event-general

[lunar comet]

machop line too tbh. there's plenty of fighting types that aren't literally just Buff Men

[signal reef]

According to https://if.daena.me/ the Pokemon with the least amount of fusions seems to be Seadra

Which is surprising but would be the most removeable mon

[lunar comet]

i mean

if sprite completion is the criteria then miltank has to stay in, therefore i disagree with your argument

[signal reef]

Not an argument, just pointing a fun fact, I would also agree to remove miltank

[civic mauve]

I think that’s recent, it wasn’t long ago that it was Vigoroth and Magmar towards the bottom iirc. I think Seadra does have some unique traits, but it is another reason why Skrelp maybe isn’t the best pick for the poll

[slow gyro]

Let’s kill that Klinklang cow

[wind matrix]

i remember when monferno was the least amount

[slow gyro]

||Not gonna lie Monferno is the only Mon I like from that Evo line||

[civic mauve]

Right! That was the other one. Knew I was forgetting one

[signal reef]

My maths were wrong, Vigoroth is indeed the least amount currently on the website

[wind matrix]

I don't like any from that evo line

[signal reef]

but yea Seadra/Vigoroth/Magmar/Monferno are bottomline

[slow gyro]

Thats completely fine, I just like Monferno cause of Pokémon Battle Revolution

[wind matrix]

ah, I don't play that lol

[amber sluice]

Latias is my baby but Latios is allowed to die to save her

[wind matrix]

I've made 12 vigaroths lol

[slow gyro]

Interesting, magmar fusions are usually quite cool

[dusk schooner]

They're the same pokemon

[amber sluice]

But latias is cute baby

[slow gyro]

Also magmortar fusions, those have a lot of potential

[signal reef]

Usually people go for Magmortar instead I would guess 🤔

[wind matrix]

just have one of them then

[dusk schooner]

Delete them both

They both stink

[slow gyro]

I just made this one lol

[amber sluice]

and pick latias because white/red color palette gold eyes and b a b y

[slow gyro]

And it’s not even ugly

[wind matrix]

middle stages tend to get ignored a lot

We should have a middle stage contest sometime

[slow gyro]

Middle stage cup when?

[signal reef]

I decided to give some loves to Wartortle who is funny enough more interesting to fused than Squirtle & Blastoise

[amber sluice]

yeah people either want to sprite either the beginning or end of a line and ignore the "temporary" middle stages

[slow gyro]

Infinite entries, money price and such

What could go wrong?

[wind matrix]

not again

[heady moat]

I really like Seadra, I should do some fusions for it since it's so neglected apparently

[amber sluice]

I should see how many grovyle has, I objectively like him better than his other two forms

[wind matrix]

i did a seadra once

[signal reef]

Grovyle has less fusion than Sceptile & Treecko

[civic mauve]

I’ve done twice as many Seadras as Kingdras (I have done 1 Kingdra)

[signal reef]

despite being the PDM goat

[wind matrix]

grovyle > sceptile

[civic mauve]

Pokémon Dystery Mungeon

[amber sluice]

grovyle's got style that sceptile lost, give us a regional treeko with a third stage that keeps that agile feathered dinosaur vibe

[heady moat]

I have done exactly one (1) Seadra, and it was a not-particularly-good self fusion

[signal reef]

Exactly

[heady moat]

Seaxray is cool as hell tho

[signal reef]

We should do a Dystery Mungeon contest with Grovyle, Dusknoir and company

[civic mauve]

Ooh that could be neat for a Legends Arceus style game ^^

[wind matrix]

I liked grovyle before mystery dungeon

[wind matrix]

tru green did a split evo video where he made an evo that was more like grovyle

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWkniP2tsDg

[civic mauve]

Maybe a prehistoric themed game where the variants are the fossils back before they all became rock types

[amber sluice]

Johto is ripe for a Legends title, I'd give em treeko, what else would be neat prehistoric type

aside from Totodiles line because that's obvious but I don't think they'd include one of the local starters for a variant but not the others

[lunar comet]

uhhhhhh charmander is kind of dinosaur-y?

tbh none of the starters really give me prehistoric vibes

fuecoco maybe? since it's literally just fire totodile

[amber sluice]

Oh I'd kill to get a new evolution line for Fuecoco. Skeledirge is great but not at all what I was expecting or hoping for from the lil head empty guy

And there's a ton of prehistoric crocodiles that got really diverse, Kaprosuchus is my favorite but there are others to pull from, so it's a good pick

[civic mauve]

Saber tooth Incineroar maybe?

[amber sluice]

Oo that's a good one too

[lunar comet]

i could see an argument for mudkip but that would be two from the same gen

[amber sluice]

Huh yeah ancient amphibians have a lot of potential too.

BUT WAIT there was the legitimately flying lizard coelasauravis, we could salvage Intelleon

[civic mauve]

Ooh, that could be interesting. But would it be too close to feathered Sceptile?

[amber sluice]

Alternatively, FROG. Bubble based Belzebufo mon from Froakie, - the frog that ate dinosaurs

Everybody loves greninja but I was personally very sad about the loss of the bubble aesthetic, so if I could have a big bubbly frog boy that'd be great

[civic mauve]

Chonky bubble frog yes

[amber sluice]

Then litten to add a mammal via the sabertooth for diversity or fuecoco for personal satsifaction

Granted those are my favorite starters from their respective generations anyway so not like I'd be wanting for choices

[civic mauve]

I’d love to play this game so much. Whether it’s a game set in prehistory or a post-apocalyptic Jurassic Park type scenario I bet it’d be neat ^^

[odd garnet]

You think that's bad?
Blastoise lost it's wing ears and swirly tail
😔

[amber sluice]

I KNOW fluffy feathery ears are my aesthetic, we need more of them on final stage mons and not just middle stages, it's p e a k design

[surreal folio]

Good luck to everyone in the contest

[young plover]

wartortle and frogadier are both so cool. greninja and blastoise are also cool but definitely lose a bit

[amber sluice]

Yeah they're each valid aesthetics but they're very divergent from their middle stages, and those two I really liked the mid stages elements and I miss em

[young plover]

i definitely want a past-form blastoise who is water/flying with big fluffy wings and stuff, and greninja would be a cool idea too

paradox i mean

[silver merlin]

i rigged the judging

i win

[young plover]

i like the combo of red and ice

[wind matrix]

We're gonna have to disqualify Katten now

[lunar comet]

smh my head, blatant abuse of power

sprite's pretty good looking tho ngl

[signal reef]

my dream

[young plover]

i mean hey if we find the right fusion we can technically make them a reality in infinite fusion. i'll leave that to others for now tho lol

[livid tulip]

Based

[quartz locust]

Damn, that Raboot evolution is so much better than Cinderace (and I like Cinderace). 😮

[quartz locust]

I consider the scaling to be part of the BW style, so I take it into account, yes. 😅

Very few sprites should be anywhere near 96 pixels wide or tall. 90 is probably about as far as you should reasonably go for non-Legendaries. 🙂

Both don't stick to BW, and suffer the same fate. 😛

It's like a bell curve. 'Too good' is on the rightmost part of that bell curve, meaning it's lower as well. 😄

To me, a big part of pixel art is about showing restraint and prioritising the right details. Going full ham yields great-looking results, but they lack stylistic consistency with even Legendary Pokémon sprites in a lot of cases. 😃

[young plover]

unless they're just a big pokemon or are doing something to increase their height

[crisp cargo]

cassette beasts basically does split evos with its starters

it's 2 starters instead of 3 but each of them splits into 2 branches for evo 2

[random crypt]

I kinda appreciate this, I love looking at all the cool sprites but some of them look really out of place against all the pokemon you'll encounter

[livid tulip]

I think the same too. Many people here would think that no restrictions means more freedom to do anything, but I think some restrictions make things better according the context. For a Pokémon game, working with palettes with 15 colors maximum (not counting transparency) and using the correct sizing for each Pokémon makes the sprites more fitting and cleaner than adding a bunch of colors and details that in the end makes the design more dirty and less Pokémon-esque. Not being forced to take some restrictions doesn't mean it's not a good practique apply some limitations to reach a better result

It's like open a bakery, hiring someone and they start to make shoes. Doesn't matter they are the best shoes you have ever seen, they are working in a bakery after all

[surreal folio]

Especially with vfx. No offence to Hero but their jirachi was just overload. I personally don't think it would've placed as high as it did without vfx.

[livid tulip]

I feel that many people wouldn't make the sprites in 96x96 if they weren't forced to make their sprites at that size then resizing them to 288x288. They would simply do them in 288x288, so they could (over) detail the sprites more

[dense jackal]

Had to use 18 colours for my entry because snorunt's palette is garbage for shading anything but greys 😔

[young plover]

i'll use all the colours i need for clarity v(^-^)v there's a plus to limiting your palette but it's not a strict benefit either, pros and cons

[random crypt]

pretty much yeah, 96x96 really forces you to make use of every pixel carefully

[dense jackal]

Although if you do base stage Pokémon you usually get less than 50x50 because of size requirements

[random crypt]

lil babies

[livid tulip]

Not entirely that. It's mostly like a maximum your sprite can reach if you have the need, but in most cases you shouldn't reach 96 pixels in any direction unless you need to add features to a Pokémon that lacks those (like adding details to a Voltorb, which inevitably will increase the sprite size).

But if you make a Voltorb custom base (whose official sprite is 30x30) and the size of it is 60x60 then there's a big problem.

[young plover]

assuming their body makes up the bulk of that, anyway

[viscid helm]

there def is a problem with scaling on a lot of sprites, particularly when making from scratch or when creating bases. the only pokemon that come even close to taking up the whole square are big legendaries

[arctic garnet]

This annoying trend is why I have a tendency to do the whole evo chart for a fusion

[young plover]

and tyrantrum and wailord i'd figure? i remember tyrantrum being fairly close from my work with them

[wary canopy]

making customs for the tinier guys is a lot of fun i think tbh it definitely took me a bit to figure out how to do like, ralts customs that are readable while also being ralts size but its a nice challenge and very satisfying to pull off right

[viscid helm]

tyrantrum never had an official sprite, so there's not much to go off.

[livid tulip]

Sometimes the Pokémon, according their anatomy, will reach the 96 pixels, but only if the pose forces it to reach that. In the end the body, limbs and head should respect the original sizes, maybe taking some small difference if you want to give it according to the head Pokémon, but not entirely necessary actually

[young plover]

oh ok. i thought we meant official infinite fusion sprites

[dense jackal]

I don't like making big sprites because it takes me too long to iterate the poses, and shapes, and shadows at that scale.
Little friends only for me please

[livid tulip]

For example, no matter Exeggcute are small individuals. If the custom base gives them more dynamism (like make them jumping in different directions) the sprite will increase the sizing, no matter the eggs keep their original size

In summary:

No idea why the text was cropped but whatever

[young plover]

oh i see

im sure people just know it says OG and Custom given context clues and the amount of them that show :) there we go

[dense jackal]

Is that the real fat pikachu™️ 😮

[young plover]

gigantamax!

someone gonna look at this out of context and think they hate all of the gigantamax fusions lol

[cloud solstice]

Sometimes when I do big pokemons I end up making them smaller to fit on this #1051343819314053160 message is that ok

[dawn arch]

Jk obviously it's okay if it's not too much

in fact i tend to make everything smaller myself

unnecesarily

[silver merlin]

counterargument: they made a gmax pikachu custom

[young plover]

i'm a prophet

[cloud solstice]

Is it for Pikachu self-fusion?

[young plover]

it's a stretch but i AM a prophet

[young plover]

also yes, one of their self-fusion sprites

[torn dawn]

Pokémon Mystery Luncheon when?

[cloud solstice]

New eveelution confirmed?

What would be the type

[civic mauve]

Wait, are you making lunch for Pokémon or out of Pokémon?

[dense jackal]

Congratulations to the nosepass(?)/tyrantrum fusion for winning the most controversial contest entry!
(Sprite that the judges disagreed on the most)

[gleaming sand]

just because it's a reference?

damn

cringe judges

[dense jackal]

it is? 😛

[wind matrix]

it's a refrence?

[cloud solstice]

Wait you can see that?

[livid tulip]

Where it is from

[heady moat]

Looks like it's a reference to Anjanath, from Monster Hunter:

If that's the intention, it's a very subtle reference!

[dense jackal]

Make a copy of the spreadsheet and you can do whatever you like with it 😛
(Including adding a column for standard deviation)

[gleaming sand]

yeah

anjanath from MH

[civic mauve]

Why was the Mime Jr controversial? I loved that one personally. Is it just because Mime Jr?

[heady moat]

Don't you need access to the individual voter scores for that?

[wind matrix]

I don't know monster hunter lol

[hearty wagon]

I'm a MAJOR monster hunter fan and even I didn't see the reference right away

[gleaming sand]

cringe

[hearty wagon]

Thats like the perfect kind of reference sprite, when the reference does NOT come before the fusion's readability

[heady moat]

It's a really good reference sprite, since it's barely a reference and more just takes inspiration

Oh, beat me to it lol

[gleaming sand]

[wind matrix]

🇺

[wind matrix]

I feel like they coulda done better with the readability 😅

[gleaming sand]

it's pretty damn readable imo

[crisp cargo]

it's not that subtle if you're aware enough of monster hunter

[crisp cargo]

this one isn't subtle at all

[gleaming sand]

but you can easily tell what the fused mons are

i think

[hearty wagon]

Well like the only thing I really SEE is the Anjanath's nose, which is totally appropriate for a nosepass fusion

[wind matrix]

nosepasses nose doesn't look like that tho

[hearty wagon]

It def doesn't but, that's an elegant way of trying to make a big cartoon rock nose look good on a T-rex. Its still big and rocky, just more reptilian

[gleaming sand]

oh no, this part isn't exactly identical to the original!

what will we do!

[livid tulip]

Interesting. I saw my entry had a lot of 5, 4 and 3, and only one 2. It would be cool to know their thoughts but I guess it will be impossible

[wind matrix]

harass us staff until we tell you (I think I gave you a 5)

[cloud pulsar]

whats this

[gleaming sand]

hey staff

when can we expect results

[silver merlin]

never

we hate you

:333

[wind matrix]

soon TM

[gleaming sand]

meloetta/rotom

[gleaming sand]

thank you Kat

[wind matrix]

looks like rotom head. and I thought it was kirlia lol

[gleaming sand]

when the supposed kirlia fusion doesn't have a single kirlia detail but has speakers (meloetta's whole theme is music)

[livid tulip]

I mean, considering that probably that vote was a decisive one being the only one below the half note, getting their feedback probably helps me to make a better work next time.
Or probably it was just a subjective reason that I cannot change, who knows. 😔

[hearty wagon]

I lowkey hope we do NOT get meloetta, gardevoir's done enough psychic damage to us all

[wind matrix]

meloetta doesn't exist

[gleaming sand]

can't wait to place last

[gleaming sand]

god you're so wrong

have you seen me and Egg's sprites?

[livid tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/noooooo-depression-meme-spiderman-gif-19814282

[gleaming sand]

smh

[hearty wagon]

hiss

[heady moat]

Most Meloetta sprites I've seen look like cosplays rather than fusions imo

[wind matrix]

was that a pun?

[gleaming sand]

no, you're just crazy

take your meds

[hearty wagon]

oh yeah I totally meant to do dat

[gleaming sand]

hey staff

have you guys started voting?

[wind matrix]

that's a good reason to not add her in

[dense jackal]

Copy the sheet, and you can access the page that does
(Still anonymous scores though, thankfully)

[wind matrix]

we have! I finished

[gleaming sand]

super based

i bet you gave me 0

[raven pulsar]

a self fusion contest would be fun someday

[wind matrix]

I did give out more 0s this time around

[gleaming sand]

it's joever

[wind matrix]

who?

[gleaming sand]

it's so joever

we're never coming barack

[wind matrix]

I think we did that once?

[wind matrix]

I'm lost. I don't understand polital jokes

[dense jackal]

I'm not confident in doing well, but I'm confident in no 0's at the least 😛

[silver merlin]

yeah in 2020 LOL

[gleaming sand]

it's not political, it's just using president names as replacements for other words

because they're similar

you ruined the joke smh

[wind matrix]

yr similar

[gleaming sand]

joe/over

joever

back/barack

[wind matrix]

[raven pulsar]

the joeke is joever

[dense jackal]

Maybe. But someone will be biden their time until it comes back

[livid tulip]

I remember when I was dealing with people who wanted Marshadow for the "Hollow Knight references" and Buzzwole for the "Senator Armstrong references" 😭

[gleaming sand]

so much potential

one sprite

[livid tulip]

For real

[thick harness]

I changed my mythical choice from Meloetta to Cresselia after seeing all the reference fusions people wanted her for 😂

[ashen sapphire]

I like making references but "lol I could make a bunch of references to (specific media)" is not a good reason to choose a Pokemon...

[wary canopy]

the only reason ive seen people mention meloetta at all is for reference fusions, which is... something 😭

[heady moat]

That's why Meloetta is a 1 for me

[gleaming sand]

so many bad takes ong

[ashen sapphire]

nah: wanting meloetta for reference fusions
yeah: wanting meloetta so you can put sheet music line patterning on things

[livid tulip]

Worst part is that you don't know the number of people with that bad take. Because they can be a lot aka getting in the game

[gleaming sand]

what the hell is cresselia's point even
and don't say to complete the duo. there's a reason they didn't add both from the get-go

[heady moat]

Moon theming!

[thick jolt]

moon, ribbons etc

[thick harness]

Pretty colours

[thick jolt]

its a cool mon i like it

[gleaming sand]

eh

[wind matrix]

literally only to complete the duo

[gleaming sand]

music wins over moon imo

[thick jolt]

its body leaves a bit to be desired but i could see some cool head fusions

[ashen sapphire]

meloetta head would be fun specifically for the color scheme and sheet music patterning, with 2 different and very nice color scheme options

meloetta body would turn into another waifu reference overload

[gleaming sand]

i can't see a single cool fusion with cresselia

[gleaming sand]

BUT THEY LOOK SO COOL

[wary canopy]

ive done one cresselia head and it was a ton of fun tbh, the colors are very nice

[wind matrix]

banana peel head

[wary canopy]

(well ive done three but it was a single evo line)

[thick harness]

I mean you can make cool fusions out of any mon, even if patrat got added people would find a way to make something cool out of it

[livid tulip]

I have my Meloetta fusion design in mind and I think it could be really fun, but I'm not accepting the idea of adding Meloetta for the references alone

[thick jolt]

i must admit its a little weird

[heady moat]

They're sick sprites, but none of those evven use the heads of the pokemon they supposedly fuse with

[wind matrix]

it's gardivore all over again

[thick jolt]

gardi what

[gleaming sand]

but with music

[ashen sapphire]

canceled on account of friday night funkin reference

[wind matrix]

shush 😂

[wary canopy]

tbh all meloetta bodies ive seen look gorgeous! ...but they also all couldve been kirlia sprites with just some very minor edits, and i think thats my main issue with it besides the obvious reference point

[gleaming sand]

i made it simply because Egg drew it. never even played the game

[thick jolt]

i still rlly want crustle in

we dont have a square mon in, so even just for that

but also i love crustle

[gleaming sand]

how, kirlia has a skirt and head spikes

NONE of those sprites has any of those two things

[ashen sapphire]

if it was possible to have a pokemon in where it can only be used for head fusions I'd be like hell yeah bring meloetta in for that

:)

[gleaming sand]

doesn't matter, voting's almost closed anyways

[ashen sapphire]

anyways I"d rather have necrozma and stakataka

[gleaming sand]

vote for the most forgotten mythical ever, a pigeon and a literal trash bag

ffs

[livid tulip]

Vote for Dhelmise or I will crush you

[wind matrix]

with the minor edits they mentioned

[gleaming sand]

i did

[cloud solstice]

Necrozma and cresselia are my most fav for the vote

[raven pulsar]

id rather have trubbish over most of the ultra beasts

[wary canopy]

the dress type is changed all the time for the gardevoir line (and most of the meloetta fusions dont look 1 to 1 w meloettas dress either so thast the same case there) , and the spikes are also not on every fusion for it + can very easily be slapped on top. like thats a minor edit if ive ever heard one :')
either way i feel like this is getting weirdly heated

[gleaming sand]

minor edits being removing kirlia's only defining details

[livid tulip]

That's the propaganda we need: violence. Tons of violence

[heady moat]

Garbodor is sick and SHOULD be in

[wary canopy]

trubbish actually has some fun sprites ive seen so far i like it

[gleaming sand]

it's a trash bag

[raven pulsar]

youre

[gleaming sand]

[thick harness]

Yeah I'd be happy if trubbish got in; not an active choice but it has a lot of fun fusions

[livid tulip]

Do you know what Pokémon would be fun to add too? Popplio and its line. Add them. In fact, add Alolan starters

[thick jolt]

i left this chat and could not for the life of me figure out which ine we were in

why are we talking in contest general

[gleaming sand]

no

[raven pulsar]

you know what else is trash? ultra beasts

[wind matrix]

skill issue

[gleaming sand]

passing time until the results

[thick harness]

This is clearly all related to the snorunt contest

[thick jolt]

so true

next contest when

[livid tulip]

Cryogonal should be in too. I think it's the ice type with more potential in both head and body right now after the Snorunt line

[gleaming sand]

nahhhh what

it's a snowflake

[raven pulsar]

cryagolnal confuses me

[gleaming sand]

literally just a snowflake

[raven pulsar]

dedign wise

[thick jolt]

i actually think i don’t care about anything but crustle getting in atm

[cloud solstice]

Maybe not another ice type right after the snorunt line

[cloud pulsar]

cryogonal is like starmie

i dont want em

[thick jolt]

i know i wanted something else but i don’t remember

[raven pulsar]

starmie is cool

[gleaming sand]

cryogonal is one of the worst pokemon designs i have ever seen

[livid tulip]

Ice statues as head Pokémon
Masks as body Pokémon

[wary canopy]

id love to see some cryogonal sprites since ive seen it mentioned a couple times as a choice but i genuinely have no ideas at all on how id use it

[gleaming sand]

simply because it's weird

[crude cedar]

Crustle potential is infinite

[thick jolt]

i cant wait for crustle heads where its just a rock statue of the mon with a crustle at the bottom

[wind matrix]

How can you say that when sunflora is right there

[livid tulip]

Ice statues as head Pokémon
Masks as body Pokémon

[gleaming sand]

just because you can make something, doesn't mean people will want to, or that it's a good point

[cloud pulsar]

the worst pokemon design is pyukumuku

[raven pulsar]

noo

[gleaming sand]

ice statues? who the hell ever wanted to make ice statues

[wind matrix]

FACTUALLY INCORRECT

[raven pulsar]

its just a little guy

[crude cedar]

Froslass

[raven pulsar]

how csn you hate puke urchin

[fleet crown]

That's a strange way to spell Luvdisc.

[cloud pulsar]

snom gang

[wary canopy]

ice statues could be cool but im mainly just imagining a barrage of sprites thats regular base sprites except recolored in blue kshdfjksd

[gleaming sand]

that's also a weird way to spell luvdisc

[raven pulsar]

slash sea cicumber

[gleaming sand]

[wind matrix]

at least luvdisc is more creative then a generic clipart

[livid tulip]

Oh yeah, better put a random Pokémon that has zero potential in just because it's more popular, sure that would be a better choice

[gleaming sand]

that being?

[wind matrix]

snom and pyuku are friends

[gleaming sand]

also, cryogonal is NOT popular, NOT cool and ZERO potential

[crude cedar]

And pincurchin

[fleet crown]

Luvdisc is an artist just going "Fuck it, here's a heart with eyes. I'm quitting my job. Screw all yall."

[crude cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/pincurchin-kc-amber-pokemon-gif-25696297

[wind matrix]

you're only right on one account

[livid tulip]

Factually wrong. I could prove it

[thick harness]

I'm pretty sure ice is cool 🧊

[raven pulsar]

fun fact pyukumuku throwing up its guts is based off a sea cucumber exept sea cucumbers actually shoot their intestines out of their anus

[gleaming sand]

no thank you

[gleaming sand]

not popular?

[livid tulip]

Why? Scared of being wrong?

[wind matrix]

is not pupular ye lol

[cloud solstice]

It's cool

[cloud pulsar]

snom is so much cooler to hang out with pyuku

sorry

[gleaming sand]

nah, don't really care. i know it's a lame design

[heady moat]

Cryogonal has an abstract enough design that it would work REALLY WELL for head fusions

[wary canopy]

i for one would love to see a merum cryogonal sprite

[wind matrix]

don't be mean to snom's friend

[livid tulip]

Also the lighting eyes can give it a creepy aura

[cloud solstice]

Tbh I don't know how I would fuse crygonal, but that doesn't mean other can't

[crude cedar]

Just saying

[livid tulip]

You probably would get inspiration if you see some fusions

[gleaming sand]

i wouldn't touch cryogonal with a 6ft pole

ain't ever spriting that things

not like it'll ever make it

[wind matrix]

is the gang!

[raven pulsar]

what even is cryagonals name... crystal + diagonal?

[crude cedar]

The butt shaped face gang

[cloud solstice]

Hexagonal I think

[heady moat]

Besides, it's all about Tropius, bay-beeee

[raven pulsar]

oh

[civic mauve]

Cryogonal has neat geometric patterns, glowing spheres, ice texture, and snowflake theming. It's not my favorite, but as a 1 stage ice type I rated it higher than I would have otherwise

[raven pulsar]

TROPIUS i love tropius

[crude cedar]

Cryo + Hexagonal probably. Since Cryo means Ice

[thick jolt]

hey guys say hello to crustle/gardevoir

[crude cedar]

Infinite potential, that's what I am saying

Lol

[wind matrix]

has never heard of cryonis

[cloud solstice]

In french it's called hexagel so we have the other half

[wind matrix]

pls no

[livid tulip]

Cryogonal is probably cryo and hexagonal

[thick harness]

Cryonis? Isn't that the ability from Zelda

[civic mauve]

Crustle would be fun for different rock/shell fusions. You could put them in all kinds of things ^^

[gleaming sand]

it's cryo + hexagonal

[crude cedar]

Just like what I said

[civic mauve]

Not my top pick, but I wouldn't be mad if it got in

[crude cedar]

If I'm being honest, I'm hoping that Gourgeist gets in. Not only because of Favorites, but because we can make Fusions have Closer Themes to Halloween Stuff

[civic mauve]

Gourgeist is nice since both stages are very different. Plus you could make the fusions whatever size you want and no one can complain

[livid tulip]

Pain

It's like adding Palossand and make the same but sandy

[wary canopy]

halloween fusions WOULD be super neat Im hoping for diancie solely for the super pink princess fusions haha

[civic mauve]

Cacnea/Cacturne could also work for halloweeny fusions since Cacnea's got a pumpkin face and Cacturne's a creepy scarecrow/cowboy

[crude cedar]

And since Gourgeist is Primary Ghost, then there won't be many other Grass-Type Fusions born from it

[thick harness]

I'm hoping for Slurpuff personally for cute sweet fusions

[livid tulip]

Add Bruxish

[wary canopy]

oh right i need to finish my slurpuff fusion

[gleaming sand]

i'm hoping for the contest results

[livid tulip]

That would be funnier

[gleaming sand]

[civic mauve]

Another great two stage for candy and dessert themed fusions. Plus it's another way to get access to fruits

[livid tulip]

@ chardub add Bruxish

[crude cedar]

And I'm saying this since I've heard some Complaints about "there's too many Grass-Types in Infinite Fusion" or something

[cloud solstice]

Mimikyu and gourgeist would make good Halloween themed teams

[crude cedar]

Like slurpuff would be a good food themed Pokémon since we have none atm right?

[crisp cargo]

wait is tropius on the list

tropius could be so cool for fusions...

[thick harness]

Pumpkaboo + Slurpuff = Halloween Candy

[cloud solstice]

Let's not start the what Pokemon are edible debacle again

[crude cedar]

Lol right 😂

[wary canopy]

technically miltank can be food themed too but its a bit more .. limited 😔
slurpuff food themeing better

[thick harness]

Miltank is also rather... cursed

[civic mauve]

Technically any if you're brave enough. Though some you can only eat once

[crude cedar]

I mean... What constitutes as Food? Because we technically have Magikarp

[livid tulip]

Miltank could had had normal fusions if Miltank team wouldn't decided to make them all based on udders instead on Miltank

[crude cedar]

But yeah, I'd be fine if Slurpuff gets in. But only after getting Gourgeist in First.

[hearty wagon]

Miltank is one of those im just never gonna make a fusion of. Aint gonna happen

[wary canopy]

miltank is genuinely super fun to sprite for alas no one wants to be the change they want to see in the world 😔

[livid tulip]

Miltank fusions are an example of how disrespect blatantly a Pokémon

[livid tulip]

I want to. I even have plans to make a new Miltank fusion that it's more normal

[hearty wagon]

I WOULD be the change but the comments would flood with milk jokes if I did. "NOT ENOUGH MILK" they would say

[wary canopy]

oh, exciting! ill look forward to em them

also no not really tbh

as someone whos done a bunch of regular miltanks by now fhsdjfs

[hearty wagon]

well thats my fear anyway

[crude cedar]

In any case, I just want Gourgeist to get in. It's one of my Favorites, and it can bring a Ton to the Table of Design Potential.

[hearty wagon]

I would actually love some pumpkin fusions, they'd be so cute :p

[crude cedar]

Not just Pumpkin, you could also make Halloween Themed Fusions and more.

So for my Alliance, I'm trying to get Ghost/Grass and Grass/Ghost Pokemon in through being Voted as 2s or 3s. So that Gourgeist can hopefully get in, and to also have a chance at getting Dhelmise and Trevenant in too

[wraith notch]

I would love to see the Goomy line in this game.

[crude cedar]

I'm not trying to purposely use Propaganda or anything yet. I'm just asking Nicely if people want to help. Because I'd rather let people make their own Decisions than forcefully influence them through said Propaganda

[crude cedar]

And eh... I'm fine with Goodra if my Favorite gets in

[undone crag]

I’ve been fighting for Gastrodon since day 1 personally. Just not sure if it’ll be enough or not. Making memes has been fun at least for it.

[torn dawn]

It’s a mystery ;)

[grand tusk]

can't disrespect a pokemon if its lame and boring and uncool

[cloud solstice]

I wonder how many mini-contests will be done, I doubt they do it for all the added lines

[dense jackal]

It does seem a little full-on for the staff

[crude cedar]

Hm... Didn't they make more Requests/Slots for New Sprite Managers to be Chosen out of the Google Form...?

[cloud solstice]

Yeah but if they do a contest for each addition there will be at least 4-5 contests

[gleaming sand]

6 slots out of 20 ish used

i expect about 5 yeah

Or not

[dense jackal]

Anywhere from 5 to 14 potential reveals, right?

[gleaming sand]

Definitely not 14 lol

Probably 5-8

[plucky arch]

well the next contest will be 6 pokemon

thats right

the elemental monkeys

[thick jolt]

there aint no way

[dense jackal]

If there aren't fewer than 14 single stage mons in the poll, 14 is the upper limit 😛

[crude cedar]

No. Nobody is voting for them.

[plucky arch]

that you know of

[spring hull]

Ban the elemental monkeys from votings

[raven pulsar]

say sike

[silver solar]

Pretty sure they will

The point of the contests is encouraging people to make sprites for the new ones so they have customs when they’re added

[dawn prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/gangnam-style-abacate-regieleki-gif-25104996

[livid tulip]

YEEEEEEEEEES LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOO

DON'T

[young plover]

as someone who likes references and bloons and thus would thrive with more monkeys to work with
NEVER. NEVER ELEMENTAL MONKEYS. NO ELEMENTAL MONKEYS.

[spring hull]

Good

[cloud pulsar]

i will leave IF if we waste our slots in the fucking elemental monkeys

[dawn prairie]

can you feel your heart burning? can you feel the struggle within?
the fear within me is beyond anything your soul can make. you cannot vote me out in a way that matters

[floral valve]

Pretty sure I've heard Simisear was last place of all pokemon in some contest a few years back.

There is no way that thing's gonna win anything

[lunar comet]

why waste 6 slots on 2 pokemon smh

[crisp cargo]

as far as i'm concerned it's 6 slots on 0 pokemon

the monkeys offer 0 cool new design value

[viscid helm]

i think pansage is cute... that's about it

[slow gyro]

I want Torkoal to do my triple tortoise fusion

[undone crag]

If gastro got in I’d really really want torkoal to fuse with it. Still think torkoal would be cool regardless tho tbh.

[gleaming sand]

It's been 15 hours and a half since the end of the contest

Still no results

[spring hull]

https://tenor.com/view/yoshi-mario-mario-yoshi-yoshi-mario-when-gif-26447311

[slow gyro]

New Mon when?

[quartz locust]

Why is everyone talking about the vote outside of #pif-hoenn-discussion?

[dense jackal]

PIF: Containment Breach

[civic mauve]

I think it's because votes discussion is a lot of non-spriters who have different takes on what they want as opposed to spriters. Actually you did a poll on that right? Were the results different? Not that you can give specifics I'm guessing ^^;

[sturdy mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/waiting-gif-23395435

[gusty frost]

i take him over the regis anyday

[rough talon]

take a shot how many times this gif gets sent in this channel

and you'll probably be dead

[civic mauve]

Regis are half the slots and I still don't particularly want them (tho I still prefer them to the monkeys)

[dreamy tartan]

for the love of arceus dont jinx it

[dreamy tartan]

to be honest the regis are not only different types but they are also different designs alongside being special legendaries to the ice, rock and well... steel has a bunch of other ones but back in the day registeel was special

i actually much prefer the regis over the swords of justice

i mean

look at the regis

they look like fusion material

meanwhile with the swords of justice only about virizion is fusion material, the other two are a bit... i dont know... bland

honestly even when i found cobalion back when black was fresh i was pretty dissapointed

and yes i support stakataka and kartana

i changed my mind after thinking of potential

[civic mauve]

The Regi's bodies are all pretty similar in shape, especially since we already have Regigigas. While they work well as head material, you can get similar effects just from using other pokemon w/ the same types

[dreamy tartan]

true

like golem instead of regirock or steelix or kling instead of registeel

i gave them like a mid vote because of that

like they are kinda there but not quite

i think only regice has the special appearance out of the tree since its all ice and nothing else

no fluff, no fur, no feathers nothing just ice

like articuno comes close but its still feathers

[civic mauve]

True, tho I think Avalugg works better for that and it's only the 2 slots. Cryogonal wouldn't be bad for it either tho and it's only 1

[dreamy tartan]

oh yeah, thats true

hmmm i should change my vote on that one maybe

but ice types that look crystal ice you can count them with your finger

[median wasp]

Where are we supposed to be able to see and vote on the sprites?

[civic mauve]

Yeah I actually went back just yesterday and realized my opinion had changed on a lot of them which was interesting to see ^^

[dreamy tartan]

oh we are talking about the voting for which will make it

[civic mauve]

#announcements message

[dreamy tartan]

yeah thats true! i am gonna have to the thing again lol

there we go, avalugg upgraded to mid lol

regis downgrade to obsolete

to be honest if i was forced to pick only regice i would give it max

i actually love that thing how it looks and how uncanny it feels

like regice doesnt walk, it slides accross the ground

[civic mauve]

Yeah I'd probably rate it pretty highly. As it is tho, I think 2 slots are already hard enough to justify tho

[dreamy tartan]

yep, i feel bad for regice, but thats too big a sacrifice he is asking for

like there is ice pokemon in that list that have 1 to 2 stages that feel good, and there is three stages like walrein which i personally love, and vanilluxe which

just fuse miltank with an ice pokemon if you want icecream so badly

[civic mauve]

I think Slurpuff works pretty well as a food mon actually. It covers a lot of the same ground as the Vanilluxe line, and can even work as a knockoff Tropius fruit-wise

[dreamy tartan]

hmmm thats true, plus its two stages...

ok so slurpuff upgrade

is not my top pick out of the two fairy lines of kalos but it will do

[civic mauve]

Plus the different color palettes and body shapes means both mons have value

[silver solar]

I want the regis because it feels weird not to have them but to have gigas, but i dont want the slots

[dreamy tartan]

true true

[dreamy tartan]

it is three slots

it would be fine if we just had something called

multiregi

[civic mauve]

It could be good for the contest slots tho

[dreamy tartan]

and just put all of them in one

like with lycaroc

unfortunately thats impossibke

[silver solar]

I wouldn’t want them to be added as 3 of the ~20

[dreamy tartan]

yup

thats the thing

20 is a very limited number

you have to savagely pick carefully

[silver solar]

I use ~ because I’m sure it could be 21 or 22 depending on how staff feels and the last evo line

[dreamy tartan]

btw since tyrantrum and snorunt were revealed how many do we have left

[silver solar]

14

[dreamy tartan]

huh

ok tyrantrum is 2 slots, snorunt 3

[silver solar]

Venipede didn’t count

[dreamy tartan]

sableye did?

[plucky arch]

yea

[dreamy tartan]

welp

[plucky arch]

i believe

[silver solar]

I wish it didn’t

[civic mauve]

I mean, you can kind of do this w/ Regigigas anyways

[plucky arch]

its 1 slot

[dreamy tartan]

true...

hmmm

[plucky arch]

and now it finally matches mawile

[silver solar]

Because the votes didn’t really matter for sableye

[civic mauve]

Red O.o

[dreamy tartan]

well atleast scolipede didnt count lol

imagine 3 slots gone just like that

i love it

[plucky arch]

red?

[dreamy tartan]

but come on lol

[civic mauve]

Your name ^^

[errant yarrow]

I like scolipede because it gave me Gigaweedle

[plucky arch]

its definitely orange

[dreamy tartan]

it is orange

[civic mauve]

I keep forgetting to turn night light off on my devices...

[silver solar]

My only annoyance with sableye is it counts for the 20 and was revealed too fast for the votes to have really mattered. Also i think it was guaranteed before the votes anyway

[errant yarrow]

wasnt it after a few days? there was a lot of hype for sableye before the announcement

[silver solar]

Nope

I checked

[vital stirrup]

well it would've gotten in anyway

[civic mauve]

It makes everything warmer (redder) to reduce eyestrain but it occasionally screws up my colors ^^;

[silver solar]

1pm to 11am

[errant yarrow]

huh

it felt like a few days

but yeah you are right

[plucky arch]

yea ngl i bet sableye was guaranteed no matter what

[vital stirrup]

plus the votes are more a guideline for the mods to use to inform which mons they choose

[plucky arch]

people have been wanting it for YEARS

if votes were 100% accurate, itd just be starters, or legends

[heady moat]

Sableye was announced nearly a full day after votes started

I think that's enough time to tell it was running away with votes

[silver solar]

I think the starters were the ones running away lol

[sturdy mulch]

Hmm, once

[silver solar]

But no, I’m pretty sure a mod mentioned it was guaranteed already as someone specifics pick

[vital stirrup]

yeah they let the guy who fixed the code choose a mon and sableye was it

[silver solar]

Thats a fair reward but tbh, they deserved more pick

[heady moat]

Also tbf, we're not guaranteed exactly 20 Pokemon anyway - The announcement said "Keep in mind that only 20 Pokémon or so will be added"

[civic mauve]

I'm pretty happy w/ all the picks so far. Venipede would've been rough if it actually cost 3 slots but as a freebie it's pretty nice. And while Tyrunt wasn't one of my top picks I have always had a soft spot for it

[silver solar]

Like, they deserved 3, either an evo line, 3 single stage, or a 2 stage and a single stage

I just know the ones i want most seem unlikely

[plucky arch]

1 line pick is good enough id say, giving more is a lot of power to one man

[civic mauve]

I figure we'll probably hit 20 anyways just because of the staff/contest picks

[silver solar]

Because, skitty and glameow are just gonna be seen as useless when we have meowth. And who cares about purrloin (i do)

[heady moat]

Yeah, I mostly bring that up in regards to "X Pokemon takes up a slot!" - There's not an exact number of set slots to begin with it sounds like

[plucky arch]

because they are

[civic mauve]

Glameow's actually not a bad choice imo. Both forms have very different body types and the spring tails could be fun

[silver solar]

Skitty has cat toy tail and is adorable and also dominates in mystery dungeon

[heady moat]

Love Skitty and Delcatty - They'd give use an alternate, more sleek cat option to Persian, who is surprisingly bulky

[plucky arch]

well tbf this isnt mystery dungeon

[sly hatch]

I care about the purrloin line :(

[silver solar]

Persian is a cougar, thats why

[silver solar]

I do too but I’m also afraid we’ll get bipedal purrloin all the time

[sly hatch]

(admittedly biased bc I found a full odds shiny liepard in B2 before elesa and Panther really helped against Shauntal)

I hate that they made purrloin bipedal

[dreamy tartan]

oh panther is awesome

[civic mauve]

Skitty has been one of my favorite mons ever since I first got it in PMD while taking the quiz legitimately. I gave it a 1 for the cat toy/pincushion tail but I didn't feel like I could justify a higher number

[dreamy tartan]

you tell me liepard and i'll tell you its what glammeow should have been

[silver solar]

Nah, purugly is fine

[dreamy tartan]

purugly is as its name states

ugly

[civic mauve]

Actually the fact that it can do both is a point in its favor imo. Tho I also prefer it w/ four legs

[civic mauve]

Yes, that's why it's good. Same as Bruxish

[dreamy tartan]

i mean

[silver solar]

I hate that theyve used it basically exclusively as a biped

[dreamy tartan]

i give skitty my vote more on that front lol

[sly hatch]

I mean it was somewhat obvious since a black panther is in fact always just a different color of a big cat, usually a leopard

[silver solar]

Purugly is using the tail as a corset because people calling it ugly makes it want to recapture the love from yourh

[civic mauve]

I love that Glameow's a reverse Feebas. Finally a mon for those of us who like the weird ones xD

[dreamy tartan]

yeah but i think more on fusion front

[sly hatch]

It is neat that purrloin can do both bipedal and quadriped I wish more pokemon did that

[dreamy tartan]

like what people are gonna make tons of grumpy cats?

[civic mauve]

Meowth

[silver solar]

Liepard isnt a panther

[sly hatch]

COUGH COUGH COUGH MEOWTH

[silver solar]

Persian is

[dreamy tartan]

its not wrong

to be fair

[crisp cargo]

me seeing a bunch of people turn porygon-z into a bunch of dumb references: haha yeah wouldn't that be messed up

[silver solar]

Liepard is a leopard, not a jaguar

[dreamy tartan]

you know its gonna happen

[civic mauve]

Liepard is just too similar in body shape to Persian imo

[silver solar]

Nope, sleek

Also dark type

[dreamy tartan]

although we already have meowth and persian for that

[sly hatch]

A differently colored leopard is called a panther. I called my shiny liepard panther

[crisp cargo]

it. it's not??? like at all????

[heady moat]

My favorite Pokemon is Porygon. So...much...Minecraft

[dreamy tartan]

like you dont need purugly to make persian look like a grumpy cat

[sly hatch]

because it is a leopard that is a different color

[silver solar]

Yes but that’s because people thought melanistic jaguars and leopards were a different species

Also panther as a species refers ro the cougar, the puma, the mountain lion

The cat of many names

[dreamy tartan]

jaguars are stuck on one side of the planet how did people get that wrong?

liepard honestly looks more like a leopard

it isnt quite bulky or has the crazy jaw either

[sly hatch]

I know it's a leopard guys

[crisp cargo]

ma, people are overthinking names again

[dreamy tartan]

and its spots look more rectangular than psychedelic circles

[crisp cargo]

liepard = lie + leopard (feline)

because it's a thief

[dreamy tartan]

its also a lie

[silver solar]

We should get a Jaguar pokemon tbh

[crisp cargo]

it's not that deep, fellas

[civic mauve]

They're both elegant looking big cats. While they're a bit different I'd prefer something like Heatmor whose body looks completely different from anything currently in IF

[sly hatch]

I was making a reference to a real world thing with my shiny leopard pokemon

[silver solar]

Jaguars are the most hardcore of big cats

[dreamy tartan]

we should and we havent

i swear if they put jaguars in an indian based game

[silver solar]

We should also get a black footed cat pokemon

Because they’re the most successful hunters

[plucky arch]

cats are overrated

[silver solar]

They’re the most badass small cat

[sturdy mulch]

Persian looks like a jaguar

[dreamy tartan]

hmmm

[silver solar]

Its a mountain lion

[dreamy tartan]

not quite

[sly hatch]

"A black panther is the melanistic colour variant of the leopard"
color variant of leopard.
color variant of liepard.
I named it panther

[dreamy tartan]

jaguar is a big fatty that has powerful jaws

its ears are also smaller than the other cats

and its spots for camouflage

[silver solar]

I get your name, i was just saying panther as a species, as opposed to as a subset of a species, refers to a small cat

[gleaming sand]

We get it

[civic mauve]

Persian has a body shape that you can make look like most big cats w/ the right head and some creativity

[silver solar]

Because, technically yeah, cougars are small cats

[heady moat]

I honestly don't think they went with a specific big cat for Persian - I think it's just a generic big cat. That's pretty in line with gen 1's design philosophy

[dreamy tartan]

i mean persian is like a blueprint for big cat fusions

[silver solar]

Eh, cougar is the most generic big cat

[dreamy tartan]

its like the starter kit

[plucky arch]

truee

meowth is small cat, persian is big cat

[dreamy tartan]

lol

[silver solar]

Without even being one

[sly hatch]

I have literally never seen someone call a mountain lion/puma/cougar a panther

[dreamy tartan]

i feel like persian is more of a cougar, it is pretty generic in that regard

cougars arent bad, they just look almost the same

[sly hatch]

it's a regional thing to give that animal wildly different names

[silver solar]

Its absolutely a common name

Especially the florida subspecies

[dreamy tartan]

puma

it is the basic name many places yep

[heady moat]

Puma Concolor is my next DnD character name

[dreamy tartan]

that means cougar with colour in spanish

pretty good name though

actually now that i think about it...thats the scientific name is it not?

[heady moat]

It is!

[silver solar]

Yup

[dreamy tartan]

huh

firts time i see spanish words in the scientific name

its usually some weird latin or some other thing

[silver solar]

Might not be spanish, might be same root

Its 99% latin

[dreamy tartan]

might be

[sly hatch]

you know what wildcats we really need as pokemon

[heady moat]

A lot of animals will also just have some person's name or a location

[sly hatch]

pallas cats and bobcats

[dreamy tartan]

stop

[silver solar]

Usually latinized name or location

[dreamy tartan]

i was about to say those weird

what are they called

[silver solar]

Like, they add something to the end to make it sound latin

[dreamy tartan]

the bald cats

[heady moat]

Albertosaurus Sarcophagus is just Alberta Flesh-Eater

[silver solar]

Cheetah, jaguar with a black, dark blue, or dark purple shiny, blck footed cat, sand cat (ground type)

[sturdy mulch]

Zekrom/Persian = electric black panther

[dreamy tartan]

neato

the sphynx cat!

[sly hatch]

we could probably do that with mr mime and meowth

[dreamy tartan]

there is one i always liked called caracal

and apparently africa has the sand cat

[silver solar]

Fun fact, there’s no verified reports of melanistic puma

[dreamy tartan]

pretty original name

[heady moat]

I love their funky ears

[silver solar]

The cat called panther cant be a black panther

[dreamy tartan]

yeah they look funny

[sly hatch]

https://tenor.com/view/caracal-floppy-ear-spin-cat-cute-gif-17775647

these guys are already basically pokemon

[heady moat]

!!!

[sturdy mulch]

Floppy ears

[heady moat]

I had no clue they could do that

[silver solar]

https://tenor.com/view/surprised-cat-omg-wow-wait-what-cute-cat-sand-cat-gif-19243043

Perma kitten

[sturdy mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/rusty-spotted-cat-cat-cute-cat-cute-worlds-smallest-cat-gif-19911750

Smallest cat

[dreamy tartan]

haha the caracal is always such a joy

[silver solar]

https://tenor.com/view/cute-cat-hello-hi-gif-13278060

The most successful hunter

[dense jackal]

Most successful mammalian predator

[silver solar]

They baby

[dreamy tartan]

by the way since i succeeded in my own campaign for a fusion mon and thats over, i am willing to vote for whatever people tell me

[silver solar]

But also they good at hunt

[dreamy tartan]

where do i got to get propaganda bombed

i wanna get brainwashed lol

[silver solar]

No, i rhink thats a fishing cat

That gif at least

Its one of those oddly shaped heads

The weasel cats as i call them

[sturdy mulch]

Give meloetta a 3

[sly hatch]

yes meloetta

[dreamy tartan]

already did

[silver solar]

Then the xyz legends

[dreamy tartan]

to be honest thats a prime one

[silver solar]

Or cressalia

[dreamy tartan]

already

nah

[sly hatch]

https://tenor.com/view/floppa-caracal-angry-flopping-gif-22573853

[dreamy tartan]

while i think cresselia is neat i dont like as much as darkrai

[sly hatch]

I am honestly shocked there is no caracal pokemon yet

[silver solar]

Its the opposite of darkrai tho

[dreamy tartan]

neow

[sly hatch]

have you heard the sound it makes

[dreamy tartan]

yep

[silver solar]

Give it time, we only just got a lynx

[dreamy tartan]

but still neow

i am actually a bit thorn on that actually

[heady moat]

I like Cresselia, I'd prefer it to Meloetta

[dreamy tartan]

i gave a bunch of the humanoid ones a like

[silver solar]

I can accept meowscarada

[dreamy tartan]

i like lilligant, its not the top pick but it does get places

[silver solar]

Iberian lynx baby

[sly hatch]

maybe once we have more humanoids people will stop with the gardevoir side eyes. probably not but a gal can dream

[heady moat]

lol that will never stop

[dreamy tartan]

hey thats my thought too

its why i gave them bunch of 3s

and 2s

[plucky arch]

id argue having more humaniods is just more gardevoirs

[dreamy tartan]

honestly gardevoir is the humanoid mule of the game

[dreamy tartan]

not quite

[sly hatch]

it's a solid choice for a team since it's accessible early game and learns good psychic moves. but no. im not allowed to like it

[heady moat]

I gave most humanoids 1s just because we'd get MORE waifusions

[dreamy tartan]

because people are gonna give you 1000s of different waifus

[silver solar]

Ok but salazzle

She gets a pass

[dreamy tartan]

which are humanoids

salazzle does get a pass

she is not fully humanoid to be waifu all over

plus its 2

[silver solar]

Her lore lol

[dreamy tartan]

true lol

[silver solar]

But also nintendo had to know exactly what they were doing there

[dreamy tartan]

they did

they wanted to make a reverse harem mon

[heady moat]

Gamefreak also gave us Lopunny, so they definitely knew

[dreamy tartan]

which is what salazzle is

[silver solar]

(Well ok, gamefreak not nintendo)

[dreamy tartan]

you cant deny it! you know its true

[silver solar]

Why would i deny it

Her dex entry is right there

[dreamy tartan]

yep

there is no way around it

its the harem pokemon

[civic mauve]

You mentioned already liking Stakataka and Kartana earlier right? Or am I thinking of someone else?

[ashen sapphire]

I love Salazzle

[dreamy tartan]

yep i did

[silver solar]

But also shes a really cool poisonous (as some real life ones are) salamander (legends connect them to fire)

[dreamy tartan]

i am a figment of your imagination too good to be true

[crisp cargo]

i'd say there's a risk of it rather than it being a sure thing (see: froslass)

[ashen sapphire]

A fast poison/fire with solid special offense and a very cool aesthetic? What's not to love?

[heady moat]

You can look at the Meloetta propaganda posts to see that it's guaranteed

[crisp cargo]

i never said it applies to all the humanoid mons

[silver solar]

And really cool reasons to have been inspired to be both types

[civic mauve]

In that case, are there any pokemon that you dislike? I like a lot of the weird ones and am willing to shill for them since sometimes I find new favorites that way. Other times I draw a complete blank tho

[sly hatch]

okay so maybe I want hatsune miku in a pokemon game

[ashen sapphire]

"the fact that salazzle dies in one hit" just go first and don't get hit :)

[dreamy tartan]

alrite

lets seeeeeee

[crisp cargo]

honestly my issue is more "what unique design cues does mon x bring"

[civic mauve]

Deoxys/Gardevoir is Miku right?

[silver solar]

The meowscarada strategy

[dreamy tartan]

yep

[crisp cargo]

meloetta brings uhhhhh sound i guess, but exploud line does that and better

god fuck i want a one man band porygon-z/exploud

[ashen sapphire]

given this, I support lurantis because:
pinstripes
pants
an alternative to mantis claws that isn't scyther and is fully evolved

[sturdy mulch]

Meloetta for musical fusions

[crisp cargo]

there's also the whole "fake bug" deal they got going on

[ashen sapphire]

yeah!

[dreamy tartan]

i do support lurantis

[crisp cargo]

i think that has a lot of potential

[civic mauve]

Chatot, Exploud, and Meleotta. Exploud's my favorite of the bunch, but I'd only want it as a contest pick

[dreamy tartan]

exploud its my pick

i like it

its a sound mon and it looks awesome

3 stages though, but worth it

i actually now wish stoutland was 2

[civic mauve]

Kabutops also has the scythes. Tho Lurantis still has some stuff going for it still ^^

[dreamy tartan]

lurantis has a nice palette, a nice fancy design

gives me froslass vibes for potential

[heady moat]

Lurantis has one of my favorite color pallettes ever

[dreamy tartan]

it is very pleasing to the eye

[silver solar]

Yeah but i think other things could be better than lirantis

For the slots

[dreamy tartan]

like what?

[crisp cargo]

i haven't really looked at all the options so i can't say what i'd want

[civic mauve]

Lurantis actually moved down a bit for me now that Froslass is in, I wouldn't be mad if it gets in tho

[sturdy mulch]

I gave exploud line a 0, low potential, 3 slots is just too much

[heady moat]

It's not in my top 20, but I would be happy if it got in

[silver solar]

Froslass, we really needed more ice

[dreamy tartan]

thats true imma have to make a notepad for this lol

[silver solar]

Now we could use dark and fairy

[ashen sapphire]

also: Ribombee

[crisp cargo]

i'm just gonna be along for the ride and make flareons when i can

[silver solar]

and fighting but fuck fighting

[ashen sapphire]

Ribombee would give us another good fairy type

[dreamy tartan]

great minds think alike

i had to campaign hard for it

[silver solar]

The problem with fighting is most of them have similar themes. Theres the komo-o line but we’re already over saturated on dragon

[dreamy tartan]

ok

[civic mauve]

I'm a big fan of most of the UBs, For other stage 1s off the top of my head I'd choose Dhelmise, Heatmor, and Bruxish. Slurpuff's also pretty high just since we don't have a good food mon outside of Miltank rn

[dreamy tartan]

that one i give a 0

and i am not moving from that

[heady moat]

I did not care for the Snorunt line, but doing fusions with them really turned me around on them

[silver solar]

Snorunt is my boyfriend’s favorite

[dreamy tartan]

awesome right?

[silver solar]

So, thats part of why i was pushing for them as the ice type

[rough talon]

felt this one so bad oh my god

[dreamy tartan]

you get 3 different ones in a single package

[silver solar]

But also, snorunt has the range

[crisp cargo]

honestly i've loved what people have done with glalie and froslass fusions especially

[silver solar]

Yup

[dreamy tartan]

yes it does

[rough talon]

PLEASE dont put tsareena in the game i'm going to SCREAM AND CRY

[heady moat]

Yeah - I love that it's three Pokemon, but each are very different from each other, while still sharing some design elements

[ashen sapphire]

I don't... thiiiink Mienfoo/Mienshao are in the poll but they'd fill the Fighting niche really well

[rough talon]

they are

:)

[silver solar]

They should be

[dreamy tartan]

thats the general criteria for best ideas yea

[rough talon]

same with salazzle and leavanny . Get those motherfuckers out of there !!!!!

[silver solar]

I looked at all the fighting types

[plucky arch]

nah, give us toxicroak

[gleaming sand]

God i NEED the results

[rough talon]

i mean mienfoo/mienshao are good, same with toxicroak

[ashen sapphire]

Toxicroak would be cool too

[crisp cargo]

leavanny would have been fine...

[silver solar]

But also, i may be bias for meinshao

[heady moat]

Toxicroak is the best frog Pokemon they've ever made

[crisp cargo]

people didn't make froslass weird so i can trust people to not make leavanny weird

[silver solar]

Salazzle is a perfect angel who has done nothing wrong

[ashen sapphire]

I like fighting types that are like "martial arts animal" rather than "behold, a man"

[civic mauve]

Leavanny would be fun, but I'd prefer it as the contest winner so we can save on slots

[rough talon]

iiii do not like salazzle's design

[silver solar]

Just uh, ignore all those starving salandit

[ashen sapphire]

well, I do

[plucky arch]

pangoro also works

[rough talon]

it makes me deeply uncomfortable

[crisp cargo]

i don't mind salazzle's design but people are 300% gonna make it weird

[silver solar]

They’re fine, they wanted to give her their food

[random tendon]

can someone fill me in on what we're talking about

[silver solar]

I want salazzle too much ti be afraid of that

Those colors are peak aesthetic to me

[rough talon]

i'd be fine with it if it wasnt like. Kind of explicitly an weird design in both base game and out, making a salamander with a snatched waist is always meant with strange things in mind

[sturdy mulch]

Meinshao + gardevoir = Chun lee

[civic mauve]

Once again, Stakataka wins. I have yet to see anyone lewd the pile of bricks

[silver solar]

I’m ace i aint gonna make it weird

[rough talon]

ultimately

[crisp cargo]

i'm not calling anyone in specific out

[civic mauve]

New mons from the polls and/or contest raffle

[silver solar]

Dont you me

[rough talon]

i dont want to talk about this all that very much

[crisp cargo]

just uh. for the record

[random tendon]

also is that a challenge /j

I'm a diehard Lurantis fan and saw someone mention it so I was like

[rough talon]

i just dislike the humanoids a lot more than anything else, they bring very little to the table

i think if you bring up like, froslass it's insanely different than salazzle

[crisp cargo]

which ones are you calling "the humanoids", ftr

[civic mauve]

No, I'm sure there's someone out there who would. But it seems like a pretty low risk mon for folks who worry about that

[rough talon]

gimmie a sec

[crisp cargo]

because i feel a lot of people have different views on things

like i'd probably put leavanny in the same category as scizor

[heady moat]

I actually really like Meloetta, because the sheet music aesthetic is rad. Except, I know that's not why most people want it

[silver solar]

Pretty fire lizard go brrr, but also i wonder if the heads would be fire or poison

[civic mauve]

Probably Tsareena, Meleotta, and Lilligant for the new ones

[rough talon]

i mean, chatot is there

[crisp cargo]

meloetta i'm kinda "whatever" on because I feel like there's a couple of mons that can do the sound thing just as good if not better

also meloetta's shape is an absolute pain in the ass to work with sprite-wise

stick figure-lookin' ass

[silver solar]

Gardevoir is a stick and people make her work

Gallade too

[ashen sapphire]

chatot is... very fun but it's so fucking weak

[heady moat]

Different aesthetics imo! Regardless, I voted against Meloetta. I don't want a repeat of what happened to my poor beloved Porygon

[silver solar]

Seriously under the dress gardevoir is stick thin

Dress adds the illusion of size

[ashen sapphire]

so I'd be surprised if anyone actually used fusions of it even if they'd be fun to make

[crisp cargo]

i tried making porygons/flareon unique enough, at least

[heady moat]

Just looked yours up, and that's what Porygon head-fusions should be like

[civic mauve]

But that's partly why we don't need anymore humanoids. Because the Ralts line already covers skinny/short humanoids and the Machop line covers muscular ones

[silver solar]

I want meloetta for strong musical theming and potential fighting type

[crisp cargo]

i'm not really a fan of the reference stuff outside like. alts i guess

the honedge ones are fine though, there's not much else you can do

[heady moat]

Yeah - There's some really good reference sprites out there, but I don't want them as my mains

[silver solar]

More fun to make em look like other sword types than use the same basic bitch design

[civic mauve]

The music sheet is the main point in Meleotta's favor, and it's a single slot so I wouldn't mind it getting in, but I just don't think it brings as much to the game as some of the other single stage mons

[silver solar]

We do need fighting types tho

[crisp cargo]

i do really like the idea of aegislash fusions not strictly being swords

[silver solar]

So if they can make the other form work

[crisp cargo]

oh, actually, question

how would meloetta work in the context of relic song

since it has a sprite change

[silver solar]

But maractus is more needed, we can use the pokemon without strong musical theming for music

[civic mauve]

Toxicroak would be great. And I think Buzzwole could be a lot of fun w/ the transparent muscles and centaur-like body shape

[crisp cargo]

see i love maractus but i'm not sure what it would bring to the table that cacturne couldn't do just as well

[silver solar]

Being one stage

[crisp cargo]

but then you couldn't do -type cacnea fusions

plus it'd be another ball

[silver solar]

Yeah but i would honestly prefer marsctus and carnivine over cacnea line

[crisp cargo]

carnivine enjoyer

[civic mauve]

I do hope we get a cactus pokemon. The Cacnea line has better themes imo but the fact that Maractus is only 1 slot is a pretty big point in its favor

[silver solar]

Carnivine is a very different carnivorous plant vibe from victreebel!

[rough talon]

pheromosa, meloetta, lilligant, tsareena, salazzle, leavanny, heliolisk, patrat, timburr's whole line, melmetal (even if i like it a little, it'd probably be redundant?), lurantis, magearna, throh, sawk, the weather and lake trios, and florges.

i suppose there are more humanistic ones, but these are the ones i think are the absolute worse offenders of being entirely uninteresting and sharing a body shape with others. meloetta is kind of on thin ice, i think i like the design enough to be fine with it in but a lot of these are ones i would deeply dislike being in the game

[crisp cargo]

heliolisk?????

a lot of these i understand but heliolisk is a hell of a stretch tbh

[rough talon]

might be my experience with it showing through Sorry !

[silver solar]

Heliolisk is just a frilled lizard that stands

And they can run across water

[crisp cargo]

also patrat is just a funny lil' prairie dog

[rough talon]

i probably shouldnt have put iton this list actually

[silver solar]

I hate the hi vis vest design

[rough talon]

i think its Fine but i dislike it generally

[crisp cargo]

entirely valid

i think you could make some cool stuff with watchog but i understand why people wouldn't want it

[rough talon]

also patrat and its evo SUUUUCKKK they're not fun and they're REALLY boring design wise

[silver solar]

That lines eyes freak me out too

[civic mauve]

I think the problem w/ Salazzle is that it's sexualized. I don't think it's particularly human-looking tho it does appeal to the same crowd

[crisp cargo]

well salazzle is weird no matter how you look at it

[silver solar]

Salazzle did that to herself

[rough talon]

i love gen 5! But if i have to see another patrat i'm making someone desiccated

[crisp cargo]

like its entire dex entry is literally weird

[civic mauve]

Patrat's actually not the worst just because of its markings. I still don't want it tho ^^;

[silver solar]

Honestly i love her for being weird, and those colors, and i just like the way she’s shaped in a “I enjoy wildlife and the lizardy stuff they used”

[rough talon]

desiccation is a really funny word i love the idea that you just fucking. grab something and m,ake it horrible and dry

and its funnier to say as a threat

[crisp cargo]

mf hitting midnight bliss on people

[rough talon]

because i imagine

grabbing someone and then making them immediately a dried out skeleton

[silver solar]

Salamanders aren’t usually shaped quite that way but lizards are

[crisp cargo]

or would it be a curse of ra

[civic mauve]

I went w/ sexualized since I didn't want to say a pokemon is sexy even tho a lot of people disagree w/ me I'm sure ^^;

[rough talon]

I mean it IS made with that design in mind

Idk why people are afraid to say this

[civic mauve]

Garganacl Salt Cure

[rough talon]

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