other-pokemon-games

[maiden pivot]

and the main character mon

as I just learned, different cups Pikas also have their own types/abilities/movepools/etc

[lofty glade]

Huh!

Also I love how the low res seems to be making your rival's face worse and worse. 😂

[maiden pivot]

I really enjoyed such a nuzlocke, even tho it was painful here and there

[cunning parrot]

Hacker

[maiden pivot]

totally

[turbid horizon]

A lot of things differ between the various mediums of Pokémon canon

I need it to be known that Hugh, in his anime, game and manga adaptions at some point in each says "I'm about to unleash my rage"

Why.

Why is that the thing they were so DEAD SET ON INCLUDING?

THIS DBZ-WATCHING MOTHERFUCKER DELIVERS THE CRINGIEST LINE IN ALL UNIVERSES

This is the Pokémon universal constant

This is the Nexus point, not the firing of the ultimate weapon

Hugh said this shit and created a branching timeline

"I'm about to unleash my rage" honestly a good line to deliver when you need to go piss

[turbid horizon]

Always hated the Kabutops is Genesect theory

Especially with how adamant people who believe it are that it's true

We haven't seen Genesect's original form, and likely never will, but we know for a fact it never lived in water.

It's ability to construct hives with that stringy shit which solidifies into rock isn't something team Plasma gave them

And in the movie, the entire reason New Tork City is such a big deal is because the Genesect are confused due to the tall buildings reminding them of their home

But Kabutops theorists see that and they're like ah yes

What screams Large Stone Spire more than the CAMBRIAN EXPLOSION

But to be fair it's not the worst conclusion Pokémon fans have come to based on similar silhouettes? I feel like that's a running theme with theories and shit

People see something that vaguely resembles another pokemon, at a distance, if you squint, and suddenly that's the answer

[cunning parrot]

Epic

[cunning parrot]

Cubone = Kangaskhan/Charmander

[drifting relic]

what do you think it's based on then?

[turbid horizon]

Not anything we've seen, it reminds me more of an ant or termite, given its shape and creation of mounds/hives to live in

If I had to tie it to any existing Pokémon solely based on appearance, I'd say it's related to Scyther over Kabutops any day, but that's also a stretch

It just doesn't fit Kabutops at all. Typing, biology, it's all off

They just have similar body types

[drifting relic]

I did mean an animal it could be based on

but okidokie

[turbid horizon]

Yeah then I'd stand by ant/termite, as far as I'm aware they even have a sort of Queen system in the movie because I think the Red Genesect actually exerts some sort of control over the others? But I don't remember if that was a biological thing or just programming, it might not have been explicitly stated

I think people have also mentioned cockroaches and stuff like that which I guess makes enough sense also

[slow ferry]

I personally very much lean ant. That is a very hymenopteran thorax and abdomen.

[rain quarry]

If that's the case, I wonder if that makes whatever Genesect was an ancestor to Durant

I always assumed it was a roach or something, it's really up in the air though, the ant thing could be true

An interesting thing to note is that genesect is said to have existed 300 million years ago in its dex entries, which matches roaches, while ants are around 140 million years ago

[turbid horizon]

I think there are good arguments for both which in my opinion would make it a mix of the two. Cockroach matches the timeframe better but the movie feels like it established more ant/termite behaviour. Could easily be related to Durant.

It makes me wonder how much about Genesect was established solely for the movie. It very much felt like a movie which was mostly an excuse to make toys, but it went surprisingly hard in regards to Genesect lore

I mean how often do we get an actual reference for what any pokemon's home looks like, especially ancient ones?

[slow ferry]

FWIW for the cockroach/termite argument, termites are an evolutionary branch off the cockroach tree, having developed eusociality independently of hymenopterans. Presumably, as a development on pre-existing cockroach sociality, because they are incredibly social bugs. Mind, I don't know how much room to give that because that feels like a deeper cut than I trust anyone at GameFreak to know.

[west needle]

Wasn't genesect modified though? I thought the prehistoeic version was bug-only and the modification gave it the steel type + the ability with the discs

[rain quarry]

Well, yeah

The whole idea is that whatever Genesect was existed 300 million years ago, and I believe that he was a prehistoric roach

[west needle]

ahh I see

[rain quarry]

But he could be an ant too, or termite

Probably not Kabutops though, like a lot of people theorize

He could also just be some sort of weird mix, kinda like how Scizor's some weird hybrid of a mantis, mantid-fly, and a scorpion

[turbid horizon]

Cockroach/Termite would probably be my final answer then. I could definitely still see there being ant inspiration, but this just fits too well

Plus with New Tork City reminding them of home, that's more reminiscent of termite mounds than ant hills because those things are huge

[turbid horizon]

Hoennian Obstagoon would be cool but frankly can you fucking imagine it?

Belly drum/extreme speed with better stats?

Granted it probably wouldn't be an Obstagoon anyway

But I really like the idea of these branching evolutions, I just hope we get more like Perserker where it's not just tacked on at the end but actually replaces an existing Evo for a regional

[pine ingot]

I don't thnk Game freak care about Mawile cause they take its Mega away and Now look at Mawile poor thing

[lofty glade]

There was... I think the director that took over in Sun/Moon, they didn't like the idea of Megas at all so they worked hard to get rid of them. It's why so many Pokedex entries in Sun/Moon talk about how painful the transformation is, also why they aren't in Sword/Shield.

Just one guy's rotten opinion making life tough for the rest of us. lol

Except probably more complicated than that.

[turbid horizon]

Where does he live and what are his allergies

[weary pine]

y'all realize that megas depended on an entire alternate universe situation right

[west needle]

Doesn't really matter though because

1. they are cool and add a great deal of strategy to the gameplay
2. who cares about nerd lore shit like that

[turbid horizon]

It's only a theory that we're currently in a non-mega timeline, not canon

[lofty glade]

I forget if that was established during or after XY, it's the one games that I never bothered to play to completion because it felt lackluster compared to everything else. But yeah, they did go that route for ORAS, but they're still counted in the Sun/Moon Pokédex iirc so it's hard to say. 🤔

[turbid horizon]

As far as I'm aware

[lofty glade]

Yeah

So far only ORAS is confirmed to be an alt timeline

But again, I don't know the full story of XY, so I could be wrong.

[turbid horizon]

I mean it would be fair enough to say gen 6 onward is alternate to gen 5 backward

But even that's a stretch, and wouldn't put gen 8+ in a non-mega universe

[lofty glade]

Hmm, true. 🤔

My take on it is always that XY has its own localized thing where mega stones exist solely in that region, but there are other timelines (such as ORAS) where it spread more globally.

Thanks to the one machine that Mister One-Thousand Years used.

[subtle bridge]

Why does 10% zygarde have a b-hole and why does it glow?

[rigid pebble]

rocket boost for quick attack

[west needle]

Shart-defense for enemies approaching from behind

[shrewd furnace]

Mexican food.

[dull crow]

so like the stuff in pla

[dull crow]

doesn't get rid of that till 11%

[weary pine]

yeah so we have a new professor who looks like the gigachad and a pig name "le chonker" who has markings under its eyes making it look like it's crying laughing
i feel like memes are going to be a thing this time around and i'm really just stewing here not sure i'm happy about it

[umbral egret]

i already saw one where they have him in LeStonks

[cunning parrot]

#pokemon-winds-waves

[heavy agate]

looking at the convo here and uh

lots of games are canon to be in different universes??

every remake is literally in a different universe than the original

GSC Johto is not the same as HGSS Johto

UsUm and SuMo are very good examples

SuMo and Emerald are in different universes (more than one reason)

I loved when Pokemon introduced alternate timelines and dimensions cause it opened the door for so much

[eager spindle]

Hey does anyone know of any examples from any Pokemon media of examples from different species that are anomalously strong?
Think stuff like Black Tyranitar, or The Black Fog Haunter from the mangas
https://m.bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Black_Tyranitar
https://m.bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Black_Fog

[rain quarry]

There's the giant tentacruel from the anime

[west needle]

crystal onix?

[eager spindle]

Good suggestions.

I'm crowd sourcing across like a dozen servers hoping I'll hit somebody who knows of niche examples lol

[olive dagger]

Every game is in a completely different universe than an other
A copy of pokemon blue is in another universe of pokemon blue

[rain quarry]

Every copy of pokemon blue is personalized

[olive dagger]

You can have the exact same run but it will still be in a different universe

[turbid horizon]

Anime also has giant Dragonite (which frankly pisses me off because we didn't get Gigantamax Dragonite as a reference)

Red Genesect in the anime seems to be an actual leader that can control other Genesect instead of just a shiny palette

Oh!

Detective Pikachu had the mountain-sized Torterra

There's AZ Floette which may or may not be battle bonded, it's not implied but the colours match up to Ash Greninja

[olive dagger]

Anime also had the pink butterfree

[turbid horizon]

If we're counting every shiny there was also a shiny Druddigon

Which was an odd one to include given how God awful it's shiny is

My rough boy gets done dirty all the time

[rain quarry]

Well in the case of Pink Butterfree, that's not its shiny in-game. The anime just has a pink butterfree for some reason

[olive dagger]

And ash greninja is made from the trainer’s bond but if thats the case where’s ash pikachu that yellow rat been there day 1

[eager spindle]

Discounting shinies, I'm thinking entirely unique ones like the examples I gave

AZ's Floette is a good inclusion though

[turbid horizon]

Youngster Joey's ratata is in the top percentage of ratata

[eager spindle]

Yeah, but it's still just a normal Rattata. Doesn't look different, nor can it so anything a normal Rattata can't

[turbid horizon]

That's what Big Pokémon wants you to think.

[raw raft]

there is those "alpha" gengar, alakazam and jigglypuff in the anime too

[eager spindle]

Yeah, the weird tattooed one

[raw raft]

yes

[eager spindle]

Im almost certain the Manga has other examples, but with Bulbapedia down I can't skim though and look

[west needle]

Bulbapedia has fallen off

[indigo tusk]

Playing some fire red with randomized types, my team is... something

[lofty glade]

Lediaaaan~ ❤️

But also ooh a Celebi 👀

[indigo tusk]

this ledian is so op

it already has crab hammer at level 10

[lofty glade]

Oh god. lol

[finite prism]

Dragon pooch

Epic

[lofty glade]

These kinds of randomizers make me want to make type-variants to Pokémon.

Like an actual dragon Poochyena

[foggy ruin]

I may or may not do some of them as sprites for practice

[indigo tusk]

👀

[foggy ruin]

Like mew and ledian could be so cool

And dragon type poochyena is another level

[indigo tusk]

[finite prism]

Less gooo

Cute boy

[shrewd furnace]

What game is this?

[steady reef]

pokemon

[foggy ruin]

So sweet

Wait, is mew youre starter?

[indigo tusk]

Yep

[turbid horizon]

They should make shiny Pokémon more likely to breed shiny Pokémon

It would piss some people off but let's be real shiny Pokémon can't really get less special

They have bots on discord that can get you them in a minute tops

PLA was, as with many things, a step in the right direction

Because it made shiny hunting still take some time, but it didn't feel like it wasn't worth it

[west needle]

Shiny market is saturated anyway because of PoGO

[finite prism]

True

Pogo and legends made gts shinies easy to get

I remember back in the day when it was so hard that it was the biggest flex

[turbid horizon]

Y'know I can forgive battle bond being a one time thing in the games

Because I can see how it would be difficult to implement given what it is as a concept?

But the fact it never appeared in the anime again is fucking awful

That's the lamest shit

USE THE COOL CONCEPTS YOU COME UP WITH

The worst part is they did a sort of half-assed version with Pokémon Master Sex

Where the trainers have a suit which is designed after the Pokémon they use

But can you imagine how many cool looking Pokémon we could have gotten out of Battle Bond in the anime? They literally could have made it an anime gimmick and just implemented the specific Pokémon into the game afterwards like Ash Greninja

Just about everyone in the anime has an Ace

Frankly I'm astounded they HAVEN'T gone further with it

The fact they haven't made Red Charizard a thing is insane

I didn't think they had that much self restraint

[cunning parrot]

Red has all 3 Kanto starters

Also don’t encourage them to give Charizard even more forms

[olive dagger]

Adding on to this, greninja shouldn’t have even gotten the form since ash has a higher bond to pikachu, the yellow rodents thats been with him for years, but hes best pals with a frog he enslaved for months

[turbid horizon]

I mean yeah this too. Honestly they would have been better off with battle bond Pikachu being the only battle bond Pokémon anyway, because it's not impossible to argue that he and Pikachu would have a greater bond than any other Pokémon and trainer

With the amount of times they've fucking died and brought eachother back to life

[shrewd furnace]

Pokémon what now?

[cunning parrot]

And he just leaves Greninja behind

[turbid horizon]

Pokémon Master sEX

[hasty wyvern]

What game should i do a mono fighting game on

[night palm]

Pokemon IF

[hasty wyvern]

Thats a good idea thanks

[hasty wyvern]

im overwelmed and cant decide might do PLA

[turbid horizon]

PLA seems like a particularly odd one for monotype fighting, but not in a bad way

At most it could take a second to get to the machamps in the first area

[shrewd furnace]

How about Pokémon Xenoverse?

You can get a fighting-type route 1.

[foggy ruin]

In pokemon Insurgence, you litteraly can have a fighting type starter

[turbid horizon]

Yeah but the start of the game will be a pain in the ass with a mono fighting run

Even if you dodge most of the trainer battles

Delta Squirtle is the worst starter until it's fully evolved because the entire game is initially set up to kick it's ass

[foggy ruin]

Yeah, start would be the hardest part of entire run lmak

[turbid horizon]

Honestly even with a non-mono fighting I struggled

1st battle of route 1 has a machop and the only other Pokémon I found was a ghastly

[rain quarry]

This would still probably be better suited in #pokemon-winds-waves

[weary pine]

aw crap

forgot we were doing that

[pine ingot]

Hey I’m using a Volpix in the Pokémon game Pokémon: Winter Version... what level should I evolve it at? It’s currently lvl29

[weary pine]

Never.

Ninetales uggo. Become meguca and be smol fox forever.

[viral token]

This rom hack seems promising.

https://www.reddit.com/r/PokemonROMhacks/comments/ujvdg0/pokémon_ephemerald_a_full_regionalforme_romhack/

[drifting thunder]

how finished is it?

[west needle]

the sprites aren't too exciting sadly

Some have some good concepts though

[leaden kestrel]

its not like sprites define if a game is good
IF is an example 🚎

[west needle]

No but if you advertise with "382 brand new forms!"

and then your Persian is just a recolor

[leaden kestrel]

funny cat

[west needle]

I TAKE IT BACK

BEST GAME EVER

[spice warren]

yeah ephemerald is... subpar

~~play altered/amalgamagenta/get hyped for variablue instead ~~

[west needle]

amalgamagenta?

[drifting thunder]

seems like from their faq, it's finished except for post-game

[drifting thunder]

Yeah okay ephemerald is shit

I started with Torchic, the only damaging move it has is Astonish

It cant hit any of the wild pokemon ive encountered so far so I literally cant level up enough to beat the first battle with may

I’ve whited out twice so far and ive been playing for 5 minutes

[drowsy hearth]

Why did they give it Astonish?

[slow ferry]

A thorough lack of foresight.

Honestly that sounds like taking the Charmander angle of, "worse in the early game, better in the late game," to a whole 'nother level.

[olive dagger]

At this point just give a starter only splash and make one mandatory trainer before you can get a chance to get another

[drowsy hearth]

After seeing the sprites in Ephmerald, a lot of them are actually good.

Some of them of course could use more work.

[drifting thunder]

Torchic learned peck after leveling up once, so I just had to find a wild pokemon I could actually damage, then it wasnt an issue anymore, but that was still annoying. Ive played randomizers more balanced, lol

[shrewd furnace]

I suggest Fool's Gold.

[shrewd furnace]

Pretty sure Charmander was originally supposed to be hardmod in Pokémon, hence why it also has the worst stats out of all three starter.s

[drifting thunder]

Okay yeah this is so bad, I dont know what they were thinking. They put fences and ledges all over the routes leading to Rustboro city making them one-way, with no warning, so you literally cant even go back to the pokemon center. I barely made it there

idk if they just didnt playtest this at all or if its meant to be some obnoxious hard mode type hack

[turbid horizon]

Ground and steel are boring ass cheesy monotype team types

But you know what I hate more?

Fucking normal type mono teams

You'd expect them to be really cool and niche

But it's always mega Lopunny with Ditto

Which most of the time you won't be equipped to easily counter

[tropic ravine]

whats your favorite monotype set?

[turbid horizon]

Not sure but I like to base them off gym/monotype trainer teams from the games

I've got a dark type one based on the Brycenman team from BW2 which is actually pretty damn good

Really ground type monos aren't the worst it's mostly steel and water, rain teams tend to be worse than sandstorm teams for me

[dull crow]

what else ya gonna do, mega audino?

[turbid horizon]

Don't get me wrong it's an understandable strategy, running mono normal teams without them can be difficult

It's just that like

They seem to be one of the only common teams which you aren't prepared for, and one which making sure you ARE prepared for can actually be detrimental in most circumstances

If you build a team designed to play against a Ditto, you're fucked against 90% of the other teams you fight

And mega Lopunny is even worse with the fake-out and switch spam

Especially as, like I said, I'm working with a dark type team

[dull crow]

oh wait

mega kangashkan

duh

howd I forget

[turbid horizon]

Best thing against mega Lopunny is a fighting-resistant tank (nope) and some good priority moves (sucker punch is resisted)

In all fairness, by basing the team off something from the games, it does mean I can't use dark/ghost, which is kind of deliberately shooting me in the foot

But it doesn't make the combo any less difficult

[dull crow]

gotta wait for dat hisuian zoroark

[turbid horizon]

In fact, even my typical Strong Physical Attacker shutdown doesn't work

[dull crow]

meloettta is normal apparently

[turbid horizon]

Basically, the only bad Pokémon from Brycenman's team is Houndoom. I originally used it's mega, but without sun, it's way worse than Mega Sharpedo, but that left Houndoom in a really weak spot

So, I found a mixed set that uses focus sash essentially designed to take out set-up mon

The thing is, hidden power grass was really only functional when it had 4x super effectiveness, as usual dark pulse or fire blast did better against ground or water because they aren't a 60 power move that lacks stab

(the other move is sucker punch, just for that last hit after focus sash

Which led me to finding out Houndoom learns counter

So now this kinda bad Mon is one of the better ones on my team

[ornate marsh]

Can anyone remind me the name of that Pokémon emulator game where you are on an island and use Pokémon to build houses and farms etc?

[turbid horizon]

Pixelmon

[cunning parrot]

No, that’s a Minecraft mod

[finite prism]

playing an inclement emerald randomizer

eyoooo

[turbid horizon]

Ah, sorry

Tinker's Construct.

[finite prism]

route 101 encounter

this is gonna be my mvp

nice team so far

[olive dagger]

Bitch is naughty? Cool

[finite prism]

no, i'm bitch

helli is naughty tho

boop

ghost shellos ghost shellos

my game crashed

[dull crow]

Ik there was some stranded one or something that just got removed from pokecomunity dk what its about though

[lofty glade]

Bug, I love an underdog. <:3c

[weary forum]

How did you randomize it ? 👀

[finite prism]

HoodlumCallum did a video recently on how to do it

Just followed the tutorial

Now i just need to know if we can still change sprites or not

[weary forum]

Okays thx !

[finite prism]

squad on second attempt

lechonk is dark/poison with blaze
doggo is normal with hustle
sprigbunny is bug with lightingrod
giselle is ghost/poison with sticky hold
hat is psychic/electric with libero

fun team so far

oh yeah and i got all the starters basically lmao

went with scorbunny, encountered a tepig and a hatterene

the starters were scorbunny, tepig and hatena

[last cloud]

Well then

[west needle]

yooo thats hype

[last cloud]

HE LEARNED DRAGONCLAW ON LVL3

[west needle]

Chloroplast on a fire type

[last cloud]

LMAO

[west needle]

YOOOO

[last cloud]

I do have 3 fire types atm lmao

magnemite-psy-fire with levitate

[west needle]

Wait that ability is custom, right?

[last cloud]

i have no idea lel

I alaso got a carvana with shield dust as bug/fire

And for some reason my PSY-FIRE magnemite has WATER SHURIKEN as its starter move

[west needle]

man, randomizers are busted but so fun

[last cloud]

Rip. couldve had a swablu

[finite prism]

lmao

[last cloud]

are you nuzlocking?

[finite prism]

no

my fave mons died so i gave up

[last cloud]

Ahahah

my shinigami fairy duskull died in my first run

i made a copy of this one cause there are some fun mon early, ill normal run it if i lose this one

this is one bad back sprite btw lel

[finite prism]

lmao my cosmog looks like that too

i think mine is ground

[last cloud]

ye this one too

NO MY MAGNEMITE DIED

wiped

by a morgrem lvl 9

with dragon tail

lmao

normal run i tis

[finite prism]

the game is pretty challenging as it is

[last cloud]

got my impidimp again

rock type horsea

:(

[finite prism]

lmao the game is allowing me to change may's pokemon moveset

and now it evolved

and it learned secret sword

best game ever

[rain quarry]

This looks pretty interesting. Does it have the physical/special split in this game?

[finite prism]

yes

[last cloud]

yep

it sover emerald

[rain quarry]

Nice

[last cloud]

I got a snom

ALSO A GODDAMN FIRETYPE

[finite prism]

fire snom

fire snom

the nightmare of regular snom

also team magma is on steroids

[last cloud]

Got a dark typpe jangmo

Lmfao

my swablu is a ghost fight type

[west needle]

budget marshadow

[finite prism]

lmao was gonna say that

[last cloud]

this is gonna be tanky

[pine ingot]

happiny water yea

[finite prism]

i love how the game scales encounters to be around the same level as you so you don't have to grind as much

[finite prism]

eyooo why does he look so epic

and regular machamp

so cute

boo

only downside is being 4x weak to steel

@dense juniper

[dense juniper]

me

wait

send me everything i need to download that

and the colour swapper

how do i do that

[finite prism]

just found your final evo lmao

[finite prism]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvNNQ9FTPQE&t=0s

[dense juniper]

sendme

[finite prism]

everything is here

[dense juniper]

ok but the colour swp

oh ok

[finite prism]

steel katten kinda nice

[dense juniper]

aight i just need to download release.zip right

[finite prism]

yes

and the customizer

i can send you the link

[dense juniper]

yes please

[finite prism]

https://github.com/JWGerbenGB/Inclement-Emerald-Customizer/releases

for anyone that wants as well

lmao it looks normal

looks normal as well

yes pls

[finite prism]

lmao another one

looks like a shiny lmao

[spare mirage]

Pink weavile poggers

[finite prism]

@last cloud pinkingdra

[last cloud]

Hellyea

I started a normal run, keeping check of who is what is a bit eh xD

[finite prism]

you good bra?

[olive dagger]

He fought gengar too many times

[finite prism]

shiny dusclops

caught it

nice

[dull crow]

lol super luck

[dull crow]

that actually not an abra

[finite prism]

noooooooooooooo

[finite prism]

i hate this so much

i was fighting a team aqua admin in the hideout and i forgot to save

[steady reef]

?00 health

that thing hasn’t just fainted

it’s dead

[steady reef]

playing through black for the first time, gotta say

boy I missed out

[turbid horizon]

Monotype Nat Dex is shit today

It's just the same handful of Fighting, Flying and Steel type teams on repeat

Two of which are annoyingly good at countering my team and then also steel which is just good at fucking everything

[weary forum]

Thx again @finite prism eheh

Great hope for this one

[finite prism]

looks promising

[turbid horizon]

Zeraora

[dull crow]

Zoruora

necrozmuk

[viral token]

Yo, anyone play Pixelmon anymore?

[leaden kestrel]

i wish i had friends that did

so i could get back

but @west needle sucks

[viral token]

I'd be more than happy to play it with ya sometime.

[leaden kestrel]

unfortunately school is a thing

and my school period lasts 9 hours

[viral token]

that is most unfortunate.

[fallen knoll]

Anybody able to help me evolve my electabuzz in bdsp at the moment?

[weary forum]

Still needed ? I'm able to

[weary forum]

I really want to test it out, never did

[lavish citrus]

Who want to play pokemon brick bronze

[steady reef]

ah yes the roblox game that got copyright claimed

[lavish citrus]

Im playing a actual but copy

[raw raft]

Is the shiny celebi from that team rocket event real or is it always shiny?

[spare mirage]

Idk

[chrome heron]

wtf

[rain quarry]

Try #playthrough-talk or #fusions, this channels more for official pokemon games

[finite prism]

or other fangames

[turbid horizon]

A good example of dynamax being unfun BS is Dragonite

It just gets a free setup no matter what so unless you get good priority you're screwed

[west needle]

What's so special about Dragonite?

[olive dagger]

dragonite is a dragon

[west needle]

thank you

[turbid horizon]

Multiscale mostly

It gets the dragon dance off essentially no matter what

[west needle]

You can't dragon dance if you are dynamaxed

[turbid horizon]

From there they can dynamax, it's got a fuck ton of health, few reliable weaknesses, max airstream and max quake

[west needle]

Pretty sure there are better candidates to dynamax but I get what you mean

[turbid horizon]

I think there definitely are, it's just one of those Pokémon that completely fucks you if you don't have a hard counter for it

I think they should increase Triple Axel's accuracy by like... 5%

Personally I don't see why the first hit isn't 100% accurate, there's literally a chance you only hit once for 20 power

But there's probably a reason it misses easier so fuck it, 95% accurate

It's just like

Ice doesn't need more keeping it down

And what other Pokémon use triple axel? Tsareena? Doesn't scream op to me if it hits easier

Like sure it's a super strong move if it hits well, but there aren't a huge amount of good physical ice attacks I can think of

Icicle crash

Ice shard

And including triple axel I'm done with my list

[west needle]

It's important to not make multi hit attacks too good

[turbid horizon]

Job accomplished they are 80% bullshit and the 20% is skill link and triple axel

And I think the worst part of that is that for a long time Rock Blast was like

One of the recommended moves for Gigalith

Which ISN'T GOOD

That's a very good sign that Gigalith ain't great

Which is saddening

[turbid horizon]

Hammer arm is a stupid ass move

The accuracy choices on some attacks are brainless bs

Just lost a game because of a -10

It already slows you down for god's sake

[cunning parrot]

Get good

[dull crow]

its a 100 power move too

[fierce breach]

There’s way worse moves

like submission

80 power 80% accuracy and recoil damage

[olive dagger]

Silver wind

Poison gas

[turbid horizon]

Exactly, it's just another knock-off close combat like superpower

[dull crow]

nah I meant as opposed to being like 90

not every move is meant to be optimal

[raw raft]

Hey I need to do some trade evos in sword and shield, anyone wanna help?

[viral token]

X_X my PC power supply is dead. Can't use my PC at all right now. So now I play brilliant diamond.

[rough lintel]

Are There any competitive player?

[turbid horizon]

God I realised watching a Candyevie video that Hisuian Qwilfish is actually pretty scary

Intimidate, eviolite, only weak to ground

It's got good double-battle moves

[shell steeple]

Have you ever wondered what Pokémon is used to calculate base power?

How do you decide what Pokémon sets the standard for a move?

[turbid horizon]

Honestly they seem to favour high attack + high base power

They don't increase BP to bridge the power gap

Instead they aim to give the weaker types more status based moves

Which has its ups and downs

[turbid horizon]

Lycanroc isn't my favourite Pokémon but I do think it's gimmick was pretty cool

I like that they gave a route 1(?) Pokémon a gimmick reminiscent of the game's theme, you don't typically get that

[turbid horizon]

This is a really dumb niche idea

But I think moves like fly, dig, shadow force should interrupt drowsy

Is there a reason they should lore wise? No

But it'd add some extra incentive to two-turn moves

And anything that dunks on sleep spammers is a welcome development

[olive dagger]

dive cats

[cosmic jasper]

It would be better if you ould cancel a two-turn move by using protect

could*

[turbid horizon]

I mean protecting wouldn't stop someone from moving somewhere, which is what all two turn moves are

I don't know about y'all but

If I took off into the fucking sky

I think I'd stop being so sleepy

If I disappeared into the god damn nightmare dimension I wouldn't be like Nap Time

[cosmic jasper]

I know it wouldn't make sense, but still...

[cosmic jasper]

Well, yeah

[turbid horizon]

Better idea actually

If your Pokémon falls asleep during a two-turn move they faint immediately

Dig suffocates them, dive they drown (or sink so slow pressure pops them) fly they die from fall damage

Shadow force...

Giratina fucking eats them I guess

The only exception is sky drop

Which will faint both the flying Pokémon and the one it took with it

[cosmic jasper]

Wait so two-turn moves are worse?

They are already bad

[turbid horizon]

Exactly I've gone the opposite direction now

If you fall asleep during bounce you break your neck on the edge of the trampoline

[cosmic jasper]

But ther're already bad...

[cosmic jasper]

Lol

But they don't need a nerf

they're pretty bad already

[turbid horizon]

No that's why I'm in favour of them cancelling drowsy

Honestly there should be an ability which activates two turn moves in one turn

[cosmic jasper]

with ptotect, status moves and earthquake/surf/hurracane

[cosmic jasper]

Agreed

there is already skill link

which makes multi-hit moves jit the max amount

so It's not that weird

oh, and sun, and power herb too

[cunning parrot]

The closest thing I can think of is harsh sunlight making solar beam a one turn attack

[turbid horizon]

Also I think focus blast should get its field equivalent to rain for thunder and hurricane, it's such a shit move atm

[cosmic jasper]

Or power herb

[cunning parrot]

I was saying what I could think of though, and that wasn’t it

[turbid horizon]

Focus blast could be a guaranteed hit in sun I guess

I mean, clear day, clear mind, tranquility sort of deal

[cosmic jasper]

I, uh... was just saying something that made 2-turn moves hit in one turn, sorry if I made you mad or anything

[turbid horizon]

Add a bit more to sun teams because they don't seem wildly popular

[cosmic jasper]

Or I just picked the tone iuncorrectly

[turbid horizon]

I mean sun isn't a bad weather but like sandstorm and rain seem to be the cool kid picks

[cosmic jasper]

Sun is about as good as rain

[turbid horizon]

Failing that, people usually go for hail, because if you're gonna be special make it a challenge I suppose

[cosmic jasper]

It's just multi-purpose, because of grass types for solar beam/blade and synthesis and fire types for the fire boost and the water weakening

[turbid horizon]

Dire hit is crit chance I think

[cosmic jasper]

I mean dire jit 3

becuase it APPEARS on the same categpory as muscle band and wise glasses

hit*

so maybe it was different

[turbid horizon]

One of my favourite showdown gamemodes is random battle mayhem

But some of the base stat choices are absolutely ass

Basically everything gets scaled as close to 600 base stat as possible

And as a result Lycanroc has 300 speed

Because they don't just boost every stat to bring it to 600, they seem to boost specific ones

I mean Sharpedo has like 325 attack

Plus the abilities stack every time a new Pokémon is sent out

So Pokémon like Dubwool just become invincible

[pine ingot]

guys is relic castle safe

also should i get pokemon essnetials from there or there are other websites that are safe and offer essentials plus resources

[turbid horizon]

Why are Pokémon weakness charts layed out so fucking weirdly

"Steel X2 🤓🤓🤓" JUST SAY IT'S SUPER EFFECTIVE YOU FUCKING LOSER

I DON'T HAVE THE TIME

[shell steeple]

Dang bro

Cause saying super effective wouldn't fit in that box

Some just have colors for matchups, but the grid is the most efficient way

[turbid horizon]

I'm just saying it would be so much simpler if the charts were like
Type: ___
Effective:
Super effective:
Weak against:
Immune to:

I give NO SHITS if that's a bit longer

Because when it's 3am

And I need an answer

And I see 0.5 or whatever the shit

I'm done

Especially since like

I don't look up type charts to be like "oh I wonder what X does to Y"

I know that shit

I look them up because I want a list of every single type matchup against something

[shell steeple]

Just got to the wiki for that

[turbid horizon]

And the type charts as they are make it so difficult to look at they're layed out so weirdly

[shell steeple]

A chart is meant to convey the most info in a consise way

[turbid horizon]

I shouldn't have to though this knowledge should be just first result on Google, with its own neat little paragraph. Frankly at this point the fact Google hasn't made its own special thing for it is odd, that would be a great Pokémon anniversary thing.

[cosmic jasper]

The thing is, there are x4 super effective hits...

[turbid horizon]

Just a neat little Google dex

[cosmic jasper]

Like fire and steel are x4 weak against ground

[turbid horizon]

That's different, that's for dual types

[cosmic jasper]

Ah

[shell steeple]

That's a Google issue and not a chart one

[cosmic jasper]

I see

[shell steeple]

There's a site that has the matchups the way you want

[cosmic jasper]

You were reffering to individual types

[turbid horizon]

Im not saying the charts don't have a use, I'm saying that Google should spoon feed me the charts that make sense when I'm delirious

Any web browser should

[shell steeple]

You gotta be in the meta verse for that

[turbid horizon]

If I ask the internet what 1+2 is it doesn't say "well 1 is a single digit and 2 is two of those so let's go from there"

[smoky granite]

should I play radical red or infinite fusion next?

[spare mirage]

IF

[olive dagger]

IF

[shell steeple]

IF

[smoky granite]

radical red told me IF too LOL ig that decides it!

[indigo tusk]

👀 ow wow

[jovial cosmos]

I was gonna say why is that Chansey sprite so dark, but I assume you're using the palette randomsier? 😄

[turbid horizon]

Spore should be grass type

Sleep powder should be bug type

Spore makes sense as is, but bug sleep powder could be a slight buff for bug types

[turbid horizon]

I think all normal types just need like

A straight 50-100 boost to base stat

Aside from the obvious ones like Blissey and Slaking

But like

Stoutland would actually have potential if it was just a tiny bit better

And most normal types need a boost to whatever their main attacking stat is

[lucid ember]

My banger team in ROWE currently

Still gotta level up Cleric but god damn being able to search for Audino is SUCH a blessing

especially with the level scaling

[subtle bridge]

rowe? haven't heard bout that one

[turbid horizon]

I actually kinda love Cloyster, I have a soft spot for shell smash mon

They're in that position of OP where like you're probably not gonna fall for it, and you'll probably shut em down

But they're still super strong if they pull off the setup

I'd like it more if it didn't become a vagina though

Shelder definitely has the better design

[rain quarry]

I like cloyster. I wish it was horizontal like it's original sprite

[turbid horizon]

Yeah, honestly it's one of the few Pokémon I could excuse just being A Bit Bigger, More Detail

I think it should have stayed on its side and kept the tongue (I mean a tongue through an evil grin is a thing so it makes no sense to remove it)

[rain quarry]

Aside from the tongue and the horizontal thing I'd say it's fine enough. As someone who's sprited some Cloyster fusions I feel it's detailed enough. The grin with the tongue would be nice. The whole idea behind the tongue is because clams look like they have them when they stick their foot out, it's a neat design feature

Also, this ROWE game seems pretty interesting, open world hoenn sounds like a fun time

[lucid ember]

Yeah @rain quarry because they're interested

Rowe is basically Emerald on black tar heroin
It's got open world level scaling, difficulties, more than 12 different modes such as perfect IVs, Randomizer, No Healing, etc., Starter pokemon such as sandygast or a surprise me that gives you a random baby pokemon, every single pokemon added with emerald sprites, physical special split, an option to increase how fast the hp and exp bar goes up or down, megas, insane post game, travels to three different regions, etc.

it also buffs and nerfs certain pokemon, adds a dexnav, etc.

[rain quarry]

Ye I just downloaded it and played around for like 5 minutes, started in Pacifidlog town and I can just surf wherever I want, that's neat

[subtle bridge]

cool

I'll play

[lucid ember]

Explore the region in any order you want.
Following Pokémon
Tons of QoL Changes to get your team without having to Breed to get good Ivs/Abilities
Egg Move Tutor
Chose between 9 starters or get one randomly.
3 Different Game Difficulties – Easy, Normal, and Hard
Regional Music Options(Chose between Kanto, Johto, Hoenn, and Sinnoh Music)
Randomized Mode
Double Battle Mode(Every fight is a Double Battle)
Inverse Mode(Inverted type chart)
Perfect Ivs Mode(everything has 31 ivs)
No Evs mode(Nothing has evs)
Random Party Mode
Little Cup like mode
No need for HMs
In-Game Wonder Trades
Nature Mints
A way to change the Poke Balls of already caught Mons
Pokémon from all the 8 Gens
AutoRun Options
Up to 120 Tms
Physical/Special Split(This can be removed by an In-game Mode)
Daily Gym Leader Rematches
Level scaling based on your number of badges with an evolution system for both trainers and wild Pokémon
Re-Usable TMs
Mega Evolutions
Find rare Pokémon with the DexNav. (by ghoulslash’s)
Gen 8 Flying Taxis from the beginning. (by surskitty)
Name Rater, Move Reminder, Move Deleter and Iv checker on all the Pokémon Centers.
Decapitalized Text. (by Wyrserth and AsparagusEdu)
Press B to Surf faster. (by ghoulslash)
Pokémon Clover Soft Level Cap in Hard Mode (by PokémonCrazy)
Gen 7 Daycare System
A beautiful and useful Pokedex. (by TheXaman)
Gen 6 Exp.Share that you can always turn off (by Lunos)
Fly without the need of the move by having a Pokémon that could learn it in your party (by Buffelsaft)
Eon Flute
And more…

Very big list

But yeah, it's super fun

I'm doin a playthrough with three of my friends

[turbid horizon]

Big fan of uhhh

Poison being super effective against water

As a concept

But I also like ice being super effective against water

And honestly I don't think I'd like both?

Three weaknesses feels good for water

It's not water's fault that Nintendo screwed over grass

[shell steeple]

That would take away the use of freeze dry

Poison being strong against water could be cool tho

And water is super effective against it back

[turbid horizon]

Just make it do something else if ice was super effective

I don't think water should be super effective against poison, poison isn't exactly gunning for top type outside of toxic

I think poison being super effective against water and ice being neutral to water could be a good solution

Tackle those water/ground types a bit better

[turbid horizon]

Tbh new legendaries aren't necessarily my favourite

But legendary abilities have gotten way better and that's a lot more fitting than they were

I mean Drought and Drizzle in gen 3 was alright

But what the fuck is Teravolt?

What abilities are you gonna negate to make it a good ability

[fathom bramble]

this game is unbearable

not infinite fusions

[pine ingot]

oh hey been a while since ive seen someone play wack

[fathom bramble]

i went through all of heck with a level ten stando

i fought 10 trainers with level 80 pokemon

[shrewd furnace]

Never heard of it, how is it?

[pine ingot]

I mean i liked it

Its quite offensive and has mostly MS paint spritework (apart from the custom sprites)

But apart from that its very interesting considering it has like 40+ custom types and 3k pokemon

Idk if you will be able to find a download for it tho

The creator took it down last I checked

[shrewd furnace]

Ah.

[cunning parrot]

It’s basically a shitpost made into a Pokémon game

[slow ferry]

There's a certain threshold of effort at which you can no longer call yourself a shit post in my book. Pokemon Wack, by sheer breadth of nonsense, hits that threshold like a goddamn brick. It's not a shit post, it's just a fan game with a shitton of Pokemon and a preponderance of really bad Jew jokes.

[olive dagger]

When a 9 yo goes onto twitter and makes pokemon game

Because edgy = funny

[cunning parrot]

And edgy = cool

Pokémon Insurgence

[olive dagger]

Pokémon myass because offensive = funny

[steady reef]

pokemon clover because 4chan = funny

[turbid horizon]

To be fair it literally gives you the option at the start of the game to have no deaths, which is the edgiest part

[cunning parrot]

It’s still edgy incarnate

[turbid horizon]

Honestly the 4chan-ass edgy Nazi humour games are perpetually annoying because of how desperate Pokémon content creators are for content

You get genuinely decent poketubers being like "guys!! Pay attention to me!! Look how many fakemon this game has...!! Please don't look at the Holocaust jokes..."

[olive dagger]

no there's worse

snakewood

[turbid horizon]

God I remember that

It's just not a game style that handles gore well

Or at least it does better with short creepy pasta stories

Hypnos Lullaby and stuff like that was at least interesting

[pine ingot]

Right i would not call Wack a shitpost at all, too much effort went into making it

it probably started as a shitpost

as a whole I'm the type of player that skips most dialogue (only pay attention to directions for progress)

i dont give a damn about pokemon game story considering almost all pokemon games have the same story told a bit differently

i mainly play for the gameplay and the pokemon themselves

i like leveling up stuff to see how good it is

and Wack has alot of busted mons, its pretty much everything is busted so its balanced

lol

[olive dagger]

fangames always have the most busted mons

[drifting thunder]

A high effort shitpost is still a shitpost

[drifting thunder]

for some reason pokemon wilds took down their pokecommunity thread

idk if that means they're abandoning the project or what, cause the github is still being updated

[rain quarry]

Just checked their discord server, it seems it was taken down for the game's protection or something, and it's still being worked on just like normal

[drifting thunder]

I looked for their discord server and only found a minecraft server called pokewild, lol

[rain quarry]

Indeed. Here it is if you want it
https://discord.gg/nen9bX7v

[west needle]

What is Pokewilds?

[olive dagger]

Pokemon but more wild ig

[west needle]

nicfe

[subtle bridge]

minecraft X pokemon

[cunning parrot]

That’s called Pixelmon

[subtle bridge]

no because this plays like pokémon but has minecraft like things, so i geuss it would be Pokemon X minecraft

[dusk gyro]

assuming its not a mod but commands and shit

[pine ingot]

Just finished a Inclement Emerald randomizer run

It was pretty fun

[turbid horizon]

Honestly sturdy should survive explosion/self-destruct

I mean how op would that realistically be?

Maybe you get off a quick claw or some shit?

Two explosions? If you're lucky?

[cunning parrot]

It already does though?

Oh, you meant a sturdy Pokémon using explosion

And no it shouldn’t

[bold yarrow]

https://pokemon.fandom.com/wiki/Red_and_Blue_Rescue_Team_Quiz_Guide @molten tangle

you are quirky

[molten tangle]

Yeah I new the path but wanted to know if the result would still be the same

[cursive zinc]

the rattatas are killing me in 1 hit

[molten tangle]

And can you replace portraits?

[bold yarrow]

no

yeah @cursive zinc theres no reason why scyther should be leveling up so fast

weird

[cursive zinc]

and he has Pursuit now

[molten tangle]

Sad

[maiden pivot]

did you already pick your starter?

[steady edge]

Ello' people

What's oak been doing?
Collecting everyone's answers in the mystery dungeon quiz?

[cursive zinc]

Legs, the Geodude

[steady reef]

he will have legs eventually

unless that’s not how md works

[turbid horizon]

If I remember correctly you only get to evolve post game or something

[steady reef]

eventually

[cursive zinc]

it seems to me that the developers were doing it and after the game was over they remembered that pokemons evolve

[cursive zinc]

it's normal

[pine ingot]

Anyone play Pokémon Mystery Dungeon Rescue Team DX?

I need to be rescued

[bold yarrow]

how is the difficulty now?

[steady edge]

I'm gonna be real I read up on all the MD talk and still don't quite understand it

What were you doing with that graph, Oak?

[spare mirage]

Oak replaced all the starters with starters that represent users in IF

[vernal harness]

no slug.

[spare mirage]

F

[shell steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-eyes-school-soup-sad-soup-gif-14833269

No soup

[willow terrace]

(Trapinch for the win)

[spare mirage]

Lol

I need to play that eventually

[cunning parrot]

You were trying to cross the border, right? Walked right into that Imperial ambush, same as us, and that thief over there.

[turbid horizon]

I have what I think is an interesting question

What, to you, is The Pokémon Ever

Not the best

Not necessarily the most recognisable

What is the Pokémon you look at and go

"Yup! That is certainly a Pokémon!"

To me I think Gastrodon qualifies?

Bare bones design, but doesn't look bad

No one really has that much of a strong opinion of it in general

And it's sort of averagely good in game

I don't look at Gastrodon and get particularly excited

But I think when the day comes that I know I will never see Gastrodon again

I'm gonna be a little sad to see it go

[unique plank]

Garbodor

He exists, and at this point that’s enough for me

[turbid horizon]

This one is a very good call, perfect example

But on an unrelated note

IM JUST REALISING NOW THAT GEN 7 DOESN'T HAVE FOSSIL POKEMON???

WTF??

[maiden pivot]

as well as gen 2

[turbid horizon]

Kinda funny I guess

I like the image of some grumpy guy at Nintendo being in charge of fossils

And sometimes he just doesn't feel like it

[subtle bridge]

I mean the fossil guy did 3 in gen 1 and he did 4 in 8 so it balances out

[maiden pivot]

Well, they didn't give Flygon a mega form just cuz they couldn't come up with a cool design

Maybe it'll have a gimmick of gen 9

||if it's a 3 types gimmick, they can totally give it a third Bug type||

[subtle bridge]

The fossil guy ONLY does fosils don't blame this on him

[steady edge]

My image for "generic pokemon I don't care about" is sudowoodo

I dunno why since it's honestly far from generic in the usual sense

[turbid horizon]

No I see what you mean

It's certainly a Pokémon

Like you look at it and you're sure it's a Pokémon

[dull crow]

theres a reason for that actually

hawaii didn't exist back when non avian dinos , its all from (on that time scale) more recent volcanic activity

they are also all igneous which apparently aint great for fossils

[shell steeple]

I mean there are some avian, plant, and aquatic fossil mons

Didn't have to be dinosaurs

[turbid horizon]

Wouldn't that have just made it peak opportunity for Cambrian Explosionmon?

Unrelated but bottom line if you have a game where you're on your last Pokémon, you only live on like 4% health and win?

And you DONT say good game?

Go fuck yourself

No respect on showdown anymore

[unique plank]

There was respect on showdown?

[turbid horizon]

They beat me with a god damn Mach punch and they were burnt 😫

Bastard just dips, it was violating

[unique plank]

It really do be like that sometimes

https://tenor.com/view/i-dont-know-gif-18174494

[turbid horizon]

I think we as a community need to stop using hydro pump ever

I swear to god that thing is less accurate than 70 acc moves

Hasn't hit a day in my life

[restive ore]

If it’s not 100% it’s 1%

Or however the saying goes

[subtle bridge]

*50%

[umbral egret]

Xcom 90% to hit yet still miss

[turbid horizon]

Boycott hydro pump

At least fire blast has burn chance

[fierce breach]

musharna can learn these

interesting

[shrewd furnace]

If it's under 90% it's 50%

[fierce breach]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen8doublescustomgame-1608017476-1gliwdyipq7rusoa7chgfjpqtr5q8plpw do you ever just do a metronome battle against yourself out of boredom

pfft

they just traded abilities and then traded them back

unfortunately i do not remember how to do triples custom games

unless i use gen 6

lol

[fierce breach]

i think this type combo has no weakness

maybe i should name my teams lol

can arctozolt do it

(no it died)

[fierce breach]

mad spider

[tropic ravine]

anger point ariados, metronome klinklang

if this isnt hackmons cup i don't know what is

[fierce breach]

this is a metronome custom battle

[tropic ravine]

Fun

[fierce breach]

my klinklang has contraary

RIP stats

[olive dagger]

nice work

[fierce breach]

can ariados win

oh wait no it cant lol

[fierce breach]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen6triplescustomgame-1608542496-n65expy850pvmbwh2lo163p4x2tfd9npw

ariados gets angry and murders a lot of people

[tropic ravine]

my brain deleted chandelure from this image for some reason

[fierce breach]

lol

[turbid horizon]

I think given that they're literally cutting some moves from the games full stop, it's about time Pokémon properly reworked a bunch of moves instead of chucking them or doing tiny tweaks

For example, when has anyone EVER used embargo?

I'm not saying it's effects as they stand should become an ability

But the name itself is cool

And they should change it so it's actually worthwhile, whether in move form or transitioned into an ability

[dull crow]

embargo would specifically refer to stopping items though

[lavish fable]

ssup

[cunning parrot]

It seems to me that embargo works how a move called embargo should work

[shell steeple]

Embargo has seen some use in some of the lower tier formats

And on selective teams

But it's a pretty specialized move, I don't think it needs to do more

[fierce breach]

my friend found a salty person

[olive dagger]

Is he wrong tho

[fierce breach]

yes

my friend moved to america to get into college and stuff

so they do have a life

[olive dagger]

Good to know

[fierce breach]

time to spice up my metronome battle with myself

all the pokemon chosen are my favourite pokemon

what da deer doin

electrode does NOT like wigglytuff

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen6triplescustomgame-1609325570-0eih5g9i1ettc07muzkgcc8d2wuhaldpw

imprison in metronome battle goes brrr

[tropic ravine]

when the opponent has Competitive

[west needle]

LMAO seeing Wyrdeer in the corner like that makes it look like this is a shitpost

[raw raft]

So I found my old pokemon diamond cartridge and I noticed I haven't finished it. I am at the E4 and I am very under level

This is my team

Help

[turbid horizon]

Get good

But like past tense

[raw raft]

so what you are saying is to go back in time?

[fresh marten]

time to invent time travel

[raw raft]

dialga

[tropic ravine]

“prikken”??????

[raw raft]

Yes Prikken

I am Norwegian and I named it after my goldfish who had a dot on its fin

[dull crow]

it's diamond, have dialga help with that

[nocturne walrus]

Hello, what is the Debugger, I can't get the turbo and I can't get my save.

How to have my save ???

[fierce breach]

Best special movepool ever

The ultimate buzzwole set

[maiden pivot]

Throat Spray over Lefties for quicker SpAtk boost 😎

[turbid horizon]

I'll be real

Wish Milcery evolved into another milk based Pokémon

Love Milcery's design and Alcremie feels so basic in comparison

I know that sounds stupid when you look at them together but the way I see it like

Alcremie looks like a normal ass fairy confectionery Pokémon

Milcery is some weird floating fucking milk

And to me that's way more interesting

They should have done a three-option Evo. One which is More Milk, one which is Alcremie and one which is cheese

Or four with chocolate ig

Ooh I've got it

Alcremie, a Milkshake and a Chocolate one

Forget the cheese because that doesn't fit the sweet theme

Cheese Alcremie can be a Kalos regional

[fierce breach]

omg true

I forgot throat spray existed

[turbid horizon]

This isn't a hot take by any means, but I don't like how Pokémon meta for a while now has made fast heavy hitters stupidly good

There are a lot of slow Pokémon with not awful stats, but you lose half your health before you can set any stat boosts up, then die on the second turn

The only really good slow Pokémon are super bulky setters who aren't really made for dishing out damage, which is boring

In essence...

You should have given Druddigon a chance Game Freak

You left my boy behind

[dull crow]

the gen 8 stuff was just stupid for a ot of it, they way higher optimized stats than in the past, with uber high speed stuff that still gets crazy attack (eg cinderace) that also got an ability like libero and 2 moves including court change

drudiggon or haxorus shouldve been dual type

especially when we got a pure draogn pseudo next gen

[turbid horizon]

Very good point. Even fast Pokémon can temporarily tank, and get a free set up out of it too

[dull crow]

it got way hgiher attack than greninja was allowed to have

also see zacian vs zamazenta

where zamazenta is forced to split stats between dfenses

but zacian just gets to min max

[turbid horizon]

Imo, Haxorus should have been dragon/steel and a second pseudo legend, to balance out Hydreigon getting completely fucked over by the introduction of fairy types

[dull crow]

woulda been down for that, they sure treat it like one

[turbid horizon]

I actually don't think Druddigon should be dual type though, it's a very basic dragon, that's what I like about it

[dull crow]

if it was itd be dragon rock

[turbid horizon]

As I've said before, I look at Druddigon, I go "that sure is a dragon"

[dull crow]

its a bit gargoyle'y

[turbid horizon]

Yeah but honestly that's probably not any better

[dull crow]

it's less boring

anyways the monotpyes on both of em made both feel lack luster

[turbid horizon]

I don't mind it as dragon/rock, but I just prefer its base form as pure dragon. However I do think it should have gotten a mega with a dual type. That being said, I maybe wouldn't give it's mega rock for the simple fact that I don't like megas which add a second type just to do something that already made sense?

Like, Gyarados should be water/dragon

But if it's mega was water/dragon, that would be like... Too obvious

[dull crow]

eh def shouldve been

[turbid horizon]

Meanwhile, Ampharos is NOT a dragon type

[dull crow]

its leaves mega sharpedo way too redundant

[turbid horizon]

And it got dragon, which I like... Even if it's lame

I prefer megas which unveil some hidden power that you wouldn't expect

[dull crow]

eh

I prefer when they try to be x but more or in ways they couldnt be in base form, don't like when they take a sharp detour that is liable to alienate the people who loved em to begin with

like how the hoenn starter megas were done is dissapoitning to me

[turbid horizon]

Also I don't think rock adds enough benefit due to a poor selection of moves. It would get a stab stone edge, which would be good, but slow + inaccurate would be bad for it

[turbid horizon]

I kinda get that, but I think my preference lies somewhere in between. Not a big fan of super sharp detours, but I like the more unexpected ones that still make a degree of sense

[dull crow]

wish we just got one charizard mega that emphasized both aspects, they kina split what I woulda liked about it

also not afan of pure blue fire

[turbid horizon]

Yeah split Charizard was just lame

[dull crow]

ntm now he getsa ton of hate for it

also they just used x in all the marketing

[turbid horizon]

I think I like how Charizard X plays better though... Maybe not a popular opinion, because I know X is kinda the edgy 12 year old option, but I just prefer physical attackers for how they play

[dull crow]

oh sure

but hate how it went for this black and blue demon look

[turbid horizon]

Tough claws is a cool ability, I like dragon claw being a useful attack

[dull crow]

woulda liked like y but with x's head and a bit less slender body and arms

[turbid horizon]

I think the wings are the main drawback for me. Paired with the animation where he just... Floats there

[dull crow]

I mean gen 6 flying as a whole ( and as aresult onwards) is pretty problematic

also was wonky how sleek and bigger wings and scuh they made y and then it doesn't gain a single point of speed

like I get balance but feels weird having branching paths where one clearly has a partial agility focus designwise that isn't reflected at all

was also dum how vikavolt was uber slow despite descirption boasting its speed

[turbid horizon]

God I HATE vikavolt

I can't stand it

It's such a cool design

And it's the worst thing to use I don't understand why it's seen as good

It has to be sticky web

Sticky web makes anything viable

[dull crow]

it's not

was NU in sm untiered now

maybe it has something too it in double battles?

[turbid horizon]

Perhaps

[dull crow]

I do hope they ditch the stupidly broken legendary stuff in gen 9

we're cutting pokemon partially for balance proceeds to include a number of broken things

[turbid horizon]

I may have mentioned this before, but on the subject of a mega Druddigon I think Simple could have been a good ability for it. It would highlight it's nature of being a VERY basic dragon design and then dragon dance, it could actually escape its ass speed barrier, even if they don't buff speed with the mega

[dull crow]

on megas

nothing gen 5 onwards got a mega except audino

and diancie

[turbid horizon]

Tbh someone else said before that all legendaries should be equally busted and that's genuinely what I prefer

[dull crow]

I'm fine with stronger

just not zacian, mega ray strong

[turbid horizon]

If all legendaries were op, and just in a league of their own, they'd have a cool situation going on

[dull crow]

and maybe ghost rider

primal groudon and kyogre, sure

[turbid horizon]

Oh yeah it's BS. Gen 5 getting only one mega is ass, don't get me wrong, but gen 6 only getting one? What the hell is that?

[dull crow]

its because

[turbid horizon]

I guess I'd get it if it had been properly used as a balancing tool

But it was just a nostalgia tool for most Mons, which is sad

[dull crow]

they seemed to be focused on re viving stuff/nostalgia, also I'd assume they were holding on newer stuff till z which acutally never happened

also mega flygon :V

and dont like how they did mega garchomp

where it's a turn from fast boi and ends up worse

and woulda liked it kept a little bit of claw

prefer em as arm blades to axes

[turbid horizon]

Gen 5 had so many good mega opportunities that they'll never use because that entire generation is filled with slow Pokémon with decent attacking stats and average defense (plus kinda ass movesets on a lot of em)

Golurk was like primed and ready for a mega, it was even quite popular with the anime for some reason

[dull crow]

woulda liked mega tyrantrum

and designwise still not a fan of mega blaziken, wish theyd kept bases color scheme more

[turbid horizon]

The gen 6 fossils absolutely should have gotten megas

[dull crow]

also

still stupid tyrantrum couldnt even get a stab strong jaw move and dracovish ets one that doubles in power

-_-

I get it has rock head and head smash but that should be rampardos niche, strong jaw was its sig ability

[turbid horizon]

Mega launcher needs more diversity too

[dull crow]

eh

[turbid horizon]

Imo, Blastoise should have gotten dual steel, flash cannon should have gotten mega launcher compatibility

Alternatively, pull a strange one and make heal pulse stronger with mega launcher

Pull out a fucking support Clawitzer

"MEDIC!!" Hits you with my BIG gun

[dull crow]

heal pulse IS stronger with mega launcher

[turbid horizon]

It IS???

[dull crow]

75% instead

yeah

[turbid horizon]

Okay that's kinda cool

Not useful, god no

But cool

[dull crow]

apparently mega launcher would affect origin pulse if that was possible

[turbid horizon]

Huh, do you think they just have it hooked to anything with pulse in the name?

[dull crow]

well more thats the rule

[turbid horizon]

Seems weird that they'd account for a signature move unless it was a blanket thing