other-pokemon-games

[unkempt egret]

since duraludon is like... only available at level 50+ in both gens?

[sweet crypt]

Vivillon also has Quiver Dance and Compound Eyes Sleep Powder

[unkempt egret]

that's actually kinda why I liked using Stonjourner in gen 9 who has special bulk on par with like uuuuh

[sweet crypt]

Giving it an actual niche in AG of all places

Duraludon unfortunately has 0 niche in AG

[unkempt egret]

cetoddle is like better

[sweet crypt]

And evidently Gamefreak was so disappointed in Duraludon that it got an evolution 1 generation afterwards

[unkempt egret]

but having it available in gen 9 at level 20 instead of level 50+ means I got to try it out against physical things

then again I'm still kinda sad that they removed the silliest stonjourner tech which was Wonder Room

[sweet crypt]

Archaludon still has bad special bulk but it actually has serviceable other stats

And a cracked signature move

So it actually does stuff

Oh, and a great ability

Duraludon has less special bulk than infamously specially frail Iron Valiant

[unkempt egret]

actually in a pokerogue context what does duraludon even get

core enforcer/body press/recover and steelmerang (special)

OH RIGHT I forgot it's heckin abilities are just light metal/heavy metal/mediocre doubles only ability

that explains a lot about it's situation lmao

[sweet crypt]

Tf do you mean steelmerang

[unkempt egret]

trachyon cutter?

spelling might have escaped me

[sweet crypt]

I think it does get Tachyon Cutter as the rare egg move, can't remember for sure

Duraludon's main purpose is to be evolved into Archaludon

It's as simple as that

There's also the Dmax form in Pokerogue I guess

[unkempt egret]

like heavy metal might legit be up there with early bird and leaf guard for one of the most ass abilities that's not intended to be bad

[sweet crypt]

Or gmax

Same thing really

[unkempt egret]

though leaf guard at least picked up an okay niche in gen 9's tera raid battles so I dunno there

[sweet crypt]

Does actually have better stats than Archaludon it seems

Well

It does have a worse ability

[unkempt egret]

I forget how many thresholds heavy/light metal even change on the mons that get it because I recall it's overall not many and heavy actually hurts in a lot of cases because you're taking more damage from low kick

[sweet crypt]

Lightning Rod doesn't hold a candle to Stamina on a Steel/Dragon type

[unkempt egret]

and stalwart means nothing if redirection isn't in play

[sweet crypt]

Wait

Can Gmax Duraludon use Eviolite in Pokerogue?

If so it may be better than Arch

[unkempt egret]

I think they patched that sadly

mostly because I think pikachu's G-max could run both eviolite and a light ball?

[sweet crypt]

Oh, it can't anymore?

Makes sense

Though I will say, Mega Latios can use Soul Dew in the mainline games

Assuming you hacked it on, of course

[unkempt egret]

shame I have two other runs I need to finish otherwise I'd be tempted to do a nuzlocke run of Swish or Scarrvy with a pool of 80-120 mons that people consider bad rofl

I know my last run of the latter was a 430 BST and below run which had snover do a fair bit of work

I know I also had a pure rando run using H-avalugg that had to pass on it at a few points because so many things had fighting coverage

[solemn laurel]

For the record, did fuse them, something about an Electric/Flying type that has only the best fighting type move as coverage for both types it’s weak to is something else.

[lavish dune]

My 3ds died and I got no idea if I saved

My ass is not grinding ledyba to level 7 again

This mf learns tackle, supersonic, and swift

And that's it until level 12 I think

Where it gets LIGHT SCREEN and REFLECT

I NEED GUST YOU SHIT

[unkempt egret]

alright so 3x multi lens and ancientpower is hilairous

also ran into a blue shiny grumpig which was nice

[sweet crypt]

Gambling
Bottom text

[terse pollen]

https://tenor.com/view/lets-go-gambling-gif-3937562841362806777

[unkempt egret]

hmm

does garbodor get any steel moves other than metal claw?

[sweet crypt]

Ngl the old Nintendo games being coded on nothing but hopes and dreams is kinda cool

Because you get to see all these wacky glitches all over the place

RBY is probably the most infamous when it comes to this

Missingno exists

Hyper Beam is one of the best moves in the game

Boosting or lowering stats is a glitch

Focus Energy doesn't work

Ghost just doesn't work vs Psychic

All Crash damage only does 1 HP worth of damage

So many glitches

That it becomes iconic to RBY and its gameplay

You can't play RBY and not encounter at least like 10 different glitches

Heck, if you miss a move, there's a small chance it was a glitch

Well, unless you missed a 100% accurate move, then you can guarantee that it was a glitch

[sweet crypt]

Getting defrosted in multiplayer desyncs the game

[sweet crypt]

It's almost amazing how many glitches are packed into RBY

Including the fact that Giga Drain works on Substitute

Yes, I'm serious

Giga Drain working on Substitute is a glitch

Well, not Giga Drain

Mega Drain

But you get the idea

But yeah the fact that Mega Drain is not intended to work on Substitute yet does is an amazing way to summarise RBY

Terrible at removing glitches, and even worse at balancing

It's got a sort of charm to it

[unkempt egret]

also neat seeing how much of it was adjusted in stadium and how much of it was accepted

heck from what I recall I think it took smogon something like +20 years to find out about a gen 1 mechanic

...because it was in one of the in-game guides in stadium 2 I think?

[sweet crypt]

The funniest thing they did in Stadium was "fix" the 1/256 glitch

[unkempt egret]

I think it was the "pokemon can't be status'ed by a move that shares their type" or something which made normal types immune to body slam paralysis?

[sweet crypt]

... by making it use the same, flawed calculation again, replacing it with the 1/65536 glitch

If you ever miss a 100% accurate move in Stadium, just remember that it was a 1/65536 chance

[unkempt egret]

I like how I just mentally assumed that means you rolled the 1/256 check twice in a row to get the 1/65536 chance

which is probably correct, just slapped a second 1/256 check behind the first

[sweet crypt]

Yeah that's what it does

Just checks it twice

[unkempt egret]

has to make sure your pokemon's naughty or nice

[sweet crypt]

I wonder what Competitive RBY looks like without glitches

No more Hyper Beam

No more Normal types being immune to Body Slam Para

Gengar can now run Lick to do 10% to Jynx

Focus Energy is now basically a guaranteed crit on all moves

Stuff like that

[arctic pasture]

anyone got any ideas on what this gen 5 bird is

this is its evo if thats helpful

[rugged comet]

ducklett and swanna, or something like that

[arctic pasture]

thank you

if anyone can help can you give the names of the grey pokemon

[rugged comet]

exploud, ilumise, wynaut

[terse pollen]

musharna, Druddigon

Also Palpitoad

[main rune]

Delcatty

[tight granite]

Loudred. Delcatty, Iluminse, Wynaut, Musharna, Venipede,Palpitoad, Druddigon

[arctic pasture]

thank you so much im 3 pokemon off of naming all of them

[rugged comet]

exploud*, loudred is 2nd stage

[tight granite]

ye

i dunno why i typed loudred

[sweet crypt]

Why are Venipede and Palpitoad in the wrong order

[tight granite]

because i saw venipede first

[terse pollen]

Very nice

[terse pollen]

Man Galarian Articuno is kind of lame

[unkempt egret]

meanwhile my mono flying run decided to have its carry be... minior.

[terse pollen]

Fucking Minior?

[unkempt egret]

I'm pretty sure this will go terribly but like mono normal I at least have noctowl in the wings (pun)

[terse pollen]

I still haven't done any mono type runs

Or any nuzlocke runs

They sound really difficult

[terse pollen]

Is Noctowl any good? I thought it was a pretty bad pokemon

[unkempt egret]

in pokerogue it's pretty absurd once you get its unlocks

take heart + aeriate boomburst ("boomburst + -ate" is a pretty common egg move combo for a lot of flying/fairy/ice/electric types now that I think about it) and aeroblast if you don't have the custom (or wanna use boomburst as a normal move)

(tbh even in main series noctowl is still okay for in-game stuffs, it's just very different from every other regional bird)

[terse pollen]

Oh awesome

I guess a lot of pokemon can be good once you get their unlocks

[smoky gyro]

Sticky Webs is the strongest harzard ever and you can't convince me otherwise

[narrow pine]

Decided to replay Solar Light and Lunar Dark since its been a while since my last playthrough

[devout crag]

tarterro is very familiar

wonder why

[narrow pine]

Whatever could you mean?

[devout crag]

oh

he doesnt wanna trow hands clearly

nothing wrong with kakuna

oh.

[lean vapor]

Ah yes kakuna's signature move, thousand arrows

[devout crag]

very much

twneedle? whats that

[lean vapor]

I don't know why it's so obnoxious about it's torque procedures

But hey it exists

[devout crag]

ig

anyways

starly lwk heavy sweeper

thanks?

[narrow pine]

A Ghost/Bug and a Pure Grass up against a poison gym this is gonna totally go well

[devout crag]

yo

[devout crag]

i dont see what could go wrong

the demon showed up to my save file

[narrow pine]

I won

[devout crag]

dang

[smoky gyro]

What is that pelipper why is it red

Pelis shiny is green-

[devout crag]

red shiny

[smoky gyro]

Is it not?

[devout crag]

pokerouge has like

3 different shinies for every pokemon

[smoky gyro]

I see

[devout crag]

a green one red one a blue one

they improve luck

[smoky gyro]

Green is the canon one

[unkempt egret]

not every pokemon but some of them

[devout crag]

red is objectivily cooler

[devout crag]

mb

[smoky gyro]

Fair its just a bit uncanny to see cause Im so used to the green one

The puke green one

[unkempt egret]

if you don't like a specific shiny you can change between the variants and keep the highest overall luck

[smoky gyro]

They definitely fixed gengar and garchomps shiny right?

[devout crag]

no idea

didnt find them

[smoky gyro]

Id be baffled if they didnt

Just yoink mega gengars shiny and copy paste it on normal gengar

[solemn laurel]

Why did that second Lusamine battle on 165 have to be a massive heart attack? If her Milotic used Water Pulse like a responsible trainer I was finished.

[unkempt egret]

tempted to say that's exactly what they did yea

usually most "bad" standard shinies were improved in some way (some of the changes I disagree with like espeon's but that's another matter)

[smoky gyro]

Id be surprised if they didnt

Its such an easy change cause you dont even need to design anything

[unkempt egret]

not quite copypasted but close

garchomp's kinda leans on what gible lost on evo

meanwhile rip espeon

[smoky gyro]

Pink garchomp is kinda cute ngl

[smoky gyro]

Tbh thats good

[unkempt egret]

I think the mega is still pink

[smoky gyro]

Espeons normal shiny is hideous

[unkempt egret]

I much prefer the neon over that paleness

[smoky gyro]

The blue and gold ones both look really good

I dont like bright neon shinies

[unkempt egret]

for me it depends but espeon just works for me

[smoky gyro]

What about glaceon and leafeon

Those are subtle but I actually kinda like them

[unkempt egret]

those two are fine ish, leafeon's works better in 3D than as a sprite if that sounds odd

there's a few other shinies I'm like that with such as galvantula

[smoky gyro]

Dont know galvantulas shiny from memory

[unkempt egret]

the blue becomes darker from what I recall

good thing the page is still open

[smoky gyro]

Oooh the blue one is NICE

[inland crane]

espeon, coppereon, espeon, leafeon

[high tiger]

How do you change the colors ?

[wild ore]

SUPER EARLY TOO

[modern oar]

That last one is NOT Leafeon.

And you can't tell me otherwise.

[inland crane]

ıdk it is just leafeon without leaves for it for me

[wild ore]

Mega bee drill shall be mine

https://tenor.com/view/dr-stone-senku-anime-anime-boy-cute-anime-boy-gif-14502684956219597811

[modern oar]

For me it is Espeon with faded out Leafeon colors.

[wild ore]

AND IT WILL FINALLY BE GOOD LIKE IT WISHES TO BE

YESS

EVERYONE GETTING CRIT BY ATTACK ORDER

Erm

I thought the picture sent earlier

Did it take that long to load💔

[unkempt egret]

25% of these are tho

dunno why they made leafeon's normal shiny its tier 2 one here

[modern oar]

With the lighting it doesn't look like Leafeon's normal shiny.

From what I see, all of the normal Eeveelution shinies are altered or removed in Pokerogue.

[unkempt egret]

except sylveon and umbreon because of course they wouldn't be touched

[modern oar]

I like Sylveon's shiny, but I don't really like Umbreon's shiny much.

[terse pollen]

Some of the custom shinies seem kinda lame

[sweet crypt]

Some of the custom shinies are just kinda worse than the original ones

And idk how to put this but even the better ones just feel

Off

[terse pollen]

For real

[wild ore]

Holy fuck bro I swear I’ve missed more triple axels then i ever have in this one run

[sweet crypt]

Also the new animated sprites are just bad

[wild ore]

Flamigo just kick the fucking bird

[sweet crypt]

Especially the fucking Iron Treads one, who the fuck made that

[wild ore]

Also look lati

I have 4 pkm who can mega

Tyranitar

Bedroll

Beedrill*

[terse pollen]

The 3d animations are very weird looking

[wild ore]

Venasaur

And alakazam

[terse pollen]

Woah nice Jay

Mega Alakazam is a beast

[sweet crypt]

W btw

[terse pollen]

And Mega Beedrill and Tyranitar will kick mega ass

[wild ore]

Ong

[sweet crypt]

Anyways pro tip: Just don't turn the experimental sprites on

Some sprites just become worse

[wild ore]

I’m hoping the most for beedrill

[sweet crypt]

And some become straight up utter garbage like Iron Treads

[wild ore]

Since 150/145 speed and attack is fucking insane

PLUS WITH FELL STINGER?

[sweet crypt]

Seriously wtf is this lmaooooooo

[wild ore]

Twin

Imagine

+3 attack

On mega beedrill

[sweet crypt]

I'm gonna be real with you I feel like your best option is Mega Alakazam

Same speed as Mega Bee and hits far harder

[wild ore]

Yes ik but I’m hoping the most for beedrill

[sweet crypt]

That said base Alakazam is like

Actually good

And base Bee is not

So Beedrill is probably the better mon to get the mega stone for

[wild ore]

Yea

[terse pollen]

I mean probably just grab the first mega stone you see right

[wild ore]

Watch me get every other stone but beedrill

[terse pollen]

They're not common enough that you'll have to sacrifice one for the other

[sweet crypt]

Ngl I see people saying Beedrill's a sleeper pick and shit but the one time I used it even with Victory Dance it was torture

And I didn't get the mega stone until like 199

[wild ore]

It’s pretty decent early but kinda hard to use late

[sweet crypt]

And at that point Mega Bee is as useful as base Bee

Because it sure as hell isn't doing shit to the final boss

[wild ore]

Attack order and thousand waves don’t do much if you have shitty stats

[sweet crypt]

Also the move is Thousand Arrows, not Thousand Waves

[wild ore]

Yea I forgot mb

[sweet crypt]

Tarrows is the one that hits Flying types

[wild ore]

Yea

[sweet crypt]

Twaves is the one that prevents switching

I just realised that 2 moves could mean Tarrows

[terse pollen]

Thousand arrows sounds cooler

[wild ore]

But I never use it against flying bc it’s neutral and I doubt beedrill will ohko

[sweet crypt]

Since there's Thousand Arrows, the Zygarde move

[terse pollen]

https://tenor.com/view/300-arrows-leonidas-gerard-butler-movie-gif-5492818

[sweet crypt]

And Triple Arrows, Hisuian Decidueye's move

[wild ore]

Flamigo

YOU FUCKING IDIOT JUST KICK THE BIRD JESUS CHRIST

[terse pollen]

It's not stab either so no real reason to use it

[wild ore]

MY GAWD

[sweet crypt]

There is definitely a reason to use it

[wild ore]

Has coverage against rock

[terse pollen]

Yeah but it won't really kill

[sweet crypt]

Beedrill's STABs are just royally fucked vs Steel types

[terse pollen]

If you stay in against rock you'll just die

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-slow-down-jethro-pioneers-gif-5521176

[sweet crypt]

Depends on if you're base Bee or Mega Bee

If you're Mega Bee you could probably OHKO most Rock types

But not all

[wild ore]

Mega bee is a fucking paper nuke

[sweet crypt]

Certainly not all

One of the bigger things with Thousand Arrows is that it hits Flying types

[wild ore]

Yep

[sweet crypt]

Beedrill does get Drill Run

But Drill Run does jack shit vs the main Steel types that Beedrill faces in Competitive

Like tf is Drill Run gonna do vs Celesteela lmfao

[wild ore]

I have like 60 candy for weedle

[sweet crypt]

Tbh Eggs are more important for Beedrill than cost down

Since you really want Victory Dance

[wild ore]

Ik

Bought 2 eggs

Holy fuck

Linoone

Just

Belly drum ext speed sweeped all 6 of Liza’s pkm

[sweet crypt]

Nice

[wild ore]

LINOONE I DIDNT KNOW YOU HAD THAT DAWG IN U???.

[sweet crypt]

Belly Drum can be a massive pain in the ass to set up with Linoone sometimes

Which is why I usually neglect Linoone

[wild ore]

Ph it was also Tera normal’d

Oh*

[sweet crypt]

And against bulky neutral targets or resists, it can fail to OHKO

But it really comes in handy for stuff like Expert Pokemon Breeder

Since usually you're just bringing Linoone for Pickup, so it's always an option

[wild ore]

It’s also a t3 shiny for me

So I get the luck boost too

[sweet crypt]

I have not lost to Expert Pokemon Breeder with Belly Drum Linoone before

Helps that she's using a Tera Fairy Clefable with 0 Fairy moves

That also uses physical attacks

[wild ore]

Liza seeing the long raccoon start drumming it’s belly

Dawg

I’m getting my ass beat by these wave 114 star leaders

I literally can’t do shit

Ofc bro

2nd run in a row destroyed by these fucking teens

I physically can’t win

These fucking fuckers keep miraculously living on 1 ho

Hp

Even if I win there’s still 115

Love how I have to restart now

Fuck you mela

[sweet crypt]

Hey does anyone know if Fairy Aura stacks in Pokerogue?

I know they don't in base Pokemon but Pokerogue changes quite a bit

And Fairy Aura pops up twice for both Pokemon that I have Fairy Aura on

Speaking of Team Star

WTF IVY JUST SELF PROCCED GUTS ON SWELLOW WITH TOXIC VS HATENNA

Well, Hatterene

But like you get what I mean

Atticus vs a Hatterene

Not entirely happy about that

Had to sacrifice Sableye to get the Hatterene sweep, but it's possible

I could've used Garchomp instead but sweeping a Poison trainer with a slow Fairy type is funnier

[terse pollen]

Ivy six billion iq plays

[sweet crypt]

Bro wtf Ramos paralysed me and then I spent like 80% of my turns fully parad

And Hatterene still swept

Fraud alert

[terse pollen]

Unfortunate doesn't begin to describe

[sweet crypt]

NO WAY ESPEON JUST HIT ME WITH THE SYNCHRONISE MAGIC BOUNCED TOXIC

WTF

I had a Lum so I'm fine but still wtf Penny

But like why is everyone styling on Magic Bounce rn bro

The game has basically only given me Proteins and Carboses

That is to say, the 2 worst vitamins for a Hatterene

And the 2 best for a Garchomp

So yeah uh my Garchomp's pretty cracked rn

Ngl I forgot I could get Gmax Hatt

[sweet crypt]

That's that run done, Hatt 1v1d Eternatus

Once I got the Gmax form the run was trivialised, though before that Hatterene's low HP and Speed was a definite issue, though its pretty high defences somewhat alleviated that

[terse pollen]

How did it 1v1 eternatus? Isn't it weak to poison?

[sweet crypt]

Has the bulk to eat Sludge Bombs up while setting up Calm Minds and can heal up damage taken with Recover (egg move)

[terse pollen]

God dayum

G-max mons sure are bulky

[sweet crypt]

It's the same concept as 1v1ing Eternatus with Tapu Fini

Except Fini can also Tera

Doesn't need to but it can

Fini has the added benefit of using Quiver Dance to set up instead

So if you get hit by an unexpected crit, you'll still have a chance to recover back up

[terse pollen]

I see I see

I'm not really good at using bulky mons

Most of my guys die in a hit or two to eternatus most of the time

[sweet crypt]

A lot of the best solos for the game tend to be bulky setup sweepers

[terse pollen]

That makes sense

[sweet crypt]

I mean, Eternamax Eternatus is the epitome of bulk

It doesn't even boost SpD

It just eats Dynamax Cannons for breakfast, lunch and dinner anyways

(Or Eternabeams in Phase 1)

[terse pollen]

Well obviously if you use the strongest pokemon in the game it's strong

[sweet crypt]

You'd think that'd be obvious

But I see some people who think Zacian or Rayquaza are better

Rayquaza in its base form is kinda just

Meh

And Zacian can struggle vs bulky boss Poisons and Steels

Zacian usually can handle them

But sometimes it can't

[terse pollen]

Zacian is cool

[sweet crypt]

Eternamax Eternatus has 0 lose condition

[unkempt egret]

but late but fairies also have the benefit of not caring about OHKO cannon in phase 1

[sweet crypt]

And Eternatus itself is already on par with some of the best carries in the game

[unkempt egret]

so they are not punished for going above level 200

[sweet crypt]

True, but you usually can't go high enough to make a massive difference

On the occasions you can though, it's a brutal one sided stomp

[unkempt egret]

(not that you'll go above level 225 without a lot of candy jars yea rofl)

[sweet crypt]

I could see Zacian being considered the 2nd best carry

[unkempt egret]

actually even 210 is probably not feasible without the jars

[sweet crypt]

It's plausible

[terse pollen]

Zacian is cooler than Eternatus so it's better

[sweet crypt]

Idk, giant apocalypse dragon alien is pretty cool

[terse pollen]

It's kind of ugly though

[sweet crypt]

I respectfully disagree

Zacian also doesn't have an amazing MU into Eternatus unless you can overlevel a ton

[terse pollen]

MU?

[sweet crypt]

Since it's weak to Sludge Bomb in base and Flamethrower in Crowned

[sweet crypt]

Matchup

[terse pollen]

Oh yeah

[sweet crypt]

I think in this scenario you'd probably want to stay in base form

And utilise a Tera Type like Ground

[terse pollen]

Makes sense

[sweet crypt]

It's a bit strange that Zacian Crowned cannot Terastalise in Pokerogue

I know that all the other forms can't

But Zacian Crowned is canonically able to Terastalise

Like in game

[terse pollen]

Maybe the devs thought it would be too strong or something?

I don't know but it sounds stupid

[sweet crypt]

That is the reason for the Megas and Gmaxes being incapable of Tera, and probably the same for Zacian

[unkempt egret]

tbh on the tera bit I mostly end up blowing my tera on floor 195 anyway I think the last run was the first one I had it for Eternatus and I still don't think I used it rofl

[sweet crypt]

Though from a gameplay perspective, only the Mega and Gmaxes being incapable of Tera makes sense

[solemn laurel]

After many heart attacks, this team just understood the assignment. Primarina absolutely tanked the last Cross Poison from EMax Eternatus.

[terse pollen]

Woah nice team my dude

What's with the tiny shiny staraptor though

[solemn laurel]

That is the result of a DNA Splicer. I found it and came to the solution to use a Luxray/Staraptor fusion. Electric-Flying with sky high attack and Close Combat for coverage against both weaknesses of the typing. Oh and Speed Boost for the passive.

[terse pollen]

Wacky

[solemn laurel]

I started out with 5 of the 7. I caught the Primarina and found the Krookodile as I was potentially settling on keeping a Pangoro as the 6th member. So happy I didn’t keep the Pangoro because Moxie sweeping saved me at Lusamine, Wallace and Ivy.

[terse pollen]

Oh yeah Lusamine is rough

[solemn laurel]

The smallest crack in the foundation allowed for Krookodile to save the run. The Necrozma is fucking vile. I was so thankful that it outsped and Crunched it to the shadow realm.

[terse pollen]

Seriously

The audacity to have two ultra beasts + fused necrozma

[solemn laurel]

I was so thankful to get through just that fight. Let alone the wholly unfairness of EMax Eternatus

Thank God for Leech Seed and Meganium’s ability to tank hits lik a mfer

[unkempt egret]

oh hello there DNA splicers

"I have won, but at no cost!" ~Wario, probably

the real issue is that i forgot if minor gets Rock Slide via level oops

[terse pollen]

It does not

TM only

[unkempt egret]

rip

[terse pollen]

Indeed

[lavish dune]

hes just hangin out

[terse pollen]

He's just a chill guy

[mild dirge]

they've rotted gemini it's so voer

[lavish dune]

he was INVITED, were you??

slugma exists, by default pokemon wins off that

[mild dirge]

its magcargo thats 15000 degrees

[lavish dune]

both

[terse pollen]

Incineroar always wins

[tight granite]

jut fucking use surf

drown those cats

[modern oar]

If I was to play a different Pokemon fangame, which one should I play? I still will play this one, just asking for suggestions.

[lavish dune]

pokerogue, insurgence, and uranium come to mind

[modern oar]

I've played Pokerogue, and the other two are ROM hacks right?

[solemn laurel]

I highly recommend Insurgence. Delta Pokemon, new Mega Evolutions, and a dark as hell story.

[modern oar]

I don't like stories that are that dark.

[lavish dune]

the music is boppin

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-black-big-gif-20472579

[solemn laurel]

…are cults too dark for you?

[solemn laurel]

Remember that Audrey didn’t stab you yet.

[lavish dune]

que

[modern oar]

I have issues with stories that are dark, especially if I have seen/heard of it beforehand.

[solemn laurel]

Dang I’m the only one who’s seen TTar play Insurgence.

[solemn laurel]

Well I won’t go further into detail but I will say that the quality of Insurgence is top notch.

[modern oar]

I watched a little bit of Insurgence, and it seemed fine, just not really for me.

[terse pollen]

Pokemon Prismatic Sun/Moon are really fun but also really difficult

It's like regular USUM but with better pokemon and much higher levels

[modern oar]

Seems like a difficulty ROM hack.

[terse pollen]

Yeah

[modern oar]

I have played Radical Red, but I don't like it much since it is only single battles.

And that makes me more careful when choosing difficulty ROM hacks.

[terse pollen]

Makes sense

There's Pokemon Odyssey, which is harder and built entirely around double battles, but it has a darker story

[modern oar]

I've never heard of Pokemon Odyssey.

[terse pollen]

It's cool

It's kind of open world ish

[unkempt egret]

WHAT

ok so I didn't know that space was an option going from mountain

at the very least seems like I can loop back and try for Wasteland again

[terse pollen]

Must be one tall mountain

[wet stratus]

olympus mons ass mountain

[lavish dune]

https://tenor.com/view/vector-dancing-despicable-me-villain-space-gif-16443826

[rugged comet]

Rejuvenation

[unkempt egret]

heck, lost both rolls on mountain and got shunted into volcano

[modern oar]

I'm looking into it, and I don't think I know much about Rejuvenation.

[rugged comet]

It's got good music, lots of content, regional mons, nice qol things you can activate

Great story

https://www.rebornevo.com/rejuvenation/ for the official download

[rugged comet]

Also some nice qol that you don't even need a code to activate, like a permanent repel thing that changes your encounter rate to the number you set

[modern oar]

The main issues I would have with it, having loaded the game, are the mature humor and strong language.

[rugged comet]

It is a bit of a darker game I will say

[modern oar]

I can tell now, but I might as well play a bit of it.

[sweet crypt]

Neither Insurgence nor Uranium are romhacks I think, I know Insurgence isn't

[modern oar]

Uranium I believe was, but I don't know.

Insurgence isn't a ROM hack, so I'm more okay with it.

[verbal cargo]

does anyone know how to get a safe Heartgold?

[terse pollen]

For every run where you don't get any evolution items

[solemn laurel]

Depends on what Pokemon that’s for

[lavish dune]

i own the game, i just got 0 idea how to put it on my 3ds always myself

[terse pollen]

Vulpix

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-vulpix-cute-bark-gif-15323987

[terse pollen]

Man

It's shiny at least

Shiny Ninetales is very pretty

[rugged comet]

?tag rule6

[ebon pond]

Make sure to follow the #rules!

Rule 6 DISALLOWED CONTENT: Resources to illegal content (ROMs, pirated movies, etc). We are sure that there are ways and means of finding these that do not involve a Pokémon Fan Game discord server.

[rugged comet]

[sweet crypt]

Hey chat, let's say I theoretically wanted to make a tier with only bird Pokemon

And I theoretically have a list of all Pokemon that could possibly be considered as birds

Would y'all be theoretically interested in seeing the theoretical list and perhaps theoretically point out anything I've missed

Or anything I should ban/unban

Just theoretically of course

The theoretical format is NatDex Singles btw

[wet stratus]

Theoretically?
Maybe

[sweet crypt]

List of Pokebirds

Unambiguously Birds

Pidgey line
Spearow line
Psyduck line
Farfetch'd
Galarian Farfetch'd line
Doduo line
Porygon line
Articuno
Galarian Articuno
Galarian Zapdos
Moltres
Galarian Moltres
Hoothoot line
Togetic and Togekiss
Natu line
Murkrow line
Delibird
Skarmory
Torchic line
Tailow line
Wingull
Swablu line
Piplup line
Starly line
Chatot
Pidove line
Sigilyph
Archen line
Ducklett line
Rufflet line (and Hisuian Braviary)
Vullaby line
Tornadus Therian
Fletchling line
Spritzee line
Hawlucha
Rowlet line (and Hisuian Decidueye)
Pikipek line
Oricorio Baile, Sensu and Pa'u
Rookidee line
Cramorant
Eiscue
Quaxly line
Squawkabilly
Wattrel
Bombirdier
Flamigo
Fezandipiti

Ambiguous

Nuzleaf and Shiftry (Based on Tengu, bird yokai)

Banned

Zapdos
Ho-Oh
Lugia
Eon Duo
Yveltal
Oricorio Pom-Pom
Tapu Koko
Kilowattrel
Espathra
Iron Bundle

Potentially Problematic

Pidgeotite (Haha No Guard Hurricane goes brrr)
Blazikenite (It may be weak to most of the tier, but like wtf walls it even when unboosted)
Pelipper (Enables Hurricane Spam)

Kilowattrel being a broken mf is the funniest part of this tier ngl

But like you can see how that'd be the case right

Literally 1 Pokemon can handle it, being Fezandipiti

After analysing the Pokemon here, I've come to the conclusion that Fezandipiti is the GOAT

Other strong Pokemon include Empoleon, Archeops, Corviknight and Skarmory

I think these 5 are the biggest standouts of the fully legal Pokemon

Empoleon and Fezandipiti are interesting where a lot of their weaknesses are disincentivised due to the number of Flying types in the tier

If you're running EQ, it's really only for these 2

And that makes them quite tough to build around

[lavish dune]

Accidentally killed my trainer school encounter in ultra sun by picking the wrong move, and it was a zorua

I'm just gonna restart

[sweet crypt]

I've also taken a look at Ubers

And uhh

[lavish dune]

My ass is not gonna beat the teacher with a litten and a ledyba

[sweet crypt]

Yeah no Koko+Bundle is just the best combo here

Bundle is unironically a potential AG mon

Nothing walls it, nothing outruns it

It gets in and you're in real trouble

[wet stratus]

I'm gonna need some elaboration on why several Legendary Birds are not classified as birds

[unkempt egret]

they're legends

[delicate hollow]

Somebody needs to update Light Platinum (GBA rom hack)

[last dune]

legends or not they are also still birds

[smoky gyro]

How is zapdos not a bird-

You cant tell me you called SIGILYPH a bird and not ZAPDOS

Spritzee too wtf why is aromatisse a bird

Quaquaval also

What is this list

I guess quaquaval is a peacock I forgot peacock existed

[unkempt egret]

trying out Live and this leafeon is on a mission.

(I think they had super bad luck with energy since they conceded the moment terapagos hit the field)

thankfully the only mission I had was "use an attack that requires at least 2 energy" which that counted for

[modern oar]

I haven't played the actual Pokemon TCG.

[unkempt egret]

yea it's been a learning experience

[modern oar]

I would play the actual TCG, but I can't really get cards easily, especially the ones I want.

[modern oar]

Yeah, they probably were having bad energy luck.

[unkempt egret]

also using my points to grab nickit and thievul but they're also in the new pack

thankfully the ones I grabbed don't actually need any dark energy while the new ones do so still good there lol

[modern oar]

I don't know much about TCG live.

[sweet crypt]

It is, but it's banned

[sweet crypt]

The banned tier isn't non Birds, they're bird that I'm not letting near the metagame for being broken

Zapdos would tear this metagame apart

Hell, fucking Kilowattrel tears this metagame apart

This meta is very, very weak to Electric

[terse pollen]

Iron Bundle is what birds truly look like

All birds are government drones

[sweet crypt]

Ice is more manageable

Because you have the Steel birds, Moltres, Fezan and Empoleon

You have the Steel birds and Empoleon for Rock

[terse pollen]

Robot bird

[sweet crypt]

The only Pokemon in this tier that are neutral to Electric are either Fezandipiti, dogshit or weak to Flying

Or, well

Electric types themselves

Pom-Pom is notable for being a fucking menace of a sweeper

That's also capable of healing itself back up with Roost

Fun fact: Oricorio tanks a Reckless Staraptor Double-Edge

Lati twins are quite literally just unwallable

Everything takes over 50% on switch in at best, and most things get OHKOd

That's with Specs

And with Specs it also threatens Trick on the Pokemon switching in

But they could easily run Calm Mind instead

And it'd be equally unstoppable

I dont think I need to explain Ho-Oh, Lugia, Yveltal, Tapu Koko, Espathra or Iron Bundle

[unkempt egret]

so the Not Good line there is uuh, porygon2/Z, altaria, aromatisse, and eiscue.

[sweet crypt]

Iron Bundle, as I said earlier, may unironically be literal AG

P2 I could see being a decent wall in the tier

Though it does seem like Fighting is the 3rd most common type in this tier, only being Flying and Normal

But who tf is gonna be running Fighting types lmao

Everything's a Flying type

[unkempt egret]

yea that's the only one of those four/five I'd actually question

[sweet crypt]

The only relevant Pokemon that Fighting hits is Empoleon

[unkempt egret]

since I remember that eiscue just does not work even if you go in with belly drum

[sweet crypt]

So P2 could use that be cement itself as a strong Pokemon

Idk how good PZ would be without Z Moves

[unkempt egret]

and the other two are self-explanatory

[sweet crypt]

But if Z Moves are allowed it's instantly getting banned

[unkempt egret]

Zomni boost

[sweet crypt]

Mega Altaria is allowed, so Altaria will actually be good here

[sweet crypt]

It's especially evil as Porygon-Z can use Z Conversion to become an Electric type

And I think Boltbeam+Psyshock probably hits the entire tier for SE

[unkempt egret]

which is technically still true but it's a huge momentum sink to do so without the spicy +1 reward

though you are technically getting a +1 special attack for thunderbolt specifically now that I think about it but

[sweet crypt]

Tbolt hits the majority of the tier for SE, Ice Beam covers Mega Altaria and Psyshock hits the Fighting Types and more importantly Fezandipiti. This leaves the only Pokemon that it doesn't hit for SE as Eiscue and Aromatisse

Fezandipiti is also why you'd run Psyshock over Psychic, Fezandipiti is a special wall

I think it may genuinely just OHKO the entire tier apart from Aromattise

[unkempt egret]

and presuming you have steels that hard stop those two (not that it's difficult)

[sweet crypt]

And tf is Aromatisse gonna do to stop you anyways

Besides, barely anyone would even use Aromatisse since Fezandipiti is just Aromatisse but better

Even without Z Moves, P-Z's coverage would definitely prove hard to play around

The mediocre Speed is still more than enough to outspeed a lot of the more relevant Pokemon in the tier

Think Corviknight, Skarmory, Fezandipiti or Empoleon

[inland crane]

needs an aerodactyl or salamance if allowed

[devout crag]

im playing cobblemon with some1 and he killing all of them by hand

[unkempt egret]

"at that point you just go out on the field and punch somebody. maybe we can hurt em" ~them when seeing a wild pokemon, maybe

[devout crag]

he just tried to kill my starter

[unkempt egret]

o

[devout crag]

also hitted growl on my 1hp froakie

he had a bulbasaur

[inland crane]

I wish Pokemon let us do this instead of sending us back to a pokecenter

[devout crag]

he said "i kill only the high level ones" and "its faster"

[devout crag]

wdym

i was talking abt how my friend just ruthlessly killed all the pokemons with an axe

he might have killed a beldum as far as i know

[wet stratus]

Oh I thought that this was purely a discussion about what was or wasn't a bird.
I'm no use for game meta discussion

[sweet crypt]

Aerodactyl is a Pterodactyl and Salamence is a dragon

[tight aurora]

i do that too but i kill the trainer

[devout crag]

im better then him at pvp

[tight aurora]

you should do it too then

[devout crag]

i dont want his bulbasaur to see his trainer on the ground in a pool of blood

with me standing in front of him looking like a serial killer

[unkempt egret]

your fault for installing the blood mod probably

[devout crag]

i dont have it installed

thats what would happen realistically

https://tenor.com/view/bulbasaur-happy-blush-excited-pokemon-gif-24064337

[terse pollen]

ai bulbasaur

[devout crag]

this thing doesnt deserver anything other then happines

[tight aurora]

bulbasaur has the weakest design of the three gen 1 starters, so really how bad would it be yk

now if it were squirtle or charmander it would be different

i love my bald boys

[devout crag]

https://tenor.com/view/itzi-itzali-charizard-pokemon-dance-gif-12618920227391894945

THATS cooler then a plant frog

[tight aurora]

yeah man

look at him go

[devout crag]

hes a

ball

[tight aurora]

again, i dont see how thats bad

[devout crag]

very fat thing

[tight aurora]

AND..?

[devout crag]

all the starters are fat

to be fair

[tight aurora]

yeah have you SEEN what bulbasaur becomes

that mf needs to get lea

lean*

[devout crag]

https://tenor.com/view/ivysaur-pokemon-pokemon-ivysaur-sandwich-eating-gif-16345791740483745043

ye

i never said i liked venosaur

i like ivysaur and venosaur

[tight aurora]

also ivysaur is just a much better version of bulbasaur

[devout crag]

yeah understandable

but bulbasaur just feels

better

[tight aurora]

ivysaur isnt even the best middle evo out of the three wartortle is cooler

[devout crag]

https://tenor.com/view/pmd-pmd-dayfall-wartortle-pikachu-arnold-gif-20353101

sure buddy

hes the one that looks worst maybe

[tight aurora]

D:

[devout crag]

wich isnt really an insult talking about gen 1 starters

its just

less amazing

https://tenor.com/view/bayleef-happy-pokemon-hug-gif-9806012

bayleef is just perfect tho

the design is majestic

[tight aurora]

yeah i agree the grass type middle evos are pretty good

grovyle

[devout crag]

very much

[tight aurora]

uh.. maybe not gen 7 or 8

[devout crag]

NOT quillading and rowlet's evolution

[tight aurora]

oh yeah i forgot that FATASS existed

[devout crag]

not even gonna show quilladin for everyone's eyes pleasure

https://tenor.com/view/dartrix-pok-rowlet-alola-gif-19810143

[tight aurora]

yeah, phiome is majestic compared to that thing

[devout crag]

also this is horrid

[devout crag]

very much

am i the only one that just started liking the lastest starters

like gen 8 gen 9

ive been growing attached to inteleon for some reason

[tight aurora]

i like the spicy crocodile

[devout crag]

the more i look at it the more i like it

[devout crag]

oh yeah

goated

[tight aurora]

sobble was good

middle evo was ehh

inteleon is alright i guess

[devout crag]

https://tenor.com/view/starters-quaxly-fuecoco-sprigatito-pokemon-gif-25834545

ig they didnt really fuck up the starters

[tight aurora]

not a huge fan of the latest starters now that i think about it

[devout crag]

i hated them when it firt came out

now i like them

best one is crocalor tho

[tight aurora]

i think we have enough furrybait though, i still dont really like spirigato

[devout crag]

top 5 mid evos

[tight aurora]

the entire line is good

[devout crag]

they prob made it for that side of the comunity

[tight aurora]

the strongest starters are all furrybait...

[devout crag]

competitive or overall?

def in a competitive

[tight aurora]

incineroar, blaziken (maybe thats debatable if its furrybait), weed cat

yeah i was talking competitive

[devout crag]

blaziken is a chicken under drugs

[tight aurora]

even emboar

[devout crag]

oh yeah

they just wanted to go 3/3 with the fire fighting

[modern oar]

Blaziken is not great in VGC, and Incineroar is an extremely good mon in VGC, but not in singles.

[devout crag]

we never mentioned wich format

[tight aurora]

yeah.. also its still much better than other starters

[modern oar]

Yeah, I know that, but it depends on the format for those two.

[devout crag]

wolfey describes incineroar like hardcore nuzlocke players describe golisopod

that thing tanked a z move in the anime

with its hands

[tight aurora]

why couldnt they make primarina the goat

its so pretty

heck id take decidueye

[devout crag]

i would eviolite my rowlet

https://tenor.com/view/rowlet-pokemon-sun-moon-3ds-gif-21087798

or do like it happened to ash's one

make it eat a ever stone

[tight aurora]

@devout crag this u?

[devout crag]

it makes it go berserker ig

[tight aurora]

idk why i pinged theres only two of us in chat

[devout crag]

lmao

[devout crag]

u got ts rowlet dw

ur immune and super effective against it

[sweet crypt]

just started? Probably, I don't see people changing their opinions on Pokemon often

[tight aurora]

harsh sunlight boosted flare blitz

[sweet crypt]

But overall certainly not

[sweet crypt]

Groudon doesn't get Flare Blitz

[devout crag]

ive seen a lot of them on media jut change on the designs

[sweet crypt]

But it does get Stone Edge and Heat Crash

[tight aurora]

oh heat crash mb

[devout crag]

rowlet toughed it out so u wouldnt feel sad

wait

was it a thing alr

or im tweaking

[tight aurora]

bro is playing pokemon lets go with rowlet

[devout crag]

i mean

i would

[sweet crypt]

It's, to my knowledge, the best Water starter in VGC

And is probably the best starter in Singles, period

[devout crag]

maybe

[sweet crypt]

At least currently

[devout crag]

i use a gliscor team idk what yall talking abt

[tight aurora]

it beats monke?

[modern oar]

It's not used as much in VGC sadly.

[sweet crypt]

I feel like Primarina would do especially good vs Gliscor

[devout crag]

wich monke

[devout crag]

depends

i could just tera normal facade

big fat damage

[sweet crypt]

Gliscor is a bit frail on the special side so it doesn't want to take SE hits from the starter with the highest SpA

[tight aurora]

the musical monkey

[devout crag]

how much speed does primarina have

[sweet crypt]

Grassy Glide nerf and meta changes really hurt Rillaboom

[sweet crypt]

Less than Gliscor

[devout crag]

heres ur answer

[sweet crypt]

But if you don't burn Tera you're getting cooked

[devout crag]

i mean

tera is rarely popped off in my matches

i think some even forget it

[sweet crypt]

And burning Tera on Gliscor isn't great since Ground/Flying is an amazing type

[modern oar]

Primarina is not used much in VGC, at least right now, I don't know if it was used at a different time.

[devout crag]

ice type

[sweet crypt]

So?

[devout crag]

also u get stab on facade

[sweet crypt]

Ground/Flying is still like a top 10 defensive type either ways

[devout crag]

wich is massive with the toxic orb and maybe a sword dance in

[devout crag]

yeah

i dont pop it often

[sweet crypt]

Also using Tera for these conversations is ASS

Because like

[devout crag]

pretty much

[sweet crypt]

OK you Tera Normal your Gliscor?

Fine I'm gonna run Tera Fighting Primarina

[devout crag]

why would u do that

[sweet crypt]

Anyways back to Rillaboom

There's just so many Pokemon that fuck over the Grass type

[devout crag]

i never saw that many rillabooms tbh

[tight aurora]

i guess grassy glide doesnt provide that much utility compared to other terrains

[sweet crypt]

The rise of Pecharunt and Galarian Weezing is especially bad for it

[tight aurora]

not grassy glide grassy surge

[devout crag]

my beloved galarian weezing is rising❤️‍🩹

[sweet crypt]

And it was already struggling with Pokemon like Glowking, Kingambit, Corviknight etc

[modern oar]

Rillaboom was good for Sword and Shield, at least in VGC.

[devout crag]

zacian was good too

[sweet crypt]

Was probably the 2nd best starter in SWSH Singles too

(Pre Nerf Libero Cinderace goes crazy)

[tight aurora]

GF stop making furrybait op

[sweet crypt]

And it's still the best Grass starter

Well, apart from maybe Meowscarada

[modern oar]

Yeah, the type changing abilities are pretty good.

[sweet crypt]

But they're far behind quite a few Water and Fire starters

[modern oar]

I don't think many starters other than Incineroar are used in VGC though.

[sweet crypt]

Well, I say Fire Starters

[unkempt egret]

late but I think I saw some prims on the VGC streams but not many

[sweet crypt]

But like

[modern oar]

At least currently.

[sweet crypt]

Only Cinderace is better than Rillaboom and Meowscarada in Singles when it comes to Fire starters

[unkempt egret]

shoutouts to having an ability just to say "ok sparkling aria's a flavor move it's kinda bad in actual doubles gameplay"

[modern oar]

Okay, but not many starters are used in VGC currently other than Incineroar.

[sweet crypt]

And there's Hamurott and Primarina for Water starters

[unkempt egret]

saw some rillas too

[sweet crypt]

Idk I still see quite a lot of Rillaboom usage

[modern oar]

I don't know, I may just be dumb.

[unkempt egret]

but yea pre gen 6 starters are uuuh

[sweet crypt]

Like I checked the stats a while back and Rillaboom's still like top 15 usage iirc?

Maybe closer to 20 idk

[modern oar]

I guess I am just dumb.

[unkempt egret]

theres a reason why we still call em starters and not "first partners", for the exact reason official made the name change lol

[sweet crypt]

Out of the pre Gen 6 starters, the best one is probably just Blaziken in Singles

[unkempt egret]

though a fair bit less so in gen 7+ where your actual in-game pokemon can be viable with the right works

[sweet crypt]

It's around as good as Meowscarada, Quaquaval and Rillaboom

[unkempt egret]

as opposed to before when you needed an entirely different set of mons for competitive

[tight aurora]

i thought serperior popped off way back when

[sweet crypt]

Remember how the current meta is ultra-hostile to offensive Grass types?

Yeah Serperior gets hit harder than any other Grass type by this

By virtue of having basically 0 coverage

Like tf are you gonna use, Dragon Pulse?

[tight aurora]

yeah i have no confidence serperior survives this meta, im just saying it was a decent starter in its time...

[sweet crypt]

No, you probably aren't, you're probably using SubSeed Leaf Storm with Glare

Or ig maybe Tera Blast Fire or Rock, but Serperior NEEDS Tera to perform at the same level as other sweepers

Otherwise it's kinda just bad

[sweet crypt]

But yeah, Serperior is strong in Gens 6 and 7

Not 5, since it didn't have Contrary at the time

And not 8 because it didn't exist in 8

Probably still like

The 3rd best Grass starter

Since like what else could it be

Chesnaught?

And uhh

Idk Chesnaught

And uhhh

[modern oar]

I don't like Rejuvenation.

[sweet crypt]

Yeah no the ordering is really just Rilla/Meow>Serp>Chesnaught

[tight aurora]

huh chesnaught was better than mega sceptile and mega venusaur?

[sweet crypt]

Mega Sceptile, maybe

[tight aurora]

yeah i can see that

[sweet crypt]

Mega Venusaur, no

However neither exist

So they don't matter

[tight aurora]

wb gmax venusaur

i guess chesnaught wasnt in that gen nvm

[sweet crypt]

If we include Mega Venusaur I'd say it may be the best Grass starter?

[tight aurora]

fr? i didnt know mega venusaur was viable

[sweet crypt]

And Mega Blaziken is just the best Fire Starter and best Starter in general

Followed closely by Mega Zard Y and X

Ig maybe Ash Greninja could be ranked above Zard Y and X?

Idk

Hard to say

Since it doesn't exist in any recent meta

Not even NatDex formats

If Blastoise keeps Shell Smash when Mega Blastoise gets added it would easily be the best Water starter

And really the only Starter that'd be similar in viability is Mega Blaziken

I'm sure I've ranked all the starters in terms of their smogon singles viability before

Iirc Incineroar is somewhere in the middle?

[lavish dune]

new US nuzlocke started, Litten's name is Thunk

[celest light]

Ranking via vgc leaves a pretty obvious set of top 4
Venasaur da drummer monke incin and charizard

Not in order but
Generally

[sweet crypt]

I'm gonna crash out the Shiny Miraidon is competitively optimal

We just got a new reason to hack Pokemon for VGC

Because Shiny Miraidon has 20 Attack IVs, with every other obtainable Miraidon having 31 Attack IVs

Miraidon is a special attacker, you want as little Attack IVs on it as possible

So if you don't live in the specific areas giving out the Shiny Miraidon code, you have 3 options

1: Book a flight to somewhere that does give them out

2: Hack it in

3: Go fuck yourself

This also makes Shiny Miraidon by far the better option over Shiny Koraidon from a practical standpoint

[unkempt egret]

I feel like the situations where that distinction would affect the outcome of a match would be on the same level of encountering a shiny and pokerus on the same wild encounter

I know this is a game about optimization but that one just feels like optimizing for the sake of it imo

since the only things that use it are self-confusion damage and foul play

[sweet crypt]

Perhaps it isn't extremely important, but it's still locking one bit of optimisation behind a stupid fucking region specific time sensitive code giveaway

[unkempt egret]

wouldn't be the first time

[sweet crypt]

It's like locking a shiny behind a region specific time sensitive code giveaway, it isn't exactly mandatory but it's definitely something you want

... Hey, wait a minute

Yeah, no, they're stacking the layers of stupidity with this one

[unkempt egret]

speaking of stacking layers of stupidity groudon mono-ground this is gonna turnout, awful!

good thing I had a tier 3 shiny that also cost 1 (diglett)

[sweet crypt]

Groudon can solo the game mostly consistently

Reason I say mostly is because 2 of its worst fights just so happen to be the 2 most relevant fights

[unkempt egret]

rival also had their starter be a scorbunny so rip them

[sweet crypt]

||Groudon does not perform well vs Mega Rayquaza for obvious reasons, and it usually won't dish out enough damage to kill Eternatus before Eternatus kills it by targeting its below average (for a box art) special bulk||

||With enough vitamins and the Morning Sun egg move though, I would say both fights are possible||

||You mostly want HP Up and Zinc, since the biggest threats are Mega Ray Hurricane and Eternatus Eternabeam/Dmax Cannon||

[unkempt egret]

oddly enough that's the one egg move I do have on this thing lol

[sweet crypt]

||The most dangerous evil team is Aqua if you don't have Primal yet or Rocket/Magma if you do||

||Additionally, if you lack the Sacred Fire egg move, Rose's Gmax Copperajah becomes a serious issue for Pdon especially||

||Tbf Magma is still lethal for Base Groudon due to the Chlorophyll Grass types, Typhlosion outspeeding and threatening Eruption, Groudon and Great Tusk being bulky enough to tank a hit and attack back...||

||Yeah no Magma is kinda just a really bad MU for Groudon||

||Which is pretty funny tbh||

[unkempt egret]

teammmmm

skull.

I don't have that team yet so that just leaves Star and Galactic after this

oh there's the breeder, after I just caught two more mons so it's basically 'your mon faints, choose which one" event

[sweet crypt]

A bit scary since Bug resists Ground but you should be fine

[sweet crypt]

Diglett solos fr

(It's getting cooked)

[unkempt egret]

not with my set up it didn't lol

rhyhorn could have but it was still half health from the capture

[unkempt egret]

oh okay

just turn my clodsire into a Ting Lu I'm pretty sure that's legal

gosh darn it

saw a tier 2 shiny but it was on a trainer

ok I got a heat crash TM

that's not great but that's a physical attack at least

[lavish dune]

My encounter this time- is buneary! I'd have preferred a Caterpie ngl, but literally everything is better than ledyba!

-# though swift might've actually been pretty clutch against the totem duos

[unkempt egret]

wish you luck on the second go-over

[lavish dune]

Last run I didn't lose so much as give up

Killing my trainer school encounter with a misclick, and it being something as valuable as zorua? I just couldnt

[unkempt egret]

understandable

[primal lynx]

like cosmog and sunkern yeah

/J

[lavish dune]

nah this mf doesnt get stab until TWENTY-TWO

[primal lynx]

cosmog doesn't get stab

[lavish dune]

cosmog doesnt evolve into ledian

[primal lynx]

because it can't hold a knife

[lavish dune]

tape it to its forehead

[primal lynx]

good idea

imagine if they did an event

for a cosmog that knows moongeist beam and sunsteel strike

[lavish dune]

and cant evolve into either

[solemn surge]

I need a rom hack for the plane home. Preferably 6+ hours. Any suggestions?

[vagrant birch]

do you speak french?

if so pokemon steam is the best

(fangame)

[solemn surge]

I don't. Only english.

[vagrant birch]

else there's pokemon xenoverse, a huge fangame in english

alright

so pokemon xenoverse, they have a discord

pokemon the gym of mine

[solemn surge]

It's offline too?

[vagrant birch]

yep

[solemn surge]

Perfect I'll check that out thanks!

[vagrant birch]

okay

you can ping me if that doesn't work

[desert coral]

xenoverse is one of my favorites :D have a great time

[smoky gyro]

I just noticed

Why is fire blast 85% but hydro pump is 80%

[unkempt egret]

late about this but Pokemon Viva las Vega/Viva Minus, Super Mariomon, Alte Red (if you're in the mood for something more tricky), Unbound (same as Alte), and GoodRuby/Emerald Seaglass are all good picks

also started a pokerogue run with solrock and the PP concerns are concerning me rofl

[solemn surge]

I've played unbound, one of the best

[unkempt egret]

both egg moves start with 5 PP so I'm struggling for PP ups

[smoky gyro]

They meant Vega minus btw not Viva minus

One of my favorite fangames

Viva Las Vega and Vega minus are both iterations of Vega, base Vega is EXTREMELY grindy

Well not Dark Rising levels of grindy but its still grindy

[solemn surge]

I've got Pokemon reborn ATM. The rest I can't seem to install on my pixel 10. I'll keep looking for another

[smoky gyro]

Its a gba rom hack

[solemn surge]

I'm 1000000% getting inf fusion when I get back to my PC tho.

Oh nice

[unkempt egret]

I've clarified it before but Vega Minus is closer to normal vega in terms of having 151 mons available while Viva las Vega has an expanded pokedex to work with. both are good options to work with though

[smoky gyro]

Ive played neither to completion

I completed base vega though

Had a great time

[unkempt egret]

I forget if I have completed base vega but I'm tempted to say the one time I tried I got taken out by something that's amusingly still there in all 3 versions

[smoky gyro]

Vega's difficulty doesnt really bother me cause I have something else that bothers me more which is ocd-

I full ev train when I get a new mon so by then Im already overleveled

And everything dies

[unkempt egret]

||one fight has a double team swellow which swept me, can't fault the hack for that since swellow just has that in its vanilla level-up movepool||

[smoky gyro]

I have if you count main story, I havent if you count post game

I havent tried that final boss fight yet

[unkempt egret]

yea the true final boss looks like a thing to say the least rofl

[smoky gyro]

Tbh it doesnt sound that bad in paper

Just use ||the defensive ralts 3rd evo|| and baton pass cheese the whole thing

[unkempt egret]

yea there's plenty of counterplay to it I just got unlucky with the team I had lol

haven't had an issue with that fight otherwise

[smoky gyro]

Does tera starstorm hit ghosts?

With tera obviously

[devout crag]

oh

[devout crag]

staraptor so goated he soloed 3 of the 5 pokemons

[devout crag]

fuckass weawile

genesect so underrated tho

hard carry along with staraptor

[terse pollen]

Do Challenge Runs have different ribbons from Classic runs?

Like if I use a pokemon I beat Classic run with will I not get any extra eggs when I use them in Challenge Runs?

[unkempt egret]

only Nuzlocke mode does but I don't think you get extra vouchers for that ribbon

but you do still earn normal ribbons/vouchers in challenge runs

[terse pollen]

Oh that's a bummer

So I basically have no use for a pokemon after I get their ribbon

[unkempt egret]

you can still use them in other runs, especially if they're shiny to boost the luck

then drop em on floor 150+ or fuse em onto something else

[terse pollen]

Idk by floor 150 you're still not gonna find anything as good as your high IV passive unlocked pokemon

[unkempt egret]

right but you typically only use one or two mons in a run for the most part until floor 200