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sweet crypt
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Kingambit is such a scary Pokemon

modern oar
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Tera dark Sucker Punch is a lot, and Sucker Punch is already powerful.

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Kingambit is not used much in VGC anymore.

sweet crypt
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Kingambit reverse sweeps are very much possible

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And Supreme Overlord is exactly why

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People sacrifice their item slots and the ability to switch moves for a 1.5× damage boost

modern oar
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In VGC it isn't as worth spending a team slot that could be used for something better.(I believe it was used in a no legendary Pokemon VGC format, most likely very early on in Scarlet and Violet VGC)

unkempt egret
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makes sense since in VGC that boost is only 1.2x or 1.3x at most, at which point just run Defiant and get double-targeted lol

sweet crypt
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The main thing I know that Singles and VGC share in common is that Calyrex Shadow, Koraidon and Miraidon are menaces to society

modern oar
unkempt egret
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there's a lot of things meant for 4v4 that become wildly overpowered in 6v6 but sometimes you do just go from good to average like with kingambit

modern oar
sweet crypt
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Like, Miraidon singlehandedly made Groudon C tier garbage in Ubers before its ban

unkempt egret
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and by "weak" we mean "flutter mane rofl"

sweet crypt
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And since then it has risen to B+

sweet crypt
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That fucking Paradox I hate

unkempt egret
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turns out that 135/135 offense/speed on a ghost/fairy is a bit much even before the chanxe to raise it further

modern oar
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Flutter Mane is used a lot in VGC, but Incineroar is used the most still.

sweet crypt
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I think Incineroar is probably the biggest difference between VGC and Singles

unkempt egret
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I think the current VGC actually had gholdengo taking #1?

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incin was still top 3 tho

sweet crypt
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Incineroar's like

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RU?

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NU?

modern oar
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Which is the current VGC format?

unkempt egret
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yea it goes from The Perfect Pokemon in doubles to... "okay I guess" in singles

sweet crypt
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It ain't no OU defining threat and has 0 splash in Ubers

unkempt egret
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I forget I'm tempted to say restricted? if I wasn't at work I'd check

modern oar
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It is a restricted format if I remember correctly.

sweet crypt
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But I'm gonna be real it's probably good in VGC for an entirely different reason for it being good in Singles

modern oar
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I think Gholdengo has taken a lower usage than Incineroar, but even if it hasn't, Incineroar is still taking one of the top spots.

unkempt egret
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on the stream it was more "life orb Make it Rain go brbrbrbr"

modern oar
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How recent was that stream you watched?

unkempt egret
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yesterday the VGC regional stream

lavish dune
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put it on mega kangaskhan

modern oar
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Wow, Gholdengo was used a lot.

sweet crypt
lavish dune
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boooo

unkempt egret
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yea it used to be absurdly strong with multi-hit moves so they had to patch it

lavish dune
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ivy has a Carnivine this run. idk if theres anything more and less threatening

sweet crypt
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Ngl Mega Kanga in Pokerogue feels a bit more underwhelming than I would've thought

unkempt egret
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population bomb hitting like 40 times rofl

lavish dune
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mostly because i dotn know what carnivine does anymore

modern oar
unkempt egret
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which still dealt like no damage in endless but did basically have a 100% flinch rate with a king's rock to stall out leech seed/curse/salt cure

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or seismic toss hitting 4 times for your level if you weren't mega kanga (who hit for more I think?)

sweet crypt
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May be because PUP is a move it already had outside of Pokerogue

lavish dune
sweet crypt
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So getting it as an egg move is like

unkempt egret
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so those two got nerfed so the current endless strat is basically just sturdy + comeuppance lol

sweet crypt
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Somewhat disappointing

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And I think it also gets Seismic Toss as an Egg Move in Pokerogue?

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Let me check

unkempt egret
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since past a certain point you don't get past the resistance tokens without a source of fixed damage

sweet crypt
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Yup

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And Covet, which is only for utility

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And Trailblaze for speed

unkempt egret
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I did find a blue shiny though im not sure what it was though because fusion mode

sweet crypt
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It's basically almost exactly vanilla Mega Kangaskhan

lavish dune
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covet pisses me off SO bad early game

unkempt egret
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either solrock or smeargle one of the two

sweet crypt
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While most other Pokemon get ultrabuffed

lavish dune
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fuckin zigzagoon stealing my god damn golden punch

unkempt egret
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yeaaa

sweet crypt
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Even other similarly strong Pokemon get ultrabuffed

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Mega Kangaskhan just doesn't

unkempt egret
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my current endless run was blessed so much by floette being slapped with a butterfree

lavish dune
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immediately used searing shot on any zigzagoon i saw

unkempt egret
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since compo eyes + sleep powder means pokeballs go brbrbrb

lavish dune
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death be upon ye

lavish dune
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does curse work on bosses?

unkempt egret
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it should in pokerogue

mossy wharf
lavish dune
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that checks out

rugged comet
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Oh hey red star shiny golisopod from daily run in pokerogue

unkempt egret
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ooo will check out

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I know a run a day or two ago had a normal shiny swalot in the daily run

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but that one also gives you the Map very early on

rugged comet
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I went from the start to graveyard, to abyss to cave and it was there a few rounds in

lavish dune
rugged comet
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well I finished the run but I can show wimpod red star

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oh right the dex

lavish dune
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hes like one of them neon fish

rugged comet
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my collection grows

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If i'm not mistaken 4/5 were wild shinies, only the mareanie was an egg from what I remember

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or was the wingul also an egg, it might have been

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was going to check my other shinies to see how many I have

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unkempt egret
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I'd have to get home to check

rugged comet
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wait a minute

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how did I manage that

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unkempt egret
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I know I spent a good 15-20 min yesterday marking every mon that has a favorite so it's easier to track

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also "good question"

rugged comet
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its the only uncaught mon that has that

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wild ore
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I THOUGHT IT WAS A URSALUNA?

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rugged comet
unkempt egret
unkempt egret
rugged comet
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maybe?

modern oar
wild ore
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2 of my best guys got ohko by a uxie that I thought was a ursaluna

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Dw I caught it

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Not using it tho

rugged comet
lavish dune
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i just got Iron Moth Revelation dance

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this might be the run

wild ore
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Wait no nvm

rugged comet
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Memory might be coming back

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I think the clown did it

rugged comet
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Not pecharunt

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I have that caught

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lavish dune
rugged comet
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its galar articuno?

lavish dune
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iron moth actually learns some pretty killer moves

wild ore
lavish dune
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is it? its the only legendary that needs to evolve TWICE afaik

wild ore
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Idk

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Sogoleo and Lunala are gud I think

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But

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Why is the giant sun lion not fire type

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In fact it’s weak to fire

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AND

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lunala is a ghost psychic type I think?

lavish dune
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the moon is weak to dark

wild ore
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When it should be ghost dark bc yk

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NIGHT IS DARK?

unkempt egret
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because "Psychic Is A Legendary Type" (GF)

sweet crypt
sweet crypt
sweet crypt
wild ore
sweet crypt
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Lunala is a deity of LIGHT

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How did you get DARK

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From LIGHT

wild ore
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Lunala is the moon one

rugged comet
wild ore
sweet crypt
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Psychic is generally associated with Light

unkempt egret
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"Moon = dark" ~Jay

sweet crypt
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With that said, Moonlight is LITERALLY A FAIRY TYPE MOVE

wild ore
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ITS LITERALLY THE MOON

sweet crypt
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And so is Moonblast

wild ore
sweet crypt
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Robbed of Ghost/Fairy Lunala

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I'm still coping hard about that

wild ore
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Necrozma as dark psychic?

unkempt egret
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I thought it as a "well we don't have a Space/Cosmic type so this is the next best thing"

wild ore
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Since it literally lost all its light

sweet crypt
unkempt egret
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remember that dark type is "evil type" in japan

wild ore
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I meeeean

sweet crypt
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Which yeah a lot of them are signatures

unkempt egret
sweet crypt
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But it also includes Light Screen and probably Reflect too

unkempt egret
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but yea japanese dark is our shadow

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(except in GO where it's shadow in both places)

sweet crypt
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Solgaleo I can see it not being a Fire type

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Since it isn't associated with the heat of the sun, but instead its light

unkempt egret
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and rest and agility for... some reason

rugged comet
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ah yeah there is zarude

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sweet crypt
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And there's nothing really linking the light from the sun with any type

unkempt egret
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morning sun? that could just be a name thing though

sweet crypt
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Ig Solar Beam is kinda a beam of light?

rugged comet
unkempt egret
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actually is that fire or normal hang on

sweet crypt
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Grass/Steel Solgaleo would be kinda fire

sweet crypt
rugged comet
sweet crypt
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It would be kinda Grass/Steel

unkempt egret
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normal

sweet crypt
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And it would really help with Solgaleo's current issue

unkempt egret
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I like how I went to arcanine's pokedex page to check that

sweet crypt
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Of having literally 0 fucking reason to be used over NDM

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Lunala is based and instead does the opposite and outclasses its corresponding Necrozma form

unkempt egret
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with pokemon I've kinda just given up on seeing design stuffs beyond That's The Way They Are unless I'm making a hack and can make all the changes I want lol

sweet crypt
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This is because Lunala is the GOAT

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But that said there is like 0 situation where Lunala likes being a Psychic type

unkempt egret
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but that's almost always just about the first 3 gens unless something silly is going on

sweet crypt
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It does nothing but drag it down

wild ore
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My dumbass forgot that moonblast and moonlight were fairy type moves

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I can’t belive ts

sweet crypt
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Psychic is a fraudulent type and it's even worse when paired with Ghost

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Because like

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What the fuck do you even need the Psychic Type for

wild ore
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That’s 4x weak to dark

sweet crypt
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Ghost handles every matchup that Psychic does while actually being a good type

wild ore
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Ghost and dark literally are 70% the same type

unkempt egret
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I mean moonlight was normal typed in gens 2-5

wild ore
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All that’s different are the defensive side

sweet crypt
unkempt egret
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so fair mistake there but moonblast has been fairy since 2013

sweet crypt
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This is a lot more relevant than it sounds

wild ore
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Yea ik

sweet crypt
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Because Fighting is a relevant type

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And Normal is not

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Making Ghost a lot better offensively

wild ore
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It’s also weak to its self tho

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So it’s risky going ghost vs ghost

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So unless your faster and ohko

sweet crypt
wild ore
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Your gonna take a lot of dmg

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Funny picture I found online

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Zoom zoom

unkempt egret
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I think I said it earlier in the week but current ghost feels a lot like psychic was in gen 1

sweet crypt
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There is 0 Dark type type combo that even comes close to the shit Ghost/Fighting and Ghost/Fairy can do offensively

wild ore
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Bro endless hard

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I make no money💔

unkempt egret
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also keep the babies to Off-Topic please

wild ore
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Ok

sweet crypt
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Tbh Dark may also be weaker defensively but that's a lot more debatable

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And they are very different defensively

wild ore
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One question

sweet crypt
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Oh yeah Dark's also resisted by Fairy

wild ore
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Does gengar learn any good poison moves?

sweet crypt
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So that's another reason why Ghost is just far better offensively

unkempt egret
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it's more just psychic and ghost share weaknesses

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and sludge bomb?

wild ore
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Damn ig I never gave mine that

unkempt egret
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maybe venoshock if you're going a toxic/hex route but

sweet crypt
wild ore
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Bruh

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That’s stupid

sweet crypt
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But it learns Sludge Bomb and Wave via TM

wild ore
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If u don’t get the certain tjis

unkempt egret
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some level ups just be like that

wild ore
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Tms*

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If u don’t use tms then gengar is weak to psychic and ground for no reason

unkempt egret
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gengar feels like it gets less poison each time it evolves rofl

sweet crypt
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Also learns Gunk Shot but it isn't a physical attacker so nobody cares

lavish dune
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sigilyph doesnt get SHIT through level up

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just the basic psychic and flying moves

wild ore
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It actually annoys me that gengar is weak to a type it’s good against

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Psychic

unkempt egret
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tbh I'd be tempted to have gengar just become mono-ghost but

sweet crypt
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Where the only relevant move you get is Shadow Ball

unkempt egret
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I think it took us until pecharunt to get another ghost/poison type

wild ore
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Ik bro

sweet crypt
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They did bro dirty

wild ore
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ONG

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It’s so hard to find good tms

lavish dune
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GIVE ME MEGA SIGILYPH

sweet crypt
wild ore
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So most of the time gengar is just ghost type

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But weak to psychic and ground for 0 reason

unkempt egret
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but yea things like this are why I go That's The Way It Is lol

sweet crypt
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Before Gen 9 Lunala's best damaging Psychic move by level up was like

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Confusion?

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Or was it Psybeam

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I forgot

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Which really says a lot about how little of a Psychic Type Lunala is

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You won't use Psychic moves with your level up movepool

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And you won't use Psychic moves when playing competitively

wild ore
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Bro I remeber when I played my first Pkm game being sword my dumbass tried using tyranitar in the fairy gym

sweet crypt
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It's just there to make you weaker to Ghost and Dark

lavish dune
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mega sigilyph should be a "be not afraid" angel

unkempt egret
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yea I asked you to stop with the babies and I'm just gonna block yall so discord just filters it automatically

wild ore
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But ok

unkempt egret
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so anyway I can see that for mega sig

sweet crypt
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The babies are dead
Bottom text

wild ore
unkempt egret
wild ore
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No ways bro actually block me for a stupid baby picture

lavish dune
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its funny how the most disappointing master ball item is a master ball

lavish dune
wild ore
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These were the pictures btw

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lavish dune
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yea i saw them

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tbh, i dont care for them either, im just worried about their general health

wild ore
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The second one is just a baby close up pretty sure

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And motion blur

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The first one yea I hope it’s ok

unkempt egret
wild ore
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Prolly can’t see this but still saying

lavish dune
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Yeahhhhh

warped blade
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is there anyone in the pokemon empyrean discord by any chance?

carmine plank
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Pif Still in 6.5.1 or it been upraded?

mild dirge
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you need to get a fresh install in #downloads for versions before 6.6.0

carmine plank
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What new

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What is new in 6.6.2

primal lynx
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What is your least favourite change here from the mainline games?

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sweet crypt
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Also I missed this poll lmao

primal lynx
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eh

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nobody cares

sweet crypt
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For me it's probably the powercreep but specifically Gen 9's powercreep

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Gen 8's powercreep I don't mind but Gen 9's is ridiculous

primal lynx
sweet crypt
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With a far worse type

primal lynx
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and gets one shot

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by it

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and has a type disadvantage

sweet crypt
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Mewtwover

unkempt egret
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gen 9's power creep is to the point where I'm wondering why they even have 6v6 singles available as an option in multiplayer anymore rofl

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then again, the PvP has been a mistake since the very start outside of maybe gen 3 on a really good day

primal lynx
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honestly the competitive scene has been power creeping since gen 5

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latios, thundurus, cresselia...

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the list goes on

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and then in gen 6 we got xerneas and the primals

unkempt egret
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even gen 4 to an extent with things like garchomp and the choice specs and whatnot

modern oar
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The gen 5 official format at least was doubles, and that mitigated some of the power creep, but even there, some things were too powerful.

pastel gull
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just as i expected, giovanni was a weak pushover in the rainbow rocket postgame

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i struggled hard with the rest of em, even coming down to spamming rotom HP powers for ||ghetsis||

modern oar
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I've never played most of the Pokemon games.

pastel gull
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I've played most of them, only ones i havent started are B2 + W2

pastel gull
modern oar
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I've only played Red, Blue, Yellow, Crystal, Let's go Eevee, Shield, and Scarlet.

sweet crypt
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Yknow what's funny?

modern oar
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What?

sweet crypt
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Most people only associate Neutralising Gas with G-Weezing and yet usually the first thing I think of when I think of it is Levitate

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Because until very recently in Gen 9 OU, Geezing always ran Levitate

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The entirety of Gen 8 Singles and a vast majority of Gen 9 Singles, it just ran Levitate

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Ofc I still know it does get N-Gas

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But I just think of it as a Levitate mon more than a Neutralising Gas mon

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Also, base Weezing also gets Neutralising Gas

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And while their 3rd abilities are different unlike the 1st and 2nd, their 3rd abilities are also both never ever used over the former 2

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So they basically have the same set of abilities if you look at it hard enough

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The main reason why Geezing is so much better than base Weezing (It was the Neutralising Gas Pokemon that took the OU niche, and it was an excellent Pokemon in RU before its rise while base Weezing is ZU) is because of the Fairy type

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Though funnily enough this Fairy type does make the matchup vs Gholdengo, the main reason why Geezing is used in OU, worse

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The 2 Weezings are also not the only Pokemon that can Defog on Gholdengo, as both Conkeldurr and Hawlucha have the combo of Mold Breaker and Defog that allows them to do so

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Wait nvm Conkeldurr doesn't have Mold Breaker

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Mild misremembering

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Even if it did I guarantee you nobody would use it since Conkeldurr is reliant on Guts

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And Hawlucha is reliant on Unburden

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I mean tbf Conkeldurr does give the vibes of a Pokemon that would have Mold Breaker lmao

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And nobody using anything apart from Guts on it makes it easy to forget its other abilities

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Anyways back to the Weezings, I find it funny how Galarian Weezing has Misty Surge

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Because one of its other Abilities literally removes all the benefits it would have on it

unkempt egret
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speaking of misty surge I forget what meta it was where Tapu Fini ran a useless telepathy just so it could actually use toxic against things without misty surge getting in the way

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probably gen 7 considering I forget if it even gets it in gen 8

sweet crypt
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Idk what you're talking about because I checked every OU meta Fini is in and it always runs Misty Surge

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You have to remember, Misty Surge also protects Fini from Toxic

unkempt egret
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alright did the daily and I didn't see a shiny golisopod

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...or any golisopod for that matter. the biome order was correct though for what it was worth

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that being said bruh you had the option for wasteland and space on wave 40 and you chose cave?

sweet crypt
unkempt egret
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ah

sweet crypt
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The RNG manipulation is very precise here

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There used to be guides uploaded daily for daily runs

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On how to get shinies and good IVs and HAs etc

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Anyways completely unrelated

unkempt egret
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oh and the boss was Unwinnable with my team comp anyway because Xern with a +1 special attack stat

sweet crypt
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But apparently Empoleon is the most broken Pokemon in Unite of all time

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Even more so than release Mega Mewtwo Y

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It feels like every new Pokemon Unite releases is broken

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And it's kinda funny

modern oar
unkempt egret
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seems like one of those games that follows the "release something absurdly broken, let it rampage, then nerf it down to everyone's else's levels" as a cycle

modern oar
unkempt egret
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makes sense

sweet crypt
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Certainly still like a Top 10 Pokemon in Unite

modern oar
sweet crypt
solemn laurel
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Any tips for PokeRogue? I’m running a team of Duraludon, Fuecoco, Shinx and Shiny Starly.

unkempt egret
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that sounds fine so far? I'd say pick either dura or fuecoco and focus on buffing them up, what'd your rival get?

solemn laurel
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I guess my question becomes how do I handle the 110s because that’s usually where my run usually stalls out.

unkempt egret
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getting past wave 115 is tricky yea

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I'd say keep your money decent so you can heal your team after wave 114

solemn laurel
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Gotcha. Yeah it’s tough to find and pick out 2 more team members. Staraptor can be an absolute menace.

modern oar
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I decided to play Pokerogue again.

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And now I need to decide if I want my Eevee to evolve into Vaporeon when I already have Piplup.

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Should I evolve my Eevee into Vaporeon if I already have a Piplup in my party?

unkempt egret
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I'd say maybe wait until another stone?

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unless you're in a mono water challenge in which case yea

modern oar
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I'm not doing mono-water.

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I also got a Dynamax Band before floor 20.

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Without any increase to my luck.

unkempt egret
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I'd actually say pass then because that means Gigantamax eevee's on the table

modern oar
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Could've been a good idea to evolve Eevee into Vaporeon, but I'm going to assume that I can beat this currently without Vaporeon.

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My team has a pretty bad matchup against fire types, but I'm sure I'll be fine.

unkempt egret
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uuuuh pick a starter for mono fighting

modern oar
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What do you mean?

terse pollen
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Torchic

modern oar
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Torchic isn't fighting type I believe.

terse pollen
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Oh yeah

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Iron Valiant

unkempt egret
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torchic is a choice but I'll take valiant

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--> no retreat

terse pollen
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I like Iron Valiant

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It gets No Retreat?

unkempt egret
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Pokerogue's egg moves do... things

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oh dang my shiny luck ballin this time I can slap two tier 3 shinies on this one (Mienfoo and Petilil)

terse pollen
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Woah you have a lot of tier 3s

modern oar
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I actually did unlock Mesprit, Magearna, and a couple other decent mons as starter options.

terse pollen
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I still don't have any

unkempt egret
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also I found out that tier 2 shiny I got last night was a solrock

terse pollen
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How did you only find out now

modern oar
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I've only gotten one shiny so far, and I don't know what tier shiny it is.

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I got it from the shiny boosted eggs since I'm not lucky enough to find a shiny in the wild.

unkempt egret
unkempt egret
terse pollen
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Oh lmao

unkempt egret
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so shinies encountered in spliced mode count as what they're displayed as

terse pollen
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I got a legendary egg from the shiny up yesterday and not only was it shiny it was something I already had 😭

modern oar
unkempt egret
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rip

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oh great the game offered me a rare TM for a mon I can't even use

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I'm gonna see what the game does if I release that mon

terse pollen
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Wdym

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As rewards after a battle?

unkempt egret
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it changed from flare blitz to blizzard rofl

terse pollen
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I see

unkempt egret
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whelp

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rival started with Litten rip

terse pollen
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Is Incineroar hard to deal with?

unkempt egret
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it's mono-fighting rofl

terse pollen
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Oh yeah

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Rip bozo

unkempt egret
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I... guess that's a way to do it?

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dawn stone for hisuian lilligant

sweet crypt
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Though tbh a lot of the Tier 2 and 3 colouration feel

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Messy

unkempt egret
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some tier 1 shinies were also altered (rip espeon)

sweet crypt
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Like if they were coloured in better I'd like a lot more of them but like

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Idk there's just something off

unkempt egret
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or some odd cases like leafeon having a pale white for its default form and its vanilla shiny being its tier 2 one

sweet crypt
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That sounds stupid ngl

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Anyways Incineroar is generally one of the least threatening starters in Pokerogue

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Stats aren't very great, the format for Pokerogue is Singles so Incineroar is in a format it is far weaker in and a massive good trait about it, Intimidate, is a non factor as the starters are set to never have their HAs

terse pollen
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Oh I didn't know that

sweet crypt
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Not entirely sure what the most threatening starter is for the rival to get

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I haven't thought about it much

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Most annoying is definitely Meowscarada for its ability to steal items

unkempt egret
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serperior?

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since the "never has HA" thing

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or does serp get some strong egg moves/passive

sweet crypt
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And its high Speed and Attack with a strong signature move in Flower Trick also is scary

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Though Grass isn't a great type

modern oar
sweet crypt
#

Serperior probably is one of the easiest starters to play against for the rival to get

unkempt egret
#

I'm one of the ones that likes Alien Kitty so it just becoming moss is like "why yall gotta do that"

noble zealot
#

I like how the shiny makes it look radioactive.

sweet crypt
#

Tbh I like Espeon's shiny

noble zealot
#

Contrast puke-green shinies like Machamp or Dragonite.

modern oar
#

I just don't like green shinies that much.

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Some I do like, but most I don't like.

sweet crypt
unkempt egret
#

sadly

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most shinies that aren't primary colored (red/blue/yellow) or black/white tend to get thrown out

sweet crypt
#

I think the only colour of shinies I see get more hate than green ones are pink ones

brisk hedge
#

Anything’s better then shinys that barely change

sweet crypt
modern oar
#

I like the Leafeon shiny.

noble zealot
terse pollen
unkempt egret
#

or in gen 9 where you get shinies that you have a feeling like they would just not have shinies at all if they were allowed to get away with it

unkempt egret
terse pollen
#

Game so rushed even the shinies are bad 😭

unkempt egret
#

gotta put all that money into marketing of course

brisk hedge
sweet crypt
#

I like the Gen 9 Pokemon but holy shit I can't deny that it has the worst shinies

modern oar
noble zealot
#

(Gholdengo sends its regards)

sweet crypt
#

I dont really care about shinies too much so I don't give a fuck

terse pollen
#

Why bother making good games when merchandise makes the most money

sweet crypt
#

But like holy shit

unkempt egret
#

and the mobile games too

sweet crypt
#

Couldn't they have put more effort into Gholdengo lmao

unkempt egret
#

but yea main series at this point is kinda like a bottleneck that every other part of the series flows through

modern oar
terse pollen
#

That's why everything except the main pokemon design was forgotten

unkempt egret
#

I forget wasn't it like pokemon GO in its first year of life alone made more money than gens 2-6 did combined or something absurd like that

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I remember the mobile game money being absurd compared to the console game money

sweet crypt
terse pollen
#

Oh true

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I guess the story is decent in some parts too

sweet crypt
#

Actually I don't think there's a single big Nintendo game that has a bad soundtrack

terse pollen
#

The soundtrack is always bopping

sweet crypt
#

We got good OSTs in spades

brisk hedge
unkempt egret
#

gen 8 but fair

terse pollen
#

I didn't really like Penny's theme at first but it grew on me

#

Gen 8 didn't even have a good story 😭

sweet crypt
#

The story is about as much effort as Gamefreak usually puts into the Pokemon stories

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That is to say barely any

modern oar
#

In my opinion at least.

unkempt egret
#

I said it a day or two ago but gen 8's plot feels like they wanted to just call back to gen 1 having less of a plot and more than a premise but they were told they needed to add all of the gen 3-7 climax tropes in and they were basically done with their premise so they had to shoehorn it all into the last 6 battles of the game rofl

sweet crypt
#

Well maybe I'm being harsh to SV

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They probably put more effort on the story than the other games

terse pollen
#

That's true

sweet crypt
#

Because they really didn't put effort into a lot of the stories of the Pokemon games

unkempt egret
#

which makes sense

modern oar
unkempt egret
#

because I feel like any plot the games themselves have will always be secondary to the one the player's creating in their head as they play

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which is why gens 5 and 7 both get flak for being intrusive with their plots

modern oar
#

I don't like the Scarlet and Violet story, I know that for certain.

unkempt egret
#

(the fact that gen 9 didn't get those complaints says a fair bit about what people are willing to tolerate when "Sick Dog Getting Better" is one of the plot beats rofl)

sweet crypt
#

Toby Fox gets a lot of credit for his work on the SV OST but even the songs he had no involvement with are amazing

unkempt egret
#

that being said I feel like if I'm the harshest in any gen it's probably gen 1

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since I really can't bring it in myself to care much about gen 1 when I'm playing it

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it set the stage for what followed but man has it aged like sour milk for me

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at least for the gameplay

sweet crypt
#

Whenever I see someone say that SV are far buggier than RBY I lose a few braincells

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My brother in christ having your stats lowered is a glitch

terse pollen
#

Gen 1 had a lot of flaws but it's more excusable

noble zealot
#

Gen 1 one of the weaker gens, to be certain, but it's leagues ahead of, say, Gen 7.

unkempt egret
#

"My Brother in Mewtwo have you ever used the move Rage by any chance in gen 1"

terse pollen
#

It wasn't nearly as big then, technology wasn't as advanced, video games weren't as big

sweet crypt
#

Forget the bugs even

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Because like

unkempt egret
#

"do it against lorelei's dewgong I swear it'll be funny"

sweet crypt
#

One of the most brought up bugs is like

brisk hedge
sweet crypt
#

Ghost doing nothing to Psychic

unkempt egret
#

for reference, ||doing that causes a soft-lock||

sweet crypt
#

BUT WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO?

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USE LICK WITH GENGAR?

noble zealot
unkempt egret
sweet crypt
#

Night Shade also completely ignores immunities in this gen so that doesn't matter either

unkempt egret
#

sorry I couldn't resist rofl

terse pollen
unkempt egret
#

but yea lick caused a whole messy cascade that took until gen 4 to properly resolve

terse pollen
#

It has basically no postgame outside of a $30 dlc

unkempt egret
#

since dark also became special in response

sweet crypt
#

But yes, Lick Gengar is definitely going to hurt Mewtwo

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(It's gonna do like 20% to Jynx)

terse pollen
#

And the story is mega bad

unkempt egret
#

meanwhile for me postgame was basically "start the game over on a new save since the switch just lets you do that without needing to pay for a new copy"

terse pollen
#

Like genuinely the villain does the bad thing at the worst possible moment for absolutely no reason

sweet crypt
#

Also, forget the bugs happens to be literal too

terse pollen
#

He could've waited for like a week after and tell them in advance but no he has to do it in the middle of the tournament for absolutely no reason

unkempt egret
sweet crypt
#

Because that's what you're gonna do when trying to play Competitive RBY

terse pollen
#

Exactly

brisk hedge
#

SWSH is massively disappointing, even without considering Dexit

sweet crypt
#

You're gonna be forgetting the Fighting types too

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And tbh you'll probably also forget that Gengar is a Poison type

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So may as well say you forgot the Poison types as well

unkempt egret
#

I don't mind gen 8 but I can see why it's a franchise dealbreaker for a lot of people who were expecting more from a new console and 20$ more

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especially for the ones who weren't fans of gen 6/7's changes to the series to begin with

terse pollen
#

I'm kind of disappointed myself in retrospect for buying gens 8 and 9

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Sadge

modern oar
#

My first Pokemon game I completed was Shield, so I enjoyed it.(Not the story though as I didn't care as much about that)

sweet crypt
#

Saying that the only bad things about RBY are the bugs is discounting the fact that it has worse balancing than SV

unkempt egret
#

I don't regret it personally but it's very hard for me to outright regret purchasing something

noble zealot
#

Sword is probably the game I've replayed to completion the most times.

terse pollen
#

I always regret outright purchasing something

unkempt egret
terse pollen
#

But I can acknowledge it has some pretty major flaws

noble zealot
unkempt egret
#

Lets GO I at least borrowed from my brother but

modern oar
#

I've played Let's Go Eevee, but I've never finished it because it's so boring.

unkempt egret
#

I do find it funny that the reason why I stopped playing that game was because of something that FR/LG had too (read: exploding hikers)

noble zealot
#

I used to like Gen 7, but replays have made me come to hate it.

brisk hedge
#

The only switch Pokémon game that I’d say isn’t a disappointment is Legends Arceus

unkempt egret
#

meanwhile I'm the opposite where I passed on Legends because it doesn't seem like a game I'd enjoy

terse pollen
#

Exploding hikers? Like hiker trainers that spam explosion?

#

That's funny

unkempt egret
#

since there's a much lower emphasis placed on battling compared to catching and lorebuilding

modern oar
#

Legends: Arceus is not the best, but not the worst either.

terse pollen
unkempt egret
#

actually I've noticed that fans seem to love it when the pokedex entries are brought into the plot/gameplay like with PMD and legends

modern oar
#

I don't really like Legends: Arceus much.

sweet crypt
#

I think it's funny that Legends: Arceus has a pretty low focus on battles and yet has the hardest battle in the mainline games

unkempt egret
#

then again PMD didn't exactly wow me either playing it on VC earlier

noble zealot
#

I love that we got expansion on Sinnoh, plus the unique Monster Hunter-styled gameplay.

unkempt egret
#

I can see that, the MH styled stuff generally just isn't for me

terse pollen
sweet crypt
#

Tbf that battle is an outlier, most of the battles in L:A are pretty easy as one may expect

unkempt egret
#

even though I do apprecaite the game having no multiplayer content at all which allows its single player stuff to breathe a lot fresher

sweet crypt
#

Like I'm pretty sure that the Kamado fight has like 4 Pokemon or something? And it's like very lategame

modern oar
#

I did not like the difficulty of the ||Volo|| fight.

terse pollen
#

It's kind of bullshit though how in PLA to get Darkrai/Shaymin you have to own other games on the switch

noble zealot
#

On my most recent PLA playthrough, the battles seem harder than they did the first time I played.

terse pollen
#

PLA doesn't seem like it'd be fun to replay

modern oar
#

I would replay it, but only to complete the dex and face the actual final fight.

noble zealot
#

I never actually got to ||the Volo fight|| the first time around.

modern oar
noble zealot
#

I got a few of the ||post-game plates||, but that was it.

modern oar
modern oar
#

I think this is my third one of this rarity with this luck.

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Should I take the Soul Dew?

sweet crypt
#

So it depends on if you have good natures

modern oar
sweet crypt
#

It also no longer has the same effects it normally does :(

#

It's so Latiover

modern oar
#

Currently with the natures I have it probably isn't that great.

sweet crypt
#

Depends on your other options then

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Because you can always take it and hope for a good nature mint

modern oar
#

The only good nature I have on a mon is Timid, being on my Eevee.

#

These are all of the options I have.

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sweet crypt
#

Yeah no take the Soul Dew

unkempt egret
#

may as well

#

if it doesn't work out then you can swap it onto something else

sweet crypt
#

With proper PP and money management you have 0 need for PP Ups, though they undoubtedly are nice from a QOL standpoint

#

But vs a Soul Dew? Hell no lmao I'm picking the Soul Dew every single time

modern oar
#

I don't have great natures on things. I need to know if I can put it on a neutral nature mon.

sweet crypt
#

Timid on Eevee with the Soul Dew probably means you want to prioritise either Espeon or Jolteon

#

Though you can try to go for a nature mint if you want

modern oar
#

I currently have the Dynamax Band, and I've had it since before the 20th floor.

#

I don't even know the stats of G-max Eevee in Pokerogue.

sweet crypt
#

So probably not worth lmao

#

Well, there is 1 reason it'd be worth

modern oar
#

So 525 BST?

sweet crypt
#

Because it has the ability Protean, a far better ability than any other Eeveelution

sweet crypt
#

Misremembered their BSTs lmao

#

Doesn't matter since it has worse stat spread than most of them

#

So ultimately it comes down to the ability Protean

modern oar
#

I just remembered that Butterfree has a G-max form and I released it not too long ago.

#

I think I'll evolve my Eevee into Jolteon or Espeon then.

sweet crypt
#

Ima be honest idk if it's worth

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Idk if those stats make up for the type

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It is a Quiver Dancer though

modern oar
#

It is better than normal Butterfree, but yeah, seeing the stats, it isn't worth it.

sweet crypt
#

It's profoundly stupid that Gmax Eevee, Pikachu and Meowth get boosted to having a higher BST than Gmax Butterfree ngl

modern oar
#

I don't know why I keep getting things from Ultra Ball tier or higher with my luck being D.

modern oar
sweet crypt
#

I'd definitely have raised them more than 100 too, but certainly not above Butterfree's 490

sweet crypt
#

Because they're basically just Megas in Pokerogue because nobody likes Dynamax

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But what's even stupider about it is that Pikachu still receives the boosts from Light Ball

modern oar
#

I think Dynamax is better in doubles.(And in the mainline Pokemon games)

#

Anyway, should I just take the Reviver Seed?

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sweet crypt
sweet crypt
#

But it is still stupid

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Mainly when you take into account that they boosted it to 530

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Instead of just being a 100 BST boost

#

See, there's two Pokemon with a Mega form that have signature items

#

Being Latios and Latias

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And hacking them to be Megas while holding their items grants the stat boosts

#

This allows Mega Latios to be a viable Pure Hackmons pick apparently

#

But only in Gen 6 before they butchered Soul Dew

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Anyways, when considering that Pokerogue doesn't have EVs, this allows Gmax Pikachu to have an effective BST of 751

modern oar
#

Well, I found this quickly.

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But I am in an area that is not good for Jolteon, so I may not take it. I also have a Magneton, so a Jolteon would also hurt since I would have 2 electric types.

sweet crypt
#

But if you do consider EVs and spec into Attack, it has an effective BST of 783

#

Since you can't do that, Gmax Pikachu's raw stats are beaten by the Primals, MMX and MMY, Mega Rayquaza and Eternamax Eternatus in a Pokerogue context

#

But apart from that, they are unrivalled

#

However, Pikachu also has far worse stat distribution than all of those Pokemon

lavish dune
#

Facebook marketplace is fuckin funny bruh

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sweet crypt
#

Having easily the highest amount of "wasted" stats, IE stats into the Attack stat that you won't end up using

#

And also just being one of the many High HP low Defences Pokemon, a stat spread that we know works terribly from Pokemon like Wailord

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And only 90 Speed

lavish dune
#

I love wailord

But his hp doesnt do enough offset his defenses

sweet crypt
#

"Wailord only warrants use on stall teams, but even on stall, Pyukumuku does a better job stalling than Wailord" PU btw

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"Wailord is a poor choice in SS ZU due to being heavily outclassed by other bulky Water-types thanks to its lackluster bulk"

#

The strategy section also doesn't fail to mention once again that it's outclassed by Pyukumuku

#

Wailord is a really sad Pokemon

#

Remember kids, 170 HP and an amazing defensive type means jack shit if you have less defences than a Joltik and 0 reliable recovery

noble zealot
#

Did you all know that Bastiodon's best set is outclassed by Bronzor?

sweet crypt
#

Like there's the strategies for the obviously bad Pokemon like Unown and Caterpie

#

And then there's the strategies for Wailord

sweet crypt
#

Can't say I'm surprised

#

Since Bronzor has a ton of good qualities

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And Bastiodon is Bastiodon

noble zealot
#

It's funny to see that what sounds like a good wall on paper is outclassed by a literal unevolved mon

sweet crypt
#

Not being surprised that fucking Bronzor is better than Bastiodon is actually kinda wild if you don't know anything about Competitive Pokemon

#

The funniest thing is, it isn't even just the type and the low offences

#

Because it often finds itself horribly outclassed by Probopass, too

#

Another passive Rock/Steel type with high bulk

noble zealot
#

Yeah, Bastiodon is Taunt bait.

sweet crypt
#

At least this one can pivot

#

And is a lot less passive than Bastiodon despite being undoubtedly passive

#

Bastiodon is more passive than Special Attacking Ferrothorn

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Which is fucking crazy

unkempt egret
#

ooooh man i got a DNA splicer

noble zealot
#

That item only ever seems to appear for me when I don't need it.

#

Never when I'm packing Tinkaton and Dachsbun in the same team.

modern oar
#

I sadly lost on my last run, but I am doing another run and am doing well in it.

unkempt egret
#

oh gosh this was a mistake

#

I gave him legs.

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ok just casual HA toxicroak to fill in that empty slot

terse pollen
#

Man I wish Pokerogue worked better on Firefox

unkempt egret
#

HOLY

#

that's two splicers in less than 5 rounds

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terse pollen
#

Woah nice

#

I don't even know how good they are

#

But congrats

unkempt egret
#

not great unless you plan on it lol

#

in my case it's allowing me to squeak out two more medals while retaining my shiny luck

terse pollen
#

Oh nice

#

I beat classic with a fused mon once but it only gave one of the pokemon a medal

unkempt egret
#

yep

#

that's actually what i'm taking advantage of, since i fused two medal'ed pokemon onto two non-medal'ed pokemon

#

so that way the shiny luck is retained while the non-medal'ed pokemon keep their medals

terse pollen
#

Oh I see

#

Will it give the medal to the other pokemon or count the one with the medal is the question

unkempt egret
#

depends on the order

terse pollen
#

I see

terse pollen
#

The team is dripped out

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lavish dune
#

not enough golurk ngl

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terse pollen
#

True true

#

Your Iron Moth is looking spiffy my dude

lavish dune
#

he is incredibly spiffy

terse pollen
#

Seriously

lavish dune
#

and i get some team building options because of golurk, machamp, and lillipup

#

also PLEASE EVOLVE CLEFFA

terse pollen
#

Moon stone machine broke

lavish dune
#

i got moth from the shiny epic egg

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watch me get iron valiant

lavish dune
terse pollen
terse pollen
#

Gotta read it a bed time story or something

lavish dune
#

HOLY SHIT KILLER SOLO TICKETS

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terse pollen
#

Wait pog?

#

He might be goated

#

Don't get too excited though because it might not be shiny

lavish dune
#

if i get a shiny golurk

#

imma just nut

#

straight up

terse pollen
#

Wow ok

lavish dune
terse pollen
lavish dune
#

golurk stands on business in all its media

terse pollen
#

This is true

lavish dune
#

golurk deserves to be a pseudo

terse pollen
#

What would its middle stage look like?

lavish dune
#

golurk is the middle

#

final stage is shadow of the colossus

terse pollen
#

Now that would be sick

lavish dune
#

or one of the divine beasts from botw

terse pollen
#

I could see them giving Golurk another evolution in a future game

#

It would have to be a stone evo or something though because otherwise it's gonna be like a level 60 evolution

lavish dune
#

zweilous did it

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or maybe its like mantyke with remoraid but its golurk and sigilyph

terse pollen
#

Oh now that would be sick

#

Golurk gets like a big pair of wings and some cool engravings from Sigilyph

lavish dune
#

they do seem related

#

i dont know who this is, but still cool

terse pollen
#

Woah nice

#

New pokemon from scarlet and violet

lavish dune
#

wait holy hell i have the perfect double battle team

#

iron moth has discharge which golurk is immune to, and golurk has earthquake while moth has levitate

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i can just spam

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plus they cover each others weaknesses

smoky gyro
#

I was today years old when I learnt that psychic terrain doesnt block all priority

#

Only priority targeted towards you

lavish dune
#

please evolve

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lavish dune
#

it evolved at NINETY SIX

#

i choked

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#

CLEFAIRY THE GOAT

#

these were the epics, not exactly happy about a verizion dupe ngl

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wet stratus
lunar niche
#

How is this team for beating the Elite Four and Champion Iris in Black 2? Any recommendations and help is welcomed.

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lean vapor
lunar niche
lean vapor
#

i reccomend for items things that boost moves power if available

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i.e vital water or whatever its called that boosts water type moves

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also level up that poor samurott to be on par with the others

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55 should do

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although ive never played black 2

lunar niche
#

...

#

Sigh

lean vapor
#

ive played black and white though

#

oh

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well, my advice for items is good

#

(hopefully)

wet stratus
#

Sir this is a Wendy's discord

#

Idk what you were expecting but aifirester gave you a real response mrshrug

lean vapor
#

lmao

rugged comet
devout crag
#

idk what game to hardcore nuzlocke

#

im so bored

unkempt egret
#

hmmm do you have access to Sword/shield

devout crag
#

sadly no

#

my emulator breaks at the fifth gym

unkempt egret
#

aight in that case how about Bw/W2

devout crag
#

interesting

#

i never actually finished that game lmao

#

im not 5 i shouldnt have problems

#

i hope

#

ima set it up

#

then start

#

unless i roll stuff like i do in pokerougeheadempty

unkempt egret
#

lol

devout crag
#

my luck is genuely ass

#

the best taillow i ever rolled was a adamant 20 atk 31 sp atk 10 spd evs

#

im not even gonna talk abt starly

#

how many viruses did they load in this rom💔

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past cairn
#

Anyone know if you can ditch the partner Pikachu/Eevee in the let's go games?

devout crag
#

i cant find the save file location to check my tepigs situation😔

#

where is the save folder in melonds

modern oar
past cairn
#

Mono poison run

devout crag
#

yall i need help

#

i cant find the save file thing in melonds

#

how will i check my tepig

modern oar
past cairn
#

Noice thx

devout crag
#

ahh yes my starter genesect

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#

gotta love it when stuff aint working

noble zealot
brisk hedge
terse pollen
#

I forgot how clunky the camping part of the game was

unkempt egret
#

lorde can I go through the USUM E4 in pokerogue without being hit by a million Sturdies

#

I think out of the 10 pokemon so far... 5 of them have had Sturdy as either a passive or just their normal ability

terse pollen
#

Sturdy is always one of the more annoying abilities to deal with

unkempt egret
#

oh sandstorm doesn't proc the reviver seed I guess

#

surprisingly that's actually a good thing in this case since that was the final turn lol

#

heckin kahili went the smoothest of the four in the mono-fighting run

modern oar
unkempt egret
#

makes sense

modern oar
#

Anyway, I need to get back to the game I am currently playing.

terse pollen
#

Gmax snorlax is so fun to use

#

Stuff cheeks + harvest = infinite defense

lean vapor
#

Same for blizzard

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Or whatever it's called

unkempt egret
#

hail

#

since I think pokerogue has both gen 3-8 hail and gen 9 snowscape but I think the snow warning summons the latter

lean vapor
#

That's what I was thinking of

unkempt egret
#

gonna do mono poison next

#

since i just found a shiny trubbish in endless lol

#

good to see my main issue with the line is already solved since I'm not a fan of having to rely on gunk shot even if 80% is a bit more generous than the 75/70's

#

I do get why though since garbodor is "gunk shot, the pokemon" lol

sweet crypt
#

"Fairy is better physically than Ghost" I'm gonna die from brain damage

#

They're pretty similar physically, both have Pokemon that could really use the best physical move of the type but just don't have it

#

The difference is one move is Play Shart and the other is Poltergeist

#

Ghost I'd say is better offensively than Fairy as a whole and especially when talking about the type chart, but due to Moonblast being a stupid fucking move and Fairy being far better defensively, Fairy's pretty easily the better type overall

#

That said Fairy is itself a strong offensive type

#

Just not at the same level as Ghost

unkempt egret
#

I was gonna say they're both not exactly in good straits physically

#

fairy is probably better in-game since poltergeist is both a late addition (gen 8 DLC) and in-game enemies don't exactly carry items often

#

but neither is in a great position

#

also shoutouts to every 95 base power special move getting nerfed down just to make moonblast seem stronger

#

and sludge wave since dropping sludge bomb below 90% would seem strange lol

sweet crypt
unkempt egret
#

oh yea in comp it's like 90 base power vs 110

sweet crypt
#

Where Poltergeist is just inconceivably better than Play Shart

unkempt egret
#

(the accuracy is a moot point in this context since both are 90%)

#

but it's still +20 base power which uh

sweet crypt
#

You're gambling on a 90% to get average damage

unkempt egret
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I forget what the exact thing was but I remember something with 80 base attack doing more damage with brave bird than 120 special attack and air slash because of the +45 base power discrepancy there

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the 90/100 benchmark

sweet crypt
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But it's better than Zen Headbutt at least

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Can't wait to gamble on a 90% for somewhat under average damage

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With a bad offensive type, no less

unkempt egret
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under the explanation that "anything below 90 (80?) on the former is generally a coverage move and anything below 100 on the latter has got some explaining to do"

sweet crypt
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And Psychic Fangs is so insultingly rare that idk if it's even worth mentioning when comparing STAB moves

unkempt egret
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signature move that's on more things that don't get STAB on it

sweet crypt
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But hey it's 100% accurate and has 85 BP

unkempt egret
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but still comp pokemon just seems like suffering when trying to think about it logically

sweet crypt
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And has a far more useful secondary effect than a 10% chance to lower Attack

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So it's far better than Play Shart ever will be

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And then they give Play Shart to the 2 Special Attacking Tapus

unkempt egret
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meanwhile me in pokerogue taking a drink for every poison type that gets malignant chain as an egg move

sweet crypt
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And the 2 physical ones get jack shit

unkempt egret
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(it's so many drinks it feels like I got both poisoned and confused at once)

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torchic as the starter which uuuuh

sweet crypt
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They should give Magical Torque to more physical Fairy types

unkempt egret
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that's probably a neutral interaction, glimmora vs. blaziken

sweet crypt
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Instead of Spirit Break

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Which is arguably even worse than Play Rough

unkempt egret
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meanwhile my nuz brain is like "70 is perfectly fine if it's tanking something's special attack"

sweet crypt
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75 BP is just sad

unkempt egret
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(er, 75 in this case)

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I think 70 is usually my benchmark for when a move is usable as an actual move and not just coverage or "for the secondary effect" even if the par is 90

sweet crypt
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If you held me at gunpoint to use an Elemental Punch I would tell you to pull the trigger

unkempt egret
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"alright cool more punches for me"

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"wait"

sweet crypt
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Even Thunder Punch, whose competition is uhh

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Less than stellar, to say the least

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And to be completely honest, utter garbage

unkempt egret
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actually now that I think about it I don't think ice is doing peachy there either considering icicle thing is still less than 100%

sweet crypt
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You got Taxel and Ice Spinner

unkempt egret
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icicle crash there we go

sweet crypt
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Ice Spinner is a bit meh in terms of damage but it's accurate

unkempt egret
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I don't trust taxel but fair enough on ice spinner

sweet crypt
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And Taxel's damage is great

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Simply gamble

unkempt egret
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I was gonna say again nuz brain but I'd rather go with a 75/100 than a 120/90 unless it's a mon that appreciates that like cinccino

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actually taxel is a bit of an odd case

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in that I'd normally take a 120/90 but

sweet crypt
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Well I'm a Competitive Brained player

unkempt egret
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taxel runs that 90% check three times

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like maybe but I'm absolutley gonna slap a wide lens on that for 99%

sweet crypt
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So if a move does big fucking damage it's almost always better

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Unless it's yknow

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Zap Cannon

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Or Thunder

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Focus Blast's competition is also a bit underwhelming so it gets a pass

unkempt egret
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once it goes below 80% it gets increasingly hard to justify

sweet crypt
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The number of times I've missed the KO with Aura Sphere is uncountable

unkempt egret
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aside from yea focus blast's competition being a bit too rare (and also below the 90 par)

sweet crypt
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Technically if you don't need to reach a threshold then the lower BP accurate move is better

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The issue is there's like 0 situations where the stronger move doesn't reach a threshold

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Except shit like Heat Wave vs Flamethrower

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Where the difference is literally 5 BP

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Completely unrelated note

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But talking about moves

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Can we talk about how Kyurem has 3 fucking signature moves

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AND ALL OF THEM ARE WORTHLESS GARBAGE

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Ah yes, Icy Wind with 10 more BP

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As a move whose BP just doesn't matter at all

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And is entirely used as support

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And 2 charge moves

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So they're automatically just bad

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They did Kyurem dirty with these

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Because god forbid we have a strong Ice type

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No, make Kyurem Black straight up the only box art legendary to have ever been in OU

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Zamazenta's technically only a box art in Crowned form

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Same for Necrozma in Dusk Mane, Dawn Wings or Ultra

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Kyurem Black is the form that appears on the box

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And has managed to get not 1, not 2, but 3 whole generations in a row where it wasn't Ubers

lavish dune
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doing my US nuzlocke when im out and about

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my route 1?

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ledyba

narrow pine
sweet crypt
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Like if you consider B rank the average, Kyurem Black only ranks slightly above at B+

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Well, in Gens 5 and 6

modern oar
sweet crypt
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It ranks pretty high in Gen 7

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And I'm guessing it's because of Z Moves

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Since Kyurem-Black's biggest issue is the fact that Gamefreak fucking hates it and gave it 0 good physical Ice moves

narrow pine
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KBs more of a "this helps nothing" rather than actual viability

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and is sourced to just all around making Gen 5 OU worse for no benefit

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Its why Palafin wasn't unbanned last test

sweet crypt
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Fair enough, but I don't think that Smogon cares enough to suspect test it out of the tier since it's just nowhere near unhealthy enough

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Which says a lot about how ass it is for a box art

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I dont think there's any other that would manage to be ranked at fucking B+ or lower in any format of OU

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Hey, it's better than Poopa Unwiped, another Pokemon with Box Art stats and 0 direct drawback

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It simply just has physical bulk so poor that even if it didn't have a quad Bug weakness it'd probably still get chunked by U-Turn

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Hey, I guess it was Ubers in Gen 6 at least

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And never again

narrow pine
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Because Z-Crystals took its niche

sweet crypt
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Realistically Kyurem-B and Poopa Unwiped are actually really good mons

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Just that they're really good mons for the standards of an average Pokemon

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Not for the standards of a Pokemon with 680 or more BST

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And even then as soon as Kyurem-B got an Ice STAB option that wasn't Special or utter garbage, it was straight to Ubers

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And is even decent in Ubers in Gen 9 because of Loaded Dice

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I dont think anything can bring Poopa Unwiped to Ubers though lmao

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Tbh Poopa Unwiped probably isn't even the most fraudulent Pokemon

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Because Duraludon exists

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How do you have 535 BST and a great type and still not be the undisputed best 1st stage Pokemon of all time, or even the Pokemon with the best claim to that title

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(Rhetorical, obviously anyone who plays Competitive can list off the issues of Duraludon like listing off the number of times Focus Blast missed in situations where they really needed it to hit)

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But seriously being worse than 430 BST Gligar and Bug/Flying Scyther is just

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Bruh

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And Gamefreak clearly wanted Duraludon to be strong too, being the ace of the 8th Gym Leader and the closest trainer to matching the Champion, with its own Gigantamax form

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But it was so terrible that Gamefreak had to rectify the mistake of creating it with an evolution 1 generation after its conception

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Absolutely ridiculous

unkempt egret
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hoopa confined AKA GF's experimentation on creating the most pursuit-weak legendary known to mankind (and probably somehow still doesn't qualify)

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(U-turn weak for unbound I guess)

lavish dune
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Holy shit ledyba and ledian are aggressively ass

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This thing was made to be fodder

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Shockingly good sp def thi

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Tho

terse pollen
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But they have iron fist ability Quagless

noble zealot
lean vapor
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that seismitoad looks happy

lavish dune
terse pollen
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must be one strong buneary Quagless

unkempt egret
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Lv 1 Frustration goes hard

lavish dune
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it was pound

tight granite
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it do be a ledyba

mild dirge
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What should I set as Malamars 4th move?

Reflect?
Protect?
Swagger to combine with topsy turvy?

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unkempt egret
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probably Taunt so you can delay getting Redirected for a tiny bit

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(there's a reason why "target your ally" strats almost never work compared to the doubles tradition of protect/fake out/redirect rofl)

mild dirge
mild dirge
# mild dirge What should I set as Malamars 4th move? Reflect? Protect? Swagger to combine wi...

Also for anyone wondering here’s the explanation of my dumb idea in its ideal scenario
Turn 1
Armarouge uses Protect
Malamar uses Trick room
Turn 2
Malamar uses skill swap to grant Armarouge the ability contrary
Armarouge uses armor cannon or overheat
Turn 3
The Setup is complete topsy turvy is for screwing with the opponents setup to try and break past Armarouges iron wall and taunt to screw with them trying to stop it

All Armarouge has to do is spam armor cannon or overheat and pray that the enemy doesn’t get a critical hit

terse pollen
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Why is there a limit to how many eggs you can have in Pokerogue

unkempt egret
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not sure?

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once you hatch some of those you can just grab more

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the common ones hatch in 10 waves so thankfully not much waiting

terse pollen
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I wanted to hatch a bunch at the same time

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Now I have to go and hatch some before I can get more

wet stratus
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they don't want it to get eggcessive Quagless

terse pollen
lavish dune
quasi dagger
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we are at the point where i would like to stop looking at shiny glalie

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lavish dune
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Wrong