other-pokemon-games

[noble sphinx]

I'm wondering if they take the Trainer Teams from Platinum. I mean in DP almost everyone had a Steelix and the || fire elite four only had 2 fire types and the rest was... just thrown in there.|| Cynthia will probably be less of a challenge cause Fairies are a thing.

[tawny iron]

What do you think of the art style?

[noble sphinx]

I dont like the chibi overworld sprites

They seem way too tiny

And I'm missing the outlines

[tawny iron]

I dont like how it looks and the fact that it is a 1 to 1 at all.

I'm not getting it, which is sad cuz gen 4 is my favorite gen xD

[noble sphinx]

Well, I kinda expected Gen 8 graphics

I am a bit disappointed

[open stirrup]

I'm disappointed that the other game was also shinnoh, that really limits the pokemon variety. Hopefully it will have newer pokemon.

[tawny iron]

There is already the gen 7 owl, so I'd assume

[open stirrup]

Ya, but it says that was brought by a professor

[finite prism]

yeah but that also means that possibly more pokemon could be brought by other people into the region

[rustic estuary]

Yes

Don't forget that people already live there and that the goal is to form the first sinnoh dex

In the Pokémon world they will most likely have Pokémon here already.

[gloomy vector]

one thing I just noticed is they seemed to have fixed Cyndaquils fire problem

it's not gone no more

[tawny iron]

Who knows, that might just be because its a cutscene

[gloomy vector]

ya I kinda agree with you

but they might have fixed it

also people have started hating on the gen4 remakes art style

[tawny iron]

Oh yeah, I'm one of them lol

I think it looks really bad

[rustic wolf]

yeah the overworld style looks super cheap and phone game like, people have all the right to hate on it, like the battle scenes looks alright, but the overworld just shouldnt be like this for a big ass company like pokemon, just why did they give it to a company who only has made damn phone games

[patent iron]

I am extremely happy that pokemon is using chibi overworld characters

Chibi is by far my most favorite art style

[gloomy vector]

bruh

why are you hating on it when it just got announced yesterday

so of course it's going to look a little shitty

also they probably used the masters models for the battle trainers that would explain why they look kinda bad

also this stone Arceus is cute and cool

[sonic ginkgo]

Damn looking good

[thin pasture]

Hell nah😂😂

[rustic wolf]

thats the thing, imo it isnt a little shitty, its very shitty, again especially cuz its from the best selling company in the world, like biggest grossing or something, in any case they make a shit ton of money, their games shouldnt look like this, its crappy, just look at what creedos just posted, its goddamn phone level design, this is for the damn console that could run botw, and now their making this? its just bad looking, fact

[finite prism]

I love that it says in-app purchases besides the 60$

What are you gonna do? Buy actual pokemon? Lmao

[gloomy vector]

stop it ok

[rustic wolf]

i mean thats kinda what the dlc for swsh were lol

[long narwhal]

LOL

[rustic wolf]

fine, its your 60 bucks wasted

[gloomy vector]

bruh

[open stirrup]

At least gimme another pokemon colosseum.

[gloomy vector]

it just got announced YESTERDAY

so no shit it looks bad

[tawny iron]

Wait, which game are we talking about?

[gloomy vector]

BDSP

[open stirrup]

You think it's magically gonna change?

It launches later this year

[tawny iron]

They will look exactly the same at release. Maybe some changes in shading, but thats it

[gloomy vector]

IT'S IN EARLY DEVELOPMENT

SO YES

[tawny iron]

The game comes out this fall. So it's pretty much 80% done at least

[rustic wolf]

No it aint, it gonna be launched this year!

[gloomy vector]

ALSO LIGHT AND TEXTURES ARE USUALLY LAST TO LOOK GOOD

[rustic wolf]

THE BASE MODELS LOOK SHIT IT AINT JUST THE TEXTURES

[gloomy vector]

THAT"S CAUSE THERE PROBABLY FROM MASTERS

[tawny iron]

The textures are final. This is not a kind of game where that changes later on

[thin pasture]

ANGER

[rustic wolf]

I MEAN THE OVERWORLD ONES

[open stirrup]

So the good looking parts are from a mobile game?

[rustic wolf]

no thats just a meem

[gloomy vector]

what you don't like Chibi

cause I think there cute

[rustic wolf]

its badly excecuted chibi

[tawny iron]

I hate them

[long narwhal]

'several people are typing'

[thin pasture]

Ever seen those kids toys, pinypons?

[gloomy vector]

also there meant to look like there original SPRITES

[open stirrup]

Overworld looks like it was actually on the ds

[gloomy vector]

that's why they look a little off

[thin pasture]

a little

[tawny iron]

Nah, the sprites had regular sized heads. The 3D models just look stupid imo

[gloomy vector]

ok I'm fucking done

[rustic wolf]

AND THATS THE PROBLEM SPRITES DONT WORK IN 3D THATS, THATS MY POINT IT COULDVE BEEN DONE WELL, THE IDEA IS GOOD, BUT WHAT THEY HAVE SHOWN IS, IS BAD

[tawny iron]

use smol text pls

[open stirrup]

It'll still sell well cause pokemon fans are suckers

[rustic wolf]

aight, sorry, will no longer do it

[gloomy vector]

also thanks you people who hate on it have straight up fucked with my excitement for this game

[tawny iron]

Thanks, it was hurting my ears

[tawny iron]

People are allowed to not like what they see 👀

[sonic ginkgo]

It honestly seems like GF worked on the legends Arceus game and intended to release that instead of a remake. But due to covid they wouldnt be able to finish it in 2021. SO they made a last minute decision to hire ILCA to push a game out for the holiday market. Im 100% certain that they know it looks like shit but they just push it out to maximize profit.

[rustic wolf]

im sorry but pokemon is making something crappy, i get it, you probs want to go on another fun pokemon adventure, but as a fan you can still be critical of something you love and thats at least why im hating on it, cuz i wanted it to be good

[gloomy vector]

cause I feel like I'd like it

but you guys have to point oh it looks like shit when it looks fine

[tawny iron]

Different people have different oppinions and enjoy different stuff

[sonic ginkgo]

I wouldn't be suprised if the remakes started developement in january or something

[rustic wolf]

welcome the internet/being on a public space, if you cant handle other opionions than sorry but than avoid talking about the game i guess

[tawny iron]

I would have loved if they just combined the 2 games and had a open word-ish sinnoh remake in the same timeline as the original games

[gloomy vector]

I can but you people need to also see the other light

[rustic wolf]

you think it looks fine, we think it dont, in the end there isnt a objective answer i suppose

[open stirrup]

Man, i was really hoping for a let's go johto

[gloomy vector]

see what other people might like about about it

[rustic wolf]

are you seeing our light then as well?

[gloomy vector]

yes I can see that it's shit looking but it's fine

[sonic ginkgo]

Do you think we do that just for the lulz? I deeply care about the games and its just sad to see it butchered like that.

[tawny iron]

I also dont like the fact that it is just 1 to 1 DP. There isnt anything new in there

[open stirrup]

Might as well go play the original

Looks about the same

[tawny iron]

yeah, I agree

~~better even ~~

[sonic ginkgo]

Like i love DP

[gloomy vector]

it's not butchered

[open stirrup]

Oras at least had megas

[sonic ginkgo]

but why should i play a bad 1:1 remake that looks worse than X/Y when i can play platinum?

[rustic wolf]

they could reveal something, so there might be hope for that point (but they did say it was VERY close) and i think cuz another company is in charge of making it, they would probs not do anything expermental as its not the main team

[open stirrup]

I wonder if they'll finally add in the battlefrontier. Dp had that, right?

[gloomy vector]

also explain to me how it looks worse then XY

[sonic ginkgo]

looks fine for a Ds game

[gloomy vector]

THAT'S CAUSE ITS MEANT TO CREATE THAT FEELLING

[tawny iron]

Nope, only platinum

So it wont be there 99%

[gloomy vector]

that is it a DS

game

[tawny iron]

I prefer the way the chibis looked in XY too tbh
That being said, I really don't like XY either

[rustic wolf]

^same but the chibi there was way more stylized than poopy diamond and stinky pearl (sorry couldnt help to make that ''joke''

[sonic ginkgo]

It looks bad... Even if you like the Chibi style like Links Awakening its just objectively bad...

[gloomy vector]

how so

how is it bad

[rustic wolf]

bad shading, weird hands, too big heads

[gloomy vector]

give me the reason

[sonic ginkgo]

I mean i cant convince you if you dont see that

[tawny iron]

thats not how that works. There is no objectively bad in art direction like that

[gloomy vector]

the shading probably going to be fixed

[sonic ginkgo]

let me get a comparison to LA

[tawny iron]

The wild area is objectively bad for example

[open stirrup]

The chibi art style doesn't gel well with the 3d battle models they're pairing it with.

[rustic wolf]

then you still have the wonky body proportions

[open stirrup]

The legend game is nothing but the wild area

It looked so empty

[rustic wolf]

just look ar the damn hands of the remakes, they dont look right

[tawny iron]

Agreed. There is no one art direction there. Its a bunch of stuff that doesnt really fit together

[gloomy vector]

thanks guys now I don't know if I want to buy the remakes of the first pokemon games I played

thanks for spoiling that excitement

[open stirrup]

Cool, glad we could help

[tawny iron]

If you like it go and buy it. Nothing wrong with that

[gloomy vector]

shit heads

[tawny iron]

And the people that dont like it don't buy it

[open stirrup]

Links awakening looked nice

[sonic ginkgo]

yeah

[spare needle]

Yah

[sonic ginkgo]

you can make that style work

but the DP one just looks bad

the Battle animations are also exactly copied from SW/SH

[tawny iron]

nonono

copied from XY

Same animations for like 8 years now

I'm so done with those too

[sonic ginkgo]

Yeah the pokemon ones. But the trainer animation skeleton is the same as in SW/SH

[tawny iron]

Oh, thats what you mean

[sonic ginkgo]

So the only new thing they did was remake the overworld and it looks worse than a mobile game :S

[spare needle]

Ow.... yes but ow

[rustic wolf]

i hope i can visualise why d/p is bad like this, at least to an extend, cuz explaining how art is bad is hard, especially when someone doesnt want to listen

[spare needle]

It helps

[tawny iron]

I agree with your points made

[rustic wolf]

ya could've dropped out of the convo anytime ya wanted and from yesterday you should know that most people here are critical of the art direction

[spare needle]

I think it SHOULD have worked, but they made some screwups

[sonic ginkgo]

Well maybe in 15 years we can get DP remakes again :'))

[lament cradle]

Tbh besides a glossier texture and more furniture there's not that big of a difference.

[spare needle]

I’m just hoping for something to change up the games (like megas)

[gloomy vector]

I feel like there's a good quote for this

and it's from a youtuber

[rustic wolf]

''blah blah blah im not listening?''

[sonic ginkgo]

I mean the shadow the lighting. LA looks way better

[spare needle]

But I wasn’t alive when the games where in the large (only got into the games with ORAS) so I’ll get it no matter what

[rustic wolf]

(id still recommand the originals, but fair enough reason)

[open stirrup]

Links awakening captures that made of clay look.

[lament cradle]

I don't see it.

[tawny iron]

I'm just hoping they'll add the sinnoh music tracks to the Arceus game, but from the trailer it seems like they wont

[gloomy vector]

here it is
"No matter what Pokémon thing they announce this week, one thing's for certain: no one will hate it more than Pokémon fans."

[tawny iron]

Which is a shame

[spare needle]

Yah

[tawny iron]

Okay, how does that invalidate our critisism tho?

[rustic wolf]

cuz they are the ones who care about it the most

[sonic ginkgo]

Because pokemon fans are the ones who care the most?

[spare needle]

We just want pokemon to stop being lazy

[open stirrup]

It's weird that they called the arceus game an action rpg

Like i guess you can climb now

[sonic ginkgo]

obviously if you care about something you want that something to be perfect

[rustic wolf]

''No matter what Stock news gets announced this week, one things for certain: No one will hate it more than the bankers and stock people''

[tawny iron]

There are some leaks for the gameplay. Having those in mind it makes sense. Don't wanna spoil it tho

[gloomy vector]

also the quotes from Chuggaaconroy

[open stirrup]

Unless you are punching pokemon with your bare hands I'm not interested

[rustic wolf]

i think its cuz of the walkign parts from the trailer, like when they walk and throw the ball, cuz its more open world probably its an action rpg

[lament cradle]

Is there something wrong with Chuggaconroy?

[tawny iron]

Nah, he makes a cool Xenoblade 2 Lets play

[rustic wolf]

ah just another person like you and me who is just a fan and does not further add anything extra to your argument, sooooooooo dont see the point of that addition but oh well

[gloomy vector]

WAIT A MINTUE

I JUST REALIZED SOMETHING

[open stirrup]

The arceus game is just the empty wild area from swsh?

[gloomy vector]

there still getting used to the switches hardware cause these are only the second games they made for the switch

just look at XY - USUM

[tawny iron]

[gloomy vector]

or DP - BW2

[tawny iron]

You don't need to make 5 games on a console to make it look good

[gloomy vector]

they improve as they get used to the hardware

so it might get better after this

[rustic wolf]

Hahahahahaahahhahahahahah oh my god you are grasping for straws girl

[lament cradle]

Well, yeah, and they have been slowly improving.

[sonic ginkgo]

The funny thing is the DP remakes will be our main games until gen 9. Its basically confirmed that the Arceus one wont have trainer battles and is just an exploration game.

[lament cradle]

I thought everyone already knew that.

[tawny iron]

Just look at Octopath Traveler, Xenoblade 2, Xenoblade X, Splatoon and so much other stuff. All those things are developers first trys on a console

[open stirrup]

That sounds awful

[gloomy vector]

man I thought I had an actual point there

[long narwhal]

Lets go

[gloomy vector]

sh they don't count

[long narwhal]

I mean yeah they arent good at all they dont exist never happened

[lament cradle]

Let's Go would've been fine if it just wasn't $60.

[tawny iron]

The Arceus one might have multiplayer, since they seem to use the same engine they used for the wild areas in swsh

[sonic ginkgo]

Honestly at this point i would have preferred Let's Go Sinnoh and i thought that was the worst case scenario.

[open stirrup]

It's a shame that the let's go games have an extremely limited pokedex. Even randomized it's boring.

[sonic ginkgo]

maybe? but trainer battles probably wont be in there

[rustic wolf]

back to being serious, im sorry but just ''lack of experience'' isnt a real good reason, they are a big company who couldve just hired more people so their collective knowledge couldve made the game run well. Instead they outsourced to phone game maker #12348900 with 0 experience making console games. That is just bad planning and there have been enough other games on the switch that do work well, so if they can do it, why couldnt team pokemon?
plus switch is like 3 years old now, i imagine thats enough time for experts to like get to understanding their hardware

[open stirrup]

Next game better be toy pokemon.

[long narwhal]

also BOTW

[gloomy vector]

also I think the reason the remakes look shit might be because there semi made by the home devs

[tawny iron]

agreed

[open stirrup]

Switch is turning four, it's halfway through its life cycle

[tawny iron]

They should have hired monolith soft

[rustic wolf]

also agreed

[gloomy vector]

and also the remakes looks close in quality to Arceus

[sonic ginkgo]

I mean it doesn't prove that yet. But i looks to me like they will use that as an excuse to leave battles out of the game

[gloomy vector]

even though it looks nicer the textures are bad

[open stirrup]

Maybe this means you can beat up youngster joey instead of his ratata

[rustic wolf]

it doesnt look nicer, every other game looks better than the new d/p

[tawny iron]

You can still have a max party of 6 mons, so the main trainer mechanics seem to be there anyway

[rustic wolf]

maybe being a trainer isnt like an official thing, but just like what some people started doing on their own, like football was first a hobby before a world sport

[tawny iron]

I think so, yeah

[gloomy vector]

also they feel like they have the same quality to XY and ORAS

[rustic wolf]

xy/oras a few steps above new d/p tho

[gloomy vector]

eh

to you maybe

[rustic wolf]

(and a bunch of other people here)

[sonic ginkgo]

Well i just prepare for the worst. But it seems like they just want to sell that exploration feeling with catching and fighting wild pokemon.

[open stirrup]

Dp is a solid gen 5 overworld

[sonic ginkgo]

On their website they normally show which abilities the starter pokemon have. But in the Arceus one the starters don't have any abilities.

so they probably ditched that like in lets go

[gloomy vector]

lets go has abilities

[sonic ginkgo]

no?

[rustic wolf]

or they just didnt put it on the site cuz their re-used pokemon?

[sonic ginkgo]

But they did that for the Dp remakes

[rustic wolf]

''
Unfortunately, the speculation on a lack of Pokémon abilities was confirmed. Pokémon do not have abilities in Let's Go Pikachu and Eevee, ''

[rustic wolf]

oh aight idk then

[gloomy vector]

I thought they did

[rustic wolf]

nope, they emulated the old red and blue feels, also no held items

they really turned it easy and simple for the pokemon go new comers

[gloomy vector]

also something I wonder is what there going to do with the poketch and the GBA insertion encounters

[sonic ginkgo]

I mean it's just speculation at this point. But i dont have high hopes honestly

[tawny iron]

hmm

[gloomy vector]

maybe they don't have abilities cause they did not know that they had them yet

[tawny iron]

yeah, I could see them removing abilities for no reason

[rustic wolf]

poketch just gonna be some like device, inventory manager or somehing or just a phone like in black in white as it was only added for the double screeen, touch screen function and the gba encoutners they will probs just drop as well

instead just gonna have to pokemon home them

[gloomy vector]

sad Elekid noises

[sonic ginkgo]

I mean everything is possible but to me it seems like it wont be a mainline game.

[gloomy vector]

to me I feel like Arceus is the mainline game while BDSP are side

cause the art style mainly

and also the feel of them

[rustic wolf]

i think in design and effort, yes, and in reality, probably, but what they will announce as ''canon'' they will not be , im guessing the pokemon company will say

[sonic ginkgo]

They will cut corners on everything they can and just release an open world exploration pokemon go game where you can catch pokemon without leaving your house.

Maybe the story is engaging but the gameplay wont be like a mainline one

[tawny iron]

Which is sad, cuz remakes used to be a huge thing. and now tpc just said themself that the remakes are lame by not even making them the big announcement

[gloomy vector]

I mean they kinda are

but to me I feel like remakes should be more of a side game then a mainline

[sonic ginkgo]

God i was so excited yesterday and now im just kinda disappointed. I wish my fav gen would get a remake ala HG/SS...

[gloomy vector]

cause you can always play the old ones

[rustic wolf]

yeah but the remakes were cool cuz they updated the old game and -used- to add new stuff to it as well

[tawny iron]

Yeah, thats very true. Luckily DPP have aged very well aside from their slow battles

[gloomy vector]

ya sure

[rustic wolf]

indeed sure, cuz he right

[gloomy vector]

platinum aged better

[rustic wolf]

oh yeah platinum best boy

[gloomy vector]

I think the original DP look kinda bad

and then theres Platinum which is just wow

still looks good

[rustic wolf]

but their like the same?

[gloomy vector]

yes but one is cooler

[rustic wolf]

cuz the coats?

[gloomy vector]

na

[sonic ginkgo]

snow 👀

[tawny iron]

🤨

They look exactly the same

[sonic ginkgo]

nah the snow

[gloomy vector]

no they don't give me a sec

[tawny iron]

The battle UI is a bit different, but thats it

[gloomy vector]

look at eterna forest

in DP not lighting

in PL it has lighting

[tawny iron]

Okay fair, they did change that

Forgot about that

But thats not a huge thing. Tho it is better in Platinum for sure

[gloomy vector]

theres also the Jupiter room

and the entirety of the island with the battle frontier

[sonic ginkgo]

the overall graphics are the same but they hugely improved some locations

[gloomy vector]

yes

which made it age 100 times better then DP

[tawny iron]

idk about 100 times. They are still mostly the same game

[gloomy vector]

also the remakes look shit compared to the chad that is Platinum

[tawny iron]

I'm really looking forward to the music tho

[gloomy vector]

nothing can beat Platinum graphics wise maybe BW2 but I don't know

[tawny iron]

Luckily I don't need to buy the remakes to get that xD

[gloomy vector]

that's a fact

they never miss with that most of the time

wait

I think I just thought of something that might be useful but probably isn't

what if the remakes are more of a remaster then a remake

[rustic wolf]

then they would be a bad looking remaster instead of a bad looking remake

[gloomy vector]

to me they aren't that bad looking

but they do need a lot of touche ups

especially Barrys hair

one thing is they seem like a small step up from SWSH

cause it at least looks better then that

[rustic wolf]

imo, nah, like maybe the in battle stuff is somewhat more stylized, but it just looks like its a knock off

[gloomy vector]

also one thing I can say for sure is that they would look good in hand held mode just like swsh did

[tawny iron]

I actually agree with considering it a remaster

Still dissapointing tho

[sonic ginkgo]

Just discovered that ILCA never made anything alone before except the hatsune miku domino's Pizza app and pokemon Home.

[gloomy vector]

actually I feel like the remakesters would look better in handheld mode

[tawny iron]

That is always a rule with low detail and chibi stuff: The smaller the screen the less obvious the flaws

[sonic ginkgo]

It's just not worth $60

[gloomy vector]

cause that's the feel there going for (cause DS game feel)

[sonic ginkgo]

i would probably pay 20 max

[gloomy vector]

why not 30 like the other handhelds

[tawny iron]

But they didnt go with a GBA feel for Oras

[rustic wolf]

please stop with the feel thing, thats not an excuse, they are porting a double screen game to a one screen game, they wouldve need to change stuff anyway, they are going for the style, yes, but they dont care about the feel

[gloomy vector]

ok sir

also my dense ass forgot this

[sonic ginkgo]

Again my theory is they never intended to make the remakes and started developement this year to have something for the holiday market.

[gloomy vector]

that art is Subjective

[rustic wolf]

yeah but quality is objective

[gloomy vector]

I don't care about the quality right now

[rustic wolf]

lol alright

[gloomy vector]

also how is quality objective when people see other things wrong with the quality then other people do

cause someone might think one thing looks bad but that same thing to another person might seem fine

[sonic ginkgo]

Honestly i think anyone who has no problem with the quality of the remakes is in denial.

[tawny iron]

Even to make it look as meh at it does now it would still need quite a bit more time than 2 months

[gloomy vector]

explain your reasoning

[sonic ginkgo]

it's objectively worse than any 3D mainline game before when it comes to quality.

[gloomy vector]

cause I don't feel like I'm in denial

[sonic ginkgo]

Just look at it

[rustic wolf]

cuz there are problems

[gloomy vector]

but there small (except shading)

[tawny iron]

I think this remake looks better than SwSh

[rustic wolf]

in which ways

[lament cradle]

You say "objectively worse" as if that means anything.

[tawny iron]

Not if you consider the entire chibi art style the problem

[sonic ginkgo]

This is a free mobile game compared to a $60 switch game

[lament cradle]

An opinion can't be objective, full stop.

[sonic ginkgo]

Quality is objective

i dont care about the Style

[tawny iron]

These remakes might have a bad art style, but they at least look clean and finished. I dislike both a lot tho, so me prefering one doesnt mean a lot

[sonic ginkgo]

i care about the Quality

[gloomy vector]

sorry it's not loading for me so I can't tell

[rustic wolf]

yo whats better , bird poop or gold, there are cases where stuff like that can be objective, if i think gold is better tahn poop, thats not subjective

[lament cradle]

And calling Masters "free" is laughable.

Like half of the features are behind paywalls.

[gloomy vector]

curse you shitty wifi

[rustic wolf]

ah, yeah thats fair

[tawny iron]

bird poop can be better than gold in some cases. And opinions are never objective

[lament cradle]

If you really think the games look like poop… I guess you can think that if you want.

[rustic wolf]

oh no it was just an metaphore

[lament cradle]

Okay, what's the "gold" in this metaphor?

[rustic wolf]

for the whole objective thing, i think the games just look like they havent used the full potential

[lament cradle]

I can agree on that.

[gloomy vector]

well guess I just like mediocre over good

[lament cradle]

Though appearance is all we have to go off of at the moment and there are far more important aspects of a game to worry about.

[rustic wolf]

nothing really, maybe im using metaphor wrong, not native english speaker.
I just grabbed poop and gold cuz if you ask people whats better, its very clear what the answer would be

[lament cradle]

Better in what way?

[rustic wolf]

sure, graphics aint anything, but they are important when you have to look at it for mutliple hours of gameplay

[sonic ginkgo]

It looks better :)

[lament cradle]

If you're asking which is better to fertilize the ground with, the answer isn't gold.

[molten tangle]

by a style is also quality and always subjectiv

but also stay polite ya all

[rustic wolf]

fine, i see what you getting at, fine maybe it aint 100% objective, but lest say 80% says -thing- is wrong about the remakes, then there might be some truth to it

[lament cradle]

80% of what?

[rustic wolf]

players of the games/pokemon community/ the target audience etc

more than the people in this server of course

[lament cradle]

Where did you get that from?

The people hating on these games is definitely way less than 80%

[gloomy vector]

me out here. I just like the mediocre why does it have to look like BTOW when it's fine after the fixes

[gloomy vector]

cause not every game has to look nice

[tawny iron]

Because it looking like BOTW would actually be cool and promising. I'm tired of the same game over and over gain

[lament cradle]

How did you reply to yourself?

[gloomy vector]

the ...

[lament cradle]

Out of curiosity, what's your opinion on Legends Arceus?

[gloomy vector]

but haven't they been doing that for the past 25years

[lament cradle]

Oh, I see.

[gloomy vector]

when you really think about it what is actually different about every PKMN game

other then graphics and minor features

[open stirrup]

Colosseum let you catch trainer pokemon

[gloomy vector]

mainline games

not side

[rustic wolf]

oh yeah no i didnt mean it like taht sorry, i meant more general like
''if 80%/majority says -this- is wrong about -that-''
then there may be some truth to the thought

[lament cradle]

Yeah, but the majority isn't saying that.

The majority loves it.

[tawny iron]

Looks promising, but there is still a lot of work to do. Framerate and player animations are very bad rn

[open stirrup]

It looked really empty in the trailer

[rustic wolf]

alright, just out of curiousity no longer in debate mode, if you got like the numbers or a poll related to that, id be curious to see it

[lament cradle]

I mean, there was that one chingling, and I didn't see any other problems with the framerate.

[tawny iron]

Chimchar was laggy as hell too

And Shinx when the pokeball hit it

[sonic ginkgo]

what? the framerate was a complete disaster

[gloomy vector]

XYs double battles frames > then Arveuss frames

[lament cradle]

Uh, yeah, I suppose poll would be helpful, though it'd be tough finding a sample size that isn't skewed af.

[sonic ginkgo]

it was 30 at best an in a lot of scenes it just lagged

[rustic wolf]

yeah that why its hard for both of the groups, group for, group againts to truly call themselves the majority i guess

[gloomy vector]

guess it's a 50/50 split

[lament cradle]

Yeah, all I can do is look at Twitter arguments and seeing who ratios who at least gives me a good idea.

[open stirrup]

The majority are people that'll buy whatever because it has pokemon on it, quality is irrelevant unless it like killed their grandma.

[gloomy vector]

also is it me or are the ones against more of the older fans

then the newer

[lament cradle]

The ratios definitely favor the positive crowd by a longshot.

[open stirrup]

Newer fans put up with swsh

Why wouldn't they put up with this

[lament cradle]

I've been a fan since gen II and I love Swsh.

[tawny iron]

I think so too actually

[gloomy vector]

(me who has played PKMN sense gen4 and put up with swsh)

fuck

think I might found my problem

NOSTALGIA

[rustic wolf]

it may be a factor but like its probs a mix of, faults of the games and faults of the people viewing the games

there is never really 1 true problem/answer

[gloomy vector]

that is a fact

but it feels like they might have tried fixing some of the big ones with the remakester

[rustic wolf]

and it can also just be, the people who have experienced more games have seen what has worked in the past and what not (possibility not 100% fact) so when seeing something they might just know, this aint good to me

[gloomy vector]

like graphics but failed

also the park in Hearthrome city

imagine Chibi Torterra following you

[rustic wolf]

if they bring that back, but sure

[gloomy vector]

I mean it's a whole part of the city

and you get useful items and tms there

[sonic ginkgo]

Honestly i may sound elitist but i just think that the majority of pokemon fans would buy anything that is published as long as the name pokemon is on the box cover. Cut the national dex and sell some of those cut pokemon as a Dlc? no problem fans will buy it. Produce a game that looks like its worth $20 and sell it for $60? No problem majority will still buy it. Pokemon fans are just too easy to please. If we had a collectively higher standard they wouldn't be able to do that.

[open stirrup]

Kindred fates looks like what legends arceus should have been

[rustic wolf]

yeah thats sadly true, i know i aint gonna buy it though, like unless it gets cheaper a few year later ya know, but yeah sadly true

[gloomy vector]

what if we stop comparing the games to others

[open stirrup]

Why wouldn't you compare it to similar games in the genre or even the previous ones in the series?

[rustic wolf]

why? their from the same serie

[gloomy vector]

what

[rustic wolf]

like im a guy on deviantart, if i would make less effort stuff, the people watching me would also compare it ''hey we know you can do better, why you aint putting your soul back into it '

[gloomy vector]

I've never heard of it

[open stirrup]

Deviantart or kindred fates?

[gloomy vector]

fates

[rustic wolf]

like comparing it to other franchises, fine thats not totally fair, comapring it to its previous games should be fine

[open stirrup]

It's a monster collection action rpg were you take direct control of your pokemon to fight.

[gloomy vector]

?

is it that weird medieval game

[open stirrup]

Idk

[gloomy vector]

the one with the Zeckrom on it's box (that isn't white)

[open stirrup]

https://youtu.be/demskANy46w

[gloomy vector]

oh

it's not a pkmn game

also that's for pc

so of course it's going to look better

[open stirrup]

Coming to switch i think, when it officially launches

[lament cradle]

Looks weird.

[gloomy vector]

^

[tawny iron]

Doesn't have to be a pokemon game

The world of Xenoblade 2 looks much better and has like 10 times as many creatures on screen as legends in the Trailer

[gloomy vector]

also another thing I see people saying is that the proportions are wak for the overworld characters

in the remakesters

[tawny iron]

they are

[lament cradle]

The cartoonish look of the creatures clashes with the botw-looking environment. I wouldn't say it looks better than Pokémon.

[gloomy vector]

but I think that's just a stylistic choice

cause they look like toys

[lament cradle]

I mean you can sure see a lot more individual blades of grass in that game, but that doesn't mean it looks better.

[open stirrup]

I was referring to gameplay, it's an actual action rpg, not just pokemon but maybe you can climb a wall.

[tawny iron]

Yeah it is a stylistic choicr

they could have made them look good

decided against it tho 👀

[lament cradle]

Thank you! That's what I was thinking too! Especially when put next to the realistic water, the game looks like a backdrop for a toy set.

[gloomy vector]

if it's a stylistic choice then it's art which means it's subjective

[lament cradle]

^

[tawny iron]

I know, I'm just joking

[gloomy vector]

but yes the models do need some cleaning

[tawny iron]

that style selection frustrates me a lot tho

i hate it

[gloomy vector]

and a bit better animations

[gloomy vector]

also why

is it cause it's to childish

[tawny iron]

Because they look stupid imo

[gloomy vector]

how come

eh

I guess that's just your opinion on em

[tawny iron]

Chibi is a style that looks bad to me 99% of the time

they are rarely well done in my eyes

[lament cradle]

The character models are definitely the weakest point, not gonna lie.

[gloomy vector]

I mean I like them cause I think there cute

[open stirrup]

The acorn thing looks pretty bad, they could use an extra couple of design layers

[lament cradle]

They look alright to me, but I get why some people don't like them.

[sacred rampart]

because they're of lower quality than the rest of the game

[lament cradle]

But the backgrounds? The environment? The textures? It all looks so beautiful!

[gloomy vector]

na the textures are wak

[lament cradle]

What?

[tawny iron]

I hate all the character models in general
Especially in that first big town shot with the clown

[lament cradle]

How does the ground here not look amazing?

[gloomy vector]

oh ya the clown looks freaky

[sacred rampart]

Yeah texture resolution should really be improved, but it's not as big of a deal as the character overworlds.

[gloomy vector]

ok it's nice it's just the battle stuff that's jank

[dense juniper]

I guess it's gonna be ok for people experiencing gen4 for the first time

[gloomy vector]

whats wrong with them they fit with the style

[lament cradle]

Oh for the battles we've only seen like 0.2 seconds of that at a time, so I wouldn't know.

[sonic ginkgo]

Fixed

[gloomy vector]

oh

holy shit

ya they needed that

[dense juniper]

that improves it so much lmao

[sacred rampart]

About Legends: Arceus, I would think that textures would be at least 2k but there are some 512x512 I think?

[gloomy vector]

but you did not fix Barrys hair

[sonic ginkgo]

thats exactly what XY and the other 3D games had.

[tawny iron]

The textures look good, but I hate that it is a 1 to 1 recreation. Was hoping for DP in a 3D world

[gloomy vector]

actually they might add the black lines in

[sacred rampart]

Yeah but it's on the switch now and standards are higher.

[gloomy vector]

cause again it's not final

[lament cradle]

Oh huh, the outline does a lot.

[tawny iron]

yea

[sonic ginkgo]

Without the outlines it just looks like a blob to me :S

[open stirrup]

It is a blob

[lament cradle]

It's less than a year away, I don't they make that big of a change in this stage of development.

[sacred rampart]

outlines are necessary for things liek mudkipz hair

[tawny iron]

Yeah, at this point the game should be pretty final

[gloomy vector]

I mean that's not that big

[open stirrup]

And the last couple months are just production and shipping

[lament cradle]

Maybe they could add an extra shader or something so the edges are more clearly defined, but I'm not holding my breath.

[open stirrup]

Meanwhile I've been waiting 3 years for digimon survive

[gloomy vector]

tell that to Metroid fans

[sonic ginkgo]

Someone also changed the proportions and changed those giant hands

[noble sphinx]

Ill wait before i buy any of those games. If the outlines are still missing and the battle frontier and difficulty isnt there, i aint buy it

[open stirrup]

Metroid fans got federation force

[lament cradle]

I don't particularly like the ball hands.

[sacred rampart]

Yeah if the game's very easy there better be a challenge mode at least.

[gloomy vector]

but the hands were a stylistic choice

[sacred rampart]

But there's basically zero chance of a challenge mode

[gloomy vector]

which means it's subjective

[noble sphinx]

The hands put it in the uncanny valley

[lament cradle]

Also did they make the head bigger?

[gloomy vector]

the head is bigger cause chibi

[lament cradle]

She looks like a bobblehead now.

[tawny iron]

Still don't like the big head at all, but this is definetly better

[lament cradle]

It was already chibi.

[sacred rampart]

the whole body should be wider cause that's how it is in the original

[gloomy vector]

ya without the hands looks weird

cause the hands make it fit in more with the style

which is like a toy theme/ cartoonish theme

[noble sphinx]

It just lacks the "drawn" look. It looks raw

[open stirrup]

It doesn't look like a toy to me, just bad

[gloomy vector]

also am I like the only who thinks there fine but just need a black outline

like I feel like they look fine

[lament cradle]

I like the toy theme, but the ball hands make it look like a wooden mannequin, which is weird to me.

[open stirrup]

If they wanted the toy look they should have gone with toy pokemon like pokemon rumble

[noble sphinx]

The hand looks like its groping shiver

[lament cradle]

Yeah, it seems an outline would help, but otherwise it looks fine to me too.

Either an outline or a shader.

[gloomy vector]

both

both are good

[sacred rampart]

Yeah like maybe a wooden gradient on the skin?

[lament cradle]

I just said I don't want it to look like wood.

[sacred rampart]

but that's how toys are

[gloomy vector]

also I feel like the people who like it are the vocal minority

or it's just that the dislike feels louder

[lament cradle]

I was thinking more like plastic toys.

That's how it looks right now.

[sacred rampart]

plastic toys are ugly irl

[gloomy vector]

also I agree with you on that one

[open stirrup]

Toys aren't made of wood

[sacred rampart]

you must be young, then

[gloomy vector]

something like a vynel type thing

[lament cradle]

All of them?

[sacred rampart]

I had a lot of hand-me-down wooden figurines.

[gloomy vector]

like that's the vibe I get when I see the overworld character model is Vynel figure

[sacred rampart]

Plastic ones get destroyed easily.

[lament cradle]

That is the broadest statement I've ever heard.

[sacred rampart]

I mean like, of people.

plastic figurines

[lament cradle]

I meant the part about them being ugly.

[gloomy vector]

Dawn is cute but Lucas I don't know man

he's kinda sus

[sacred rampart]

They both sus in the overworld to me.

[gloomy vector]

ok

and you can keep that opinion

[open stirrup]

I still feel like they should have gone with the same style as links awakening if they wanted to be the cute chibi plastic look

[gloomy vector]

maybe they were inspired by it

[sacred rampart]

That would be better-looking, but it doesn't really suit pokemon.

[lament cradle]

Yeah, it looks like they were.

[gloomy vector]

also stop comparing them to other games

[open stirrup]

Then they did it wrong

[gloomy vector]

look at them on there own

[open stirrup]

On its own it looks bad

[gloomy vector]

ok

and you can keep that

[rustic estuary]

These hands look better

[noble sphinx]

Hey, can we agree, not to agree in our opinions on the artstyle?

[gloomy vector]

^

[sacred rampart]

The character overworlds are bad when compared to the rest of the game's graphics.

[gloomy vector]

art is subjective

[sacred rampart]

No need to look at other games.

[gloomy vector]

which means everyone has there own opinion on the art style

to me I think it's fine

well to someone else they think it's bad

[sonic ginkgo]

The hands are just weird

[gloomy vector]

not to me

[sacred rampart]

The hands are kind of cool, actually.

[sonic ginkgo]

even if you dont change them to those ball hands they should be smaller

[sacred rampart]

But also kind of creepy.

[gloomy vector]

although they are a little off putting now that I got a better look at them

[open stirrup]

Videogames are a visual medium, if a large amount of people don't like how it looks, you've got a problem.

[gloomy vector]

I think the size works cause style but the full out na

make it fist and it should be fine

[noble sphinx]

You know whats funny? Since we almost never see her from that perspective, i think we wouldnt even notice most of the time

[sonic ginkgo]

Just imagine that little girl following you at night 👀

[gloomy vector]

bruh

[sacred rampart]

There are some games that are all about the controller inputs. Graphics take a backseat in that case.

[open stirrup]

"Catch these hands"

Pokemon doesn't have that tho

[gloomy vector]

I mean those are like the size of my hands to my arms

[noble sphinx]

I think black gloves would help xP

[open stirrup]

Looking at it is basically all you got

[gloomy vector]

yes I have large hands

[lament cradle]

"A large amount" is debatable.

[noble sphinx]

Wanna make a poll?

[gloomy vector]

na

[lament cradle]

We already went over that.

[sacred rampart]

Polls are fun, though. I want to know that other people share the exact same opinion as I do.

The end result doesn't really matter to me.

[tawny iron]

You'd need a poll like that to be unbiased tho, which is not something anyone of us or on youtube can assure

[lament cradle]

Where would we get a large enough sample size for the poll to avoid bias?

[sacred rampart]

Yeah you go onto a YT video and the comments are either 90% against or 90% for.

[noble sphinx]

Whats bias?

[tawny iron]

this is bias

[lament cradle]

It's when the results are skewed or manipulated in some way to favor one answer over the others.

[noble sphinx]

Ah thanks

Well, I learned that an example of 100 people will be seen sufficient in most cases

[lament cradle]

Like, if you're on a jury, and you decide the dude is guilty not because of the facts of the case, but because you personally don't like them, that's bias.

[sacred rampart]

Basically the algorithm. You click on a video that you know shares your opinion to validate yourself first, then you get recommended other videos with the same opinion regardless of whether or not you want to continue validating yourself.

[tawny iron]

For political surveys you usually have at least 1000 people and it is assured that all ages and social statuses are represented. 100 people is usually not enough and you cant just ask 100 random people

[open stirrup]

There's bias in selecting participants in the first place.

[noble sphinx]

Well its what the teachers in business school told me. Im not saying theyre right

[sacred rampart]

Yeah for lots of surveys 2000 is the minimum.

[lament cradle]

Same with Twitter, whoever hosts the poll is likely to get mostly people in their immediate circle who already agree with them.

[noble sphinx]

Think the right people would find it if youd put it in the comments of official pokemon channel?

Cause i think it will likely be deleted

[open stirrup]

Who follows links in random comments?

[sacred rampart]

Usually comments are disabled.

[noble sphinx]

They arent on the trailer

[sacred rampart]

Oh, wow.

[noble sphinx]

But i dont think we could actually get a good statistics there

[tawny iron]

Don't think so

[noble sphinx]

Even if a big poketuber put it up... they might have the range, but followers tend to adapt their idols mindset

[sacred rampart]

Even though I think the games need work, in my news feed all of it was purely positive for some reason.

[tawny iron]

You cannot assure who votes there at all

[noble sphinx]

Well, never trust a poll you haven't faked yourself

[open stirrup]

99% of statistics are made up

[noble sphinx]

Including that one

Huh. Wonder what that hand is supposed to say

[sacred rampart]

It's like ^ but an emote

[noble sphinx]

Ah thx. Sorry for my noobiness

Well, to get back to topic: I think we can agree that we can never truly get a good statistic about the opinions on the art style of the remake.

To give my personal opinion: I do think the hands should be smaller. For me, the sprite goes into the uncanny valley. When a human-like thing gets something thats nearly human but not fully, people may feel uncomfortable about it. Thats the case with me.

[sonic ginkgo]

Better colour palette :3

[lament cradle]

Looks more muddy and less vibrant.

I prefer the amount of contrast on the left.

[rustic wolf]

i feel like the left one is the one looking muddy

like the saturation is too high

[sonic ginkgo]

I mean yeah that subjective. I personally think the left one is to dark and the right one is closer to the original.

But i can understand if someone thinks the left one is better

[rustic wolf]

it feels swampy to me, if its a swamp since gen 4 does have those, fine, but idk it doesnt feel like how real grass looks and stuff

[lament cradle]

What do you mean? "Muddy" means "low saturation/contrast".

[rustic wolf]

i mean muddy as just its darker drab, like its a swamp, there is some dark layer on it

but whatever, if i used the word wrong, guess ill rephrase,l i just think the colors are too bright, its like ugly bright green, thats not how plants are supposed to look, if their trying to have it be close to irl

[lament cradle]

The right looks more swamp-like to me.

The right does look closer to the original, which makes it look more generic. The left pops out more and plays into the toy-like theme.

[rustic wolf]

those are some ugly colored toy trees then, but oh well guess weve seen different swamps then

[analog thunder]

hmm (most) real grass doesn't have that bluish hue though (also sticks out in the pt screenshot), the left one seems more like grass looks like irl (if a bit too saturated for that)

maybe a case of 'reality is unrealistic'

[lament cradle]

Yeah, that bluish hue is what makes it look swamp-like to me. Like, the colors are too muted.

[tawny iron]

They do look less realistic, but I think they capture the gen 4 color pallete more

[lament cradle]

Yeah they do, that's why they look worse.

[thin pasture]

[brazen pier]

Finally watched the nintendo direct about the new games. It scratched a really specific itch I've been having

specifically, it validated my pronunciation of the word Arceus

[civic bough]

"Ar-Key-Us"?

Yeah I was never sure about the pronounciation of Arceus's name either.

[brazen pier]

The only time I recall hearing it spoken in any official pokémon media was in Detective Pikachu, where it was pronounced "R-C-Us"

[civic bough]

Ugh, I don't like when the ar**"ce"**us part is pronounced "see"

[open stirrup]

What about argh-chee-us

[brazen pier]

what about Archie's

[long narwhal]

Our-cheese-us

[steady reef]

ar-koos

[noble sphinx]

Ar-zeus

Pronunced like the god Zeus in greek

[versed light]

Ark-è-oos

[strange zenith]

So hm given the screenshot leaks from before the direct, i was just thinking about like ||it seems like legends arceus will be able to connect with pokemon home, however i do not believe pokemon from home will be able to be transferred into legends arceus due to the whole like.. time travel thing, if that makes sense? But that also leads me into the fact that ancient sinnohian forms/evolutions are probably going to be a thing because TCPI loves money and theyd want people to trade version exclusives into the dp remakes||

||i do wonder if the starters will get ancient sinnohian forms 🤔, like either the ones you pick from for legends or even just the gen 4 starters since theyre out in the wild||

[tawny iron]

||Considering the weird deer mon in one of the leaked screenshots that sounds very possible||

[strange zenith]

I feel like this rn even coming up with the idea though

But hmm i guess we'll have to wait and see what they decide to reveal

[dull crow]

https://www.reddit.com/r/pokemon/comments/lu2rbb/pokemon_legends_arceus_is_the_first_game_in_15/

[sonic ginkgo]

https://twitter.com/rno71/status/1366138676670050310?s=21

Nono! (@Rno71)

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[thin pasture]

That actually looks good wtf

[rustic wolf]

yeah the 4 fingers definitly helps and it holding something also helps justify the hands being a bit big

[tender nacelle]

I have many theories about legends and I'm scared because every theory I've ever come up with has been correct

[rustic wolf]

weird flex but okay (just joking)

[tender nacelle]

Dr tho

Fr*

Stranger things 3 was my biggest flex

My theory is that the new pokemon is a new mythical mon and not only that but it's a new roamer mon

It could also be a new form of sawsbuck or something. But I really like the roamer idea

Watch me be right about the roamer thing

[thin pasture]

I mean this is quite a logical thing to think😂 🤨

Not really something that'd make all your theories right lol

[tender nacelle]

Ik but like

I guessed all the events in stranger things 3 by one trailer

[potent valley]

just beat an emerald randomize nuzlocke

[tawny iron]

damn, those models look a billion times better than the actual ones

[potent valley]

Heh true

[tawny iron]

I watched a video about the sinnoh remakes today and the person in it said: "The graphics don't look amazing, but if they add Mega Evolutions to the game they (still talking about the graphics) will be perfect"

[finite prism]

and i've seen a video about rumors that confirm the return of megas

[tawny iron]

I honestly don't get how so many people say that megas being in makes such a big difference

[open stirrup]

People like going plus ultra

[sonic ginkgo]

Game be looking like that and people still get hyped because of megas 😤

[rough nymph]

Wtf is this

[lament cradle]

They didn't say anything about there being megas, people are just hyped because it looks good.

[sonic ginkgo]

"Faithful recreation" of that scene. Might aswell look like that compared to previous games.

[rough nymph]

Good is maybe a little much tho

[sonic ginkgo]

it really doesn't

and 6 months are not enough to fix it

[lament cradle]

Literally just an outline would make a huge difference.

The textures are easily the best part.

[sonic ginkgo]

Why would you buy it though if its a 1:1 copy of DP that looks worse than the originals and will 100% have less content than Platinum

so playing platinum would be the better option and most likely cheaper :S

[long narwhal]

yeah the game is pretty pretty

the lighting is good

[finite prism]

And the models are cute looking

[lament cradle]

Okay, seriously, where does everyone keep getting 1:1 from, besides out of their asses?

[long narwhal]

i still probably wont get it

but it looks nice

[lament cradle]

I only probably won't get it because it's a Sinnoh remake and I didn't like the originals. Other than that, it looks good.

[long narwhal]

BUT ARCEUS LEGENDS HELL YEAH I AM

[lament cradle]

All that's been officially said is that it'll be "faithful", which could mean a lot of things.

I doubt it'll be any more "1:1" to dp than oras was to rs.

In fact, it'll be less so because there are hints of Platinum elements in this one.

[sonic ginkgo]

Obviously that can mean a lot of things. Knowing past remakes though we will get less content with every game that follows. They also highlighted that "faithful" thing by explicitly saying that in the teaser and on their website.

They never did that before. Almost like them saying we shouldn't expect anything new.

And if i had to take a guess i predict that only Gen 1-4 Pokemon will be available and they obviously wont add platinum content like with ORAS and Emerald.

[lament cradle]

Or they're saying that because they know how anal Sinnoh stans are about their precious games and are assuring that they're not gonna "ruin" them.

[lament cradle]

Bruh there is Platinum content in the trailer.

[sonic ginkgo]

Nope

[lament cradle]

The statue, and an npc in Floaroma Town.

[sonic ginkgo]

That one npc that gives Shaymin it's item will obviously be there because Shaymins form didn't exist until platinum so they added that in.

Also i would hardly call that content...

[lament cradle]

The statue is at least a hint that Platinum will be acknowledged. It's not exactly proof, but there's much less reason to assume the opposite.

No need to be all doom and gloom about it.

[sonic ginkgo]

I mean the battle frontier won't be in there. That already is less content. Oras was the same but made up for it with more story and a real recreation of the region and new megas and so on.

I don't see that happening in a "faithful" remake

Especially when the DP remakes already look worse than Oras

[lament cradle]

Where did you get your advanced copy of the full game?

[sonic ginkgo]

I don't need a copy to know that the bf won't be in the game lol

i would bet everything i own on that

[tawny iron]

I don't think it will be added, but I do think it is possible this time

[sonic ginkgo]

And yeah i would love to be wrong so bad. But to me its pretty obvious why they highlighted that "faithful" thing so much.

[lament cradle]

Okay, if this is the hill you want to die. We'll see when the games come out.

I'm not particularly betting on the battle frontier either, but I'm sure there'll be the distortion world at the very least.

[long narwhal]

there will most likely be the distortion world

right gamefreak

[rustic wolf]

if they let us catch giratina, id hope they add that, but yeah depends on how ''faithful'' they'll follow the diamond and pearl, since it wasnt in those, only platinum (if i remember correctly

[lament cradle]

Again, "faithful" is a very vague word. I don't get why people are putting so much stock into it.

That's like if I said I did "good" on a test and someone takes that to mean I could only have gotten 100/100 on it.

[rustic wolf]

well like creedos said, they did mention it more this time than previous remakes and also on the website and stuff, so its not that weird to think

plus i also think it wouldnt be so crazy since they outsourced it to another company, they wont let that company do too many weird new things i'd imagine

[sonic ginkgo]

Because you aren't a marketing team trying to explain what your product is.

Normally when companies introduce a new product to consumers they very carefully think about which words they use and nothing the say is just because.

[lament cradle]

In that case why did they use such a vague term that could be interpreted so many ways?

If they wanted to get the idea across that it's a 1:1 adaption, why didn't they just say it's a 1:1 adaption?

[sonic ginkgo]

Why did they highlight that faithful so much in the teaser and on their website? because in hindsight customers can't complain about no new additions to the game.

[lament cradle]

Maybe the reason they chose those specific words is because they don't want to reveal too much about it yet.

Maybe they wanted to assure people that just because it's made by a different company doesn't mean it's going to be crazy different.

[sonic ginkgo]

Could be the case but in my eyes the former makes more sense from a company's perspective. Also i just looked at the wording on their website again and can now also say with 100% certainty that they wont add anything to the story.

They say "The original story has been faithfully reproduced" that faithful here again means no change.

"These remakes include easy-to-understand, player-friendly conveniences of the modern Pokémon series" That's the only thing they say about changes. So most likely the only changes will be small convenience additions from platinum and no Hm's or something like that.

[lament cradle]

Like I said, you can die on that hill if you really want to, I'm gonna stick with a "wait and see" attitude.

[long narwhal]

i actually agree with veegee here, i dont have super high hopes but theres no point in making assumptions that werent shown in the trailer i guess

[civic bough]

What game should I play on emulator?

I heard some were better than others

I'm thinking HGSS or DP but I'm not sure which is better and/or easier

[thin pasture]

You haven't played those?

[civic bough]

OF COURSE NOT

I'M LIKE 13

COULDN'T YOU TELL

[thin pasture]

Fake fan🔫

[civic bough]

EVERYONE KEEPS TELLING ME TO PLAY THE OLDER GAMES ON AN EMULATOR

[thin pasture]

Why are you typing in caps?

Calm down damn

[civic bough]

To add more fury 😤

Everyone keeps telling me to play them on an emulator. They never tell me which ones, though, so I have to resort to asking you guys.

[strange zenith]

Hgss is a pain with leveling, but overall its a fun remake despite that

[thin pasture]

If you get some cheats to boost exp every once in a while to make grinding less tedious, hgss is an amazing game

[civic bough]

I'll need to know cheats though

And I don't really know any

[strange zenith]

Usually searching "pokemon __ action replay codes" will get you whatever sites available for cheat codes

Some codes sometimes dont work, plus id say save or backup the save before doing any major game altering ones

[civic bough]

Yeah thanks for the advice but i think i'm gonna go for DP

[strange zenith]

👍

[civic bough]

Problem, I don't know what emulator to use... I was thinking VBA but DP was not released for the GBA iirc

[strange zenith]

Desmume is typically whats recommended

[thin pasture]

Yeh desmume is the go to one

[strange zenith]

And platinum is the definitive/improved version of DP if you wanna have the full experience with the games :0

[civic bough]

The download site looks a bit complicated... :/ plus when I tried to download it it just downloaded a .txt file named "log"

[strange zenith]

Hmm i havent downloaded the emulator in ages, so it might be good seeing if theres any videos about how to install it

[civic bough]

Oh, nvm, we're all good, just downloaded the wrong thing

[strange zenith]

Oo okay

[civic bough]

aaand we're in business baby!

[gloomy vector]

nice

[civic bough]

Does this do what I think it does?

[dense juniper]

It removes all sound

[civic bough]

Hell yeah

Can't believe the option actually says, "Shut Up", as if it's saying it to the emulator

Nope

[thin pasture]

We need this option for members in the servers

[civic bough]

It doesn't shut anything up

There's still sound

Does anyone know why this is?

[gloomy vector]

soon in a Platinum run I'll have to fight Cynthia for the first time in not a rom of gen4 (and or BW and BW2)

this is going to be fun

[pine ingot]

And we need chibi ball hands

[rustic wolf]

not per se ball hands, maybe like the type of hands they had in oras and xy, fused, than its still detailed but not as off as the current hands

[civic bough]

BDSP? More like ||BDSM||

[rustic wolf]

i wish

[civic bough]

[gloomy vector]

I feel like there's a reason for not using the ball hands

cause I think XY and ORAS did not also have ball hands for their Chibi look

[noble sphinx]

[rustic wolf]

im gonna guess those eye emojies are cuz of me aint they ;p
well i stand by my words! ;p

[rustic wolf]

Yo i just realized, looker never was in pokemon shield/sword, he was like in every game since his introduction, they couldve done some sherlock holmes stuff with him! he was even based on docter who (from what ive heard) galar wouldve been great with looker! he totally could vibe with inteleon as their bith like secret agents

[tawny iron]

True. At least one thing SwSh did right

[thin pasture]

Looker hater

[lament cradle]

You got it backwards, excluding Looker was the one thing Swsh did wrong.

[thin pasture]

I mean they did more wrong

Besides no looker

[tawny iron]

Looker sucks, he never does anything aside from talking for 20 minutes

Why do people like him?

[finite prism]

cause he's dumb

people with a iq lower than 70 are more loveable

[thin pasture]

So thats why you love all the 13 year old cringelords in here aye

[finite prism]

imagine loving people

i like cringelords tho

cause they're easy to make fun of

[thin pasture]

That's a solid point

[rustic wolf]

I mostly think its neat to have a reuccuroing charatcer, and idk to see another type of police from some officer claqss trainer or officer jenny is cool and yeah he is silly and fun imo, that story in the xy post game was kinda neat imo

[tawny iron]

I think he makes platinum worse because he always talks to you for an hour without affecting the story at all

[rustic wolf]

in platinum , yeah i gotta agree, his little spin off stories in the other games were pretty fun tho, but yeah how he is in platinum is just like not how he was later on, so yeah that version was less fun

[civic bough]

Does anyone know where to get a good Platinum .gba file?

[tawny iron]

I don't think those exist

🔫 👀

[civic bough]

I wonder why

I just realized...

Why am I so stupid sometimes

[long narwhal]

my gible randomized into a Ground type

[long narwhal]

i just got my ass kicked by a bidoof with dracometeor

[patent iron]

Looker is lost in alola with amnesia after falling through an ultra worm hole (actual ingame lore)

[open stirrup]

Make a looker isekai adaptation

[long narwhal]

Draden is ancient apparently

[tawny iron]

Gotta mess up the lore here and there if you have a non-linear franchise with thousands of quotes

[brazen pier]

probably referring to the modern Poké Ball™️

Balls What Capture The Pokémon have been around for a long time

Only in the last century has a standardized poké ball been mass produced, is my interpretation

[tawny iron]

Maybe there also just weren't pokeballs in unova when he was little

Gonna find out in Pokemon Legends Grey-Dragon I guess

[brazen pier]

or he's just screwing with the player

when I was your age, we didn't have poké balls, and karate chop was a normal attack, and we rode aerodactyls to school

[strange zenith]

Young professor oak in the 4th movie had an alternate pokeball, which may be what they looked like before silph co or whoever started producing the modern design

[dull crow]

ntm again different region

also animewise we've even seen giant ancient pokeblals carved of stone

[open stirrup]

Like the ones with gengar and alakazam?

[glass goblet]

Maybe the alternative Pokeball are the middle point between apricot and actual balls

[cold tendon]

Remind me, do pokeball use any type of a crystal in construction? I remember there being an episode where Lucario was in crystal of a staff.

[open stirrup]

I think they had mirrors or something

[cold tendon]

Found a poor quality clip.
https://youtu.be/mbg3X8OBQDc?t=367

Looks like a crystal, not a mirror.

[dusk gyro]

You should specify with game too

[late kelp]

Leaf Green

[edgy bane]

Something doesnt add up here 🤨

[civic bough]

YOOO PEFEC IS EVOLVING

[cunning parrot]

What evolved?

[finite prism]

Sealeo into walrein

[cunning parrot]

But he’s doing a randomizer, so I thought evolutions were random

[finite prism]

I think only types, encounters and moves are random

[civic bough]

Tentacruel, Feebas, or Muk?

[potent valley]

Hmmm
I would say muk

[bright cloak]

I need a water type on my team what should I use (I’m on black 2 4th gym)

[dull crow]

palkia

[finite prism]

my emerald randomizer nuzlocke (4th try) starter

[civic bough]

nice

[cunning parrot]

Similar to shiny colors

[civic bough]

I just did an emerald randomizer run, but it wasn't a nuzlocke

nuzlocke is a bold move for a game like this

[cunning parrot]

You could use shadow Lugia as part of the design for that

[finite prism]

i was thinking about that

and giving it som sort of boxing gloves or something

[thin pasture]

Make it like "stand" on its wings as well

Gives it a more fighting type pose

[finite prism]

understood that

[thin pasture]

😂

Kinda like yveltal when it wasn't flying

[finite prism]

i'll try my best in such a small size

[thin pasture]

So with its wings on the ground

[thin pasture]

Right, thats a problem..

[finite prism]

i think it turned out ok (pls don't die soon)

[spice warren]

pantsgia

[dull crow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1y33zyeXfpE @buoyant lark

[buoyant lark]

Awww

[cunning parrot]

Hopefully you’re not playing a game where fairy is modded in

[lament cradle]

Gdq is so good.

[finite prism]

I'm playing regular emerald

[finite prism]

noooo not lugia

stupid combusken with extreme speed

wow that was quick

i'm done with emerald nuzlockes

you know palette randomizer is working when this happens

[lament cradle]

There's a palette randomizer?!

[finite prism]

there are several

and for several games

also nice start

what monstrosities have i created

[finite prism]

why wouldn't the software keep the black outlines

[open stirrup]

You using one of those mods to change color palettes? Outside of the emerald one, they kinda suck.

[steady reef]

pallete randomiser, you'd have to be lucky for them to look good

[formal oyster]

There are better ones, I believe.

Ones that keep the black outlines.

[open stirrup]

I tried soul silver with one, it looked gross

[solemn nimbus]

Lmao wtf is that sprite palette randomizer

Mine wasnt that terrible

[cunning parrot]

Debatable

[solemn nimbus]

Or, is it

At least i still had my black outlines 🗿

[finite prism]

The dusknoir has none

[solemn nimbus]

Yep, he's naturally dark, the skin blends with the lines

So it's less good

[dusk gyro]

less good

[steady reef]

my face when person on internet doesn't use grammar properly

[finite prism]

Less good

Ouch

Imagine not knowing its worse

[steady reef]

less worse moment

[long narwhal]

We all know its More Bad

[thin pasture]

Its goodn't

[placid obsidian]

Suboptimal

[late kelp]

Very less good

[long musk]

Worsed

[steady reef]

worster

[thin pasture]

Worcestershire?

[steady reef]

any ideas?

[dense juniper]

Stanx 😎

[thin pasture]

Stan modern mode luxray-only fusions when

[steady reef]

naming it :huehue :

[thin pasture]

Eww no

Just name it stan

[steady reef]

the woman

[finite prism]

stanielle

[steady reef]

perfect

[patent iron]

When I was able to collect Pokémon cards

It started to take up to 24 hours to organize my binders every time I got new ones

[placid vapor]

Does anyone have a razor claw I could get In swsh I’ve got a lairon

[late kelp]

[vernal harness]

is there a randomizer for gen 6?

[thin pasture]

I think you need pkhex for that

There should be tutorials on YouTube

[vernal harness]

does it work with roms?

[thin pasture]

For like citra you mean?

https://youtu.be/vN7l4gE0qgI

[vernal harness]

i use desmume

[cunning parrot]

That’s only for DS games, not 3DS

[vernal harness]

oh.

is there a 3ds emulator?

[finite prism]

Citra

How do you not know about citra

[vernal harness]

i try to avoid citra after it gave me a virus

[steep crane]

I don't think that's Citra but the rom you downloaded

[reef aspen]

This is gonna be controversial but

Ivs should be removed from Pokémon

They make playing online more difficult for people who do not wanna bred Pokémon for long periods of time

Natures,moves,hidden abilities and EVs already make Pokémon varied enouh already tbh

[cunning parrot]

IVs aren’t the most important anyways

[reef aspen]

That's the thing, I feel like losing them would only remove a barrier from playing online/competitively

Besides, everyone cheats them in anyway

[reef aspen]

I like how Pokémon fans making regions are like "I mean I do like racoons but my region Is based on Australia" meanwhile gamefreak introduced an Egyptian mummy Pokémon in the New York region

[cunning parrot]

At least they were accurate with Trubbish