other-pokemon-games

[spice warren]

i think its more of a "buy the new one for the cool colors but if you really want to play it on the previous console, you can buy the game anyways"

that way people are baited into buying the gameboy color after realizing the game is cool but they want color too

or something

[plus, game still shows sparkles in gb mode, so]

[knotty void]

Yeah

Its actually og gb compatible

Since no one seems to have gotten it, here's the answer:
||Not all territories supported GB retro-compatibility, specifically the Korean version required GBC, because it needed more memory for the Korean character-set.||

[errant ocean]

So i essentially got groundon plakia & ho-oh kind of back to back in pokemon rumble world on the 3ds

[turbid horizon]

I think spinoff Pokémon games would have more success if Gamefreak wasn't stingy as fuck with transfering Pokémon between games

Can you imagine how popular the spinoffs would be because you get a special version of certain Pokémon just by playing them which can then be transferred to your mainline games?

Imagine the nostalgia factor possible with that shit

Mystery Dungeon is already beloved but I think people would love it more if you could copy Pokémon from there into your main games

And transferring from spinoffs would be a great solution to event legendaries being a pain in the ass

Oh you defeated the Genesect boss in Pokepark 3: Butthole Buddies?

Well now you get Genesect kid, congrats

It would be an amazing way to reward accomplishments in these spinoffs and it would help them feel less abandoned when they inevitably get left behind by the endless march of the main series

[rain quarry]

I wonder how they'd go about it with Mystery Dungeon since there aren't trainers and stuff

[turbid horizon]

I'd say maybe just a similar idea of you get a special variant of Pokémon based off bosses that you defeat in the game, and based off your player character/your partner Pokémon?

They wouldn't need to be like humanised when transferred to the mainline, but it could just be like an event Pokémon based on your mystery dungeon stuff. Just, crucially, without the context of annoying events

You just got finished with Mystery Dungeon: Spelunkers of Gravity?

And you wanna play the new main games, Pokémon Wind and Snowman?

Well now you can start it off with your friendly Munchlax partner, Ron

I guess the main draw is that this could theoretically allow for very strong Pokémon early in the games? But there are a million ways to fix that and if that's an issue in the first place then it's already present, because the transfer of strong Pokémon is already possible

[rain quarry]

Ah right. There is one example where they sorta did that, with the Manaphy Egg from pokemon rangers

[turbid horizon]

That is a very good example! Now imagine that with a Pokémon that people like and use!

And it wouldn't feel as scummy as say, the BDSP Darkrai thing in Legends Arceus? Because I'm not saying this is or should be the only way to get these Pokémon in the games you want

And it wouldn't just be an incentive to BUY a game, because any good Pokémon like legendaries wouldn't be influenced by just having the spinoff, it would be a reward for completing important parts of the game

Something you earn, not just splash cash on

[rain quarry]

I think having event stuff that you can earn rather than just get given through limited time events would be great yeah

Like instead of just "Enter code to recieve shiny metagross within the next week" it'd be nice if it were something like "Oh, I beat the new pokemon ranger game and get _ with its Hidden Ability? Neat"

[turbid horizon]

I mean, thinking on pokepark, you upgrade the Pokémon you play as the game progresses. But with this idea, once you've fully upgraded these protagonist Pokémon (such as the gen 5 starters in Pokepark 2) you could get the option to transfer a copy of them to a mainline game, which could be a way of getting a starter with a hidden ability, or perfect IVs (though frankly that system should be simple and easy without jumping through hoops)

[turbid horizon]

Exactly! Not only would it be rewarding, but it's perfect for young players without the know-how or ability to get Pokémon with hidden abilities or good stats

It would have been so cool as a kid to suddenly find out that I could get a super cool version of a Pokémon with a different ability, I'd have thought it was magic or something

Instead of it being poorly or not explained at all.

I always wondered why my Darmanitan never entered Zen Mode

[drifting thunder]

I was playing Pokemon Unbound and I was thinking "I'll try using some of these Gen 7+ mons I've never seen before." So I used a Salandit, and raised it a lot

then I was like "huh, it's taking a while for this thing to evolve. when does it evolve anyway?" and I looked it up

and god dammit it was male, I didnt know they only evolved while female

so I basically just raised up a useless junk mon

[rain quarry]

Ah, classic mistake

Tried that game out though the other day, seems pretty cool

Got an inkay with contrary, excited for my little squid monster

[drifting thunder]

it is pretty fun, but im stuck fighting Candice. My team is terrible for her. Need to either go grind or get really lucky

or fight her later. but I dont really want to, because it feels doable if everything goes right

[rain quarry]

Nice. Would that be Candice from dppt?

[drifting thunder]

yeah she's an optional battle

[rain quarry]

I see, I was wondering if they were gonna bring in official characters

[drifting thunder]

Aside from mentioning others in passing like Professor Oak or Bill, she's the first one I've noticed

[rain quarry]

Nice

[turbid horizon]

CANDICE D

CAN

CANDI

CJEO

DICK

[night palm]

Ye

[placid obsidian]

Pokemon Infinity, training to lv 20 on these.
Bug Mono run

First gym has a lv 20 Fearow ace

I'm fucked

xD

[floral thunder]

hi fucked

[floral thunder]

how about no

[dull crow]

don't suppose you can get a dwebble

[placid obsidian]

not at that point no

[dull crow]

get a temp 6th mon? shrug

[placid obsidian]

I'm training to lv 20

https://i.imgur.com/9RFoVCM.png

See

Already has vespiquen and swadloon

That nincada will give Ninjask and Shedinja

[dull crow]

ah right

though shedinja aint gonna help much vs a fearow

[placid obsidian]

I know

neither will the other options

unless.....

Wait, i might have an idea

[turbid horizon]

I'd rather have the Regis get a variant for each type before Eevee tbh, I find them more fun

[subtle bridge]

true

take the regipill

https://tenor.com/view/regirock-gif-18340779

[turbid horizon]

The way Pokémon Insurgence does Mega Haxorus is really interesting to me

Boosts attack, boosts defense, but actually lowers speed just a little

But by giving it weak armour, it's essentially allowing a 2x attack dragon dance if you get hit by a physical move

Not sure how I feel about it honestly, but it's definitely super interesting

It sounds really good on paper but baiting physical attacks can be countered really easily

I mean with perfect attack, that 2x boost gives you 1218 attack stat

[placid obsidian]

I'm not even sure which mega I used in insurgence anymore

[turbid horizon]

But the slightly lower speed may make the weak armour speed boost not even enough to outdo some of the faster attackers?

Honestly I was too tired to play Insurgence when I first tried but I think I'm gonna revisit it today

Picked the dark type delta Squirtle not realising that every motherfucker and their dog had fighting moves in the first few routes

And the closest thing I could find to help was a God damn ghastly

I think I might not go for mega Haxorus, because Delta Haxorus is tempting and that would allow me to use a different mega

But it definitely looks like a super fun game

[placid obsidian]

I mostly just boxed the starter

cause I don't care for the delta types

of the starters

at least

[subtle bridge]

Is it worth playing insurgence?

[floral thunder]

depends

wanna play something outdated

and cool concepts executed quite poorly

[subtle bridge]

so it's not very good. Gothcha

[floral thunder]

it's a product of it's time

it was good, but better things came out

also it has shit balancing

[subtle bridge]

ah, ok

[rain quarry]

The story's not that great either. But there is a rebalance mod called Detergent that apparently fixes alot of gameplay stuff. Never played it myself but alot of people seem to enjoy it

[subtle bridge]

from a quik skim of of the wiki the designs seem very cool.

[turbid horizon]

Tbh none of the delta starters appeal to me much

[placid obsidian]

my first run I had a boldore I was hellbent on keeping on my team

xD

[turbid horizon]

Gigalith is such a cool fucking Pokémon

[placid obsidian]

Even got some-one from the server to get me an early Eviolite

[subtle bridge]

this type 'something' doesn't seem ballanced at all. The dark on squirtle is nullified by the fairy on bulbasaur and he has a 4 times weakness, and also charmander is weak to both

[placid obsidian]

In my fusion game my starters will be

...hmmm, lemme find it

[subtle bridge]

and the final basestat are whack

[olive dagger]

Is that a fucking ninja turtle

[placid obsidian]

Grass/Rock, Fire/Steel, Water/ground

[subtle bridge]

yes

[turbid horizon]

Muddile and Tepron instant best Pokémon

[floral thunder]

said turtle cheeses every new moon battle

shit early game tho

[olive dagger]

Probably because you didn’t try hard enough

[rain quarry]

The fact you can't catch 90% of the deltas until postgame was the big letdown for me

[subtle bridge]

wow sick starters dude.

[turbid horizon]

The first Pokémon you face is a machop after you get the starter

[placid obsidian]

tbh, Insurgence is hard as nails until you get access to the EV-training and breeding

You're lowkey expected to teambuild

[subtle bridge]

wait so squirtle is even more unviable

[rain quarry]

I remember that the game literally gives you repeatable audino fights too yeah

[placid obsidian]

Yeah, for exp farming

[subtle bridge]

Seems cool if it gives you the tools

[placid obsidian]

yeah, it does

[turbid horizon]

Does anyone have any recommendations for Pokémon games? Preferably with new megas, regionals, fakemon, etc
also preferable would be easier EV and IV training and other fixes to stuff like that because that's the worst part of Pokémon games imo

[placid obsidian]

I had a Gyarados which was quite nice to use

[placid obsidian]

Pokemon Infinity

34 regional forms, 20-ish fakemon

And no need for ev-training, last I checked

[olive dagger]

Pokemon blue

Is cool

[placid obsidian]

until late game

[turbid horizon]

I checked out the wiki (which is really detailed tbh, good shit) and Pokémon infinity does look pretty good

[placid obsidian]

I'm doing a bug-type mono in it right now

[olive dagger]

Oh

I need to finish my mono steel

[turbid horizon]

I might check it out! Kinda less new stuff than I was looking for but it's not like I use all the new fakemon in a fan game anyway, it's just my greed

[placid obsidian]

I need to train my pokemon to lv 32 now

[subtle bridge]

I will also check it purly because of the new ??? type eevee

[floral thunder]

oh right
mega eevee is one of the most bullshit overpowered messes any pokemon fangame had the audacity of adding it

and it should be removed at all costs

[subtle bridge]

Huh

[placid obsidian]

what's that of?

Arkaos?

[subtle bridge]

yes

[placid obsidian]

Yeah, that thing isn't made for in-game use

more-so as a tough-as-nails boss monster

I mean, you can use it in game, but like, it wouldn't be fun to use it

[turbid horizon]

You seem to complain a lot about unbalanced things in fan games when the mainline games gave Greninja two opportunities to be super overpowered, then repeated one of them two generations later

Fan games having overpowered mechanics is one of the most authentic things about them

[floral thunder]

you think i didnt nerf gren to the ground?

[placid obsidian]

I remember the time when Spiritomb was considered broken

[floral thunder]

protean? whats that? get mold breaker instead bitch

and ash-gren does not exist

[turbid horizon]

Honestly Pokémon has NEVER been balanced. There was like a brief time in the middle where it was a tiny bit more balanced, and then it wasn't again

Gen 1 is a fucking catastrophe

[turbid horizon]

I mean that's just a boring way of doing things

[placid obsidian]

Pre-fairy type Spiritomb was something fierce

[turbid horizon]

Can't stand games that fix broken stuff with nerfs

[rain quarry]

Badass Demon Portal

[turbid horizon]

Way more fun if you fix it by buffing other things

[subtle bridge]

wrong franchise

[floral thunder]

aint adding gen7 garbage just for the AI to use

[placid obsidian]

The ports of diamond and pearl probably have fairy type in there, thus making it easier

[floral thunder]

espeically if i dislike said addition

[placid obsidian]

That's a fun post-game addition, doesn't take anything away from the main game

[subtle bridge]

I know, just thought it was a bit funny. Besides I sort of like digimon (designs)

[placid obsidian]

Ye

I'm putting myself through pain right now with this bug-mono I'm running

[olive dagger]

Just call Beelzebub

Sacrifice others for your goal

Works every time

[rain quarry]

Sigma male grindset

[turbid horizon]

Nerfing things to balance may work for some people but it's honestly one of the things I hate the most because it doesn't add anything to a game, it just takes away stuff people may have enjoyed (for better or for worse). It's part of why I find Overwatch so annoying. They completely reworked two unique characters (more than once) to make them more in line with the others and balanced.

I think Gamefreak needs to fix their balance by making things better.

Give Haxorus 600 base stat, give Ledian an evolution

Give Meganium a gun.

[floral thunder]

powercreep^2 lets goooo, totally a good choice

[turbid horizon]

Yup

I ain't gonna be satisfied until the lowest base stat total in the game is 720

[rain quarry]

eternamax sunkern

[turbid horizon]

I ain't in these games to obsess over balance. I only vaguely care about balance when I play Pokémon Showdown sometimes.

An obsession over perfecting the battle system so that everything works well all the time dilutes the enjoyable part of Pokémon: cool fucking magic animals

Were megas super balanced? Absolutely not

Are they the best gimmick alongside regional variants? Yes yes yes yes yes

[subtle bridge]

gunanium grass/steel
base stats
hp:80
attack: 82
defense:100
Sp.attack:82
Sp.def:100
speed:80
gun: 200

[turbid horizon]

How the HELL did you miss Megunium

[subtle bridge]

I may be stupid....

Now that I think about it adding a gun type would be balanced since certain pokemon already have bulletproof wich means there is a check in place for gun.

[turbid horizon]

Megunium, Ultra Emboar, Kanghazilla, mega Kanghazilla (parental bond now hits with 100% damage the second time)

[subtle bridge]

Give it a second kid, hits 3 times

Screw it make the kids regular khagaskhans

[turbid horizon]

Mega Kanghazilla has a Kanghazilla in its pouch which contains a Mega Kanghaskan in its pouch which contains a Kanghaskan in its pouch which contains a mega baby Kanghaskan in its pouch

They all get a hit

Imagine a fucking fake-out from that thing

Honestly I'm a believer that megas should have stayed a staple forever, in the way that regional variants seem to be doing (to be fair I don't think we've had more games with regionals than games with mega evolution, but I'm adamant regionals are here to stay both because of how beloved they are and also the fact it makes way less sense for them not to be present now than megas not being present)

Plus can you imagine how much designers at Gamefreak LOVE regionals compared to creating new Pokémon?

"what do we do for a new regional?"
"I dunno, give Charizard massive balls"
"Okay we can all go home"

[subtle bridge]

I think they stopped doing megas because
A: balance, the non legend part of ubers were almost all megas
B: It's more fun to design new concepts with old pokémon then old pokémon +

[placid obsidian]

I'll be designing megas like
Mega Torterra/Coallosal

[turbid horizon]

Y'know I was skeptical about Galarian Charmander and it's exclusive regional evolution Charsticle but I wouldn't trade them for anything

Damnit

Shoulda said Testizard

[turbid horizon]

I mean I understand that kind of? But honestly I think there were better ways to handle it than getting rid of them

Like, beedrill is worthless.

It is a useless Pokémon.

It's mega changed that.

I'd argue the only thing that needed to change to make megas better is that Pokémon in GENERAL need to be harder to sweep

And I don't think that's a mega exclusive issue

It is just HARD to build a team outside of the handful of objectively best Pokémon when Pokémon are so damn easy to kill

I like sweeping as much as the next guy, but there needs to be more solutions for it

Because I don't like how there are Pokémon that exist as "they set up one stat boost, and you lose by default"

Not just because you can make a mistake and let that happen, but because it discourages the use of any Pokémon that can't
A: tank the explosion of the sun
Or B: kill everything in one hit

Because if you have a Pokémon which is neither, and the aforementioned setup and sweep Pokémon comes in, you lose

[subtle bridge]

I agree with you, here are some pokémon that are ok ,bad or outclassed by so many other pokémon that needed megas:
all early bugs (except gen 5)
flygon
allmost all of the early route birds

[turbid horizon]

Gen 5 represent 🫦

Fucking LOVE gen 5 bugs

[subtle bridge]

gen 5 has the best bug , dark and ghost pokémon

[turbid horizon]

It's like Gamefreak went "okay enough fucking around"

[rain quarry]

The early game bugs for gen 5 are available much later than other regions too though, keep in mind

[subtle bridge]

second gym

[floral thunder]

leavanny is awful

scoli is based

[subtle bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/cap-doctor-meme-gif-23263243

[turbid horizon]

But I do completely agree, and I'm not saying megas in their current state don't have some major flaws but I think for how much the concept was worth, they should have tried harder to make the game work with them

[floral thunder]

leav can only sticky web support and you know it

[rain quarry]

Yeah, in most games its before even the first gym you can get your tiny caterpillar

[subtle bridge]

comp player detected, opnion : denied

[turbid horizon]

Leavanny is definitely the WORST gen 5 bug competitively? I think? But even then, it's better than just about any bug Pokémon before gen 5 off the top of my head. Maybe excluding Shuckle.

[rain quarry]

Any in general?

Because scizor exists

[floral thunder]

what are you going to do? try to use return just to get 0HK0ed by ember?

[turbid horizon]

Okay Scizor and Scyther are pretty good, I forgot about them

[subtle bridge]

Leavanny, scolipede,krookodile,scrafty, zoroark, excavalier, joltik,chandelure,accelgor, golurk,bisharp,hydreigon, volcorona and genesect.

[floral thunder]

accelgor lmao

150 speed is all i need

[subtle bridge]

No, I will enjoy the game and be friends with my pokémon

[turbid horizon]

Honestly I'd rate Escavalier below Leavanny because it's just fucking irritating to use

[cunning parrot]

Scolipede is my favorite gen 5 bug

[rain quarry]

Scolipede's great

[cunning parrot]

Is Durant any good?

[turbid horizon]

Good choice

[subtle bridge]

but you have to rate the design

[olive dagger]

Bad egg strongest pokemon ngl

[floral thunder]

hustle is quite good on it

[turbid horizon]

Durant is a scary Pokémon tbh

[cunning parrot]

I don’t remember what that ability is

[floral thunder]

free choice band

[turbid horizon]

If it gets hone claws up I get worried

[floral thunder]

but 0.8x acc

[turbid horizon]

Because it's certainly not slow

[olive dagger]

Gets truant

[cunning parrot]

I don’t remember which one that is

[floral thunder]

1.5x attack

[olive dagger]

Like slaking and slakoth

[cunning parrot]

And only able to use one move?

[floral thunder]

yeah but hustle is just 1.5x attack, drawback is 0.8acc

[olive dagger]

can only use a move every other turn

[olive dagger]

Thats gorilla tactics

[turbid horizon]

Entrainment Truant Durant is funny

[subtle bridge]

it can also be used as a gimmick with dugtrio.

[rain quarry]

Durant can pull off the entrainment truant too but that's not the best strategy long-term

[olive dagger]

Durant is a metal roach bug ant

[cunning parrot]

I look up Durant and it comes up with some lame sports player, obviously I wanna know about Pokémon geez

[rain quarry]

He's a True Ant

[turbid horizon]

Kevin Durant

[subtle bridge]

confession: I have never attempted or beaten a nuzlock before.

[rain quarry]

I got like half-way through one on soul silver but then I lost the cartridge

[cunning parrot]

You should if you want to make Pokémon more interesting and difficult

[rain quarry]

And eventually the DS too

[subtle bridge]

I feel that , I lost my platinum cartridge

[rain quarry]

Damn

[cunning parrot]

I “lost” my Omega Ruby cartridge (I’m certain a kid stole it)

[subtle bridge]

worst part, I still have the box

[turbid horizon]

I haven't attempted a nuzlocke because I don't like to reset mainline games usually and I've never been tempted enough to replay a ROM hack

But I might try one with BB2VW2 Redux

[cunning parrot]

Whenever I reset, o first trade over all my Pokémon to another game or Pokémon bank

Since I have a 3DS and DS

[rain quarry]

I wish I did that, I had a shiny Golbat on my Soul Silver copy and its lost forever now

[subtle bridge]

whats that

[cunning parrot]

And I have my brother’s games since he didn’t want them anymore

[turbid horizon]

Redux is like a fix of Blaze Black 2 / Volt White 2 which in itself is a fix for Black 2 White 2

[subtle bridge]

alright.

[turbid horizon]

I haven't played Redux yet but Blaze Black and Volt White 1 and 2 are really good ROM hacks

[floral thunder]

how many fixes can a rom get

[rain quarry]

Drayano's stuff is great

I've got Storm Silver on my phone

[floral thunder]

the buffs itself are quite lacking imo
normal/ghost banette is cool
you didnt need to cut down its hp to get +10 atk/spatk tho

[rain quarry]

With those things I don't usually care too much for the pokemon changes. Some of them are weird anyway, like Electric/Dark Luxray

[turbid horizon]

I didn't play Storm Silver because I realised the starter didn't come with its hidden ability like in BB/VW2

[rain quarry]

I ditched my starter anyway

I usually do

[turbid horizon]

Which is probably my only complaint about Drayano hacks?

I haven't seen any like

Ability switching stuff

[floral thunder]

pkhex

[turbid horizon]

Which sucks especially in gen 5 where the hidden abilities were so often the useful ones

[rain quarry]

I think some pokemon in those hacks do get new abilities, there's like a readme that goes through them iirc

[turbid horizon]

Though to be fair the emulator I use has hacks built in so I might take another run at it and see if I can get them that way

Growing up is realising that the "most common team" memes are all just your starter + all the Pokémon which are good without trying too hard

I love Conkeldurr, but was little me gonna use a Pokémon that slow when I could just get something that hits FIRST and kills Pokémon in one hit?

[rain quarry]

Whenever I play a pokemon game I try to use new pokemon each time

rn I'm playing unbound and I've got a Dewpider and an Inkay

[turbid horizon]

I try to be more unique nowadays but really PLA is the first game where I actually enjoy doing so

In other games there always has to be some sort of catch which makes a unique Pokémon bad

Unless you're Galarian Darmanitan

In which case you do nothing wrong ever

[rain quarry]

The mainline games are easy enough that you can get away with anything anyway. Even if a pokemon sucks there's not really anything that stops you from using it and stuff, people can sweep these games with Magikarps

[floral thunder]

fitting that a monkey pokemon has a monkey brain strat

lead gdarm
gdarm has choice scarf
uturn

[turbid horizon]

I still like my idea for the mega elemental monkeys. We need more monkey based ability puns

[rain quarry]

I wonder if they've done more popularity polls since the one where Simisear was dead last

[floral thunder]

that poll was incredibly funny

[turbid horizon]

The elemental monkeys have grown on me just through thinking about them a lot

But Simisear is definitely the worst

It's just UGLY

Like Simipour has a chilled out vibe which is kind of alright

[rain quarry]

Simisage has the Japanese Deliquent thing going on

[turbid horizon]

Simisage has a sort of exaggerated cool guy attitude which is goofy but at least makes for a half decent design

WHAT IS SIMISEAR

[rain quarry]

Fire monke

[turbid horizon]

WHY DOES HE LOOK LIKE THAT

Delinquent, Surfer and MAYBE STONER? I GUESS?

The elemental monkeys all smoke weed just at varying degrees of coolness

[rain quarry]

All three are just different types of potheads

[turbid horizon]

Honestly they could have been pretty threatening if they had like adaptability or something

Not great, but strong for early game Pokémon

And it's essentially better torrent, blaze and overgrowth

[rain quarry]

I really wish those abilities would just go away forever

And Swarm too

[turbid horizon]

Swarm at least doesn't make every starter boring as fuck

Like oh boy, this new starter has a cool hidden ability, too bad I actually want to play the fucking game

[floral thunder]

they need a tini tiny buff to make something interesting
maybe a 1.2x boost if they arent at low hp

[rain quarry]

Yeah its like, whats even the point of the damage boost if my pokemon's gonna die anyway

90% of the pokemon thatget these abilities aren't tanks either

[turbid horizon]

But it's even worse when a starter's best choice is torrent, blaze or overgrowth...

They couldn't even give Samurott WEAK armour it HAD to be shell armour

I don't care if it makes sense it's BAD

IT'S NOT A DEFENSE POKÉMON

It's good on mega Slowbro because mega Slowbro is ALREADY GOOD

[olive dagger]

Most of the starters got screwed over

[subtle bridge]

my boy greninja didn't

[olive dagger]

Every chance i have I always choose meganium since it’s the grass starter that gets nothing and i have a reason to box it later

[olive dagger]

Peep how i said most

The popular ones got z moves giga max mega evo special ability or regional form

And then there’s fennekin

And snivy

And piplup

3 most screwed over starters

[floral thunder]

what?

empo is the only steel/water mon (dumb decision btw)
snake has contrary
fenne is dead

[rain quarry]

Snivy's saving grace being a HA is the issue here that they're sorta getting at yeah

[subtle bridge]

from this we can conclude that gamefreaks favorite starters are: the gen 1 and 8 trios and greninja.

and also that bdsp should have had mega/dynamax/anything for the sinnoh trio

or legends arceus

[floral thunder]

if you want enough rom hackers will add all of those and more to bdsp

[subtle bridge]

yes but this is more of a critique on ilca dropping the ball with their first pokémon game

[floral thunder]

dont blame ilca

ilca tried

GF just said no

because they know ilca can actually make good games

[subtle bridge]

fair enough, but i also won't blame GF cause they were working on 4 or more games at the same time

[floral thunder]

i do

stop launching pokemon games like its CoD

[subtle bridge]

unlike cod the games are atleast different

[floral thunder]

different reskins

yeah

[subtle bridge]

no, each set of games are unique, the region ,the pokémon , etc. They all make a region feel unique even if the gameplay isn't

[olive dagger]

never knew contrary was a ability only the snake had

[subtle bridge]

malamar and the hard grass boss from sun and moon (or was usum?) also have contary

[olive dagger]

about as unique as the pikachu clones every gen

[olive dagger]

and shuckle

[subtle bridge]

rlly?

[olive dagger]

and spinda

and lurantis

[floral thunder]

shell smash contrary shuckle

lets go

[olive dagger]

you now do 0 damage

[floral thunder]

ew

[subtle bridge]

enamorus aswell acording to bulbapedia

[floral thunder]

we really are going 3d on all sprites

[olive dagger]

and then technically everyone with trace can get contrary

[subtle bridge]

wdym?

[floral thunder]

pixel sprites have more charm than these awful 3d ones
i know they are efficient, i still hate them

[turbid horizon]

I don't know where bulbapedia got all the PLA ability info from

[floral thunder]

diging up the code

they all have abilities, they just dont have effects iirc

[olive dagger]

they jailbroke the switch to dig into the pla code

[floral thunder]

unless regigigas

[olive dagger]

because fuck regigigas too op

[floral thunder]

because regigigas can never be used

[turbid horizon]

Contrary Enamorus may be pretty fucking strong in the main series

[olive dagger]

but lets give rayquaza a mega that doesnt require an item but gives strong flying stab move, totally balanced

[subtle bridge]

superpower???

or close combat

[olive dagger]

superpower would increase attack

close combat would make it tanky

[subtle bridge]

115 attack isn't bad

[olive dagger]

46 speed

[turbid horizon]

Honestly with all the super Powerful legendaries nowadays I say make Regigigas 700 base stat total

[olive dagger]

and then give it an ability that makes it unable to attack for 21 turns

[subtle bridge]

yikes it's signiture move boosts

[olive dagger]

so its balanced

[turbid horizon]

Which is bad for contrary that's weird

[rain quarry]

Enamorus currently doesn't seem to have moves that benefit from contrary

[olive dagger]

i think they just put some random ability on enamorus because it needed somehting

[subtle bridge]

to be a bit fair , the move pool was very limeted in pla

[rain quarry]

It also doesn't learn many moves in general rn so perhaps it'll change in the next gen yeah

[floral thunder]

let it stay that way

[subtle bridge]

maybe a good tank to counter/set up hail and sand if it gets defog, hail or sandstorm itself

[turbid horizon]

Is Pokémon Sage actually any good or is it just so overhyped that it shows up as the primary choice in Google searches for Pokémon fan games

[floral thunder]

it has cool mechanics
but dead game

[turbid horizon]

Honestly I don't typically go for the whole "play as ash Ketchum" thing with fan games but apparently Pokémon Fire Ash lets you visit every region from gen 1-7????

I'd assume that just means you have Kanto then you visit PARTS of other regions

But it says 50 gyms

So I'm not so sure about that

[subtle bridge]

50!!!!!

[turbid horizon]

APPARENTLY???

I wouldn't get excited though because like

How could it not be more popular if it was a good game?

Holy shit???

[subtle bridge]

I mean, maybe the story? Maybe you only get to use ashes pokémon? But both seem unlikely maybe just cause it's that long

[turbid horizon]

It says loosely based

So I doubt it forces you to use ashes Pokémon

It probably just supplies them to you

[subtle bridge]

true

[turbid horizon]

Fuck it, I'm downloading it

It's worth a shot at the very least

[subtle bridge]

fire ash awell, apparently it has / will have an online featre

[turbid horizon]

Okay but what the fuck is wrong with the beginning of insurgence

Literally the only complaint I have so far is how badly the trainers near the beginning chew your ass to shreds

You've gotta go through multiple caves, you barely have enough money for potions

Brutal

[subtle bridge]

sounds fufiling when you finnaly get through it though.

[turbid horizon]

Not yet

Because the exp share can only be bought at the third gym

And I'm level 20 without having done a single gym yet

There's obviously some very intentional pacing here, and I'm enjoying the setting

But I'm on NORMAL mode

[subtle bridge]

oh

[turbid horizon]

This would be a cake walk if I'd chosen the pink bulbasaur

[subtle bridge]

wich did you chose

[placid obsidian]

second gym has a mega beedrill

[turbid horizon]

Ninja turtle

Dark/fighting, but everything has fighting moves early on

And your rival gets the fairy/psychic bulbasaur

Currently my best strat moving forward is ghastly night shade, delta Wartortle with vacuum wave and my phanpy which I can farm items with pick up

But I don't wanna take on too many Mons because dear GOD I do not want to raise them without exp share

[floral thunder]

quick attack time

[cunning parrot]

Time for a new randomizer

[floral thunder]

gore

[cunning parrot]

OK

Also movesets and colors and evolutions are random

And I've now caught a Pokemon

I just noticed speed boost

Too bad it doesn't evolve in this game

My opponent has the nuzlocke Pokemon himself

[olive dagger]

Kill him

Make him fail his run

[turbid horizon]

Okay I've officially gotten to the part of Insurgence where you actually start to gain xp at a decent rate

Which is after the first gym

Around levels 26-30+

[floral thunder]

funni punch man

[turbid horizon]

Holy shit holy shit holy shit!!

Unova legends game

Unovan Tyranitar

Based on the crappy 1998 Godzilla film

The one where it's just Zilla

It looks nothing like Tyranitar and is weaker than its normal variant

[rain quarry]

That'd be funny but I'd hate one of the only non-dragon pseudos to get clowned on lol

[turbid horizon]

They probably could do a Unovan Tyranitar based on the more recent Godzilla films

As far as I'm aware those are all American made

And they aren't a disgrace

[rain quarry]

That'd be cool, make him all glowy and stuff

[turbid horizon]

Maybe rock/electric?

Kinda just feels like it's making a more authentic Godzilla than Tyranitar originally though

So maybe the rock typing would be better changed

[static breach]

is that detergent?

[rain quarry]

Electric/Dark would be cool, and so far the only other pokemon that has that type is morpeko so its basically there for the taking

[floral thunder]

indeed, but the funni punch man is for testing purposes for another game

[static breach]

ah i see

i thought that was a delta probo or something lol

[floral thunder]

if i can i will def make it a delta

but i need perms first

maybe i can get it in

[turbid horizon]

Having a Unovan Tyranitar could also be a strange but funny retcon to the existence of mecha Tyranitar in the BW2 films

Or at the very least, they could introduce a second one based on the Unovan one

And do a sequel film in the gen 5 revisit

[rain quarry]

Unovan Tyranitar vs Duraludon film

[turbid horizon]

I think it being a special attacker would be particularly cool

Don't know what it's ability would be though. Maybe electric surge? Sounds pretty strong with a pseudo legend but Tapu Koko is a legendary and it gets it

It might be better representative of Godzilla if it has an absorbing ability instead of an output ability though

[raw raft]

Wait what game is that?

[steady reef]

that's one of subjectively's mons

idk how it's already in essentials

[raw raft]

Yeah I was confused about that

[steady reef]

detergent is some stupid mod of insurgence

[raw raft]

Oh?

[steady reef]

don't think it's public though

[rain quarry]

This one?
https://www.pokecommunity.com/showthread.php?t=450131

[steady reef]

oh

[rain quarry]

Didn't overly enjoy Insurgence when I played it, like I got to the end and everything but it didn't feel like what it was hyped up to be. Maybe should try this version one day

[steady reef]

omggg cultists1!11!

socool

[rain quarry]

The story is really awkward but the fact that so much stuff is post-game locked is sad

[steady reef]

I enjoyed

definitely very uh

unique

if that's what you wanna call it

[rain quarry]

It is well-made

[steady reef]

true

[rain quarry]

You got it broski

[shrewd furnace]

A personal project?

[steady reef]

ponch

[turbid horizon]

From what I've played of Insurgence so far it's not a groundbreaking story

But once you're past the early difficulty (disclaimer I think I would have been better off if I'd chosen anyone but Squirtle) it gets quite fun

And you get to enjoy high levels early because of the pacing

My Wartortle is almost a Blastoise and I've completed one gym

[rain quarry]

I remember there not being much grinding too, yeah, so that is a plus

[turbid horizon]

Early on I definitely had to grind on shitty weak Pokémon to get past certain areas which stung without exp share

But again that's almost exclusively the fault of picking Squirtle

[rain quarry]

Yeah I chose Charmander

[turbid horizon]

There are... So many fairies early on...

And fighting moves

I think the HM system is very unique and despite the fact I haven't used it much yet, the mew system seems quite well made

Funnily enough, I think one of the main things it could do with is some sort of built in modern mode

[rain quarry]

It's interesting the mew stuff. You'll get more abilities later on but to spoil it a bit, they're not utilized often iirc

[turbid horizon]

Yeah I saw that

So far, not a perfect game but one of the best I've found so far for scratching the itch of "I want new shit"

I'll probably complete it and then move back onto Pokémon Infinity because from what I've played it's a really charming game

[rain quarry]

What's that one? I don't think I've heard of it

[turbid horizon]

I got it recommended to me by Nick

Currently it just seems like a bog standard Pokémon adventure but there's like a bunch of new regional pokemon and some fakemon

[rain quarry]

I see, nice

[turbid horizon]

Fire Ash also seems really interesting too but I might not get around to it for a while

The promise of every region from gens 1-7 is enough to at least be worth a shot, like holy shit

That's another thing I do really appreciate about Insurgence, building your team seems really streamlined

You've got an IV change system, EV systems, ability changing systems

[rain quarry]

iirc there's a sorta base-building system and you can buy trainers to place in it that'll give you EV teams to grind on, and Audino exp farm trainers too

[turbid horizon]

Yeah it sounds quite good

It annoys me that so many great fangames don't have fixes for that stuff

Or when they only fix some of it

Like what makes them go EV's? Gotta be fixed. Abilities? Gotta be fixed. But random ass IV's that do nothing but complicate shit and get in the WAY? Keeping those the same, love those

Especially since IVs are literally the HARDEST PART

Frankly you'd be better having a fixed IV system and EV training staying the same

And frankly, I don't get into most ROM hacks enough to do that stuff anyway! So it shouldn't upset me!

But it does!

I like to at least have the option of doing that stuff if I went deep in the paint enough with a game

Without having to go through the tedious BS that the main series chucks at you

[rain quarry]

I think most rom hacks/fangames don't bother because they don't have any online features, and outside of competitive IVs usually aren't a big deal

[turbid horizon]

Unrelated but I just realised that Water/Grass, Grass/Fire and Fire/Water all have three weaknesses each

And now I doubly want a generation with starters like that

It'd be nice to have a generation where grass isn't completely outclassed that isn't gen 5

[floral thunder]

nosepass but cool

[floral thunder]

and yes

[raw raft]

The game is nosepass but cool?

[floral thunder]

the game is detergent, but the nosepass is for another game

which doesn't have a proper name atm

[raw raft]

Ah ok

It's subjectivity's design and I don't think he has made a game

[floral thunder]

yes, the game in question is indeed trying to make mazah a real game

[steady reef]

he undoubtedly has some banger designs

[surreal blaze]

Anyone here have experience using the Ryujinx emulator? I'm trying to use it to play/stream PL:A but it's running at like 10 FPS. I don't need 60, but 30 sure would be nice. Any advice?

[turbid horizon]

Another thing I think proves modern Pokédex's are hyperbolic/inaccurate

I definitely think most "pollution Pokémon" are actually beneficial to the environment, or at least neutral

Because let's think logically here, all the pollution Pokémon actively eat/recycle waste

And also Enamorus exists

And it is known to violently attack anyone who harms the environment

If there were Pokémon that actively polluted the world, I don't think they'd survive long

You could make the argument that they're poison types, which she's weak too, but legendaries are a lot stronger lore wise and also I'm pretty sure she still beats Weezing regardless

[night palm]

who

[turbid horizon]

Got Delta Haxorus in Insurgence which is cool

But I have run into the issue of it not having dragon dance available

It's water/steel, with bullet punch and aqua jet available

So I think the ideal choice is bullet punch, aqua jet, swords dance

But I'm having trouble GETTING aqua jet because apparently only fraxure and axew learn it (there's no TM for it)

And it's not being given as an option from the move relearner

I'll maybe level it up some more because I've definitely had times in the past where move relearners hold out on stuff until I've reached a certain level which seems weird but it's fine

If not I guess I'll go waterfall

But Insurgence, good game so far

Literally my main critique would be that the battles make me wanna shit

I've at least reached a point of being able to sweep most people

But I think I nearly got softlocked in the Rayquaza fight because if you lose and get sent back to the Chansey your rival is blocking the only exit??? Weird

[night palm]

shiny heliolisk

[turbid horizon]

I wish genwunners didn't ruin gen 1 so bad because honestly I actually find Kanto super interesting from a lore perspective despite the fact that it will never be integrated ever again without me kinda rolling my eyes

Because on its own, Kanto is sort of definitively the weakest region. Of course from a gameplay that's because it's the first but like

Kanto has no dragon of space and time. It wasn't ruled by a pair of heroes who decimated their kingdom over a dispute. Kanto wasn't hit by an ultimate weapon, or nearly destroyed by physical manifestations of climate change

[night palm]

same

[turbid horizon]

At most, Kanto had some birds. One of the least common legendaries given that they literally have regional variants

And Mewtwo, a creation of man

[night palm]

I find gen 1 the most enjoyable

[turbid horizon]

Oh course Soul Silver and Heart Gold ended up lore wise giving Kanto access to newer Pokémon but like

There is a certain endearing quality to a sort of unremarkable region with very few Pokémon

As much as the obsession with Kanto that Gamefreak and a lot of the fandom has pisses me off, I like to think about it's implications in-universe

Hell it's no wonder the most famous trainers from Kanto left, what the hell is there to do there compared to other regions?

And maybe it's unremarkableness is just what made it so popular for sketchy characters

I mean, outside of his multiversal gaslighter glowup in USUM, do you expect me to believe Giovanni would stand a chance competing against other regions' evil teams?

Team Rocket would get its ass handed to it by most other places

So of course they would find success in Kanto, somewhere with no major legendaries to draw too much attention

Which was later able to expand their reach into Johto

And the creation of Mewtwo was obviously a major event for its time, even if Team Plasma did something similar years later

So why wouldn't you hide those experiments away in a region where people aren't prepared for the worst at all times?

I mean, anywhere is better than Unova right?

Kanto has some somewhat active police that Unova lacks but like

At least it's gym leaders aren't vigilante crime fighters

I'd rather battle the teenage Swimmer than the guy of indeterminate age with an exercise regime many times more intensive than Saitama

Kanto is perfect. Unassuming.

In conclusion, I am very tired and it is half 3 in the morning.

[heavy agate]

gauntlet done...

[shrewd furnace]

I fail to see how genwunners are responsible for this?

It's just Gamefreak trying to appeal to a vanishing audience.

[turbid horizon]

Because genwunners are famously insufferable people who nitpick and insult the newer generations

[turbid horizon]

It's obviously too late now because of how ingrained Fighting Beats Rock is in everyone's minds

But personally I'd have done ice, grass, water, ground if it had to have 4 weaknesses

Because then it's just all the erosional processes

[cunning parrot]

Breaking rocks with their fists is one of the most common cliches for martial artists, and beating steel kinda is an extension of that

[rain quarry]

I have a few ideas for some Ice tweaking

• Make Ice strong against water, and have it resist it too (Ice freezes water. While water can melt/erode ice, this would work fine enough, most children get the concept, and water only has 2 weaknesses anyway)
• Make Ice resist normal (Following the same logic as rock and steel)
• Make it neutral against Grass (Frost does kill leaves but there's plenty of plants that survive winter, this would buff grass which is another type that struggles a bit)

This would mean Ice resists itself and 2 other types, I think this would give it reasonable defensive footing without removing the idea of it being a glass cannon type and changing it too much, and it wouldn't make already strong ice types into something unstoppable

[subtle bridge]

I think you're on to something because freeze dry is one of the best ice moves

[rain quarry]

ye, if Ice were to be super effective against water, that move would have to be changed though since it becomes redundant

perhaps it could be reworked so it's strong against grass instead, since freeze-drying plants dehydrates and kills them. idk, that part I didn't think about too much

I've said before that the problem with Ice isn't neccesarily its typing but rather the pokemon themselves, so its not like these would be neccesary changes. But I suppose if I were to try and change the typing that's how I'd go about it atleast

[turbid horizon]

I'm not sure about resisting water but those sound like really solid changes. I think there could be other types for it to resist that would work better

Ground comes to mind. Ice/Steel is kind of explicitly awful, and the Pokémon that has that typing is slow

Which seems to be a running theme with bad ice dual typings

[glass goblet]

I would made Poison strong against water or ground, and maybe Grass resist Fairy (Fairys are usually related to Nature)

[turbid horizon]

You know what's annoying about Enamorus' design?

When people draw her, they just like

Slightly widen her chest

Not give her boobs

But like

They slightly widen, at the sides, the top of her torso

AND SHE IMMEDIATELY LOOKS

100X BETTER

WHY DID THEY GIVE THE OTHERS HUMAN TORSOS

THEN HAVE HERS WEIRDLY TAPER OFF AT THE TOP?

LIKE SHE GETS SLIMMER THE FURTHER YOU GO UP?

[lofty glade]

Her body is slightly shaped like a snake until she transforms. It's like they gave her more of an animal appearance than the others... ironic considering it's her head/face that's most human-like. lol

[turbid horizon]

A thing they didn't have to do because she doesn't even relate to snakes. Her tail vaguely looks like one, and that's it.

I'm a believer that no female Pokémon should be given breasts unless it's like some sort of explicit mammal because cows deserve udders

That being said, had they added them to Enamorus, they would have made her upper torso more human to accommodate

And we can all be haunted by and weep at the fact that Game Freak managed to create a Pokémon who's design would have been better with boobs

In closing, it is 2am, and I am tired, and as correct as I am, I have managed to find myself back on the topic of pokeboobs

[buoyant lark]

Hey
I've been thinking on starting my very first Professor Oaks Challenge

If you don't know what that is, it's when you catch and fully evolve every Pokémon before you obtain the badges before them

[cunning parrot]

Seems monotonous and easy mode

[shrewd furnace]

Actually, her origin is very much snake-related.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=500VicX0DGk

[rare trout]

based gnoggin enjoyer

[cunning parrot]

She looks better in that thumbnail even, maybe because of the smaller lips

[turbid horizon]

V-Create Rayquaza was such a fucking weird event

I kinda like the idea of legendaries accessing one another's moves? I guess?

But who decided on V-Create of all things?

[cunning parrot]

And Smogon has it on like every Rayquaza moveset since, despite how unlikely it would be to actually have one with that move and all the competitive stats you want

[shrewd furnace]

You know, with a V, X Y and Z based Pokémon, I niw want a W based one.

[raw raft]

i want pokemon æ ø å

[turbid horizon]

When genwunners tell me Garbodor is a bad design

[rain quarry]

I remember back when gen 5 came out it wasn't even just genwunners, everyone hated Garbodor and Vanillite, its funny to think those games are reguarded as the series peak now

[turbid horizon]

For real, the hate back when they were still fresh was insane, it's weird how easily it got swept under the rug

I mean I'd personally argue that Vanniluxe and Gardodor are more original and even make more sense than designs like Dragonite

Why does it become large, orange and bipedal all of a sudden?

[rain quarry]

I like gen 1's designs, but yeah it was clear at that point they were still stuck in the mould of a generic rpg, like you've got your slimes, your dragons, your mimics, the healing items are potions, etc etc

[lofty glade]

I remember reading somewhere that at one point Dragonite was supposed to be Charmander’s final evo, but it wound up getting changed at some point. Granted, this is a now sourceless half-remembrance since I don’t remember where or when I heard this from, but it’s the thought I like to entertain. lol

[rain quarry]

I imagine that's not the case. I've heard similar stories with like, Venomoth and Butterfree, but the charizard one doesn't seem as likely

[turbid horizon]

Ducklet so good they did it twice

[night palm]

I'm saving that

[turbid horizon]

Gamefreak could probably entice me with a Pokémon spinoff like Mystery Dungeon or Pokepark where you play as a mythical/legendary Pokémon

Preferably on the level of like anime legendaries, at least eventually

Some proper large-scale legendary battles

Or even just sweeping through hordes of strong Pokémon

Though tbf I'd settle for a pseudo legendary, or any fully evolved Pokémon

Whenever you get to play as a Pokémon you just end up being like

"look at this really strong cyndaquil!!"

But when are we getting the fully open world metagross game

Huh??

[subtle bridge]

That sounds so cool

[turbid horizon]

I mean tbh

The legendary roster would make a pretty sweet fighting game

[slow ferry]

Its a meme from Dragonair copers who hypothesize that the final evo was supposed to be Gyarados, who is both blue and serpentine like they are unlike Dragonite. This ignores the fact that Gyarados is a very specific cultural reference, and that both evolutions have the heads of their previous forms.

It's 110% copium from before we had that term.

[lofty glade]

Gyarados I’m not sure on, but they do them I suppose. lol

But I see what you’re saying and I guess that makes sense. 🤔

[elfin iris]

I'm thinking about a Pokemon Warriors game now. Not sure if that awesome or really bad tbf.

[turbid horizon]

It's bad that I wanna say an Overwatch-style Pokémon game

I know First Person Shooters are overdone, often bad nowadays and kinda go against Pokémon as a concept

But ability-based shooters like overwatch and Garden Warfare are sooooo fucking fun

I'd love a garden warfare style game where you have entire teams of Pokémon flocking between points beating the shit out of eachother

The only issue I could see is it possibly being filled with tons of microtransactions. Y'know, like any garden warfare game after the first one.

Because Pokémon has a mixed history with that stuff

[rain quarry]

It'd be interesting to see what pokemon they'd have to choose for something like that, because unlike say, a moba, you can't have a pokemon whose body is too abstract because they'd be confusing to actually shoot at

[turbid horizon]

Unite for example. I don't personally find it hard to get new characters but skins aren't really unlockable unless they give out a free-be or you buy them

Though, in fairness, this hypothetical shooter wouldn't be a free game, so there's that

[rain quarry]

$60 with $120 limited edition preorder

[turbid horizon]

I do think it would impose an interesting design challenge but that I would argue is what could make the concept unique!

In fact, the game might even take the term shooter very loosely

Because so many Pokémon are physical attackers, and it would be a waste to just ignore them and/or give them a gun or some dumb shit

Which I think is where the Overwatch inspo comes in more (or, I suppose, Chomper in Garden Warfare)

Because I really love the idea of melee characters in "shooter" games but they often aren't executed well

Imagine trying to chip away at a Conkeldurr just power striding towards you

[rain quarry]

Melee characters in shooters can work, TF2 has like the swords for the Demoman and stuff. Something without range would need either enough mobility to close the gap or enough defence to tank being shot at

[turbid horizon]

Most physical Pokémon would definitely fit tank roles but I think there are definitely ones that would work without being tanks

Lucario could be a mixed attacker, which you don't see much in shooters with melee (I know Doomfist and the like has an ability to shoot, but it's not what he's built around)

Pokémon like Scizor may only be slightly bulky, but bullet punch being a very fast dash attack to engage opponents makes a lot of sense

God what I wouldn't give to play Golurk in a game like that

Probably a tank just because of the sheer size but can you imagine a rocket flight ability on something that big and slow?

[rain quarry]

Well for games like that you don't have to take actual stats into account. Golurk could totally be a ranged character

[turbid horizon]

It could but it's just my personal taste that I don't like deviating extremely far from what stats would dictate in the main series, everyone has a preference though

That being said, the anime has one turn into a cannon

Which could definitely be a tank "ultimate" ability

[rain quarry]

The Sw/Sh pokedex even says it can fire lasers

[turbid horizon]

As far as abilities go i guess they'd probably be rigid like Overwatch? I like garden warfare and it's multiple-ability system where you have multiple options per character, which might work for multiple Pokémon moves

But the issue is, garden warfare abilities stay pretty similar even when changed, as to make not knowing more balanced

It might be unfair to have moves which are vastly different be able to take up the same slot

Going back to Golurk, say you had earthquake as an aoe attack, dynamic punch as a strong stunning ability

If those were in the same slot it would be impossible to plan for what's coming because those are very different situations

That being said, it could be remedied by just using similar moves

i.e. instead of Dynamic Punch or Earthquake, Bulldoze or Earthquake. Earthquake is stronger but doesn't slow opponents, but still has vaguely the same attack style.

[rain quarry]

If you've ever played Risk of Rain 2, I could imagine the moveslots working like that where each ability has a similar alternative that changes their attacks slightly

[turbid horizon]

I haven't played that, but that idea does sound similar to Garden Warfare

Still, even the ability to slightly change would massively dictate how the game works

It would definitely move it away from the Overwatch style more (which isn't necessarily a bad thing, just noteable)

Honestly y'know what sounds like a lot of fun for an FPS Pokémon game?

Galvantula

It would definitely make use of the non-humanoid body stuff

Sticky web could either act as a set trap or an applied stun (maybe that could be the difference, sticky web or string shot?) And a somewhat quick special attacker would be pretty cool

Electrode would definitely be a laugh

[rain quarry]

Mr. Mime could act as a support

[turbid horizon]

Oh my God can you imagine how fun trapping people in corners would be?

Like a Mei wall in overwatch but they can see you mocking them

I mean it's ironic that I say a shooter goes against Pokémon as a concept

Because realistically they have a ton of Pokémon that already fit just that

Blastoise as a mid range tank, Inteleon is ALREADY A SNIPER

Hell, different maps based on different regions? Can you imagine a dynamax system exclusive to Galar maps that acts like a cool ass power up for the player that gets hold of it?

They even have an anime-exclusive New Tork City in Unova from the Genesect movie just waiting to be used

[rain quarry]

Well pokemon's a franchise built on fighting, every single pokemon just loves combat and they spend their whole lives beating the shit out of each other. A charizard shooting a fireball in first-person isn't conceptually that different to a blaziken fire-punching a pikachu in the face in pokken

And its not like the genre is out of reach, it's arguably less weird than a moba

[turbid horizon]

Or third person, honestly. I said FPS earlier but I do recognise that third person would be equally applicable.

Especially with Garden Warfare as inspo

I like the First Person idea simply because First Person with non-humanoid Pokémon sounds like a lot of fun

[rain quarry]

My guess is the problem with first person is alot of pokemon don't have appendages that you'd be able to see from their pov

[turbid horizon]

Yeah, plus shooting from mouths is a big thing and that could be a bit weird

That being said I'd almost want first person Snorlax to have Hyper Beam

An eye laser ability which is super strong with the caviat that your vision is gonna be pretty heavily obscured

And it would set it apart from Snorlax in any other spinoff game

Unite doesn't use Eyeperbeam

Sadly :(

[rain quarry]

[turbid horizon]

I think Marowak would be a cool niche pick

Or Alolan Marowak

It would be the type of character who maybe doesn't seem all that great at first but some players would just fucking shred with

A mid-ranged to melee distance character which is short enough to sneak up even with limited speed

Headshot resistance because of the skull maybe??

[rain quarry]

It gets props for being one of the few pokemon that actually holds its weapon

[turbid horizon]

Alakazam would qualify for another Pokémon that actually has its weapons

Spoon blasts

Miltank could also have visible weapons 😟

[rain quarry]

Headshots would be interesting wouldn't they. Some pokemon don't like, have full-on heads, and some pokemon are just all head

[turbid horizon]

Definitely interesting, probably better referred to as crit spots. Like in Overwatch, Bastion's turret doesn't have a head, but does have a headshot spot.

That could even provide better options for crit spots for Pokémon that do have heads, there are definitely Pokémon who have greater weak spots than their heads

And for Pokémon with massive heads, that would maybe have to be the alternative

I think head should definitely stay as the primary area though because otherwise it would get too confusing

[rain quarry]

Yeah, its just for pokemon like Electrode it would be hard to figure out that sort of thing

[turbid horizon]

I was thinking about that. I'm almost tempted to say make the top hemisphere all head, but have it roll around super fast

Because electrode should definitely be super squishy, but probably really annoying to balance it out

I know some players would have insane aim, but most shooters don't have you fighting people who's head is actively rotating in different directions

[rain quarry]

It would probably be more annoying for electrode, because if its constantly spinning that means theoretically half the time you'll crit it, you wont even need to do anything specific

[turbid horizon]

That's also a very high possibility

But the solution may just be to make crits not matter on electrode. Either by making it squishy enough that it's head isn't a priority, or by making it squishy with no crit spot

It would definitely be a harder one to balance

But I think players would love it for the sheer novelty

People fucking love playing balls in shooter games

No one knows the science behind why

But something about Being The Orb just entices people

Wishiwashi could be another interesting pokemon

A big tank that, at low health, essentially disintegrates into a hard to hit stage where it has a chance to run and regenerate

I could see it being super difficult to play though because you'd really lack an option to Take Someone With You, which is a common response to being about to die

Because Wishiwashi wouldn't be meant to die, and therefore wouldn't be meant to take someone with it

But it would have the useful tank consequence of people not wanting to use certain moves (such as aoe moves) because they want to be able to land a hit easier when Wishiwashi gets low

[turbid horizon]

Also coming back to electrode for a moment because I just had a thought

Because if it had the half-crit, half-not build, then players would intentionally position themselves so that, when walking forward, their ass is to any enemies in a certain area, essentially guaranteeing that it can't get grit unless they move

Which I'm not saying fixes the problem, but I do find it to be a very funny idea

[night palm]

I'ma keep it real y'all

I can't be the only one that forgets probopass is a steel type

[rain quarry]

I forget too but I do like the whole idea of its magnet moustache

[night palm]

It's mustache is a magnet?

Man I didn't even know

[rain quarry]

Its mustache is made of iron filings attracted to its magnetic nose

[night palm]

Wow

Pretty cool

Still a forgettable pokemon

[olive dagger]

Probably because it sucks

[night palm]

Ur not wrong

[drifting thunder]

played Pokemon FireRed Rocket Edition recently. It's surprisingly fun, seeing the story of R/B from a different angle

[turbid horizon]

Could they...

Not come up with a better name?

[drifting thunder]

what's wrong with the name?

it tells you exactly what you're getting

[rain quarry]

Psssh, it should be Pokemon: Darkred of Shadow Darkness

[drifting thunder]

some of the dialogue gives that effect sometimes, but not too much

[turbid horizon]

Boy I hope not

[drifting thunder]

??

[turbid horizon]

Red Rocket is a very well known slang for dog penis.

[drifting thunder]

gonna press X to doubt on the "very well known" part of that but okay

[turbid horizon]

Well known enough to be a South Park joke

And I believe it's also in Fallout, but I've never played it

[drifting thunder]

well It's FireRed: Rocket Edition anyway

[rain quarry]

I wanna know who you play as specifically in that hack

like, are you a grunt or what

[turbid horizon]

FireDog: Penis Edition

[drifting thunder]

unnamed grunt who works his way up the ranks

well, you name him

[rain quarry]

I see, nice

[drifting thunder]

my only complaint is, they get a bit overzealous with the story. Like, there's all this background about the war in kanto and all that, and characters are constantly giving long monologues that don't really feel like they belong in a pokemon game, but its not that bad

also it's about as edgy as you'd expect from a game where you play the villains and steal pokemon from children

[rain quarry]

Yeah I had a feeling

So it takes place during the regular kanto storyline right?

[drifting thunder]

it takes place simulatenously with Pokemon Red, so like, the events of pokemon red are happening, you run into characters doing their roles from that game, but it shows like other sides to what's happening

I really like how they handled Red

[rain quarry]

Is he a silent person or what

[drifting thunder]

so far the only lines of dialogue I've heard from him are "..." and "Come back, Charmeleon!" after he destroyed my entire party in Mt. Moon

[rain quarry]

Does the game have like scripted losses and stuff? Because your whole organization is doomed to completely fail going by the main story

[drifting thunder]

I actually don't know, I'm only half way through. Like, you're clearly supposed to lose to Red in that first encounter, cause everything in Mt. Moon was like level 10-13 and his Charmeleon was level 25 and I didn't even get to see any of his other pokemon. But I don't know what would have happened if you'd grinded up and beat him there. There seems to be a branching story to some effect, with a whole morality system, so idk

[rain quarry]

Huh, interesting

[slow ferry]

Edgy pokemon fangames always baffle me. Shin Megami Tensei is literally right there. Pokemon is just not well suited to that styling, aesthetically or conceptually.

[drifting thunder]

this one isn't as bad as most edgy fangames

like, so far there haven't been any on-screen murders

it's more like "Shadow the Hedgehog" flavor of edgy, not "Hatred" flavor of edgy

[pastel current]

It’s not that edgy but it’s edgy enough where you can give tequila to a Pokémon mid combat

[drifting thunder]

Something I think this hack does well is that the darker parts of it are things that would exist under the surface of a regular pokemon game, they just wouldn't normally be shown. In Pokemon Red, Team Rocket's various criminal doings are mentioned, but mostly occur off-screen. This hack just shows them on screen and focuses a bit more closely on them. Everything is mostly still just stuff that was implied in the original story but now shown. Sometimes they embrace fan theories a little, like with ||the daycare man being seen as evil because he won't let you have your Pokemon back unless you pay him. This game takes that and it goes further with it, by having him be an accomplice to Team Rocket, with the entire day care being a front for Team Rocket to get eggs and sell them on the black market.||

So far the edgiest thing in it is something that was already kind of implied in Red (I think they even directly say it in Origins too), that being ||it mentions that Team Rocket is killing Cubones and selling their skulls.||

[cunning parrot]

They at least killed the Marowak that became a ghost in Pokémon Tower

[turbid horizon]

Sorry but I'm not interested in doubling up on virginity

[olive dagger]

sus

[turbid horizon]

I know it would be busted with how the game currently works because of how overpowered individual Pokémon can be

But healing wish working as a revive instead of a heal would be a cool concept

[turbid horizon]

What I do like about Landorus and Enamorus being paired up is that, judging by his interactions with humans, and spinoff games like pokepark describing him as "gentle and goodhearted", Landorus is far less violent than Enamorus

Enamorus seemingly doesn't care for people much at all, going so far as to violently attack those that harm the environment whilst Landorus is a sort of people's hero, being designated the guardian of the fields

I don't think Enamorus is said to be particularly disliked by humans, because she leaves them tf alone unless they're assholes

But from what's written she's definitely more willing to throw hands with them, and I think there's more fear surrounding her than Landorus

Because I can't actually find mention of Landorus being wrathful or violent. At most, it's likely that he has to fight Tornadus and Thundurus to get them to shut the fuck up

[rain quarry]

Yeah that's exactly how it works. Thundurus and Tornadus roam around destroying things and constantly fight each other, while Landorus brings harvest and breaks up the conflicts of those 2, this is all mentioned over their pokedex entries

[turbid horizon]

Well I know he breaks up the conflict but I don't know if it's mentioned that he fights them to do so anywhere, or if it's just been assumed because of how we interpret that in Pokémon

[rain quarry]

I think with the way the pokedex words it, my interpretation of it is that Thunderus and Tornadus bring destruction, and its with their destruction that they allow Landorus to bring harvest. It's like a cosmic balance thing, a "You can't create without destroying" thing, the quartet as a whole presumably set up this gig rather than it just being "there's 2 good ones and 2 evil ones"

[turbid horizon]

That would definitely make sense given that Thundurus' lightning bolts are actually said to enrich soil

[rain quarry]

Yeah, and they're called "forces of nature" and its sorta implied that Tornadus and Thunderus are about as malevolent as a natural disaster

[turbid horizon]

It's been so long since I played pokepark 2 but I was looking over their pad entries and I find their characterisation in that game so interesting because like

The implication is that they've essentially settled down?

Tornadus and Thundurus are described as having caused problems in the past, but are now taking it slow and instead of being called enemies they're sparring partners

Obviously pokepark is far disconnected from any canon because it's essentially a mystery dungeon world but I just find the interpretation of their destructive violence as them essentially being young and wild funny

Honestly as disappointing as Enamorus incarnate's design is, I genuinely do like the forces of nature, I think they're a really cool group of legendaries

[rain quarry]

I like Enamorus, and yeah back when BW first came out I didn't like the Kamis but over time I learned more about them and I like them now

[turbid horizon]

I do think the group as a whole suffers from perspective issues design-wise

Which has been highlighted heavily by being 3D models

Because this looks cool

Now what's this supposed to be

[rain quarry]

I find it funny that of all pokemon, this is the most consistently powerful choice in competitive

Like its not the giant dragons or eldrich monsters, it's the cat with a dude's head

[turbid horizon]

Intimidate really works wonders on strong Pokémon

I don't know how much the TCG artists and the game artists blend together

But I do know they need to start taking inspo from some of the good TCG art

Because this is a cool looking Landorus

Doesn't thin down his neck, but still manages to make him badass

The 3D models just have them looking like Avatar the Last Airbender if all the main characters were Winston Churchill

[rain quarry]

The models for pokemon in general aren't the best yeah

[turbid horizon]

I miss sharp Haxorus

Why'd they make it so squishy looking

I think it's maybe something to do with the neck

Because the plates on the 3D model seem to be completely flush together

Which just makes the design a lot flatter, and therefore less sharp

The arms are weird too. More human, less T-Rex.

They look like putting toilet paper tubes on your arm as a kid

[rain quarry]

Oh yeah, its arms are longer now, huh

[turbid horizon]

It's so he can fucking GET you

But they look weird

[rain quarry]

There's this official pokemon series on yt that has haxourus portrayed realistically to its pokedex size and its funny

[turbid horizon]

Also ofc there's a lot to be said about the colour being desaturated in 3D models

[turbid horizon]

Yeah it's always weird to see Haxorus in the anime when it's done accurately, you can see something similar in that short with the gym leaders fighting team Plasma

[rain quarry]

That's the one with the giant seviper right

[turbid horizon]

That being said, I like the look of Haxorus in that image, I think they've done it in a way where the size doesn't seem too weird

[turbid horizon]

It's the one where Brycen kills like so many people

[rain quarry]

I wanna see pokedex accurate Nidoking where he's like 4ft tall

[turbid horizon]

Short king

Enamorus is 5'3 compared to the boys who are all 4'11 which I guess is a perk of that Long Ass Neck

[turbid horizon]

I also like the shininess on the armour. I wish the Pokémon anime art was as good as the shorts because some of the stuff they've put out recently looks gorgeous

[vapid minnow]

hey guys, do you ever wonder how people name pokemon in the real world, if pokemon was real?

Like pikachu, the electric rat pokemon

or Ratata

etc.

[rain quarry]

That stuff is probably a holdover from gen 1 back when animals existed alongside pokemon

[turbid horizon]

Yeah

Before they were hunted to extinction

[vapid minnow]

Maybe in the pokemon universe, real animals existed but were yeah

Hunted out

[turbid horizon]

What they don't tell you is Pokémon world is built on real animal genocide

Honestly the actual explanation could be that we are no longer in the original universe?

There's a whole universe split theory based on XY and ORAS, which I don't know how canon it is, but it would explain some stuff

[vapid minnow]

Oh yeah I've heard of that

The alternate universe starts at BW

[rain quarry]

I think I do prefer there not being regular animals because that's just kind of a weird concept and it seems like their inclusion early on were accidental

[turbid horizon]

My issue with it is that the argument tends to be "mega evolution is so good, why would some regions not use it" but then you've got post-split regions that also don't use megas despite its existence

[rain quarry]

Oh, yeah split universe stuff in pokemon is totally canon, the rainbow rocket stuff confirms it, and its implied that Looker and that purple haired woman crossed universes at some point too

[turbid horizon]

I know multiple universes are 100% canon, I'm just not sure how much about the full theory is accurate. ORAS and other early gen reboots that now HAVE megas are 100% not the universe we used to be in

[vapid minnow]

My head canon for pokemon species is that pokemon evolved from our animals with genetic mutation, and our animals were wiped out only resulting in the super-powered creatures that are pokemon

[rain quarry]

It could be true, it seems that pokemon have existed since the dawn of the earth going by the fossil mons and stuff though

[turbid horizon]

Pokémon Legends: Cambrian Explosion

[vapid minnow]

Imagine a game like playing as a pokemon

[rain quarry]

I imagine we won't ever get an explaination for the animal stuff. Really the only time we've ever got like a non-joke example of that is Raichu's indian elephant feat and that got retconned in SwSh with its pokedex entry saying Copperajah instead

[vapid minnow]

Aside from mystery dungeon

Like a survival animal game of sorts

Like the isle

[turbid horizon]

Pokepark play pokepark

[rain quarry]

Spore but its pokemon

[turbid horizon]

It's not what you're describing but it is a 3D semi-open-world game

[vapid minnow]

oooo

[turbid horizon]

There's two games but I never played the first

And from what I've seen they seem to work fine with the popular Wii emulators???

I've been looking to play them again so I've been doing research in that regard

[turbid horizon]

I do like that idea, especially given evolutions and stuff would be easy to have a "growing up" mechanic. I've been looking to play The Isle but the reviews make it seem like it's really time consuming for not much of a reward?

[vapid minnow]

I mean there are games like pokemon the isle

on roblox and stuff

But they're more roleplay

[turbid horizon]

Any multiplayer game where you get to play AS Pokémon is something Gamefreak needs to produce

[rain quarry]

Well we do have one, but yeah more would be cool

[turbid horizon]

Which one am I missing

[rain quarry]

Well, unite's a multiplayer game where you play as pokemon

[turbid horizon]

Ah yeah, that's right

Y'know my main complaint about Unite is probably how certain Pokémon evolution lines work

Pikachu, of course, begins and ends at Pikachu, because he's fucking lame all the time

Blissey begins at Chansey???

Kind of forgiveable, I guess. At least it evolves.

WHY DOES SNORLAX START WITH SNORLAX???

WHY DID THEY NOT HAVE MUNCHLAX AT ALL?

[rain quarry]

My main problem with Unite is that I really just would rather play League

[turbid horizon]

That's a lie

That's a lie you're saying

League is the worse alternative to doing anything and everything

If I ever get stabbed, my first comforting thought will be

[rain quarry]

Alas it's true. I'm 800 pounds and commit every -ism online

[turbid horizon]

"well, at least I'm not playing League of Legends right now"

[turbid horizon]

Nicest League of Legends player

[rain quarry]

I only really ever played it against my brothers, I didn't do online stuff that often because... yeah

Anyways, I didn't quite get into unite yeah

[turbid horizon]

Honestly a lack of chat is actually what makes me like Nintendo competitive

[rain quarry]

Lol, I have a feeling if Unite had a chat it would be like a censored version of League's

[turbid horizon]

I never got into Overwatch ranked because, aside from the obvious reasons, I really couldn't be fucked to voice chat. And as PS4 typing chat is dog ass, I didn't want to be that guy

But with Unite it's like

You can't be mad at me for not talking

We're all doing terribly and I couldn't if I wanted to

Which is good because if I could talk to people I'd have died from high blood pressure talking to players who lock in speed and attack Pokémon

I think I would have gotten more into Splatoon if the servers didn't suck. Awesome games, terrible online.

[turbid horizon]

I got dolphin emulator, I'm gonna play through the pokapark games

Gotta do something.

Honestly I'd love an "all Pokémon" universe resurgence.

People love the mystery dungeon games, but I feel like with the more recent ones the hype has been less so

Overall, I still hear more positivity about explorers of time and darkness than, say, the 3DS mystery dungeon game

And the one for the switch is just a remake

So my proposition would be:

Pokepark 3 + New Mystery Dungeon game

Officially state that they take place in the same universe

Suddenly, they're no longer just two different games where you play as Pokémon

Now you've got a whole separate universe surrounding a lack of humans

And I think a lot could be done with that

I mean it's not like Mystery Dungeon and Pokepark are dissimilar. As far as I'm aware, both avoid giving Pokémon names that aren't their species (personal HC is that that's just how Pokémon designate one another in a non plural sense, and nicknames only really come up affectionately, as a title or when picking someone out of a crowd)

And combining the universe's could actually work really well, especially if there's a game for either series released around the same time

You could have rescue teams who show up in the pokepark

Honestly I'd kill for another Pokepark installment for the simple fact that it's not a turn based RPG. I love normal Pokémon games, but it's been forever since we've had a spinoff like pokepark.

Snap looks gorgeous but it's just not my type of game

[vapid minnow]

Yeah i'd like a game like legends arceus boss battles, which isn't really turn based

Also I heard pokepark 3 was coming out in 2020

idk what happened to it

[turbid horizon]

Just bs rumour I'm afraid, one of those fan things made to show up as the first answer on Google

People have made some really solid concepts, like the art that had a pokepark set with the gen 8 starters

But it's unlikely we'll ever see another

Given how little you hear about them, I don't think they were particularly popular

which tbh sucks because some of the 3D models in Pokepark hit way better than the mainline 3D models

Haxorus still looks sort of goofy. Not awful, but he's a lot chunkier than you'd expect

Speaking of which

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