event-general

[crude cedar]

Case by case basis

If its good people will like it, right?

[severe trout]

If you wanna call it pepper, then it’s the difference between adding a little and adding a whole pepper shaker worth

[crude cedar]

If someone doesnt like it they can mod it out anyway

[severe trout]

But sometimes it can be good pixel art but not a good sprite

[severe trout]

The idea is for contests, not in the game

[fading lodge]

I mean, you aren't supposed to edit peoples sprites without permission.

[crude cedar]

I meant replacing it

Entirely

[tepid reef]

Yeah technically, but in a lot of cases it doesn't fit the pokemon style

[crude cedar]

I addressed this too

[fading lodge]

I mean, there are clear examples of what looks cool but makes for a terrible sprite for the game; popularity doesn't make it a good sprite, and contests are supposed to improve spriter skills.

[crude cedar]

Practicality in design and easy to discern THEN personal taste

[severe trout]

Yeah, agreed

[crude cedar]

i feel like this a board meeting fot developing old rpg games on the snes

[fading lodge]

My big thing is I dislike when you can't tell what the fusion is supposed to be. Granted, I once made a sprite that was a bit harder to read because I was matching someone else's design for an evo.

[severe trout]

I honestly quite like the winner, the halo feels like a touch too much but the rest works very well with volcarona

[crude cedar]

I was confused why the ninetails didnt go further or win outright

[severe trout]

I didn’t vote for it, but it’s not bad

[severe trout]

I actually didn’t like it, some of the tails had kinda wonky shapes

[fading lodge]

Oh, I'm not commenting on the current contest, just in general. I have no qualms with the contest we just ran. I don't even know what was entered.

[crude cedar]

I picked the ninetails because i IMMEDIATELY knew what it was supposed to be

[severe trout]

Sorry, that was me putting in a random thought, not a response

[fading lodge]

ah, no biggie.

[severe trout]

I agree here

[deep night]

I feel like Pokémon for fusions should be recognizable. Like I’m all for references, but I feel like that sprites should clear what it is.

[severe trout]

My personal favourite was the enter

Entei*

[deep night]

I’m not a spriter in the slightest, and I won’t act like I am, but I feel like the same thing with sfx, it can make the Pokémon unrecognizable.

[fading lodge]

May be a bit unpopular, but contests are a lot of work for what we get out of them. I'm not sure they serve the function they used to anymore.

[deep night]

I don’t know what function they used to serve, so I won’t put my thought into that.

[crude cedar]

They now serve me plates of cheese

[fading lodge]

Well, when the game only had 500 spriters, they were used to make big decisions or encourage spriters to make sprites (there was a lot of burnout in the early days).

[deep night]

Interesting

[severe trout]

That’s cool, I can see that

Now I guess there are the money contests

[fading lodge]

Now, it's a lot of work and pressure as contests are much more involved. More people voted for just the winner of the contest we just had than all votes combined for the contest I won.

[deep night]

I mean the game did grow bigger, but I can see how it’s much more pressured

Since you want to make imo and understanding some of the most eccentric sprites, to grab the user’s attention

Although I maybe incorrect

[fading lodge]

All I know is the Contest Managers work very hard to make the contests happen. And, several of the contest managers have other duties in the server, barring other responsibilities IRL.

[deep night]

I think it’s impressive how these managers run it, I was a moderator for a 600~ member server, living hell for me. Management was…really bad to say the least

Which I find it impressive that the whole staff team in general, even with the contest managers are managing this big of a server

[wary canopy]

make the contests into just server wide sprite prompts encourage everyone to sprite , remove the polls , just have a showcase of em all in a few pic pics at the end n then a few individuals as manager spotlights at the end to show off as standouts ((thats not a serious suggestion for the record since i know ppl want the actual contests but man making the contests more into mergemay type events but for a specific pokemon or theming w just one or two entries per person sounds kind of nice actually. not too much work so its nice to join, everyone gets a community event to show their work to eachother n the game gets sprites))

[fading lodge]

I used to be a mod here, and it was quite a bit of work, and I wasn't even that good at it (though my presence was a deterrent for trouble). The staff do take things into consideration, so they'll strive to do both what is best for the server and what is desired.

[deep night]

Tbh yeah, I feel like some “contests” could just be showing off sprite, let staff vote on their favorite ones, and show which ones get the spotlight

If that makes any sense

For smaller “contests”

[fading lodge]

I think, imho, that we should just switch to the teams spotlight where we focus on a specific mon for a while, then the IF Discord staff pick a favorite sprite as the "featured" sprite for the month.

[severe trout]

That’d be cool

[severe trout]

This might also be what a few people want for the ‘spriters only’ voting

A spotlight for the spriters, a spotlight for the mods

[normal nebula]

requiring spriter role to vote is like passing voter ID law, it's not the same as denying people the right altogether. Maybe feedback givers could be included as well

[severe trout]

Though it’d be a pain to run, maybe the spotlights could just be 1 poll to fix that with all the Pokémon

[deep night]

Yeah, which is what I was trying to explain

I feel like having spriters vote only kinda defeats the purposes with contests

Yk?

Like I get spotlights, which is why I’m excluding those

[fading lodge]

Well, it depends on what the purpose of the contests are.

[deep night]

I do agree

[severe trout]

But at the same time, most people won’t have read the sprite-making rules and will think ‘flashy colour = good sprite’

[deep night]

Yes, I do agree

[severe trout]

Like the example of ‘don’t do this’ in the rules for gradients

[deep night]

Mhm.

[severe trout]

I honestly think the roserade fusion with the gradient looks better than without it

[normal nebula]

could also just have a "contest voter" role that you need to fully read the spriting guidelines to get

[severe trout]

That could work too ^

[severe trout]

But it’s a worse sprite

[deep night]

Mhm, I mean there’s no proven way to make them know they read it perhaps as an application type of thing

In which they answer questions

[severe trout]

Lmao, game show quiz

[primal iron]

Which is why contest sprites should go through #1050404143807873157 and be conform to the in-game sprites guidelines. If you make it to the contest it shouldn't matter that the voter know the guidelines or not, your sprite should be in line with them

[normal nebula]

hide a secret word in there somewhere, they need to DM secret word to bot

[deep night]

Mhm

[fading lodge]

Making sprites go through spritework before being contest elligble would help improve the quality of sprites in contests.

[deep night]

It imo is kinda a middle ground to everyone

[severe trout]

Then again, one or two did go through spritework, like the giratina

[deep night]

I like the element of surprise, but I only look on sprite work occasionally

[severe trout]

And actually, the first thread it was in, everyone said it was too much sfx until something happened and the mods closed the thread

[deep night]

Tbh sfx can be unneeded sometimes

[severe trout]

But I do think it’s a good baseline to go through spritework

[primal iron]

(vfx, not sfx )

[severe trout]

I like it, but the giratina does irk me a bit, it’s a full scene that isn’t connected to the sprite and isn’t really related to either Pokémon

[deep night]

Yeah

[severe trout]

Dun dun dun

[deep night]

Like I feel like it should be connected to pokemon(s)

Instead of making entirely pointless additions

While they aren’t entirely pointless

I’m just saying, they make the sprite look cool yes, but I mean, I wish it was kinda kept to just the Pokémon

[primal iron]

At the same time, making impressive sprites is cool for players, ignoring the fact that it tends to make people vote for them in contests, a lot of prites being created for contest end up in-game, and players like cool flashy sprites, so should we really stop people from making those?

[deep night]

I do see what you’re saying

They do look very cool yes, but I feel like it should be similar to the actual Pokémon

[primal iron]

In the end, we're creating things for the game, contests are just a way to engage creators and encourage them to fill in the dex, so to me it feels a bit bad to restrics creativity

[deep night]

Mhm

But I think it’s interesting to hear the other side of the argument.

[primal iron]

I do think both side are valid, it's a hard question and there isn't really a right or wrong answer

[deep night]

Yeah

I mean it’s opinionated, but it’s interesting hearing both

Like I don’t think we should restrict creativity myself, but I don’t like the idea of having unnecessary vfx

[severe trout]

I think because both sides are valid, they should both have a place

[deep night]

I’m not a spriter, but I vote in contest often, they’re cool and all but I’m not the biggest fan of having added vfx that may not fit within the Pokémon’s abilities

[primal iron]

Some sprites do go kinda overboard, but it would be super hard to draw a line at what would be considered "unncessary" Like, would we consider this one I did to have "extra" vfx? Technically neither Rapidash nor Electravire have lightning storms in their og designs, the lightning itself could be considered over the top, I could have gone for just the dark fire to be more like the Rapidash mane

[deep night]

Yeah, I think that as long as it could hypothetically fit within reason of the Pokémon’s abilities it could work

[severe trout]

Agreed, even mine used a couple of sfx

[deep night]

And it definitely isn’t over the top, like the dark mane I think with the thunderstorms would fit that fusion

[severe trout]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/543958354377179176/1130023112105263124/381.350.png

[rough talon]

yeah i agree with this entirely

[severe trout]

I mighta gone a little overboard with the electricity

[deep night]

Like B2 in the most recent contest, feels a bit unnecessary with the portal behind it, like it’s a great sprite, but still

[primal iron]

That's when it start to get tricky tho... if you accept SOME fancy effects, where is the line, and who decides if it passes or not? The contest managers are already busy enough

[deep night]

It is a very cool looking sprite; but I do say that

[deep night]

Yeah, I do agree there is an issue with that

[severe trout]

Double electric sprite I think

Might be steel electric

[deep night]

Like I mean i don’t think they can all agree on the sfx

[rough talon]

i think literally running it through #1050404143807873157 would work

[deep night]

Mhm

And then asking numerous people if it is “over the top”

[severe trout]

Issue is, B2 did that and still disregarded it

[severe trout]

Yeah, agreed

[rough talon]

then that's on them if they get disqualified lol

[deep night]

Yeah

[severe trout]

Maybe even doing the spritework questions thing ‘is this too much sfx’/‘which is better’

[deep night]

Yeah!!

[primal iron]

nods I do think contest entries should go through Spritework and be flagged in their title as contest entries so people know they're not meant to be alt sprites

[deep night]

Mhm!

Like it can be asked if it would fit within the contest

[rough talon]

ohohhoh a new tag would be nice for spritework if we're doing that

[deep night]

And if people get the feedback that it would, they can add it!

^^

[primal iron]

That would help the mods filter and quickly look through the entries to make sure they're valid

[deep night]

Mhm

Like it filters through “contest entries”

And then maybe some can add “to much sfx,” and issues

[near horizon]

maybe you should fill the survey posted by rezza on #event-announcements ?

[primal iron]

I'm not sure how easy/hard it is to add new tags tho, discord can be.. finnicky

[rough talon]

think we all have

[primal iron]

we did :3 we're just discusing the subject further ^^

[deep night]

Yeah, I have

[near horizon]

It's easy to add a tag, the not easy part is to make people use it

[deep night]

Mhm

[primal iron]

Yeaaah... true...

[deep night]

So I mean maybe they could only use the ones from the tag?

Perhaps

[near horizon]

Ok, i didn't know so i just said it as a friendly reminder :)

[rough talon]

only real reason i want people who aren't spriters to not be able to vote is cuz i just want a limit to who can so people who barely really are active here cant vote

i forgot to say that : (

[deep night]

I mean I am barely active

But I do know the spriter rules a bit

[rough talon]

tbf you have verified user

idk if that's a marker of anything but

[deep night]

I forget how I even got that

[primal iron]

I don't think discord activity should be taken into account for voters, at the end of the day to me, if you like/play the game, then your opinion is valid Not everyone is comfortable socialising online

[deep night]

I think a verify thing would be a bit important, so people do know the spriting rules as mentioned prior

[near horizon]

I think that everyone has it

[rough talon]

i do not

[deep night]

I’m not someone whose the most comfortable talking in the big servers

[rough talon]

dat is true, i think i just meant people who have no idea what is going on

i think the contest voter role would be dope actually

[near horizon]

[deep night]

I mean, probably just a code word as mentioned prior?

[rough talon]

why dont i have verified user....

that's very funny

[deep night]

Like you DM a bot, with a code word

[near horizon]

Or a #apply-for-contest similar to #apply-for-spriter?

[deep night]

Mhm! Like people can apply to be able to vote?

Like it has various spriting rule questions? I’m not someone who sprites, but it allows non spriters to also vote.

[near horizon]

I was thinking to participate

[deep night]

Ah

That could work also

But I think that it’d be the same thing as apply for spriter

[near horizon]

[deep night]

So I think having a tag, if you don’t use it, your contest is not allowed to enter

[primal iron]

I do agree that a voter role would be important, if only so we dont spam everyne on the server and bother the people that don't care about the contests 🤣

[deep night]

Yeah, that show different spriter rules/questions about the rules to try and ensure people have read them

But it can’t necessarily prove anything, just as a precaution.

And then having the forum tag, that if people don’t use it, no contest joining?

But that’s my idea

[near horizon]

It's 2:32 am, brain not braining, imma go sleep or try at least

++

[deep night]

Gn!!

[primal iron]

Bonne nuit ^^

[deep night]

It’s 8:30 PM…having to stay up till probably 11, due to comics/magazines.

But I think that having a contest tag, which you can apply for becoming a contest spriter

And then you post it in #1050404143807873157, and get feedback WITH the tag for a contest

And then perhaps voter applying?

In order to combine all of those ideas

[daring mauve]

I unironically really like this idea

[primal iron]

I enjoyed the Sylveon event a ton, and it had a lot of engagement, people don't just want voted contests

[cloud pulsar]

really late but
@broken trail Congrats!
as a volcarona expert this one is truly amazing
i really liked it a lot, so congrats again in your win!

[molten crater]

god, took me 50 minutes to answer that form

[molten crater]

yeah, but it also cannot be assumed that everyone on the server actually like/play the game. There are discord bots, people who join because they saw somebody play it on twitch, alt accounts that should be considered a single voter, etc. I agree that discord activity is not a requirement, but some sort of verification and effort should happen imo. Voter role is a decent idea, there may be other ways to do it too

[grand tusk]

I think each day 10 random people get to vote, but half the day is spent with them being bombarded by everyone else on what they SHOULD vote

but rule 7 is still there, so its super meek and people cant be explicit

[primal iron]

Yeah, I agree we should have a few extra steps to filter bots and such, but limiting it to spriters only doesn't seem right either

[plucky arch]

this us the only valid idea

[civic mauve]

Oh, anyone have any idea when we’ll get to see the results of the survey? I know it’ll probably be a while before the Contest Managers decide how they’re going to proceed; I’m mostly just curious about the responses themselves right now since it seemed like they were interesting (I forget the word Rezza used, but it was something like that iirc)

[cloud pulsar]

so LC polls when

[timid shore]

LC Category Prize Winners announcement when

[thick harness]

LC cancellation when

[livid tulip]

Maybe they'll discuss this for weeks before making a decision. Probably we will see what decision they make almost at the same time as the next contest

[crisp cargo]

Submitted my thoughts, feels good to get it off my chest lol

[lapis dust]

I was taken off-guard by the question about non-spriters. They are ultimately the end users of the game. Why wouldn't they be allowed?

[frail vortex]

Cause theyre peasants, probably

[random crypt]

it's not an uncommon sentiment so that's why it's being asked

[arctic garnet]

Are these not meant to be contests for the whole community? Everyone has to look at -and play with in game- the end results. Everyone cares about a good end product, y'all just got different standards. This gate-keeping is bullshit. Honestly, the fact they DON'T have to go through Spritework first is bullshit. Spritework is there for quality control for what ultimately ends up in the game, so why is any sprite going in the game without going through it first?

[normal nebula]

They do have to go through spritework already to go into the game. This is about requiring that for being entered into a contest.

[arctic garnet]

But what is entered in contest does go into the game, or so I've heard. But no entry is required to be sprite-worked first?

[normal nebula]

No, they dont automatically go into the game. Still need to go through spritework and the gallery like normal

[misty acorn]

Contests are just a funky side thing, #sprite-gallery is still the one and only way to submit a sprite to the game

[arctic garnet]

Ah, I misunderstood then.

It is surprising to hear that you can enter the contest without spriteworking though. No wonder people complain about the quality of the entries

[thick atlas]

this makes for a better wow-factor

[normal nebula]

The other problem is people who haven’t read the sprite guidelines voting arbitrarily for things that may be good art but aren’t acceptable sprites for the game. Having the spriter role requires you to at least understand the basics, which is why it’s a good form of gatekeeping. But if there were a role non-spriters could get to show that they understand the guidelines, that would be fine too

[thick atlas]

also having your sprite in spritework doesnt mean a thing. you could just deny any feedback and post the sprite without chaning anything

[civic mauve]

Personally I’m a big fan of @slow gyro’s suggestion for a Contest-Spritework channel. Since that way the entries are out of the way, meaning that folks who don’t want to see them don’t have to. But it also means folks are more likely to get advice which could be nice

There could also be stricter guidelines for Contest-Spritework, so you wouldn’t be allowed to submit the sprite w/o meeting them

So that could serve as a means of quality control that doesn’t take anyone’s vote away

[arctic garnet]

And if you do that, and it violates basic game requirements, the managers usually remove it and make you fix it. A bad design is fine in-game if it still follows the basic rules for the Sprite-Gallery. So, all contest entries should be posted to Sprite-Gallery by the end of the entry period. Why not?

At least then all contest entries have had some minimal amount of quality control, only spriters are making them, and then the people just decide which one is the most visually appealing for server icon

[thick atlas]

the goal is to make a good sprite, not a good server icon

[normal nebula]

I dont like the spritework requirement personally, because it puts more eyes on the entries in advance and allows more biases to form.

[thick atlas]

we already have a lot of channels. splitting the feedback-channel probably would lead to less feedback

[normal nebula]

Also imagine people start doing stuff like giving bad advice to competing sprites, etc.

[fast delta]

I don't think sabotage is a real concern, since it hasn't been an issue with entries running through spritework already. The main reason I'm against a spritework requirement is that some spriters won't have time, given the 1 week deadline.

[arctic garnet]

If the artist chooses to take it, that's a determination of the artist's own abilities. The artist chooses what they submit, in the end. Not the feedbackers.

[normal nebula]

The issue is that it would be exacerbated by making it a requirement for everyone.

[normal nebula]

New users could still be taken advantage of in this way. It could also discourage people from giving good feedback because they dont want to help their competitors

Never underestimate how much people care about pixels even when nothing important is at stake

[arctic garnet]

I don't think the opinions of the people who lurk the Fusions channel and never sprite should just be ignored. But maybe they shouldn't be the ones creating the entries, if we want quality sprites.

[normal nebula]

non spriters should get three fifths of a vote

[arctic garnet]

I HOPE you are joking here

[umbral sedge]

YEAH they should get less

[civic mauve]

I can’t speak for everyone, but I would be more likely to give feedback in a separate spritework thread since there would be less entries to go through there. It would also be easier for the managers or some other role to go through them if it was decided that they needed approval to be submitted to the contest

[thick atlas]

only contest champions should be able to vote

[umbral sedge]

I think I should be able to just choose which one wins.

[normal nebula]

I think this is a compromise we can all agree on

[civic mauve]

Someone also suggested having separate polls for Spriters and Non-Spriters, but it seemed like that might not be entirely practical

[timid shore]

just be reminded that non-spriters outnumber spriters by a lot in this server. balancing the numbers by having spriter votes count for more might work out fairer

[molten crater]

Imo the constest sprites should be separate from spritework, there should be a "contestwork" channel

[arctic garnet]

If the problem is poor-quality sprites being voted higher, why is the go-to solution hating on voter opinions and gate-keeping them instead of gatekeeping the quality of the contestants? Especially if this is meant to showcase good sprites and not just make a server icon?

[normal nebula]

its not just poor quality sprites being voted higher, its high quality sprites being voted lower because they dont do anything fancy like SFX.

[civic mauve]

Personally I like my suggestion for creating two different categories for submissions, with one that allows SFX and one that doesn’t as that seems to be the main complaint that people actually have

Some folks think that non-spriters are more likely to vote for flashier sprites w/ tons of sfx rather than sprites that are technically impressive. And it makes sfx basically a requirement to do well which means a lot of really cool sprites never even get a chance

But disallowing sfx means you have to come up w/ a definition for it that everyone agrees on, plus it can disqualify sprites w/ really creative designs

So I think separate categories for both is the best solution for everyone

[arctic garnet]

So we'll just fling mud at the people for enjoying cool effects, instead of saying no to artists using excessive SFX?

[timid shore]

i do think it's for the best if contest are focused once again on making the most fitting sprites for the fan game instead of catering to "how much shiny i can fit into this"

[arctic garnet]

I agree Grey. When did that change? Isn't that how it started?

[normal nebula]

Framing it as “flinging mud” because its being suggested that they either become a spriter or read 5 paragraphs before voting isnt really a good faith characterization

[thick atlas]

there were always metas. like the kaiju meta or animations, now its sfx

[timid shore]

it changes because a lot of the content about IF is focused on "wow shiny!! references!" and that's what a lot of people are voting for

look at #sprite-requests too, for example

[arctic garnet]

I see a very different attitude towards players of this game when I scroll upwards, apparently

[normal nebula]

Random Alternative idea: Decoy polls that dont actually count for anything, but will filter out people without the reading comprehension to find the real ones

[timid shore]

the 3rd most recent request is to make a reference based off a character i do not recognise, another request for a charizard/smeargle with ton of multicoloured flames and sfx. those are what people who bother to vote want to see right now

[random crypt]

how hard would it be to quicky screen the sprites before uploading the contest polls out of curiousity?

there are plenty of contests where you can get disqualified for xyz

[cloud solstice]

isn't it already the case?

[arctic garnet]

About as hard as requiring only spriters enter, and all must post to gallery and be allowed there by mods

[normal nebula]

They do this, yes

[arctic garnet]

I can actually get behind this. Super trolly but also fun and harmless.

[cloud solstice]

it will probably work only once

[arctic garnet]

maybe, but maybe not

[arctic garnet]

So call it an alts contest.

Since they get default alted

[crisp cargo]

not everything lol

i never submitted my palkia/roserade and i haven't submitted my metagross/jirachi in there yet

[cloud solstice]

maybe doing some sort of "exam" about guidelines to get the voting role? that might be too much effort tho

[arctic garnet]

Have community wide contests for alt sprites where both spriters and non-spriters can submit and vote. Then main sprite contests for spriters only to compete amongst themselves

[normal nebula]

My suggestion way earlier was to hide a couple code words in the sprite guidelines, you DM the code to a bot and you get the contest voter role, just to show that you’ve at least read them.

[cloud solstice]

I feel like somebody could just ask the code, but then again it would filter a bit

[normal nebula]

If someone asked most people would probably just say “its right there in sprite guidelines, just read it”

[timid shore]

that's not my point. i was trying to say that non-spriters and spriters tend to have different things they look for when it comes to voting.

and i think it's moving away from 'most fitting sprite for the fangeme' focus. that's all.

[arctic garnet]

Oh it clearly is, no argument there

[crisp cargo]

all this discourse is just proof that it should go to judges

[timid shore]

make milan's sprite royale official

[umbral sedge]

So instead of letting people that know the craft judge the contests, you want to restrict the applicants to only people that know the craft while being judged by everyone no matter the experience?

[normal nebula]

non spriters not voting doesnt mean everyone who isnt you

[umbral sedge]

That sounds like gatekeeping but less effective

So I'd rather choose the gatekeeping that is more effective

[crisp cargo]

what does this even mean

i'm saying i think votes are inherently unbalanced

doesn't matter if it's only spriters doing it

[normal nebula]

your name is spriter, we are all non-spriters since we are not you

[crisp cargo]

who said i'd be the one judging

[dawn prairie]

Granted, now it gets 200 entries and takes a month to judge for each

[crisp cargo]

no but seriously like. voting is always gonna be unbalanced no matter what

[cloud solstice]

of course, but you can still try to make it fair

fair doesn't mean balanced

[arctic garnet]

Yes. People that know the craft are the only ones allowed to make sprites that go into the game afterall. And the contest SHOULD be, ultimately, sprites for the game. But everyone no matter their experience has opinions on the sprites in the game

[crisp cargo]

i mean is it really fair that a sprite that has phenomenal design work is kicked out in the first round because it's not 'shiny enough'?

[cloud solstice]

no

[deep night]

What was discussed yesterday, was perhaps making sprites go through #1050404143807873157, to make sure they adhere to the rules, with specific tag.

[crisp cargo]

like i'm gonna do the slippery slope fallacy here but

[umbral sedge]

contest sprites dont automatically get added to the game

[deep night]

It’s not fair, but I think that, as someone who has no experience in spriting, should still have their opinion be valid.

[normal nebula]

I think non-IF mons are allowed in contest actually (not sure if thats changed) so its not exclusively sprites for the game

[crisp cargo]

what if i don't want to get my sprite in the game? some people don't

[umbral sedge]

Clearly the 1st place deserved it more because more people voted for it

[deep night]

That’s why I say a specific tag, in order to make sure it still passes by the rules, I don’t know how spriting in the game works, so maybe perhaps saying that you don’t want it in the game?

I don’t know how you get sprites in the game, so my idea maybe incorrect, if so I apologize

[arctic garnet]

Posting to Sprite-Gallery, which only Spriter roles can do

[cloud solstice]

sprites are added only if they are posted in the gallery

[normal nebula]

spritework sprites are also rounded up and put in the no QA pack but you can opt out

[deep night]

Mhm, but I think that it should also have an opinion, especially with sfx

Or vfx

Especially if you can opt out, so people can still have an opinion whether it’s to much, but that’s just my opinion

Same with sfx and vfx not working with the Pokémon if that makes any sense, while they’re cool definitely, I feel like the Jirachi with giratina, with the portal doesn’t fit the fusion, it’s a beautifully made sprite, don’t get me wrong, but I feel like it’s to much going on

[arctic garnet]

This circles back to the contest's purpose then. If non-IF mons and not-for-game sprites are allowed, then no surprise you get sprites not fit for the game.

[cloud solstice]

are non-if allowed?

[limber venture]

No

[umbral sedge]

Who do you want the judge to be of that?

[normal nebula]

ah, my bad, used to be the case.

[arctic garnet]

The judge of the contest's purpose? Can we not figure it out together here? Or the host decides?

[umbral sedge]

I fail to see how gatekeeping the actual contest participants is better than the voters

[normal nebula]

I think we should pick a random whitename right here right now and have them decide all of this

[umbral sedge]

me

[deep night]

I mean I’m a white name also

[cloud solstice]

what happen if a non-spriter participate but votes are spriters only

[deep night]

But, I mean I don’t think that the contests should be gatekept, I mean if so then what’s the point of them? Even if people post them in #1050404143807873157, they can still opt out of it being inside the game, from what I understood from talking earlier

[normal nebula]

theyre at a slight disadvantage from not being able to vote for themselves I guess

[deep night]

But the reason for posting them in #1050404143807873157, is so that people do have an idea of what their sprite is, and asking if it makes sense for the contest

[cloud solstice]

you can get a fancy role and the sprite become the server icon if you win

[deep night]

Yes, but I mean even with the server icons, people can still opt out of them being inside the game

[normal nebula]

I just think forcing contest sprites through spritework first is a rule 7 nightmare but thats just me

[random crypt]

they're allowed to be talked about in spritework

[deep night]

It could be, but the best not reason I say it is just so people get a basic understanding if it is like to much sfx or vfx.

[random crypt]

there's plenty of contest entries that do go through spritework beforehand

for some reason i thought that was the way it had to be anyway lmao

[deep night]

And I think that it can also help with the additions that pokemon have for contests

Such as the portal for jirachi/giratina

[normal nebula]

The question isnt “are they” its “should they be forced to be”

[cloud solstice]

most do

[random crypt]

that still wouldn't violate rule 7 imo

since rule 7 is not talking about contest sprites

[deep night]

Or at least not ones currently being voted on.

[plucky arch]

its about not influencing the vote

[random crypt]

so i don't see how that'd be a rule 7 nightmare

[normal nebula]

It would create a lot of murky territory for it, by encouraging a ground for the vote to be influenced early on

[plucky arch]

the reason rule 7 exists is cause of a server member banned like a long time ago, and thats why it was so strict, but the main gist is "dont influence the votes"

[cloud solstice]

hero did post this sprite in #1050404143807873157
It cause quite the debate, and kept the portal anyway, although he was unsure if he would participate

[deep night]

Ah

[cloud solstice]

so even if they go throught spritework sprites can still have lots of sfx

[deep night]

Mhm

But the portal felt unnecessary, but that’s my opinion

[random crypt]

i guess the main reason for it would be to weed out the lower quality ones

like the one sprite that had 0 black outlines

[arctic garnet]

Is this not what contest rules accomplish? Not their purpose? Have I just never truly understood how contests function?

[deep night]

And making sure they adhere to spritework rules.

[random crypt]

part of the accountability is also on the people who submit, like the arceus/jirachi turning into arceus/arceus lmao

either way there's never gonna be a clear cut 100% fair method

[cloud solstice]

true
tbh I'm not sure about making vote spriters only, it is a community event after all, but I think there should be some restriction or filtering for voters
by making a step to get the role that require a bit of effort could filter out people who don't know much about guidelines for example

[deep night]

Mhm!

Like perhaps an application system.

[plucky arch]

i will say, there are a concerning amount of people voting who do in fact not know about the guidelines, ive seen the data

[deep night]

It allows everyone to vote, but filters people who don’t know a clue about the guidelines.

[cloud solstice]

maybe not like for spriters, the managers have already a lot of them

[deep night]

Yeah not for the spriters

[random crypt]

maybe there's a way to auto set it up

[deep night]

But for the voters.

Mhm, maybe?

[primal iron]

(Can I just say how impressed I am with people here being super civil to each other despite having different opinions? Y'all are lovely)

[deep night]

Like a code word in the guidelines.

[plucky arch]

if youre suggesting tickets

i promise you, you will be pummeled

[random crypt]

definitely not tickets

the sprite managers have enough as it is

[deep night]

Yeah, not tickets

I don’t know much about hot coding; but could there be a way like, if someone dms a bot a specific code word they get a role?

Or basically like a series of questions, with multi choice answers, and if they get them all right they get the role?

[cloud solstice]

maybe some sort of short exam? like a multiple choice exam?

[deep night]

Mhm!

[cloud solstice]

you were faster

[deep night]

Somehow 😔

[cloud solstice]

was looking for the english name

[plucky arch]

lets just get rid of contests and make every month a Team Event

[timid shore]

i honestly wont be opposed to that

[deep night]

Perhaps

[cloud solstice]

like they did with sylveon?

[random crypt]

this is fine

[plucky arch]

itd sure my job a lot easier

[primal iron]

Honestly, yes

[plucky arch]

"okay everyone go make Jirachis now cya next month"

[primal iron]

Maybe every other month so people don't get burnt out

but I really liked the sylveon event

[plucky arch]

itd only take us,,,

33 years to get thru every mon

[cloud solstice]

I didn't participate but it was fun seeing all the sylveon fusions and the community interactions

[primal iron]

[cloud solstice]

less probably since you do two mon for each fusion

[plucky arch]

well if each month has a specific mon

[primal iron]

and a few are already p-much complete, but yeah it would still be a while lmao

[plucky arch]

theres 420

[primal iron]

Do them in order of least completed dex, eventually the other ones will fill up on their own

[plucky arch]

themed contests are dead it is only classic

[arctic garnet]

Well shit there goes my Avatar Last airbender theme suggestion lol

[cloud solstice]

reference contest

[primal iron]

bleh, we can do those in 33 years once we have all the main sprites done

[cloud solstice]

a type contest? like the resulting fusion mon must have a specific type

[primal iron]

that could be neat

[livid tulip]

No but I think things like mergemay were reaaaally fun

[random crypt]

a feature contest where you do fusions with a specific feature (tails, wings etc)

[livid tulip]

Honestly it was so hard to participate but had no regrets

It was really fun and I won't never get tired of thank Rezza to do that challenge

Mergeoctober

[umbral sedge]

smh rezza so lazy only doing it once

[cloud solstice]

a middle stage contest, where either the body or the head must be a middle stage mon (except for Grovyle )

[livid tulip]

smh Rezza lazy should work more /jk

[umbral sedge]

I still can't believe he made one of the mergemay challenges "feet closeup"
Weird guy

[arctic garnet]

When was that?

[umbral sedge]

A couple of months ago

[arctic garnet]

Ah, I probably joined shortly after. Dodged that bullet

[umbral sedge]

Yeah, Rezza defended that by saying that it was "just another body part" like if you focus on a Horned Pokemon or bird-esque. I guess he is right but I just wish he didn't say "THANK YOU" whenever someone made a sprite for that prompt

[arctic garnet]

He was technically correct. Just questionable in motivation

[limber venture]

Why on earth do you believe this

[umbral sedge]

[limber venture]

Serious question

Why would I still be a sprite manager if I did that

What the hell makes you think that would be allowed to pass

[arctic garnet]

Nothing, but for brand new nobodies who barely read the server rules, it might confuse

[normal nebula]

pardon us for assuming sprite managers were based

[arctic garnet]

For what little it means on the internet, I did not mean to slander. A feet challenge just carries with it connotations and stereotypes, like a lopunny or gardevoir challenge.

[umbral sedge]

I am the one slandering

[limber venture]

It didn't happen!

That's the point!

This did not happen!

[fringe mica]

non if contest when

[limber venture]

Zero is obviously lying to you!

[normal nebula]

unfortunately

[fringe mica]

i have a sketch to pick up

non if contest when pro gamer

[arctic garnet]

False news? I'm more inclined to believe you than I am Zero.

I'm working on a sprite right now so I didn't try fighting the discord search

[fringe mica]

come on im working on a sprite and contest general gets active

i do nothing and the chat is dead

[umbral sedge]

This hurts, considering I am a beacon of honesty and truth.

[plucky arch]

also btw fun fact: if yall do suggest contest ideas, i do see them and if theyre good/common enough i will toss em to the other CMs

[limber venture]

I've never seen you suggest a contest

[plucky arch]

like i said good enough

[limber venture]

Exactly

[arctic garnet]

burn...

[cloud solstice]

manager only contest when

[plucky arch]

yoo lets go

[umbral sedge]

Featherless Biped contest

[plucky arch]

Staff Only Contest, where each sprite gets a rating out of 5 stars, and every staff member has to participate

we track down and hold a gun to Trubbish

we get Frogman to actually contribute something to this game (smhsmh lazy)

[fringe mica]

YEAAAAH GOOD TIMING

wait

wait

if the last contests were optional to put in gallery

are non if pokemon allowed??

[plucky arch]

nope

[fringe mica]

i could make jirachi chien pao if i wanted

nvm

non if contest

❗

[umbral sedge]

behold, a man

[opal wadi]

https://raw.githubusercontent.com/Aegide/autogen-fusion-sprites/master/Battlers/6/6.png

[fringe mica]

featherless biped the non if fusion im douign rightr now

aaeewinfinfin

[livid tulip]

Lfmao

[dull mortar]

comes in, looks at the rezza feet discourse, sips my coffee gently

[plucky arch]

rezza feet discourse is always my favourite part of the day

[crisp cargo]

can we don't

[plucky arch]

i still cant believe the new voter system involves having to send rezza photos of your feet, and them reading the creases, like palm reading, to determine whether or not youre eligible to vote, but hey theyve been a cm longer its not my place to judge

[arctic garnet]

[lapis dust]

Some sfx can be appropriate .I feel like it does need some kind of limit though. If it doesn't help convey the fusion, then it kinda feels like someone's just not confident with their design.

[civic mauve]

The duality of chat rn xD

[crisp cargo]

like actually seriously don't

[fringe mica]

i need to backread this

[dull mortar]

o7

[silver solar]

The problem is that it’s subjective. And rules on subjective things can be complicated

[slow gyro]

Non IF contest when?

[fringe mica]

exactly

ill make the rawest sharpedo fusion of all time

[silver solar]

Now would that be a contest where both sides are non if, one side, or at least one

[normal nebula]

I swear sharpedo is only not in the game to avoid the Mr Mime fusion

[heady radish]

had to think about that one for a second lmao

[silver merlin]

shouldve been here earlier i guess 🚎

but probably not, the whole purpose of contests is to fill out sprites for the game

[slow gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-gif-25117042

[cloud pulsar]

wow we work our asses off to complete the dex every day

[plucky arch]

hero contest manager when

[cloud pulsar]

an you guys cant even give us that

smh

smh

[silver merlin]

yeah i dont and im awesome for that

https://tenor.com/view/cristiano-ronaldo-award-winning-walking-gif-24664103

no fun allowed btw nope

[plucky arch]

you will when we do the Staff Only Contest

[cloud pulsar]

[silver merlin]

danish people only contest

that would be AWESOME

[plucky arch]

heres the kicker, theme is Sweden

[silver merlin]

sure i will sprite sweden when it didnt own skåne nor jamtaland

[misty acorn]

Vad roligt!

[ashen sapphire]

there's a way to adjudicate it more objectively by considering particle sfx and design mod sfx to be two different things

particle sfx = fire, floating planets, galaxy swirls, army of tiny minions, etc.

design mod sfx = color and pattern variations not present on either original, accessories like a PMD neck scarf, extra eyes, stuff that's part of or attached to the pokemon

I'd be here for a ban on particle sfx and allowing design mod sfx

[thick harness]

I think that's a great way to seperate it! The thought of splitting SFX had never occured to me but I think that makes a lot of sense, and I agree with banning the particle effects but allowing the design one

[misty acorn]

You make it sounds simple but this would cause rule disputes in every single contest

[thick harness]

It would, but I think having some guidelines in place for SFX is probably going to be the end result anyway, even if they ban it completely. Using those two definitions would at least be a start towards this, and there's room to clarify things later

I don't think there's a clean, elegant solution to solving any of this

[misty acorn]

Just stop crying and let people use sfx if they want to 🥲

[umbral sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/joueur-du-grenier-no-fun-fun-fun-is-not-allowed-stop-it-gif-16558170

[drifting wave]

new rule: any sfx is allowed, but no more than 5 pixels worth.

[misty acorn]

can't even make 1 bubble with 5 pixels

[drifting wave]

ok, how many pixels do you need to make 1 bubble?

[umbral sedge]

transparent pixels count. Every sprite is disqualified

[umbral sedge]

8 at the very least and then it's a shitty circle and not much of a bubble

[misty acorn]

Not sure but I'd say just to be safe we should limit sfx to 9.216 pixels per sprite

[drifting wave]

perfect!

updated rule: any sfx is allowed, but no more than 8 pixels worth.

[thick harness]

Hmm; I think that would just lead to people rediscovering the Kaiju meta. better limit all sprites to 8 pixels instead just to make sure

[drifting wave]

Joltik contest when?

[crisp cargo]

good

[civic mauve]

Every sprite is a rectangle

[slow gyro]

It’s jigglypuff seen from above

[civic mauve]

It's actually a Ditto in a box, good guess tho!

[civic mauve]

I was so happy when I saw that there was a fusion of Jigglypuff as seen from Above

[slow gyro]

Lol what

[civic mauve]

Jigglypuff/Voltorb iirc

[slow gyro]

Lmao

[subtle moss]

Stakataka as seen from above

[civic mauve]

Oh yeah that's better xD

[near horizon]

You can, i can make small bubble with 4 pixels

[misty acorn]

okay, show it to someone in general and have them guess what it is supposed to be

[near horizon]

i never said that it's a good bubble

[near horizon]

I often use pixel bubbles but it's to give depth to other bubbles xD

[severe epoch]

damn, my guess was eiscue as seen from above lol

[misty acorn]

I mean yeah I also use 4-pixel bubbles, but only when there are bigger bubbles to establish what they are actually meant to be

[slow gyro]

Non IF contest when?

[misty acorn]

now, go you have 2 minutes!

[near horizon]

Well to be fair you didn't said it was for making a readable bubble if it's alone

[plucky arch]

never

[late sequoia]

Why not?

[slow gyro]

Lmao

[livid tulip]

Nice Garchomp sprite!

[fading fiber]

he looks like hes trying to seduce me 👀

[fringe mica]

i knew this channel dies

[livid tulip]

Always when a contest ends. There's no more reason to post here until the next contest, and unless you want to post the classic "next contest when" meme then there's no much to say

[thin dove]

and if you do try talking about other stuff you usually get shunted off to spriter-general

[quartz locust]

You say this as if people don't dispute the rules of every contest anyway. 😂

[quartz locust]

On account of the rules, yes. 🙂

[fringe mica]

or GATEKEEP

[livid tulip]

I wouldn't say sharing opinions about the thing that we do in this server is gatekeeping

It's not like anyone can do whatever they want

[fringe mica]

its what everyone calls

i dont call it gatekeeping

but everyone did

or

like

2 ppl did

lol

[livid tulip]

Yeah, I just talking overall. I think contests, due to being so competitive, ends up showing the opinion of many people, the beliefs they have about the same project, or the priorities they have. And again, due to the competitive nature of contests, the same opinion outside and inside the contest, even using the same words, can seem like one thing (feedback) or another (gatekeeping). In the end it is just feedback on the same project, and it is impossible for everyone to seek the same goals, even if we are working for the same thing

Maybe the goal for someone is just fun and nothing more than that. Other person probably wants to participate in the project for the sole reason to use them in the game. For other person may be giving the fusions of its favourite Pokémon justice. For another, it's getting roles as if they were awards. There's a lot of people and due to this the opinions can be very different between all them

And because of this there won't be a perfect solution for anything if there's a conflict between opinions. Or at least, not one that makes everyone happy. I could say that the perfect solution should be the one that IF staff considers it's more positive for the project (the game), considering that contests influences the content in it. But who knows, in the end this is still my opinion and not the absolute truth or the better way to do anything

[livid tulip]

(Me making walltexts due to my passion again, sorry )

[umbral sedge]

There doesn't have to be a perfect solution. It's enough if the solution is the one that I like

[quartz locust]

Normally, it's the same 5 people raising the same 5 issues every time. 😅

[slow gyro]

Non IF contest when?

[cloud pulsar]

you should do "day X of asking for a non if contest"

[slow gyro]

Lmao

Day 4 of asking for a Non IF contest
Non IF contest when?

[summer nebula]

Fakemon-only contest when? || ||

[grand tusk]

I called it gatekeeping but I would not listen to a word I was saying

im here to be a fly buzzing in your ear, rather then do anything helpful

[near horizon]

I think that a triple fusion contest could be better

[slow gyro]

That would also be funny

[summer nebula]

if there is a triple fusion contest, i'm 100% making an absolutely awful combo

[primal iron]

I kinda wana make a dodrio/Palkia/Dialga, with the Palkia and Dialga heads being angry at each other and the 3rd normal dodrio head just like on the side

[slow gyro]

Lmao

[molten crater]

an idea I just had: a contest where the spriter must do a Back Sprite for a fusion that he/she/they previously made

[primal iron]

[plush vale]

or

[primal iron]

🤣

[plush vale]

new spriters wanting to enter gonna be like

[subtle moss]

or maybe a Hydreigon/Arceus, which has Dialga and Palkia hands

Wait, make that Arceus/Hydreigon

[daring mauve]

Groudon/Kyogre/Dodrio with the third head on the phone calling Rayquaza like this while the other two fight

[rough frost]

I will do that for free

[plucky arch]

day 4 of telling hero never

[versed ridge]

I wouldnt mind a non if contest

(Gives me an excuse to sprite eternatus)

[molten vector]

If I could choose a contest I would take the 10 pokemon with the least amount of fusions and say that you can only fuse them with each other. No self fusions

or maybe the 20 with the least amount to provide more variety

[primal iron]

Call it the "Fill the dex" contest lmao

[civic mauve]

Only issue w/ that is it increases the odds of people doing the same fusion if both head and body choices are limited to the same pool

It might be better to just choose the heads/bodies w/ the lowest counts, and then have the other spot be free for anything that hasn’t been done yet

[molten vector]

That's a much better idea

I'd just like to see things that haven't been done before and force people to get creative

[thin dove]

LC3 kinda did that and then the unlimited entries broke the bot lmao

maybe something like
-head pool options: 5-10 of the lowest sprited pokemon on the daena website
-body pool options: 5-10 of the lowest sprited pokemon on the daena website
pick one of two pools, the other pokemon can be anything you like as long as it doesn't have a sprite for it yet

[lapis dust]

Back sprite contest when?

[plush vale]

if they can only fuse em with each other, theres 1 only 200 possible distinct entires thats assuming people dont cngreagte towards same stuff, and 2 not a lotta progress towards changing who's last

[thin dove]

i'd be surprised if this game actually had room for backsprites

[molten crater]

I thought those were a thing...

[grand tusk]

The solution is clear, we ask ChatGPT it's opinion on SFX in contests

it says "We'll add a separate category for fusions with SFX, and contestants can choose whether to participate in it or not."

alright case closed

never have to discuss it again now

[slow gyro]

Lmao you think chat gpt could redo the code of the game so that it could fit more mons in it?

[grand tusk]

If we start discussing SFX again we can just ask it to emulate the conversation so we can skip the entire process

[fringe mica]

im also a fly buzzing ears mate

[slow gyro]

Day 5 of asking for a Non IF Contest
Non IF contest when?

[river meteor]

I'm new here, what's "non if"?

[thick jolt]

pokemon not in the game

if is infinite fusions

[river meteor]

ahhh

[thick jolt]

the contest will not happen though as contests are generally for completion of the game

[river meteor]

thanks for the clarification ^^

[hollow sky]

if > non if

[fringe mica]

who said that

huh

misinformation

[thick jolt]

[fringe mica]

forgive me coral for i have sinned

[grand tusk]

Non IF contest and the winner chooses the next IF themed competition

now it's related to IF

[supple magnet]

I wish sharpedo was in the game

Just because I like giving things teeth

Don't take that out of context))

[plush vale]

well we do have some other teethy stuff like crocs

[supple magnet]

I guess

But Sharpedo has BEEG TEETH

[midnight pumice]

Make bidoof fusions with long teeth

[mystic sierra]

We need to do a cradily contest

I love my stupid fucking plant

[cloud pulsar]

too late

[supple magnet]

NOOO

[plush vale]

lyre frikkin loves the tooth fairy

[slow gyro]

Lmao

[molten crater]

me too, one of my favorite mons

[thin dove]

you might like pinsir

[slow gyro]

Day 6 of asking for a Non IF Contest
Non IF contest when?

[stiff valley]

On the sprite resource server

[woven kettle]

Alright, where's the next contest?

You know, the next one I most likely won't talk in here or even particpate

[molten crater]

but you just did talk about it

touché

[plush vale]

you won't say?

[silver merlin]

NEVER unironically

[drifting wave]

imagine contest with ~200+ entries, 200+ sprites and all the time & effort it took to make them, and NONE of them make it into the game. not a single one

If I had to guess, that's a big reason why a non IF contest won't happen

[grand tusk]

technically, nothing stops you from hosting your own unofficial non-IF tournament

cut to the contest managers betraying you and locking you in the hyperbolic time chamber

[silver merlin]

thats it

contests were made to get sprites into the game so yeah

none of that

[slow gyro]

That wont stop me for asking

Btw Katten look at this

[silver merlin]

im looking

[slow gyro]

Once this is in the gallery, I’ll ask for it to become an emoji lol

https://tenor.com/view/elmo-fire-burning-gif-8869638

My new masterpiece

[silver merlin]

lol thats pr funny

i think it has a good shot at becoming one

one of my first sprites became and emote when it was just knuckles who decided if we added emotes or not

[slow gyro]

Lmao

A legend

[versed ridge]

I have 1 emote to my name

[signal reef]

ok next contest : emote potential fusion

[dawn prairie]

Contest managers summoning 60 unnamed spriters to make nerd emojis

[subtle moss]

I would make a fusion with a thumbs up

couldn't find one last time I looked for it

[drifting wave]

... mimikyu/magmar? it looks great

[plucky arch]

[quartz locust]

Nah, forced emotes made to be emotes are generally pretty lame. 😅

[subtle moss]

That doesn't really look like a thumbs up

[plucky arch]

its a thumbs up with a spoon

[misty acorn]

what was the backstory of that emote again, I forgor

I know that rotom autogens were involved

[slow gyro]

Week 1 of asking for a Non IF Contest
Non IF contest when?

[dawn prairie]

yesterday you just missed it

[plucky arch]

today, rn, 5 minutes left in entry

[near horizon]

It's a spoon up?

[tawdry oak]

holy shit

[surreal folio]

Mine isn't in the votes yet

[strong salmon]

Where can u vote?

[thick atlas]

in #...-polls

[strong salmon]

It ended

[thick atlas]

yes

[strong salmon]

Then what are the 2 guys above my text talking about

[thick atlas]

its about kiwis little cup comp 3

a sponsored contest

[strong salmon]

O oke and how can i look at that?

[strong salmon]

Awesome tnx

[molten crater]

Collabs-only contest when?

[quartz locust]

https://tenor.com/view/fairly-oddparents-gif-22646087

[quartz locust]

We've done 3 of those before. 😛

[molten crater]

oh, I did not know

would be cool for a christmas thing

[silver merlin]

we have a yearly christmas contest :3

[molten crater]

nice, can't wait for it then

[quartz locust]

As opposed to a fortnightly Christmas contest. 😉

[timid shore]

theres still some july left for a christmas in july thing

[quartz locust]

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-14359850

[grand tusk]

Christmas in July hater 😔

[quartz locust]

I forgot I managed to get $35 from an old sponsored contest (can't even remember which one), so it meant I got a really rare figure (in the UK, at least) for much less than I would have had to pay originally. 😄

[random crypt]

getting figures in the UK is so ass

[quartz locust]

Weirdly, most of the Sonic ones are actually pretty obtainable. Jet the Hawk, though...

Silver and Omega also aren't great, but Super Silver is weirdly fine. 😂

[random crypt]

I'm assuming you order them online right? cause getting them in person here is also not great unless you live in London

[quartz locust]

I was hoping my contest money would stretch to Omega, but no such look. 😭

[quartz locust]

A mix of the two, but mostly online. I ended up getting Super Shadow, which is really rare, by chance in Argos, but it was meant to be either Silver or Omega. 😂

[random crypt]

ace

[hollow crow]

pungo contest

when

[misty acorn]

no pungo contest when

[hollow crow]

yes pungo contest when

[thick atlas]

ref contest

[plucky arch]

the day we do a pungo contest is the day ive stepped down

[hollow crow]

make me contest maker person man then

so i can do pungo contest

[plucky arch]

im good

pungo is far too specific for a contest
not an eevee contest, but eevee body, and using one specific base

[hollow crow]

Good contest idea

[silver merlin]

guys we are considering the most fucked up contest stuff

get ready to be really pissed off

:rezzatroll:

[thick atlas]

you mean more than usual?

[dawn prairie]

[silver merlin]

yeah like giga pissed

like i removed contests pissed

[stoic lava]

Contest to give the sprite encoders a break? Yall work too hard and we don't say it enough.

[stiff valley]

No more LC

[silver merlin]

no were keeping that

just for you to dwell there <333

[stiff valley]

ok do it

i don't even remember how i was doing it

[silver merlin]

ill pay you one polish SLUTTY if you finish the polls

(zloty)

[stiff valley]

I know how much it is

It's nothing lol

[silver merlin]

@paper trench why did you name your money after sluts

[stiff valley]

I've been to poland

[paper trench]

what

[silver merlin]

zloty

it sounds like slutty

[paper trench]

Złoty

[silver merlin]

isnt that how its spelled

idk

[paper trench]

No

it may in english or danish

but we read stuff as it's written

[silver merlin]

slutty

[paper trench]

no hidden letters, no silent letters

[silver merlin]

it sounds like slutty

[paper trench]

Z is reading as in the word Xeno

[silver merlin]

:3

[paper trench]

or is it

idk anymore

[silver merlin]

it means slutty

[paper trench]

hard to explain it

[silver merlin]

🤝

[paper trench]

I mean you're right

coz our currency is worthless

[silver merlin]

it is so stupid denmark doesnt use the euro already

we are literally bound to the euro

LOL

why not just change into it 🚎

[stoic lava]

I mean there is something charming about being paid in sluttiness.

[silver merlin]

LMFAO

TRUE

[stiff valley]

isn't poland changing to euro too ?

[paper trench]

I will move out of this shitthole at some point

[paper trench]

god plz no

or w8

yes plz if they pay us the same wages but in euro

I'd rather earn 4500€ than 750

[stiff valley]

[plucky arch]

THE ENGLISH CONQUER AGAIN LETS FUCKIN GO

[stoic lava]

Adding in just Purrugly, but not Delcatty contest when? (Note, simply to create fury, which may give the world a new source of renewable energy)

Though thinking about it, a contest to add in other Pokémon via fusion could be fun.

[silver merlin]

furry contest only

every person who makes a sprite for the contest gets banned

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-gif-24533171

[stoic lava]

Omg yes. Lol

Contest to reinforce the magic barrier that keeps certain companies from noticing the game. (Also, someone needs to poke twitch and give them a proper icon for the game so I don't just stream it with a blank no game symbol)

[grand tusk]

they say banned like they wouldn't instead invite the person to the secret staff-furry channel

dont let the mods trick you

[stoic lava]

Lol

[paper trench]

https://tenor.com/view/the-hangover-humor-laughs-gif-23091886

[hollow crow]

what is it

oopsies

[silver merlin]

:3

thou shall seeth

[hollow crow]

my discord didnt loadingj in fully

[grand tusk]

My idea where the loser of a contest has their spriter role removed and have to make 3 more to get it back

[hollow crow]

But theer can be 1 winner

[grand tusk]

its perfect, you get triple the sprites since people have to make a bunch more

and those 3 new ones aren't contest related so no issue with having to vote

[drifting wave]

wait, are contests gone for good, or was that a joke

[plush vale]

everybody who knew got banned 😔

[drifting wave]

[plucky arch]

blue, if we told you wed have to ban you

[drifting wave]

but... then... Don't tell me.

[thin dove]

i still like my "bad autogen destruction" contest idea

get rid of the ugliest autogens in the game

also don't encourage contests for a bad base

that's asking for problems, and is way too hyperspecific to even ask people to do

[blissful kindle]

Litteraly every Mawile autogen

Whose stupid idea was it to use the maw instead of the head on the head fusions

[umbral sedge]

Pungo contest

@thin dove likes this idea

[thin dove]

turn your location on i just wanna talk

[quartz locust]

I know Czechia is currently in the process of doing that, but apparently they have been since like 2003. 😂

At least it'll standardise a lot of contest payment exchange rates. 😅

[quartz locust]

Use both. 😛

[blissful kindle]

I do

[jade galleon]

Partition to add hoopa

[thick atlas]

denied

[silver merlin]

ill need to go to poland so i can keep a polish zloty for myself

i unironically have a soviet ruble

LOL

[near horizon]

I'm going in 4 days x)

[silver merlin]

which city

get me a zloty :3

[near horizon]

Lodz, probably will go to Krakow or Warsav too

[silver merlin]

hell yeah awesome

krakow should be a really nice city ive heard

[near horizon]

I'll be seeing my grandma and grandpa :)

[near horizon]

Yes, especially old town

[near horizon]

Nah, they're mines xD

[dapper rain]

Went to Krakow.

Pretty good.

Go to Zakopane, too.

[fringe mica]

i swear to god if theres a zekrom contest happening next ill flip a table

Xd

[dawn prairie]

nah it needs to be a palkia contest

[plucky arch]

i can say for sure that neither of those are happening next

[slow gyro]

Non If contest when?

[steel vortex]

Did you guys ever have a starter only contest? Or a 1st stage only?

[dawn prairie]

we're in the middle of a 1st stage only contest

[steel vortex]

I only recall the Jirachi contest which ended? Unless I missed the current one, dang

[cloud pulsar]

LC

[steel vortex]

LC? Oh Little cup?
Where's that happening :O I don't see polls or entries

[cloud pulsar]

is a #special-contest that started like a couple of months ago

and we are still going

[steel vortex]

OH

I see now, whoops xD

Hope it gets sorted out

[grand tusk]

ahahahaha, can't help but laugh at that

its so full of innocence

[plucky arch]

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-does-he-know-gif-26833694

[thin dove]

klinklang contest, bodies only

give me w h e e l s

[steel vortex]

I am definitely out of the loop xD
I've seen some cool Klinklang fusions!

[fierce flume]

Klinklang or riot

[slow gyro]

Imaging wanting a Klinklanklontest when the leader of that revolution (Husk) isn’t even in the server

[slow gyro]

This message was sent by the Klinklanghaters

[thin dove]

i don't want big robots though, i want stupid bodies

hmm...what else has never been in a contest...

blissey?

butterfree?

[slow gyro]

I want a Typhlosion contest

[dawn prairie]

Magmar sweep
https://youtu.be/xzMQ6dRknzo

[cloud solstice]

magikarp is on the list iir

[dawn prairie]

Actually i think the next contest is going to be a bit of trolling
Not a classic one

[slow gyro]

Sfx contest when?

[steel vortex]

What contests has there been? Or is there a list I can look at?

[fossil rain]

When is the net contest? I feel like im at the skill level to where I could get pretty far in one.

[fair citrus]

they happen every month from what ive noticed so wait for august :p

most likely in the latter half tho

[cloud pulsar]

can you image that the klinklanklontest happens and husk isnt even here to participate

[stiff valley]

wait rule 8 left the server ?

damn

[grand tusk]

I think he got rule 8'd

[cloud pulsar]

rule 8 actually

[stiff valley]

oof

[grand tusk]

Where is Husk? Is he safe? Is he alright?

[slow gyro]

||He got banned for a month and said that he probably won’t come back||

[grand tusk]

I was quoting Star Wars, but thats sad 😔

[fair citrus]

o7, we'll miss a great artist 🫡

[fringe mica]

rip now people will ask who that ralsei guy is on pins

[swift turret]

why was he banned, if I may ask?

[slow gyro]

Not sure tbh

[summer nebula]

I think they wanted to mute them for a month, but mutes can't be longer than two weeks, so the mods banned them instead

[swift turret]

omg... ok that is extreme as hell. Good on the mods for taking action

[summer nebula]

i'm probably making it sound worse than it actually was tbf

[slow gyro]

||Tbf I think Scrapi is quite rude in general and didn’t meant it, but yea||

[cloud pulsar]

spoiling the message is still against the rules btw

talk about it in dms

[slow gyro]

Talking about it isn’t against the rules, giving an opinion about it is

We’re just giving the facts

[rough talon]

well no, both are

i get that impression tho

i think it wouldve been best to dm those who were curious

[cloud pulsar]

[grand tusk]

Could always check with a mod, if you're ready to quickly delete those messages

[thick jolt]

w-what

[orchid mortar]

Green

[thin dove]

basically if someone is kicked from the server they're an unperson

[timid urchin]

First is Rush then its Husk, they are just after Team klinklang! Wake up people!

[quartz locust]

No, we wanted to ban him for a month. It had been a long time coming. 😅

And let's say no more on it now. 🙂

So how about those contests, am I right? 😄

[thin dove]

that sounds...gross.
yeah how's that bot coming along

LC4 when

[torpid osprey]

Can't wait to see what this month holds, sad I can't participate this time. But hey, next month is also good 🙂

[blissful kindle]

How about that non-IF contest am i right?

[stuck hare]

Wow, a message about the contest in contest general? Well I’ve never! What a concept

[random crypt]

next contest when

[quartz locust]

https://tenor.com/view/mad-pissed-off-anger-angry-fist-gif-17698178

[near horizon]

Is this a yes ?

[stuck hare]

I don't see a no

[severe trout]

I can’t wait for every non-IF sprite in the contest to be some variation of Hatsune Miku or popular anime character

[near horizon]

me who plan to make a servo skull from WH40K

Yeah... Totally popular anime character...

[cloud pulsar]

the whole server is against klinklang 😔

you might be next eumel

be careful

[timid urchin]

[near horizon]

Well, it's normal, we have better choices than gear pokemon

[cloud pulsar]

thats not what i meant

[timid urchin]

There is no better choice then gear pokemon

[fierce flume]

I wonder if there’s an easy way to find which Pokemon has the least amount of fusions

Contest for the forgotten

[timid urchin]

There was a chart for that in the old spritecharts channel I think

I remember that monferno, shieldon, vigoroth and slakoth were pretty low

[quartz locust]

There is, literally any choice. 😛

[timid urchin]

Well at least klinklang is better then klang and klink

[quartz locust]

I wouldn't say it is. 😂

[timid urchin]

🥲

[near horizon]

#1110705913574203402?

[fierce flume]

Awesome thank you!

[near horizon]

You're welcome :)

[fierce flume]

Who would you rather have a contest for?

Magmar is critically unloved

[near horizon]

Either magmar or vigoroth personally

[crude cedar]

Where is this

[near horizon]

If you go a little up in the conversation you'll find a link to a thread, the thread is about the website where he screenshot

[torpid osprey]

anyone but Magmar. I despise that butt head

[lament fiber]

Klang.

[open hatch]

I'd say Magmar is the one most criminal to be underserved out of those, it doesn't evolve again till a very high level so the player will see more of it compared to the others, plus it's the only gen 1 mon out of that set

[cloud solstice]

They are all middle evolutions uh?

I wonder if there are middle evos more popular than their pre-evo and their final evo

[steel vortex]

Ooo a middle evo contest!

[late sequoia]

A middle child awareness contest

[blissful kindle]

Braixen

[open hatch]

also Dewott, though I've never understood why tbh

[late sequoia]

Technically Pikachu for this game. It has more sprites done than both Pichu and Raichu

[primal iron]

I meaaaan....

I guess it's not a middle evo, but still

[cloud solstice]

Fair, but it's more that the middle evo tend to be forgotten x)

[primal iron]

Mhh, yeah true

[late sequoia]

Golbat and Crobat are pretty close, Crobat only has 3 more sprites done overall

Crobat: 355 (179/176)
Golbat: 352 (185/167)

[primal iron]

time to make some more goldbat sprites

[late sequoia]

Nevermind, Zubat has more than both. Missed it when checking 391 (197/194)

Still not too far ahead

[dull mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/klinkklang-pokemon-gif-18008890

[grand tusk]

good

[stiff valley]

WHATS THE MISSING ONE

I SWEAR-

[dawn prairie]

I think the mismagius was alted

[stiff valley]

aaaah yeah it's missing because kiwi didn't make the packs yet

but it's already done

[misty acorn]

this is a classic, team darkrai and clefable also ended up forgetting a mon until noticing a little while later

[grand tusk]

I love how team voltorb slammed through ball but bigger ball isn't even half done

[stiff valley]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-wanna-see-me-do-it-again-gif-14496504

[grand tusk]

yeah go do it again

[umbral sedge]

white name only contest when? No spriter allowed to to participate or vote

[fringe mica]

genesect

[dull mortar]

that'll teach those spriters

[umbral sedge]

whitenames rise up

[grand tusk]

alt account contest more like

[normal nebula]

arent people allowed to ask to not be spriters anymore? wouldnt everyone just do that, and then make 3 more spriters and become spriters again?

[blissful kindle]

Those that fail to get back their spriter role will have a surprise about their talent

[dull mortar]

rest in pieces me

[steel vortex]

Zamazenta isn't in the game xD

[dawn prairie]

Never unfortunately

Theyve hit the limit of pokemon

[low steeple]

i dont like it as much as zamazenta but i like it as well

[dawn prairie]

Nothing in gen 8 or 9 is in the game

[low steeple]

ok

[near horizon]

technically it's not missing, it have a megumin from Konosuba alt x)

[stuck hare]

why, has it become more difficult?

[blissful kindle]

(No absolutely not, buuuuuut some people don't deserve iiiiiit )

Thankfully everyone can improve, we're only human after all

[stuck hare]

hahaha

kinda mean but I accept it

[plucky arch]

in fact

being spriter is way easier to obtain nowadays

[stuck hare]

the true treasure is the improvement we made along the way

[blissful kindle]

True

[stuck hare]

dang, I must really suck then, it took me so looonggg

xD

[stuck hare]

but the real treasure is the improvement I made along the way 🫡

and the friends will maybe come

like

one day