other-pokemon-games

[broken temple]

im doing aight

[coarse viper]

noice!

[broken temple]

oh ye the shiny rate is 100% boosted

lamo

[coarse viper]

yeah pisces also does this every 3 encounters i encounter a shiny SPinda xd

[broken temple]

omg my lad

https://tenor.com/view/jalen-hurts-jalen-hurts-meek-mill-i-used-to-pray-for-times-like-this-gif-13709870523385828441

And its hidden ability

😭

[smoky gyro]

Bruh

[broken temple]

ig the shiny rate can get higher lamo

[coarse viper]

noice

[coarse viper]

God can i like stop encountering spinda in the grass? they are so annoying to kill for xp

[thin narwhal]

Doesn't matter anymore, a Snover that wouldn't enter a ball killed it and my Zigzagoon (R.I.P. Esidisi and Ziggy)

That Snover later died so I lost my encounter for Axew Lake (east)

[daring juniper]

Necrozma's full defeat animation w a small visual effect added.

[unkempt egret]

rip snover and ziggy

[mighty robin]

Ultra Necrozma after it tries to Photon Geyser a level 1 Rattata, but it survives due to Focus Sash, then it uses Endeavor and then Quick Attack.

[unkempt egret]

or given Ultra moon, a totem raticate with the same

[coarse viper]

reeee Pisces patched out the rare candies cheat

i am tired to exp grind

[golden agate]

What starter did you choose cuz ain't there like 100 starters to choose from in that game?

[inland crane]

I realised fossils and early bugs of Kanto are locked more than mewtwo

[coarse viper]

nvm they have inserted inf rare candies

my bad

[broken temple]

just went with delhpox

[coarse viper]

last two stages in the tower defense are kinda rough

[broken temple]

skill issue prehaps?

inteleon is a cheat code

utlizie it

[coarse viper]

i did

these 2 don't have good spots for Inteleon tho

[broken temple]

use the star item

it changes it to a star shape instead of a cross

[coarse viper]

i do that

but inteleon needs range

[broken temple]

i used him in every map since i leveled him up

he did more then fine

[coarse viper]

God pisces will be soo much better if the maps were clear or npcs will give you indications on the path forward

[golden agate]

That's how I feel with black 2 but instead of not knowing where to go it's the NPCs talking to you every 5 steps

[coarse viper]

i love the fakemons

[unkempt egret]

curious as to what "panics attackers with stat boosts" means

I'm assuming that causes confusion if one uses a stat boosting move with it on the field?

[coarse viper]

panics is a new status effect in the pisces

[unkempt egret]

ah

[supple basalt]

Still seems weird to tie it to pressure.

Pressuring someone doesn't make them panic more often than not so it feels like something that should be tied to Intimidate because that ability isn't good enough on its own /j

[gaunt sparrow]

Doing a randomized emerald imperium nuzlocke and I think this run is going to be good cause I'm coming up to roxanne with a chansey, swalot, buziel, naclstack, drakloak and pyroar. and the abilities are randomized too

[still ledge]

Randomized Radred run just got erased

I will miss you, Spore + Bitter Malice Dragapult

[sweet crypt]

What in the spawn of satan

[still ledge]

Tell that to the 0-turn sleeps I got hit with 1/2 the time

[sweet crypt]

Simply get luckier

Idk what else to tell you

Also those would be 1 turn sleeps

0 turn sleeps are only possible if your opponent has Early Bird or something

And I highly doubt 50% of all Pokemon in RadRed have Early Bird

What I assume was happening was you'd outspeed and instantly put them to sleep, and that turn is their first turn of sleep

But they wake up on Turn 2, AKA the turn directly after that

[still ledge]

They woke up on the same turn. But they still fell asleep, and didn’t trigger a berry.

[sweet crypt]

Are you sure they fell asleep?

Because this could be a Sleep Clause moment or something

Which only allows 1 Pokemon on each team to be slept at a time

[still ledge]

Nah, that prevents sleep from triggering in the first place

[sweet crypt]

So they did straight up fall asleep

[still ledge]

Yeag

[sweet crypt]

And then woke up on Turn 0?

[still ledge]

Same turn as the sleep, yes

[sweet crypt]

You may want to ask the RadRed Discord about it

Because the only info I can find is that RadRed makes 3 turn sleeps exceedingly rare

But nothing about 0 turn sleeps

If you genuinely just got like

Half of all Pokemon randomised to Early Bird

Then, well

Fair enough

Because Spore Dragapult is a vile creature

And should be crucified

[formal loom]

A bit of question:

Should I play The Pit or Emerald Rogue?

[still ledge]

It had Study

[pine ingot]

playing alpha sapphire currently (i had lost my 2ds for a while and finally found it a couple days ago) and just completely out of the blue (literally) i got a shiny tentacool

[golden agate]

Machamp does crazy damage

[hidden quest]

Is heartgold generations worth a try?

I'm new to roms

[unkempt egret]

I'd say so but make sure you're not using DsMuMe for it (MelonDS is a food alternative)

[golden agate]

PizzaBoy works great for me

[unkempt egret]

haven't tried that but probably worth a shot as well

[odd mason]

is this team peak

[sweet crypt]

Xerneas performs exceptionally if you know how to play the game

Even if you don't have many unlocks on it, good enough play can allow it to fully solo

So yes, this team is kinda peak

[umbral egret]

Emerald

[supple basalt]

Delphox looks so out of place amongst the forms and fusions XD But I can't bring myself to take her off the team. She's my starter

[sweet crypt]

Why are there so many blocked ads

[supple basalt]

I have an adblocker. As long as it isn't forcing me to turn it off I'm okay with them. Any website that forces me to turn off adblocker I never visit again.

[sweet crypt]

No as in

Why are there ads in the first place

[supple basalt]

Every website has ads?

To my knowledge anyway. All the ones I visit lol

[sweet crypt]

OKet me be more clear with what I'm trying to ask

What is this and why is it on a website

[supple basalt]

Oh it's Pokemonpets

Lol

It's a browser game

Though I'm not sure if the person who made it is incredibly knowledable about the battle system. Considering these are the base stats of all the not-delphoxes

The pokemon by default has all three abilities listed active lol

[sweet crypt]

These are some of the most wacky fucking stats I've ever seen

[supple basalt]

Right? XD

[sweet crypt]

Imagine being given an Attack Stat superior to even Kartana but then getting 65/60/60 bulk and 75 speed

Tragic turn of events

[supple basalt]

That's Absol/Type: Null

[sweet crypt]

Where tf is the Type: Null part of that fusion

[supple basalt]

It got poor Absol's defenses and speed and they just clocked his attack up

[sweet crypt]

This is more like what I'd imagine Absol/Rampardos would be

The only one that isn't ass is the one with 790 BST

[broken temple]

wow thats kinda cursed

[sweet crypt]

790 BST and somewhat better minmaxed than most Box Arts

[supple basalt]

That's Arceus Ground/Reshiram

XD

[sweet crypt]

Well, a smaller fraction of its stats are spent on the inferior Attack stat

[sweet crypt]

What the fuck

Why is it Physical

Arceus is mixed and Reshiram is Special

[sweet crypt]

And why does it have higher PhysDef than SpD

[supple basalt]

I hate it's physical since Reshi's moves are in its levelup moveset

[sweet crypt]

Reshiram's supposed to have higher SpD than PhysDef

[supple basalt]

Like I said, creator has no fucking clue how stats work

XD

[sweet crypt]

What even are the other fusions

[supple basalt]

They copied the Base Stats onto the non-custom forms and fusions and didn't look shit up when making the new ones

[sweet crypt]

Why does this Vaporeon have 180 SpA

[supple basalt]

Idk what all fusions there are but I can look through my box-

I DON'T KNOW >> Caught me off guard too. Normal Vaporeon doesn't have 180 SpA

[sweet crypt]

I get that SpA is its 2nd highest stat but it's only a 110

[supple basalt]

Vaporeon has normal fucking stats

That Vaporeon Skull though is like "Wtf"

[sweet crypt]

Wait this is literally just Vaporeon with 180 SpA I assumed the rest of the stats would be different

I mean I know I could've just looked at the other stats first but like

You have to understand

180 SpA caught my eye

[supple basalt]

It's a different form they added their own shit to

[supple basalt]

It caught mine too that's why it's on my team

[sweet crypt]

Sylveon having stupid SpD seems normal though

I mean not to that extent

But still

[supple basalt]

Also Regenerator was made OP

[sweet crypt]

That isn't even Regenerator

That's like

2.5 Leftovers as an ability

[supple basalt]

Just assumed that's what it did I assume. I'm finding some of the new stats hilarious

Oh god you have to see how dirty Milotic was done one second

Oh wait no. I guess it was just the Feebas

I assumed Milotic was physical since the Feebas it evolves from is physical. Nvm then lol

(Also they have Zamazenta but he can't learn Body Press)

[unkempt egret]

so gen 8 zama then

[supple basalt]

Basically

:(

[coarse estuary]

idk why it bugs me but i have this pet peeve of just hating people who play pokemon rom hacks or fan games but have never played pokemon before and complain the fan game or rom hack expects the player to have played pokemon before

[shy jay]

what is this?

it almost looks like the black&white hud but xerneas is there

is it some sort of rom hack?

[sweet crypt]

Why does this feel like a callout to Pokerogue players

Like this sounds like exactly the sorta shit a lot of Pokerogue players would do

[coarse estuary]

oh im not calling out specifically pokerogue players im just calling out anyone who thinks its a valid complaint that the fan game or rom hack doesnt load the player with 100s of tutorials and actually is assuming the person playing has played the main official games before

[sweet crypt]

I feel like Pokerogue is probably the fangame I've seen the most number of these people though

In fact it's probably the only one I've seen these type of people for

[coarse estuary]

then you havent been around pif enough. ive seen so many people complain that pif doesnt have tutorials and exepects the players to have played pokemon before. its not as common as when the flux of players came from the yt boom but

[pine ingot]

i got about to kyogre before this egg hatched and it was just a fucking wynaut

[sweet crypt]

Tbf I'm mainly in this channel only

Is this in like

[supple basalt]

There are so many people where Fangames and ROMHacks are their first pokemon game which is perfectly okay. I personally do like when fangames assume you've never played it before (Which is not something PIF does sadly)

There's not even a catch tutorial :(

[sweet crypt]

General or playthrough talk or something

[supple basalt]

I think it would be really cool if Fangames did what Sword and Shield did. Something so many people don't know about Sw/Sh is the catch tutorial is skippable since your mom gives you pokeballs

If you catch a pokemon before catching up with leon, he'll be like "Oh cool" and hand you some more pokeballs, thus skipping the catch tutorial lol

[unkempt egret]

Is was gonna say I'm trying to think of a vanilla pokmon game where there isn't a catching tutorial and I'm wondering if there actually is one

..actually I was gonna say swish's since I keep forgetting there is one there

[coarse estuary]

yeah there is nothing wrong with it i just hate when they act like every game has to force 100s of tutorials down your throat like a mainline game does and if it assumes you have played pokemon before its automatically a bad game.

[formal loom]

By the way, what is the gameplay of pokemonpets?

Same like pokemmo?

[supple basalt]

Idk what Pokemmo is but basically you move from map to map which you can see other users on, catch pokemon, battle, earn arena badges, laugh at the stat spreads of the unique mons, and rinse and repeat XD

[coarse estuary]

pokemmo is just pokemon but you can see everyone who is playing and also on the same map as you

[supple basalt]

Oh then yeah basically lol

(Makin' me wanna try that game now... XD)

[coarse estuary]

its not that good tbh its just the main 5 gens frlg - bw1 then competitive battling in post game

[supple basalt]

I just wanna check it out anyway and I do have some ROMs chilling in my desmume folder lol

Does it accept Randomized ROMs or just vanilla?

I don't think I'll play it that much, it's more just "Pokemon but there are 50 people impeding progress"

[coarse estuary]

i think only vanilla

[supple basalt]

That game did make me want to play Black again though so I think imma do that lol

Randomized Black or regular ol' BlazBlack though

[coarse estuary]

neither do regular white. get the better 8th gym city

[supple basalt]

VoltWhite also has that lol (They're ROMHacks that provides the vanilla story and graphics with harder gameplay)

But I like Reshiram more than Zekrom so I'll be playing Black or BlazBlack :P

[coarse estuary]

eh im just not a fan of difficulty hacks because they are dumb and stupid

[unkempt egret]

I'm also not a fan but mostly since I'm not a fan of hacks that give every boss fight 6 mons and call it a day. (okay maybe that 8-mon one gets a pass since that's the entire point of it) I appreciate the intent, just not my cuppa tea

[coarse estuary]

any hacks that require you to constantly team swap or ram your head into a wall for hours to win are games i will never play

[supple basalt]

You won't see me out here playing rad red because I don't hate myself quite enough to suffer that. Though if I put in BlazBlack I just have to make sure NOT to give my rivals Snivy

Because it gets the Hidden Ability for them

[unkempt egret]

oh yea compared to RadRed it's thankfully a lot more reasonable from what I recall

[supple basalt]

I don't mind difficulty spikes like what BlazBlack/VoltWhite, their sequel and HGSS counterparts do

[coarse estuary]

ive heard good things bout it but my general idea of dray hacks and other difficulty hacks are either 1 team swap for every fight or loose or b make it so incredibly hard that you are forced to use a specific subset of mons for a gym or you cant ever win

[supple basalt]

Stuff like

Insurgence
Kaizo
Rad Red

Like a bunch of other crap

That's when it's too much

[coarse estuary]

insurgence aint difficulty spikes its just bad level cap and giving you no time to gain levels to match it so you constantly have to secret base grind to stay on par level wise

[unkempt egret]

yea dray is more just "every boss has 6 mons and decent coverage from the start" so it's more of a U-shaped difficulty curve

[supple basalt]

Intelligent NPCs with bad level caps makes it insufferable XD

[unkempt egret]

since you get access to everything while the opponents can only get higher BST mons

[supple basalt]

The only reason I lived through mega ray was because a pal traded me a Delta Volcarona lol

[coarse estuary]

mega ray is easy just ice move it and ohko it

[unkempt egret]

I've played a few "use X or perish" games those are always rough

[supple basalt]

It outspeed my Delta Gardevoir and Oh-koed lol

[unkempt egret]

well, any strong ice, dragon, or fairy move yea

[coarse estuary]

rip

[unkempt egret]

that'll do it

especially since isn't it electric too? so it takes less from dragon ascent... which also throws its special defense down to -1

[zenith trellis]

So, I just finished Pokémon Too Many Types 2, and wanted to share my team here to commemorate if that is ok.

[supple basalt]

Gard's physically frail lol

[zenith trellis]

ok, give a bit to type out the whole thing

[coarse estuary]

but yeah i will always have a hate for difficulty hacks and fools gold since those communities from what ive interacted in them are you are bad if you are struggling and we wont help you just laugh at you or if you ask how mon evolves we will say "figure it out" or "before level 100"

[unkempt egret]

that'd be fine, maybe behind a spoiler (surround your post with || on each side) but that isn't super required so up to you

[unkempt egret]

"before level 100" is where I'm like "alright I'll see myself out"

I think the only pokemon game where I've gotten to level 100 before just doing it for battle facility's sake (tera raid's sake in gen 9) was legends ZA but that was arguably still kind of postgame stuff

[coarse estuary]

like i was doing a nuzlocke of fools gold and had a mantyke on my team and asked in the questions section if the mantyke evo was changed or if i would need to catch a remoraid to evo it then release it and they said catch one and find out and when i said i was nuzlocking i cant easily do that they said if other people can blind nuzlocke it so can you. im just like just because i can blind nuzlocke it doesnt mean i want to

[unkempt egret]

oh gosh yea with nuzlocke conditions that would be rough

then again I'm also the kind of derp where my next ask would be "where's the eviolite then"

[supple basalt]

I am in the Insurgence Server and they can actually be helpful but most difficulty hacks it's like haha git gud =_= I hate it

[unkempt egret]

(tbh I'd allow the remo evo since that's one of only two mons that requires another for evolving)

and the other one (pancham) is more broad in what it wants

actually my bad add +2 if we count shelmet & karrablast

[supple basalt]

Booted up Insurgence. Why am I only level 3 lol. And why do I have a Crustle-

[unkempt egret]

also yea when I'm doing nuz advice I usually give it with the "with the stuff you've presented" idea with team swaps mostly being a "if needed" thing

[coarse estuary]

oh yeah i love the insurgence server its lit. though i will say if you havent been in the urainum discord its kinda a mix of both as they are helpful if you need it but if you ask how to level up easier they are just like beat more pokemon which is rude because 1 the exp gain is really low and if you hack at all you are banned from the server

[unkempt egret]

also cake crustle is good

[coarse estuary]

i see level 3 nowhere only badge 3

[unkempt egret]

at least for looks dunno how it is for gameplay

[supple basalt]

Yeah I think I remember it being good

[supple basalt]

Fuck why did I say level XD

[coarse estuary]

idk man

[unkempt egret]

then again regular crustle is terrifying in nuzlocks for me

[supple basalt]

He's underlevelled. I should level him

[unkempt egret]

sturdy + shell smash + rock wrecker = "no rock resist? someone on your team's getting OHKO'ed. pick which one."

[coarse estuary]

speaking of insurgence this is the team i beat the main story with last time i played

[unkempt egret]

at the least because of rock wrecker (wrocker?) it usually only gets one KO but the choice is still rough

[supple basalt]

Oo nice!

[unkempt egret]

nice nice

[supple basalt]

Crustle is like Who called Bug Types useless

[coarse estuary]

and ik it looks odd but yes all mons here have something new. i got the special mega stone on my steelix

[unkempt egret]

I know someone in the nuzcord did a mono-dark run of insurg which I recall being rough in earlygame

[coarse estuary]

i got a monosteel save of that thats mid way through

[supple basalt]

Speaking of

XD

[coarse estuary]

make sure you are not grass leveling and using the level trainer. will save you time

[supple basalt]

I'm at the level trainer lol

[coarse estuary]

ok good.

[zenith trellis]

My Too Many Types 2 Champion Team consisted of:

Stitches the Leavanny, who was Silly, Bean, and Bug type. Stiches was originally named Tailor, but had his nickname changed to match the state that he left anything I sent him against. Literally carried the mid game and used sticky web to facilitate his much slower teammates throughout the entire final gauntlet

Leilani the Florges, who was Fairy GirlBoss type. I wanted to use Florges and it was so worth it. Ate special attacks for breakfast and was instrumental in preventing a Fluttermane sweep in the endgame.

Sun Wukong the Infernape, a Fire/Fighting, Monke, and Goku type. My Starter, and an extremely fragile glass cannon. Would either one hit K.O. or die instantly

Air Force the Dragapult, a Gun, Ghost, and Guys type. A late but Vital addition, literally swept 2 separate elite four members (numbers 2 and 4). could not have done it without him.

That is part one

[supple basalt]

He is caught up

I am actually lost though ._. It's been a long time since I played this file

Ehh I'll worry about it later

[zenith trellis]

Part 2:

Witch the Hetarene, a Magic, Gender, and Vibe type. Her job was to basically be a hammer to hit difficult types with. Saved the run with a quick claw fireball in elite four 3

Mariana the Crawdaunt, a Dark, Crab, and sometimes Kaiju type when mega evolved. The only bulky pure physical mon I had, meant to spam Giant Enemy Crab and destroy things that were being a problem for the special squad. Also helped with the evil team.

Honerable mentions go to:

Tiamat the Hydrapple, who was Dragon, Food, and Guys type. Carried the late game and against the evil team and rival, but had too many weaknesses (food is weak to all biting moves + other stuff) to make the final cut.

Warlock the Gardevoir, who was Magic, Gender, and Brat type. Carried the mid game along with Stitches, but did not make finals because it kept getting obliterated by things I thought it could take in the late game. Also because vibes would be better than brat for the elite 4. It was not. My one regret was not bringing him, as he was with me from the start of the game.

That is my team.

Thoughts?

[modest canopy]

what game is this?

[mighty robin]

insurgence

[modest canopy]

is it fun?

[mighty robin]

fun to watch playthroughs of it ig

might have been some years ago when i played it

[modest canopy]

oh ok

[coarse estuary]

well its time to get the 2nd of 3 non single typed mons for my normal only nuzlocke

[coarse estuary]

it is fun if you use the level trainer to make sure you are consantly on par with the level jumps

[modest canopy]

finally playing pokemon SS in 2026 lol

[terse pollen]

Why

[modest canopy]

Cuz my brother just found the game and he allowed me to play after we both looked for a long time

[terse pollen]

No why are you playing pokemon sword and shield

[modest canopy]

No i mean SoulSilver

and im playing cuz its fun

[terse pollen]

Oh

Then go for it king

Never too late to get into older games

[modest canopy]

yea i played pearl when it came out then my brother said he didn't want diamond and said he would wait for the next game for some reason and when SS came out and he got it and i didn't i crashed out

oh and my sis got nintendogs

[shy jay]

I just found out that heart gold generations exists

from what little I know of it IWABAG

[coarse estuary]

oh monomasters is so fun

[pine ingot]

even if they were why would that be a problem... the actual gameplay itself in those games is fine and the dex is baller for the most part

[terse pollen]

Nah

[pine ingot]

i really enjoyed swsh, i can get the complaints about the visuals but the game itself is pretty good and the characters don't feel samey like in a lot of older pokemon games

[unkempt egret]

yea the only issue I'd see with that is if they got a little too adventurous in the wild area starting out and got mobbed by that level 28 (?) liepard near the bridge

but that specifically requires you to ignore the path to motostoke so not a huge issue

or the onix near the start but I think the game specficially warns you about that one

[pine ingot]

swsh is also an example of modern pokemon's Really Fucking Good Worldbuilding

[terse pollen]

???

[coarse viper]

i mean Galar itself is pretty neat

the villain sucking is part of that plot sadly but yeah

[coarse estuary]

just because you do not like a game does not mean others are not allowed to like or enjoy playing it

[still ledge]

https://pokepast.es/5d04676aba24232a

Really mid VGC idea

[cursive halo]

yall think i should run support zacian to outspeed darkrai for misty terrain

[still ledge]

Tapu Koko isn’t an option?

[broken temple]

playing pokemon spork made me realize how broken goldengo is
thank god i didnt play pvp when he came out
id lose my shit

[coarse viper]

reee! i hate how the guides for the questlines tells me to fly to X but absolutely none tells me how to get the damn move

[coarse viper]

i am losing it i can't find any info on how to get fly and its so annoying to go around the cities to do the quests

[unkempt egret]

||go to the route to the left of celadon, if you ignore the house leading to the bike route and head up you should find another house, talk to the person with the pidgeot inside to claim your HM|| (fly location)

[coarse viper]

i am talking about Pisces xD

[unkempt egret]

ah

[coarse viper]

we are in #other-pokemon-games

😛

[inland crane]

todays pokedoku

[coarse viper]

yeey got a Ralts in emerald!

[inland crane]

,fm

nvm

[coarse viper]

lmao shroomish needing level 54 for spore is so weird

[gaunt sparrow]

I think the chimchar I got for my run and bun is a sign that this is going to be a good run

[inland crane]

im probably gonna lose anyway but lol

[coarse viper]

Its fine dad.. Double kick is your direct counter that's all

the team so far Nuzleaf is my Hm slave xD

[coarse viper]

well helloooo nurse

nvm i killed it

xD

got it

[still ledge]

Ain’t that a kick in the head?

[modest canopy]

im doing a SS (soul silver) nuzlocke im so ready

[mighty robin]

heartgold is better mostly because it's natural to have a preference for a game you've played over a game you haven't played. i think?

[coarse estuary]

good luck navigating the whirl islands if you dont pull a guide up

[modest canopy]

nah i like Soul Silver better

[mighty robin]

well, i don't think i've played soul silver, so i'm gonna say heartgold is better on the basis that i've played it

[coarse estuary]

well everyone has their opinions, dont be one of those people who tries to say the others opinion is wrong because it differs from yours

[modest canopy]

after i beat this one im nuzlocking the gen 3 games probs ruby

or emerald

[mighty robin]

true, mb if it came out that way

but i'm sorta technically right? i'm pretty sure i haven't played soulsilver, so i can't really rate it, can i?

honestly, i think on my heartgold game, i got the Lugia that you can get in HG

[coarse estuary]

you cant rate it if you havent played it true but you also cant say wrong if someone says they prefer it

[mighty robin]

also my typhlosion that I named FIREBEAST!!!!!!, because I was around early teens i think?

[modest canopy]

not that far in the run just lost my first pokemon my Pidgey

[mighty robin]

o7

[coarse estuary]

this just a normal locke? or a special type of one?

[modest canopy]

just a normal

[coarse estuary]

ooh nice. those can be hard too if you arent good at nuzlockes yet. rn im doing my monomasters run 1

[modest canopy]

one of my first runs ive done like 2 other nuzlockes

[coarse estuary]

oof yeah i could understand it being hard. good luck though. hope you win or at least improve durring this run so you can try other nuzlocke variants when your skill improves such as monomasters

[modest canopy]

what do i name my bellsprout?

[still ledge]

Bag

[modest canopy]

ok

[coarse estuary]

by jove we did it. white mono normal was completed. only reason we won was because of some clutch misses by ghetsis and awful move choices by n

[coarse estuary]

will say though was rather boring having only 3 dual types (since i made the starter aipom instead of a mon that gets a 2nd type)

wont start my next run for mm tonight but will brainstorm ideas on what game type combo to do next

[unkempt egret]

as I said a month or two ago my mono-normal run of shield had the opposite problem where 5/6 of my mons had dual types so it didn't really end up feeling like a mono normal run

[coarse estuary]

deciding what type to do next. im considering x mono fairy so i can use slurpuff as its my favorite kalos mon

[unkempt egret]

oooh nice nice

the one issue I can see with that is that it's a trade evo but if you're running emulator that shouldn't be a problem

(I belive Sword also has slurpuff too but that's not quite kalos)

[still ledge]

Ultra Sun Bagon

[coarse estuary]

bagon is not a type

[coarse estuary]

i got 2 2ds systems (had 3 but traded one in since i dont need 3) and one of em is hacked

[still ledge]

Mb, mind went violently astray. Meant Bug.

[coarse viper]

this will always make me giggle

[broken temple]

theres alot of land under that water

checkmate kyogare supporters

[coarse viper]

exceeept not really because to reach it you gotta use dive

so the land is under a fuck ton of water

[broken temple]

the land withstood the water above it
no reason why groudon cant survive a bubble!

[cinder iron]

Kyogre Squeezes

I bought an Omega Ruby cart but it experienced cartridge death so now I need to fix it

[broken temple]

demm

[cinder iron]

I do intend on using Milotic and Latios tho

Naming the Milotic Krishna and the Latios Cielo

Maybe Aitvaras for a Blaziken too lol

[coarse viper]

And the goat comes as always

[broken temple]

kyogare used ice beam

[cinder iron]

God Cielo works so well as a Latios nickname

[broken temple]

kinda does

[cinder iron]

Blue, plane

[coarse viper]

Rayquaza outspeeds pretty sure xD

[broken temple]

but cant one shot

[coarse viper]

god i really wanna beat Juan with the Plusle and Minun

[coarse viper]

Clamperl is such a nice exp grind for electric types xD

[coarse viper]

i hate this horse with a passion

i hate your stupid Kyngdra

[formal loom]

TBH, in RnB the starter always get 3 random 31 IVs

[coarse viper]

Emerald beaten 10/10 like always
Gardevoir and Plusle sweept Wallace

[broken temple]

epic emerald victory

going through pokemon Spork
these are all the shinies i encountered so far
its excessive

[sweet crypt]

Why does it feel like every enemy Kingdra in a Pokemon game is the spawn of Satan

Actually, I can answer that. Evasion bullshit. It's Evasion bullshit

[gaunt sparrow]

Well I guess i got good rolls on that one for its 31 ivs being in HP and both defenses plus its jolly nature which speed is good in RnB

[unkempt egret]

I forget if it's Clair's in HGSS or Juan's in emerald but I recall one of those two uses double team in vanilla

tempted to say juan's since with clair her luck element is doing x3 damage to rip right through a resistance and delete your mon off the face of the planet

[sleek zephyr]

1 - Crustle
2 - Furret
3 - Toxicroak
4 - Heliolisk
5 - Magcargo

[coarse viper]

i just finished Emerald and i can confirm its Juan

[sweet crypt]

She can also use Smokescreen and make you miss btw because of course it can't just be getting obliterated by a crit you must also miss your 100% accurate move

[still ledge]

The ever unreliable Freeze-Dry:

[unkempt egret]

shame that's a gen 6 move which is after you fight any of those three fights

(and most gen 3 fangames don't implement it either since I'd imagine it's a pretty tricky effect if you're doing a binary hack)

[brisk hedge]

It is Juan

[unkempt egret]

also for legend I did check she has smokescreen in both GSC and HGSS yea

so both use luck but one's far worse to deal with on that front since clair usually just rolls in with sniper strats rather than

chestorest

[sweet crypt]

At least it's Swift Swim and not Sniper I guess

[spice pilot]

In Pokemon Sword, I replaced rillaboom's woodhammer technique with energy ball and focus blast. And I do have a good reason why: because wood hammer causes a lot of damage to both the opponent and the user making them both easier to defeat and be defeated by Leon at Wyndon Battle Tower. That is how I lost against Leon! The effects of rillaboom's wood hammer, the damages it has caused has resulted in its own fainting. It is just not worth it! So I replaced rillaboom's wood hammer with focus blast [a fighting type move that's safer for the user, but harmful for the opposing pokemon] and energy ball [a grass move that's also safer for the user, but harmful for the opposing pokemon] which causes a lot of damage to the opponents. Woodammer is a huge disappointment! If you inflict large amount of damage, it'll come right back to ya. Ooo ouch! That smarts! Yeesh! >.< (shivers)

[sweet crypt]

Why not Drum Beating and like any fighting move not named Focus Blast?

[spice pilot]

got that move, too

[sweet crypt]

Rillaboom is a physical attacker primarily

With an amazing 125 Attack and an abysmal 60 SpA

[spice pilot]

Yes, I got drum beating, focus blast AND energy ball 😄

[sweet crypt]

There is 0 situation where you ever use Energy Ball over Drum Beating, and Brick Break outdamages Focus Blast too

(Or Drain Punch, with the same BP as Brick Break, being a physical move that heals the user)

[spice pilot]

yeah

but I'm feeling a bit frustrated. Leon's rillaboom has focus blast and I am trying to use it against his rillaboom

[sweet crypt]

Function over style points, imo

[spice pilot]

I will have to outsmart the man to win

be strategic about it

[sweet crypt]

Yeah, so outsmart him by not running a Special move on your Physical Attacker

[spice pilot]

yes

and what's wrong with me was that I have been gigantamaxing my pokemon too early. I should save it for last instead. I learned from that mistake

[sweet crypt]

Anyways here are some calcs using Brick Break and Focus Blast against Jirachi, who has equal Defence and SpD
0 Atk Rillaboom Brick Break vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Jirachi: 66-78 (19.3 - 22.8%) -- possible 5HKO
0 SpA Rillaboom Focus Blast vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Jirachi: 57-68 (16.7 - 19.9%) -- guaranteed 6HKO

Brick Break/Drain Punch simply do higher damage against a Pokemon that has similar Physical and Special bulk, and they benefit off Max Knuckle unlike Focus Blast

And also don't have 70% accuracy

Superpower/Hammer Arm are typically seen as the 2 best options for Fighting moves, but you don't seem to like moves with drawbacks

[spice pilot]

I do not like techniques with intense recoils

[sweet crypt]

I think I'd go with Drain Punch as my Fighting move in this context

[spice pilot]

great idea

I'll have to find that TR disc somewhere and teach my rillaboom that technique

men in the wild area rarely sell it

[sweet crypt]

From what I can remember about the Pokemon Leon uses, I think Knock Off would probably be a good idea on Rillaboom as well

It'd be able to cover Aegislash, Mr Rime and Dragapult

[spice pilot]

yeah

training them and leveling them up is highly recommended, too. That way, they inflict more damage 😄

sometimes you can feed them candy

[sweet crypt]

Damn, Rillaboom doesn't learn any Rock moves

[spice pilot]

that's disappointing!

[sweet crypt]

I was thinking maybe you could run a Rock move to hit Cinderace and Charizard (though the latter has a Charti berry) but I guess not

[spice pilot]

charizard is cheap! That overgrown lizard keeps beating or weakening me! It's so frustrating!

[sweet crypt]

I guess you wouldn't keep Rillaboom in on them anyways

[spice pilot]

I guess not! That would be like shoving brambles into a furnace with a pizza peel!

[sweet crypt]

I just realised Charizard has Weather Ball

Except it cannot set its own Sun

Since it's Gigantamax

And the only weather move Leon has is Rain Dance on 1 of 3 Seismitoad sets

At the top of my head, Nihilego and Coalossal should do pretty well vs Zard

[spice pilot]

yeah, Leon has many tricks up his sleeves. It takes cheap strategies to beat this caped clown!

[sweet crypt]

Both are very bulky on the Special side and the best Zard has for them is a neutral Grass move

And they're also both Rock types

Nihilego in particular also outspeeds Zard

At least, assuming you've EV trained its Speed

Since Leon himself uses EVs in the Battle Tower

[spice pilot]

I'm a pokemon league champ but I still lose against him at wyndon battle tower

he's GOOOOOD!

[sweet crypt]

However Nihilego is also DLC only lmao

[spice pilot]

yep. Just trying to figure out how to defeat Leon at wyndon. He sends random pokemon, even when I switch mine

he is hard to beat!

even when I battle wisely

or try to

he is hard to beat

[sweet crypt]

To my knowledge, he always uses Gmax Zard, and may also have Rhyperior, Aegislash, Mr Rime, Haxorus, Dragapult, Seismitoad and the Galar Starters

These are the Pokemon you'll need to plan for

[spice pilot]

and they have strong techniques and use critical rates while mine doesn't. It's not fair to me!

mine don't do critical hits much

so exasperating! 🙁

but yes, I thank you for your advice. I will try to plan ahead. 🙂 As for their techniques, that taught me to stay prudent, and I mean consciously aware and alert of their powerful moves and be careful 😄

I will attack them wisely

sorry about my complaints earlier 😅 I had grief for the moment and I expressed it the wrong way. Sorry again

[coarse estuary]

dont blame the game because you arent teaching your mons good moves but the opponents have good moves

[spice pilot]

sorry I was not aware of that. I am still new to this thing. 😅

[unkempt egret]

YOOO I GOT A DESTINY MARK SHINY

hilariously it wasn't even the shiny I was going for

decided to swap from growlithe to vulpix since they were easier to see and the second shiny had a destiny mark!

(amusingly he's also male which is a 25% chance for em)

for reference a destiny mark is a 1/25 chance but only on your birthday

[still ledge]

IT’S GEN 6? Oh god. I remember it being in Fire Red somehow.

[unkempt egret]

strange

if you wanted SE damage in gen 3 your options were dragon claw (only available after the fight since juan unlocks waterfall's use), dragonbreath, and twister

thankfully it's just 95's mostly imagine if it followed seadra's stat line

[sweet crypt]

And Juan's Kingdra has Ice Beam

[unkempt egret]

to clarify on this, he'll always have Aegislash (always first), Dragapult, Haxorus, and Charizard (always last)

[sweet crypt]

The only Dragon not weak to Ice in Gen 3 is ironically Kingdra itself

[sweet crypt]

This is Battle Tower

So it's random lmao

[unkempt egret]

aaaah yea my bad thought they were doing the champ fight

[sweet crypt]

In fact, every fully evolved Dragon type is 4× weak to Ice this gen

Well except the Latis

[unkempt egret]

if they come back I'd probably add (held) item use in some way like even the type resist berries can help if they proc

[sweet crypt]

Which I'm pretty sure are Post-Game in Emerald

[unkempt egret]

I'm at a bit of a loss on what to hunt now in scarlet lol

I could be cheaty and just go for flutter mane (because or the exploit) or glimmora (they're EVERYWHERE down there) but any other suggestions?

[sweet crypt]

Idk

Ngl, there's quite a few Pokemon that feel lile they're heavily underestimated in Gen 9

[unkempt egret]

I could import a vivillon pattern from GO and hunt that but not sure

[sweet crypt]

No Pokemon really examplifies this more than Wo-Chien

Wo-Chien is amazing in both RU and NU, and was amazing in PU too before it rose to NU

And before the DLC, it had a major presence in UU, too

Keep in mind, this generation is one that sees Pokemon like Staraptor and Heracross struggling to stay afloat in these very tiers

[unkempt egret]

I forgot there were sinisteas in the DLC ngl

thoght those were only maingame

[sweet crypt]

Both of which are seen very favourably by the casual fanbase

[unkempt egret]

I would be tempted to hunt sinistea but I don't like tea IRL they're so tiny

[sweet crypt]

Though in the case of Staraptor, direct competition is also a factor

[unkempt egret]

I'd like to hunt eevee but there's like 10 other normal types in the one area where it has a decent spawn rate

...the sad pat is that it might not even be hyperbole now that I think about it

since there's uuuh eevee, jigglypuff, meowth, persian, ditto, komala, tandemaus, starava, I think there's another normal I'm missing

[sweet crypt]

If you want to use a Pokemon that spams Choice Item Brave Birds, U-Turns and Close Combats, would you use the one with marginally better stats but a lack of STAB on CC leading to a Stealth Rocks weakness or the one with STABs for both Brave Bird and CC and also has Scrappy?

[unkempt egret]

I'm assuming the latter is the flamigo

[sweet crypt]

It is, indeed

[unkempt egret]

also I don't like how the bug sandwich on the calc has me intentionally throwing away half of a basil

since if you put all four in you apparently get fire instead

[sweet crypt]

Remember chat, waste food

That way you will find weirdly coloured animals

[unkempt egret]

ROFL and then I made fire anyway since I wasn't paying attention

unless you want eggs, then have yourself a PB&J

(there's probably better recipies that give egg level 3 but the PBJ one is funny and cheap for level 2)

[sweet crypt]

Ok though but actually, there needs to be a study on the phenomenon of casual fans thinking Heracross is some top tier Competitive menace in Gen 9

While roasting Flygon in the same sentence as if it hasn't established itself as the best Pokemon in the tier Heracross is arguably failing to find a place in

I mean technically it's better than Staraptor, who is NU proper even if Heracross isn't

But I think that says more about judging Pokemon based off usage than anything

[unkempt egret]

meanwhile I just swapped to hunting volbeat/illumise which also has the issue of "there's a lot of other bugs in this area"

[sweet crypt]

Because Staraptor's literally Ambipom tier in NU

It's worse than ALTARIA

[unkempt egret]

the bad ol' ambipom issue of being too attractive to low ladder to get the drops it wants

wait hol up

[sweet crypt]

Tbf, it's not like Staraptor will find itself revitalised in PU

Since, y'know

[unkempt egret]

I can just drop in the water since the only other bug that spawns here is surskit

[sweet crypt]

It's banned from PU

[unkempt egret]

and yanma but there's like one in a crowd of volbeat/illumises

[sweet crypt]

Tbh it seems like UU may just be incredibly hostile to it, since ironically a lot of Pokemon that were B ranked in NU (better than Staraptor at B-) are still B rank or even B- in PU

[unkempt egret]

heck I forgot I gave my trainer the dipplin goggles he just looks so done

[sweet crypt]

Not Heracross though, it's also PUBL

But considering how Pokemon that rule NU consist of the likes of Flamigo, Chandelure, Munkidori and Garticuno, I'm not sure if anyone is shocked that it's struggling to find its footing

[unkempt egret]

I feel like I need to take a sip for every time I've seen an illumise and thought it was a shiny volbeat

there we go had an illumise spawn but it's markless rip

one of the rare shinies where a quick ball actually works kinda

usually it's like... D-tier (unless it's on drifloon/drifblim then it's the highest tier I can give it)

[topaz thunder]

I'm doing some Theorycrafting for Pokemon Challengers, and folks here might know the answer to this. Does Mega Evolution happen before or after switching?

in Gen 9 Terastalization happens before Pokemon switch

but I think in gen 7 mega evolution happened AFTER switching

[unkempt egret]

got a cacnea with a mark but it was a personality mark not a destiny mark so I'll take it

also "Stardust Enthusiast"

sadly was too cold for me to partake in foongus hunting yesterday but at 1000 (or 1500 if you star piece'd) stardust a pop I'd imagine anyone who did got a LOT

[sweet crypt]

More importantly, why would it matter?

Either ways you've already locked in your switch

[topaz thunder]

You have Abomasnow, Snow Warning Activates Snow is the Weather -> Opponent swaps to Torkoal, it has Drought, Sun is now the Weather

[sweet crypt]

That specific, huh?

Alright let me do some research then

[topaz thunder]

if you MEga Evolve Abomasnow, whose ability is Snow Warning

because bulbapedia says "Mega Evolution occurs before most actions except switching out."

[sweet crypt]

Wait actually I don't need to research

[topaz thunder]

but I am getting mixed answers

[sweet crypt]

Because you can always switch out of a Shadow Tag Gengar

Because it needs to Mega first

So your opponent would switch to Torkoal first and activate Drought, then Mega Evolution on Abomasnow would reset it to Hail

Man imagine if Gengar Mega Evolved before you switched

Actually just AG in Gens 6 and 7

More broken than Mega Ray

[topaz thunder]

I wonder if dmax and tera go after switch because abiltiies don't change

[sweet crypt]

Though Champions/Gen 10/Whatever is gonna make sure of that, anyways

[sweet crypt]

This time I really can't think of any way it could matter

Except like uhh

NatDex Ubers Tera Dark Pursuit?

[topaz thunder]

maybe

[sweet crypt]

So for like idk Yveltal or something it'd matter

[topaz thunder]

I am just doing Theory crafting because the difference between gen 7 Abomasnow and gen 9/10 Abomasnow is 50% more def

[unkempt egret]

I was gonna say using snover in the trashlocke really made me apprecaite that 50% more def

also TGCP update just dropped for anyone who plays that

[topaz thunder]

Mega Abomanow's Defense in Snow is 157.5

[sweet crypt]

But yeah I remembered that Mega Gengar interaction

So you should be free to reset Torkoal's Drought

[sweet crypt]

Also, not how that works

The boost is to the raw stat, after all the stat calculations including IVs and EVs and shit

[unkempt egret]

the "including IVs and EVs" part is important since the effective improved base stat can vary wildly off that

[sweet crypt]

It's more like a 181.5

Assuming maxed EVs in Defence

[topaz thunder]

so the boost from snow DOES include EVs?

[sweet crypt]

And IVs ofc

[unkempt egret]

almost all boosts do since I don't think there's anything that directly relies on a base stat?

[sweet crypt]

If Sand's boost includes EVs, I don't see why Snow's wouldn't

[unkempt egret]

aside from absurdly niche things like Beat Up in some gens

[topaz thunder]

OK so Max investment Mega Abomasnow in Snow has a 258 defense stat

[sweet crypt]

Crit rate in Gen 1 as well

[unkempt egret]

lorde beat up is a strange move if you look at its history

[topaz thunder]

The move that made competitive players forced to nickname their Pokemon>

[sweet crypt]

Man wtf crit damage in Gen 1 is based off levels???

[topaz thunder]

either way, Mega Abomasnow in Snow tank Close Combat from Urshifu

[unkempt egret]

I'd imagine that has to be a gen 2-4 thing since it'd basically be giving your team away in a gen where team preview didn't exist

(not sure if anyone was using beat up in those gens but)

[sweet crypt]

I believe a big video was made about it concerning Gen 3

Maybe

[unkempt egret]

ah I could see 3

[sweet crypt]

Idk maybe it also was referring to other gens

I believe it was a Freezai video?

[sweet crypt]

OK but seriously

Even with all the fucked up shit I already knew about Gen 1

I could NOT have seen this coming

Game so glitchy it creates abominations only eclipsed in stats by Eternamax Eternatus

One that has a major error in the type chart that just doesn't matter

[topaz thunder]

@sweet crypt this is why I asked about the mega evolution timing question:

[sweet crypt]

One where boosting stats is a glitch, missing is (potentially) a glitch, using multiple moves is a glitch

RBY is so fucked that it kinda loops around into being fascinating

KOing Pokemon with specific moves is a glitch, hitting moves in specific conditions is a glitch, heck even just using a move in general can result in a glitch

Getting paralysed while using Dig or Fly makes you invincible

All Crash damage does exactly 1 HP of damage

Giga Drain works into Substitute

Or, well

Mega Drain

Believe it or not, Mega Drain working here is a glitch

It isn't supposed to

[unkempt egret]

got another shiny with the 'eepy mark, this time a larvesta

[coarse estuary]

idk if this is good luck or not for my latest monotype run but metronome has hit spacial rend twice

[sweet crypt]

It's all fun and games until you roll Healing Wish and perish

[unkempt egret]

HECKIN

cons to shiny hunting in west prov 3: there's like a million normal types out here

pros to shiny hunting in west prov 3: ghost bag glitch

oh

well that's a ditto with a destiny mark (not shiny though)

pretty sure this is gonna be my final Destiny Mark hunt in gen 9 if gen 10 is later this year (not sure?)

a good 15 seconds of jigglypuffs being violently thrown into cliffs since the wing picked up, normal SV things

(amusingly if I had a shiny boosted sammich on that'd be a very good way to get shiny puffs since they're immune to the blowing)

[smoky gyro]

Can Komala use sleep talk?

Like what is the point of the "considered to be asleep" part

[cloud lark]

Comatose means Komala can't be afflicted with statuses, can use Sleep Talk and Snore, and takes double damage from Hex and Wakeup slap

[unkempt egret]

(not that you'd see the hex interaction normal but it's there nontheless.)

[cloud lark]

Comatose is amusing to me cause it's an insane ability in the right place, but Komala just doesn't have the tools to use it to its full potential

Granted at its peak potential is "Sleep Talk Whirlwind spam on something fast while there are Rocks up so your opponent takes hazard damage without the chance to retaliate," but I would like to see it on something stronger than Komala without getting that extreme

[smoky gyro]

Okay wait

What if

Facade

Cause THAT would actually be kinda broken

Idk if Komala learns it

But a 140 bp stab with no downside is ridiculous

And no set up

And doesnt steal an item slot

AND no DoT as well

[simple quartz]

And it can be Normal/Ghost as well

I know this isn't a Pokefusion thing but I mean yeah

[sweet crypt]

It does, but Facade doesn't work with Sleep

[smoky gyro]

It does

Unless showdown is wrong, it does

Cause Ive seen eviolite guts ursarings

With rest sleep talk facade

And a coverage

[sweet crypt]

Except Showdown only mentions that Facade works with Burn, Paralysis or Poison

Which is true

Guts works with Sleep, Facade doesn't

[smoky gyro]

I need to test that next time I play showdown

Its too late rn for me

[sweet crypt]

I've seen youtubers acknowledge that Sleep doesn't work with Facade, too, while using that set in RandBats

I suppose Facade is there because Status is still pretty common anyways

[smoky gyro]

Its not that I dont trust you

I just need to see it for myself

[unkempt egret]

oh

"digtrio"

[smoky gyro]

Dug-trio

[marble ginkgo]

What's everyone's FAV Champion/Final Battle Theme from both the Mainline, Spin-Off games, and ROM Hack/Fangames?
(The actual battle the music plays in is not important to keep in mind, just the music and the vibes of it.)
To Clarify:
1 from a Mainline
1 from a Spin-Off
1 from a ROM Hack/Fangame

[smoky gyro]

Iris or Ghetsis

Im a BW stan and I'm FUCKING proud of it okay

Ghetsis' theme is still one of the coolest ones

And you already know what Fakemon theme Im picking

Its Turner baby

That is my entire Pokemon personality and Im hella proud of it lmao

[sweet crypt]

The mainline champion and final battle themes are fucking STACKED

[smoky gyro]

Shame e4 isnt included

[sweet crypt]

I was trying to make a tierlist of them and I don't think I put a single song below A tier?

As for spinoffs...

Hmm, do I want to be a basic bitch?

[smoky gyro]

I dont play spinoffs so I have no clue on any of them

[sweet crypt]

Yeah fuck it, I'm gonna be a basic bitch

Dialga's Fight to the Finish

[smoky gyro]

How did i know it was gonna be mystery dungeon-

[sweet crypt]

I feel like most people would answer Dialga's Fight to the Finish

[smoky gyro]

I have

[sweet crypt]

As for fangame, I genuinely do NOT know

[smoky gyro]

Never heard of it

Lmao

[marble ginkgo]

In terms of Mainline for me:
https://youtu.be/nXgAj5KdAC0?si=067x0w_BF5kEbqPe

In terms of Spin-Offs:
https://youtu.be/hvhx2409c4c?si=4BN0ht6nbRvOAeeS

[sweet crypt]

I feel like a lot of the fangame/romhacks I play are the latter and don't add new music for the champion

So I'm probably not gonna pick a favourite of the fangame final boss themes I know of

But what I will say is that the name of Reukra's theme from Insurgence kinda goes hard

[coarse viper]

https://tenor.com/view/cynthia-pokemon-garchomp-piano-gif-783309718385324066

[undone sand]

https://tenor.com/view/sulivan-gif-23143496

[coarse viper]

@broken temple i know you've done this a week ago but i wanna show it anyway

[sweet crypt]

Ngl my favourite mainline final boss theme might just unironically be the ZA base game true final boss who I shall not spoil since this isn't the ZA Channel

[broken temple]

nice

[coarse viper]

now imma just let it run in the background to shiny hunt and to get everyone to 100

[unkempt egret]

wait what im on autobattle how the heck did this happen

[sweet crypt]

I know this isn't a factor, but it does kinda help that the boss isn't easy as fuck

[unkempt egret]

also favorite theme uuuh

probably steven/wallace's theme from RSE (and only RSE, dunno why but the remixes don't capture it for me)

[undone sand]

Lance/Red

[unkempt egret]

it's a spinoff and I don't count the latter as a Final Boss but shoutouts to the remixes on both Iris and Geeta's themes in Masters

[sweet crypt]

Would Arven's theme technically count as a final boss theme?

Because that'd be funny

Especially considering that this isn't even the first time you'd have heard it

[unkempt egret]

sadly not since Sada & Turo have their theme right

actually if we count that gen then Pecharunt's theme is also a jam

[coarse viper]

Rng jesus smiled on me this round of Pokerogue

[coarse viper]

lmao i gave Regigigas earthquake

a normal type eartquake

god hitting flying types with eartquakes is so funny

[coarse viper]

Yooo???

lets go!

[sweet crypt]

Modest, too, that's a massive W

Because there is 0 situation where Solgaleo would be preferable over Lunala in my experience

[coarse viper]

2 wide lens on my Regi lets go!

this run is going better

[coarse viper]

3 wide lenses

alright this is neat

alright got a master ball i pray for Arceus to come

[coarse estuary]

By the time that would happen I wouldn't be having the move anymore

[coarse viper]

Yeah I fumbled the attempt cuz steel type rip

[terse pollen]

the goat

[inland crane]

umbreon victim*😁

[coarse viper]

Prehistoric Cynthia that cheats

[terse pollen]

You're just mad he's cool enough to get 8 pokemon

https://tenor.com/view/volo-volo-plushie-dance-volo-plushie-dancing-volo-pokemon-gif-4850653184004418213

[coarse viper]

If he needs 8 pokemon and still canonically gets his cheeks clapped then he is a poser

[inland crane]

too bad legends za lets best trainer (me) have 7

[terse pollen]

Unfortunately even being the coolest man alive means nothing when you fight the protagonist

[terse pollen]

legends za more like legends zzzzz

[coarse viper]

ah you are one of them folks

I guess Vollo is up there as far as pokemon villains go but thats not a high bar

[inland crane]

gen 9 fixed that by not having a villain at all 😭

[coarse viper]

i mean better than the Chairman

a bit sad but yea

[inland crane]

post game was better at least

look we look absolutely ridicilous and we are heirs

[terse pollen]

He's not terribly well written but I like the bullshit he pulls on you in his fight

[unkempt egret]

yea gen 9 had one of two professors that are only kinda alluded to in one of the 3 plots

[terse pollen]

Gen 8 borderline didn't have one either

I think the writers are trying to move away from actual "evil" teams

[unkempt egret]

followed by pecharunt followed by ||Az's backup plan that got forgotten about for 3k years oops||

[coarse viper]

personally i don't really care about the postgame in my overall enjoyment cuz postgame is usually a swipe through everything that breathes

i care more about the main game and the journey through it imo

[inland crane]

nah there clearly was one even though it was bad

Bede and Macro corp was actively there

[unkempt egret]

yea postgame used to be battle facilities but gen 9 realized that interest in it waned heavily after we could now run multiple save files on the switch lol

[terse pollen]

Bede was more "misguided" and turned kind of good halfway through the game

[inland crane]

nah

[terse pollen]

And Rose was also trying to solve a problem and was painted as not really a villain even if he could've done that thing any other day

[unkempt egret]

got PINK'ed into redemption

[terse pollen]

True

[inland crane]

I think even last battle with Bede was intended by Rose

to gain more time

[coarse viper]

it will definetly been better if they made the problem more..current

trying to solve a problem so far in to the future kinda brought that motivation in the mud

[unkempt egret]

also yea it feels like swish had an idea in mind of "there's a challenge now go" which is fine but also forgot it had to shove ruby/sapphire's plot trope list in like the previous 4 gens and only realized it at the very end

[coarse viper]

not like Pokemon villains and their motivations have ever been that great really

but still

[terse pollen]

"There's a problem in 1000 years, so I'm going to solve that problem by causing the apocalypse at the worst time possible for some reason"

The writing for the games just generally isn't that good

[inland crane]

yo look some dumb grunt->everything you knew and loved will burn. this world have been diseased. I will change everything.->repeat->yo tower is angry

[coarse viper]

Generic power hungry mob boss
Simps
Dumb adults that can't tell colors apart
Nihilistic jackass
er... hur hur power
Genocide
Psychopaths

[unkempt egret]

the writing I feel works best when it's a premise and stuff just happens

since any plot that tries to happen will end up being secondary (or just influential at best) to the one the player's coming up with in their head lol

[inland crane]

pokemon have always been targeted to kiddos anyway

[coarse viper]

yep

and still are

[unkempt egret]

and works strongest in the context of "aged 5-10"

ninendo series I usually say are for all ages but pokemon really is just best for children rofl

[inland crane]

and you could have had anime writing too. 2 idiots chase you for years that actually is less than a year to catch your pokemon

[coarse viper]

i play them just to vibe imo

[terse pollen]

You can make any villain sound stupid when you describe them that way, but I agree to some extent

[terse pollen]

A game targeted towards kids can still have good writing

Like a kids show being high quality

[inland crane]

name one

[terse pollen]

It's just that The Pokemon Company wants to play it really safe

[unkempt egret]

"dude wants more" or "dude wants less" sums up most plots

[terse pollen]

Legends of Zelda: Breath of the Wild is the first one I can think of, very cartoony and aimed at kids, but still somewhat mature and has good characters and writing

[coarse viper]

Lusamine in the games was just straight up a psycho if i recall
sure there is some nuances to Guzma but in the end his methods come in as mindless violence
Lysandre goal is tldr genocide sure Legend ZA makes that region better but overall it suffered from the lack of attention it had

N is straight up the better part of Gen 5

[inland crane]

also botw is rated 10 to 15 depending on country

pokemon have always been at 0-10 range

[coarse viper]

and most of Cirus dialogue can be summed up as Nihilism sure there is some complexity in his wording but in the end that's what he is

[unkempt egret]

SM lusamine is very much "this is what you (fans) look like in an in-universe context, look how much you're scarring this family"

[terse pollen]

Oh guess you're right and we can't have good writing ever

[unkempt egret]

though people liked that and get upset when pokemon was like "wait that wasn't our intent"

[terse pollen]

Took you a while to come up with a pretty bad argument, it's ok to admit you're just wrong

[inland crane]

defund eglin airbase

[coarse viper]

man it ain't that deep its a game not everything needs a complex story

[unkempt egret]

heckin off topic but I looked outside and legit diamond dust out there

[coarse viper]

keeping things simple works too

[unkempt egret]

isn't the 29th one of the days for that?

I feel like for plot depth it's very much a case-by-case basis

like some genres generally live and die on their writing while others can focus more on other aspects and still be fine and good

[coarse viper]

also most people just play pokemon for the gameplay then complain in double battles

[inland crane]

crowned sword zacian please i need this

[coarse viper]

yey gave my Regi earthquake again

all i gotta do is not fuck up this attempt too

aand i fucked it up

god damn t

[coarse viper]

well it ain't a shiny but i got one of the Regi brothers

[broken temple]

iv upgrade too

[sweet crypt]

Even ignoring that they can't tell colours apart, they're also stupid enough to only realise that flooding the world/removing all water is a bad idea when it's actually happening

Instead of y'know

Using common sense

[coarse viper]

and even then only one of them does it xD

Archie needed a bit more time

[coarse viper]

@broken temple Pokerogue is alive or something
i keep getting send in the badlands and such where only rock and steel types reside in, for my mono normal run!

5 times in a row is wild

[broken temple]

pokerouge is listening

[unkempt egret]

maybe try to find a map in earlygame? unless it's a different rogue game

[coarse viper]

I did .. And my options were temple ruin or space

Theeen from space to mountain

For some reason

[sweet crypt]

Triple Kick existing as a signature move at the same time as Triple Axel still pisses me off

Both have strong offensive types that gain this strength from hitting a ton of types for SE, though a lot of types resist them

Both have 90% accuracy and hit 3 times with 3 accuracy checks, with each hit doubling in power

Except one has a max of fucking 60 BP

And it's the signature move of the shitmon

[unkempt egret]

I was gonna say triple kick not getting buffed when Taxel did was a choice lol

[sweet crypt]

Like literally just buff it to 20 BP

[unkempt egret]

especially since yea it's hitmontop, even if it was 120 180 base power hitmontop still wants to do other things (generally being sewage runoff quality version of incineroar in doubles lol) than use it

[sweet crypt]

Heck, make it 25 BP, it's not like a 175 BP move would make it broken

[unkempt egret]

also shoutouts to the fact that you can't even buff it in gen 3 hacks since apparently its base power is hard-coded to the move effect (I think beat up has the same thing going on? I forget)

[sweet crypt]

Well I guess it does have Technician so it probably would

[unkempt egret]

to the point where in the plando I think I just yeeted it for another move

[sweet crypt]

Actually, would it?

I mean, it is a Hitmontop

[unkempt egret]

kinda giving me GO flying press vibes on pikachu lol

[sweet crypt]

Who's to say having a 212.5 BP move would make it good?

[unkempt egret]

where it had something like an obscene damage because even on pikachu it's still far from usable

then they had to nerf it to a still very high but not overwhelming statline because something actually good got it (hawlucha)

[sweet crypt]

I wonder how high you could make Triple Kick's BP without making Hitmontop broken

Do you think you could go to 30?

[unkempt egret]

I feel like that could be a neat idea to apply to a lot of other mons lol

just "how good would X signature move/ability be to make this mon actually relevant"

[sweet crypt]

Overall 210 BP, 255 with Technician

[unkempt egret]

ignoring ones where the move is just inherently irrelevant just on the effect alone like Teatime or Magic Powder

actually hang on that latter has me thinking

[sweet crypt]

But Hitmontop still has merely 95 Attack, 70 Speed and kinda mid bulk

[unkempt egret]

dang it

thought it worked like Forest's Curse instead of Soak

was gonna say it'd be really funny to give it to an actually fast mon to just slap a pursuit weakness onto something in nat dex but I dunno who would be able to do that

actually that might be better since you just got rid of their STAB in that case

[sweet crypt]

2HKOs Leftovers Dondozo 32.8% of the time if Adamant

[unkempt egret]

I forget does anything actually use soak or is it too much of a time commitment to do that manually

[sweet crypt]

But once again

Triple Kick is the only move you have that does respectable damage

Because you have 95 fucking Attack

And you're still slow and somewhat frail

[unkempt egret]

rofl my brain just came up with the idea of "stat inflation" where a 95 on an offensive stat in gen 9 is basically like a 65-70 in gen 4

[frank lily]

This little fella started my day well

[unkempt egret]

nice nice, haven't seen a Sleep shiny in a while sadly

[lavish dune]

GAAAAH DAMN

[dull crow]

oof -attack nature though

guess those arent that hard to change

[smoky gyro]

This looks so much better than the piss yellow groudon-

[terse pollen]

Too bad it's green

[sweet crypt]

Ngl I'm seeing quite a lot of slander for Mega Pidgeot and Alakazam

In terms of strength

Which doesn't make sense to me in the slightest since one is an OU staple in both generations it's in and the other is a contender for biggest improvement upon Mega Evolving, on par with Mega Beedrill in terms of improvement and above it in strength

Like for Mega Alakazam, yeah Magic Guard is an absurdly cracked ability and all

But like

175 SpA 150 Speed

And Trace isn't a bad ability

There's quite a few that can prove their worth like Regenerator to heal potential chip from sources like hazards, Sand Rush to screw over Excadrill, Flash Fire to screw over Heatran and, most hilariously, Magnet Pull to mess with Magnezone should it lock into any move not named Volt Switch

This has also allowed me to realise how FUCKED judging a Pokemon based off usage is

The 5th best Pokemon in OU is UUBL

As is the 8th

And the 11th is only OU by technicality

[unkempt egret]

and this is after someone made them rethink how they did that since I forget was it that they didn't care if a mon actually won or not or was it that people could only use mons so much before they stopped counting them

since from what I remember someone tried to bum-rush a few mons up tiers by usage alone by repeatedly playing as bad as she could so she could get matches done quicker

[sweet crypt]

The 79th ranked Pokemon is OU proper btw

[unkempt egret]

that was all the way back in gen 5 or 6 though so I forget how exactly it went down

also to back up on what you said, trace feels like an ability that can do hysterical things when used properly

but even just buying a turn by say, tracing flash fire from a heatran can swing the momentum in your favor

[sweet crypt]

Tracing Magnet Pull on Scarf HP Fire Magnezone has got to be the most funny shit ever

[unkempt egret]

the trapper becomes the trapped

[sweet crypt]

Anyways Mega Alakazam also has Nasty Plot whenever it returns

Which almost guarantees it won't be seeing OU ever again

Alakazam switches in on your Specs Volcanion Steam Eruption

What do you do now?

Lose, that's what

Even outside of finding LITERAL free Nasty Plots, it can always Plot while scaring out a Pokemon it threatens to kill like Weavile does

I'd also say it sets up on weak Special attackers

But a lot of them run Twave

So it doesn't

[unkempt egret]

pokemon sure has a lot of "give X a free turn? that's a free full-team sweep lol" situations now doesn't it

[sweet crypt]

To be fair, Volcanion is the only time something like this realistically happens

... Or Magnezone

But Magnezone fell off hard

Because nobody in the world is ever using Choiced Heatran

[coarse estuary]

made my first ever legal tcg deck for my first ever real life tcg event this wednesday. im nervcited

[unkempt egret]

nice nice, hope it goes well!

what kind of deck did you make?

[coarse estuary]

i made a deck that revolved around poisoning the opponent or myself along with janine and crobat

[unkempt egret]

nice nice

[coarse estuary]

idk if its any good or not but this is my first ever one ive made that wasnt like a throw together anything i had. i actually made it to follow the current allowed cards since thats what the event requires

[unkempt egret]

which makes sense yea

[coarse estuary]

hopefully its good. it seems good but it also seems like one of those that might be half good but if i get some more of a card or some different cards it can be better but we will see

[coarse viper]

Drain Punch on my Regigigas for once!

finally

[simple quartz]

Tbh I'm curious why they haven't tried making more Eviolite-like items

I feel like Eviolite is inoffensive as far as good item goes (I'm pretty sure in Doubles (the meta that they put competitive stock on even though Pokemon singleplayer has always been a 1v1 still very weird choice to be so VGC focused like that but whatever)) so idk

I suppose there's a lot of NFE mons with busted amounts of Attack/Speed that would go over the moon if an Eviolite equivalent is released but still

[coarse viper]

fusion between god and Regigigas is lowkey goated

alright imma just pivot to my Meloetta

[broken temple]

imagine if it was ghost

[coarse viper]

yeah i didn't have a ghost type when i had the splicer sadly

[broken temple]

eh it still should be fine for a casual run

[coarse viper]

i died because Rival had a grass type and ya know

look at the terrain

[broken temple]

just kill the grass type

[coarse viper]

switched to Meloetta now lets see how far can i get

[coarse viper]

@broken temple Lets go!

[broken temple]

nice

[coarse viper]

i got a scope item that allowed Meloetta to hit an opponent twice with the same move xD

at the cost of reduced damage sure...exceept i also landed 2 scarfs and wide lens

[broken temple]

those are pretty good for moves that have secondy effects

like stat reduction or statues

[sweet crypt]

I typically like Multi Lens when using moves with secondary effects or a Pokemon that isn't strong enough to OHKO Mega Rayquaza anyways

Which, given how I typically only do runs of Pokemon which I think will perform excellently, is exceedingly rare

Also wait that's Multi Lens not Scope Lens

It'd be so funny if Pokerogue allowed you to keep items like Razor Fang after using it to evolve Pokemon

[coarse viper]

yeah i had multi lens too

[sweet crypt]

Though not really for Razor Fang

More so for Razor Claw

Because Scope Lens only has a max stack of 1 but if you add the Razor Claw on top of that and then get a Dire Hit, now every single attack you use is a crit

[coarse viper]

well hellooo there lil guy

the colours are so peak

[terse pollen]

The littlest guy

[quasi dagger]

random evolutions is hilarious

[untold hill]

lmao

[broken temple]

god i used to do these super randomizer that randomize evolutions abilities and learnsets
and give all trainers a 50% level boost
it was super fun to do

just looking for broken combos

[upbeat root]

PokePathTD is so fun

[broken temple]

so true

[coarse viper]

yep

[upbeat root]

I have been trying to make a fossil and poison team work

[broken temple]

fossil team is very good for the earlier maps

i used them plenty

[upbeat root]

Hmmm

[broken temple]

armaldo can do insane damage
cradily is good speed control
and ditto counts for the total fossils

[upbeat root]

Ditto counts?

[broken temple]

ye

if he transformed into a fossil mon that is

[upbeat root]

Good to know, I've been trying to clear with fossil

I have 5 fossils but none can get past wave 50 on 2-2

[broken temple]

out of all the fossils ramphardos and kabutops seem to be the weakest or clankiest to use

[upbeat root]

Rampardos does suck yes

[broken temple]

even with his unique item he still does not deal enough damage

[upbeat root]

Yeah he's too slow do so anything

[broken temple]

a max armaldo has a 75% chance to crit get a ditto to copy him and both deal insane aoe damage with the ricochet

[coarse viper]

yeaaa i can't find any of the mons loll

[broken temple]

i been lookin too

nothin so far

maybe its like stakata and its very hard to find

ill just grind money for now on one of the earlier maps

i want to use megas in my attempts on the new maps

also

theres map effects now

thats kinda cool

found it in the settings

[coarse viper]

ooo Ancient sword is now a thing

[broken temple]

o?

[coarse viper]

Ancient Sword
Increases power and reduces recharge time by 20%. Must be held by Aegislash Sword Forme.

[broken temple]

Thats exactly what aegislash needed to be great

im going to grind money on this map with this set up for a good few hours hoping it will be enough

[coarse viper]

reee i clicked everywhere on the maps

[broken temple]

im like 95% sure its some fuckery like chatot or stakataka

I FIGURED IT OUT

you have to pick challanges to unlock stuff

[coarse viper]

ah

i see

yeah eggs are also there

dang

given that the maps got reworked it is a nice way to renew the challenge of the game

[broken temple]

i think ill tackle those once i get some megas

so my grind contiunes

[coarse viper]

i got my Clawitzer from my draft so i am all good

[broken temple]

also i think they changed the amulat coin

it wasnt tied to stars before

so the spinda strat is less effective

[coarse viper]

that's how it was when i used it on spinda too tho

[broken temple]

i swear it wasnt like that

[coarse viper]

it was

[broken temple]

im tweakin

[coarse viper]

ik cause i used that a lot

[broken temple]

ig its time to bench spinda

[near cosmos]

Anyone got a Escavalier they can trade me on Pokemon shield (non shiny)

[broken temple]

so i tried one of the challange mods in pokepath
and well
the boss was different

honestly didnt expect it

[coarse viper]

i am trying with 5 at the same time to get the reward

got only to 91

[broken temple]

i tried one with 3 modifiers one of them being permadeath

i got to wave 100 with 1 hp missing but didnt have enough to beat a boss

i feel like for stages without an armored boss the armor buffs are not that bad
since theres so many good mons for armor break

[vagrant birch]

hey guys!
I need your help, would bastiodon or archeops better for this team? (just assume that the herdier is not here)

(and it's a nuzlock btw)

[terse pollen]

You already have a flying type, and to be honest Archeops is not very good, I would go with Bastiodon

[vagrant birch]

alright, thx you

might help with flying and fairy type too

[terse pollen]

Happy to help

[vagrant birch]

thx a lot once again