Mid B tier sounds about right
#other-pokemon-games
sweet crypt
sweet crypt
If you're one of the rare Crabominable enjoyers, you'll be pleased to know that it actually has its uses
The majority of the fanbase on the other hand probably wishes it was useless but ignore them
sweet crypt
Sinnoh E4
Funnily Flint was the easiest because of Water Bubble Jet Punch OHKOing his entire team
lavish dune
ETERNATUS STOLE MY MULTI LENS OH SHIIIIT
sweet crypt
If there is one thing I will say against Crabominable
There's not much reason to just use Araquanid instead
Since most of the gameplay has been spam Jet Punch, and Araquanid does that far better, having barely anything stand in the way of its STAB Water Bubble Tinted Lens Jet Punches even before it uses Swords Dance
Alright, Cynthia time
lavish dune
yeaaaah baby
sweet crypt
Oh dear god
I just realised
I'm in a desert
I'm facing Sand Rush Sand Force Mega Garchomp
Managed to land a Curse on it with Mega Sableye
It's down
I was forced to Tera Steel on Crab so I couldn't have just used it
sweet crypt
Managed to 1v1 Rival with Tera Steel Crab
I'm not too concerned about Eternatus seeing I have 50 million berries, a Baton, Shift Gear Mega Metagross, Quiver Dance Tapu Fini, Curse/Topsy Turvy Prankster Sableye and Crabominable who can probably tank 1 of any hit
And a Master Ball if it actually is unwinnable
Ok Crabominable kinda just shat on Eternatus
Remember when I said mid B tier
Uhh
High B tier
Regigigas in Legendary Up 💔
Guess I'm rolling on Move Up
I should start saving stuff up since halloween is soon and there may be a shiny up event
lavish dune
not even 1 t1 shiny bruh T_T
:(
i wouldve fucked so hard with any of those shinies
except likitounge
pain
i... will take that
sweet crypt
Doing a Dwebble run rn
lavish dune
nifty
lavish dune
Doing a Dwebble run rn
best of luck
sweet crypt
I should bring Enamorus on a run specifically to unlock Contrary soon
Of course one of the like 7 lines that resist my current coverage on Crustle is on the rival's team
Why wouldn't it
Managed to live through horrible RNG
That's a good sign
If a Pokemon is able to overcome horrid RNG it's usually a good sign for how good the Pokemon is
Found an error in Pokerogue
Mighty Cleave is a contact move in Pokerogue
Which is wrong
It is a non-contact move
I could tell because I got burnt by Magmortar Flame Body after eviscerating it
Looking into this, multiple sources seem to disagree on if Mighty Cleave is contact or not
And the best way to find out is to test it myself so I'm gonna check on SV real quick
sweet crypt
30 fucking minutes to find a proper place to test omfg
I had to find a wild bulky Rock resist, switcheroo a Sticky Barb and then get Iron Boulder in and Mighty Cleave without dying
Keep in mind that a lot of the bulkier Rock resists are Ground types
And hit me for SE
Gooey doesn't work if the Pokemon is KOd, Wild Aftermath is not in Violet
But I can confirm that Mighty Cleave does make contact after way too much time testing
I definitely remember that it used to not make contact on Showdown, but checking now, it is listed as a contact move
And PokemonDB also currently lists it as a contact move
Which makes me wonder if it not making contact was some sort of coding oversight in older versions of the game
"Damn, Blizzard froze my Garchomp"
...
"Hold up, how did my Garchomp take less than half from a Blizzard?"
sweet crypt
Had to use Garchomp for 165 Maxie
But apart from that, so far Crustle has been sweeping everything
There isn't much that outspeeds Crustle after a Shell Smash
So far, I've been outsped by Weavile and Sand Rush Excadrill
But that's it
And the former poses 0 threat
Sturdy mainly gets procced vs Special Attackers is what I'm noticing
Makes sense, Crustle is specially frail
Kofu was a breeze
He is a Water trainer but he leads with Pyukumuku
So unless you have less HP than it does, it poses 0 threat
And since I'm using Shell Smash Crustle, Kofu as a whole poses 0 threat too
Sea cycle, I now have the rain boosting my Crabhammers
Nice
Crustle almost got cooked by Iris' Haxorus proccing Focus Band
But apart from that 180-190 is Crustle Sweep
That's 195 rival swept
But I won't push my luck vs Eternatus
Crustle's main problem is special attackers
Eternatus is a special attacker
Overall?
Probably low-mid A tier tbh
nimble coral
what other fan games would anyone recomend
unkempt egret
Gooey doesn't work if the Pokemon is KOd, Wild Aftermath is not in Violet
I'm assuming rough skin/iron barbs arent in either?
warm rose
sweet crypt
I'm assuming rough skin/iron barbs arent in either?
Rough Skin is only on Garchomp as a HA, and Iron Barbs isn't in, yes
lavish dune
Well, even if I didn't get any shinies out of these eggs, I did get my coveted registeel, is good.
unkempt oxide
Finally beat radical red
sweet crypt
Finally beat radical red<:Despair:850468339955924993>
I like how of the 4 Pokemon we see, 3 are Grass types
Genuinely I didn't see Wake at first and thought your first clear was Mono Grass
unkempt oxide
I like how of the 4 Pokemon we see, 3 are Grass types
Sceptile is random ferothorn is goat she Make me win
sweet crypt
The last time I've played RR was like, before SV was even out I think?
sweet crypt
Sceptile is random ferothorn is goat she Make me win
FerroGOAT doing FerroGOAT things
sweet crypt
The last time I've played RR was like, before SV was even out I think?
But yeah I don't like how the Champion literally just
Has an Ubers team
And you do not
It's ridiculously uneven in terms of power
Where your Pokemon are on average incomprehensibly worse
Also EV training was inconvenient
unkempt oxide
Pokemon unbound its really good?
sweet crypt
I like EVs but EV Training SUCKS
That is why if I look into playing a fangame my first thought is to check if there's an easier way to EV train
Or, if you're based like Elite Redux, remove the part where you're actually training altogether
I love ER it doesn't hesitate making everything ridiculously broken
And everything includes you
narrow pine
ER is a completely different game altogether honestly
Although I hated the mass culling of movesets 2.5 did
unkempt egret
unbound sets you up with a training shop early yea
narrow pine
I don’t remember its been a while
unkempt egret
mariomon gives power items but it does still take a bit there
wild ore
Crying on the inside rn
I forgot to revive my infernape now I’m stuck on wave 180 against the kalos grass gym leader
With a blood moon ursaluuna and. A g max kingler
unkempt egret
o you might be hosed there
kinda like when I almost lost one because I forgot to heal PP
sweet crypt
My favourite example is with OU Mega Banette
Where it was like
"Please just use Ceruledge instead"
Where Ceruledge is ranked at like C-
unkempt egret
and ceruledge's is "...why are you not using gholdengo or dragapult for ghost stuffs"
actually I recall dragapult's physical ghost options being bad so not sure
and pecharunt who I keep forgetting is actually OU and not BL rofl
vagrant tusk
Ive been playing BDSP if anyone else plays and has a scyther with a metal coat id like to trade my scyther with metal coat to get scizor.
wild ore
o you _might_ be hosed there
It’s the fucking craydilly
Kingler punches with marshmellows even tho it has tough claws and 500 attack
And literally
The route that I use earth power/moon blast
Body slam always paras me
And vacuum wave gets healed by enigma berry
I’m genuinely so fucked
All because I forgot to heal my infernape
Bro I’m genuinely sad because I got so lucky in this run with mega gengar and mega swampert g max kingler and blood moon ursaluna just to basically lose it because of one single mistake
But I don’t wanna just delete the run because there still might be a way to win but
Every route that I’ve tried that kills cradilly makes me still lose bc ursaluna always gets para
FUCK MAN
modern oar
Bro I’m genuinely sad because I got so lucky in this run with mega gengar and me...
That happens a lot in rougelikes.
I've had it happen several times before.
wild ore
It’s that there’s no way to win
Even if I Tera normal ursaluna always gets para and dies later on if I use my strong moves
modern oar
There are times like that where you literally can't win.
wild ore
And apparently kingler punches with marshmellows
🙁
I was literally so close to the elite 4
modern oar
I have had that happen before.
wild ore
Actually it’s not the truth
I was confident that ursaluna could solo so I didn’t revive infernape so I could save money:(
But I was wrong
My own arrogance ruined my run
modern oar
I have the issue of being too cautious and wasting my money early.
modern oar
I don't know how I managed to get this far anyway.
wild ore
Like bro
modern oar
If you don't know, that's the first run of my current save.
modern oar
Red stripe basculin
Just was for fun.
wild ore
Ursaluna can’t deal enough dmg to cradilly
modern oar
I mostly used it to have a free switch-in.
terse pollen
That's smart
I want to use White Stripe Basculin someday but the only one I have is female and male has better stats
modern oar
I initially had a Ledian in the slot that Basculin was in, but I never really used it for anything.
terse pollen
Makes sense
wild ore
Literally the best I can do
Also apparently +4 metal claw doesn’t ohko
What the fuck
@sweet crypt are you able to get me out of this hell hole
terse pollen
That is one tanky Cradily
wild ore
I’m trying every possible thing at this point
Like I’m gonna try and get wormadam to nerf its special attack to the ground
Then try to spam swords dance
IT HAS FIERY DANCE?
WHAT THE FUCK
I got to +4 on kingler against wormadam but
My ass is not ohko ing trevenat
🙁
Ursaluna can’t even outspend so it dies too
This is literally impossible
wild ore
Well apparently even after -4 leaf storm
Sigh lemme just show
Oh
So
Apparently
The resisted crab hammer ohkos
Jumppkuff still outspends and kills me though
🙁
modern oar
Jumppkuff still outspends and kills me though
There probably is no way out with the mons you have sadly. I can't think of a way out at least, so wait until Latios can tell you if there is a way out of that situation.
wild ore
https://tenor.com/view/dobby-harry-potter-crazy-going-crazy-freak-out-gif-233598...
My exact state rn
unkempt egret
ROFL
if you bonk etern with one hit of a multi-lens attack the next two hits go into phase 2
lurantis + multi lens = very silly
noble zealot
252+ Atk Tera Steel Shuckle Gyro Ball (150 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Tera Fairy Arcanine: 216-254 (67.2 - 79.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
solemn laurel
ahem I think we ain’t done yet.
wild ore
*ahem* I think we ain’t done yet.
Ngl should have kept Garchomp normal
Mega Garchomp is actually worse
Speed is really important
And so much of its extra 100 bst is put into special attack for no reason
Just saying
solemn laurel
Meh, didn’t matter to me. Still beat it because Toxapex/Garganacl is a near immovable house with Salt Cure
wild ore
Meh, didn’t matter to me. Still beat it because Toxapex/Garganacl is a near immo...
OH THATS A FUSION?
I was wondering why there was a tiny garganecal
noble zealot
What game is that?
solemn laurel
OH THATS A FUSION?
Yup. Most of the time you don’t do that, however if the stats line up, I do it. Hell I had a Luxray/Staraptor fusion in my first win.
solemn laurel
What game is that?
PokeRogue
noble zealot
Ah.
Never made it to the end of that...
So I never saw the HoF screen. (the furthest I got was 165)
wild ore
Oh yea the team leader is pretty hard
Guzma might be the easiest if you have a good rock attacker
Or a strong attacker with like rock slide
noble zealot
I think in that particular run, it was Team Magma.
wild ore
Darn
Btw
I love how there isn’t one 100% accurate strong rock move
Always 95% accurate and below
Idk why
noble zealot
Even Rock Blast is below 100% accuracy, even though Icicle Spear and Bullet Seed have 100% accuracy.
wild ore
Yea
Speaking of icicle spear
Shell smash skill link cloyster goes crazy with icicle spear
Skill link makes all multi hit moves hit the max amount of times
So icicle spear is a 125 base power move with 100%
Not including stab
unkempt egret
slightly makes sense since those two used to be 10 base power per hit until gen 5 buffed em
also yea the strongest one is power gem at... 80 base power with no secondary effect.
noble zealot
_slightly_ makes sense since those two used to be **10** base power per hit unti...
Which also explains why those moves have 30 PP while Rock Blast has only 10 PP, even though Rock Blast sorely needs the extra PP.
lavish dune
*ahem* I think we ain’t done yet.
mf howd you get 3 megas when i didnt even get 1 in 120 waves
wild ore
Btw kallo
unkempt egret
speaking of both PP and pokerogue there's also Mighty Cleave
wild ore
By any chance do you have hisuan sneasle?
lavish dune
did you steal my fuckin mega stones
noble zealot
By any chance do you have hisuan sneasle?
Did you need one?
unkempt egret
I like how I see a lime rare egg move and I just know that's Tail Glow
solemn laurel
mf howd you get 3 megas when i didnt even get 1 in 120 waves
I only had C level luck too
wild ore
With drain punch its been a beast
noble zealot
Just asking if you have it in pokeoruge
Yes
wild ore
Does it have drain punch?
solemn laurel
Oh yea the team leader is pretty hard
I’ve had to deal with Lusamine TWICE in my wins.
terse pollen
Lusamine is so rough
noble zealot
Lemme check rq
unkempt egret
dang there's a lot of johto mons I wanna use but their rare egg moves are still locked
noble zealot
So far, it just has Psychic Fangs
wild ore
oof
Still good
It’s good without drain punch
But drain punch makes it a demon
But yea
When I first used it I got carried 90% of the run by it
Set up a hone claws or 2 and your set
solemn laurel
Lusamine is so rough
Just need to get lucky with coverage moves and predicting. Closest call I had was I almost lost to Kukui (thank GOD Meowscarada is fast as hell)
wild ore
Just need to get lucky with coverage moves and predicting. Closest call I had wa...
Kuikui watched in fear as the furry gooner bait called Sneasler slaughtered his pokemon
Not to mention it Ohko’d his g max snorlax
solemn laurel
That G-Max Snorlax can be sent to hell for all I care.
wild ore
Although it was +2 attack close combat black belt boosted fighting tera boosted so
Makes sense why it got ohko
Sneasler is really good
unkempt egret
oh
wild ore
With drain punch is even better
unkempt egret
well I'm just gonna use drifloon anyway even if I lack flare boost
wild ore
Ohko’ing something then getting fully healed?
Amazing
Just started a new endless run this is my team
solemn laurel
God I also almost lost the Eternatus fight but thankfully Alakazam is fast.
wild ore
I believe rock head aggron(maybe mega) with head smash will be broken
unkempt egret
tempted to say that's something it actually gets in vanilla lol
but sometimes those are also quite good like my last run with superpower lurantis
vernal geyser
What version is it needed to play fire ash? (Joiplay) And does anyone have the link?
vapid hornet
Chat should I play pokerouge
lavish dune
"let me ask the channel that primarily talks about pokerogue lately if i should play it"
yea its fun, go try it
vapid hornet
Alright.
sweet crypt
<@716584336912154689> are you able to get me out of this hell hole
No because I was sleeping
sweet crypt
I don't know how I managed to get this far anyway.
Very good first run, my first run went to Leon but I did a lot of save scumming during the E4 and Leon was unwinnable even with save scumming
terse pollen
My first run I didn't get to Ivy
lavish dune
My first run I think I lost to second ivy
sweet crypt
Hmm... Do you need 2 SDs to get to Jumpluff?
Preserving HP to tank the Mega Drain may be possible
lavish dune
I only got that far because I was rocking mudkip and pulled a surf TM
sweet crypt
I would also try just going for Blood Moons with Blood Moon Ursaluna
After Tera
BM Ursaluna's ability allows Blood Moon to hit Ghost types
So Trevenant can't prevent you from clicking Blood Moon
lavish dune
"I click kill, fuck you"
sweet crypt
Tbf you probably reset the run already this was like 10 hours ago
sweet crypt
Mega Garchomp is actually worse
I'd agree in normal scenarios, but in Pokerogue, you will outspeed everything anyways after a Dragon Dance, which Pokerogue gives Garchomp via egg moves
There is absolutely 0 important situation where Mega Garchomp gets outsped by a base speed Pokemon after a Dragon Dance where Garchomp would not get outsped
sweet crypt
I like how I see a lime rare egg move and I just know that's Tail Glow
How can you be so sure that it isn't Quiver Dance though
Tbh I prefer Quiver Dance over Tail Glow
Boosting Speed and SpD is so nice
Allows me to set up to +6 on any special attacker that doesn't deal SE damage, and if I have a healing move I can even set up on those
And then I just win because nothing outspeeds me and nothing can tank a move
lavish dune
been luggin around a shiny charm for almost 100 waves at this rate and nothin, hope i get one (that i can catch
sweet crypt
Looks like it's time for the Shuppet run
Will Banette exceed my expectations like Crabominable did or will it be F tier garbage like I expect?
Damn these eggs are amazing
lavish dune
reckon g-max kingler can throw down with the 145/195 rayquaza?
sweet crypt
Shiny Dwebble and rare egg move on Scorbunny, Snorunt and Seel
(Taxel, Blood Moon and Steam Eruption, respectively)
And I even got Scraggy's HA, Intimidate
lavish dune
isnt moxie better tho?
sweet crypt
For a sweeper role, probably
But if I ever need a solid switch-in for types that Scrafty resists, Intimidate would be better
Which funnily enough I needed for this exact run
But I am not about to reset it to put Scraggy on my team lmao
Also I remember Dewgong being a pretty good support
Partially because it's a support that hits hard because iirc it has Water Bubble
Honestly I may do a Dewgong centric run
Water Bubble's a fun ability
sweet crypt
Nasty Plot on Jugulis and Crown
Nice
Wtf someone in Texas is calling me
I don't even live in that continent
Least obvious scam call:
So far Banette is handling early game well
So not F tier
But even D tiers can handle early game well
So it'll come down to how well Banette scales into late game
A Medicham just tried to High Jump Kick my Banette..?
lavish dune
the answer to my kingler question is a resounding yes, dude just got 1-tapped in 145
im excited to use registeel next run
sweet crypt
Oh my fucking god Zinzolin just pulled out a fucking Hisuian Zoroark on my Ghost/Fighting moves using ass
It's a good thing I have more Pokemon than just Bannete or that'd be run over
Literally the only Pokemon I cannot hit for neutral damage
And it shows up
In fact I can't hit it at all
sweet crypt
I may have gotten a few vitamins
Tbh these are probably just similar to a Mega Banette's stats with a normal amount of vitamins anyways
Because no, I do not have Mega Banette yet
sweet crypt
And going off that assumption, I'd say Mega Bannete would be a mid-high A tier mon
With average RNG
Shadow Shield does so much for this Pokemon
Allows you to tank things you really shouldn't be able to
sweet crypt
And Tidy Up means that you're gaining Attack and Speed while you do that
And you can steal stat boosts with Spectral Thief
Combined with Storm Throw, you hit an extreme number of Pokemon for SE, and only 1 fully evolved Pokemon takes less than neutral damage vs you
But for the difficult battles, it'd be RNG based if you can get off more than 1 Tidy Up
And with your speed, that may not be enough
Your Attack is high so most (but not all) things should fall to you with a +1
Though most of the time it will be enough
And sometimes you will even get opportunities to use Tidy Up multiple times
lavish dune
probably the worst possible nature- but neat
smoky gyro
Oof
sweet crypt
probably the worst possible nature- but neat
Fun fact: Your passive with Eternal Floette is Magic Guard
And unless they changed it, that first move is Mind Blown
So you have 150 BP strong Fire Coverage and 140 BP STAB with 0 drawbacks
lavish dune
thats no indirect damage yea?
sweet crypt
thats no indirect damage yea?
Yup
lavish dune
eventually
sweet crypt
Anyways I got Mega Bannete right after sweeping 195
AKA as soon as it stopped being useful to me
Amazing
Thanks game
lavish dune
thats pokerogue
sweet crypt
That said these stats from drug overdose are very funny
lavish dune
my shiny charm hasnt helped yet either if that makes you feel any better?
ive even started using lures just hoping SOMETHING appears
sweet crypt
I might try using it vs Eternatus
I mean
I can steal its stat boosts
It can't be that bad
Ok yeah no I just stole all of its stats and reduced its threat level to 0
Rip bozo
Easy as usual
The 2 main passives I'm waiting on rn are for Iron Hands and Iron Jugulis
As for now though, time for the Entei run
I did an Entei run once
He was a fraud
So let's see if Entei can redeem himself
nimble coral
is pokerouge a rom or a fan game?
sweet crypt
is pokerouge a rom or a fan game?
Browser based fan game
nimble coral
ok thanks
sweet crypt
Yo wait I have a fire idea
I should bring Cherrim as a support for Entei
Because it has Drought as a passive and is a Grass type so it covers the Water matchup very well
And ofc also covers the Rock and Ground matchups
And it has Flower Gift
So during the Eternatus fight I can boost my Attack and SpD
And it can land Sleep Powders and shit on Eternatus
nimble coral
Browser based fan game
where did you download it?
nimble coral
oh
sweet crypt
Yippee blue shiny Shelmet
nimble coral
i chose snivy litten and mudkip
sweet crypt
I have no clue what happened last time I used Entei for me to consider it a fraud
Because ngl
It's kinda demolishing everything rn
High A tier at worst
Cherrim is also filling its role very well
With Orichalcum Pulse and Flower Gift, it has an effective attack equal to Ursaluna's without EVs
(Since ofc Pokerogue doesn't have those)
With EVs its effective Attack stat would be similar to that of Kyurem-Black's
I probably won't do a run centering around it since it still has poor coverage
But on this run its sole purpose is to spam its STABs
Well, STAB
Singular
And it is doing that very well
sweet crypt
Holy shit I just 1v1d Mega Ray with Entei AFTER getting bad RNG AND with it swapping in Turn 1
Yeah I do not understand why Entei was so bad last time
nimble coral
what about trade evo's in pokerouge?
nimble coral
like bouldor
sweet crypt
what about trade evo's in pokerouge?
You will have a chance to get the Linking Cord from L:A from the rewards screen
nimble coral
oh ok
sweet crypt
Spun the wheel again, time for Dracovish run
lavish dune
like you still need a real powerhouse, but otherwise okay
sweet crypt
OHKOd a Ludicolo with Fishious Rend
lavish dune
fesh
sweet crypt
Just normal Dracovish things, y'know?
This is the 3rd Fishious Render that I've used
And the 3rd that is tearing the game apart
They did remove Fishious Rend on Feraligatr though
I mean it isn't a fish
But I will say, I'm relying on Fishious Rend a lot more with Dracovish than Arctovish
And Arctovish here does have Strong Jaw via passive
Dracovish is more capable of setting up though, since it has the superior defensive type
Pokerogue should give Basculin Fishious Rend
It already has 1 hilariously busted move
It'd be funny if it had 2
lavish dune
give spinda moongeist beam
and judgement
I'm getting walled by a gen 9 dragon dude, why does he have two haxorous?
They aren't the problem, but I am confused why he has two
sweet crypt
I'm getting walled by a gen 9 dragon dude, why does he have two haxorous?
All of the E4 members have 1 random Pokemon of their type specialty
Dracovish I'd say is the same tier as Arctovish
Somewhere in A tier
Alright I'm gonna do a Dewgong run
It has Water Bubble so it can't be that bad
Dewgong actually quad resists Fire since it has both Water Bubble and Thick Fat
lavish dune
I didn't realize until showdown, but Snorlax has some BUSTED abilities for PVP. Thick fat and immunity are both awesome
jolly pond
yeah
sweet crypt
Did the Expert Pokemon Breeder just give me a Manaphy Egg?
LMAO I JUST FROZE RAYQUAZA
unkempt egret
late but I think most if not everything in pokerogue that gets Mind Blown also gets magic guard in some capacity since drifloon also has it
sweet crypt
late but I think most if not everything in pokerogue that gets Mind Blown also g...
Blacephalon does too, though tbf it is the original owner of Mind Blown
Anyways uhh
I just solod every major battle in the game with Dewgong
unkempt egret
water bubble go brbrbrb
sweet crypt
There was definitely some save rewinding involved since like 3 battles took more than 1 attempt
But like
Beating 195 in 1 attempt without Tera is pretty damn crazy
unkempt egret
lurantis had some issues but pre-wave 20 multi lens went hard rofl
sweet crypt
I did skip Eternatus with Master Ball since I don't think Dewgong could beat it 1v1 and I did not feel like beating it with Tapu Fini because it's the same shit over and over
If there is one thing I would say, fights were pretty slow
Since Dewgong isn't really about speed, but more so not dying
Glalie run is next
I am a bit concerned since I do need Mega for it to be usable in late game, I think
But like
I can get Nasty Plot Refridgerate Blood Moon
That sounds absolutely crazy and I want it
I'll probably leave it for tomorrow though I did a lot of runs today
smoky gyro
@sweet crypt
sweet crypt
<@716584336912154689>
You probably should've sent Ttar in much sooner
solemn laurel
To whoever at Game Freak designed Pidgeot to be bad unless you have the Mega Evolution, I hope your orange juice is forever pulpy
smoky gyro
To whoever at Game Freak designed Pidgeot to be bad unless you have the Mega Evo...
Mmm I love pulpy orange juices
sweet crypt
To whoever at Game Freak designed Pidgeot to be bad unless you have the Mega Evo...
You say this as if Gamefreak knew what they were doing in terms of balancing back in Gen 1
- Bug/Flying type
- 0 Bug or Flying STAB
I dont think they were balancing tbh I think they were just doing random shit
Scyther does get a Flying move in Yellow though!
Y'know, Wing Attack!
Which uhh
Literally has Peck BP in Gen 1
It
It's a fucking Peck clone
smoky gyro
Hey 40 bp is not bad, thats the same as dual wingbeat /j
unkempt egret
gen 1 they put all of the budget into marketing and was like "we need a game? uuuh frick"
worthy knot
I need some recommendations for pokemon fan games. what do yall got? anything other than pokemon uranium please
rich tundra
what kinda experience you want
worthy knot
ideally I would like something with a new mechanic. I am never fond of pokemon fan games or rom hacks that are just like...gen 3 but with gen 9 pokemon. ya know?
rich tundra
Pokemon Insurgence has delta pokemon
lavish dune
Solid music too
sweet crypt
Hey 40 bp is not bad, thats the same as dual wingbeat /j
35, actually
unkempt egret
which is also the same as its PP amusingly enough
they just never dropped its PP back from when it was still a peck clone
something scyther appreciated in the future
this is random but reminds me of the super sparring thing in gen 8 were branch poke saw serious use on rillaboom
because rillaboom's G-max move ignores base power and it had the highest pp in a mode where pp conservation is very important I think
unkempt egret
that's a... completley random tier 3 shiny in the sinnoh run
good to know I have my starter for the Johto run
terse pollen
good to know I have my starter for the Johto run
How do you find motivation to beat the game with starters you already won with
I only do it for the egg vouchers
unkempt egret
mostly just cleaning up the type/region challenges at this point
got the types done, just need the regions left
terse pollen
Do challenge runs give extra egg vouchers?
unkempt egret
sadly not
terse pollen
Then what's the point 
unkempt egret
the achievents mostly which don't do anything ATM but I like the sense of completion
terse pollen
It's kinda depressing to continue to do classic/challenge runs when you get less and less egg vouchers each time
unkempt egret
ew gross
got The Strong Stuff but both my carry and leafeon get whacked
because the rest of my party isn't evolved yet (or in one case, Beaver)
oh of course gastrodon evolves right after which would have spared drifblim
terse pollen
ok man
frank lily
noble zealot
noble zealot
Another shiny... once again for a useless mon.
terse pollen
If pif taught me anything luvdisc is goated
sweet crypt
If pif taught me anything luvdisc is goated
Time to unlearn, then, since Luvdisc isn't good in Pokerogue and sure as hell isn't good in base Pokemon
And I'm curious as to how it isn't shit in PIF too
You can tell they gave up on making Luvdisc viable and went the support route
terse pollen
It has cool fusions it must be awesome
sweet crypt
But even as a support it isn't good
Because realistically even with Multiscale it'll only ever get up 1 support move
Literally every user of Revival Blessing is more useful for anything apart from clicking Revival Blessing
There's plenty of better Screens Setters if Glitzy Glow is what you're after
And Heart Swap Baton Pass sounds cool for bossed, but Luvdisc will likely only ever get off Heart Swap and not Baton Pass in situations where it matters
And at that point just use Haze or Topsy-Turvy
There's also just better Pokemon if Baton Passing stat boosts is what you want
Heck, fucking Illumise is probably better as a Baton Passer
Sure it can do all of these at once
But like
Delibird is a Spikes Immune Rapid Spinner that can lay its own Spikes
Do you see anyone using it?
dapper stratus
unkempt egret
luvdisc and delibird are basically first stage mons that just doesn't evolve rofl
cloud root
Hello i need a Zarude for my Pokemon home dex i will trade back do not worry
solid geode
Anybody willing to trade me a Koraidon for dex completion? It’s the last Pokemon I need to get the shiny charm
unkempt egret
ok nice to know that if you get thrown into the Space biome from mountain when you're trying to go to Wasteland then you can go back there and try again and still hit the next boss rotation
lavish dune
nifty
unkempt egret
all I can think of that is the monty python & the holy grail bit just
lavish dune
you fool, that is mold himself
unkempt egret
"he who who breaks the mold must answer me these questions three"
lavish dune
he had to flee
mild dirge
I've upgraded the set from choice band outrage because I was walled by any fairy type
behold
statistically speaking from a probability standpoint I have a 1 in 1,371 chance to win every battle
unkempt egret
and now you're walled by both ghosts and anything with sturdy instead
unkempt egret
statistically speaking from a probability standpoint I have a 1 in 1,371 chance ...
this feels like me running into pokemon pocket TCG with just a slugma and two Spurt Fire magcargos
mild dirge
and now you're walled by ~~both~~ ghosts ~~and anything with sturdy~~ instead
I just have to hit a 2nd guillotine
terse pollen
The sheer aura of this image is enough to make a blind man see again
mild dirge
Food $200 Data $150 Rent $800 Guillotines $3,600 Utility $150
someone who is good at the economy please help me budget this. my mold breaker is dying
terse pollen
Spend more on Guillotines
rugged comet
I've upgraded the set from choice band outrage because I was walled by any fairy...
Wouldn't it be better to invest EVs in like defense or health since attacks would be ohko anyways
mild dirge
Wouldn't it be better to invest EVs in like defense or health since attacks woul...
but its not as funny
rugged comet
Also a +speed nature instead of atk
kindred sentinel
did we have bot pokemeow here?
mild dirge
unkempt egret
might have to update my game or somethin, has chikorita's passive as cute charm rather than the more appropriate thick fat that the wiki's giving me
terse pollen
But it's so adorable
rain citrus
Hi, I wanted to know if anyone is still playing Pokemon Violet to trade me a Rowlet or Ossawot. I just started the game, please.
sweet crypt
Glalie run is done, I never got the glalite because Pokerogue hates me
Surprisingly Glalie is only like a low B tier
And not like
D tier
sweet crypt
Ok uhh
Did a run with Zeraora
And holy shit
I could not have seen this coming but Zeraora is unironically an S tier Pokemon
Like sure it is fast, has decent attack and good coverage
But I just assumed it'd struggle for the same reasons Pokemon like Chien-Pao or Weavile would, being its glass cannon archetype
However, I seem to have underestimated Zeraora's bulk
It isn't good but with it only having 1 weakness it's good enough to set up at least once
And as it turns out you only really need to set up once
Tough Claws really helps with damage output since 112 isn't that high
And along with Swords Dance and the Boltbeam coverage of Plasma Fists and Triple Axel, it's quite hard for opponents to stop
Ice is especially important for the 2 most important Pokemon in an average classic run, Mega Rayquaza and Eternatus
I additionally got a lot of bulk increasing vitamins and Leftovers on this run, allowing Zeraora to 1v1 Eternatus
Ice also hits some non guaranteed major roadblocks hard, in Geeta's Miraidon and Nemona's Koraidon
sweet crypt
I additionally got a lot of bulk increasing vitamins and Leftovers on this run, ...
The reason why I mention this is because it certainly isn't something Zeraora will be consistently able to do
Morpeko is getting nerfed soon
So I should queue up a run for it to see what the fuss is about
Since the nerf is Taxel for Ice Spinner
So umm
This is looking like it may end up being a very similar run to Zeraora
Just with a weaker Pokemon
IT HAS MOODY!?
Yup no deserved nerf
Fun fact: You can run Belly Drum + Extreme Speed + Slack Off on Snorlax in Pokerogue
It seems a nerf may be coming its way for reasons I shouldn't need to explain but it hasn't been confirmed yet
A lot of the Day 1 Egg Moves were dogshit
Like
Why the fuck does Frigibax have Freeze Dry
Like bro got a vanilla egg move for the wrong attacking stat
And the rare was DRAGON RUSH LMAOOOOO
Mighty Cleave/Psyblade/Aqua Cutter/Collision Course on Iron Crown 💀
Special attacker btw
Miraidon didn't originally have Rising Voltage
But it still had Ice Beam
And it even gets Calm Mind from it instead of TM
So it's still ridiculously broken
What is THIS
sweet crypt
like generaly
Preferably something fast and/or bulky that hits Dragon for SE
unkempt egret
meanwhile delcatty with heckin V-create as its rare move
ya know if you wanted to use a one-off damaging move that makes you worse every time
didnt it used to be SKETCH before it got nerfed though? I forget
wild ore
Doing a mono steel run
I love the Aron’s t3 shiny
Yea nvm I can’t beat wave 55
My team is less lvled then Ivys starter
:/
lol lvl 5 Sneasler
Bands
@sweet crypt is this w luck?
Srry if ur sleeping or busy
sweet crypt
How
wild ore
Idk
sweet crypt
I can barely get evo items by 100
sweet crypt
And I'd be lucky to get a single Mega Stone per run
sweet crypt
I usually have similar luck levels
And having played at these levels and lower luck levels, let me tell ya
Luck ain't shit
Ultimately your own innate luck is 5000 times more impactful than the luck stat
sweet crypt
Yes
noble zealot
I love Tera normal ambipom lmao
"Toxicity has been automatically detected in this battle"
When did they add that, lol??
unkempt egret
uh-oh
I think I may have just wiped my ENTIRE pokerogue save file trying to fix the cute charm chikorita thing
my actual in-progress runs are still present but my starter list is wiped to what you have when just starting the game
unkempt egret
yea I'm doing a system restore and hoping that helps
rugged comet
it becomes thick fat on evo to bayleef
unkempt egret
someone on the team must have it out for chik since that's basically worthless
unkempt egret
it becomes thick fat on evo to bayleef
...oh.
that would explain a lot
nope, didn't work
well I guess that's the end of me playing pokerogue
sucks that I wasn't given any "hey this will reset your save files" warnings before I did that "download futaba's build" thing
the one positive is that my endless file is still going for some reason
that was one turn in the endless file
rugged comet
sucks that I wasn't given any "hey this will reset your _save_ files" warnings b...
I think its just offline mode, from what I can tell thats offline mode and to have saves from online you would have to transfer them
unkempt egret
yea this file is offline
haven't touched online since the first week I started playing back in 2024
wait hang on
what the heck is this black magic that windows is allowing me to do
apparently the system restore was pointless since I can just revert individual folders back
(only 5 hours but I just made the change less than one hour ago so thankfully that's enough)
alright restored both the main folder and the system folder back
terse pollen
sucks that I wasn't given any "hey this will reset your _save_ files" warnings b...
Maybe you can make a ticket or something? I think there's a subreddit and maybe a discord
Oh nvm you restored it sorry im stupid
unkempt egret
no it still didn't work
right now I'm trying to reset all of appdata and seeing if that helps
unkempt egret
ok there we go The Nuclear Option actually worked, my data is back!
unkempt egret
gonna make sure to export my data before I do anything further
wild ore
THIS SHIT IS SO GAS
unkempt egret
nice nice
wild ore
nice nice
It is nice nice
The black and gold or copper color is so good
YEAAAAA ARCEUS IS MINE
FACK YEAAAA
unkempt egret
a 50/50 shot but it's a nice 50/50
unkempt egret
basically if you do get a legendary egg from that it's a 50% chance of it being the legendary it says
unkempt egret
but it's also twice the legendary rate of the other two since one of those 1/256 slots (?) gets taken by the legendary so now it's 2/256
wild ore
I WANY ARCEUS
mild dirge
this game is taunting me
wild ore
Yo so like
I love how I’ve hit head smash with 85 accuracy 100% this whole run currently
Well I missed like twice
But
Then flamigo misses triple axel like 7 times in another run
ivory linden
what i used to carry for one of my pokerogue runs
didnt make it that far cause i had no strat💔
wild ore
Got mega Aggron but it loses rock head and earth eater in return for filter and the ability that boots rock moves which is way worse
So i deactivated the mega
Another one??????
unkempt egret
yeaaaa rhydon has a similar issue with the same ability when it becomes rhyperior
which is unfortunate since one of its egg moves is Head Smash
wild ore
which is unfortunate since one of its egg moves is Head Smash
Yea it’s better to take no recoil dmg from a move so far has missed only twice
85 accurate bc i have one wide lens btw
Yet flamigos dumbass misses a 95% accurate move
unkempt egret
speaking of "not 100% accurate" shoutout to intentionally botching the wobbuffet minigame since the third prize is a wide lens that chikorita really wants
wild ore
granite trail
Woah, what pokemon game is this?
final peak
Woah, what pokemon game is this?
Pokerogue
granite trail
ah ok thank you
terse pollen
goatgerpon
Damnnnn nice, how'd you get to +6 atk?
lavish dune
he gave it a gun
sweet crypt
Damnnnn nice, how'd you get to +6 atk?
Swords Dance probably
sweet crypt
Doing an Absol run rn
The rival is running Sand Veil Garchomp + Ttar
I swear to god if I lose to this I am gonna crash out
I JUST GOT CRIT TWICE IN A ROW BY A POKEMON AT -6
"Yeah this mon's at -6 and I tank 1 crit so I'm perfectly safe" WRONG
Agonising pain
I JUST GOT CRIT AGAIN???
LITERALLY THE DIRECT NEXT HIT I TAKE AFTER THAT?
Absol really is an omen of bad luck huh
The pokedex was making shit up with that disaster stuff ngl
It is definitely just a very unlucky Pokemon
And has 0 foresight
That's why it isn't Psychic type
Bro I keep getting crit
I have gotten crit so much that I tried to calculate the odds with an online calculator
And it shoved an E in my face
Average LegDrag luck
All of these in a row
Without any high crit rate moves
sweet crypt
Run is done
Managed to get through the rain of crits
Mega Absol is like a mid A tier
And base is like a low-mid B tier
mild dirge
Damnnnn nice, how'd you get to +6 atk?
swords dance
unkempt egret
ok good
so if you find mantyke in a run you don't need to have remoraid in the party to evolve it, just need to have it unlocked as a starter option
which is a great way to go about it because if you catch octillery when you didn't have it before that would count
also off topic but for anyone using ogrepon in gen 9 raids, don't sleep on focus energy! Makes Ivy Cudgel always crit and I don't believe the raid boss can take that buff away
unkempt egret
also I like because of spore this just devolved into a catch-em-mostly run
jolly pond
can someone suggest me what pokemon games I can download for free on laptop
terse pollen
Doing an Absol run rn
Absol is fun to use
Super luck + Sharpness Night Slash fucks shit up
sweet crypt
Absol is fun to use
Only if you don't get crit like 10 or so times in a row
terse pollen
can someone suggest me what pokemon games I can download for free on laptop
Almost all of them but I'm not allowed to tell you how
sweet crypt
Actually agonisingly horrible rng
terse pollen
Unfortunate doesn't begin to describe
sweet crypt
When a number has an E in it you know it's big
jolly pond
Almost all of them but I'm not allowed to tell you how
wait I can play scarlet violet on laptop too? I thought thats switch only
oh my dumbass
jolly pond
whats ds
modern oar
It is a Nintendo handheld which is no longer being made.
civic ferry
I'm doing a Pokemon White randomized run
Except for the starters.
I decided the starters as Bulbasaur, Mudkip, and Chimchar.
And first thing I see
Professor Juniper
With her MinccinoBuizel
...and her minccino's back
fighting a patrat
My first encounter on Route 1: Finneon
A Pokemon that I honestly forgot existed
holy shit my second encounter's swampert
who's next
monferno
nah because i'm getting all 3 of them starters
unkempt egret
oh huh even the endless waves I did got reset back
noble zealot
unkempt egret
oh and then I looked at the moves and ability rofl
me when I find the fraud but I'm bad at spelling
noble zealot
The rest of the team in Black
terse pollen
what
how
noble zealot
PKHeX
kindred sorrel
i am once again Cooking for my region
oh, i caught my personal notes up top
oops
oh well
delicate hollow
Yo it's possible to get shiny eternamisei legend arceuse?
Ya know who?
Shiny enamoarours?
I mean that fourth force of nature legend but as shiny
In legend arceus
And yes it called enamarous
supple basalt
Shiny enamoarours?
Legends and starters are shiny locked
unkempt egret
yea usually unless they're part of the Legendary Parade since gen... 5 or so
except for gen 9 there The Legendary Parade is also shiny locked (for overworld consistency I guess? not sure)
also expanding force is even more EXPLODE MON than fiery wrath was
supple basalt
There are legends not shiny locked in G8's crown tundra DLC if you're willing to do the max raids
Legends that appear in those have a chance of being shiny if you catch them
unkempt egret
same thing with the parades in gen 6 (ORAS's Portals) and gen 7 (USUM's Ultra Wormholes) but not gen 9's Snacks (which are shiny locked)
fathom ridge
Can someone send me an invite to the Pokemon rowe discord?
terse pollen
I wonder why they decided to shiny lock most legendaries
Why did they care if people were soft resetting to get a shiny zekrom or something
unkempt egret
knowing GF it was probably for "overworld consistency" since they became so aggressive about that starting in gen 5 (and GS in colo/XD even if they botched it in the former)
where anything that's shown in the overworld prior to the fight screen is shiny locked
terse pollen
Classic GF and their stupid decision making
unkempt egret
a classic case of gameplay and story clashing (and in this case gameplay lost)
terse pollen
Such a minor and pointless change
supple basalt
You're saying modern gamefreak never makes stupid decisions?
points at them releasing a patch for patching out a item dupe bug (Which I never got to try) instead of releasing a patch for performance issues
unkempt egret
"yes rendering the entire ocean at all times is a core part of the gameplay experience"
unkempt egret
kinda wish pokerogue updated so that if you're doing a generational challenge run they don't offer you type change items where they have no viable mons in (so mega bracelet in gens 7-9 and dynamax band in gens 2-4, 6-7, and 9)
unkempt egret
sounds like a good idea until I remembered this doesn't get STAB on kill beak
seems like those passives I'm missing are... poison jab (?) and... roost.
terse pollen
Tragic
proven geyser
chat any game recommendations other than pokerogue, i've already grinded the heck out of that game
terse pollen
chat any game recommendations other than pokerogue, i've already grinded the hec...
Prismatic Moon is fun but difficult
proven geyser
Prismatic Moon is fun but difficult
it's a romhack right ?
rugged comet
chat any game recommendations other than pokerogue, i've already grinded the hec...
Rejuvenation
proven geyser
Rejuvenation
i've had my eyes on rejuvenation for a while i thought about playing it maybe i'll try it
sweet crypt
also expanding force is even more _EXPLODE MON_ than fiery wrath was
Expanding Force on Tapu Lele is so fucking stupid lmao
sweet crypt
sounds like a good idea until I remembered this doesn't get STAB on kill beak
I think those are Dire Claw and Roost
lavish dune
dapper gull
Not here to step on anyone's toes. if you like gen 9, you don't need to justify it.
;w; I really wish they still made 2D Pokemon games. or at least that the 3D games were enough of a reinvention that I felt like paying full price for that mindblowing next gen experience instead of playing a rom hack
any time I want to play Pokemon, ANY time I have that itch, I'm going to turn to a fan-made experience because the fans create better Pokemon games than GameFreak in 2025.
This is how I've dealt with the series for years. I do at least one Pokemon playthrough a year, and it's always some fangame or rom hack.
Its really been hitting me lately that like, there is a dissonance between what I've thought of as Pokemon for the last near-decade, and what the core consumers of modern Pokemon think of it as.
There's this huge part of me that just thinks like
imagine if the generations weren't handled the way they have been, and instead, after generation 4 or 5, we very rarily got pokemon games, and they were very very good, and worthy additions to that franchise, and every time it happened, it was like a nostalgic throwback, where everybody celebrates a new Pokemon game like they react to Mario or Zelda games.
Cause right now, you might THINK that's how Nintendo fans react to new Pokemon games, but it's really JUST the Pokemon fans who have had their loyalty tested and stuck around.
We COULD be in that timeline, where we get more sparse releases that are of a higher bar for quality, but we're just not. That's not the timeline we got to live through.
The observable effect of the current generational model is that I skip every single release because they aren't reinventing the experience enough for me to think "Ah yes, this 3D Pokemon game will be a distinct and fun experience compared to what I could give myself through a romhack on my 3DS", and then a year or two go by after release, and I start seeing newgen Pokemon species in the romhacks I'm playing, and I get to use them there without ever giving Game Freak a cent.
unkempt egret
I kinda had that mentality with gen 8 for a while just "...huh I do kind of actually like this" but also taking note that it's mostly because I nuzlocke and it's a great nuzlocke game
still with the main series I do wonder sometimes if it's because we haven't really gotten any alternative pokemon games like we used to?
or rather, all of the alternative games are either fully mobile (GO, Masters) or partially mobile (Unite, Cafe remix) and the west isn't nearly as positive on the mobile scene as the east is
I think the last new series before Poketopia that had no mobile tie at all was Detective Pikachu which was back during the 3DS era
proven geyser
;w; I really wish they still made 2D Pokemon games. or at least that the 3D game...
honestly i kinda get you, side rant-i think i need a break from pokemon i feel like everything is so repetitive and the story is good in some games but the dialogue is way too long it's insane that it takes around 10m for the first battle what i enjoy in the game is most of the time is the gameplay it's self not the story. although there are some pokemon games with a good story
unkempt egret
we've gotten a few sequels since then like new snap and the PMD games though
I do also see being burned out though considering the last year before last year (or 2023?) that they took a break on making the games was 2015
as for the story yea a lot of the time it's nice for a first run but on repeat runs any plot will just get in the way of the one the player's coming up with in their head (doubly true for Sun/Moon in particular)
dapper gull
like, a few years ago, it was "i'll just play rom hacks, i'll just stay firmly in that gen 3 era and get to experience gens 4-9 through people hacking those species in"
but the effect of that, without me realizing
has been that for years, i've thought of pokemon as specifically that game
and when i look at gen 9
i just see that game, but with a shiny coat of paint
they're still releasing the same fucking game, but with little incremental upgrades
it could still be 2D pokemon
unkempt egret
yea the gen 3 era in hacking terms has a very nice middle ground between not being a jankfest like gens 1-2 while also having the nice things of gens 4-9
proven geyser
pokemon has so much potential gamefreak just ruins it
dapper gull
and now we dont have a national dex?
fuck that, i'll just play romhacks where i have all 9 gens accessible
unkempt egret
(and not being overdone on gimmicks like gens 6-9... though leave it to hackmakers and fangamers to throw those in anyway rofl)
proven geyser
and now we dont have a national dex?
fuck that, i'll just play romhacks where i...
yeah i played a fan game that had all 9 gens and it was so good
dapper gull
ive played a few, its basically the standard experience i shoot for now
i can just objectively unemotionally observationally say fans make better pokemon games than gamefreak
proven geyser
also this might be a hot take but dynamax is just pokemon but big
dapper gull
we'll be waiting a few years for that to be more of an argument
right now its a simple statement
unkempt egret
but yea with the modern games the only ones I haven't really been a fan of are the BDSP/Legends duo for very different reasons
dapper gull
im just not a fan of any of them
i still see an empty, soulless game when i look at gen 9
they never should have made the jump to 3d if they weren't going to make the environments feel alive
unkempt egret
but yea I've noticed that most western fans soured on the series with XY and soured even more with sword/shield
dapper gull
look at breath of the wild, where all the animals feel like animals
and they have animal behaviour
and you'll see trees with birds in them
look at pokemon snap
where you go in the jungle, and there's aipoms swinging through the trees, and a liepard reclining on a rock
unkempt egret
the japanese I feel have liked it but the west has gotten increasingly tepid to the point where I feel like actually liking any pokemon game past 2019 outside of new snap and legends (and the PMD remake to an extent) is a pretty hot take over here
dapper gull
i want that for pokemon, and i wont buy 3d pokemon if it's not going to be that
i already have 2d pokemon to fill my imagination
if i'm playing 3d pokemon, its robbing my imagination.
i can't imagine what the scene would look like, because they're showing me, and it's lame.
when i'm playing 2d pokemon, my imagination can improve the experience. the fights can be very exciting.
so it better be immersive on its own
and its not
unkempt egret
I'm not gonna grab ZA either but that's more just because the gameplay mechanics don't really interest me
proven geyser
if i'm playing 3d pokemon, its robbing my imagination.
i can't imagine what the ...
i just hope legends za is gonna be more alive
proven geyser
I'm not gonna grab ZA either but that's more just because the gameplay mechanics...
what you mean megas ?
megas are cool
dapper gull
they're still making 2d pokemon games, but they're making them in 3d
they aren't prepared to reinvent the wheel
proven geyser
i know they aren't going to do the thing i just said
yeah probably but you just gotta hope
dapper gull
they'd need to take a total reimagining approach to even think of doing what i suggested
i wont.
unkempt egret
all four of em tbh
proven geyser
all four of em tbh
all four of what ?
unkempt egret
I think my order of "most of a pass" to "least of a pass" is tera <- megas <- Z-moves <- Dynamax but I'd still very much like em without
dapper gull
i'll expect absolutely fucking nothing, not get disappointed when they release exactly what i expected, keep playing fanmade pokemon games, accept matter-of-factly that the fans DO just make better games than gamefreak, and MAYBE one day gamefreak surprises me. MAYBE.
unkempt egret
tera at least is fun to make boss fights or gimmick runs on
proven geyser
I think my order of "most of a pass" to "least of a pass" is tera <- megas <- Z-...
i would change megas and tera
unkempt egret
but yea pokemon has 0 incentive to change so I'm not expecting it to, it's very much a "you go with and take what you're given or you realize you've outgrown the series and hop off" and both options are good
dapper gull
lmao
proven geyser
but yea pokemon has 0 incentive to change so I'm not expecting it to, it's very ...
the fans are just gonna buy the games either way so they have absolutely no reason to make it better
dapper gull
no, the former is not good
monetarily supporting game freak is in no way good
we're not justifying this for them
unkempt egret
I mean for some people it's not good but silent majority says otherwise
proven geyser
monetarily supporting game freak is in no way good
i just "ahm" the games
dapper gull
Nintendo is NEVER going to make a better game than Pokemon Unbound
unkempt egret
also pokemon do be far more than just the games to the point where the actual console games are borderline vestigal at this point between the mobile game profits and the TCG (and the anime to an extent)
dapper gull
and you can say that's an unfair comparison, but it's really fucking not
I will hold that game up as my golden example, and every new generation they release needs to be compared to it
unkempt egret
you sound upset about it
dapper gull
Gamefreak can throw their games at the wall and watch them bounce off
proven geyser
Nintendo is NEVER going to make a better game than Pokemon Unbound
i wanna play unbound but i'm too lazy because it's a romhack
unkempt egret
also I dunno I'd rather not have my E4 just go "hope you have a ground type? no? perish"
dapper gull
i wanna play unbound but i'm too lazy because it's a romhack
I don't understand. Do you have a disease that makes you not want to play fanmade content? Or do you just not know how to patch a GBA rom?
proven geyser
also I dunno I'd rather not have my E4 just go "hope you have a ground type? no?...
also the games are WAY too easy i've tried playing the game with no items and on set mode and level caps anything you can think of
unkempt egret
understandable. another thing to tell you that you've outgrown the series
proven geyser
understandable. another thing to tell you that you've outgrown the series
true
unkempt egret
also yea emulators can be dodgy stuff a fair bit of the time
dapper gull
but yea pokemon has 0 incentive to change so I'm not expecting it to, it's very ...
I'm gonna say it upfront.
This sounds like apologism that Game Freak is justified to keep making the games the way they are.
If that's what you meant, you're simply wrong.
proven geyser
also yea emulators can be dodgy stuff a fair bit of the time
i deleted my message because of the rules
dapper gull
With that stated, the conversation can proceed.
proven geyser
With that stated, the conversation can proceed.
damn you're really passionate about this
dapper gull
also yea emulators can be dodgy stuff a fair bit of the time
what does this even mean
"i don't know how to download retroarch help"
"i dont know what visualboy advance is, theyre gonna gib me a birus"
XDDDD
unkempt egret
I'm gonna say it upfront.
This sounds like apologism that Game Freak is justifie...
I mean GF really isn't going to ever change, so I don't see the point you're making beyond "GF is bad and you're bad for not thinking they're bad"
proven geyser
trying to keep my pc safe is not a crime 💔
dapper gull
say "i dont emulate very often" without saying it
unkempt egret
I mean I would say you don't emulate often (or just haven't updated in a while) if you're still using visualboy advance over MGBA rofl
dapper gull
I mean GF really isn't going to ever change, so I don't see the point you're mak...
I KNOW you don't see my point. I made it pretty clearly in my opening message though.
dapper gull
trying to keep my pc safe is not a crime 💔
You're stupid if you think downloading Retroarch is going to give you a virus
unkempt egret
it's not that I don't see the point it's that I don't agree with it
proven geyser
You're stupid if you think downloading Retroarch is going to give you a virus
no need to be so rude
unkempt egret
and we can agree to disagree but that's coming increasingly discouraged nowadays sadly
dapper gull
genuine fullstop statement
dapper gull
it's not that I don't _see_ the point it's that I don't _agree_ with it
No, you DO agree. You AGREED with my point immediately. You DON'T GET my point, you clearly think I'm saying something completely different
I WILL attempt to restate it for your understanding in good faith, but if you reject what I'm about to say, then this is just an internet flamewar and its beneath me
GameFreak can be doing MORE. 3D Pokemon CAN (objectively) be more of a reinvention than it is. I have absolutely NO REASON to buy a 3D 2025 Pokemon game when I can get an objectively superior experience from a fangame.
That says a LOT. No, that can't be argued, that's just our unfortunate reality.
unkempt egret
it can but I personally don't think it ever will, and the "no reason" point is where I disagree
dapper gull
You might not UNDERSTAND why this is a rock solid argument, because I'm not spending 30 minutes fleshing out every single thing I think about it, but rest assured, I'm not saying it like some dumbass
this is a take I've cooked to complete perfect temperature in my brain oven
unkempt egret
which is fair but yea I don't think you need to drag others through the mud about it
dapper gull
it _can_ but I personally don't think it ever will, and the "no reason" point is...
We don't disagree. They WILL never reinvent.
Or at least, they will INCREMENTALLY do so. Tiny little upgrades every generation, until a few generations down the line, it KIND of feels different, due to the aggregate improvements of like, 5 prior generations.
unkempt egret
we had enough of that mud-slinging in 2019 during the dexit era and there's a reason why I cut ties with most of my other poke-friends over it
civic ferry
Rate my current X/Y team
unkempt egret
Rate my current X/Y team
looks pretty good so far
civic ferry
looks pretty good so far
thanks
just got badge 2
although i should probably find the move deleter...
dapper gull
which is fair but yea I don't think you need to drag others through the mud abou...
Saying "I don't wanna download an emulator because I don't want a virus" is telling everyone in the room you're just not the type of person who emulates.
It's embarrassing for the person saying it, because anyone who has ever emulated a single time knows how utterly baseless the concept of just, fucking, getting a virus from an emulator is.
unkempt egret
I wasn't thinking of the emulators I was thinking more of the roms themselves, probably should have clarified that
and not because "virus" and more because "crime"
dapper gull
Are you gonna seek out an emulator that nobody fucking uses, just because you REALLY want a virus? XD
Gonna go to the 10th page of google and download some shit from 2010, genius?
you wanna rob yourself of an experience you could be having, go ahead
but millions of people emulate every day
That is all I have to say about that.