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halcyon notch
white jungle
This is why Pokémon being completely sentient all the time kinda bugs me
I get that it's for the characterisation and cute factor but like
quartz elm
forest egret
It doesn't bug me. Let's feast
white jungle
I can eat a fish irl and not give a shit
quartz elm
so you cant eat a vanillish
quiet frost
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D_fL1ZQXkAYgtuN.png
Bald
quartz elm
only its outer layer
halcyon notch
hey if you hungry enough, im sorry magikarp but i need to eat.
white jungle
But Magikarp can look at me, interact with me
forest egret
Can it
quartz elm
the issue with eating pokemon
white jungle
Honestly I WOULD eat Magikarp but that's not because I'm unbothered by its sentience, I can justify eating Magikarp because I know if it could it would eat me
quartz elm
is actually trying to take one down
quiet frost
What if someone theoretically ate a pokemon while it was evolving
quartz elm
imagine thinking you can just walk up to a miltank and attempt to kill and eat it
good luck boy
forest egret
Perhaps this is very off track for SV talk though
quiet frost
Honestly I WOULD eat Magikarp but that's not because I'm unbothered by its senti...
Apparently Magikarp tastes horrible to eat according to the anime
halcyon notch
how would fryed gyarados taste like?
quiet frost
Perhaps this is very off track for SV talk though
Nah nah you see I would eat a Lechonk aswell
forest egret
Pokemon eating talk should probably go to #general or #other-pokemon-games instead
white jungle
And dreamt of eating it
quartz elm
Apparently Magikarp tastes horrible to eat according to the anime
blame the person who wanted to make a lechonk and fidough sandwhich
white jungle
blame the person who wanted to make a lechonk and fidough sandwhich
I will not be shamed for my appetite
My dream would be
I want them to fix Golurk
This is what I want from Scarlet and Violet
And I just know it's not happening
quartz elm
whats wrong with golurk?
wanton idol
managed to reserve wooper for the gen 5 64x64 project lmao
quiet frost
Golurk is one of those pokemon that seem badass but suck
white jungle
It's shit. Like most gen 5 Pokémon it's a slow, average defense Mon with a high attack stat (but even it's attack stat is garbage in comparison to ACTUAL high attack Mons)
I love it, it's one of my favourites
quartz elm
i mean dunsparce has poop stats but i still clap the games cheeks with the boy
forest egret
You can do that with any pokemon, but Golurk deserves beef
halcyon notch
whoes hating on my boy golurk
quartz elm
dunsparce deserves an evo damnit
forest egret
Apparently ||there might be one||
white jungle
Now I doubt they'll buff Golurk to any significant degree so here's my solution:
LITERALLY fix it
halcyon notch
no
white jungle
All existing Golurk's are simply old and broken
quartz elm
i like the fact that golurk can fly
quiet frost
Do you guys think smolive will have 1 evo or 2
white jungle
Allowing for an actual significant boost to its stats
forest egret
Do you guys think smolive will have 1 evo or 2
I'm thinking 2 but it could go either way
It looks like a budew/bounsweet type deal
quartz elm
just tell people to not be horny all the time
wide iris
Dude vp is so mad at fidough because it's "ugly"
white jungle
Vice President?
wide iris
These guys cannot keep it in their pants for small animals
halcyon notch
Dude vp is so mad at fidough because it's "ugly"
its 4chan...
forest egret
Fidough looks fine to me
white jungle
They're gross, they just wanna lewd all the little animals and AREN'T focusing on the real questions
Like, say, Machoke
When will they reveal its balls?
halcyon notch
When will they reveal its balls?
gloomy inlet
so basically its back wheel is its di....
quartz elm
When will they reveal its balls?
halcyon notch
so basically its back wheel is its di....
why?
pastel lark
fun, flying pikachu is back
halcyon notch
sad they didnt put in surfing pikachu
pastel lark
sad they didnt put in surfing pikachu
yet
white jungle
Maybe abomasnow will finally be viable
Nah.
Forget I said anything.
It's Abomasnow
pastel lark
dragonite (fire crystal)
pikachu (flying crystal)
drifblim (fire crystal)
eevee (water crystal)
eeevee (grass crystal)
gardevoir (water crystal)
the terra forms i the trailer
halcyon notch
Maybe abomasnow will finally be viable
doesnt it have a mega?
how is it not viable?
white jungle
Yes. That's why it's even more embarrassing.
halcyon notch
white jungle
how is it not viable?
Because it's still grass/ice the only difference is they made it slower
Don't get me wrong I'm SAD it's bad
I love its design, I love its theme
white jungle
The famous water spout which Abomasnow has??
white jungle
They might have gotten somewhere if it had thick fat.
And if thick fat, in turn, was also way better, because it wouldn't be able to help it regardless in its current state.
wide iris
sad they didnt put in surfing pikachu
It is back, in pokemon unite for mobile systems 
signal dagger
I don't know, I feel like so many people are incredibly quick to judge this game. Like, I understand not wanting to buy/play it, I'm not forcing them to play it, but why be so pessimistic about it?
wide iris
Because people want to play a good game
And not playing a bad game will not make a good game played
Not to say I'm not looking forward to these games
white jungle
Also Gamefreak deserves most of the pessimism it gets
quartz elm
Bring Back Genius Sonority
white jungle
Hate the genwunner type critiques but they have been giving us the shaft since XY
wide iris
Nintendo deserves the pessimism
quartz elm
almost all of the side games for pokemon are fantastic compared to the mainline
wide iris
All gf is guilty of is having no talent
white jungle
almost all of the side games for pokemon are fantastic compared to the mainline
Honestly I can kinda agree here, a lot of spinoffs are super solid games. Hell, I even really enjoy Unite and it's a free to play multiplayer game which I typically hate
quartz elm
Did you know the people who made Colosseum and XD had never played pokemon in their entire lives?
they made dragon quest games
wide iris
I want to enjoy unite but the freemium crap is too much for me
halcyon notch
What if Abomasnow became ice/ground and gain the solid rock like ability?
wide iris
Then it wouldn't be a tree
white jungle
I want to enjoy unite but the freemium crap is too much for me
Honestly never struggled with it myself. Maybe I got in early enough to boost my items a little but most recommended sets require the same items
Don't get me wrong the fact you can pay to boost anything that actually effects gameplay is BS
But I always found it pretty negligible
wide iris
I don't like any game where it's like
"Oooo you have to be playing all the time or else you'll lose out on all this content and people will be better than you"
Just don't like feeling pressured like that
If there was like a pokemon diablo clone with unite gameplay I'd be cool with it
But they'd probably make it like new diablo
vestal aurora
I'm happy that noivern is in
I adore that lad
And changing it's flying to a different type instead could be really poggers
Same for my boy hydreigon
limpid depot
The gimmick seems a bit more interesting
At least it isn't just "big move go mdlnvjsndsvbj" with extra steps like the last 2 heh
patent rivet
These crystal hats look pretty dumb though
I just got to a part in the direct where they said “we’ve kept all the things you love about Pokémon” which is just a lie
patent rivet
Somehow this trailer made me less excited for the game
white jungle
If I liked the gimmick maybe it would be more exciting
But I kinda wish they'd shown more regionals instead
So pooper is probably poison/ground (maybe poison/water but Gamefreak seems to have a thing with substituting water for poison)
That being said
Very slim chance it's just poison, and Paldean Quagsire's thing is just
Being a douchebag
And it turns out poison/dark
Which would be very good
For one, I'd like poison/dark so we keep the Only One Weakness thing (but with no freeze dry this time)
But also I like the idea of this Quagsire with that dumb fucking face but it's menacing
wide iris
pooper is pois/ground, it's on the website
wide iris
but it gets water absorb!
wide iris
whale
clear charm
Suspiciously similar to yanpa dog mon
white jungle
Oof and poison point... Water absorb is pretty useful but still a major downgrade to Unaware
(That being said normal wooper doesn't have unaware so good chance Paldean Quagsire gets it or its own special ability of an equivalent standard)
Fingers crossed
Really want the Pooper line to be good
wide iris
It has slush rush which at least makes it usable but like
I wonder why they think it's a good idea to keep making them
quiet frost
wide iris
lmao
I'm not gonna judge the gimmick yet because I don't know how it'll affect the game as a whole
megas were the coolest but hardly ever usable in a playthrough except for a couple freebies, Z-moves were much more accessible but you only got them in a specific order and they slowed gen7 gameplay down even more
dynamaxing was a decent compromise but artistically lazy and raids got old fast (plus gigantamaxes were often just worse than normal)
so far this looks like a sort of low-key twist to add to regular battles that will be unobtrusive if you don't care about it but maddening if you're looking for a mon with a specific tera type
ripe thunder
I can judge it because it looks like shit
I don't even like megaevolutions imagine this
ripe thunder
It's so shiny that you can't even appreciate the model behind
Also they are just kinda hats
forest egret
It looks interesting to me
forest egret
I can appreciate something that's got a more silly look to it. The thing is, there's only so many times they can up the anty thematically
wide iris
visuals alone it's really awkward and literally tacked on, but, that's what you're gonna get when your producer refuses to give you a budget
or a team
forest egret
Alas, that's just pokemon in general now isn't it
wide iris
forest egret
I like the hautsss 
wide iris
Honestly? Pokemon hat mechanic? Give any pokemon a lil hat? I'd be all for that
clear charm
I have a limit on my hat size
forest egret
It'd be like the dressups from the older games but you can actually see them on your pokemon
clear charm
Do we really need those HUGE ||hat|| sizes on a kids game?!
wide iris
and it'd be super doable too, hats are ideal for 3d models
just clip it to the head
(or closest equivalent)
hire me nintendo
forest egret
Dapper lad
white jungle
I can agree with the preferring hats thing tbh
At least normal hats might look better than "it's a candle!!"
I think I'd have preferred a more basic representation of the elements
limpid depot
Yeah
They're basically hats already
Just really tacky ones lol
clear charm
two big wheels
runs in all fours
Lizard fcuk
fierce shell
Idk why they never showed koraidon in motorcycle form in the trailer
I legit think they haven't finished animating it yet so that's why he's just running
smoky bison
any... artists in the chat? 😩
wanton idol
no
fierce shell
I think they both have a running pose, and a driving on
fierce shell
He has a running animation based on some stills
fierce shell
And koraidon has wheel animation, but it's only in promo art
Also why did they fuse snubble and swirling
*swirlix
fierce shell
The bred dog should be a slurpuff form
wide iris
what else would they be
fierce shell
Normal
opal gull
purebread or doughmutt
fierce shell
Or grass
wide iris
but they aren't like, plants
opal gull
that aint normal as depicted
fierce shell
It's yeast
wide iris
wheat is a plant but there's nothing plantlike about bread
fierce shell
Should be poison actually
opal gull
it aint poisonous
fierce shell
It's bacteria
wide iris
fungus
fierce shell
Basically poison by Pokémon standard
opal gull
its not dangerous, and a posion pastry denotes something entirely different
limpid depot
Tbh a thing I was feeling since the other trailers that I didn't want to say before cuz we didn't have much info yet is that
I hope the game isn't going all in for the comedy and cutesy designs and tone
They really aren't my favorite style
But even the legendaries that are usually meant to be the "peak epicness" of the gen just feel kinda cartoonishly soft and silly
wide iris
yeah, it's about presentation and theming and not hard science
fierce shell
There needs to be more medicine based poison types
wide iris
it's like, someone I know was trying to make every single bat pokemon a sound type
fierce shell
Like Galarian wheezing
fierce shell
it's like, someone I know was trying to make every single bat pokemon a sound ty...
Sound type is cringe imo
wide iris
you can't just change the type of mons that were already designed with a type combo in mind
clefairy and such into fairy types made sense because normal is boring and fairy is what they were going for anyway
forest egret
When the first trailer dropped, there was a person on this server who was deadset on Sound being added because Koraidon and Miradon had a sound jingle when they appeared 
fierce shell
I just don't like the concept of sound in general. It makes sense as a move type such as bullet or wave moves, but not all of those become Pokémon type
smoky bison
Wait is sound type confirmed?
wide iris
no
smoky bison
PLEASE NO
forest egret
No
smoky bison
THANK YOUUUU
opal gull
no
fierce shell
When the first trailer dropped, there was a person on this server who was deadse...
No way
Pokémon have cries so they must be sound type
The reasoning for sound types are mid too
Loudred is loud so he should be sound
opal gull
asa whole bit underwhelmed by the presents
wide iris
anyway food is a really awkward design theme that doesn't really fit any pokemon type
fierce shell
What about entei who screams and makes volcanos erupt
wide iris
I'd take fairy over normal
fierce shell
It fits fairy sometimes
opal gull
sweets tend to fit into fairy/princess etc theming
fierce shell
Grass as well
fierce shell
Mil tank is a normal type food mon
opal gull
bread is enough in theme with sweets and we dk evo
fierce shell
It's beef
opal gull
miltank is a cow
wide iris
alcremie is cream
wide iris
it says cream pokemon but shhh
wide iris
anyway anyway I'm glad the argument here is "what type should bread be" and not "bread shouldn't be a pokemon"
there are people who say that [design theme] should NEVER have pokemon and they should all be GONE
opal gull
dog seems well done
wide iris
foodmons, objectmons, whatever
opal gull
I'd worry about screwng up its body shape petting it though
wide iris
I'm a proponent of introducing the Dog type 
opal gull
limpid depot
Tbh a thing I was feeling since the other trailers that I didn't want to say bef...
Does anyone get what I mean by that?
wide iris
I think so
opal gull
I get whatcha mean, I would say that we are seeing lots of prevos so may be early to judge though
wide iris
pokemon has been getting gradually softer and goofier over time
but yeah, they don't show the hard boys in marketing
there's like 1 each
and they're usually still goofy
opal gull
I mean we also have stuff like galars middle elgendary
wide iris
(duraludon)
opal gull
duraludon is not a hard boi
opal gull
greatly dislike him and turtonator
opal gull
I don't consider eternatus a pokemon
idc?
limpid depot
It's mostly just the legendaries that get me worried about it
In gen 8 the dogs were like
The one design I felt took itself totally seriously
wide iris
what I mean is like, he doesn't even count
opal gull
sure does
opal gull
tox had some level of silly
fierce shell
Pokémon are just starting to have more personality through the generations
fierce shell
tox had some level of silly
Nothing silly about music from the heart
opal gull
I meant more the chest strummer thingers
fierce shell
As we get more complex designs Pokémon become more sentient and stray from wild beasts
Tho Pokémon was never really serious
wide iris
Galar had some of my favorite cool/tough looking mons, Rillaboom, Obstagoon, Grimmsnarl, Toxtricity
but it also has inteleon
and eiscue
limpid depot
Eh
I don't mind personality I just don't prefer like
The really toy-like aesthetic
opal gull
snarl was good
fierce shell
Intel Leon gigantamax is cool
opal gull
the flat teeth are a bit odd though
wide iris
thank you gains goblin
opal gull
hair gains*
fierce shell
Eh
I don't mind personality I just don't prefer like
The really toy-like aesthe...
Gen one turtle with canons and literal balls be like
limpid depot
Galar had some of my favorite cool/tough looking mons, Rillaboom, Obstagoon, Gri...
Yeah stuff like this was cool
It just feels rarer than usual somehow
wide iris
I think the flat teeth were there to make it clearer it's meant to be a western ogre over an Oni
wait, looking at it again
yeah thems are just weird lookin
opal gull
I mean I get non pointy mean literally 3d flat on bottom
limpid depot
Gen one turtle with canons and literal balls be like
It was a turtle with canons
But I wouldn't call that a toy aesthetic lol
fierce shell
If you are talking about grimsnarl then yeah
cobalt python
Open world game with gyms 
wide iris
Blastoise is toy-like in its own way, like an 80s action figure
opal gull
they note youc an go ahead to face stronger gym leaders
level scaling aint actually confirmed
fierce shell
It was a turtle with canons
But I wouldn't call that a toy aesthetic lol
I really feel like the old gens have the most toy like creatures
opal gull
dont get too excited ignus
fierce shell
Recent gens have a different art style, but most mons are too complex to be simple toys
wide iris
there were gyms you could do out of order in old games too
limpid depot
I dunno
The actual shapes feel way simpler nowadays
wide iris
with some exceptions
cobalt python
I mean just because you could do like 5 gyms out of order in RBY doesn't mean anyone did
wide iris
I mean just because you could do like 5 gyms out of order in RBY doesn't mean an...
that's what I'm sayin, right
opal gull
Recent gens have a different art style, but most mons are too complex to be simp...
poemon rumble
wide iris
according to leaks this'll be the same way
fierce shell
King list of pokemons that are circled
limpid depot
Eh this isn't about not having any exceptions
opal gull
I meant rumble
limpid depot
It's just about general trends, what's considered common
fierce shell
We have much less actual circles than we used to
Even the older mons are being given more detail cause they were pretty simple
limpid depot
Lechonk and Smolive are as circular as those and we only have a few reveals heh
wide iris
obligatory
fierce shell
They're both ovals, which is super different
limpid depot
Tho what I really mostly mean is like
Not even the artstyle itself, just how rough looking the pokemon can get
fierce shell
obligatory
The Pidgey line was literally the same Pokémon three times cause the first evo already looked like a fully brown bird
*grown
limpid depot
I want more stuff like
Garbodor and Conckledurr and Drudigon and the other dragon types from gen 5
opal gull
garbodor and conkelldur were part of gen 5s stupid redo gen 1 niches because soft rebootn effort
fierce shell
garbodor and conkelldur were part of gen 5s stupid redo gen 1 niches because sof...
Gen five is awesome homie
limpid depot
Yes that's the thing
The 2 notable dragons in gen 8 are so silly and un-dragon shaped
opal gull
gen 5 is good the thing they did trying to have tons of pokemon match gen 1s niches wasnt
fierce shell
Dragons look different in a lot of places, and can't have every dragon type have the same silhouette
wide iris
because they were just trying to be gen 1 mons and nothing else
fierce shell
so many of gen5's mons are disposable and boring
Like what?
I prefer gen five mons over older gens any day
limpid depot
I don't really want funny skyscraper dragon, I want a serious skyscraper dragon that I can look at and find really awesome
fierce shell
I think duralodon is pretty awesome
wide iris
Watchog, Sawk, Throh, Unfezant, Gigalith and Conkeldurr (even though I love them), Basculin, Basculin, Basculin, Basculin
fierce shell
I'm glad that they managed to make a animal that looks like a skyscraper but doesn't seem too manmade
fierce shell
Watchog, Sawk, Throh, Unfezant, Gigalith and Conkeldurr (even though I love them...
Someone hasn't played pokepark 2
That watchhog and patrat guarding the tunnels changed my whole outlook
wide iris
I'm sure some good spinoffs were able to make things work with them
fierce shell
Sawk and throh are quite cool, have interesting niches in competitive, and their origins are super interesting
limpid depot
Eh
It looks really unnatural to me
Too clunky and blocky
Honestly the exaggerated blockiness tends to be worse than the roundness lol
wide iris
but in terms of game design and how they work, many of them are very obviously replacements first and their own thing second
fierce shell
but in terms of game design and how they work, many of them are very obviously r...
All of those mons serve very different functions than what they were "replacing"
wide iris
are you talking about competetive?
fierce shell
Competitive and casual
I play both in my spare time
They also fill different roles in the world of Pokémon, and add so much to the world building
wide iris
I'll remind everyone one of the main reasons gen5 failed is because of common reactions to what I'm talking about
limpid depot
I mean
Not really
A lot of gen 5 stuff really is based on doing similar concepts to the early gen again
It's basically part of the gens identity
To say they fill totally different roles is not really true
fierce shell
And then people replayed it and realized the gens were actually good
limpid depot
Even tho I do love most gen 5 designs
wide iris
the games were, yeah
fierce shell
I mean
Not really
A lot of gen 5 stuff really is based on doing similar concepts...
They fill different roles both in gameplay and how they fit into the world
opal gull
they veyr clearly
wide iris
maybe if you're looking at it through a magnifying glass
limpid depot
They fill different roles both in gameplay and how they fit into the world
Maybe literally, but from a meta perspective they are there to mirror older gen stuff
fierce shell
Even with unpheasant it served as a urban bird, that has picked up on the social aspects of humanity in its evolution, while pidgey is a wild Pokémon that is representative of something you could find anywhere outside
Going into the design philosophy reveals that the mons are only similar on surface level
limpid depot
Yes but that doesn't make them still kinda the same role in the gen
Like, it's not a criticism it's just a neutral fact
wide iris
like "yep, this is the Bird pokemon" "yep, this is the Bat pokemon" "yep, this is the pure fighting muscle guy" "yep, this is the fish you see everywhere" "yep, this is the pollution pokemon" "yep, this is just an ice cream cone"
fierce shell
Yes but that doesn't make them still kinda the same role in the gen
One is a reflection of urbanism and the other is a reflection of nature
They fill different roles, the only similar thing being they're birds
opal gull
they very clearly deliberately in, a oh this was perfect lightning in a bottle we do what made it work so lets redo it, tried to copy a ton of gen 1s lines niches for the region
gothitelle line was alakazam, seismitoad poliwrath, chandelure gengar 3 stage ghost line, the fossils share typings, 2 stage bat, gigalith is golem line,, conkedur machamp
limpid depot
One is a reflection of urbanism and the other is a reflection of nature
But they're both the early route birds and that doesn't make them not the early gen birds
wide iris
and other gens would do that to some extent but not to the extent that gen 5 did
because it was literally trying to replace gen 1
fierce shell
Every gen has early birds, like every gen has starters
limpid depot
It's very obvious and clear that inspiration from early mons was taken for gen 5's archtypes
fierce shell
It's just apart of Pokémon
wide iris
Every gen has early birds, like every gen has starters
refer to what I said lol
opal gull
and it resulted inthe pokemon having to usurp the og to feel like substantial additions at the time
rather than just be exciting new
wide iris
not helping the fact was so many of them were single-types or the same type as their counterparts
opal gull
tbc their were some cool additions in gen 5
limpid depot
Every gen has early birds, like every gen has starters
They have a fighting type martial arts duo, a 3 stage strongman, a 3 stage rock thing, a 3 stage glass cannon psychic type, a trash sludge monster, a steel type floating object that evolves into multiples of itself, etc
It's way more than just the usual gen things
opal gull
well that part was fair
fierce shell
They have a fighting type martial arts duo, a 3 stage strongman, a 3 stage rock ...
These archetypes are just their standard for upcoming gens and would be repeated multiple times
opal gull
no they wouldnt
limpid depot
No?
fierce shell
Cause Pokémon has repeated concepts since the second gen
opal gull
it was cuase they were doing a soft reboot thing with none of the ogs avalable at first so their logic was gotta fill the same roles
other gens do it in a looser sense
fierce shell
That list that caio made they did the same in gen 8
opal gull
this was very direct and jarring
limpid depot
The only stuff that always repeats is like
Starters, early bird, early rodent, pseudolegend and pikachu
smoky bison
Say what you want about S/V but the character designs are really good
opal gull
the fossils again repeated typings intentionally too
what you want about S/V but the character designs are really good
now what?
wide iris
this guy's hilarious
opal gull
oh right boufalant was tauros
smoky bison
For the LONGEST time I thought Boufalant was the evolution of tauros
wide iris
luvdisc and alomomola
opal gull
nah that ones just dif (oh you meant the evo part)
wide iris
yeah
limpid depot
That list that caio made they did the same in gen 8
No they didn't
Where is the 3 stage fighting type that evolves by trading?
Sure, they have a 3 stage rock type with similarities to geodude but it's concept is way more interesting just for the unique type combo
In gen 5 they brought no pokemon back, so they had to do the basics again, without as much variation as they would normally
wide iris
when the games were coming out I swore it was gonna be an evolution
fierce shell
They have a fighting type martial arts duo, a 3 stage strongman, a 3 stage rock ...
Grimsnarl, carkoal line, psychic bug guy, new wheezing and garbodor forms, magnemite has no equivalent in this gen
The urshifus are hitmonchan/Lee
Other repeats
wide iris
no they aren't
fierce shell
It starts at a first stage fighting type
Can evolve into two different fighting styles
wide iris
I mean yeah you have the split evo and they're fighting, but they have so different types
limpid depot
It's a freaking legendary bear
fierce shell
Types don't matter, as they serve the exact same functions as their previous ones
Although rapid strike takes the role of hit mon top
wide iris
Types matter way more than whatever sawk and throh could do
smoky bison
Also what do you guys think of the gimmick? Seems to be fun but will be a nightmare for competitive I imagine
fierce shell
In these cases they actually have similar movesets and fill the same role in both compatible and casual
wide iris
anything that makes competitive a nightmare is OK in my book
fierce shell
While sawk and throh's moveset takes the opposite direction in manner of a fighting types
If you look at actual gameplay and balancing the gen 8 mons fill the roles of their "inspirations" closer than gen 8 ones ever did
limpid depot
While both the hitmons and S&T are
-Humanoids with no real animal features
-Introduced as a clear duo, but one that isn't connected by evolution at all
-Same types, with different stats distribution
You can't say urshifu is just as similar
wide iris
I bet you're the kind of person who would tell me there's nothing wrong with galar having 18 pure fighting types
fierce shell
Fighting types are 😎
wide iris
pure fighting though
fighting is awful as a single type, and you have mons like sirfetchd and grapploct
fierce shell
Pure fighting is a fun type for random battles
wide iris
who are so obviously water and flying but aren't because they're quirky I guess?
limpid depot
I like fighting types
But gen 5 was the gen most inspired by older ones
You can't just say no it isn't when all the gen 8 examples are so much more different than the gen 5 ones
fierce shell
Sirfetcted doesn't fly, and Grapploct mostly fights on land
wide iris
you literally find it swimming in the water
literally in the field
doing the butterfly like a champ
fierce shell
you literally find it swimming in the water
It's fighting style fits land, and you find it in area with a bunch of ice platforms
limpid depot
This isn't even what we are arguing about, it has no relation why are you all changing the subject
wide iris
This isn't even what we are arguing about, it has no relation why are you all ch...
what I'm saying is this guy has really weird priorities that don't make any sense
fierce shell
I like fighting types
But gen 5 was the gen most inspired by older ones
You can'...
The gen 8 ones are designed to function more similarly, and actually have matching qualities beyond surface level
All the gen five ones are designed differently both in lore and gameplay
opal gull
anyways koraidons vehicle runny bit looks really bad right?
wide iris
he looks very awkward
opal gull
couldn't they have at least had some weird pedal situation
limpid depot
No they aren't
Most players aren't gonna even think about the exact stats
They'll look at the design and availability
And how is the lore of the gen 8 ones more similar than the gen 5 ones?
wide iris
I think it's just the kubfu thing
limpid depot
Hell, the hitmons have never been a "single prevo with 2 evos line"
They've always been either 2 unrelated (like sawk and thro) or a 3 way split
limpid depot
Hell, Urshifu isn't even 2 pokemon, it's 2 forms
opal gull
tyrogue only existed once top did
fierce shell
The cubfu dex entires are more similar, wheezing is just a regional, the coal line actually consumes rocks and shares the reptilian features in the final stage, orbeetle's entries focus much more on intelligence and its sentience than the gothitelle line
limpid depot
Once they got a prevo it became a 3 way split instead of a duo
wide iris
Tyrogue got introduced with Hitmontop
oh I get what you're saying now
anyway
The difference is I actually want to use Urshifu because he has cool new types that round out my team comp
fierce shell
Hitmonlee didn't do anything special so they got rid of him
opal gull
what
fierce shell
He was mid game design wise, and there wasn't much need to use him over Chan or top
wide iris
sure there is
fierce shell
So when they can revamp the concept they just keep the iron fist and multi hit nature
wide iris
pick high jump kick and put your destiny in the hands of fate
smoky bison
Top is really good for doubles, it has also seen use in singles.
Chan is the one that is left in the dust
limpid depot
The cubfu dex entires are more similar, wheezing is just a regional, the coal li...
You cannot convince me Urshifu and Grimsnarl are more like the Hitmons and Machoke than S&T and Gurderr
Hell, Orbeetle is also the regional early bug despite being a notable psychic type! That kinda mix hasn't been done before.
And regional forms shouldn't count for this, they're obviously more inspired by thier originals more than any other mons cuz they literally are a form of the originals
Gen 5 had no returning pokemon, so they designed stuff more closely based on existing concepts than usual to fill the design niches again
It's just true! I don't understand why deny it!
white jungle
I like the humanoid fighting Pokémon, personally. It'll never not be funny to have a team of
-An unkillable god
-A terrifying dragon
-A dog that can bite you with electricity
-An ancient creature revived by technology
-Dave, 35, Black Belt in karate
-A monster comparable to the strength of god's which you raised from an egg
fierce shell
You cannot convince me Urshifu and Grimsnarl are more like the Hitmons and Macho...
🤓 time
limpid depot
It doesn't make me like them less, some I prefer over the originals, some not, I just don't deny they had clear inspirations
opal gull
spam time*
wide iris
soup my man you're allowed to have your opinion but I just want you to know that your perspective is so 🤓 to the point of being bizarre
wide iris
Obstagoon is the overhated one
fierce shell
soup my man you're allowed to have your opinion but I just want you to know that...
I know it's 🤓, it's the greatest joy in life
Now time to right a two page paper on why I'm right, cause word count is the best evidence of validity 🤓
wide iris
Obby helped me get over my anti-normal bias, if only for a while
now I just have an anti-dragon bias
fierce shell
I have a anti electric rat bias
wide iris
same but emolga is cool
limpid depot
Wow, "you typed too much so clearly you're just a nerd trying too hard" my favorite argument
white jungle
now I just have an anti-dragon bias
You keep their name out of your DIRTY MOUTH
Do NOT disrespect my dragons
Druddigon is PERFECT I say
fierce shell
same but emolga is cool
Emolga and Pachurisu are the best ones
wide iris
- dragon
wide iris
it's great defensively but it's just really boring to me
white jungle
Admittedly dragon are more to round out a good typing by covering all the elemental weaknesses
wide iris
that's true
white jungle
I think dragon deserves better attacking moves because honestly you've got like
Draco meteor
...
wide iris
dragon to accentuate a fun type is good
white jungle
Dragon rush is there but it's dogshit
icy forge
wide iris
dragon dance and outrage bro
fierce shell
Bug should hit dragon super effectively
wide iris
what else do you need
white jungle
When's the last time you saw someone use dragon rush
fierce shell
Me
wide iris
I ban all moves with less than 100% hit chance
white jungle
Pure dragons get outclassed by tons of stuff but I'll be damned before I say that Haxorus is bad
Not the best but if you get a dragon dance up you're scary as fuck
fierce shell
Just believe and Haxorus works
wide iris
I mainly say garchomp embodies my 2nd least favorite way to play pokemon
wide iris
bug should 100% beat fairy
limpid depot
I don't really like pokemon for the gameplay
So types don't matter much to me in the sense of how strong they are or not heh
white jungle
But this is why I wish Haxorus was a dragon/steel type. Haxorus and Hydreigon should have been twin pseudo legendary
wide iris
I don't care how good a type is, just how fun it is to play
white jungle
That way, when fairy came along, not such a loss for gen 5
Because you'd have Haxorus there to swing away
wide iris
it just so happens that bad types are often uh, a trial
white jungle
I mean, gen 5 doesn't need it's Pokémon being made weaker. The God awful stat choices did that for us.
Gotta say though, love Bisharp
fierce shell
Weak Pokémon are cool
white jungle
It's one of few slow Pokémon which I enjoy using
white jungle
It's a slow attacker with kinda poor defense but it plays uniquely and makes great use of sucker punch and I love it
Plus when you send in Bisharp and you have that moment where you and your opponent are just predicting eachother it's actually fun
wide iris
Well if you like bisharp have I got a surprise for you
white jungle
So satisfying when you call a stat boost and go iron head instead of sucker punch
wide iris
He's getting ||eviolite ||
fierce shell
Plus when you send in Bisharp and you have that moment where you and your oppone...
Bisharp is free octolock
Then use item, baton pass
Steal their stats being lowered
white jungle
He's getting ||eviolite ||
||Eviolite defiant Bisharp in double battle 😨||
white jungle
Another reason Bisharp is great: fuck you sticky web
Love Galvantula, love it
Hate sticky web
Most of my favourites are fast sweepers so it's scary
But then Bisharp comes along
fierce shell
I was a big koraidon lover
But seeing it in animation he looks stupid
At least miraidon is mechanical
limpid depot
They're both ok I guess
They're kinda the
"looks better in fanart" kinda mon for me
Cool concepts and all but some little subtle things could be better
patent rivet
I also kinda think them being given to you at the start undermines how they’re supposed to be legendary
They seem more like just some random Pokémon made by humans to be vehicles or something
lapis linden
I don’t think so personally, i always found box legends don’t do a whole lot in Pokémon games like evil guy wants the power from legendary you catch legendary the story is over 
i am glad these two are more involved then that
white jungle
Hang on a fucking second
School
Given a legendary from the start (at least to ride)
You have a gimmick ball only given to special people.
Are Koraidon and Miraidon the school mascots
Are they the fucking school mascots???
wanton idol
wip on him
lapis linden
wip on him
This thing will be on my team if it’s available in Violet lmao
lapis linden
Are they the fucking school mascots???
Its very possible 
which sounds fun tbh. i assume one of the “Grand stories” will revolve around the legendaries (probably introducing the third)
wanton idol
edits lol
lapis linden
Wooper is adorable
sterile garnet
What do you think the evo will be
snow glade
Im gonna guess quagsire
gloomy inlet
Koraidon, Miraidon, Kroraidon, Miraidon, Groudon.... Rhydon 🐴
Its color is like Quagmire and quagsire also get its name from Quagmire. So... ig still Quagsire. Paldean Quagsire
ripe thunder
What's up with this Wooper? I don't get it
gloomy inlet
snow glade
Its poison type
gloomy inlet
still a mystery
snow glade
Do not make poop jokes
gloomy inlet
Shinx/Ralts
snow glade
No!
gloomy inlet
😏
snow glade
👿
lapis linden
I mean like what's behind the design
I don’t think we can truly answer that until we see quagsire
snow glade
Wooper third evo??? 
lapis linden
Oh that’d be epic
echo dawn
snow glade
We forgor 💀
cloud mango
Just saw the new legendaries in bike form so... Basically
https://youtu.be/nk2wViKSh_M
snow glade
I hope they arent gonna kill wooper for its evo
snow glade
Oh its just a platypus
white jungle
Maybe they'll go more axolotl than Salamander and have it with its own regional evolution
They could even go poison dart frog, which isn't out of the question given Wooper is tadpole-esque (mostly just the general shape) but idk
There have to be tons of poisonous amphibians to go with
gloomy inlet
Axosire
white jungle
Overall Koraidon and Miraidon aren't bad designs but their flight is one thing seriously bugging me
First of all, Miraidon has jets, it didn't even need the wing ears
Secondly the wing ears are just fucking stupid
Too small, too far forward
It feels like they were very obviously trying to avoid making them basic dragons with wings
But they could have just had the retractable/disappearing wings on the side and it would be so much better
late tendon
First of all, Miraidon has jets, it didn't even need the wing ears
First of all, airplanes have jets, they didn't even need the wings 
I don't see anything bad in ear wings because pokemon don't have to look realistic, that's the neat part about stuff that don't exist 
late tendon
snow glade
Or surfing on a rhydon
snow glade
I love riding (male humanoid pokemon)
late tendon
late tendon
Sure
snow glade
Gargantuan open spaces
late tendon
snow glade
Let me finish damn
snow glade
Two giant hills to ride around
late tendon
snow glade
The guy calling his ponyta ravishing
Will be very happy when he rides it
I will finally ride on my super cool.. machamp!
His giant muscles will carry anyone across the region
Do not take this out of context
white jungle
I don't see anything bad in ear wings because pokemon don't have to look realist...
Yeah but generally the goal of box legendaries isn't to look intentionally goofy as fuck
And ear wings are an INFINITELY poor design choice for lizard based Pokémon when flying lizards actively exist
It would have worked especially well with Koraidon to give it retractable skin to glide on
And Miraidon could have been anything because it's like a cyborg
supple fern
Was my Poison Platypus dream a premonition of Pooper?
patent rivet
no
wide iris
I remember that fake gen 8 leak with the poison platypus starter
That ended up becoming a temtem
patent rivet
It was water type
fierce shell
And ear wings are an INFINITELY poor design choice for lizard based Pokémon when...
Extendable head crests are funny
And I'm glad they used an already existing feature, designs are busy enough
meager oasis
I saw the new trailer thing
Looks really cool but I don’t like the terra type thing
the giant hat things just look kind of bad
patent rivet
Looks really cool but I don’t like the terra type thing
Terra?
patent rivet
You mean the crystal thing
meager oasis
yea
patent rivet
The hats look dumb
meager oasis
indeed
i like the changing type thing though its cool
opens a lot of possibilities
patent rivet
But it will be exclusive to certain Pokémon again
snow glade
imagine if it just gave non favored pokemon a random type lol
clear charm
New gen 9 pokemon leked!!1!
white jungle
The crystallisation isn't even a bad idea but it could have been executed in a much cooler way.
meager oasis
The crystallisation isn't even a bad idea but it could have been executed in a m...
true
white jungle
Like we could have finally gotten the crystal onix line
Fairy/ground and fairy/steel
It could have been like a crystal armour thing y'know?
I can kinda understand the appeal of wanting to make a gimmick that works for every Pokémon
But the result feels lazy because you just slap the same hats on everything
And the same sound, they really didn't cover up the fact that the same sound plays every time
Which is fine, most gimmicks don't have varied sounds don't get me wrong
But maybe the best thing isn't to play that noise back to back to back
Like bad wind chimes
If you don't know what I mean listen to the trailer again I promise you'll hear it
meager oasis
i just wish it didnt have the dumb hats
charred pasture
I dont know I like the hats
patent rivet
At least Jigglypuff will look even more like Kirby since they’ll get an ability hat
I’m now wishing they never invented mega evolution just so they never started this stupid gimmick per game thing
white jungle
I don't know what they expected. I'm not the biggest Z move fan, but at least it felt evident that it wasn't competing with megas
With dynamax and terastalising, we have no other choice but to compare it to megas because we don't have the option of them
And in contrast they're such a let down
Had they been gimmicks to go alongside megas, they would feel more justified
But as it stands we need to acknowledge that the gimmick system as it stands now only serves to pretend they didn't reset a MAJOR chunk of battling
Coming down from the absolute peak that was Sun and Moon with megas and Z moves combined, standalone gimmicks like what we've been getting are just consolation prizes
fierce shell
Pokémon is focusing a lot more on how these gimmicks are represented in the competing scene now, and megas basically became their own versions of restricted mons
With crystallization and dynamax you aren't locked to just transforming one Pokémon, or having a special gigantamax/inevitable super crystal bs mon
Also cetitan is way smaller than it should be
Shame they still aren't doing sizes right
white jungle
What they fail to take into account is the competing scene is kinda fucking lame.
If they really wanted to focus on giving every Pokémon a chance, they'd do just that and actually overhaul a lot of em
They aren't gonna make things better by giving you the ability to whip out your Big Pokémon or your Steven Universe Pokémon at any point
Honestly dynamax is just irritating to me because it's either the tamest most boring possible thing you can do or it just tanks hits like a version of protect that bites back
fierce shell
They do that with movesets and abilities mostly, as they are apprehensive of changing stats. This actually creates a bunch of different meta games, and it's nice that these less powerful Pokémon have their own space to duke it out
Not every Pokémon needs to be viable, tho a large portion of them are
Foofoofootoo actually has really good vids on buffs various overlooked Pokémon have gotten in recent games
fierce shell
They aren't gonna make things better by giving you the ability to whip out your ...
Dynamaxing does a lot of fun stuff for Pokémon, like letting you avoid running boosting moves, expanding move pools, making splash a necessity on Magikarp
white jungle
I mean whatever floats your boat. But in my eyes, shit like this is always just gonna feel lazy and kinda unimpactful. I can forgive megas being broken in many cases because they were cool as fuck. They got me excited, and I know a lot of other people feel the same.
I'm not gonna look back in five years and go "man I miss when Pokémon went big sometimes"
But I'll always miss megas, because them not being included is like having a bunch of standalone Pokémon missing
Because that's exactly what they were, brand new forms to enjoy.
Dynamax tried something like that with Gigantamax I guess
But most of em aren't worth it anyway.
wide iris
Bro I went to work and came back
wide iris
Yeah because you have to get behind it to see its face
white jungle
And on the topic of cool designs!
Once again, love Cetitan
Just wish its mouth was more open
Because it HAS the whale filter bristles going on
But its mouth completely seals up
I think I'd have preferred to have the bristles/teeth exposed
I am also kinda worried that I just won't use terastalising outside of comp because of the whole recharge system
It sounds like every time you activate it you lose ALL the charge?
And then there's recharge spots in the wild or pokecenters
Which sounds like one of those situations where I'll constantly be like "nah I don't wanna use it yet, I'll save it for a harder battle" because I don't wanna run back and forth for charges
wide iris
Oh that would be cringe
white jungle
I can't really think of a good comparison within Pokémon other than maybe like
Y'know when you avoid using low pp strong moves so that you don't have to run back to the pokecenter to recharge your good moves because you forgot elixirs?
Thats how I could see it going
wide iris
Or you don't want to use elixirs because you get like 4
white jungle
Exactly
flint sequoia
I've lost several pokemon in the e4 because I forgot/couldn't get Elixirs or Ethers and they got stalled out of good moves
white jungle
It's not gonna happen but I'm just saying it'd be hype if instead of a third legendary they brought the DNA splicers back in time for gen 5 remakes and let us get the ultimate bicycle
wide iris
Biopunk bike
meager oasis
A new ground/poison type is awesome
Does anybody know what type the whale is though?
I think it’s ice/dragon
I think the puppy is normal/fairy type or just normal
Another new normal/fairy type is cool too
Since the only ones are igglybuff line and azurill and mega audino
wide iris
it's just ice
(rains from above)
and the dog is just fairy
the types are on the pokemon website
meager oasis
Oh
wide iris
yeah
meager oasis
Before this trailer I liked the violet legendary more
But now I like scarlet legendary more
it’s ride form is super cute
wide iris
you're the first I've heard say that lol
everyone's on about how it doesn't use the wheels
white jungle
They could have sold me ice/dragon or ice/ground Cetitan as this game's pseudo legendary and I'd have been happy
meager oasis
Yea
white jungle
As it stands I wish it had a dual type but still a super cool Pokémon, just gotta cross our fingers it's fast enough to make use of slush rush
meager oasis
Kinda disappointed that it’s just pure ice because there’s a lot of ice types that don’t have secondary types
wide iris
you're tellin me
whenever they make a new mon and it's a single type I'm always like
why
white jungle
How would it though
Honestly it should just be like a wheel. There were sharks that had what were essentially buzzsaw blades in their bottom jaw in the past
It's Pokémon, if they wanted it to have wheels they should have gone all the way
I stil prefer Koraidon but it does look kinda goofy
Plus is it just me or did something feel off about them being on all fours whenever the player wasn't riding them?
It's like their body actually changes when they're on all fours
Because they look really different from when they're standing
I think maybe it's the back?
meager oasis
I thought it was a new form
wide iris
yeah there's riding forms and then I guess battle form
white jungle
It might be? But if that's the case, like... Kinda dumb, right?
"here's some mild physical changes!! So you can walk on all fours!!"
Why not just... Have em able to get down on all fours from a standing position
You don't have to reform their skeletal structure surely
white jungle
I definitely like their designs, just wish they'd made the rideable aspect feel more natural
Or less natural maybe
More bike like.
I miss Reshiram and Zekrom...
When will I be able to ride them
wide iris
you just want to ride on massive jet engines
white jungle
Absolutely I do
wide iris
a noble dream to be sure
white jungle
Look at Miraidons balls, those things can hardly keep it in the air
meager oasis
Something that does bother me though is that
meager oasis
the scarlet and violet legendaries don’t seem to feel like super mystical creatures like the other legendaries do
wide iris
wait hold on, so if they're gonna be just vehicles for most of the game and won't battle until way later
that means My Koraidon Does Not Attack
meager oasis
because you just ride them around in the trailer like they just some normal pokemon
white jungle
the scarlet and violet legendaries don’t seem to feel like super mystical creatu...
Honestly? They might not be. Gotta keep in mind these games are kind of a complete change to what we're used to
meager oasis
True
white jungle
Our Super Strong Legendaries may come later, or as an upgrade
wide iris
yeah maybe they're just tired of all the mythos
white jungle
These guys could be low tier like the birds
wide iris
doubt it
white jungle
I still think there's a good chance they're school mascots, I think that would be funny
wide iris
wouldn't make any sense to put them on the box if the actual box legends were something else
though the leaks say ||there is a quartet of other legendaries||
white jungle
I don't think the actual box legends are something else, I think we might just get weaker box legendaries
As I said we might see them upgraded at some point
To like
Normal box legend status, or beyond
white jungle
But they're also incredibly small compared to every box legendary
Like these guys are obviously doing their own thing
Plus, as you said
They might make it so they're vehicle locked instead of useable from when you obtain them (I have a hunch you get them early but not immediately, maybe long enough to build a decent team)
meager oasis
School mascots would make sense
white jungle
In fact that probably is the case because they just won't want you to have a legendary early on
But frankly? That's dumb that sucks
I don't like that shit
"here's a legendary but it doesn't respect you enough or whatever so like you can ride it but it's not gonna like... Save you from going unconscious."
That would be dumb
And it's probably gonna be like that
But it's not less dumb.
wide iris
I'd guess something more akin to zygarde
meager oasis
It’s like the mounts in legends ig
white jungle
WHAT IF THE TREASURE HUNT IS JUST COLLECTING BIKE PARTS
wide iris
"These fellas aren't in fighting shape you have to collect the squeebles to get their power"
white jungle
Armoured Koraidon and Premium Miraidon
meager oasis
The scarlet legendary is so cute on all fours I love it
wide iris
white jungle
One requires a brutal journey through treacherous terrain, fighting tooth and claw for the metal to mould into Koraidon's battle armour
The other requires a £4.99 subscription
meager oasis
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/377770700473106432/1004546726285279373/...
Melm
wide iris
Zamn
white jungle
Not sure how I feel about pulling the hair of a humanoid Pokémon to get it to Go
Doesn't sit right with me
What if it likes it?
What if it doesn't like it?
Both are fucked up
wide iris
I think those shoulder spikes are the bit you hold
wide iris
The eyebrows turn into wings
white jungle
God...
See, yeah that's definitely what's bugging me
There's so much unnecessary magic transformation going on
wide iris
You wanna fly or not
white jungle
When realistically a good design could fit it all in one
white jungle
You wanna fly or not
Once again, skin flaps
That's literally a whole species of lizard
It was right there
wide iris
You need the transformations so you can lock the wings until you get the wing mcmuffin
white jungle
Also I'm PISSED because he runs on water wrong
He swims like a dog instead of standing on two legs and running across like those basilisk lizards
I wanna see my trainer hold on for dear life as this motherfucker gets up and sprints
opal gull
apparently the entire point of wheel bits is floation devices
white jungle
Lame
The one design element that isn't a needless magic transformation and it's not even used properly
Outside of the ride gimmick Koraidon is still a super good looking Pokémon though
opal gull
the fact it runs as oppose to using em as wheels at all is eough to make me falter on which game to get
it aint pleasant ot watch
oh no (see top left)
meager oasis
No.
gloomy inlet
meager oasis
Nonononono
gloomy inlet
"it's me Roto!" - Rotomdex
meager oasis
That pokedex looks so weird
gloomy inlet
KONO ROTOMU POKEDEKUSU FOROME DA!
.
opal gull
That pokedex looks so weird
white jungle
So no head?
Smashes Rotom Dex on ground
Jumps on Miraidon, snapping it in two
meager oasis
https://twitter.com/i/status/1554836253673082884
big head
opal gull
the guy has lots of sprigatito green espeon memes
meager oasis
Yea I’ve seen them all
patent rivet
Can't wait for red bike to be OP and for purple bike to be worthless
flint sequoia
the fact it runs as oppose to using em as wheels at all is eough to make me falt...
I'm getting Violet no matter what because of this
Unless the version exclusives finally get removed, but they won't are very one sided
meager oasis
im going with scarlet because violet has ugly professor
flint sequoia
You're going to see the driving/running animation more than the professor in a playthrough
opal gull
Unless the version exclusives ~~finally get removed, but they won't~~ are very o...
I mean theres at least multiplayer now where you can go to catch the others
flint sequoia
That requires online though 
meager oasis
You're going to see the driving/running animation more than the professor in a p...
i know but im fine with both legendaries
i actually like scarlet legendary running since its cute
patent rivet
im going with scarlet because violet has ugly professor
How dare you disrespect the chad
wanton idol
them!!
patent rivet
Man
sterile garnet
Why is the belly different
wanton idol
Why is the belly different
it didnt match the artwork enough lol
sterile garnet
Ah i see, nice work katten
wanton idol
gloomy inlet
cute oweo baby upa
fickle birch
I decided to do an alternate palette for Fidough based on beignets, with the red nose being like the cherry in a cherry bakewell. 🙂
forest egret
That's pretty cool, I'd be happy if the shiny was something like that
late tendon
that pokedex looks sooo cool
clear crest
that pokedex looks sooo cool
pawmi psuedo-confirmed to have evos? :o
fierce shell
Yeah the pokedex got drip
It would be awesome if you could do custom images too
That houndour one isn't great
late tendon
I find it funny and like why not
surreal shell
first cetitan sprite ever
cetitan currently the best one
icy forge
that pokedex looks sooo cool
Seems like naturalist magazine cover
fierce shell
Dang bro riddler couldn't even wait a month to come back
smoky bison
I really dislike the pokedex
nocturne cloak
I think it's novel
smoky bison
Of course it is novel, this hasn't been done before 
Really not convinced that it's good though. I prefer a more digital interface. The magazine-look is off putting to me
late tendon
zero is a boomer confirmed
I'm a splatoon fan so I'm leaning on magazines, logos and such aesthetics 
lament glen
Yo imagine a pokemon game in a cyberpunk asthetic tho
thin wolf
from what i understand the terastillize thing might make shedinja somewhat usable and I think that's funny
lament glen
Pretty sure mons that can abuse the mechanic (like shedinja) as well as mons that you cannot slap a crown thingy on without breaking their animations (like hitmontop) will just be cut
opal gull
lament glen
Is that a response or just a unrelated post?
opal gull
unrelated
charred pasture
It does make me wonder how many pokemon centers there will be
And how that's gonna work in pvp
late tendon
I still wonder how double type mons will change their typings
will it act like soak or change one of their types?
charred pasture
I believe riddler khu said it acts like soak
late tendon
makes sence so they don't add too many clarifications to the rule
charred pasture
And that if a dual type pokemon has a Tera type that is shared by one of its types, it drops the other type
So if it were poison/grass with a poison Tera type, it would become pure poison
late tendon
and adds extra boost to poison attacks
lament glen
This reminds me of something else that I really think pokemon should change:
Poke Centers, PP and healing in general sucks. Because you are constantly doing resource management in order to avoid backtracking to the Center, you are just holding back in 99% of all fights in the game and try to stay healthy. If a trainer or wild mon is strong, its not a cool fight but a chore because that means you have to go back and heal up again.
I think pokemon games would be a million times more fun if every trainer and most wild mons are an actual challange that can knock out the majority of your team, but in exchange you get healed up automatically after every fight. That way, pokemon games would change from being 90% sneaking around trying not to take damage and fighting trainers that are designed to not actually be any challenge into being actually challenging fights with strong opponents. Xenoblade does it and this gameplay loop is waaay more fun and respectful of the players time and what they are here for imo
late tendon
I believe the website said that if pokemon's regular and tera types match, the boost will be even stronger
charred pasture
So if it were poison/grass with a poison Tera type, it would become pure poison
And make poison type moves have the multiplier of a super effective move
vestal aurora
Normal type noivern with stab boomburst
charred pasture
And make poison type moves have the multiplier of a super effective move
No matter if it's super effective or not
late tendon
I disliked dynamax at first and idk if tera will be as broken as it sounds but I wanna see it in action
cuz I ended up really liking dynamax in doubles
and some of my fav competitive youtubers too
charred pasture
I dont think it will be that broken mostly because it makes you a different type
And makes the pokemon a single type
Rather than 2
late tendon
the main issue is that it can create too offensive mons
that, like, can 1hko you with a normally not very effective move
charred pasture
Yea
late tendon
imagine tera ghost caly-shadow with choise specs
ik that normal type is still immune to ghost but that's just an example
if calyrex will be in the game, will it wear crown on top of a crown?
charred pasture
It might help some pokemon who have bad typings actually usable
late tendon
yep, but it also will make strong pokemon even stronger