event-general

[slow gyro]

But that’s part of the fun

You’re supposed to find what areas you’re strong at and go further beyond on them, so far you can become a winner

[fading lodge]

Specific texturing and use of SFX, often far more than typically is needed for the sprite. Again, I feel like the big dissonance is we the contest is highlighting the same spriting techniques over and over. If they are required, then make the techniques mandatory in all sprites. If they aren't, then why are we only celebrating those techniques.

[slow gyro]

Community voted contests are the place to experiment, be extra and achieve wonders

[rough frost]

what sort of texturing, specifically?

[mighty stump]

I just felt the need to mention that this sprite got third in a contest and isn't a big flashy sprite of popular pokemon by any means.

[slow gyro]

Omg I love that thing

[mighty stump]

Yeah I do too

[fading lodge]

Look, i'mma be real, explaining the technique in detail beyond that it's texturing is not my strong suit, and you are trying to nitpick my argument to miniscule details. I'm tired, I've been discussing this for a while, and I don't want to fight.

[fading lodge]

You failed to mention that was a judged contest, where it probably wouldn't have won had it been community. But I digress.

[slow gyro]

Honestly, I like community voted contest way more than judged ones

You have way more creative liberty to break the mold on community voted contest

[mighty stump]

I love the fun little guys in community contests, I vote for them at least

[fading lodge]

I'm tired of trying to argue for a system that is strongly desired by others. Look, I get it, it's good to showcase talent. I want that. But if the same techniques and same people keep being featured, are we really encouraging others to develop, or are we just saying "sprite like this or you won't get better"?

[mighty stump]

If the community happens to all have a taste for a certain type of sprite that isn't anyone's fault that's just how a communtiy vote is, and I don’t think it means your sprites aren't worth anything.

[slow gyro]

Naka im sorry I just don’t know how someone would bribe the entire server

[mighty stump]

I feel like the only solution to this is a more wide variety of contests that can show off different types of sprites and their strengths. I'd have no idea how to go about that though.

[fading lodge]

"the community" is a small handful of people. We are a server of over 500,000, and we can't break 300 votes? Not even, since not every person voted in every bracket. And you're telling me that for a year of spriting, again with over 500,000 members, we see the same 6 people topping the 15 contests I documented and could find?

[mighty stump]

Not everyone has event announcements or cares to vote on the polls, you can't force every member on this server to drop what they're doing and care about a random sprite poll.

(not trying to be mean or anything)

[fading lodge]

I'm just saying, contests seem to only show off the same handful of people.

[slow gyro]

In community voted contest people just vote for things that look cool

When I first entered the server there was a Gardevoir Meta

Then a Kaiju meta

And then a Sfx ||My fault|| meta

[mighty stump]

Yeah, metas are unfortunate, but you can't force people to not like whatever thing they like.

[fading lodge]

I think you are kinda missing my point. Are we really having metas, or are we just showcasing the same handful of spriters?

[mighty stump]

If you don't fall into the meta that does not mean your sprite is bad, or that no one liked it. There are people who probably prefer the sprites not in the "meta" it's just not the majority.

[slow gyro]

Probably both

But there ain’t much to do aside from practicing and improving

[mighty stump]

No one is getting the win just because they've won before or are whoever in the server.

[slow gyro]

Specially cause most of the people with the contest winner roles, like me, are always willing to help everyone else improve

No one’s trying to gate keep, we want to help everyone improve

[mighty stump]

What's funny about this is someone who has never won is trying to explain to someone who has won something that the contests aren't rigged sjsnshsnajsmsj

[fading lodge]

45 total votes were cast in the contest I won. And I tied with someone who made an animated sprite. By luck.

[mighty stump]

Animated? How long ago was this contest?

[fading lodge]

Years.

[mighty stump]

Makes sense, animation has been not allowed for a while.

[slow gyro]

Im still waiting for the return of animation

Ive never been more ready

[fading lodge]

This sprite might be the reason animations got removed from the game.

[slow gyro]

As far as I know, the total amount of mons made the game too heavy to be able to run gifs or smt like that idk im not a computer engineer

[mighty stump]

I still think the only possible solution to this is a wider variety of contests with different things they're looking for. I again would not know how to implement that, and I would suck as a judge of any kind, I'd be too distraught trying to objectively say any sprite is better than another one.

[slow gyro]

Yea but that won’t work for community contests

[fading lodge]

This is the sprite sheet for that gif.

[slow gyro]

People won’t even read the instructions, just go “Shapes and colors”

https://tenor.com/view/shapes-and-colors-the-lights-of-which-ive-never-seen-bojack-will-arnett-bojack-horseman-kaleidoscope-gif-16133503

[slow gyro]

Rad

[mighty stump]

Yeaaaaaah...

[slow gyro]

Ngl that’s actually awesome

[mighty stump]

Is there somewhere I can see all the animated sprites before they got taken out? These are really cool

[slow gyro]

Im pretty sure there were like 7

[mighty stump]

Oh XD

[mighty stump]

N'awwww little guy fell over :(

[hollow grove]

Wasnt the one hoenn starter triple fusion also a monster with like 4349483782 frames lmao

I might be misremembering

[slow gyro]

What

I want to see that

[fading lodge]

Search "in:sprite-gallery Animated"

[rigid abyss]

oh gods

#sprite-gallery message

[tulip tusk]

what is going on in chat

[slow gyro]

OMG THEYRE ALL SO RAD I WISH THE GAME WAS COMPATIBLE I WANT TO MAKE ANIMATED SPRITES SO BADLY

[rigid abyss]

#sprite-gallery message i rlly like this one

[hollow grove]

Yup thats the one! I like how the arm vfx changes between the elements

[slow gyro]

THEY HAVE SO MUCH CHARACTER OMG

[tulip tusk]

im glad that there arent animated sprites because animation is hard and whole other skill than just spriting and this server would be twice as big /lhj

[rigid abyss]

#sprite-gallery message this one is cute

OMG #sprite-gallery message

[slow gyro]

WHY WAS I BORN TOO LATE TO ANIMATE SPRTES FOR THE GAME

[rigid abyss]

yea me animating? no no. others animations? omg they are aesome af

[hollow grove]

At that point we would just learn blockbench and work for cobblemon 👀👄👀

[dense jackal]

From the discussions since this message it feels like your issue is mainly with community voted contests, as the judges ones have guidelines and are supposed to reward the gen 5 style.
So I guess the point in raising is- isn't the current community poll like the first (or one of very few) this year? If you're happier with the outcome of judged polls, then aren't all these numbers from the system you think is more fair?

[slow gyro]

I want to disturb frog about it but at the same time idk if it’s worth cause idk if there’s even a possibility of having animation back in the game

[fading lodge]

no, definitely not coming back.

[slow gyro]

Just imagine what monster of an animation I can do for Giratina/Jirachi

[tulip tusk]

wait this is about the voting about public votes

[sly shuttle]

Do it anyway

[slow gyro]

Just imagine me animating the entirety of the Alola region on the back of my Exeggutor/Torterra

[hollow grove]

Wait so u cant even like, add animated sprites for personal use anymore? Like theyre just not supported at all?

[slow gyro]

No
There’s no purpose

[slow gyro]

Not as far as I know

[tulip tusk]

isnt it well known that public votes are just kinda about spectacle because anyone can vote and people tend to vote for large/funny/cool sprites

[slow gyro]

Idk to be sure

[rigid abyss]

do it. with the neck swinging side to side and clouds moving and wingulls flying ariund and waves moving

[slow gyro]

It would be so awesome

It would be so cool

[rigid abyss]

and like it stomps and the islands shake a bit

[slow gyro]

Im so close to pinging frog about it

[rigid abyss]

tail needs to swing too

[slow gyro]

@vast jay my friend sorry to bother you but we’re having some doubts about animated sprites
The game can’t run GIFs at all, right? Is there a reason for that that we could work to find a solution to? I just think they’re awesome and would be so cool and fun to do

[hollow grove]

I wanna put a gif of a egg

Pls

[fading lodge]

Look, let me say this. I personally am kinda neutral on contests, but I've been hearing out a lot of the people who are frustrated with contests. And I get them. I'd love to win a contest (with my current skill level). But as I dug a bit deeper into this, I feel like I was correct: Only a handful of people are actually making the podium, and the specific techniques they use are what are winning; basically, the same handful of art styles are what's winning.

Personally, I'd love, with a server this large and with as many people as we have, if we actually showcased more artists than that handful. Unless the contests are to prove that the way those handful of artists sprite is the correct way. Then we're doing a great job.

If the contest is to encourage creativity and growth, are we accomplishing that by only featuring that handful of spriters?

If we really are trying to encourage others, why do most contests seem like the feedback isn't there? Personally, I don't enter many contests because I know I won't win and know I won't be told about what I did well and how I can improve. But that's just my view.

TLDR; we are showcasing only a handful of spriters. The numbers don't lie.

[tulip tusk]

please do not put animated sprites into the game frog this server would combust

[vast jay]

It cannot and it's not something I would want to implement. The main reason is that animated sprites would feel out of place unless every sprite was animated, which is obviously not possible.

[slow gyro]

Fair enough

[tulip tusk]

you do know there's a contest meta, right

like random whitename players don't care who is the spriter, they care about how the sprite looks and they tend to like well shaded, large sprites?

[fading lodge]

The 2025 "contest meta" is 13 spriters.

[dense jackal]

Let's not pretend that 90% of contests aren't judged
(Having re-read this the phrasing is confusing and what I'm actually saying is most contests are judged)

[tulip tusk]

like isn't this known???? that people vote for sprites that are detailed, large, and have high contrast?

at least for public votes?????

[mighty stump]

Question is there any way to mod PIF?

[fading lodge]

That voids the warrenty.

[rigid abyss]

Er isn’t there a rule on that?

[mighty stump]

Oh is there?

[rigid abyss]

I don’t remember

[tulip tusk]

you can't discuss modding here since it causes confusion from base game

actually i dont know why am i answering

[vast jay]

And honestly, a lot of players would probably consider animated sprites to be superior and dimiss anything that isn't animated. Which would kinda suck for artists who worked hard on the sprites.

[tired jay]

Yeah against sharing, and one that says you lose your tech support/gameplay help

[mighty stump]

Oh okay, didn't know

[hollow grove]

They do it in a basement half a kilometer under Apple global headquarters

[slow gyro]

Actually white names like over shaded sprites with tons of sfx and black shadows on the darkest parts cause they think more shades=good

[fading lodge]

Maybe I'm crazy for thinking that showcasing only 13 people is a big deal.

[hollow grove]

When u say showcasing are u accounting for spotlights

In the numbers

[dense jackal]

I think a contest of true gen 5 style would be good. "If you can't imagine it in a game freak game it loses points" kinda deal

[hushed stream]

naka, you keep talking about "showcasing" like people are intentionally choosing those specific spriters. but in a community vote, the majority of the people voting don't even know who sprited each sprite

[fading lodge]

This is just the podiums for contests I could find for the past year.

[hushed stream]

do you want people who won in the past to not be able to win again?

[slow gyro]

Yea I kinda get it
I’d be cool to at least have the option to add them to the game, maybe not in the regular sprite packs but as in an extra sprite pack you’ll have to go out of your way to download or smt idk

[hollow grove]

Spotlights are kind of a big deal too if we are talking about showcasing particularly and not winning, but i get ur point!

[fading lodge]

Where do I find the spotlights? Because my research didn't find any.

[mighty stump]

Does that mean you need to purposefully add errors like a few missing pixels in the outline and staircasing to be truly authentic?

[hushed stream]

i think it's cool to suggest a new way of voting, but I don't think changing the voting method will likely change the results of who wins a community voted sprite contest. the community will vote for whoever it likes best, and there's not really a fair way of making them vote for less popular styles

[sly shuttle]

-# Reply directed to Naka
Spotlights don’t show up in the contest gallery
Only the announcement channel

[tulip tusk]

im confused, of course similar people would win if those people are using the same skill as before?

[mighty stump]

I think Naka just wants other types of sprites and skills showcased which to me seems only achievable by a different contest alltogether

[hollow grove]

They still get showcased and picked with love for the main announcement tho, and thats worth a lot right? I dont think adding spotlights to the gallery is a bad idea tbh!

[hushed stream]

I entered the contest with my sprites not expecting to win because I know my sprites didn't follow what the community really likes to see, so I'm fine with not winning. I also know I don't have as much technical skill as many other spriters, so I expect not to win judged contests either. I have my own reasons for entering these contests than winning.

[fading lodge]

At this point, I've kinda convinced myself we shoudl abolish the contests altogether.

[hollow grove]

Could help to shine a light on more people

[dense jackal]

The last 10 (which is July onwards) are 100% judge voted. So can this discussion please decide if it's about community votes, judge votes, or contests in general

[fading lodge]

What the hell do these contests accomplish anyways?

[hushed stream]

this is true of any contests in life. you're probably not going to win. but you enter because it's fun and interesting!

[hollow grove]

Lets not be defeatist tho, we can def brainstorm and find solutions and iterate on systems, thats literally what happened the first time when i was preaching here a few years back!

[tulip tusk]

it's a motivation for people to sprite by tying it into an event

[hushed stream]

if contests make you feel bad, don't enter, it's okay!

[broken robin]

I just want more roles

[tulip tusk]

you don't get like
spriter points for taking the gold or anything, you just get a role and bragging rights and a new sprite for the game

[slow gyro]

Noooooo

They’re fun

[mighty stump]

There's tons of worth to the sprites that won't win contests, they don’t need to be contest winners.

[tulip tusk]

my only contest win was from a joke sprite

[fading lodge]

We can do that without needing to cause "winners and losers", though. Look at the success of rushes.

[slow gyro]

More Sprites than usual for that month, most of the time with a higher quality level cause people put more effort on those

[hushed stream]

I think just because you don't see the fun or value in something doesn't mean it doesn't have fun and value for others.

[tulip tusk]

then join rushes and don't join contests

i dont get the point

[fading lodge]

The more we discuss it, I'm losing what value it truly holds.

[slow gyro]

But winners get a cool role and get to be the server pfp

[hushed stream]

rushes and contests have different draws for different people. people can participate in one and not the other

[mighty stump]

Yeah

[fading lodge]

Why did I bother being the voice for people who don't like this system.

[hushed stream]

I find it to be fun and rewarding personally. that's the value I find in it. it's okay if you don't find that value in it, but I and many other people do.

[dense jackal]

When I enter I'm aiming to get 3's/4's consistently. Because if I get 5’s or a large mix of 4's and 1's it pretty much means I've broken the official style and I like to consider my spites as gamefreak-esque most of the time .
Consistency rather than flashy is the affirmation I get from not winning contests

[mighty stump]

Hey I'm willing to hear you out, but what you want seems to be incompatible with communtiy votes

[hollow grove]

You might just need to focus on something else for a bit to help not be so down in the dumps about it, but like please know that ur voice matters and that theres so much value in having level headed discussions about that sort of thing here

[fading lodge]

We keep saying "it's okay if you don't see the value, i do", but none of the value we've discussed couldn't be achieved by the other things we have.

[slow gyro]

Naka im sorry i just really like contest, they’re fun
I can’t actually see what the issue is
You know I’ve always been trying to help you improve and I know you too can win a contest nowadays, but I need you to believe you can

[tulip tusk]

You can criticize the events but your argument seems to be personal rather than actually discussing them

[fading lodge]

Contests don't actually accomplish anything. I don't have an issue with events, but... really, what benefits do a contest have over a rush or other spriting event?

[hushed stream]

I think having some third type of contest that's like a mix between judged and community could be fun, that focuses more on comments from the community about things they liked rather than pure numbers. but pure numbers are fun to me as well!

[mighty stump]

Contests are just a fun excuse for people to make sprites

[fading lodge]

which can be accomplished every other way.

[tulip tusk]

feedback and bragging rights, idk man

i get upset when my sprites dont get feedback in contests

[slow gyro]

And that’s why we have many different events

[fading lodge]

which mostly go to the same handful of people.

[slow gyro]

Contests are just the classic competition

[dense jackal]

A rush can incentivise quick spiriting. A contest encourages quality

[hollow grove]

Contests are just rlly fun! Also good for the community and the culture

[hushed stream]

rushes are also a fun excuse to make sprites, but I'd get tired with rushes all the time. I get tired of other kinds of events. I'd get tired of contests too if they were the only thing. it's fun to have a variety of reasons to make sprites, and a variety of focuses (rushes are purely quantity, contests are more on quality, and quality of different kinds between community and judged)

[mighty stump]

Sure but some people like the competitive nature of contests, just because some people don't like them doesn't mean they should be trashed

[slow gyro]

Well that’s cause those people usually know what the audience wants

[stable dirge]

I disagree about the idea of contests not actually accomplishing anything. Maybe they're just not for those who don't find joy in the competition regardless of whether they get the W or not. But whether a contest accomplishes anything I don't even think any one person can just decide that. But what else motivates ppl to give a sprite their best effort like a Contest?

[hushed stream]

it's good to have a big variety of events, and that way people can choose to participate in ones they want to and avoid ones they don't

[fading lodge]

We can have "rushes" without the rush. We don't need rushes to be "do this within a short two week window".

[mighty stump]

We actually have a form to suggest types of events, so if you want to see a new type of event that you can enjoy I'd encourage filling it out

[dense jackal]

Isn't that just a team?

[hushed stream]

that's covered by stuff like ongoing events and teams!

[mighty stump]

Also a rush where there isn't a time window is contradictory and defeats the purpose?

[mighty stump]

Yeah there are tons of teams if you just want a little community where you all have a goal to work towards!

[tulip tusk]

im confused isnt it expected that similar people would win based on skill like isnt this what everyone joining contests expects? what??????

[hushed stream]

I should do a team barboach only contest

then I can spotlight everyone on the team :3

[fading lodge]

Do you enter contests expecting that the same 6 people will win?

[dense jackal]

I don't think that's a productive way to engage with the discussion. The tone is unfair to naka

[hushed stream]

I don't think I've ever seen contest results that I flat out disagree with

[dense jackal]

The idea of teams running contests internally is interesting tbh

[mighty stump]

The suggestion form for events is in the pins by the way

[hollow grove]

Not me i disagree w them all

I should have won

[hushed stream]

I'm running all sorts of things in team barboach beyond your wildest dreams

[tulip tusk]

yea, if somebody won because of technical skill i wouldnt be surprised if they won again because of that same skill

[stable dirge]

Are you like... feeling like it's unfair that the same people in the same skill level (the top) keep winning and it's keeping those of a lesser skill level from seeing recognition?

Asking sincerely

[tulip tusk]

sorry

[mighty stump]

Augh, I really want to do fun stuff for team spheal but I need like ten million times more energy and time

[fading lodge]

If the purpose of the contests is to showcase different techniques and skills, we've clearly failed. If the goal is to encourage a consistent spriting style, have the winners of those contests put on workshops or make a guide on their techniques so we can teach them. If the purpose is to make a compitition so we can crown winners, do we need to hold it when those 6-13 individuals will receive the crown again?

If the purpose is to improve the quality of the sprites made, then encourage the growth and showcase those who grew. Or, as mentioned a second ago, just have workshops and say "You're supposed to sprite this way".

Frankly, the more we discuss it, the more people try and tell me that contests are good, the more disillusioned I've become with contests. TBH, if they had a purpose, I think we've lost what they were trying to accomplish.

[mighty stump]

The only purpose they had I think was just a fun and competitive excuse to sprite for those who enjoy that.

The idea of a glow up contest where you go back and show how much you've improved from an old sprite would be interesting and might go along with what you'd like.

Sorry, we're making you feel misunderstood, I promise we're trying to see things from your view.

[rigid abyss]

while i personally dont believe contests should jusy be downright destroyed, i second the workshop idea. i watched the wing seminar recently and was really interested and learned a decent bit about bird wings and such

[hushed stream]

I see contests as having multiple benefits, including the ones you listed, but only one goal, which is for people to have fun for those who enjoy contests. I think it's good to celebrate sprites that require a lot of skill and time, and it's also good not to require all sprites be made that way because then sprites would take way longer to make and the project would never be finished because people would get exhausted trying to sprite showstoppers and perfect pieces. It's nice for me to see sprites of a quality that I can aspire to, but not hold myself to those standards for regular sprites. I think it's unfair to require winners to hold workshops, since those are a lot of work, and some people aren't great at explaining things. Some spriters have already explained their process and style and added it to spriting resources, which is very generous of them.

i think it would be cool to encourage more people to explain their process but i also think it's okay if they don't want to do that

[mighty stump]

We don't have workshops but people do put resources and guides in #spriting-resources

[tulip tusk]

i feel like they dont have a purpose other than just having fun and engaging in the community in a unique way that people are excited for

on a technical level, there's feedback columns that explain why somebody was voted as such so somebody knows where to improve

[stable dirge]

Honestly, I don't think there was all that much thought put into the contests. If you ask me, engaging in contests with others is like one of the more basic carnal human instinct type things we just find ourselves wanting to do. I would not be surprised if the genesis of PIF contests had little more thought than "group big, let's see who can do thing best out of group!"

[slow gyro]

What is a workshop, exactly?

I remember being asked by Pory to do a dynamic pose seminar many months ago, but a lot happened in the server since and I never got the chance

[fading lodge]

Workshop is basically a seminar

[rigid abyss]

#announcements message wing seminar btw very fun wathc

[slow gyro]

But one of Pory’s ideas was to invite a lot of really skilled spriters to do seminars on their strong suits, so we can help everyone else improve to our level

I’ve always thought that the best way to win, is by making sure everyone else is at least at your level, and that’s why I’ve always been trying to help everyone else improve

[hushed stream]

that would be really cool! That definitely takes a lot of coordination though!

[rigid abyss]

omg yes pls that seems so cool

[hushed stream]

being able to explain a skill clearly enough that someone else can replicate it on their own is a very different skillset from having the skill in the first place

[slow gyro]

That’s probably the direction we should take with contests, maybe the winners could take a moment to give seminars and stuff like that, of course we can’t force anyone to do it, and it’ll be hard cause of time zones

But it’ll help everyone improve at the same rate

[rigid abyss]

artists rlly be teaching others by going "just eh and mess around"

[slow gyro]

That’s also a reason why I usually send my spriting process when it gets recorded, I’ve been told it has helped people understand spriting better

[hushed stream]

fr my roommate is always asking me how to sew and I'm always just like, idk just do it??

[stable dirge]

maybe contest winner can hold a press conference where anyone can come up and ask "how did you do this effect??? I can't wrap my head around it"

[mighty stump]

I have the curse of videos being the worst way for people to explain or teach me things but I'm sure it'll help other people

[rigid abyss]

just dont poke yourself

[tulip tusk]

cant relate, nobody asks me to teach them anything

[mighty stump]

Actually I retract my statement, video is second worst, audio would be the worst to try to teach me through

[hushed stream]

imagine using audio only to try to teach a visual art like spriting 😨

[rigid abyss]

i need like one on one tutors to truly understand shit cuz i ask questions A LOT. but i can learn through other mediums decently enough

[mighty stump]

If you somehow teach your information through a comic though, or just text with a ton of visuals and images, I'm down though

[fading lodge]

idk, I'm being vocal, but really, I know there are a bunch of spriters who legitimately want to win a contest, do their absolute best, only for them to not even podium. I know many spriters want the feedback and "want the win" because we make the contest winners seem cool and important.

idk anymore. I'm so exhausted from all this.

All I know is that the numbers from what I've seen are concerning if we aren't just trying to say specific people's techniques are what we want.

People kept telling me "it's a meta, it's not specific techniques", but I now have the shown data from looking at the past year of contests, and personally i'm not sure what to make of it.

[tulip tusk]

i feel bad because somebody will explain somehing and ill go "cool but i dont get it i need a detailed diagram"

[dense jackal]

Just saw the badge system you're running. That's actually brilliant

[mighty stump]

Yeah the badges are super cool

[slow gyro]

You’re just powering through using the power of Necrozma while everyone else is too scared of it

[slow gyro]

I think we just have different viewpoints
As part of the Mime Jrs, I can assure you we’re always trying to improve things for them to be more fair and fun, so we love feedback and ideas to make things better

I never tried to invalidate your points, I just don’t actually see the issues
But we can work together to find a solution that works for the most amount of people

[tulip tusk]

at this point i think the necrozmas are dragging me down

but its really funny to make them

[hollow grove]

I made a necrozma 1 time and i almost developed an illness

[fading lodge]

I guess I'm just wondering if the Mime Jrs even know that the majority of contests are podiumed by the same 6 people. At least from 2025.

idk what I want anymore... i'm so drained, i feel absolutely terrible...

[hushed stream]

I think the main thing we want in PIF is an ungodly number of fusion sprites done in accordance with the guidelines. You're right that a contest is a little silly for that, because ideally sprites shouldn't stick out from the rest. The challenge becomes, how do you stick out from the crowd in a way people like while following the guidelines? and that is a very different mission than PIF has as a whole. but it's sort of part of the whole contest idea, where there can only be one winner. And the people who keep winning have found a way of doing that. I'd do what they do too if I was capable of it, but I'm not right now. I'll just have to improve at that specific skill if I want to win. but I don't care enough about winning to focus on that, so I'll just be happy participating, and I'm okay with that.

[tulip tusk]

weak, just get 20 illnesses by spriting 20 necrozmas and just survive /j

[rigid abyss]

ive made necrozmas before. only due to theme blitz

but cancel out identity

[tulip tusk]

oh tahts a good blitz theme lol

i did a necrozma for a blitz and it sucked so bad that i still hate looking at it

[rigid abyss]

oh and painful ofc

[tulip tusk]

painful was my own suggestion

[rigid abyss]

evil

[tulip tusk]

and then a completely blundered the sprite i made for it

[rigid abyss]

witch

[hushed stream]

also I'm sorry you feel drained and terrible 🫂 it's hard having a bunch of people arguing against you as one single person. I value your viewpoint and I really think this conversation was worthwhile and interesting :)

[tulip tusk]

oh ok makes worse necrozma sprite ever for own suggested contest, not banned for some reason

[mighty stump]

The most fun thing for me to sprite is silly and cute fellas which tend to be smaller and simpler so they won't win contests but I don't join those to win I just join for the fun of the event, and no event is going to be for everyone.

[fading lodge]

i do want to say, all of this conversation started because I wanted to test a system that tried to blend judged and community, and this is what I ended up with.

[hushed stream]

same!

[tulip tusk]

dont ask me what i was thinking when i made this

[hollow grove]

Forget nec can we actually have that sableye contest that yall ROBBED from me

[rigid abyss]

not looking left smh smh /lh

[slow gyro]

I’m sorry if this was draining to you bestie
Online people tend to jump to conclusions and start arguing back without actually listening, I’m sorry if you think I acted like that, I didn’t notice

[hollow grove]

Wake that up

[hushed stream]

truthfully I only submitted for this contest because I could earn a barbadge by doing it. I probably won't participate in another community contest unless there's some other external reason for me to do so

[mighty stump]

That sprite is cool you liar

[tulip tusk]

it looks like sonic the werehog if it was made out of painted pipecleaners

[rigid abyss]

LMAO

[south meteor]

I thank you for inspiring me to make a Necrozma of my own and while it didn't beat yours in score and had some flaws, it did good enough that I feel proud of it.
You might inspire more people to add Necrozma bodies in contests, and I want to do that with Palkia.
I believe a Necrozma of yours will win!

[tulip tusk]

i literally have sonic the werehog on the page where i made the sprite

[mighty stump]

And it is a cool sonic werehog with pipe cleaners

[tulip tusk]

palkia is such a cool mon with a fun shape and theme but also a pain in the ass, hell yeah! need more palkia sprites

[fading lodge]

it's not you, and really, it's not anyone here. I feel like there's a legit concern about the numbers, and a question on if we are headed in the right direction. Part of me wants to send you my sample "test contest" form to see if you all like it (and I'm sure it could be improved, which is why I was originally asking for feedback) and ask you to mention that 6 people have dominated the past year's podium.

The other part wants to crawl into a hole.

[slow gyro]

@fading lodge bestie I wish you the best, please rest a bit and feel free to come back whenever you feel better, I love talking to you, but sometimes arguing in the internet just make us feel worse

[mighty stump]

None of us want you to crawl into a hole

[slow gyro]

That’s the reason why i blocked Avid

[hollow grove]

Oop lmao

[tulip tusk]

despite my poor response to the argument, i do want to see your idea for a test contest- sorry

[mighty stump]

I do also want to see it

More events and more variety is always fun

[hushed stream]

I love variety :)

[fading lodge]

It wasn't so much a type of contest as a way to gather information. Let me link it again.

https://forms.gle/3GJDWqc7HfSx8TDKA This form is one I made to try and see if this way of collecting votes was better.

I need to improve image quality, but for now, this is the format I'm testing.

[slow gyro]

Ngl this is actually clever
It might work as a third contest option, and it might even make Gamr’s and Pory’s lives easier

[tulip tusk]

im not good at picking outa personal favorite/what i feel is best sprited from a giant list, I can't answer this

[hushed stream]

it kind of feels like a new type of contest to me because of the written feedback from community members. I think it'd be really cool to have that

[slow gyro]

I don’t think it should replace an already existing contest system, but would be great as another contest option to alternate between

[hushed stream]

variety :)

[hollow grove]

How would results look?

[tulip tusk]

i kinda wish there was a contest that had categories like mario party bonus stars that are just kinda random

[fading lodge]

I've basically got a template that collates the votes and awards "ranked points" based on if they voted it for first, second, or third.

[hollow grove]

Would it be like a big ol list of feedback

[slow gyro]

That’s something that you should probably talk to with Pory and Gamr, but asking here first was a good idea to see if we would support your idea

[hushed stream]

oh that'd be fun!

[mighty stump]

Actually question, am I viewing this form through the lens of just what sprite I personally liked best or what one I think is the best on some sort of guidelines?

[tulip tusk]

"most likely sprite that would rob me in a back alley" type of deal

[slow gyro]

I’m sorry this all became such a big discussion @fading lodge

[fading lodge]

My plan would be to take a few comments from the winning sprites and use them as guides to show what people thought of the winning sprite.

[slow gyro]

Yea this idea would work perfectly for a category style contest

[fading lodge]

You'd rank your personal top three, and then based on how you voted, your votes would be awarded accordingly. if that makes sense. I'm so tired.

[hushed stream]

kinda like senior superlatives (i'm unsure of how big of a concept this is outside the US if at all, and Im not sure where you live, but it's where graduating class members get voted the "most likely to..." or whatever)

[mighty stump]

Get some rest if you need it, sorry this conversation became a lot 🫂

[fading lodge]

it's fine. I accidentally signed up for this by making myself spokesman for people. Ironically, before all this, I liked the contest system.

I was trying to voice how some people wanted some changes to the system, and I got down a rabbit hole I can't come back out of.

[hollow grove]

I see it makes sense, so now the obvious question: how much more involved is this than the current method? Consider that our fearless leaders already struggle as it is to get things out in the current capacity (understandable its no shade)

[slow gyro]

If you suggest this idea to Gamr and Pory, know for sure that I will 100% support it, it’s a great idea

[fading lodge]

tbh, the hardest part is making the image. After that, it's just copy paste and some automatic calculations.

[rigid abyss]

"your votes would be awarded accordingly." sounds like a lot more work for the judges/idk who def a great idea! but does this mean the mods/idk who have to scroll through EVERY feedback and give the points case by case

[fading lodge]

In my form, if you vote a sprite for rank 1, it gets more points than if you vote it for rank 2, and then rank 3, if that makes sense. All done automatically.

[rigid abyss]

oh so like that, not based on the feedback/text given? then yea that sounds good

[hollow grove]

Im all for well thought out change. They would probably have to chime in from this point tho, im not too privy on what the current methods are for community voted

[fading lodge]

The feedback is optional, and would be to highlight why you voted your top favorite.

[tulip tusk]

do we still do sfx contests?

[rigid abyss]

and ppl who got less/little votes dont have to see them directly

[fading lodge]

It can be as transparent as we want it. We can publish the full rankings, or we can publish only the details that really benefit the server.

[stable dirge]

lowkey actually really love this idea lmaoooo. And like Mario Party, the winner ultimately ends up being up to chance

[tulip tusk]

i havent seen a sfx contest in a while

[slow gyro]

I plan to bring them back eventually
Basically I need to get a job so I can have a proper routine, then I’ll be able to make room for hosting them

[tulip tusk]

ah got it

those were fun and got good references for specific styles out of it

[fading lodge]

Hero, who did you say I should show my form to?

[tulip tusk]

also i won one and i am not biased (i forgot about that)

[slow gyro]

Last time I started them while I had a routine, but then I moved to Vancouver to study animation, and the volatility of my routine made me take way more time to judge them than what i actually wanted

[fading lodge]

TBH, with how easy my thing is to set up, we could have biweekly contests. Not that we want that.

[slow gyro]

Pory or Gamr, they’re basically the head of the Mime Jrs

[tulip tusk]

but sfx contests were actually really good for practicing textures and for references for the future, those drives of references were such a fun idea

[hushed stream]

I think there's a new form for event suggestions that might be a good place to put it?

[fading lodge]

Got it. @cyan gull and @cedar quest , can I show you my form for a new approach to contest votes? I can also show you the back end stuff (although I'd prefer to show over DM just in case it gets used for actual contests). https://forms.gle/3GJDWqc7HfSx8TDKA

[fading lodge]

I'll look for that too.

[mighty stump]

All the litwicks in this contest are really nice to reference because I still want to revamp my old Litwick/Aurorus sprite (it was used in my spriter application :3)

[rigid abyss]

my application sprites are.... are something

ive alrdy deleted 2 so the 3rd one is terrifyied

[hollow grove]

I do not speak of them

I pretend mine simply do not exist

[slow gyro]

Yea, Pory and I worked really hard on making a document with different sfx types, which Mons were recommended for those, how many times each prompt was used, etc

[tulip tusk]

mine weren't too awful but they were also

ourgh
only one made it to gallery

[slow gyro]

And the sfx drive was great for helping people study sfx

[rigid abyss]

guess which 2 got yeeted

[tulip tusk]

my diseased blue son

[rigid abyss]

~~im heading really off topic ~~

[stable dirge]

I'm updating one of my app sprites currently

[slow gyro]

My application sprites were definitely rough

Idk how Milchik gave me the role

[tulip tusk]

who the fuck let me use necrozma as my 10th gallery sprite

[stable dirge]

my Houndour is definitely in need of an update too because lordt

[tulip tusk]

genuinely why did i think that was a good idea that sprite was the worst ever to make

[stable dirge]

who the fuck let me freehand all 3 of my app sprites

[tulip tusk]

i had to manually repixel it because i learned that my program CANT Downscale pixel art

[rigid abyss]

looking at my past sprites make me cry as the probs but i simply dont have the energy to update ALL of them

[hollow grove]

Actually i take it back this is a diva

Like thats a woman

[rigid abyss]

thats sick

[slow gyro]

I’ve already rework them but I want to rework Heracross and Muk again

[rigid abyss]

i remember that volcarona

[fading lodge]

My first handful of sprites, from back before spriter applications were a thing.

[slow gyro]

Same

[tulip tusk]

ok only one never made it to gallery, i thought i used a dif one

[rigid abyss]

WHO LET ME UPLOAD THIS 😭 its not even facing the right way

[slow gyro]

This feels like showing your friends your baby photos this is so fun

[mighty stump]

Here's my application dino, I must remake it with the beautiful fire this combo deserves

[tulip tusk]

baby's first time learning dithering /j

[rigid abyss]

this. this is horrific. why

i love bullying past me

[tulip tusk]

ah my beautiful creation

[mighty stump]

Just remembee past you's sprites got you to current you's sprites

[slow gyro]

I love dithering so much

[rigid abyss]

my first misnumbering error 17~ sprites in

[slow gyro]

Check my last dithering

[rigid abyss]

beautiful

[tulip tusk]

wait i need to show you a scrapped bg from a game i maed

[rigid abyss]

also we dont talk about my liepards if liepard ever gets added im redoing ALL of them

yea past me was either stupid or high af

[tulip tusk]

*scrapped bg from a scrapped game jam game i was the artist for

[rigid abyss]

nice perspective

[mighty stump]

Woah funky

And very green

[rigid abyss]

but who puked on the camera

[mighty stump]

Very cool kinda gives me backrooks vibes

[slow gyro]

Dithering go brrrrrr

[mighty stump]

Why can I not type, yes backrook

[slow gyro]

It works so good

[rigid abyss]

damn the backrooks

[tulip tusk]

watch as i take peak and then completely fuck it up

[mighty stump]

Rook's secret evil liminal cousin

[tulip tusk]

the trashcan did get trash in it so maybe improvement???? who knows

[slow gyro]

I love dithering I’m going to dither Ribbon’s house again

[rigid abyss]

im realising i made like 70 sprites in my first month of spriting

who allowed this

[tulip tusk]

my dithering is even worst in another scrapped game jam game

[rigid abyss]

idk if the first point connects to the second

[mighty stump]

How in the world

[rigid abyss]

oh wait dither. i read enter

[rigid abyss]

idk i was a machine back then. a broken-questionably-running-low-tech-high-efficiency machine

[rigid abyss]

thats coool

[tulip tusk]

dithering is so fun its awesome and it sucks

[rigid abyss]

this is random

[slow gyro]

What a distinguished gentleman

[mighty stump]

Aww tophat

[tulip tusk]

more dithering

[mighty stump]

Prebby

[rigid abyss]

dot dot dot

[mighty stump]

I want to eat those colors

[rigid abyss]

not the person

[tulip tusk]

literally all of my non fandom sprites have dithering

[rigid abyss]

ayeeee babys first sprite when learning to do metal

[slow gyro]

Until this day I still struggle doing Metagross

[slow gyro]

Idk why i thought it was a good idea for me to do Muk/Metagross as one of my first three sprites

[rigid abyss]

my only metagross. shouldve seen the 9 arms vers

[kindred valley]

it's great wdym

[rigid abyss]

hey chanso

[kindred valley]

haha hello

[rigid abyss]

maybe 1 day ill sprite this + update that

[kindred valley]

that was terrible to render, idk why i made myself do that

[rigid abyss]

idk why i chose t sprite that

[slow gyro]

Not even I am that crazy
||Also me doing a Exeggutor/Ninetales with 28 heads||

[rigid abyss]

TF IS WRONG WITH U XD

[kindred valley]

that was what made me forswear beldum line for the foreseeable future
... then hero asked for those lampents

[tulip tusk]

HAAAA

can we start posting our most painfully sprited sprites

[long basin]

Peak

[tulip tusk]

i want to post the time machine

[rigid abyss]

i still need to udpate my carbinks lol

[slow gyro]

I love this sprite so much I’m finally using it on a playthrough and it’s peak

[rigid abyss]

newset vs oldest

[rigid abyss]

whats the body?

[tulip tusk]

celebi

[rigid abyss]

oh

quite big

[tulip tusk]

it was for an event, the design without the portal is far more readable

[slow gyro]

Ngl, lately I wasn’t actually enjoying spriting as much as I used to, and I realized while working on Toxa/Steelix, that it’s probably cause I don’t feel the same level of challenge that I used to when doing crazy shit like that Exeggutor/Ninetales

[rigid abyss]

theres a lot of potential my old one has that i couldnt put of back then. now i wanna try again

[tulip tusk]

this is also a sprite where i fucked up

either i downscaled or drew it with 99% opacity and had to fix it like 1-5 hours before the event ended

[rigid abyss]

oof

[kindred valley]

pain? idk i did quag heads for a good while and those aren't generally too terrible (and i offload my more involved concepts... like aforementioned ninetales )
this was pretty finicky though

[tulip tusk]

the wings look a little shit

[rigid abyss]

i think ppl make dhelmist out to be too hard. ive had fun in the few dhelmise ive done

[kindred valley]

part of it is that i am not creative enough to take full advantage of dhelmise
part of it is making the little details work

[slow gyro]

Dhelmise is definitely really fun to do, the same way Palossand and Muk are

[tulip tusk]

I FORGOT ABOUT THIS

CRYSTAL HELL

[slow gyro]

They’re simple mons but you can play with those concepts and add items to them

[stable dirge]

Pain sprites? Hmmm.... This was pretty painful for me

[rigid abyss]

the wheel angle aint angling but i wont fix it

[tulip tusk]

i remember i was fighting to get those crystals shaded

i remember the room i was in while i was spriting it

my creachur

[rigid abyss]

damn thats some nice shading

[tulip tusk]

i think i cooked on the wheel

[kindred valley]

this was also pretty painful. it never got galleried bc i couldn't figure out how to make the body not suck
but this was a while ago, maybe i should give it another go

[tulip tusk]

i thought it'd be way more popular but ive only seen people post it like twice lmao

[rigid abyss]

ah this

that wing on the left is.... its something

[stable dirge]

this one was An Ordeal

[tulip tusk]

WAIT, TOXAPEX

[mighty stump]

Where did the feathers go

[rigid abyss]

idk 😭

the concept art was like that so blame bogy ig /lhjk

[tulip tusk]

FUN DESIGNS BUT SO TEDIOUS

i dont know what the first one was even for

[rigid abyss]

this sprite taught me to draw roses

[kindred valley]

more toxapex :P

[rigid abyss]

might go back to clean it more

[rigid abyss]

aye i remember that too

[tulip tusk]

i still think the glaceon is one of my better posed sprites

[kindred valley]

i remember working on this mid studying for finals... oops.

[tulip tusk]

although the shading is
rough

[rigid abyss]

i want to learn wind to change the sfx one

[fading lodge]

I ate a sandwich. I should be going to bed. Smh.

[kindred valley]

this made me look up how many collabs we've done XD

[hollow grove]

Can i have a sandwich too pls

[rigid abyss]

me and orange got last place with this which i personally am proud off. how many ppl have gotten last place

[rigid abyss]

[kindred valley]

i have like three of your concepts that i need to sprite

[rigid abyss]

my collab count is crazy lol

[slow gyro]

Hope it was a great sandwich! Gn bestie

[kindred valley]

oh infinite dummies has updated

[fading lodge]

Good night!

[slow gyro]

One of my goals is to collab with the entirety of the staff

At least the Spriter ones

I’m actually close to doing so, Sapph and I are working on a collab rn

[hushed stream]

you gotta get frog to make a sprite

[slow gyro]

And aside from that I think I’m only missing Frog, and can’t remember if I collabed with Doodledoo

[rigid abyss]

i remember someone said i couldnt be a master collaber without collabing with frog before

[hushed stream]

we need one of those giant collabs again but get frog in it too so all those people can say they collabed with him

[rigid abyss]

im just loking at all the times i mention frog and-

[cloud solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/whatisgoingon-ohgod-crazy-gif-7867392

[rigid abyss]

Aye we had a happy ending

I think

[south meteor]

How does one get the chance to collab with Frog?
Ah, never mind. If Frog doesn't want to, then it won't happen.

[cedar quest]

So basically gotta find new challenging stuff

[cedar quest]

We have a program that makes the sheets for us, assuming that rather than a table we can just upload the single image.

[cedar quest]

Nah trust me it's fine, I encourage discussion of events' and everything related to 'em.

If there's something people wanna try or wanna see or wanna talk about - do it. I want to listen and apply stuff to make what we have even better.

Speaking of, @fading lodge - what I'd do is put your idea both in our suggestion form within the pins ((so I don't forget)), but also within #discord-suggestions ((since I wanna see how many others would also be interested in something like this))
-# Not saying I'm not, rather au contraire

[subtle moss]

You know, I think I had a sprite for Secret spriter, buit I totally forgot it

[south meteor]

Sent my secret spriter request.

[cedar quest]

You'd think being the one to make this each year

I'd have my request ready for when it comes around

But I

Never do

[rigid abyss]

idk what to put for my request i dont ever have a specific sprite i want to see

[south meteor]

Maybe something to further complete all fusions with your favorite mon?

As long as it wasn't already done in a rush, of course. Pick the next favorite.

[slate otter]

Hey Gordo can I have spriter role so I can be a secret Santa

[urban siren]

i'm evil this time

[dreamy loom]

CALI'S FIRST SECRET SPRITER

[rigid abyss]

welp i submitted

might be pain might be fun. depends on the spriter

[torpid osprey]

Maybe this time I'll actually get my sprite

[cedar quest]

||I'm making sure of it||

||Even with last years' request, with how much it's been passed around between people - I'm finally just doing it myself, you've seen it ||

[violet stratus]

i love secret spriter so much

[cedar quest]

Me too

I just thought of my request

And I think it's gonna be pretty cool to whoever gets it

Because there's just

A lot of ways to go at it

[cyan gull]

I hope I get it so I can kill it like my hopes and dreams

(this is a joke, can't kill what never existed)

[cedar quest]

Well you can't get a request without putting one in

Which you currently don't have

Just like said hopes and dreams

[cyan gull]

I'm labbing out the most heinous request

[cedar quest]

Mf

So true....

[cyan gull]

Every year I bring strife upon this world with my requests

[rigid abyss]

what did u do last year?

[cyan gull]

Idr

1st year was Forretress/Articuno though

[rigid abyss]

damn

[cedar quest]

Frogadier/Hakamo-o (486.472)

[cyan gull]

Yeah, just looked for it

Statistically least sprites combo

[signal nexus]

rip double ||starmie||
https://www.tumblr.com/khittyhawk/801024363409309696 [za spoilers]

[signal nexus]

i read that as "lose your teeth" for a second

[echo peak]

I just requested something I've had an idea for but never got to making. Should be pretty fun

[signal nexus]

so Team Barboach Family Blitz
i just woke up so i'm catching up alright

[cedar quest]

One one hand I agree with this in that the same people winning over and over and over again is frustrating. I for sure agree with that.

But the reason these people keep winning is because is because they keep going the extra mile in the contests really understanding the theme/prompt and executing really well on the challenge, with unique concepts and well-made art.

And out of the thousands of Spriters we have, only like 30-50 consistently interact with the contests each time, regardless of theme - rather than entering the ones they like.

Contests are good for IF because they ensure that the game gets those amazing sprites that keep players engaged, inspire other spriters ((like a rapport)) and a healthy sense of friendly competition is overally good for a community of this size.

[signal nexus]

i love looking at the breakdowns in #1235048817171103834

[cedar quest]

We've been exploring other options for contests, there's stuff I wanna try out next year

But like after every Rush, people end up burnt out - so if we just kept doing them over and over

People would just lose engagement with events, and the server as a whole

[signal nexus]

joy and creativity

[signal nexus]

https://tenor.com/view/marge-i-just-think-theyre-neat-the-simpsons-neat-potato-gif-8549864

[signal nexus]

that's just spotlights, nah?

[cedar quest]

.......

[signal nexus]

mine are perfect and i take no criticism
okay the puffs on the buneary are asymmetrical, but otherwise 😌👌

[rough frost]

🤔 💭 🇨

[signal nexus]

legendary head/baby body

[wintry mauve]

🙏

never participated in this but I'm going to now

ight sent my request

[slender thunder]

Event time

I am gonna participate again and this time not be overly annoying with how much I complain about the mons I got like last year I was definitely overreacting

[rigid abyss]

what u got last year>?

[slender thunder]

Delibird/Tangrowth

[rigid abyss]

ah

[slender thunder]

Tangrowth

ahem i just said i wouldnt complain anymore

I'm fine with anything I just hope it's like, avarage fully evolved guy or first stage and not golisppd or moltres or something

[rigid abyss]

i got slakoth/monferno. pretty meh but considering my experience last year, thank god i was a simple one

[slender thunder]

Now what should i request this year

Hmmmmm

I wonder what

[rigid abyss]

will it be bat?

[wintry mauve]

oh do you have to spoiler your secret spriter spritework post?

[rigid abyss]

no but if u want to u can iirc

i forgot

[wintry mauve]

i looked up and i saw a bunch spoilered but not all of them

i'm gonna spoiler it when i do it just in case

[dense jackal]

Ears on buneary not asymmetrical - get cancelled, amateur

[wintry mauve]

i hope i get a kind soul with a request that doesn't have an overly difficult sprite to make

[signal nexus]

Mistletoe?

[wicked perch]

went back to read through all the contest discussion that was happenin, hope im not super late and now everyone will point and laugh at how late i am . Usually i dont have much to say about contests since the cycle of people being unhappy with contests tends to happen suspiciously right after the contest results come out for some mysterious reason but in this case I think people have been saying useful things and i wanna discuss some of them.

first off, naka mentioned that contests don't really give you useful feedback, and, yeah, that's been my experience. Community contests give 0 feedback whatsoever, and past a certain point with the judged contests the feedback you get is just, 'i like this sprite :)'. Not tryna say the judges are in the wrong for this cos theres hundreds of sprites for them to possibly give feedback on but it feels like there's kind of a ceiling to how much the feedback will help, if that makes sense.

second off, somethin i think people were tending towards but maybe don't know how to put into words is that if you actually try to follow the server's stated spriting guidelines that are sayin 'make your sprites in the gen 5 art style,' you will not win a contest. Contest winners do things like having 4+ shading colors, or more than 16 total colors, or aggressive highlighting, or having a ton of background accessories. And i think these things are dope personally and they make very cool-looking sprites, but it is also sort of sending the message that yknow, we want you to do pokemon in the gen 5 art style, BUT if you actually stick to the letter of the gen 5 art style then your sprite is not as good as these other guys sorry try again next time :(. Me personally i like tryna see what i can do while also sticking pretty rigidly to gen 5's constraints, and its fun for me, i just also know i will not be winning contests doin that.

Like, here's reuniclus base body compared to the latest reuniculus body contest winner. I love reuniclus's vanilla design but he is not winning any contests in this discord sorry buddy.

Now that said i do like contests and dont want them to just disappear entirely because they give me a fun set of constraining themes and such to try and fit a necrozma body cool sprite into, and i think that's worth keeping. I also don't have a lot of time to sprite so when there's a fun event where you make 1 cool sprite that's exactly the typa thing encouraging me to appear and make a sprite and then disappear for a month again.

also i like the community spotlighting when it happens, someone was comparing them to mario party bonus stars but fun and yeah they are fun i like them :D

(didnt have a better natural segue into that particular idea :/)

[wintry mauve]

i like sprites that look cool 👍

Y'know the bad thing about these sprites that look good is that yeah they contrast a lot with the average sprites that actually try to follow the gen 5 style but aside from that they're still cool

[wicked perch]

yeah im not tryna knock their coolness i also think they are cool. i just think if thats the kinda sprite that we want in the spritepack and we want to be winning contests, then the current spriting guidelines don't quite align with that vision.
it sets up an expectation for what a good sprite is (which every new spriter reads and internalizes) but then it's also not -quite- accurate to what is considered cool and awesome in reality

[mighty stump]

I think that's a pretty good way of summing it up

[rough frost]

Red back in hiding for the season because of Gamr's redjudice 😔

[cerulean prawn]

could we maybe do mini contests with a more restricted set of rules? That way people can jump in and out as they like the theme

stuff like limited colours, only using parts from existing gamefreak sprites, restricting to a smaller size, etc

Sorta like one of the recurring events, with no role for winning

lower stakes, smaller pool of people, etc could help folks who feel overlooked

[signal nexus]

Sounds like the Say Royale

Or Magikarp Mysteries (ish). The judges did give feedback

[cerulean prawn]

idk what those are, but sounds like they could be fun!

[cloud solstice]

it's more so that gen5 style is not the actual style asked for, it's moreso a shortcut to explain it?
kind of a "know the rules to break the rules" kind of stuff, knowing what you can add without changing the style too much
the example sprite you give still fit in the asked style bc it doesn't break any rule like colored and black outlines, light source and shading, no over dithering (sorry hero ), looking to the left etc

[cerulean prawn]

Honestly the style is more like a mix between gen 5 and gen 3 to me

gen 5 is very flat, which people here don't like lol

3 had a lot more shading

which makes sense, the sprites were gonna be animated fully so keeping them flat makes 'em more legible

[cloud solstice]

true
I think gen 5 is also used for the size of the sprite (both the 96x96 format and size of the pokemon in the canvas)

[cerulean prawn]

yeah, size and colour style from gen 5, but shading style of gen 3

gen 3's colours were quite washed out and didn't often use pure black

[cloud solstice]

-# a lot of gen 5 sprites are also gen 4 sprites

[cerulean prawn]

yeah gen 4 is sorta a mid point, but if you look at the sprites from gen 4 versus brand new ones from gen 5, the brand new ones are very flat

[cloud solstice]

anyway, basically, pure gen 5 is more of a base/shortcut of what you can do, as long as you don't break guidelines you can go ham (with some restrictions )

[cerulean prawn]

Maybe these aren't the best examples, but you can see how little shading the gen 5 ones have

basically no shading at all on the faces, very little on the bodies besides putting the back leg in shadow

gen 3 is more likely to have highlights (again, maybe not the best examples but w/e I'm committing)

[signal nexus]

People complain about the shading of purrloin’s sprite all the time
And by “people”, I mean Tak

[cerulean prawn]

persian is a pretty good example actually

[mighty stump]

Yeah Persian's head especially looks flat

[cloud solstice]

actually could be worth doing some tweaking to the guidelines to ask for a more gen3 shading style but also gen5 is more "accessible" for newcomers

[cerulean prawn]

tbh I'm not sure it's worth being more specific with the guidelines, it's already really chaotic because of how many spriters have contributed

I'd say to aim for something in the gen 3-5 style, with clearer colours and a max canvas size of 96

sfx completely blow the thing up though because gf sprites have never let fire etc affect their lighting much

we're just showboats :p

[cloud solstice]

anyway ppl are going to complain about contests no matter what
every time a new voting style has been introduced ppl have done so

[signal nexus]

Lies to children

[signal nexus]

Everyone loves entering contests. Nobody likes placing in them

[cerulean prawn]

like this one I made before I started spriting for the server again I think is fairly close to gen 5 style, and the main feedback I got was to add more lighting effects

[cloud solstice]

judging can be equally torturous or delightful (depending on the amount of sprites )

[signal nexus]

That was actually the first version

[mighty stump]

Woah super pretty doggo

[cloud solstice]

it would look more awesome but up to you, still a pretty sprite

[cerulean prawn]

LMAO.. I don't disagree, but that would not be gen 5 style

[mighty stump]

Yeah

[cerulean prawn]

I've clearly given up on that at this point and just do whatever

[cloud solstice]

go beyond

[signal nexus]

#event-general message

[signal nexus]

Gen 5 is the trampoline

[cloud solstice]

I say we do a big public sheet for judging contest, what could go wrong

[cerulean prawn]

gesture at the gen 5 style but do what you want

[signal nexus]

I didn’t realize what you meant at first and was picturing one of those giant collaborative canvases

[cloud solstice]

well it's pretty much that but with google sheets

[signal nexus]

Well, this is the event-general channel 🤔
Should I make my secret spriter request the same as my current sprite-request or would that be against the spirit of the event?

[cloud solstice]

spoiler
I don't think it would be illegal but better check in with gordo

[signal nexus]

I’ve been trying to coax someone to do that for a while 🤔

[cerulean prawn]

probably delete the original request if you do that so it's not gonna get picked up twice too

[signal nexus]

Hence why I only spoke in vague terms

[signal nexus]

Yeah. If it’s kosher I’ll delete 🤔

[cloud solstice]

is that on purpose?

[signal nexus]

The main thing is it’d be easily tracable back to me for anyone with a memory longer than a goldfish’s

[cloud solstice]

you're safe with me

[cerulean prawn]

how many people actually browse the requests channel though-

[signal nexus]

@cedar quest what say you?

[rough frost]

it's a gen 5 sprite with characteristics one might consider outside of the style/overendered

[signal nexus]

Enough to get irked when someone constantly reposts their request

[cloud solstice]

oh tru

[cerulean prawn]

tbh mostly just the horns, the rest isn't that crazy

[signal nexus]

Not me misreading those horns as cat ears

[cloud solstice]

there's 2 shading color for the snow

[mighty stump]

Nothing says Glalie isn't a cat

[cerulean prawn]

there's a few others, like chimecho

[signal nexus]

Apparently trubbish is a cat

[mighty stump]

What the heck, Trubbish is a bunny

[cerulean prawn]

I also see bunny

[signal nexus]

Searching “trubbish is a cat” in this discord gets several comments

[cerulean prawn]

No hoppip, automatically invalid

[signal nexus]

Hoppip hit an updraft and is just out of frame

[cloud solstice]

no Shinx? or does lion cubs not count

[signal nexus]

I think we were chatting in Theme Blitz that we could manage a “raining cats and dogs blitz” but not either individually

Unless you stretch it

[rigid abyss]

whiscash is in there and not hoppip xD

[cloud solstice]

you can say it's a... catfish

[rigid abyss]

lmao

[mighty stump]

On shading differences by generation, I think Feraligatr is a good example, you can see a big difference in depth between the three

[cloud solstice]

is, is that dithering

[cerulean prawn]

gen 3 had dithering!!

[mighty stump]

Yes

Gen 3 loves dithering

[cloud solstice]

heresy

[mighty stump]

It's probably what is infact helping them to add so much depth

[cerulean prawn]

dithering is a great way to make the most of a small palette and I'll die on that hill

[rigid abyss]

gen 3 sprites have so much personality i love them

look at him. adorable

[formal river]

Shinx is a lynx and no neither him nor litleo count

[mighty stump]

That rat is gonna punch you

[cerulean prawn]

yellow and gen 2 are my favourites tbh. Yellow's sprites are all so charming

[cloud solstice]

evil

[rigid abyss]

rat

[cerulean prawn]

the best arcanine has ever looked

I love that sprite

[rigid abyss]

smh not facing left

[cerulean prawn]

it's looking back over its shoulder!!

[mighty stump]

I know I've often gotten sprites from previous gens to use as bases because they had some charm that gen 5 couldn't provide

[cerulean prawn]

gen 2 poses are so much more dynamic

later gens will not do this

[mighty stump]

I pet the big scary dog

[rigid abyss]

gen 5 killed the vibe

[mighty stump]

Yeah 😔

[rigid abyss]

smh gen 5

[cerulean prawn]

my good friends

gen 5 is just hgss dragonite but worse and less appealing

colours are worse. shapes are worse. proportions are worse

[mighty stump]

I revamped the second one to use in a fusion because I loved its adorable posing so much!

[cerulean prawn]

it's so good!! I love that pose

[mighty stump]

And then I never actually made the fusion that I wanted to make with it

[rigid abyss]

omg this gen 3 is so animated-like lol. like showing off

[cloud solstice]

time to make a secret spriter request then

[mighty stump]

Gen 5 unchubbed them and put them in the A pose

[cerulean prawn]

it's so RUDE

[rigid abyss]

oh the gen 4 one is so nicee

[mighty stump]

Here's my baby

[cerulean prawn]

WHAT A FRIENDDDD

I LOVE THEM

[signal nexus]

Cats: meowth/persian, skitty/delcatty, sneasel, hoppip, trubbish, whiscash , entei, mew/mewtwo, shinx/luxio/Luxray, maybe some of the eeveelutions?
Dogs: growlithe/Arcanine, smeargle, snubbull/granbull, houndour/houndoom, riolu/lucario (though they’re more jackals), rockruff/lycanroc, poochyena and electrike?

[cerulean prawn]

You've captured my favourite parts of dragonite

[signal nexus]

They needed to get the animation in there 😔

[cerulean prawn]

it's probably my favourite pokemon of all time, idk how I've not made a fusion with it yet

I understand the reasons the art style evolved like it did, but sometimes legibility kills how interesting the sprites are :( Like that arcanine I linked, it's so scrunched it's hard to understand if you don't know what it looks like, but it's cool

[signal nexus]

Reminds me of commentary on the idle poses of the 3D gens

[mighty stump]

Yeah

[cerulean prawn]

The idle poses make me so sad, colosseum was weird but had some bangers

[mighty stump]

There's a person on YouTube who made new idle animations for pokemon based on their natures, it's really fun

[cerulean prawn]

I think I've seen some of their videos in my recs, I love that idea

[hollow grove]

Ahhh my favorite event is finally here!!!!

[cloud solstice]

prize hunters?

or discussing how contests are organized/judged

[hollow grove]

Nope, secret spriter! Though prize hubters is nice too!

[rigid abyss]

secret spriter

[hollow grove]

Prize hubter

[rigid abyss]

ah my favorite event! debating

[cloud solstice]

secret prize spriter hunter

[cloud solstice]

you're joking but Jojo played a big role in getting contests judged by selected judges rather than only staff

[rigid abyss]

lol

[hollow grove]

Change is never easy!

Lol

[rigid abyss]

idk what u mean i spent less then a day to decide whether im changing schools

[hollow grove]

Omg im in awe tbh

Imagine not having executive dysfunction and decision paralysis smh

[rigid abyss]

i do

[hollow grove]

Unless ur being sarcastic in which case. Felt LMAO

[rigid abyss]

[rigid abyss]

(it took about late feb till early november)

[cloud solstice]

damn, I hope it went smoothly in the end

[rigid abyss]

no clue. since it happened this year.

i also had to make a life changing decision in 10 mins tho everyone else spent a year on it since im also jumping a grade u can tell how stressed out i was

[tame egret]

I just read through that entire conversation on contests 😭

[cloud solstice]

welcome to the club

[hushed stream]

i hope it was entertaining

[tame egret]

I think in general it’s nice to have events and while it can be sad that the same people win a lot, that’s kinda just because they’re good at this stuff, me personally I’ve done pretty badly in every contest I’ve competed in but after I got over the initial sadness I was happy for the experience and the fact that it gave me a good motivation to go further, my best sprites are all from contests so

[cyan gull]

I like rigging them from behind the scenes

[wintry mauve]

thank you for your helpful contribution to this conversation

[cyan gull]

[tame egret]

that's why i'm winning this one right

-# right?

[cyan gull]

I don't see 37 morbillion dollars in my account

[tame egret]

it hasn't updated yet trust the process

[cyan gull]

Likewise

[tame egret]

😨

[slender thunder]

now to decide on the second mon from my fusion

[slender thunder]

its been 2 months and i still dont know where to go

2.5/3 months actually

[fading lodge]

Left in both locations, as requested.

[fading lodge]

Discord Suggestion is found here, for those that wanna leave feedback on the contest voting idea: #discord-suggestions message

[wicked perch]

yeah idk. Technically the spriting guidelines have a line sayin that using the gen 5 style is desired but not required, but the feedback new spriters get tends to push them to match gen 5 exactly, because its the easiest way to describe to them how to make a sprite that isn't off-style.

Moving beyond that is a difficult thing to convey in feedback though since consistent style is good for video games but a more personal style is good for making cool art

in my personal experience i dont think ive ever gotten feedback that encouraged me to push outside the boundaries of gen 5 i had to figure out what parts of that i liked by meself

[astral niche]

Yay It's finally here

I made a request that is hopefully not too hard , can't wait to see who will I sprite

also I got a really good christmas themed fusion that I wanted to request but decided that I wanted to sprite it myself

[rapid knot]

I came up with a request that I'm actually looking forward to seeing

I plan on making fanart of my request as a thank-you gift like I did the last two years, too

[fading lodge]

I don't have a skull request.

[orchid minnow]

I made a request that should look really neat! Hoping i don't get a fusion that's too tricky lol!

[rapid knot]

I unashamedly request mons without worrying about how hard they are to sprite
Worst-case scenario I get a lazy splice

I have confidence in spriters' abilities to rise to the challenge

[wicked perch]

oh yeah hey @cedar quest is it possible to request that we get given one of the hard-to-sprite sprites lol

i want to suffer this holiday season

[rapid knot]

I can't wait to see all the secret sprites going up in the gallery so I can peek at them like OOHHH ahahaha...

[slim fern]

It's gonna be my first secret spriter, I'm so excited!

[cedar quest]

-#

[fading lodge]

I may participate in the POTW raffle this week. How interesting.

[tame egret]

Wait so are polls happening today? I’ve been a bit confused by the schedule

[cedar quest]

They are

[cedar quest]

My formatting hates me

[urban siren]

[crystal folio]

I hope the Meloetta goes far, that one's pretty

[urban siren]

my sprites are fighting again

[potent sorrel]

I got 5 whole votes

[urban siren]

why this always happen

[potent sorrel]

1 is me

so uh, yay 4 votes!

[urban siren]

i'm gonna support multiple voting

[cedar quest]

Blame this

[crystal folio]

two of mine were in the same poll as the Tyrantrum and Talonflame, never stood a chance

but the third won their poll, so I can't be too upset

[tame egret]

Yeah I definitely don’t get past this

[cedar quest]

||One of these things is not like the others ||

||I'm lowkey so surpised the goober made it past prelims, really funny||

[tame egret]

Yeah, that dusclops stands out a lot

[dense jackal]

I wanna guess it's a ||spiritomb/joltick|| but feel like there's something more obvious I may be missing.
I'd say maybe ||gulpin|| but it looks so smol!

[long basin]

i think its ||chimecho|| but idk

[tame egret]

I think it’s a chimecho

[long basin]

oh am i supposed to spoiler

[cedar quest]

I mean there's no hard rule against it

But ideally yes, since like

Discussion of stuff within current polls can contribute to the results of said polls if people read what it said

And change their opinion because of outside influence

[tame egret]

Oops

[oblique heath]

i voted for the small fella

[subtle moss]

Dang, one of my sprites made it. First time for that IIRC

[cloud solstice]

I'm rooting for it it's very cute

[tame egret]

Which one are you talking about

[cloud solstice]

you'll never know

[tame egret]

😨

[signal nexus]

oh right did you see my ping?

[dense jackal]

For anyone curious about the specifics of this:

[cedar quest]

I did not realize Pory put it into the guidelines

[cedar quest]

I did - you'll just have to wait and see

[signal nexus]

okay, because i wasn't going to submit that as an entry until i knew for sure it was okay or not

[echo peak]

I'm shocked my Mimikyu got through

[signal nexus]

i didn't want to waste your time!

[kindred valley]

huh i'm kind of surprised my milotic made it.. but of course it was the one litwick i sent

[cerulean prawn]

It's a really lovely design! Very well deserved

[stable dirge]

Okay the fire is GORGEOUS

[fading lodge]

||I have feelings about the goober you mention here, but I'm not allowed to post them in the server until after the contest is over.||

Also, didn't realize we had posted that guidelines pic. I knew about it, but didn't realize some didn't remember.

[slender thunder]

Finally submitted my thing for spriter

[blissful kindle]

PEBBLE LOST NOOOOOOO

[minor garnet]

are you okay cabine?

[rigid abyss]

no his pebble got lost

[long basin]

:(

[rapid knot]

https://tenor.com/view/sky-cotl-cole-and-nico-skykid-sky-children-of-the-light-plushie-gif-9643500666584866409

[plain wing]

I haven't thought about that game in ages

[jagged hinge]

Whoa the last poll had one vote between first and second

[tame egret]

Polls today?

[cedar quest]

yeyeey was doing stuff in mini-events

Having fun w/ the RPG

Will have polls up by the new hour

Also for the tie in the first poll, for sake of simplicity I'm considering them both 3rd and just... going to move them both since I doesn't effect the final number of sprites still making it to the finals

Although I could just also be a tie-breaker, since I don't vote in the polls
-# For this very reason to be a tie-breaker, but like

-# Idc rn let 'em both go, yippee

[cerulean prawn]

love wins!!

[waxen echo]

I don't like voting for just one, there's so many good ones

[signal nexus]

uh @cedar quest
i can't see the semis in #contest-polls?
is, uh, anyone else having the same issue?

[hushed stream]

no

[signal nexus]

lemme restart discord

turns out restarting discord solved the problem
i have no idea what happened there

[long basin]

diagnosis: skill issue

[fading lodge]

#discord-suggestions message may solve your problems in the future (not currently).

[crystal folio]

I can't see em either

[signal nexus]

does restarting discord help?

[crystal folio]

there they are

funki

[signal nexus]

https://tenor.com/view/eeyup-mlp-my-little-pony-gif-5373831

[proven nova]

I thought we completed the Duskull heads?

These weren't done either, so really we shouldn't have gotten the Spritober Rush bonus

[fading lodge]

Duskull stunfisk has a sprite in the gallery. Maybe it got alted?

[proven nova]

It's not even visible as an alt I think it just got straight up removed

[fading lodge]

Didn't find Dusclops Slakoth, though it could be misspelled.

[signal nexus]

if the claims sheet is still visible, we can see who claimed them

[signal nexus]

looks like both of them are listed as Galleried on the claims sheet with no name attached. i don't know if that's the fault of the sheetmaker or some overzealous helper 🤔
but yeah, the stunfisk was removed. can't find any trace of the porygon-z

[hollow lark]

we haven't collabed (I rarely Collab) but I'd be super glad to do a torterra for instance

[signal nexus]

same seems true of this batch, but the pidgeotto might have an explanation, given this error report: #1423955889525882910 message

[slow gyro]

I’m down, rn I have a lot on my queue, so I’d say maybe next year

[hollow lark]

no rush at all

[slate otter]

Plot twist U mean this time next year

[slow gyro]

Nah

Hopefully I can finish my queue before the end of the year

I hope

[blissful kindle]

Rigged semi finals

I see no spiritomb chimecho

justice for pebbl

[jagged hinge]

The world wasn’t ready for peb

[minor garnet]

Gordo hates us

[cedar quest]

The site only reflects the most recent pack

[proven nova]

I checked the game files. It's not even in there

[signal nexus]

i can't find anything in the gallery with those names, though, and we're missing names on the spreadsheet

[sly shuttle]

I know the sheet had some fake gallery marks

I made Litwick/Talonflame even though it was mistakenly marked as gallery initially

[vocal frost]

Until the day I gain the pass to post in recurring-events, FtL propaganda will be sent here /silly

[fading lodge]

Def glad the pebble didn't go far. As a fusion, not good imo.

[mighty stump]

Chat if I made an event that awarded points to redeem for fun made up little digital rewards, what should earn how many points?

If spriting a fusion awarded one point, then how many points should making concept art, or writing dex entries award? Might also add other things like giving sprites feedback and making fanart.

(this is currently just in rough draft hypothetical stages and depends if I have time to do this months from now so don't get your hopes up haha)

[cloud solstice]

if spriting award one point, concept art would be something like 0.7 point and dex entry 0.5?
sprite feedback maybe 0.1 or 0.3 depending on whether you mean giving one for each piece of feedback or just giving feedback for a sprite
making fanart would be on a similar or higher level as concept art but it doesn't really contribute to the game (the general goal for events) so it's up to you if want to give more bc more effort or less bc less contribution
feel free to contradict me

[mighty stump]

Thank you for the thorough input! I will keep this all in mind

[blissful kindle]

As a fusion it's the fucking best I think you meant

[tame egret]

As someone who almost got knocked out in the quarters by the pebble, I think it’s for the best it lost otherwise it would’ve been pretty insane 😭

[fading lodge]

As a sprite manager, you should know it's not great. But your on hiatus, so I forgive.

[cerulean prawn]

joke sprites can be good! I liked it

[plain wing]

https://tenor.com/view/youre-your-gif-22328611

[cloud solstice]

it's a joke alt cmon

[signal nexus]

imagine server icon pebble

[mighty stump]

That would be really funny shdnsjsjsjs

[thick harness]

I was rooting for the lil pebble to win. He was taken from us too soon 💔

[plain wing]

Actually now that you say that I wish it won

[dreamy loom]

JUSTICE FOR PEBBLE

[hollow grove]

The pebble cult is forming

[orchid minnow]

all hail the mighty pebble

[long basin]

Pebl

[blissful kindle]

As a sprite manager I knew it's not that good, but I also know the power of a joke sprite

PEBBLE GANG RISE UP

[tulip tusk]

i love you pebble

shouldve joined the gang of sprites that won because they were funny

which only has one member because i only remember self serving information

[wicked perch]

pebbl... 💚 🪨

[orchid minnow]

pebble

[crystal folio]

my baby boy didn't make it

[cedar quest]

I went with the top 4 rather just top 2 for Finals here

That part of the guideline is when Semis used to be 4 - same as Quarters

Just still smaller than the first quarters

[echo peak]

I knew I wouldn't make it

But I guarantee a Litwick will win

If not, I'll take a sprite request or something

[tame egret]

Oh man I was 5th so close

[cerulean prawn]

omg I got two into the finals!! I don't think goop dog is gonna win, but I'm proud of her nontheless

[tame egret]

Only 3 votes from being able to say I was a finalist and then refuse to elaborate on how I did in the finals

[urban siren]

5/8 of them are litwicks

[south meteor]

Ty to everyone who voted for my sprites. 🙏

[echo peak]

and they're guaranteed winners

[fading lodge]

this doesn't sound very threatening.

[echo peak]

Wasn't intented to be

That and I don't really do sprite requests as is so...

[fading lodge]

Well then, it definitely doesn't sound threatening.

[echo peak]

I usually do this to myself just because I need more push to sprite I guess

[fading lodge]

Also, for the next contest or something soon, I'd like ||Gordo to test my new system. We can make voting more engaging!||

[mighty stump]

Yeah that'll be fun to test out

[signal nexus]

what about the firing squad

[echo peak]

Eh

[mighty stump]

Things are getting brutal in the discord aifbauibfuianji

[signal nexus]

onyxsylvian be like:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPVhWFbAO4E

[echo peak]

Right...

[signal nexus]

it's a song about a guy who survived a firing line!

[echo peak]

Gotcha

[sly shuttle]

Only 5/8 of them are litwicks

[cedar quest]

Most likely not until the second half of the year, but I do have plans to try it out

[dense jackal]

All 5 of them? 😮
That's impressive

[cerulean prawn]

Yeah, in the last vote the top four were only 2 litwick, one sableye and one dusclops

So it's probably closer to 50/50 whether a litwick wins imo, if not less because the ones that aren't litwick stand out more

[tame egret]

Fire sfx do catch your eye a lot so it’s no surprise that the litwicks did well, especially with how well done they were

[cerulean prawn]

Oh yeah, litwick was probably the easiest one to make impressive

But that's just attesting to the quality of the other three imo

[echo peak]

Yeah, it's almost unfair how good they are but they're easily the top 5

I throw in the towel and acknowledge the spriter's capabilities of making these

[tulip tusk]

public voters LOOOVE fire sfx lol

[echo peak]

And candle wax lol

[orchid minnow]

We get our assigned sprites for secret spriter tomorrow

[long basin]

Woag

[oblique heath]

oh god i'm scared, please karma don't make me have to sprite smt too hard

[plain wing]

I'm nervous too lmao

[cedar quest]

-# Most likely the 9th, truth be told - I still have to shuffle 'em

[cloud solstice]

technically there's over a day left for submitting

[cedar quest]

Indeed

[signal nexus]

the Internet is lying to me!

[jade chasm]

i hope i get something complicated

[signal nexus]

Pineco/dialga

[jade chasm]

hey you arent the event organizer elf

[cedar quest]

Nah that's me

[signal nexus]

You can claim in it in the current #1197396047434088518 message

[solid coral]

I hope i get a mew, or something cute

[oblique heath]

a lugia body is waiting for u

[solid coral]

I can do a lugia body

[oblique heath]

claydol/lugia (not the sprite i've sent btw, i forgor mine )

[cloud solstice]

that one's for @near horizon

[near horizon]

NOOOO

https://tenor.com/view/gun-db-shotgun-gif-21597283

[echo peak]

I should be able to work with whatever I get hopefully

[plain wing]

Hopefully I can get something that I am capable making look good

[signal nexus]

I will get suffering and take several months to complete it

[tame egret]

Results are out

[cerulean prawn]

SO CLOSE.....

[signal nexus]

Ooh, eked out the Litwick meta

[cerulean prawn]

I'm not surprised, it stands out more

people who like litwick fusions had 5 options to choose

[tame egret]

Congratulations to everyone who got this far

[tulip tusk]

im not sure if id be happy or upset if i got a necrozma to sprite

[plain wing]

I don't even remember what I asked for but I think it was a cute thing

[tulip tusk]

i requested something that i want to see but am too lazy to do

[plain wing]

Fair

[signal nexus]

Necrozma head/tiny body

[plain wing]

I love when big heads are placed on litol guys

[tulip tusk]

i have some sprites like that and theyre fun

[signal nexus]

The more I think on this the more I think I used the wrong word
“Eked out around” or smth? 🤔

[signal nexus]

Then that’s the necrozma you’d be happy about

[plain wing]

Now do Necrozma/Litwick

[tulip tusk]

fun in their designs

pain in the ass to sprite

[tulip tusk]

that'd be a great excuse to do a rainbow fire sfx

[cerulean prawn]

I'm so scared of what I'll get, I was quite nice with mine

[signal nexus]

Fish body

[cerulean prawn]

I like fish!

[tulip tusk]

i like how i literally didnt even use necrozma's face for any of these for some reason????

[cerulean prawn]

I'm more scared of a pineco or ferrothorn head or something

[plain wing]

I can't say whether or not I was nice with mine. I genuinely can't remember what I put lmao

[cerulean prawn]

or necrozma ig

[plain wing]

I don't think I did something mean but I can't say for certain

[tulip tusk]

last year i think i did a necrozma because the original spriter couldnt finish

[cerulean prawn]

just something I don't like much that has a lot of nasty details I don't wanna dooo

[sly shuttle]

I was worried that if requested something mainstream, the request would go to someone known for making the mon

[signal nexus]

Pineco/necrozma

[cerulean prawn]

evil