so if I make a costume that is just a white blanket with holes on it I'm a furry
#other-pokemon-games
floral thunder
turbid horizon
No
But sheet ghosts don't hide in bushes and piss on trees in our world
You can't find them in long grass
Or eating bugs
rain quarry
Maybe they do all those things and more
rare trout
ghosts are as commonplace as animals are in the pokemon world. it would make sense that they are classified as such
turbid horizon
Maybe they do all those things and more
Okay good point
I don't know what ghosts do in our world
But my point was more that Pokémon ghosts are established animals, our ghosts are supposedly people
floral thunder
I show you yamask
turbid horizon
ghosts are as commonplace as animals are in the pokemon world. it would make sen...
Plus some of them are horses
floral thunder
it's confirmed a dead human
turbid horizon
it's confirmed a dead human
Ehhhhh
That's like saying Maccargo is confirmed hotter than the sun
Frankly evidence suggests modern day pokedex entries are at least 40% BS
rare trout
they are written by children
turbid horizon
Especially since we already have pokedex entries for them. It's just children writing journals, because a lot of that shit was documented as far back as PLA
I view the modern pokedex more like a teaching device. Gives young trainers an opportunity to analyse their findings, but it's not always gonna be accurate
floral thunder
who was the kid to write the dex entries for most of the ghost types
that kid is mentally ill
rare trout
the player character
turbid horizon
I'm not saying there's no chance any ghost in Pokémon could be a dead guy but it doesn't seem likely that they all are, or even that all of one species are
turbid horizon
that kid is mentally ill
I mean I'd argue just about any protagonist would be after the events of the game if nothing else
The BW2 protagonist, for example, could write that yamask was a child murdered by their dad and you'd go "okay that makes sense that they'd write that" because Ghetsis was 👌 this close to spearing them to death with ice
These kids are diverting world ending catastrophies by super villain, of course they have issues
Also, it is worth noting that we know for a fact that ghost Pokémon CAN be the ghosts of other POKÉMON
Which, if anything
Further solidifies them as animals
rare trout
they can also breed with non-ghost pokemon, and behave like non-ghost pokemon
turbid horizon
Indeed
rain quarry
Man, imagine dying and then waking up as a ball with no limbs that gets captured by a child
turbid horizon
Yeah what unlucky fuck dies and becomes a ghastly
Congratulations, you were so nasty and stinky during life that you're now entirely gas
rain quarry
Atleast if you evolve you get to become a lightning fast shadow demon
rare trout
all galarians become sinistea when they die
turbid horizon
It's like the water cycle
You drink your grandpa and piss him out
Okay, here's a list of the rivals and whether they're furries or not without context:
Blue: no
Trace: no
Silver: yes, but only after his redemption
Brendan: no
May: yes
Wally: no, but I think he could become one
Barry: no(?)
Cheren: no
Bianca: no
N: yes
Hugh: no
Calem: no
Serena: no
Shauna: no
Tierno: no
Trevor: maybe
Hau: yes
Gladion: yes
Hop: no
Bede: yes
Marnie: no
Klara: no
Avery: no
primal gorge
high friendship is still attainable with ghost types which makes one wonder about the mindset of humans in these games that they don't mind that fate after death
then again
look at npc dialogue
- the whole basis of in-game society
it is actually totally believable that humans in the pokemon continuity would not mind becoming pokemon after death and being captured and trained, because literally every person in their world is just that obsessed with pokemon and battling
primal gorge
seems believable but what's that to do with a snake eating its own tail 🤔
turbid horizon
Why didn't they just make USUM a sequel with a different story?
Like continuing on instead of the alternate shit
floral thunder
too much effort
turbid horizon
I get that there's the multiverse plot but they didn't have to repeat a game to explore that
Literally just...
Ultra Sun Ultra Moon, the sequel to Sun and Moon, wherein we fight the MAIN villain team, Rainbow Rocket
Instead of confining the one cool new thing to post-game stuff
floral thunder
https://youtu.be/d-Boar7PZWA watch it or else
turbid horizon
I love Black and White. I love Black and White 2. If Black and White 2 was just a slightly differentiated repeat of the first game, with some slightly new post game content, I'd probably fucking hate it.
It's not even like the 3DS didn't have stuff like updates or DLC
Most USUM features would have been better free DLC
analog charm
I made this comment on Reddit, figured I could get some feedback here. Plusle and Minun are meant to be pikachu rivals/counterparts. They’re made to be cute. But they don’t follow some of the rules of later Pokémon lines; even illumise and volbeat being separate species makes more sense than those two.
So a potential fix which would make them more interesting. Leave Minun as an electric type, but turn Plusle into a steel type. So that when working together they represent the full capabilities of the electromagnetic spectrum. Plusle would still look very mammalian and would focus on steel special attacks rather than the typical Steel defensive moves and a bit of offense.
Thought of this thanks to randomized runs, romhacks that improve unused Pokémon, and regional variants.
cunning parrot
I’m pretty excited to play RubberRoss’s Pokémon hack using all the Gartic Phone Pokémon he and his friends made once that comes out
analog charm
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/543958354377179176/716903563946622986/137.132.png Porygon/Ditto
surreal blaze
Okay, here's a list of the rivals and whether they're furries or not without con...
How dare you suggest that Wally is not already an excellent and masterful furry.
Shauna yes, but low-key. More into general cosplay than furry stuff specifically, but doesn't shy away from furry stuff either.
turbid horizon
~~How dare you suggest that Wally is not already an excellent and masterful furr...
I just don't think Wally would know. He'd maybe be involved with furry stuff but he's got Pokémon trainer tunnel vision
I may have been unfair with the XY rivals because frankly I don't remember them well and honestly they don't look like they know what pronouns are
floral thunder
i regret taking part in this convo
night palm
Wha t
turbid horizon
Though honestly you could make a good case against any of them being a furry except N, there's just something about him
floral thunder
the rivals are empty shells only created so the player can beat the shit out of them
turbid horizon
Fine then, someone with more development
Ash is a furry.
Or a
Scaley?
What the fuck would frog be
He bonded with that fucking amphibian so hard they got soul linked or some shit
floral thunder
i feel like im dying on the inside reading this
turbid horizon
~~i feel like im dying on the inside reading this~~
YOU REJECT THE TRUTH, AS A COWARD WOULD
Blue isn't a furry but he's probably into fucking Sonic or something
surreal blaze
Frog furries are just furries, they don't have a specific word to themselves.
turbid horizon
And that's what I'll close out on
surreal blaze
now do smash or pass
floral thunder
for the rivals or pokemon ]
if you say the rivals its a bit weird but more understandable than the latter
turbid horizon
Nah I'd argue Pokémon is more understandable because 80-90% of the rivals are children
I wouldn't recommend either
floral thunder
[assuming they are all aged up]
altho tbf if you want to smash hau/hop even aged up you have some problems
surreal blaze
shrug Either. I'm just here to promote chaos. 
floral thunder
hi just here to promote chaos. 
turbid horizon
Tyrantrum obviously wouldn't be a good parent to its children this is just woke Sinnoh nonsense
We're pushing the limits of comprehensibility today folks
turbid horizon
I wonder if things get their titles simplified in Unova like the Harry Potter books in America
Hyper potion? Nah that's the Good Heal Juice
Mr Mime? Round these parts we call him Fuckhands McMime
drowsy hearth
and he's excited to do crime
turbid horizon
and he's excited to do crime
Honestly Unova is unhinged
The reason gym leaders don't get involved much usually is assumedly because they're basically athletes, not law enforcement. The Champion is an exception, but they're also like the strongest person in the region full-stop
But in Unova?
I don't think the police force has done anything in years
Because we SEE cops, they ARE NOT involved
drowsy hearth
Clay does get himself involved
turbid horizon
The gym leaders have formed some sort of redneck vigilante circle
Them defending against team Plasma was basically just them rolling up on ATVs with shotguns
And that's not hyperbole because I guarantee Brycen kills some people
He's literally throwing people from like two storeys up in the anime
raw raft
And that's not hyperbole because I guarantee Brycen kills some people
I would also do that if I had an ice flake for my partner
drowsy hearth
Okay but to be fair, that same snow flake outspeeds its regional psuedo legend.
raw raft
It does, but does it have arms?
shrewd furnace
Honestly Unova is unhinged
Unova also seems to be a region with no minimum age requirement for becoming a trainer.
primal gorge
just saw gnoggin's video on lopunny and learned buneary learns frustration at lv 13 and lopunny learns return at lv 13, representing, diegetically, a point where buneary makes a persisting judgement about you as a trainer
but if lopunny learns return at lv 13, that means a move reminder can teach it at higher levels
think about what a move reminder is, they're people who can change what a pokemon knows, i.e. influence its mind... in effect, arguably pokemon psychologists
and if buneary learns frustration at lv 13 but later evolves into lopunny, that means, despite knowing frustration, it has high friendship
which means, arguably, we have a canonically viable scenario in which:
- a pokemon dislikes its trainer due to mistreatment
- the trainer changes their ways and treats the pokemon with kindness
- after a long period of better treatment, the pokemon is subconsciously ready to forgive its trainer, but is holding a grudge
- the pokemon literally goes to therapy to let go
damn... and they say pokemon games are for kids
night palm
God dayum
dull sleet
I know this is the completely wrong server to ask this question really but does anyone know what happened to Pokemon Wack? I used to be part of the discord and was pretty active but since coming back after a while I can't find their server or any downloads for the latest version of the game. I thought I would ask here because this is like my second favourite Pokemon fan game and someone might know about what happened. sorry to bother
jovial cosmos
I don't know if this link works? 😮
dull sleet
I don't know if this link works? 😮
https://pokemonwack.fandom.com/f/p/44000000...
No unfortunately it doesn't, but don't worry about it. I found an old hard drive that luckily had the game installed on it. I also think I found some working links on the wiki. None the less thank you for your help :)
surreal blaze
What is pokemon wack?
cunning parrot
A terrible Pokémon fan game
floral thunder
its pride is having 8000 fakemons that are all drawn in paint
and 50+ types
have fun memorising the type chart 
turbid horizon
Seems to have that sort of humour
floral thunder
i know wack had questionable garde variants but didnt actually think it was from 4chan
slow ferry
I don't know if it's actually from 4chan, but it has that vibe. There are so many anti-Semitic "jokes."
The core plot is even one.
floral thunder
dont know what anti semitic means so i will just assume offensive humor
turbid horizon
Just look at the waifu Pokémon section of the wiki, you can tell it's at least got 4chan influence
royal tree
The entire rubber type
slow ferry
Anti-Semitic=anti-Jewish.
turbid horizon
I hate that Wack and Clover are so popular because 4chan humour doesn't deserve that sort of recognition but the issue is that 4channers literally don't have a life
So they can invest a lot of time into the games, meaning that there is inevitably a ton of content
floral thunder
clover deserves the recognition
turbid horizon
And with Pokémon as old and repetitive as it is, even amongst ROM hacks, that's all people really care about, and they don't give a toss about the nature of the content itself because some of it is just cool new fakemon or whatever
floral thunder
clover best rom hack, no doubts
turbid horizon
Yeah gotta love the anti-Semitism and racism even within the literal starter Pokémon
floral thunder
anyway
wow animations
floral thunder
Yeah gotta love the anti-Semitism and racism even within the literal starter Pok...
gotta love all the incredibly well designed region/OST/battle mechanics and how well balanced it all truly feels
with no fakemon feeling useless, all have at the bare minimum a niche
turbid horizon
We've circled back around to 4channers having no real life
floral thunder
we are discord users
turbid horizon
They can fine tune the game all they want, it's still made by the scum off the side of the gene pool
floral thunder
both have no real life to speak off
turbid horizon
both have no real life to speak off
I mean I don't know about you but I don't spend my time on discord spewing Nazi rhetoric so I'm at least marginally better than even the nicest 4chan user
slow ferry
Yeah I kinda don't care about how well designed "Klux" is as a combat tool.
turbid horizon
Clover players when Hitler's Nutsack carves its own niche in the competitive scene 😱
slow ferry
No matter how well you design the "Holocaust furnace" mon, it will still be the Holocaust furnace mon.
turbid horizon
Play what you like man but don't justify it by saying the gameplay is good
floral thunder
what
the gameplay being godlike is exactly what i like about clover?
i dont agree with anything they say, obviously, since you know clover is kinda designed to be as offensive as possible and act as a parody of the internet itself
turbid horizon
Oh good, the advanced rock paper scissors has less useless animals than normal
turbid horizon
i dont agree with anything they say, obviously, since you know clover is kinda d...
Everything offensive is a parody nowadays, that's meant to make it better somehow. Nazi rhetoric is still support for Nazi beliefs, and some players will have their beliefs justified by supposed jokes in the game.
Game Freak doesn't make every Pokémon a winner but at least the most offensive thing they ever made was Jynx
floral thunder
omg i deafeated the 7th gym leader now im a nazi
slow ferry
And Jynx was meant to be a specific cultural reference.
floral thunder
shook face here
turbid horizon
*omg i deafeated the 7th gym leader now im a nazi*
Given that I never said or alluded to that, it's weird that you took the conversation in this direction
slow ferry
Dude. Holocaust furnace mon.
floral thunder
if you do take it serious, its more of a you problem
turbid horizon
Nahhh
I think it's mainly the issue of the Nazis that made it
For, y'know
Being Nazis
floral thunder
proof that the devs are nazis where
turbid horizon
Holocaust furnace mon
turbid horizon
You're riding the dicks of these Devs pretty hard for someone who supposedly doesn't support the shit they say
slow ferry
I don't know that they're outright Nazis, but the distinction betwixt ironic references to Nazism and outright Nazism on 4chan is fuzzy at best, and having a Holocaust furnace 'mon and a Klansman 'mon is not a great look.
floral thunder
you are claming they are nazis because they developed a joke game
turbid horizon
A joke game which will be played by actual Nazis who will feel ratified by the humour
slow ferry
you are claming they are nazis because they developed a joke game
They spent quite a bit of effort on it for it to actually just be a joke game.
turbid horizon
That's not a joke, it's just a piece of media which boosts Nazi ideology
"I'm gonna make such a funny joke by actively causing harm to and contributing to the suffering of minorities whilst also giving people a platform to spew hate"
floral thunder
They spent *quite a bit of effort* on it for it to actually just be a joke game.
so if i understand this correctly
if i shitpost on a game, and put it way too much effort into said game, it full circles back into not being a joke game, even tho it started as a joke game
genually curious since im doing a joke mod of pokemon
slow ferry
Okay, so you're big thing here is that you really like the gameplay, right?
Yeah that takes a lot of effort to get there. A LOT. That's not a shitpost.
Balancing is genuinely incredibly hard work, and getting it right takes a massive amount of effort.
turbid horizon
There are other games with good gameplay which don't support Nazi ideals. Even assuming Clover has the best definitive gameplay out there, there are still gonna be games which are just marginally worse than it, but still great gameplay-wise.
And if you actively choose Clover over them, supporting people who are actively harming minorities, because you don't want to lose out on slightly better gameplay
Then yes
You are an asshole
slow ferry
To get to a point where you have the balancing as tight as you're saying it is, the project has to become as much a part of you as anything else.
floral thunder
And if you actively choose Clover over them, supporting people who are actively ...
wdym by support exactly?
like giving money to them?
turbid horizon
Money, exposure, literally any form of support is bad when it goes towards the Nazi game
floral thunder
the only pokemon game that gets money from being a pokemon game is rewborn but ok
turbid horizon
Even if you locked yourself in steel box and nobody ever knew you were playing it, thinking it's a good idea to download and play a game with a Holocaust Furnace Pokémon in it because of good gameplay says a lot about you as a person
Ignoring the awful shit within a piece of media doesn't allow you to consume it without it being bad
slow ferry
This isn't, "I shitposted out a joke mod," this is, "I actually went in and created a full tactical ecosystem of fakemon, balanced against each other such that all are useable, with a full world for you to use them in with a number of mechanics." That's high enough effort that the "we based this Pokemon on the ovens the Nazis used to cook off the flesh of their victims during the final years of the holocaust, because we thought it was funny rather than horrific," is... telling.
rain quarry
I think you guys should take this conversation elsewhere or end it entirely, we don't need arguments about nazism in fangames filling our channels
slow ferry
Fair cop.
turbid horizon
Aye aye
floral thunder
alrighty
turbid horizon
I think frosbite staying post-PLA could make ice a hell of a lot better as a type
Freeze is too unreliable, despite being super fucking annoying when you're on the receiving end
I think they should keep freeze, don't get me wrong
But treat it like an ice type Toxic almost. Not a move of its own, that would be too op
But have certain moves keep their freeze chance
rain quarry
Frostbite is so good
turbid horizon
Replace the freeze chance on other moves with a frosbite chance (maybe slightly increased for some attacks)
This should theoretically help ice a lot? It still wouldn't be a great type
But it should cover a lot of fire types by halving their special moves
Which works especially well with Pokémon like Mamoswine
And even if it didn't help ice's survivability much, it would make it a lot scarier on offense as something that can actually check strong special attackers
rain quarry
I think it wouldn't make a huge impact for Ice type specifically, but lowering attack is a hell of a lot more common than lowering special attack and I think Frostbite works to even that out a little
turbid horizon
I think it wouldn't make a huge impact for Ice type specifically, but lowering a...
Exactly
Ice obviously needs more than a small buff to suddenly be good
But there isn't a definitive good way to stop special attackers like there is with fire
(granted that might have something to do with the nature of special attackers being typically easier to kill)
I dunno, I just think it's a cool system in PLA, and it's worth seeing if it would work out
dull sleet
I think you guys should take this conversation elsewhere or end it entirely, we ...
yeah thats my b, sorry i started a war
i just enjoy the game for running nuzlocke runs
it has an insanity mode and thats where my enjoyment comes from
turbid horizon
I say I want to see the original dragon from BW because it would make for a cool story by recreating it or encountering it in a Legends game
But really?
I just want gen 5 to get its own mega Rayquaza
surreal blaze
Wtf is this
floral thunder
spare mirage
xD
turbid horizon
Also, anyone still play Unite?
Aye, but I don't have my switch with me atm
Been a minute since I've played because I got Kirby
placid obsidian
I haven't played since before Blastoise was released
I was good with Crustle and Absol
turbid horizon
I was good with Crustle and Absol
I'm perpetually stuck in tank because everyone is an asshole
But I enjoy Blissey
And I decided if I was stuck tanking I'd invest a bit more time into being good at it, so I'm decent with Snorlax and Blastoise
floral thunder
what is that
funny dex entries of fused dimensions
turbid horizon
Part of Golurk's problem is that iron fist just isn't great honestly
It sounds cool because Golurk has high attack, so you'd think any boost to that would end up being awesome
But as far as I'm aware it literally only learns one stab move boosted by iron fist
And it's fucking SHADOW PUNCH
And the issue of not having great stab is prominent with no guard setups as well, because the entire benefit of no guard on it is using dynamic punch
But then it's like
You get no stab, it's a plain 100 power move
And sure it confuses your opponent
But you almost always move last anyway
And your defenses aren't good enough to pull that off
Poltergeist not missing is a good start but it's still just a ghost move
It's best bet is earthquake and what DOESN'T learn earthquake
floral thunder
And it's fucking SHADOW PUNCH
you should be thankful it has the only ghost punch move of the game
turbid horizon
I'd rather there was an earth punch for it
At least that would feel like it's actually doing damage
I've used Golurk with choice Band, iron fist and shadow punch before and even then it feels underwhelming
Because shadow punch is a bad move
floral thunder
it's a midgame move of course it's bad kek
physical ghost in general kinda sucks when compared to special ghost
poltergeist is fine but shadow ball is better
turbid horizon
Yeah those sorts of divides are annoying
I especially don't get why Poltergeist had to be restricted to the opponent having an item
Like yes I understand the name of the move but physical ghost isn't good or prominent enough to be restricted
But honestly I think most types suffer from being better for special aside from like fighting, steel, rock. Ground too but at least earth power is a good move.
floral thunder
"ghost physical too op, make it only hit opponents with items, making it basically useless for most of the maingame"
"anyway spectral thief is fair and balanced"
is the only thing I can imagine happened
turbid horizon
Fire has like flare blitz
Recoil move, kind of annoying for sustainability
Flame charge, good utility but not strong at all
Uhhh
Blaze Kick? I guess?
Too niche and reliant on crits
turbid horizon
Ah yeah that ones good
olive dagger
Mystical flame
floral thunder
physical fire
I don't think that's physical? iirc it's -1 spatk on hit or something along those lines
and special
turbid horizon
Flying just has limited good moves in general. It got hurricane, air slash and brave bird and said "that'll do"
turbid horizon
Mystical flame
I think you mean sacred flame?
olive dagger
I think you mean sacred flame?
Different move
floral thunder
Flying just has limited good moves in general. It got hurricane, air slash and b...
make dragon ascent more common
turbid horizon
Yeah but I think sacred flame is the Ho-Oh one that's physical, mystical flame is the special that lowers SpAt
floral thunder
aqua tail 
turbid horizon
Aqua tail is one good way to resent your water starter for fucking missing all the time
olive dagger
Fishous rend
floral thunder
it's on 2 pokemon
olive dagger
Rock got the worst moves tho
floral thunder
thunder punch?
olive dagger
Thunder fang
turbid horizon
Rock moves are just ass
floral thunder
power gem take it or leave it
turbid horizon
You know it's bad when fucking rock blast is one of the best choices for tanky non-skill-link Pokémon
olive dagger
Almost every rock move past 60 has less than 100% acc
floral thunder
the only rock move with 100% acc is for the dumbass dogs
olive dagger
Rock throw
turbid horizon
I resent that the good physical moves for the good types tend to be recoil attacks
I get that physical attackers for some reason are made to be the most easy to kill and shut down
olive dagger
Imagine having a 200 bp move with NO drawbacks
turbid horizon
Whether it be an accidental burn/paralyse or missing a kick and killing yourself
floral thunder
Imagine having a 200 bp move with NO drawbacks
z moves/gmax-dmax moves
turbid horizon
But I want a physical attacker that actually takes and deals out damage. One that preferably doesn't have 10 special defense in comparison to 200 physical defense
See, what I'm describing is Snorlax, which yes, is a good pokemon
floral thunder
poor steelix
turbid horizon
So surely, you would think, it has a great typing
turbid horizon
I love normal types as much as the next person but they aren't good
And you can argue that's the point
But it wastes so much potential
turbid horizon
And cool designs. I'll take a funky little dog over Charizard's overdesigned ass any day
floral thunder
normal types aren't good
just give poryz techno blast and you will see the true meaning of fear.
turbid horizon
(disclaimer: I wouldn't necessarily call base Charizard overdesigned but his alt forms are running out of shit to slap on)
olive dagger
Porygonz with hyper beam
olive dagger
(disclaimer: I wouldn't necessarily call base Charizard overdesigned but his alt...
Everyone likes Charizard
olive dagger
Unless you’re a filthy 420 weed venusaur lover
turbid horizon
Charizard enters the room, a laugh track plays and everyone applauds as the credits roll
floral thunder
now the hivemind is liking zard again for some dumbass reason
turbid horizon
I don't even hate the idea of Charizard
olive dagger
At least they aren’t on the other pokemon
turbid horizon
It's just a kinda basic fire dragon, and that's alright
olive dagger
Like pikachu and clefablr
turbid horizon
But I don't like it for the same reason I dislike Pikachu
Because if it weren't for it being overrated as fuck, I wouldn't hate Pikachu either
olive dagger
Raichu did nothing
floral thunder
speaking of that rat mf when are we getting a light orb that works on raichu
olive dagger
speaking of that rat mf when are we getting a light orb that works on raichu
Game freak will make love to pikachu but never raichu
turbid horizon
Hell, I like Pikachu when it has a reason to be hyped up. It wasn't everyone's cup of tea but I fucking loved Detective Pikachu (the movie, never played the game)
floral thunder
(kantonian Raichu, Alolan can fuck off)
olive dagger
Pikachu can learn fly
turbid horizon
AND THE LIVE ACTION POKEMON DESIGNS WEREN'T ACTIVELY TERRIBLE
floral thunder
canonically it uses some balloons to fly
turbid horizon
I think the solution for megas making some Pokémon overly strong is uhhh
floral thunder
but that logic can be applied to any small pokemon
turbid horizon
Just add more and more gimmicks for new forms/strong moves
olive dagger
canonically it uses some balloons to fly
So i can attach balloons to anything to make it fly and RIDE ON IT!
turbid horizon
I long for the day I get Mega Metagross, Ultra Turdmon, Sigma Exploud, Primal Groudon, Gmax Snorlax and Pisspants Clefable on one team
If every Pokémon gets a new strong form, nothing will be new or strong
If you break enough stuff eventually it'll be fixed
turbid horizon
Mega Pikachu gets levitate
olive dagger
What about the pikachu clones
floral thunder
Mega Pikachu gets levitate
signature ability that is just levitate that cannot be cancelled by mold breaker
turbid horizon
signature ability that is just levitate that cannot be cancelled by mold breaker
Haxorus can't save us now.
olive dagger
Zygarde
floral thunder
meh pokemon anyway
olive dagger
Haxorus isn’t that good anyways nothing was lost
turbid horizon
Haxorus knows your IP address
floral thunder
definitely
turbid horizon
Gen 6 starters not getting megas was ridiculous
Sure it might have dissuaded you from using other megas
But most people ended up using mega Charizard so I don't give a fuck
floral thunder
frog got mega but can hold an item -_-
olive dagger
They also did feraligatr and meganium super dirty
floral thunder
fera is good as is
sheer force ddance
and badnium is badnium
only way to make it usable is deleting it and starting over
turbid horizon
They did all of the gen 5 starters dirty it just so happens that they accidentally made Serperior good. I guarantee it was unintentional.
turbid horizon
I fucking love Emboar, I don't even care about it being a fighting Pokémon any more
But if the gen 5 starters don't prove that special attack and speed are the best stats I don't know what does
Attack being second best
Nothing matters if your Pokémon can move fast and hit hard
God forbid you get a single stat boost
Emboar is too slow to make any use of its good attack
And Samurott, I fucking love you
But you can look up mid in the dictionary
And find a link to its bulbapedia page
floral thunder
God forbid you get a single stat boost
having a good atk and HP and awful everything else doesn't make a good pokemon
what a shocker
turbid horizon
Samurott:
Average defenses
Average speed
Mixed attack, but with mildly better special attack for some fucking reason instead of splitting it 104 and 104 like Infernape
But surely it's hidden ability makes up for its poor stats!
By making it immune to crits...
olive dagger
samurott then gets a new regional form
turbid horizon
Y'know, all those integral crits that it'll have to survive from all those neutral attacks that are gonna fucking kill it
floral thunder
samurott then gets a new regional form
which was made the day GF found out recolors are a thing
turbid horizon
samurott then gets a new regional form
I'm still not holding out hope because I don't think they'll touch it's stats and that's it's main downfall
Maybe if it gets sucker punch?
Sucker punch, aqua jet
olive dagger
I'm still not holding out hope because I don't think they'll touch it's stats an...
???
turbid horizon
Like a water type Bisharp with slightly better priority
olive dagger
i cant wait for a pokemon that has 1 spatt then gets only spatt moves
turbid horizon
The issue with PLA is that the buffs it made to certain Pokémon to make them usable with the gimmick battle system
Are the buffs that would literally make them usable in the main series
What if the new gimmick turns out to be the fucking Burst forms from the manga where the trainer fuses with their Pokémon
Can you imagine how it would break the fucking fanbase
Albeit it would be a cool concept for an open world game I guess because it would eliminate the need for "vehicles" by just having the trainer become one with the fucking Pokémon
But I think a good 40% of all fans would see it, seize up and die
floral thunder
so gijinkas from fusion generation 2?
olive dagger
What if the new gimmick turns out to be the fucking Burst forms from the manga w...
bill did that here already
Bill fused with a rhydon, bill head rhydon body
turbid horizon
I want more Abilities like pixilate but ones that don't just apply to normal moves
For example, having an ability which makes all fighting type moves into ghost type moves would be a quick fix for a physical ghost type
Or some sort of Dark Thoughts ability which makes psychic moves dark
Because tbh dark is lacking moves in general
Dark pulse, knock off, sucker punch, ????
rain quarry
Ye it'd be cool to see more pixelate style abilities, and more like Steelworker too
turbid horizon
Ye it'd be cool to see more pixelate style abilities, and more like Steelworker ...
I had an idea for a Magma Force ability or something like that which boosts fire type moves like steelworker, because I was thinking about a regional Garchomp rock/dragon which lives in volcanoes
That being said I recognise putting that on a pseudo is busted
But it fits with any rock type based around volcanic stuff
rain quarry
That doesn't sound too bad on paper, Rock/Dragon isn't great defensively so I could see that working for it in its favour making it into a glass cannon
turbid horizon
That doesn't sound too bad on paper, Rock/Dragon isn't great defensively so I co...
I don't think it would be the most awful thing, after all there are pseudos that are already more powerful than that. But I feel like despite the typing it might be surprisingly OP because it would gain the benefits of sandstorm special defense, making it scary on rock teams
Plus Garchomp has gotten by so far mostly not having a useful ability (not bad just nothing that defines it's playstyle)
And I feel like boosting it's fire type moves would give it a good ability on top of it being Garchomp, which could be a little broken
That being said, no earthquake stab
So swings and roundabouts
floral thunder
Because tbh dark is lacking moves in general
it makes up for it since it's one of the most busted types
knock off spam will not change unless you add a equally more bs move
and buffing garchomp of all Pseudos is one of the most dumb things you can do ngl
if for some reason you want to buff already busted pokemon buff the shitty ones like kalosian goodra
turbid horizon
Special rock type attack with priority called Spearhead
vague thistle
Spears don't really bring to mind a special attack, though. Moves with weapons like "sword" "blade" or "hammer" in them tend to be physical.
Hrm... The only thing I can think of off the top of my head as a concept that sounds special rock is petrification to play off of "turning things to stone" . Perhaps translated to carry a chance of paralysis? Esp since a lot of special moves tend to carry secondary effects anyway.
cunning parrot
Ancient power and power gem are the main special rock moves
They might be the only ones actually
tawny iron
I like meteor beam because it makes nihilego decent
turbid horizon
One of the least satisfying wins in Showdown is your opponent missing a crucial attack and forfeiting
It's great if they're an asshole, or you're frustrated
But if it's a chill game I just feel bad
icy glade
Team skull could have had really cool vibes
I always felt bad for the 2 that were just trying to raise money to escape their situation
I gave them all my moneys
turbid horizon
Team Skull just seem like teenagers with a lot of energy who just wanna follow an authority that actually respects them
icy glade
I was a rich bitch who somehow earned more than some people make in a month in a single day
turbid horizon
Guzma had his moments but he was never like uncaring to them as far as I remember
It makes sense that they would join him
turbid horizon
Alola, further proof that Pokémon cops are as useless as real ones. The only one actually doing anything looks constantly tired and really just hopes that these kids are just okay
I guess Looker exists but he's a detective it's a different vibe
I feel bad for Regigigas
It's overgrown state and ability implies it's actively degrading with time
And it's normal typing and appearance I think also implies Arceus created it (ArCeUs CrEaTeD eVeRyThInG) whatever, he made it with a PURPOSE
So like
icy glade
Omg looker is a wierd one
turbid horizon
You just gonna let it die?
icy glade
I'd like there to be an arc about a restored regigigas
turbid horizon
PLEEEASEEEEEEEEE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD
700 base stat and no slow start
It's not overpowered without it, IT'S A NORMAL TYPE
icy glade
Dude would be unstoppable
turbid horizon
It would be like
Appropriately op for a Pokémon of its position
It's not just a side legendary, it's the big boss of a trio of side legendaries
icy glade
More op than wolf with sword
turbid horizon
I also wanna know what's up with the Regis moving around
Because it's not like other legendaries where they have like
Homes in their base region
And just sort of show up in other regions
The Regis have had multiple areas where they have all resided
Including within the modern era
Off the top of my head, they have a place in Hoenn in gen 3 and a place in Unova in BW2
And then there's obviously Sinnoh for PLA
icy glade
Maybe they like to wander about
turbid horizon
Maybe they like to wander about
Maybe but they have like
Different caverns
That seems like a lot of effort
icy glade
Truee
turbid horizon
And they've obviously been to Galar (or at least Regigigas has, probably more likely before PLA)
The rules are really sketchy but like
I don't think there are multiple????
There are 100% some legendary Pokémon with multiple of themselves, including variant forms, but the Regis feel too unique for that to make sense for them
turbid horizon
I believe I've heard Celebi referred to as "A Celebi" before?
Deoxys may have like a whole species
icy glade
Brb making a pokemon game with an accurate species tree
And variable genetic traits such as colours
turbid horizon
I like the idea that Druddigon is like
icy glade
And mostly explain elemental abilities as some kind of chaotic magic or radiation that mutates them or something
icy glade
Druddigon suits being old
turbid horizon
It and Garchomp maybe, because Garchomp and sharks obv
But especially Druddigon because it just feels like a basic dragon
As I've said before, it's sort of a definitive dragon
Plus it has a sort of relationship with rock types, being known for living in tunnels, having rough skin, etc
icy glade
I thought of a kind of cool way to remix pokemon as a concept
turbid horizon
And relation to rocks is so common in old Pokémon that they are literally usually revived with that typing
icy glade
There's normal aminals but sometimes they get bound to a spirit from a sort of spirit world and become pokemon
turbid horizon
(that being said my personal HC is that most of the fossil Pokémon weren't originally rock types, but that it's simply a result of fossilisation. Either that or rock types just fossilise REALLY well and are easier to get DNA from)
icy glade
Legendary pokemon are pure spirits made manifest and mythicals are particularly powerful spirits bound to an animal
turbid horizon
There's normal aminals but sometimes they get bound to a spirit from a sort of s...
Real animals in Pokémon is so sketchy I wish they'd just give a definitive answer
icy glade
Same, like its canon that there are insects that are not considered pokemon
turbid horizon
But can you imagine if they zagged on us and were like "oh there are real animals but most are extinct because Pokémon is actually set in a society healing after a dystopian future and the Pokémon are all mutants"
icy glade
Thats a cool lore
turbid horizon
Like they just confirm some 16 year old redditor's 5 year old crack theory
icy glade
They did manage to obtain pretty serious tech in short time despite being underdeveloped in terms of infrastructure
turbid horizon
Them knowing how many African elephants Raichu can knock out also implies some Jurassic world type shit when elephants were alive when Pokémon were just immerging and were being fucking tested
icy glade
Like the ability to store pokemon in a pocket dimension
turbid horizon
I hate shrinky Pokémon so much
icy glade
Like its so easy to manufacture that they sell it cheap
turbid horizon
I refuse to accept it's real, everyone in PLA is just an idiot
I stand by tumblestones being the magic ingredient
icy glade
Magic is good for the plot
turbid horizon
They react with Pokémon energy and help them shrink down
It's how come you find them hiding within tumblestone crops
icy glade
Oh trueee
turbid horizon
It works better for me than Pokémon just being able to shrink
icy glade
If I made a pokemon game I'd do a 3 pokemon limit and no pc but u can keep em at a stable/daycare or let them roam and recall them
Maybe certain pokemon have skills that are needed in dungeons, like ride pokemon
Little more restrictive in terms of having whatever team u want but makes u plan ahead
turbid horizon
I'm still interested in a Pokémon game where the minimum for a final evolution is 600 base stat. I know there are games that make everything stronger but outside of maybe Shedinja I think a definitive rule like that would be an interesting experiment
icy glade
I loved the mystery dungeon mechanics
icy glade
I'm still interested in a Pokémon game where the minimum for a final evolution i...
I agree, all pokemon deserve a shot at being viable
turbid horizon
It would be funny to see what pseudos are still valid if any
Everyone's super so they won't be
Metagross is gonna get its ass wiped by fucking Volbeat or something
icy glade
U could also reduce the number of fakemon catchable, but increase the possible evolutions
Because something like trainer influences how it grows or something
turbid horizon
I did also consider an "everyone gets three" game where every Pokémon can evolve twice
icy glade
Would also be cool for an evolution/speciation theme
turbid horizon
To a similar endgame as everyone having 600 base stat
But instead of just slapping stats onto like Druddigon
icy glade
U could really tinker with unique mechanicq
turbid horizon
It gets a new evolution, as well as a prevo
icy glade
No more spamming one of 3 powerful pokemon in every game
Its kinda sad how the endgame becomes like 12 strong mons to choose from
turbid horizon
I'm shocked there isn't a game where everyone gets a mega yet
Because I guarantee a mega exists for everyone, like at the very least someone has made a design for them
icy glade
Truee
turbid horizon
I wish they made use of anime stuff in the games
Zekrom and Reshiram having telepathy would have been such a cool fucking concept
icy glade
(Deep booming pychic voice)"It is time for my kibble child"
turbid horizon
I'm not saying everything with telepathy should talk perfect English but like
Legendaries with it should
turbid horizon
And imagine talking to Slowking, of Gardevoir, and they're picking up phrases or words
Not Alakazam. Alakazam can talk, it just doesn't.
Alakazam is a prick.
icy glade
Raising pokemon in practicality must be a whole mission
No onder people do monotype teamz
slow ferry
Concept: GameFreak ditches slow start, but to stay in flavor (and because 700 BST is a lot), Regigigas still has a downside ability. That downside ability is "World Dragger: All this 'mon's moves have -1 Priority stage."
slow ferry
I always forget about Stall, because Sableye really doesn't need a downside ability.
floral thunder
boop
steady reef
this is an insurgence moment
icy glade
Certified insurgence moment
hasty wyvern
hold up wait a minite i havent seen insurgence in like 5 years what is that that somehow looks cursed or awesome at the same time
also 150 WHAT
spice warren
look at all those orbs
slow ferry
I am fascinated by the Fire type Burning.
hasty wyvern
voltorb flip is hell in a pokemon game
cunning parrot
Get good
spice warren
see above
dusk gyro
see what beespoon said
turbid horizon
Emboar should have gotten adaptability instead of reckless
I hate the trend of making only one of the starters' hidden abilities op
Serperior gets Contrary, so Emboar should get Adaptability
It's super slow, but at least it's close combat will hit like a truck
As for Samurott I'm not so sure
If it had better stat boost moves, maybe something like multiscale
But that won't be great without something that boosts its speed to follow up
Really, I think Samurott with shell smash and a few stat tweaks is a more simple fix
I'm personally not a fan of hidden abilities, especially on starters
But if they have to do them, either make them useless or amazing
Don't mix and match
I also saw a ROM that gave Samurott Skill Link
With pin missile and icicle spear being the main idea, plus water shuriken at later levels (which still fits the Samurai theme as I believe they were used by Samurais?)
But that makes it too similar to Cloyster for my liking
heavy agate
slow ferry
With pin missile and icicle spear being the main idea, plus water shuriken at la...
Shuriken weren't really 'used' by anyone. They were most (and the word 'most' is doing a lot of legwork here) used by some of the groups we refer to as ninja as a concealable guerilla harrying weapon of annoyance. Low lethality, but still harmful enough to injure a guy and make him reconsider his options. Most ninja used other means, such as poisoned tea or real weapons like bows for actual leg-work. Samurai, as a regular force compared to the irregular ninja, used bows for projectile weapons.
turbid horizon
Shuriken weren't really 'used' by anyone. They were most (and the word 'most' is...
Yeah I have heard before that shurikens were barely a weapon, I just remember also hearing that the same annoyance tactic may have been used by Samurai but frankly I couldn't say where I heard that
turbid horizon
Ice would likely be a lot better if they made it so fire didn't resist it (snow can put out fire, so resisting it doesn't really make sense) and water was weak to it (water could do with an extra weakness and I'd argue freezing counts)
rain quarry
I suppose because water also melts ice and erodes Ice sheets like it does to rock, you could say they cancel each other out and making it neutral makes sense
turbid horizon
I suppose because water also melts ice and erodes Ice sheets like it does to roc...
Anything but resisting it would be better, but ice needs a win
Plus I like ice being super effective against water because that means the Kanto starters are all weak to it aside from mega venusaur
And something about the most overhyped generation of starters being weak to the current weakest type is particularly funny
rain quarry
It could work, it wouldn't neccesarily hurt I suppose. The thing about Ice, as I said before in another channel, is that the type itself isn't bad, it's just that most ice type pokemon don't take advantage of Ice's glass cannon style
Because Ice is a great offensive type, it's super effective against the most pokemon in the dex
turbid horizon
I've said before ice being super against rock whilst retaining rock being super against it would be interesting because I don't think we currently have different types that are weak to and strong against eachother and it would be a cool reference to glacial erosion but rock doesn't resist it so it wouldn't change much
rain quarry
They probably don't want rock to have even more weaknesses, rock kinda gets its lunch money stolen by steel already
olive dagger
Grass should beat grass because grass kills grass like parasites
turbid horizon
I mean tbh I'd have preferred all the starter types be neutral to one another
Because I wouldn't exactly say that fire doesn't have an effect on fire
Same for water and grass
Plus I think them being neutral to themselves is a better display of type matchups
Because then the starter types would display super effective, not very effective and neutral all contained within themselves
royal tree
Grass should beat grass because grass kills grass like parasites
Thats why poison is super effective against grass, poison is associated with parasites
turbid horizon
Thats why poison is super effective against grass, poison is associated with par...
Aye but I'd argue poison itself does a good job at killing plants too
royal tree
Both do
olive dagger
Thats why poison is super effective against grass, poison is associated with par...
Then grass beats poison because grass finds a way to resist and beat poison then poison beats poison because poison poisons the poisonous entity
royal tree
what?
slow ferry
It's evolution, baby.
olive dagger
and then grass beats flying because if bird eats grass seed then they will grow grass in them and grass take nutrient and kill bird so grass beats flying now
turbid horizon
No, seeds don't grow in birds
Seeds get pooped out by birds
Flying type moves should heal grass types
torpid dirge
With pin missile and icicle spear being the main idea, plus water shuriken at la...
I'm gonna be honest with ya chief, Samurai didn't use any of the sort. In terms of combat on the field they sat on top a horse and shot at the enemy with a bow. Having their men do most of the melee combat. Rarely if ever they fought close combat. So a realistically accurate Samurott would be more like water-type decidueye
drifting thunder
started playing pokemon unbound for the first time. it's pretty fun
turbid horizon
I think grass should resist fairy
Because like
Why would fairies harm wildlife, and particularly mushrooms, which are included within the grass type list
And I think the counterbalance for grass having so many weaknesses is it having some good resistances
Which fairy would be a VERY good resistance
rain quarry
Makes sense to me
olive dagger
Ice resists water because ice is cold water
turbid horizon
I went over ice and water yesterday, there's a few ways it could go
olive dagger
Water is just warm ice
turbid horizon
Actually ice is just erect water
rain quarry
All pokemon are ground type because they have minerals in their bodies
turbid horizon
I'm still a sucker for the idea of sound type
rain quarry
I'm not
drifting thunder
if you try to apply logic, then every type should be weak to fire, because enough fire will kill anything
turbid horizon
Sound Pokémon are so cool and yet a lot of them don't even get stab with the good sound moves
rain quarry
Sound being an additional trait for moves is cool but making it into a type is kinda silly. This was something people were kinda making jokes about in spriter general like a week or so ago
drifting thunder
I dont think it's silly. If anything, it feels awkward for it to be an invisible trait that moves have
turbid horizon
I'd also like it as a type that is weak to itself, because sound can cancel itself out. That would also make soundproof an extra useful ability
rain quarry
Well sound isn't the only invisible trait in pokemon's moves, there's actually quite a few and making a sound type would be like making a "ball type" or a "jaw type" it's such a specific thing and personally I like it being just a trait, I don't think its awkward at all
olive dagger
Cant wait to make use of cacophony
turbid horizon
I can sort of swing either way on it, but regardless I would like a new type of some sort. Sound just seems like the easy answer.
drifting thunder
I've gone through those traits and sound is by far the most common one aside from things like "making contact"
also ball/bite/punch moves are more obvious due to their names
they tend to follow a common naming scheme
turbid horizon
Fighting is often portrayed as more a concept of heroism
Dark is usually less literal dark and more a concept of evil or trickery
Fairy is often portrayed more as a concept of pure and good than the literal fairy creature
I propose a fourth type along these lines:
Lust.
rain quarry
Well, you'd make people in this server happy
turbid horizon
Lust would be applied to the Pokémon we're all thinking of. Y'know, the ones that just make sense.
Like Kanghaskan
floral thunder
I'm still a sucker for the idea of sound type
sound is a way of attacking, not a element, applying this logic to other ways of attacking gets you this
ball type when
launcher type when
punch type when
powder type when
turbid horizon
Because every Kanghaskan has fucked.
drifting thunder
sound is a way of attacking, not a element, applying this logic to other ways of...
fighting is a way of attacking, not an element
turbid horizon
sound is a way of attacking, not a element, applying this logic to other ways of...
Dragons, famously an element
Y'know
Helium, Carbon Dioxide, Hookfang
floral thunder
sound is still a inherent horrible idea
turbid horizon
You say this without making much of an argument to suggest it actually is
floral thunder
yeah let's kill all decent special normal attacks for a tiny portion of mons to use it as stab
hyper voice gone, boomburst also gone
leave you with like
TRI attack or some bs
drifting thunder
the difference between sound moves and stuff like ball/launcher/punch is that it's more like a type in that there's no common naming scheme, the number of moves that have it (or would make sense to have it if they don't) is really high
turbid horizon
yeah let's kill all decent special normal attacks for a tiny portion of mons to ...
Normal type being dunked on by Gamefreak is not an argument against sound as a typing. If anything it's just more reason to give normal type more love, because it's good attacks should not be primarily yelling louder than a jet plane.
Because most normal things cannot scream loud enough to kill you stone dead.
I'd worry less about them adding sound and worry more about them removing Return
Why the fuck
drifting thunder
Fairy already gutted a lot of Normal's stuff anyway, so it wouldn't be the first time they do that. Same with Dark type stealing moves like Bite
floral thunder
:Unamused:
floral thunder
I'd worry less about them adding sound and worry more about them removing Return
return being removed was a horrible idea indeed
and name a single ROM hack or whatever that does sound type right then
or balances types such as dark/fairy
drifting thunder
the one I'm working on that won't exist for a very long time because it's very low priority for me
turbid horizon
I haven't played any ROM hacks with sound typing because most ROM hacks aren't interesting to me
drifting thunder
in my project's case, it helps that multi-type moves will be a thing, so most sound moves will keep their original typing, they'll just also gain sound type
floral thunder
dual stab :woke:
turbid horizon
Outside of Infinite Fusion I prefer hacks that add fakemon or new mega evolutions/forms because those are the things I like about new Pokémon games
I guess infinite fusion counts as fakemon but it's a weird position
rain quarry
I've always considered fusions in a seperate category to Fakemon, but yeah I guess it could go either-way
floral thunder
testing
turbid horizon
Honestly I don't typically dislike Pokémon having three stages
But I don't think Loudred is necessary.
I don't hate it, but I think it kind of undermines the change from Whismurr to Exploud by having a sort of stop-off point
And I think it's ears are kind of out of place, even introducing a red and black that Exploud doesn't have on it
I'd have preferred it was just Whismurr to Exploud
With a high level to evolve, like Larvesta and Volcarona
Like it's actually explouding out of this juvenile form
Either that, or it should have been pseudo legendary
Pseudo legend Exploud would have been a good normal type pseudo
dense pilot
But I don't think Loudred is necessary.
terrible take
turbid horizon
terrible take
I like its design and stuff I just don't like it being slotted between Whismurr and Exploud
olive dagger
But I don't think Loudred is necessary.
Obtain more logical and better opinion
dense pilot
Obtain more logical and better opinion
🤝
turbid horizon
Be better if it went Whismurr, Exploud, Haxorus tbh
fallen lintel
I am looking at the fan created possible sprigatito evolutions
they go 2 ways, panther.. or cat woman in a dress
turbid horizon
I want an Iberian Lynx
It's like The Spanish Big Cat, so it fits the region
And Sprigatito is already set up with the face tufts to look like one
turbid horizon
Plus they're a big cat that naturally fits Pokémon design because they look just Pokemon-y enough
I don't like the sabertooth stuff, I haven't seen one that looks good yet :/
fallen lintel
@turbid horizon https://www.deviantart.com/lyvenex/art/Pokemon-Sprigatito-Fan-Evolutions-909395120 here
tawny iron
wtf is that link?
fallen lintel
deviantart pages
fallen lintel
it was a picture
floral thunder
speed
turbid horizon
Eelektross really would have benefited from a mega evolution
It's ability and typing is perfect, that's like it's whole gimmick, but it just needs a straight increase to its stats to be made viable
That being said, maybe something like a Z Move would have been fairer, because then there'd actually be some risk before getting the boost (given that it would likely move last)
Something like Z Happy Hour
spice warren
i dont think a mega would work for eel
design wise
because theres nothing really to expand on
beyond... idk, arbitrarily making his hangs bigger or whatever
he fulfills his concept entirely
turbid horizon
i dont think a mega would work for eel
Well my best idea would be making it some real Subnautica shit
But honestly that would work better as a Gigantamax
spice warren
basically yeah
turbid horizon
It just doesn't solve the stat issue
spice warren
if you really wanted to do spooooooky eel
theres a reason why mega flygon didnt happen
turbid horizon
Which is where the Z happy hour-style move comes in
Because a flat boost to either all its stats, or even a double boost to the most important could make it viable
spice warren
in order to be a proper gmax the z move has to be worse than the normal one though
g move
turbid horizon
Without having to workshop and end up with an overdone design
turbid horizon
in order to be a proper gmax the z move has to be worse than the normal one thou...
No I meant that design wise, a Gigantamax would be best for it
But gameplay wise I think a Z move would have worked well
To achieve something like Happy Hour Jirachi
spice warren
then the issue is "whys eel getting a z move for him specifically
turbid horizon
But Z moves are more dead in the water than megas I think, because megas feel more likely to return
I think I'd actually prefer if the Scarlet and Violet gimmick was an out of battle thing
Or something that's permanently applied
We've already seen the stones for it in the Japanese titles
Hell, I'd even take armoured Pokémon at this point
olive dagger
Or they go the lazy way and add gen 678 mechanics and somehow add a mechanic more bullshit than dynamax
turbid horizon
In hindsight
There's a very simple fix for Loudred which would make me okay with it being between Whismurr and Exploud
If it had a proper tail I think it would be better because it would better show the progression
Instead of Whismurr and Loudred just having the soundussy
And then Exploud finally being censored
turbid horizon
I'm using a monotype dark team based on the Brycenman team in BW2 and it's actually pretty fucking great but it's main issue is normal type monotype teams
It's mega Lopunny, the only check I've got for it is scarf Hydreigon
If that goes down I'm fucked
agile inlet
Some pogo players who catch some stufull yesterday?
toxic mist
Yep, me. I even brought my plushies with me.
agile inlet
You get a good one?
agile inlet
Yep, me. I even brought my plushies with me.
They're cute as fuck x)
hasty wyvern
i got 8 shiny stuffuls yesturday
turbid horizon
Regional Scrafty idea based on snobby rich assholes who wear suits
With the signature ability V.I.P.
It increases their priority moves priority by one
So like if it used sucker punch, and Weavile used ice shard, even though Weavile is faster and would typically take priority, this Scrafty would still move first
night palm
That's actually so cool
As a scrafty fan
I approve
It should be an a america like region
Since that's where all the snotty rich people are
turbid horizon
It should be an a america like region
Scrafty's to represent different areas of America
night palm
Scrafty's to represent different areas of America
True
turbid horizon
Southern Scrafty with overalls
Honestly I love Unova but unless the game we revisit it with majorly changes how we view the region, I think they're gonna have to add new areas at the very least to make it feel fresh
They could either connect two regions, which is a simple answer that made Soulsilver/Heartgold great
Or they could just expand on Unova itself
They even already have a whole city lined up from the anime, New Tork City
Which the Genesect army essentially attacked in the movie
So introducing New Tork City could be a good way to give Genesect a proper introduction to the main series
icy glade
Things I would LOVE to see in pokemon games:
- Custom animations/establishing shots before major battles, and custom cutscenes for each ace pokemon
- More establishing shots/animations the first time you enter a route/area
- Important dialogue is done in more cinematic cutscenes/animations
- Changes in colour/slight differences of most pokemon between major landmarks (like east/west shellos)
- Natural colour variations in some pokemon (like brown or black patches/spots that randomly generate)
- Roguelike dungeons like mystery dungeon hidden in routes or as part of a route (like a sandstorm swept desert or deep cave) for more replayability,
- Far more plot building/lore of elite 4 members in town npc dialogue or plot events that demonstrate why they are strong/scary enough to be elite 4 members
- Routes that are more expansive or mechanics that make you have to plan your journeys from route to route more challenging and feel more like a journey than sprinting 4 minutes to next town
- Pokemon hanging out in areas you can't reach or flying overhead for decoration to make the routes feel less empty
rain quarry
Major battles being more cinematic in general would be pretty cool, it'd make things like Champion battles cooler definitely
bitter sentinel
This is good stuff
cunning parrot
Interesting ideas, that’s why GameFreak would never consider them
Though gen 6 and 7 did have that 9th suggestion a bit
turbid horizon
Steel shouldn't be immune to poison, ghost should
It makes no sense that the metal type, something that is susceptible to acid, is immune to the type that encompasses acid
Whilst ghosts just resist it
And steel doesn't need more defenses
The only issue is that it would mean ghost is immune to two types, but it already resists poison anyway
Plus with the nature of ghosts, being immune to multiple things could make sense
Though another weakness would maybe have to be tacked on to balance it
I do recognise it would make Dusclops fucking nuts with toxic resistance
cunning parrot
Poison isn’t the same thing as acid, there’s even only two moves that have acid in the name and only one of those is attacking
turbid horizon
Poison isn’t the same thing as acid, there’s even only two moves that have acid ...
Poison and it's Pokémon are linked with acid more than any other Pokémon.
Snow I believe only has one move with it in the name
But it's still definitely an ice type thing
rain quarry
I think the logic they're using is that it's venom against metal, and it's the reason why Salazzle's Corrosive ability bypasses this, that does explain the reasoning but it's a little weird that moves that are Acidic don't affect Steel by default. I can forgive alot of poison moves for being ineffective but something like Acid totally should work
cunning parrot
Poison and it's Pokémon are linked with acid more than any other Pokémon.
It’s not like Pokémon has to take everything that exists into account when making type combinations
Fire should beat rock since fire burns up coal
royal tree
Isn’t coal plant matter anyways?
cunning parrot
Isn’t that charcoal
royal tree
Coal is formed over a long time and pressure, charcoal is a short time and heat
Both are formed from plant matter
turbid horizon
It’s not like Pokémon has to take everything that exists into account when makin...
Even if it's just poison I would argue that dead people are less susceptible than metals
rain quarry
I've always wondered just how organic ghost types are
Like, does Gengar have "flesh" or what, he has a tongue and pink inside his mouth sometimes, I wonder
And then there's things like Gourgeist who seem to just be living creatures with spirit magic, I guess
drifting thunder
always found it weird how "lick" is a ghost type move
turbid horizon
See, people complain that it's cursed
But Pokémon edibility actually provides a lot of great theories to the physiology of Pokémon
night palm
Why is bite a dark type move
turbid horizon
Why is bite a dark type move
Because eating is evil
royal tree
Biting someone is an underhanded trick in a fight
night palm
Because eating is evil
Well I guess I am a law abiding citizen in Pokemon
turbid horizon
Well I guess I am a law abiding citizen in Pokemon <:huehue:742100381911482479>
Unless you're a filthy fucking Galarian
How dare they eat
On screen no less
I can't show that to my kids
night palm
Unless you're a filthy fucking Galarian
I am not
Me and my squad starve as a team
Did since gen 3 we can do it forever
Imagine "e*ting" to survive
What a silly thing
Silly little theory for silly little people
turbid horizon
I'm just saying they shouldn't do it in public
rain quarry
Eating's ok as long as you have no teeth
night palm
They shouldn't e*t period 
turbid horizon
I think it's funny that lemonade and the like is the better and more cost effective healing item in most of the Pokémon games
Feed your dog sprite
cunning parrot
Even if it's just poison I would argue that dead people are less susceptible tha...
Ghosts should be immune to all attacks because they’re incorporeal
turbid horizon
Ghosts should be immune to all attacks because they’re incorporeal
Psychic is also incorporeal
night palm
Ghosts should be immune to all attacks because they’re incorporeal
Gengar in gen 1
cunning parrot
always found it weird how "lick" is a ghost type move
It’s a Japanese culture thing, they often have ghosts with long tongues who lick
night palm
Psychic is also incorporeal
Alakazam in gen 1
turbid horizon
Snorlax in gen 1
cunning parrot
Gengar in gen 1
Psychic was super effective against ghost
turbid horizon
I think psychic should still be super effective against ghost tbh. It would have been a cool nod to keep for the Alakazam VS Gengar thing (yes Alakazam is super effective because of poison but whatever)
I think it makes sense because of psychics doing exorcisms and shit
cunning parrot
Basically you want the type chart to be even more unbalanced
turbid horizon
And having them be super effective to one another is a cool matchup
rain quarry
Psychic wasn't super effective against ghosts, it's just that the only ghost happened to be a poison type
turbid horizon
Basically you want the type chart to be even more unbalanced
You know what yeah I do
What are you gonna do about it
Normal should be super effective against fairy because fairies aren't real
Normal should be super effective against ice
rain quarry
Ghost should be weak to everything because they don't even exist
turbid horizon
I'm an average guy, I can break ice
Poison should also be super effective against ice
Pollution is kicking ices asss
rain quarry
Fire should be super effective against all types because everything has a melting point sooner or later
cunning parrot
Normal should beat all types because it was normal people that invented every invention, which includes things to beat everything else
turbid horizon
Ice should be super effective against fire because you of in the cold food of out hot eat the food
rain quarry
turbid horizon
Dragon should be super effective against and immune to everything
It's a FUCKING DRAGON
Have YOU ever seen a dragon get hurt in real life?
A DRAGON CAN BREAK METAL GAMEFREAK HELLO
"oH bUt KnIgHtS aRmOuR!!" KNIGHTS USUALLY LOSE
WHY DO YOU THINK IT'S SUCH A BIG DEAL WHEN THEY AREN'T EATEN
BECAUSE IT'S UNEXPECTED
THE KINGS LIKE "holy shit, Sir Crapenshitten just KILLED A DRAGON"
"I better give him my daughter's hand in marriage because that's INSANE"
rain quarry
I mean, that part's realistic, hands in marriage have been offered for way less than that in history
I think there was a gnoggin theory about how Dragon is essentially the "ancient magic" type and I kinda like that, I wish there were pokemon that leaned into that aspect
turbid horizon
Damn millennials and their new fangled fairy magic
Always texting on their clefables
BACK IN MY DAY THAT WAS A NORMAL TYPE
I don't like the view that everyone believes in Arceus with no questioning, or at least sees it as their god
For one, only Sinnoh would have any reason to definitively believe in it being God 100%
And for another, even if everyone is in agreement that it created the universe, we know worship existed before knowledge of it
And frankly, it's pretty shit outside of creation
What, you couldn't handle your dragon children on your own?
floral thunder
why worship a goat stuck on a fence when you can worship mega rayquaza or dracovish
turbid horizon
It makes more sense to me that different people would worship different Pokémon. Why would Hoenn residents not view Rayquaza as more of a God?
rain quarry
They kinda do
turbid horizon
Arceus never saved them from horrible natural disaster
rain quarry
I mean, how many people do we actually see in-game worshipping arceus? It's not that many compared to what you'd think for a god
turbid horizon
I'm not saying this isn't how it seems in the games I mean more in a fandom sense
It's always "Thank Arceus" as a joke or shit like that
floral thunder
what?
turbid horizon
But like
Hoenn people would be more inclined to incurr the wrath of Groudon, or Kyogre right?
floral thunder
the fandom knows arceus is pretty shitty comparred to the other power creeped legends
turbid horizon
the fandom knows arceus is pretty shitty comparred to the other power creeped le...
In fan works, Arceus is often used as a funny stand-in for God in phrases like Thank God or God Damnit
Some fan games even have Arceus worship in regions entirely unrelated to Sinnoh
I'm arguing that there's no reason Arceus would be the popular choice of worship in these cases
rain quarry
Legends Arceus does add on that the Arceus we see is just a fraction of whatever the real "Arceus" is, which probably explains why its not the absolute strongest ig
turbid horizon
Legends Arceus does add on that the Arceus we see is just a fraction of whatever...
Yeah but honestly even then Arceus obviously has something stopping it from properly handling its own problems
I think it's possible that Arceus may only exist in these fragmented states, or maybe that it can only manifest some of its power full-stop
And that the rest is sealed away somehow
rain quarry
Probably. It's probably whatever the 10,000 hands thing mentioned in the pokedex is
turbid horizon
It would be cool with the developing multiverse if Arceus was a multiversal constant
Every universe gets a bit of Arceus, but Arceus cannot necessarily save those universes from threats without employing help from those within them
rain quarry
It's probably a coincidence but if you take away Arceus' head he kinda looks like a hand
rain quarry
Decapitated fence llama
turbid horizon
But yeah, basically
I want people to get more creative with their Pokémon blasphemy
Any ancient Pokémon has a strong case for being worshipped
Any legendary really, but some don't make as much sense
Mewtwo worshippers would be more of a power cult
rain quarry
Alot of them do have temples, even Volcarona got one
floral thunder
It's probably a coincidence but if you take away Arceus' head he kinda looks lik...
oh my
i just noticed that
i like that alot
rain quarry
It's cool, but there is kind of an element of perspective trickery here because if he wasn't posed like that he wouldn't look like a hand
turbid horizon
Alot of them do have temples, even Volcarona got one
Exactly, loads of Pokémon are important to a worship sense in canon, so why does Arceus get all the Almighty stuff for the jokes? Hell, even Bidoof works as an in-universe joke
Thank Bidoof for that
Bidoof bless you
It's way better
night palm
It's probably a coincidence but if you take away Arceus' head he kinda looks lik...
Yo that's cool
rain quarry
There's also Giratina's satanism stuff which, honestly is a little weird because aside from the fact that he's a fallen there's not much comparison
Like he's not evil or anything
turbid horizon
Honestly Giratina is very understandable
You go a bit feral and suddenly you don't get to hang out in space time anymore
rain quarry
I wonder what Giratina's act of violence was
turbid horizon
Tax fraud
rain quarry
Arceus is the IRS
turbid horizon
Unova and Sinnoh both actually have grounds for seeing the forces of nature as beings of worship given that they are actively blessings and curses when they're around
Enamorus is kind of a typical fertility goddess figure I suppose?
Maybe cupid-esque for some people?
Pokémon valentine's Day is Enamorus Day
And it is a lot less PG than anything we have
rain quarry
Enamorus brings both love and the budding of spring while Landorus provides fertile soil, so they're both Fertility gods but just in different ways
turbid horizon
And Enamorus said to the animals GO FORTH AND BONE
Landorus is the Cupid of farmers
Landorus is FarmersOnly.com
rain quarry
Thunderus and Tornadus on the otherhand purely just go around and destroy things for fun
turbid horizon
Thunderus and Tornadus on the otherhand purely just go around and destroy things...
This is actually defamation
Tornadus called Thundurus a stinky hoe
So all the drama is very deserved
Frankly we should cancel Tornadus
It was out of line
We can all agree
rain quarry
Cancel Culture comes for the Kami
turbid horizon
#Tornadusisoverparty
That thing where all those fucking Americans tried to stop a Tornado by shooting it actually did happen in the Pokémon universe
But they were just trying to blow Tornadus out of the sky
shrewd furnace
It's probably a coincidence but if you take away Arceus' head he kinda looks lik...
You can combine the three legendaries and get Arceus out of them.
rain quarry
That one I think I saw somewhere too aswell, it's pretty cool and probably intentional
pine ingot
A small question is someone experienced with Pokemon randomizer roms
Because i started one and it went good but i accidantly forgot to activate a rule so i wanted to ask how i can change it or if i can change it after i started
And how i change the pokemon back that its like with the rule
Idk if its okay to write that here in the channel but its the closest to find people who understand
(Problem for short: Platin Randomizer forgot to activate that the evolution line keeps its abilitys and now 2 mons have bad abilitys)
Note: you guys can @ me or dm me i really need help for this
cunning parrot
@pine ingot
Try using your randomized ROM in the randomization tool and selecting keep abilities
If that doesn’t work, you probably have to make a new thing entirely
pine ingot
<@456226577798135808>
Try using your randomized ROM in the randomization tool a...
I will try
2 mons of mine have to live with less good abilitys but its fine ig i will get more encounter
Thanks for trying to help
icy glade
Should feeding ur pokemon be a part of the mechanics? (Like pokefood once a day, where if you feed them a certain type it increases happiness and the wrong type it decreases happiness)
And if they go hungry they get debuffed
But berries and other food items decrease hunger
olive dagger
I keep thinking fighting is super effective against fighting
bitter sentinel
If you added a hunger mechanich you'd just be adding another item to the resourse management pile
glass goblet
Just wanna share my Shield Team
steady reef
cool team
glass goblet
Thanks
steady reef
doubt the thievul's seeing much use
glass goblet
He ate Bede 😅
hasty wyvern
attempt one of my blaze black 2 redux nuzlocke what starter do i chose
turbid horizon
attempt one of my blaze black 2 redux nuzlocke what starter do i chose
Oshawott or Tepig, Blaze Black 2 doesn't change Serperior enough for it to be interesting
floral thunder
cant go wrong with contrary
hasty wyvern
oshawott seems good and shell armor until 36
turbid horizon
oshawott seems good and shell armor until 36
I played the normal BBVW2 with Oshawott, very solid changes
Apparently it gets shell smash but even without it, it was good
hasty wyvern
i love getting wiped on gym 1 to stupid attract rng
cunning parrot
Whitney moment
hasty wyvern
look at this death box i have 3 badges
olive dagger
have you considered necromancy?
knotty void
Um Actually-style Pokemon Trivia (this is an incorrect statement, figure out what's wrong):
While Pokemon Crystal required a Game Boy Color, Pokemon Gold and Silver actually supported running on an original Game Boy in all territories. While the Gold and Silver cartridges were special gold and silver colored plastic in the US, they were black cartridges in Japan, which indicates a Game Boy game with a Color-enhanced palette - even though the Japanese cartridge art had the Game Boy Color Logo!
olive dagger
Why do I keep thinking fighting is super effective against fighting
cunning parrot
Um Actually-style Pokemon Trivia (this is an incorrect statement, figure out wha...
But if that were true, shinies couldn’t exist
spice warren
ehh