how Russia and America have never used one another's inventions since the cold war

That's actually why Britain has such strict gun laws it's not because they care about safety or children it's because of the war of independence

An argument can be made for some regions not having megas but one that's right next to Kalos not having them is dumb no matter how you slice it

Like in lore you could somewhat argue Dynamax and Megas are equivalent enough that Galarians typically don't care about mega evolution

Because lore wise Dynamax Pokémon are fucking terrifying

But terastalised Pokémon are just sparkly and I guess kinda unpredictable

Hard to believe they'd be viewed as strong enough to miss out on a resource as close by and powerful as megas

Especially with Turo and the like so focused on the future

[patent rivet]

Also remember that Hoenn has megas

[late tendon]

Russia based region with all types gems returned

I wanted to see a slavic countries based region someday but I guess it won't happen in a near future

[spare roost]

pokemon games are made years in advance, for all we know they were in the middle of working on it and they scrapped it due to whats been happening

[late tendon]

At least now I can build headcanons about Grusha

[meager oasis]

I will be waiting for Australian region

[wide iris]

I actually didn't realize spain was so mountainy

I don't know anything about spain tbh

They didn't teach us any Spanish history besides like, the moors and the inquisition

And mentioning fransisco franco once or twice

[white jungle]

I wanna see a Pokémon region based on Boston

[white jungle]

Boston deez nuts in your mouth

[patent rivet]

Yes, we saw it before

[gloomy inlet]

||if anyone wonder why i hope Gardevoir won't be in this game, I'm kinda disappointed Feebas isn't in PLA|| 🙃

[late tendon]

aaand how exactly these two facts are related?...

[thorn orchid]

It's that Ice gym leader from Kalos no one ever cares about!

[vestal aurora]

They could be related

Could be fun that they did

[fickle birch]

Is that actually what's under the scarf or is it a fan edit? 😮

[late tendon]

this is a fan edit hahaha

this fan is a janitor at nintendo

[vestal aurora]

And he did a sneaky

[wanton idol]

Cant wait for germany, hope we get a bunch of german history in there

🚎

[sterile garnet]

I want a Scandinavian region

[wanton idol]

would be cool to explore oslo and stockholm and copenhagen yeah

[sterile garnet]

Yeah

[wanton idol]

we better go on trips to galar and set houses on fire

[sterile garnet]

Just like how in mario kart tour, why isn't there a oslo track?

[wanton idol]

otherwise it isnt a good game

[fickle birch]

I'd love a German region, or an Italian one, or pretty much any country to be honest. 😄

I feel like a South American or African region should be next though, either those or Australia. 🙂

[sterile garnet]

Yeah, upside down Australia

[fickle birch]

Because right now we've had Japan x4, America, Europe, America, Europe and Europe. 😅

With Orre being a bonus American one. 😂

[sterile garnet]

America two times?!

[wanton idol]

What would be really cool would be the middle east

[fickle birch]

Unova and Alola. 😛

[sterile garnet]

Ah

I never thought Hawaii was America

[wanton idol]

WHAT

i mean yeah fair lol it wasnt the nicest way it became apart of the us lol

[fickle birch]

It's a US state, but not in North America. Didn't know that. 😮

[wanton idol]

lol im pretty sure the british where over there too

which is why they have the union jack in their flag

[sterile garnet]

There have been everywhere

[fickle birch]

We don't like to talk about our history.

[wanton idol]

I do about denmark

remember danela-

[fickle birch]

I long for the days of Danelaw. 😦

[sterile garnet]

Remember when Denmark owned Norway?

Good times

[wanton idol]

yeah but then we sided with the french

lets not talk about that

[sterile garnet]

So true

And Karl Johan helped to make the Norwegian constitution of independence

[wanton idol]

your flag is literally just the swedish and danish flag combined lol

[sterile garnet]

So true

[wanton idol]

sums up your history pretty well

[sterile garnet]

Yes

[fickle birch]

Norway should have won Eurovision in 2019. I'm not salty about that, no siree. 😛

[sterile garnet]

But we can buy Sweden if we want

[wanton idol]

i liked icelands song in 2020 lol

Anyway were off topic

[sterile garnet]

Aren't we getting a bit off topic?

[wanton idol]

woopa

[sterile garnet]

Woopa

[fickle birch]

Yeah, but who cares? 😂

I'm kidding. Or am I?

[fickle birch]

Love this, fits the style perfectly. ❤️

I strongly expect that we're not getting a Quagsire regional though, which is sad. 😦

https://tenor.com/view/quagsire-fan-pokemon-quag-gif-25518372

[wanton idol]

we will prolly get a new evo

[white jungle]

It might be more newt based I think newts have a habit of having similar poisonous traits

[fickle birch]

That's what I expect, yeah. 😛

[white jungle]

And they're still like in the salamander sort of niche

It's possible we'll get lucky and end up with Quag + a regional evolution

But eviolite Quagsire?

Hell on earth.

Even without unaware it would be a menace

[fierce shell]

Yeah, quagsire doesn't really have much room for a regional

Wooper barely did, but regionals are a great chance to reimagine a line

[wide iris]

Quag is based on the japanese giant salamander I'm guessing, so a regional equivalent probably would be based on a different kind

tsuchinoko real

maybe this boy

[forest egret]

Tsuchinoko is real already, Dunsparce and all

[wide iris]

I know

I just look at that picture of a JGS and think tsuchinoko

[forest egret]

I'm thinking since it has a sorta cross bones thing going on with the gill branches, maybe it'll have a skull motif when it evolves

[wide iris]

maybe it'll be a paedomorphic type

like axolotl

[forest egret]

That'd be cool

[fierce shell]

A gila lizard would be cool

https://tenor.com/view/gila-monster-gif-22779931

This with a derpy face

[wide iris]

salamanders aren't lizards!!!!!!

didn't stop charmander though

[forest egret]

To be fair, his japanese name was just "Fire Lizard" so that was more of a dubbing thing

But pokemon can be multiple things. Bulbasaur is a frog dinosaur plant

Though they'll probably just stick to him being a Salamander/Axolotl

[wide iris]

bulbasaur is kind of special

enough that its japanese name is basically "i don't even know what this thing is"

[forest egret]

I love that

[fierce shell]

A lizards are close enough to amphibians for Pokémon

[forest egret]

All the spiders have 6 legs

[fierce shell]

Honestly I like the six legs spider

[forest egret]

I do too

[wide iris]

that's just for visual clarity

like simpsons hands

[fierce shell]

It's a more friendly design

Enough to be a bug but not scary

[forest egret]

Yeah. Araquanid's the only one that could feasibly pull it off, the rest it would look super weird

[fierce shell]

Though now most bug Pokémon are true bugs

Unlike spiders which aren't bugs

[wide iris]

oh no we're not getting into that discussion

if you want a "true" bug only certain kinds of beetles are technically bugs

but that's stupid

all terrestrial arthropods are bugs

worms too if they ask nicely

[forest egret]

Pokemon's always used the more casual definition of bugs yeah, just the general creepy-crawly stuff

Alot of people call crabs and snails bugs too, and I mean pokemon has 2 crab bugs and a bug snail

[fierce shell]

I was about to bring up the crab bug

[wide iris]

I wouldn't call em that but I wouldn't correct someone if they called them one

[fierce shell]

Arthopods are bugs in Pokémon too

[wide iris]

I've seen coconut crabs those things are just giant cockroaches

[forest egret]

I was hoping this newest trailer would reveal a bug

[fierce shell]

Coconut crabs are spooky

[fierce shell]

Apparently there are cool bug types

[forest egret]

I've heard, I'm excited

[fierce shell]

I feel like bug types always have the best designs

[forest egret]

It's my favourite type

[fierce shell]

Honestly a bug type should be the Maskot

Then maybe it would become viable

[wide iris]

it would make sense, given the inspiration for pokemon

[late tendon]

vivillons are in the game gasp

I missed where they are but they got confirmed with the last trailer

so many favs are returning hehe

I wonder if it's patterns will still work like in gen 6-7 or will depend on the area like in snap

[wide iris]

the world map seems big enough that it could do the latter

[patent rivet]

But it will probably be like gen 6-7 since Snap wasn’t made by GameFreak

[late tendon]

I hope they'll release the event patterns one more time

these two are the only ones I still don't have

[lament glen]

They should make variants that you can only get when you are on the moon and on mars, so that elon musk has something to look forward to

[white jungle]

Tbh the more I see it be an argument the more I think Megas Vs No Megas is another argument where I don't really like either side

Because don't get me wrong, deciding that everything is irredeemable and worthless because it isn't mega evolution is stupid. In an ideal world we'd have megas alongside these new gimmicks

[lament glen]

Just reform the battle system instead of throwing random gimmicks on it

[white jungle]

But people that are like "you had multiple games with megas 🤓 it had it's time 🤓 these new gimmicks are basically mega evolution anyway 🤓" are missing the point

I can't really stand either camp, same way arguments about PLA graphics were grating

Because the graphics were bad and that was undeniable, but that didn't make the game worthless

And the solution there wasn't hating on anyone who liked the game, or dick-riding Gamefreak as if they'd done nothing wrong

Looked at realistically, most gimmicks are kinda bad inherently because the introduction of entirely new systems breaks the supposed meta no matter what you do. Pokémon is unbalanced entirely, and gimmicks just switch around what is and is not overpowered.

But what most people miss about the mega concept is that it was cool. For the same reason you may enjoy some op homebrew in DND. It's not perfect, but it's fun.

And people got to see a handful of their favs who had been worthless for years actually get some time in the spotlight.

Had they simply continued with them, we'd have gotten even more weak Pokémon with megas, better fulfilling how it should have been used.

It's not a coincidence that the only gimmick which will likely be permanent is regional variants.

Lower competitive impact because they're entirely new Pokémon, and they're a cool concept which puts old Pokémon in the spotlight.

I don't mind Pokémon being big, or covered in diamonds, because they're not awful concepts, just pretty tame.

[wide iris]

and it's easier than designing new ones

[white jungle]

It just sucks that replacing a gimmick that gave us new forms, new abilities, etc takes away so much potential

[lament glen]

To me, half of all mega designs were pretty bad, so I didn't mind when they stoped making new ones

[white jungle]

I mean that just comes down to personal preference but most of the fans would disagree with you

I think the bad megas for me personally range from Just Kinda Bad like Ampharos to Overdesigned like Garchomp

Garchomp is badass already, trying to give it a mega is putting a hat on a hat

But then you get Mega Slowbro

[lament glen]

I know, I'm pretty much always on the opposite side of what the majority of pokemon fans think

[white jungle]

Mega Slowbro is peak design

Mega Beedrill is excellent too

[lament glen]

I hated how bulky they made Swampert and Heracross, and both of Mewtwos new formst just didnt fit to it at all

Charizard getting 2 was also just cringe

Beedrill was dope, Absol and Slowbro too. But I think my favorite was probably Medicham

[white jungle]

I can respect the mega Medichan love, and I think it's a good example of a Pokémon who deserved one

[lament glen]

Yeah, if megas were only given to mons on that kind of level, it would have been a great ballancing feature

But giving it to tyranitar, garchomp etc. ruined this purpose

[white jungle]

My toxic trait is I actually like mega T-tar

I know a lot of people don't go for its design but I appreciated that it's reminiscent to some of the more ridiculous Godzilla versions

My stance on Pseudos getting megas is that if some were getting them, all of them should

[lament glen]

But pseudos are already the most popular mons anyway

[white jungle]

Had all pseudo legends gotten megas you could have just chalked it up to "these guys are strong of course they can go super Saiyan", stuck em in a higher tier and called it a day

[white jungle]

Sure but I just mean it should have been all or nothing, at least with that philosophy I could have gotten Hydreigon out of it

And frankly I'd take mega Dragonite over mega gen 1 starters any day :/

[lament glen]

Didn't Dragonite get a mega?

[white jungle]

Druddigon is still one of my top picks for a mega evolution.

[lament glen]

Or am I remembering completely wrong?

[white jungle]

Nah it didn't get one

It's disturbingly one of the few Pokémon from gen 1 with no special treatment outside of just being quite popular

[lament glen]

That is kinda suprising now that you mention it

Did it not even get a z move?

[white jungle]

Oh I'm not sure actually but if it did I've never seen or heard of it

What shocked me more is it not getting a Gigantamax

It wouldn't even be hard, slap a shadow filter on with glowing yellow eyes and it's the giant Dragonite from the anime

But that's just it, for how much it's around it's ridiculous that it of all gen 1's hasn't gotten anything

Lance had THREE

Iris had one, Ash has one

They aren't avoiding it

If I had to guess?

It's an orange winged dragon.

They don't want it stepping on the Special Charizard's toes.

Gigalith would also have been a top contender imo for a mega but honestly given the option I'd rework Gigalith entirely

Make it a special attacker.

[patent rivet]

They never add stuff from the anime unless it’s related to Ash specifically or a movie (Ash-Greninja, cap Pikachu, the SwSh monkey mythical wearing a scarf)

[white jungle]

I guess so, and that's where a lot of their worst misses come from

Crystal Onix and Steelix would have been a way better call over mega Steelix

In fact, had they introduced regionals a game earlier, Kalosian Onix could simply BE crystal onix

Like I've said before, Fairy/ground and Fairy/steel, two very good types

[lament glen]

I really really loved Onix and Steelix before gen 6. But their 3d models look really stupid

[white jungle]

I'm not sure if Steelix would actually end up referencing crystal or like Bizmuth but it would be neat finding out

[white jungle]

We need to start a support group for all those harmed by their beloved Pokémon transitioning to 3D

I miss Haxorus before it's beer belly

[lament glen]

Nuzleaf

Shiftree

[white jungle]

That being said if we do make that support group let's make sure we don't use the word transition in the name I don't want what we're against to be misconstrued 😬

[white jungle]

Most sharp Pokémon, let's be honest

If your design is pointy you WILL look like a clown

[lament glen]

Did someone say clown?

https://tenor.com/view/buggy-one-piece-captain-buggy-pirate-clown-gif-20009220

[patent rivet]

Well it’s really just how they’re posed, their designs didn’t change

[white jungle]

Once again, forces of nature pre-3D? Kinda cool

Forces of nature post-3D? Wimston Churchmill 🥺

[lament glen]

They just look goofy instead of cool

Nuzleaf is just standing there with his 3-times-bigger-than-they-should-be-hands, not knowing what to do with them

[white jungle]

Nah they look softer and disproportionate as well

Haxorus for example is incredibly bottom-heavy

[lament glen]

I remember Gabite looking really weird in gen 6, with its tail being way to short. Not sure if they fixed that model by now

[white jungle]

Gabite had that dumptruck ass that's for sure

[lament glen]

Sentret also looks super stupid and stiff. Especially since its not sitting on its tail

Seismitoad also just isnt cool anymore. God, I could go on for days xD

[white jungle]

Surprisingly, looking at it now, Druddigon didn't do too bad

Which is shocking given that it's basically a lizard covered in cutout points

Its torso is too long for my liking but it's not lacking it's sharpness

[wide iris]

Druddigon needs something

[patent rivet]

I guess you like the stylization of the sprites since the 3D models are more accurate to the official artwork proportions

I still think they could look good in different poses

And with better animations

[wide iris]

Typhlosion moment

[lament glen]

Yeah, you want stylization in your art, whatever it may be. Without it, you just get something flat and boring

[wide iris]

Those animators were not paid to care

Not like GS was...

[lament glen]

I don't think every mon that doesnt evolve needs some special treatment, as those are some of my favorite mons

But Druddigon is so forgettable that I actually agree

[wide iris]

Every pokemon needs a reason why it's there

Chekov principle and all that

[patent rivet]

But some Pokémon aren’t there…

[wide iris]

Doesn't have to be much

[white jungle]

It's not that every Pokémon needs an evolution or separate form

But those Pokémon that don't need to be viable

Druddigon has no active worth

But I love him

[wide iris]

If not in gameplay than at least artistically

Druddy's an underdog

[patent rivet]

In gameplay I do think there are too many Pokémon that are so terrible they can’t even be considered for use in the lowest tier possible

[lament glen]

Probably Volbeat or Illumise

[wide iris]

There are too many pokemon for balance to matter at all

[lament glen]

Whichever one doesnt get tail glow

[white jungle]

Druddigons only appeal is its high attack, which means much less now that z moves are gone

[wide iris]

Now his only appeal is the GAD

The GAD factor

[patent rivet]

E Gadd?

[white jungle]

I did once get a really good game with my Drayden monotype team

The guy had the GALL to be like "you know Druddigon is bad right?"

Devastating Drake, never saw it coming

Wasn't a win against a good player but it was funny

[wide iris]

It was a bad player that thought he could talk shit

And that's enough

[patent rivet]

Based on that message, did he have Garchomp and Landorus Therian?

Like every team

[white jungle]

Don't remember. Think I might have the battle downloaded somewhere.

I mean to be fair

It's not like he was WRONG

I know Druddigon is bad

But he doesn't get to know that

I'll protect Druddigon till I DIE

[patent rivet]

It just seems typical for people like that to use the typical Pokémon that every team uses since they’re so good

[thorny fulcrum]

Can't wait for Legends: Jirachi when they add Wailord at an accurate size

[patent rivet]

That will never happen

[thorny fulcrum]

https://tenor.com/view/jcole-aman-can-dream-gif-6095430

[dull shoal]

Man, if they made an actual game based off Jirachi

I wish 🤞😔

[wide iris]

I get it

[dull shoal]

I know it sounds like a joke, but I genuinely really hope for something like that one day, even if it doesn't seem plausible

[smoky bison]

They would never revisit the many extremelycool lore tid bits they have created over the years.Why?

Because little Timmy NEEDS his motor bike legendary because merch sales vroom vroom 🏍️

[dull shoal]

Actually, they did for Legends Arceus

[smoky bison]

hushhh

[dull shoal]

I haven't played it but just by the fact they tried new things I have much more interest for it than for Scarlet / Violet

[wide iris]

legends was special

[smoky bison]

I see PLA as a cash grab on nostalgia following the release of the gen 4 remakes

[wide iris]

oh no no no

I see it as the opposite

[smoky bison]

That isnt to say it was bad

[wide iris]

PLA was what GF wanted to work on instead of another remake

they were made concurrently

on top of also making gen 9

you can't call it just a cashgrab when it tried to do so much different

[meager oasis]

Ye legends was a great game other than the graphics

[smoky bison]

I think there were good attempts in the game but a lot of it was half-assed.

[wide iris]

that's just what you get when you only have half your studio

and also usual pokemon company deadlines

[patent rivet]

That’s Pokémon

[smoky bison]

I won't give them credit for "could-be"s

[wide iris]

it's actually really funny to me how good PLA was when it had almost none of GF's usual project leads on it

[smoky bison]

We saw it in the Gen 4 remake, right? Masuda had his dirty hands in there and it turned out terrible.

[wide iris]

the gen 4 remake was made by ILCA

[dull shoal]

Regarding gen 9, it's a bit sad they'll just make yet another game where you play as a 10 years old who has to defeat 8 gym leaders, an evil team and the elite four to win
They should attempt more things like PLA rather than make the same game 9 times

[wide iris]

a visual effects studio that had never made a video game before

[patent rivet]

Well that makes sense to me

[smoky bison]

Masuda was the director

[wide iris]

Masuda doesn't do shit

lol

[patent rivet]

Also there’s that culture in Japan where you’re supposed to respect your senior’s decisions even if they suck

[meager oasis]

Tbh I hope it stays like that forever I love it

[patent rivet]

Or there might not even be an evil team like in SwSh

[wide iris]

masuda is just a poor-to-decent coordinator that nintendo picked out to be the face of pokemon creation because he doesn't rat them out

[patent rivet]

And a couple guys at the end doesn’t count

[dull shoal]

Doesn't that feel just redundant?

[smoky bison]

Do you not think it was his idea to model the game after the original Diamond/Pearl (the ones he directed) instead of the vastly better Platinum (the one he did not work on)?

[meager oasis]

No I like playing the same kind of game over and over with new extra stuff added

[smoky bison]

I think you are giving too much credit.

[wide iris]

BDSP was made to be a remaster faithful to the point of copying the source, that's what a vfx studio could do

it was a terrible decision, but 3rd versions tend to undersell and that's all nintendo cares about

[smoky bison]

...what?

I am not saying they should make a 3rd version

[wide iris]

that's not what I meant

[patent rivet]

Well that’s probably because they come out after everyone already has the original, but that wouldn’t apply when it’s a remake and therefore the only games coming out

[smoky bison]

I am saying they should use Platinum as a base to make BDSP

[wide iris]

You'd think, right

[patent rivet]

They clearly only did gen 4 remakes since fans wanted it but they didn’t want to make them so they did the most barebones thing

[wide iris]

but nintendo is run by a bunch of cave dwellers who only look at quarterly sales, they see DP sells more that Pt and go "do those ones again"

and yeah, masuda being there having not worked on platinum, doing those ones again just meant doing what he did again

so that would make sense

[smoky bison]

Giving too much credit again. I don't think they even have caves

[wide iris]

overall what I'm saying is I think gamefreak is a studio that does try to be genuine and create good things

but they have

no talent

no time

no budget

and all of those things, hires, deadlines, etc, are controlled by the executive branch of Pokemon Comany (aka Nintendo)

so what you have is a bunch of artists who make good art and music and no chance to put them together in any way above the bare minimum

[patent rivet]

Apparently Nintendo owns 32% of The Pokémon Company

[smoky bison]

It's insane how the biggest franchise in the world has less effort put into it than indie stuff

[wide iris]

yeah

profit margins, gotta love em

[patent rivet]

And then GameFreak and Creatures own the rest, Wikipedia doesn’t say the percentage for them

[wide iris]

it's a bit nebulous because japanese companies don't divulge any details

just as an artist it doesn't feel right to me when anyone passes off a gf pokemon project as 'lazy' or 'half-assed' when there are so many factors

bdsp was lazy and half assed as hell though I could tell that at first sight

[patent rivet]

I guess we also need to consider that the video games aren’t there main source of income anyways

[wide iris]

eyup

I blame ninty's reaction to Yokai watch for that going out of control

[patent rivet]

What?

I can’t understand what that statement was supposed to mean

[smoky bison]

The other incomes wouldn't exist without the games though.

[wide iris]

oh sorry I skipped a step

at the beginning of the 3DS era Yokai watch came out in japan

[smoky bison]

There is no new Pokemon merch without new Pokemon. And you cannot just make a new Pokemon without putting them in the game

[wide iris]

and it seriously threatened pokemon, because pokemon was at a low point business-wise and YKW was just a genuinely good game with its own anime and everything

[patent rivet]

Maybe at first, but I think Pokémon could stop making games and still make way too much money for a long time

[wide iris]

so Nintendo had to fight back somehow

and putting more effort into the games is hard

so instead they went in on the merchandising and the branding

started branching into the mobile market

[smoky bison]

I think Pokemon would be fine for another year or two but without games, the franchise would quickly peter out

[wide iris]

that's why they make sure to fart out a new gen every 3 years

the merchandise relies on the games to contiunally exist and to not be terrible

[patent rivet]

And they’d have to be complete unplayable garbage to be considered bad by children

[wide iris]

so they're happy to settle for meh as long as they can market it as a hit

[patent rivet]

Just because something is generally targeted at children doesn’t give it an excuse to be lazily and badly made

[wide iris]

true

nothing excuses pokemon for being in the state that it is, but it does do exactly what the owner wants it to

[patent rivet]

Print money

[wide iris]

for cheap

[fierce shell]

Pokémon mainline games are just proofs of concepts

Very long betas

[rich coral]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-Q3-lN9XoZI

Hm... exp share and non-scaling gyms?

[forest egret]

Exp Share is standard at this point, but I heard that Non-Scaling shit before and that really sucks, kinda defeats the point of it being non-linear

[meager oasis]

i think they just don’t know how to do it or something lol

they did level scaling in the swsh DLCs but it only went up to like level 70 for some reason…

[white jungle]

I doubt non-scaling will be a thing, or at least not to the degree that's being feared as it could make the game unplayable to a degree and whilst Gamefreak tends to make stupid decisions they're yet to fuck up that catastrophically

We may see naturally weaker and stronger areas because that's how open world games work

Say Bungo The Clown goes up to level 60 but School Infant Tad only goes up to 30

[forest egret]

The thing is, the idea of there being no roadblocks and the guidelines simply being "Don't go here or you'll get your shit rocked" is fine, I like that. The problem is that they've promoted the fact you can do it out of order, so I hope they deliver on that. I guess we'll see

[white jungle]

Unrelated but I wonder if Cetitan evolves from something

[forest egret]

It could, I'm imaginine it's gonna be a standalone but who knows

[white jungle]

I hope it gets at least one evolution

Otherwise it'll probably be quite weak

In an ideal world Cetitan would be a middle Evo and it's final would be even bigger

[forest egret]

Its design doesn't quite give me the vibe it's gonna evolve

[white jungle]

Me neither

[forest egret]

Its name also feels like a final evo name

[white jungle]

Can't really go much further with it

Outside of like...

Colossetacean

[rich coral]

Well, "level scaling", they had two ddiferent level sets for if you either went as soon as you could or or for postgame.

It is quite clear indeed that they have no idea how level scaling is actually supposed to wrok.

And really it is no suprise, a lot of the things we see in Pokémon games can only be explained by "Gamefreak hasn't looked out of a window in at least one and a half decades".

These games have more and more been feeling like looking into a time capsule.

[wanton idol]

was playing garticphone with some friends, and the prompt thing was to draw evolutions for the new gen 9 pokemon lol

[sterile garnet]

What's the name?

[smoky bison]

this. They do not have any game designers that are worth their salt

[vestal aurora]

Gunliv

[wanton idol]

glo(ck)liv

[sterile garnet]

[wanton idol]

lmao

[gloomy inlet]

cetitan is paldean duraludon 🗿

[spare roost]

Easy tie gym levels to badge count

Like when a player has 2 badges Grusha has Cetitan and the spheal he has can be a sealeo

and then just give them adjusted levels/pokemon evos to fit those badges

[white jungle]

I think it's kind of a leap to assume "seeking out a stronger gym" means level scaling won't be a thing

RPGs typically have level scaling to make it enemies harder regardless, yes

But RPGs also typically have harder areas regardless

And some gym leaders are still canonically stronger

I could see it being likely that gym leaders scale but are varying degrees of challenge

That way inexperienced players will have a reliable easiest path

[late tendon]

Wrong
Ceritan is Paldean Gible

I think it either never evolves or is an evolution of a smol mon

Gf thinks it looks like a first or a second stage of an evolution line and will evolve

[gloomy inlet]

Cetitan is made using Nokemon

[rich coral]

That is what I hope, though Gamefreak has shown a poor understanding of how scaling works...

[fierce shell]

Legends arceus has story triggers that change the world

So they do know how to do difficulty triggers

And all of the Pokémon games are is a bunch of obscure triggers on the ground that make npcs appear

I really hope it's just a beta feature that only applies for leakers

Or Pokémon just changes when they see the discourse

Pulls a saga

[patent rivet]

Saga?

[fierce shell]

Sega

[patent rivet]

They sometimes do that

But not always, Sonic Origins

[icy forge]

By one hand is strange if level not scale. A kid that play SV like first Pokémon game or even first game can have a bad time if choose the wrong leader

But

By other hand

RGB and GSC have something similar

You have have “freedom” to choose your next gym in some points

[rich coral]

What were those like? What were their effects?

[lament glen]

Change the world is a bit generous

they just change the sky box and add some particles temporarely

[fickle birch]

Agreed, I think it's Drednaw 2.0; a fully evolved Pokémon that's revealed which some people don't think is complete, but it ultimately gets a pre-evolution and that's it. 🙂

[wide iris]

it's either dreadnaw 2 or duraludon 2

[rich coral]

Chewtle always felt like it was designed by another person.

Also I think Khu hinted it's ||Drednaw 2.0||

[opal gull]

spoiler tag khu stuff generally

[white jungle]

The worst thing about gen 1 getting too much attention

Is I do want some gen 1 Pokémon to get regionals

But I don't want to support gen 1 getting more unnecessary content at all

But I love the Machamp line, I think a variant to it would be awesome

I think Dragonite's a cool pseudo who deserves something new

Nidoking and Nidoqueen are dope, I'd like for them to get something

[late tendon]

Nidoperson

[meager oasis]

I want igglybuff regional line

Well

Maybe just jigglypuff and wigglytuff

[white jungle]

The N in Non-binary is actually short for Nido

[white jungle]

Dark/steel or dark/rock, they have deep voices and their singing fills people with adrenaline, often causing violent outbursts

[meager oasis]

That’s cool

[white jungle]

I wouldn't mind seeing more takes on the genetically engineered Pokémon either

Not necessarily attached to evil teams

Like seriously, no one tried the Genesect project again?

And Mewtwo was just kinda abandoned as an idea by evil scientists? I'm not saying Mewthree, but you could always have a Pokémon trying to build on the failures of the Mewtwo project which is far more alien than Mewtwo.

I mean Pokescience has advanced, and having a new genetically engineered monster which is more a success this time (e.g. actually controllable) is something that's kind of oddly not explored yet

Especially with Colress just roaming around being semi-important

Give us more freaky scary science so Colress can further his redemption arc

[gloomy inlet]

It's just my wild thought. What if Paldean wooper evolved into something and then into Cetitan? 🤣

[forest egret]

Confirmed

[rich coral]

We have more evidence of Lechonk being linked to Cetitan, incidentally.

[forest egret]

All pokemon will evolve into Cetitan

And then Cetitan will become Kingler

[meager oasis]

Crabs are god

Even destoroyah the perfect lifeform is a crab

[forest egret]

I await for my own Ecdysis

[fickle birch]

I don't think a Poison/Ground type would wind up as a mono Ice-type. 😅

[late tendon]

never

paldean wooper will evolve into charizard

it's obvious

[thin wolf]

My money is on wooper evolving into an Olm-like creature

[wide iris]

Who up playin wit they olm

[fickle birch]

Funny you should say that, I made a regional Quagsire that became longer (not quite that long though). 😄

[white jungle]

Is it a universal experience when first seeing Cetitan to have the gut reaction of "I don't like that" but then you sort of study it a bit and come to the conclusion that it's great?

[lament glen]

Cetitan? Is that that white thing from the trailer?

[white jungle]

Because it definitely feels like a Pokémon people would hate on, but I've seen many more people (myself included) sort of instinctively not liking it on first sight then almost instantly warming up to it

[white jungle]

Yeah it's an ice type land whale

[forest egret]

I liked it the instant I saw it

[white jungle]

I think what I'm describing may actually be due to the quality of the trailer (or at least the quality of video people may have been watching it on)

Because straightup when it first showed up all I saw was a white ball

As soon as my mind digested the like underbelly pattern, the tail, etc it clicked and I loved it

[lament glen]

My first impression was "That looks like something I don't care about"

Never had a second impression because I followed my first impression

[white jungle]

Speaking of Cetitan
I know it'll probably be a physical attacker
But I really hope it's a special attacker

Both because of the pokedex talking about it using its horn to freeze things with icey energy

[forest egret]

It's gonna be a special attacker that's super fast (real)

[white jungle]

And because we could so get a sound-based ice attack signature move if it was

[white jungle]

Honestly it just needs to be average speed. If Gamefreak can pull a rare W and make it fast enough to actually make USE of Slush Rush it could be so good

[lament glen]

Is there a logic behind that horn being special?

[forest egret]

I will love him even if he sucks

He is my fren

[white jungle]

But like Special Attack, calm mind, slush rush with a sound-category signature could be cool as fuck

[forest egret]

I doubt it'll get that signature, right now the desc hypes up its horns

[white jungle]

I don't remember the specific wording but basically it says like it stores ice energy in its horn which it blasts(?) Things with

[lament glen]

eh, I mean can't say its too uncreative when pikachu does the same thing

[white jungle]

Okay the official wording is it freezes foes around it by lowering the temperature using energy in its horn

[forest egret]

It says its horn in the centre freezes things

[white jungle]

But it talks about physical attacks in the other Dex entry

[wide iris]

the classic freeze n' smash

[white jungle]

So sadly I doubt we'll be seeing special attacks

That being said, can't hate on icicle crash with slush rush

[wide iris]

I can when it misses

[white jungle]

Galarian Darmanitan showed what happens when you speed up a physical ice type

It'd odd that, for a horned whale Pokémon

It really doesn't look like a narwhal

That's obviously the inspiration

But it just looks like a separate whale that happens to have horns

[wide iris]

I designed a narwhal pokemon back in high school, it also got 3 horns

it just kinda looked like a ram on a seal's body, though

[white jungle]

It's more about the shape of the horns though

A narwhal Pokémon doesn't need one horn, but a Narwhal horn is long af

[forest egret]

It seems to be based on a bunch of whales

Like the Bowhead Whale

[wide iris]

I hope this isn't what khu mentioned as the ||dolphin pokemon||

[white jungle]

I just wanna see Smoliv evolve

I'm hoping that it's just mildly feminine and everyone is suddenly really weirded out by Khu's definition of waifu

Because that'd be funny

[wide iris]

Best case scenario

I just wanna see a mon that isn't a feckin' single type

[rich coral]

I currently still dislike it.

The fact that its anatomy technically allows for you to grab it by its eyeball does not help.

[wide iris]

I wasn't impressed by dreadnaw but I was surprised by how actually usable it was in swsh

I think it's the fastest rock/water type so it wasn't torture trying to use it

Maybe cetitan would be similar

[forest egret]

Kabutops is slightly faster but it's like close enough

[wide iris]

Probably

You don't have to wait until the 7th gym to get dreadnaw though

[forest egret]

Indeed

Interesting that they both have the same attack stat

All their stats are really similar actually

That's super weird

[wide iris]

Truly the horseshoe crab was the alligator snapping turtle of the triassic

[fickle birch]

Same. Just feels like it's missing something to me. 😅

[vestal aurora]

I really think it'll have a prevo

I like it a lot tho

Loving this gen so far tho

All amazing designs imo

[patent rivet]

I like some of them

[white jungle]

Do you guys think Cetitan milk is thick like toothpaste, like whale's milk, or because it doesn't live in the water do you think it's like normal milk

[patent rivet]

Seems people are already posting stupid clickbait

[thin wolf]

I'm saying it's not-clickbait cause of what kakuman said about his signature move

||iirc kaku said it would allow you to revive a fainted mon||

[wide iris]

It is clickbait

Whether or not it's justified has yet to be seen

[thin wolf]

fair enough

[fierce shell]

I think cetitan is mid

Interesting idea, but will have a niche fan base

[unreal cairn]

its so goofy i like it

[fierce shell]

Druddigon but Ice type

[unreal cairn]

not really

its a white whale

should have gain the ghost type or something but

[white jungle]

So perfect

[fierce shell]

It's white cause ice not cause it's a ghost

[unreal cairn]

those eyes though...

they look like eyes for a ghost type

but its good as it is

[fierce shell]

I saw druddigon as in it will have a niche in ou and never be relavant in another gen

[white jungle]

Honestly Druddigon could be better with priority

I don't really mind that it's a monotype, but had it been rock/dragon it could have accelrock

They could even have a dragon type priority move for it!

I'd be in favour of overhauling dragon rush into a priority move because I never see it used outside of people maybe picking it once in a while for casual play

[fierce shell]

It has scale shot now so it has a method of increasing speed

And it's bulk wasn't that good in the first place

[white jungle]

Yeah but it's a Coalossal situation

It also has glare, and is very clearly a Pokémon they want you to artificially speed up to use the good attack stat

[fierce shell]

It's attack isn't even that good unfortunately

[white jungle]

But it's not fast enough even after boost to make good use of it

[fierce shell]

But regidraco showed that pure dragon can be good if it just has busted stats and a good move

Even that gets negated by rocks and a single resist

[white jungle]

No there's a lot of that in Unova. You'd assume Golurk would have insane attack given how not good the rest of its stats are, but it doesn't

Bisharp has a it good enough

But you're still HOPING to get defiant off

Bisharp is to Druddigon what Reuniclus is to Beeheeyem

Similar concept of attacking, but one is infinitely better at its job

[thorny fulcrum]

The stats aren't even that busted. The speed is mid, got 100 in both attacks, and the HP doesn't matter much when you've got 50 in both defenses.

If Druddigon's 120 attack isn't that good, regidrago's 100 isn't either

[white jungle]

Different movesets to be fair

Honestly if Druddigon GOT dragon dance you may be able to do something against some witless players

[fierce shell]

Dragon energy scales from home

*hp

So having 200 HP makes the low attack stat not bad at all

Not even low