#other-pokemon-games
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Smart people wait for the upgraded version anyway.
The ultra games were more of a downgrade tho
They do add 2 new Pokemon and the Necrozma forms, and making those unable to exist in Sun and Moon was just stupid
Sun and Moon don't have surfing or Ultra Space riding or the Rainbow Rocket subplot.
Did I buy Diamond/Pearl? No because I knew there would be something like Emerald.
obviously gen 5 was different
Some people can't wait, or are unable to wait without getting spoiled. Putting that stuff in dlc instead of a full-priced game is a smart move imo.
I thought there would be a Z for X and Y but when Sun and Moon were announced I finally decided to get X.
It's pretty clear the DLC was intended for the main game and got cut because of time
You should've gotten ORAS
That's been debunked actually.
I did
I'm not sure why you are so sure that hating Sword and Shield is just a phase that everyone is going through right noe Veegee. I genuenly think that these games are the worst designed main line pokemon games ever and that wont ever change, unless gen 9 somehow turns out even worse.
But you can still enjoy it. Just dont assume everyone disliking it is stupid maybe 🤷♂️
The dlc was made by a completely separate team than the main game.
By who? GameFreak? Because I'm sure they have no reason to deny part of a game was cut and sold back later for more money
I got ORAS the year after it came out. Delta episode means no Delta Emerald.
The idea that anything from the dlc was intended to be part of the main game and then cut is a baseless assumption anyway.
They've never remade third versions anyways, they've just added content from the third versions into the remakes
We get it Veegee, you're okay with any game as long as it's got the most basic Pokemon experience
When did I say anything like that?
I usually get them when they come out, but after sword and shield I'm kinda done with pokemon actually. I dont think I will get the next games unless it turns out that they are actually good again.
I found Swsh to be genuinely fun and enjoyable, one of the best even.
Have you played any other Pokemon games before?
Yes, literally all of them.
I won't get "new" Pokemon games until the next gen is announced.
Except for ultra sun/moon actually.
I got internet pressured to get Sword and Shield.
Why do you prefer SwSh over every other game?
I think there are theories of gen 4 remakes in 2021 right now?
But I hope not. Gen 4 remakes on the sword shield engine would just ruin them. I rather wait a few more years 😅
People saying "how can you say the game is bad if you've never played it?"
I'd rather just replay gen 3,4, or 5
I think it's pretty easy to tell when a Pokemon game is bad or not just by watching someone else play through the whole game
At that point I would really only be buying the game to reward the devs for making a good game. I already mostly experienced it.
Usually you can tell once the E3 treehouse gameplay videos come out. After those I knew that Lets Go would be trash and gen 8 would at most be dissapointing
I've been a huge fan of Pokémon since gen II, and for a while I've wondered what they were gonna do about the increasingly ridiculous amount of pokémon to keep track of. I was relieved when they finally gave an answer in gen VIII.
Just kill a bunch of them
Why would so many pokemon be a Problem?
Yeah, why?
I said it might be one of the best, not that it is the best. Hgss and gen V are also way up there.
I don't think the Pokemon models need to be changed much. They will probably reuse them for the next 15 years.
Which is sad. I really dislike the 3d models
They were made with the intent to be used in future games and on stronger hardware, them being that quality is a reason gen 7 lagged so much
The 3D models could be fine if they were animated well
I prefer sprites too. But the 3D models in Sw/Shield look much better than that of the 3ds.
They're the same, they just have updated textures
The quality is. But there are 0 new animations
you right
Cause of the massive workload it puts on the devs? You try remaking the moveset of 900 pokémon each gen, and coming up with locations for all the form change and evolution requirements, and also adding 100-200 to that list each gen.
Yeah move animations peaked in gen 5.
There are actually LESS animations, they removed the animation of the Pokemon turning it's head towards you at the start of battle when you have a high affection; now they just move the model up and down and play a bounce sound effect
Gen 5 had the best Pokemon models/sprites and the best battle engine. Really fast and smooth
And the animations really made the pokemon come to live
yeah that's ugly
And as a personal reason, that many can be overwhelming to the player as well.
You are acting as if gamefreak wasnt the richest game company in the world with technically infinite money
Honestly move animations in Conquest are better than that of gen 8. At least they look like the move is actually hitting the target,
If it weren't for the dex cut, I never would've considered making a living dex this gen.
The evolution thing you mentioned makes no sense and I'm not even really sure what your point is
They aren't? They're relatively tiny compared to actual AAA companies like Nintendo.
Are you really unironically saying that
Yeah, right
And they don't make all the money from the Pokémon franchise, that's divided among the Pokémon Company, and we don't know how it's divided.
"GameFreak is just a small, indie game developer, please stop being mean to them"
I never said they were indie.
Nintendo doesn't make the games, they just publish them
If they asked for money they would get money. Game Freak and their philosophy is just conservative as hell. Reading any interview with matsuda these Days actually makes my blood boil
Like how Nintendo doesn't make the Kirby games, just publishes them
For all we know, Gamefreak only gets money from the games themselves, and the vast majority of Pokémon's profits comes from the merchandise alone.
They sell 15 million units per game, they make more than enough money from thr games
especially considering how few people they have to pay
And they rush the games so they have a release like every year
If Gamefreak only gets money from the games themselves then they are making A LOT.
Even so, "the richest game company in the world with infinite money" is still obviously wrong.
What is your point?
They know they can do whatever they want and people will buy their game because it's Pokemon, the most profitable media franchise in the world
"Well actually, they dont have infinite money, just a crap ton"
That is my point, I was refuting your point.
And they'll have bootlickers defending their crappy practices
If you look at the comments sorted by new on a distant kingdom video shitting on the terrible gen 8 animations literally all the arguments are "Well YOU try making the animations better!!111!!!"
That guy's pretty cool
If you really want to defend game freak here, go back and adress all my other points you ignored.
You are only arguing against the stuff that is easy to argue, like the infinite money thing I noticed 👀
Veegee, have you made any points besides just saying "no, that's probably not true, maybe"
Distant Kingdom is one of the worst.
Distant Kindgom makes good videos. Showing how easy it is to fix some of the messes Gamefreak makes
Veegee, you are allowed to like Gen 8, but there are things like the animations that are just objectively bad compared to so many other things
Like Regieleki (the fastest Pokemon, with 200 base speed) not being able to keep up with you in the overworld walking animation; he made it so it does keep up with you
I am allowed to like gen 8 and its animations, and you not liking it doesn't mean it's objectively bad.
That's true, but I never said that; and even so, there are arguments for why they are objectively bad
By "doesn't keep up with you" do you mean "has a slower walking speed but faster running speed"? Because that's not the same.
You can like them, yeah
But they have a lot of basic flaws, and that is just a fact. Like how every Pokemom only has 2 attacking animations, instead on one for biting, one for punching and so on
You can like gen 8, but don't defend Gamefreak when they continue to cut corners in future games.
What are you talking about?
And yet it's only bad when Swsh does it even though all previous gens that use 3d models are the same.
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Animations should be improving so long as the engine remains the same. If they don't bother to improve them in the next game, then I can't overlook that.
The past games also have terrible animations, people just expected this multi billion dollar company to make improvements to the animations once they got the games onto superior hardware
Oh, so even its running speed is like a light jaunt, that's interesting.
Didnt I already say I hate the 3d models? Gen 6 and 7 are just as guilty in that regard. But not fixing them makes them worse with every gen, because of the time passing
You keep acting like the past games having some of the same problems means it's excused in newer games
That makes no sense
if anything it makes it worse
Each new generation would only make it harder to make more attack animations, not easier. They wouldn't just be making a few additional animation, they'd be adding 800 each, and that number goes up each gen.
They have the resources
And it's not like they would have to drastically change them after each generation after making animations that are good
They managed to make 600 3d models with animations at once for gen 6. Don't act like this is impossible in any way.
they dont even make the 3d models themself. they hire other companies to do so
Also remember SwSh was made by the B team of GameFreak
The game the A team made isn't that much better.
They did and literally everything else about XY suffered because of it. Just a moment ago you were talking about how much that game sucked.
You keep acting like the past games having some of the same problems means it's excused in newer games
So you admit the amount of people working on the game were limited yet still expect so much from them.
This is just stupid
Having the B team work on SwSh is one of the problems
they should have more people working on the game. this is not an excuse
I dont expect much. just decent quality. if you cant do that, why do you make games?
I think it's fair to expect a lot from the most profitable media franchise in the world
Veegee, stop trying to make the conversation go around in circles. The games needed more money, more time, more people. These things can be changed before release.
That's subjective, and I thought the quality of Swsh was above average. The only place it was wasn't great was in the massive wild area.
Small developer teams around the world make wonders all the time, like the giant xenoblade 2 that not a lot of people worked on. gamefreak is incapable of matching something like that even if they have exponentially more resources
You say that like any of that was within Gamefreak's control.
Omg, this guy
If it wasn't, the fault lies on Nintendo then.
Yes.
No
No
That, I agree with.
I think they could be.
Or Gamefreak is filled with pansies who can't admit that they need more resources.
Also, that is more baseless than any assumptions we have made in this discussion
I don't know if more money and resources would've helped, the real problem was with time, and there was no way TPC was gonna budge on a holiday release.
Definitely rushed.
I can agree with that, but that doesnt change any of my points
I'm gonna finish Kirby's Dreamland 2 now, the final boss (Dark Matter) is difficult
Seeya tomate
Good discussion everyone!
cya Knuckles!
I guess?
I'm happy. Take solace in whatever you want.
I guess. Not like anything anyone says is gonna stop me from enjoying the game anyway.
To you, (probably), nothing was gained or lost. At least you talked to someone about it.
I may disagree with you, but I don't dislike you at all. In fact, I learned something valuable about you.
^
Okay, thanks.
Okay but something we can agree on is that Gamefreak hits it out of the park with Music, every game
Absolutely not.
What do you mean, sure there are bad themes, but the music is consistently really good
especially gen 5
There are a lot of stand-out tracks in gens 3, 4, 5, and 6. Not so many in the others.
Gen 7 and 8 had some amazing themes
Aether foundation grunt for gen 7 and Gen 8, Lackluster in a lot of areas
But
Gym theme, Rose's theme, Peony's theme
I am not a big fan of the route and town themes in either of those gens.
Yeah
They were definitely worse tracks the gen 6 and prior
But
they were still pretty great
Actually gen 6 isn't as good as I think. I listen to too many gen 6 remixes.
Oh man, the music is one of my favorite parts of gen V.
Here's a list of types of themes and which one is my favorite:
Pokemon Center: Colosseum
Pokemon Mart: Gen 3
Okay sorry to interrupt but this https://youtu.be/e-LfPDxyZ0w
Jojo
Gym Battle: Gen 3 (Gen 5 final pokemon doesn't count)
First Route: B2W2 (Fall)
Wild Pokemon: Gen 3 (anime, but the games second)
Trainer Battle: Gen 1 anime, Gen 3 games second
Victory is Right Before Your Eyes (gen 5) is one of my favorites, and I also liked the gen 6 trainer battle theme.
Oh, and Vs Team Plasma grunts, and Vs Iris, and Vs Colress.
Gen V has so many good battle themes.
I'm sorry the remix is never as good as the original.
Grunt Battle: Gen 3
My least favorite is Pokémon Center at night (dppt).
Okay that's not entirely true, the gen II/Hgss versions of Lavender Town and Viridian Forest slap so hard.
I just really love the mood those two songs set and how different it is from the original songs now that those areas are less scary and more familiar.
The same could be said about the way N's theme changes from bw to bw2.
Almost all of my favorite songs are from gen II and gen V in case you couldn't tell, Johto and Unova are my favorite regions.
You can already tell that gen 3 is my favourite,
But I also quite like gens 2, 4, and 5.
I specify region and not gen because gen IV has both hgss and the Sinnoh games, which are my least favorite.
Yeah HGSS does pull up the rest of gen IV quite a bit. I don't dislike Sinnoh but the synth aesthetic isn't my style.
Even then the music manages to be consistently really good. Just not enough to be better than gen 3 or 5.
HGSS's music isn't as good as GSC.
All of this is just my opinion, of course.
I agree. I'm still salty that they removed the best part of the National Park theme.
I want to say which part but have no idea how to describe music over text.
the trilling?
I think Gens 4 and 7 have the best music
Looks at gen 5👀
Gen 4 and 5 are the music goats
Altough I never play with in game music lol
Gen 5 music is good but it never felt outstanding to me.
Gen 4 with its jazzy themes perfectly hits my taste and the Gen 7 town and route themes are absolutely amazing imo. And they really fit the tropical island theme. Also, all the team aether tracks are 11/10
https://youtu.be/GIn8_Q27WFY
This is the best battle theme in pokemon tho
Zinnia battle Theme from Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire.
Credit: Nintendo, Game Freak, Creature Inc., TPCi
Original Composition : Junichi Masuda, Go Ichinose
Original Designer : Ken Sugimori
My true objective is to make the music's search more easier for people who want a specific Music and also make the best quality possible.
I also want to men...
It's great
Dont think I'd say the best tho
Altough I dont know what I would consider the best
Also yeah Zinnia's theme is awesome
Is there any way to make a pokemon build close to beedrills on pokemon sword
I downloaded Pokemon home yet I don't own any Pokemon Games
Balanced and Logical as all things should
😏💅
wait
renamed channel?
poggers
so people can stop using #gaming for normal pokemon stuff
thanks mods/frogman, very cool 👍
👀
Oh, SwSh is renamed now, cool
@upbeat magnet Should this channel be used to post stuff about a randomized playthrough of the official games too?
I think it should from my perspective. 🙂
oh yeah I forgot to tell you I renamed this channel
I don't see why not for randomized playthroughs
Uni how do you switch the ingame sprites with those?
tnx
That's not an official game, those are clearly not normal Pokemon
they sprited them based off their types from the randomizer
wait did this go from #sword-and-sheild to #other-pokemon-games ?
yep!
Shuckle gets roar of time
Rate my randomized Nuzlocke team
anyone know how visualboyadvanced works? It wont load my rom
@pine ingot when you have a moment would you be able to explain to me how the toolkit works?
I think that there are tutorials on youtube
I mean if you have not figured it out yet i can explain how it works in a little while
Just have to get on my PC
@edgy bane ok im on my PC you still need to know how to import the sprites ?
@pine ingot yeah I still am not sure how it works, when I load a rom with the program all of the sprites are messed up
you have to click synchronize palette
if you are not doing that
also sprites can only have up to 16 colors on them
including background and outline
When I choose my rom it says Data is not LZ77 compressed
I haven't done anything with sprites and it has an error
Damn
That's so weird
I'm just using a normal fire red with random
Its set on fire red
And I'm opening fire red
ok click edit
also
i loaded it fine
no error
i have the Squirrels fire red rom
idk if that matters
ill download squirrels
after importing you select Synchronise palettes
i also click update palettes
idk if its needed tho
on write to rom you select find free space
and wait for the write to offset to change
yeah ive seen all that stuff before
thats it
somewhat related but this part seems very hmm on solar's end
love me some ??heracros
np
now is it possible to transfer my save data from my other game that i already started to the new rom i just downloaded?
well
probably
if its named the same
as the other rom
problem is
its gonna be randomized differently
so ye its gonna be buggy as hell
cuz your save data mons have different types/moves etc
if you did those options of course
I just want to keep my dragon/fire weedle DX
venipede
got it
Bw(2) randomizer?
yep!
How random?
extreme is what i put it
So random stats, typing, evos, ability?
You didnt touch the moves or not the move pp?
Yep
Yep on which of the 2
Rip
i cant spe,ll
just a sec
That's not even that extreme
i just randomized the pokemon ;-;
THATS NOT EXTREMEEE
SORRY I DIDNT KNOW
Got it
Hrng
bruh. this seedot.
Chernodot
its psychic/rock
2 things: 1; i do not have an electabuzz
and 2: what is plot type?
and its good at attacking people
comedic
I want to try making a type swap sprite
What rom is that?
emerald
Yeah...
pokemon emerald randomizer
But what did you do to it?
use a randomizer
Can someone randomize one for me 👉👈? I'm on mobile.
nope
Okay
cant on mobile
so if you hate losing to zigzagoon then rip
it's like losing to the rival for me (i hate losing to the rival at the start of the game)
how random?
there are lots of options
not a good idea
Okay
i can't randomize starters
You can't?
no
why?
but i can use a random number generator
Yes
Do that
Also for pallet do type based
That sounds right
I'm going to draw my team
azurill replaces treecko
Oooog
Oh
oh wait i can randomize starters
it was just in another tab
too late for that though
i just randomized the starters
Noice
this good?
Yes
Unchanged, all selected except all pokemon appear
what
No I mean pick that
oh
then you will not have random pokemon
then what?
Their types will be random though, right?
yes
yeah
That's what I want
think of it as altered except it's emerald
ok just making sure
Yeah
so just leave all the other options unchanged?
Yes
for the palette
What is single family palette?
i think all evolutions have the same palette?
the whole line shares colors
everything else unchanged?
Yes
Don't touch any of that
All except randomize field and pickup
this is good?
let me dm you it
you dont need friends.
Wrong pokemon
Can pokemon gain new types?
Like can my mudkip gain ground after evolving?
Noice
if it was set that way
but mudkip isnt a dinosaur.
Dinosure he isn't
Yeah I know
But he's also not normal type
I can make it what I want
but dinos are far from normal
I'm changing it though
It doesn't even look like a mudkip
It has shed skin
So reptile
a lizard does work
?
it seems to be working though
i didn't give you the one with the settings i posted in here
but that one works too
The setting are good tho
k
It's fine
Actually I think I might need the rom
I don't think moves are randomized
They didn't
DRAGON TYPE RATATTA WITH DRAGON RAGE
BIG POG
Nvm ice poison
Weird that it has dragon rage
I don't kind
Mind
And it has drizzle?
Weird
you wanted to randomize everything
oh
you need the emerald randomizer
also somehow you said that right as i was looking at this channel
there's an option to randomize types and randomize colors based on the randomized types
you need a rom and the emerald randomizer
the .gba one should work
i had that too
still works?
it shouldn't mess anything up
ok
yeah it still works
hard mode randomizer?
I'm probably late, but the universal Pokemon randomizer does a wonderful job of describing what each thing does! Here lemme find a link to it
OH WAIT
is this for a rom hack, lol my bad, i'm dumb xD
its for a randomizer
I prefer randomizing pallettes and types with the emerald one and then everything else with the universal pokemon randomizer
what randomizer thing is that
so my previous nuz ended bc of some abomination called huge power, 100 atk, rock type pelipper
which killed my team
so cheers to new run
solid starter
aight peeps and peepettes, gimme a steel magby nickname 👀
so it begins
Nuzlocke?
yes
I started a fire red randomizer and i got a eletric totodile
Kinda wanna sprite it so it looks more accurate
yeah this is my starter
(we only randomized the starters, encounter wise)
magby, elekid and smoochum

modest normal type
Are you guys randomrizing this with the universal randomizer or where we at? 👀
e w w
randomized with the universal, then color palette randomized with another program
Tell the other program. 🔫
I randomized with the universal randomizer but i will use the advanced tools to make pretty sprites for my team
for the palette randomizer
wow my rng came through in this random wild encounter lol
my magby only has fury attack..it hit 5 times, the last being a crit and taking down the mon lol
without that crit it would have lived
hm
Thanks Stan
If i figure out how to do it, i might do some yeah.
not backsprites, because fuck backsprites.
you make the sprite
then you add the sprite
Serious is a bit bad for that i would assume?
Green and white rock racoon
rockoon
My VisualBoyAdvance is taking ages to load. 👀
white screen?
I use no$gba
Yep, and the numbers are going crazy between 800 and 700ish
And wait?

Any idea on how i can turn the game speed down?, i might have used this before and it has just went crazy with the speed now. Lol
How?
sike
Whats ralts type tho?
probably dark
yeah i never have any problems with my game being too fast lol
maybe change the throttle?
where can i do that?
options, frame skip
also could i force myself to get a ralts?
abusing dupes clause and all
ahyes
Huh?
huh?
for now
dark water
new type and ability when it evolves tho
also didnt even get lotad hrng
this is cool
183|Marill |PSYCHIC/FIRE | 70| 40| 50| 20| 50| 20|AIR LOCK |STATIC |
i have some.. intresting choices
katten did you do random evos
nope
random ability
nope
then f that vigoroth lol
otherwise that would be an amazing pick
i get so excited every time i see a Pokémon, i think it's a shiny.. :sad:
perfection
nice
What type?
i actually really like sceptile so i do not mind
lol my wurmple has knock off and thief
Damn
ice bug👀
Fire type will legit destroy it
My totodile has thunderbolt which is an electric 85 power 100 accuracy move 👀
And he's only lvl5
I'm guessing that mewtwo is ice/grass
May has a Jirachi 
Cause you did not pick it
hhhhm
and so it starts
ghost beautifly aye
Kinda wanna see dustox
it just deleted all my progress. :sad:
bruh how
Did you press any button?
you did ctrl+x i guess
That's a cute sandshrew. 👀
I'm guessing dark/poison
You should do the same as me katten
And have regular encounters👀
But random abilities and shuffled stats👀
And no random trainers either👀
Amd randomized moves acording to type
That's what i did, not the stats tho. 👀
hmm
Did you select that you get moves that are mostly stab?
Probably didnt
I didn't see a place for that.
meh
It looks pretty cool.
well damn it
F for kimi
help im getting swept here lol
okay phew nevermind
needed a safe switch, rip screw
new👏run👏
good👏luck👏
i just cant beat may atm
Grass (something maybe) smoochum
I only have clamp atm
But she heals with mega drain so 
the amount of times i died during this grinding montage lol
most mons have leech life for some reason
well damn
my magby had clamp
at lvl 7 it got
🥁

YES
god damn it
another modest poochy when its the absolute worst ability for it
F
Grinding my Dratini will be a nightmare
this one is quite good tbh
also @spice warren @quaint ravine flashbacks to chitin->citine
:((((
also very spicy bug
is it shedding some sort of burn spores to have that ability?
[Stanta Claus was burned!]
lets see what this becomes this time
I have the exact same Wurmple colours for that. 👀
👀
pretty
or that might have been in a prev run
i like the little red fellow
now lv 7. 😎
Poggers
OH MY GOD RA...wait i did this joke already
Decomposing Ralts
rots
lmao
thats great early game
I sure love "Minus" :sad:

Thats a nice moveset
totally legit screenshot that is not artwork in any way incoming
man i love the wildlife of hoenn
yeah i tried
high quality burd idea for a certain guy who keeps spriting the things he catches
it uses its wings as roots/a way to stand up off the ground
weird
hm
you're missing sneeek
i wonder what sneeks fully evolutions type will be
marill but it beats yo u to death
my team so far
aipom is fighting
torchic is dragon
and kingler is flying dragon
new encounter
dunno if i need to randomize moves
cuz this octillery has water gun
if you don't it means you're probably screwed in terms of stabs
I love shuckle so much
ok
Its the shuck
i still dont know how add sprites. :sad:
there's a tutorial in that download page
why sideways
so poochyena apparently is a ground/fighting
that's a trainer mon
kecleon
kekleon would be kinda cool but
pokemon that evolve would be cool
plus nuzlocke
and crobat in nuzlockes is so good
have you seen him in mystery dungeon? kekleon is op
thats mystery dungeon
this is a actual game
that zubat is kinda op tristan
what name
kecleon
im not naming it that
he needs more love.
kecleon is not really good in main game
catch it
it's a trainer mon
catch it!
let's see what i get
magikarp
eletric type
o
first encounter
well kinda
i accidentally ran from my first encounter
makes sence
oop
that was a encounter
crit icy wind via mistake
or rng
why does every single trainer have my lil lotad 💢
it's a bug type
Platibug
why would you use rain with a fire type?
Not like you can choose the ability lol
i know.
this nickname is a hint to the design of breloom 👀
oh my god am i gonna get swept by a fcking nincada
if you make a sprite of it, you need to make it a floating mushroom spore
help
well gg
fuckkk
f
welp
language!

now fun fact
i can actually win this lol
nincada is ghost, has just ghost moves
lol

