probably the latter since it's like... 110 speed?
#other-pokemon-games
unkempt egret
modern oar
Either way, the fight was extremely easy and forgettable, every other champion I fought in Pokemon was more difficult even though they were not in challenge runs.
unkempt egret
105
modern oar
probably the latter since it's like... 110 speed?
I believe I used EVs so Glaceon could take the hit.
unkempt egret
I mean nemona's still not the final boss so makes sense
modern oar
I would think a champion would be tough though.
unkempt egret
but when you have full EVs the only games that can really fight back are S/M/US/UM and BD/SP
modern oar
I didn't use EVs much though, so I mainly had held items.
And even with all of that the DLC battles were tough.
Specifically the Indigo Disk portion of the DLC.
The Eeveelutions have such a big weakness to fire.
modern oar
By the way, the most difficult elite four member for me was the dragon one.(Not in Indigo Disk)
modern oar
once the sun goes up a lot of your advantages just vanish
Yeah, and only one Eeveelution resists fire that can actually damage the fire type Pokemon back with reasonable damage.
The most difficult Indigo Disk elite four was of course the fire one.
unkempt egret
and you're also slower so you either need to give RD to jolt (?) or use it every turn
modern oar
I actually beat the fire elite four member without removing the sun and without overlevelling that much.
I don't actually remember what I did, but I remember formerly having a plan to get rid of the sun then gave up on it.
Every fight other than that was pretty easy.
sweet crypt
If you get Heal Order, it becomes carry material
devout crag
i mean
probably the best thing ive ever rolled so far
but its dudunsparce
thanks, starly
wild ore
Inteleon missed 3 hydro pumps on king gambit which let it kill it and Ray Ray missed hurricane letting shell smash cloyster sweep
hazy basin
Inteleon missed 3 hydro pumps on king gambit which let it kill it and Ray Ray mi...
Which game is this?
devout crag
Which game is this?
pokerouge
unkempt egret
mobile version
devout crag
awful looking UI
mobile
wild ore
BRING IT ON YOU OVERSIZED ULTRA BEAST POISON LOOKING ASS SNAKE DRAGON
tight granite
remember to get the 4 shiny ruin legends via mystery gift in scarlet/violet
they are still available till Sp 30th
devout crag
little does he know im too poor to afford the games
what should i rock with (all the ivs and natures are mostly trash)
brisk hedge
linoone got ts right?
devout crag
do u want to see what the avarage is
this starly had ONE job with his ivs
theres also this
modern oar
theres also this
That's actually pretty good other than attack.
modern oar
That doesn't matter much in my opinion, just keep trying to catch Pokemon to try getting better IVs.
modern oar
All Pokemon you currently have have low IVs right? Then catch more to get higher IVs.
sweet crypt
he wont one shot a pidgey tho
If it failed to OHKO the Pidgey with Mountain Gale consider not being horribly underleveled
devout crag
All Pokemon you currently have have low IVs right? Then catch more to get higher...
thats the problem
i probably catched around 10 taillows
all of them had sp atk+ natures and horrid ivs
modern oar
It takes time okay?
Sometimes you just have to keep going even if you've not had the best luck.
sweet crypt
If it failed to OHKO with Powder Snow well I mean it's Powder Snow on a Swinub so par for the course
devout crag
Sometimes you just have to keep going even if you've not had the best luck.
this is the second time
modern oar
If it failed to OHKO with Powder Snow well I mean it's Powder Snow on a Swinub s...
Powder Snow is a special attacking move isn't it?
sweet crypt
Powder Snow is a special attacking move isn't it?
Exactly
And it also has literally 40 BP
I dont think Swinub's even KOing Hoppip with this shit ngl
devout crag
If it failed to OHKO with Powder Snow well I mean it's Powder Snow on a Swinub s...
well i never used it
i can guess how it would go
sweet crypt
Mountain Gale would probably KO like
modern oar
my luck was worst there
At least you have been getting better luck, hopefully your luck gets better. For now just keep catching mons, most wild mons won't have good IVs.
sweet crypt
3 Pidgeys
devout crag
hold on
starly
watch him be adamant but with the worst ivs ever
and keen eye
holy fucking shit
modern oar
Great IVs other than special defense.
devout crag
ts the best starly ive ever seen in my runs😭
modern oar
As I said, just keep catching mons, most wild mons don't have good IVs.
sweet crypt
Also tf are you expecting from Starly if not Keen Eye
devout crag
i mean
sweet crypt
Reckless is a Hidden Ability lmfao
sweet crypt
i have caught a intimidate starly
It doesn't have Intimidate
sweet crypt
It only gets Intimidate after evolving into Staravia
devout crag
dang
sweet crypt
Like yknow how Caterpie has Run Away as a HA
devout crag
i forgot that lmao
sweet crypt
But Butterfree has Tinted Lens
devout crag
what is ts bagon
sweet crypt
what is ts bagon
Well, you got Dragon Dance at least
modern oar
Wow, those IVs are bad.
sweet crypt
So you don't need to get good TM RNG
devout crag
doubt this bagon will see the light of the day
sweet crypt
I remember, for the longest time my IVs on Iron Hands were HORRIBLE
Like, less than 8 IVs in each stat
Except SpA
At like
40
*30
Typo
LIKE BRO I'M NOT RUNNING SPECIAL ATTACKING IRON HANDS GAME
modern oar
I haven't played Pokerogue much.
devout crag
u found one at least
modern oar
I just am saying that IVs of wild Pokemon aren't that great usually, and I think the eggs in Pokerogue give you wild Pokemon IVs basically.
sweet crypt
Also can we talk about how tragic it is that your egg move on Articuno is Aurora Veil?
That literally does jack shit if you don't have the passive
devout crag
articuno got this fr
devout crag
Also can we talk about how tragic it is that your egg move on Articuno is Aurora...
shh hes like the best thing i have rn😔
let me be happy
oof
run done ggs
nvm
articuno goated and hitted 2 airslashes
what a rotom
big red birb
terse pollen
Imagine if Magician let you steal vitamins
wild ore
So close for 1st attempt
terse pollen
Just yoinking the vitamins out of their blood
wild ore
2nd attempt time
terse pollen
So close for 1st attempt
You got this
Did you get it to last health bar in one attack?
devout crag
i doubt
wild ore
Damn bro lol
wild ore
Did you get it to last health bar in one attack?
No
terse pollen
But it only stole one item from you
wild ore
I put it to sleep and leech and it stayed alseep the whole fight
That was WAY to easy
Didn’t lose a single mon that time
terse pollen
Sickass team
wild ore
Thx
terse pollen
Who did you start with? Bulbasaur Zigzagoon and Flamigo?
wild ore
Bulbasaur zig flamigo and shellder
I have bulbasaur cost lower to 1 same with zig and flamingo at 2
So 4 points with him
terse pollen
Oh damn nice
wild ore
Then shelder was 5
nova marlin
WHAT
sweet crypt
WHAT
Giratina, Ridley and Darth Vader are not characters I expected to see all in 1 sentence
terse pollen
And gandalf the grey and gandalf the white and monty python and the holy grail's black knight
sweet crypt
And gandalf the grey and gandalf the white and monty python and the holy grail's...
And [Problematic Political Figure], and the Blue Meanie, and Cowboy Curtis, and Jambi the Genie
wild ore
Only 2 runs after my first win
terse pollen
Robocop The Terminator Captain Curtis Darth Vader Low Pan Superman and Every Single Power Ranger
terse pollen
I like Zygarde
sweet crypt
Robocop The Terminator Captain Curtis Darth Vader Low Pan Superman and Every Sin...
Bill S Preston and Theodore Logan, Spock, The Rock, Dock Ock and Hulk Hogan
sweet crypt
Should I spin or nah for sugared?
Feel free to do so
terse pollen
We did it reddit
wild ore
Feel free to do so
Idk if it’s gud
sweet crypt
If you get Power Construct, it's worth it
wild ore
Does it start out with it?
sweet crypt
Especially if you get Heal Order as well
wild ore
Or is it like the hidden ability
sweet crypt
Does it start out with it?
You only will have a chance of getting a Power Construct form
wild ore
I’ll use 2 plus tickets on it for fun and save the over 2
And use my premiums on a good legendary
sweet crypt
Tbh Miraidon is probably the best legendary to spend tickets on when it comes to Classic
wild ore
Does endless give really good rewards?
terse pollen
But Zygarde is cool
sweet crypt
It performs at a similar level to the Primals, Mega Rayquaza, Calyrex Shadow and Zacian Crowned except doesn't need RNG to give it an extremely rare item
terse pollen
Does endless give really good rewards?
From my experience not really
wild ore
Oh
sweet crypt
Does endless give really good rewards?
Yes, but only if you get far enough into it
terse pollen
I got to 250 and got a couple of egg vouchers plus but that's about it
It's not very fun either
wild ore
I’ll do a lil and hopefully if I find shinys and legends it’ll be cool
terse pollen
I’ll do a lil and hopefully if I find shinys and legends it’ll be cool
I did get a bunch of legendaries from it so there's that
But you need good luck
sweet crypt
I ain't getting bored until I've exhausted every possible Pokemon that could be even remotely fun to use
terse pollen
Understandable
wild ore
Holy shit these are some good ass ivs on my abra
sweet crypt
I love using Rampardos and finding out that it somehow is worse than Castform
terse pollen
Abra is crazy good
sweet crypt
That's fucking hilarious
terse pollen
Especially if you get its passive
terse pollen
I love using Rampardos and finding out that it somehow is worse than Castform
How is that possible
sweet crypt
How is that possible
Quiver Dance Adaptability Boomburst goes crazy
terse pollen
Oh damn
sweet crypt
So does Shift Gear Rock Head Reckless Head Smash
But the issue is
Rampardos dies a lot easier than Castform
Because Rock
Bottom text
unkempt egret
since castform is getting special defense boosts on 70x3 and ramp is uuuh
97/50/50?
sweet crypt
97/50/50?
They're pretty similarly frail except Castform just has a better type
And ofc the SpD boosts like you mentioned
unkempt egret
97/60/50, got 2/3 rofl
terse pollen
Very nice
Is Water Shuriken worth using on Cloyster? It's a special move in this game instead of physical
wild ore
Cloyster has ight special attack
But icicle spear razor shell and shell smash is way better
unkempt egret
from what I remember that one's mostly just there to kill endless runs
terse pollen
Awesome
sweet crypt
I'd personally run either Water Shuriken for Priority or Hydro Pump for damage
unkempt egret
also yea it might be like a 95/90 split there
terse pollen
Awesome
sweet crypt
I dont like Razor Shell's low BP with a lack of priority
terse pollen
awesomer
wild ore
Skill link makes icicle spear a 100% no drawbacks 125 base power ice move
terse pollen
from what I remember that one's mostly just there to kill endless runs
Which one
sweet crypt
I mean, Water Shuriken has the same BP as Razor Shell
wild ore
Every icicle is 45 base power
sweet crypt
Except it's a priority move
unkempt egret
water shuriken
since both priority and multi-hit which gets past both endless strats (sturdy + metal burst and seismic toss + parental bond)
wild ore
I used a calculator and 45x 5 is 225
sweet crypt
And the difference between Cloyster's Attack and SpA is merely 10
unkempt egret
45?
sweet crypt
The main issue with this is that you'd need to not run Adamant
unkempt egret
37.5 but
sweet crypt
They should add Loaded Dice to this
Cloyster has Skill Link so it doesn't matter for Cloyster
wild ore
A mobe
sweet crypt
But for other Pokemon it's great
unkempt egret
187.5 base power yea counting STAB, 125 without
wild ore
Move*
terse pollen
Well yeah but what about other pokemon
wild ore
187.5 base power yea counting STAB, 125 without
Still rlly gud
terse pollen
Loaded Dice would be a great Rogue tier item
terse pollen
since both priority and multi-hit which gets past both endless strats (sturdy + ...
Man late game endless sounds lame
sweet crypt
Because they're too unreliable
unkempt egret
it is rofl
wild ore
Just got thunderclap on a magnamite
terse pollen
I just want to do endless for egg vouchers
unkempt egret
tokens are nice in theory but they quickly stack up to an awful degree once you hit wave 1000 or so
sweet crypt
The only time you're ever using them is on a Skill Link Pokemon
Or if the multihit move is based on accuracy
Like Taxel
Or PopBomb
upbeat widget
shroomish the goat
terse pollen
What the sigma
unkempt egret
oddly enough endless is more for getting shinies directly because you'll just eventually get 2-3 shiny charms as you go
terse pollen
Shroomish too strong
unkempt egret
(and ability charms too)
sweet crypt
shroomish the goat
Erm, that's a mushroom
terse pollen
Neotornado how would you recommend farming egg vouchers
unkempt egret
probably the best way to get shinies but getting to that point is a nightmare
sweet crypt
I've been told Endless is also the best way to get vouchers but honestly I just do Classic since Endless is ass
unkempt egret
Neotornado how would you recommend farming egg vouchers
classic mode, running mons without medals gives you... 30 eggs by itself with a full party?
more if the medalless mons have baby forms since you get them for bot
terse pollen
Oh awesome
unkempt egret
daily is also good but you can only do it once per day
sweet crypt
The only time I've ever done Endless is for the achievements
unkempt egret
I had a good endless run set up with the night shade strat but it died to a double normal boss fight on a wave 2000+ boss wave
terse pollen
Oh yeah night shade is probably hella strong in higher levels
unkempt egret
(can't run away from bosses and doubles means you can't master ball em either)
terse pollen
double boss fights mess me up
unkempt egret
yea night shade and seismic toss
with leech seed + salt cure + curse as a backup for normal typed boss fights
terse pollen
Big stall always wins
unkempt egret
in endless the defense tokens stack to the point where any attack that doesn't deal fixed damage becomes irrelevant
terse pollen
Oh fun
lavish dune
Fuckit- ultra sunlocke
terse pollen
Pog
lavish dune
(idk if thats an actual thing i just wanna do an ultra sun nuzlocke)
terse pollen
Usum is pretty cool
lavish dune
litten's name is Flurmp
terse pollen
Definitely a Flurmp
warm rose
unkempt egret
I still need to claim my fabdkabgfFEEESH
tough hatch
I am stuck on this part. the elders block the path to the sprout tower
unkempt egret
ok there we go got the feesh
terse pollen
How do you get shiny chi yu and ting lu now?
unkempt egret
just go online in gen 9 and claim them via mystery gift since we completed the raids
terse pollen
Awesome
unkempt egret
starting to believe that the RNG in the gimmighoul chest only advances when you open it because I don't think I've ever seen it not be the dud result, so if you skip it when it's the KO outcome then it'll always be that outcome until you bite the bullet on it
quasi dagger
don’t know why it took me so long but i finally caught my favorite pokemon as a shiny
smoky gyro
Heres a comment to ruin yalls day
terse pollen
starting to believe that the RNG in the gimmighoul chest only advances when you ...
I don't understand
sweet crypt
starting to believe that the RNG in the gimmighoul chest only advances when you ...
It isn't
You're just unlucky
pastel gull
why did both X and y, and OR/AS have a rival fight RIGHT after myou're brutally beaten up from victory road
guys i have a chance (joke)
Swampert full sweep this is goated
dawg lost to a trainer with 2 beaten pokemon
L
gloomy crane
rustic surge
Heres a comment to ruin yalls day
Yum
unkempt egret
oh uh as a counterpoint to "pokeballs don't mean nothing in pokerogue", if you happen to run into an alcremie in the fairy cave biome it might be worth it to start spamming em if you're not weak to fairy because they can throw out decorate at higher levels lol
got my vappy up to +6 special attack since I wanted the rainbow form rofl
unkempt egret
o well that sure was a strange encounter event
"oh sure I'll take that bibarel"
turns into palkia*
"oh hey I didn't use this master ball on the last two legends..."
delicate hollow
Did you ever found two shiny spinda with the exact same spot pattern?
By the way to anyone asking me ||Am I autistic?||
Yes I am!
brisk hedge
Did you ever found two shiny spinda with the exact same spot pattern?
By the way...
I’ve already had a 1 in a million disease, I don’t need anymore statistically improbable events thank you very much
unkempt egret
heckin come on game don't force me into this choice
four legends/mythicals in one run wow
ok yea there's not a turn where I catch it before I wipe so ice beam OHKO lol
gotta love an item upgrading from great tier to master tier and it ends up being an egg voucher
which is fine, that's 10 pulls
split yoke
carmine swift
unkempt egret
X/Y's is also in the middle of the road from what I remember but X/Y's VR is probably one of the more ruthless in the series in terms of trainers
brisk hedge
why did both X and y, and OR/AS have a rival fight RIGHT after myou're brutally ...
Even worse: X and Y’s is right in the middle, so you still have to fight a boat load of trainers after
sleek jewel
four legends/mythicals in one run wow
How long does it take to shiny hunt
brisk hedge
TBF to ORAS though, Ruby and Sapphire did the exact same thing
unkempt egret
ROFL lorde nothing like one-shotting wave 195 ray with a crit
unkempt egret
How long does it take to shiny hunt
in pokerogue? a while generally speaking
unkempt egret
TBF to ORAS though, Ruby and Sapphire did the exact same thing
yea R/S/OR/AS is near the end, emerald moves it to right at the start
tempted to say X/Y's at least is right near a Chute leading to the entrance so you can head to a pokemon center
brisk hedge
I don’t think it is. Been a while since I’ve done that fight though
unkempt egret
so I kinda bonked up that run and let two medals slip but uh
this is roughly about how much a classic run gets barring 2 very lucky +10 egg vouchers and 2 bought Eevee eggs
terse pollen
Woah mama
How did you pull so many at the same time? I thought with the egg voucher plus you could only do 5 at a time
unkempt egret
each unmedal'ed mon is 5 eggs unless it has a baby mon in which case you get an extra +5
unkempt egret
How did you pull so many at the same time? I thought with the egg voucher plus y...
I generally only do the pulls right after the end of the run so I usually use the tickets that the endgame gauntlet gives you
I think the E4 gives +9 by itself and then the finale gives you +10 so that's +19 there
terse pollen
Oh awesome
unkempt egret
actually let me get the numbers fully
Each gym leader/E4 member gives +1 egg for 10 eggs total (6 gym leaders, 4 E4 members), Champion gives +5 each, and Finishing classic gives +10 for +25 total.
Each unribbon'ed mon gives +5 for a max of +30 barring babies. So barring babies or random vouchers, +55 total
those are also assuming repeats. if it's a new gym leader then +1 becomes +5, a new champion is +10 instead of +5, and clearing classic mode for the first time is +25 instead of +10
terse pollen
So you get less egg vouchers the more you do Classic? That's a bummer
unkempt egret
vouchers can also show up as wave rewards with +1 being great tier, +5 being rogue tier, and +10 being master tier (this is also true for endless)
visual saddle
Anybody here got a copy of Sword and willing to help me with the exclusives? I've got Shield and that's about where I'm at left, currently.
unkempt egret
I have shield sorry about that
and kinda yea but +25-55 is still pretty decent
let me check endless
terse pollen
This is very sad
unkempt egret
endless is +5 every 50 waves except for the 5th which gives +10
so every 250 waves in endless is +30 eggs
brisk hedge
I have shield and lack an NSO subscription 
unkempt egret
you can also buy eggs if you've fully upgraded a pokemon but that takes a long time to get all of the candy needed
nova marlin
Phew. I did it
unkempt egret
dang this was literally the first wave I could have gotten this lol
unkempt egret
late but imo in terms of things I personally deem worthless in pokerogue I don't think I've ever willingly picked up a Lure outside of very lategame endless mode
since doubles are usually something to avoid not encourage rofl
terse pollen
I guess maybe if you're really desperate for xp?
terse pollen
They should add a Doubles only option to Challenge mode
unkempt egret
that would be a nice addition
unkempt egret
FINALLY
I've had the dang eevee since wave ONE.
got offered max mushrooms and the eviolite twice before a thunderstone
well I was gonna say jolteon's kinda terrible but floor 181 was a solid and dropped an alluring voice TM
...against kanto's E4
lavish dune
how do encounters...work in alola? do different titles mean different routes, or is like 10 minutes of route 7 with 8 different encounter tables just route 7
unkempt egret
as funny as Iron Crown would be as a start it is a 7 cost....
oh huh they changed unown's passive from Pickup to Beast Boost
frick it we ride we die
eevee is literally just there so I can feed it candies and get candies in return
lavish dune
i want to get a shiny darumaka
terse pollen
Shiny iron crown is crazy
lavish dune
i LOVE darmanitan
lavish dune
man one of my few blue shinies is a god damn BURMY
terse pollen
😭 that's rip
noble zealot
Grookey is my only good shiny, so I feel your pain.
The others are crap like Munna, Wurmple, or Cubchoo.
lavish dune
ok i fw dustox tho
cubchoo's only real problem is evolving late, no?
besides being an ice type i guess
unkempt egret
burmy's nice for challenges at least since you can throw it into five difference type runs (Bug, Grass, Ground, Steel, and Flying)
lavish dune
BRUH I AINT EVEN WON ONCE YET, IDGAF ABOUT CHALLENGES 
-# im already plenty challenged
unkempt egret
oh my spliced endless run is starting to breathe now, even though I probably fudged it hard by forgetting you need to unfuse shedinja before you splice it
lavish dune
oh my spliced endless run is starting to _breathe_ now, even though I probably f...
you, person with an icon that reminds me of cartman from southpark for some reason, what is your egg vibe
unkempt egret
uh I caught a skitty but those are only in normal eggs
unkempt egret
clefable with the movepool to give mew a run for its money
lavish dune
ok, no shinies, but good wailmer IVs so he'll be viable when the shiny comes
god i hope its blue/red shinies are beach balls
oh fuck which do i catch in this situation??
neither, i got nervous
terse pollen
Damn
lavish dune
beedrill is an apex preadator in space
THOUSAND ARROWS ONE SHOT CRIT FUCK YEAH BEEDRILL
i have... never seen that before
terse pollen
Damn Beedrill strong
noble zealot
🔥🔥🔥
terse pollen
W
sweet crypt
oh huh they changed unown's passive from Pickup to Beast Boost
It depends on the Unown form
Each letter of Unown is a different passive
sweet crypt
Annihilape is quite a strong Pokemon, which I'd imagine you're aware of if you use it in most of your runs
noble zealot
Yep.
lavish dune
...its incredibly weird to see you alone
terse pollen
Bro Lusamine has ||two ultra beasts and a necrozma|| wtf
terse pollen
...its incredibly weird to see you alone
hes weaker on his own beat him up
lavish dune
isnt that the girl?
i would greatly appreciate a moon and/or leaf stone
thank you
terse pollen
isnt that the girl?
Oh yeah
I hope you get something good from the legendary egg
I think I've gotten one from the shiny up and it wasn't shiny and it was a Calyrex it was very sad
lavish dune
atta boy
noble zealot
Noice! Got one from the egg gacha myself just now (though it was from the one with an increased legendary chance).
Speaking of which, how does Lugia fare in Rogue?
noble zealot
No worries.
modern oar
i have... never seen that before
Special form of Revavroom specific to the team star bosses.
noble zealot
That just happened to be the legend with an increased chance atm.
lavish dune
Special form of Revavroom specific to the team star bosses.
thats both cool and incredibly lame
modern oar
thats both cool and incredibly lame
It's probably the only thing I like in the Operation Starfall story.
lavish dune
ive never played S/V so
modern oar
ive never played S/V so
Scarlet and Violet aren't that great.
lavish dune
i havent played past sw/sh
modern oar
That is perfectly fine.
lavish dune
who gave chikorita an axe
terse pollen
Chikorita's had enough of people calling it the worst Johto starter
lavish dune
this is what all those sets of no shinies were building up to
lavish dune
its so pretty
that wild gengar was a DICK, it put a curse on its partner drapion and subsequently killed itself
lethal scaffold
2 shinys from 10 raids today
honest chasm
Hi, just bought a 3ds and i'm about to start a pokemon X playtrough. I wanted to trade evolve a pokemon and aparently i would need a second 3ds for that. I was testing PkHex to evolve a Gengar, is this the accurate setting? like this trainer "Lucas" trade back my evolved Gengar to me.
willow shadow
I love pokemon x
modern oar
Hi, just bought a 3ds and i'm about to start a pokemon X playtrough. I wanted to...
The OT of the Gengar would be your OT since you caught it initially.
supple basalt
I want to love X and Y but it has the second worst evil team (even if Lysandre is unhinged lol) and it has the stupid roller skates. I hate them so much LET ME RUN NORMALLY
It also has the worst squad of rivals
unkempt egret
oh well that's the first time I've been put in an outright unwinnable situation in pokerogue before outside of endless
rival got a quaquaval as their starter in my mono-ice run... when only 2/6 of my pokemon count as ice type
might wanna just reset if they get a non-grass starter next time lol (the enemy team was also Magma which didn't bode well)
I keep forgetting Seel isn't water/ice because Spheal actually is water/ice
supple basalt
rival got a quaquaval as their starter in my mono-ice run... when only 2/6 of my...
Qua is part fighting type also and don't forget some pokemon get good type diversity
unkempt egret
seel was literally one level away from evolving too, shame
supple basalt
*move diversity, not type
unkempt egret
I mean when my carry is chien-pao there's no shot rofl
supple basalt
Doesn't Chien Pao get Freeze Dry?
wet stratus
I keep forgetting Seel isn't water/ice because _Spheal_ actually is water/ice
and seel also becomes water/ice on evo. not confusing at all 
unkempt egret
no
supple basalt
Or am I wrong
unkempt egret
either way if I'm not one-shotting it I get one-shot back by low sweep
I can survive a hit with intimidate but with only ice/dark moves I'm not one or two-shotting rofl
supple basalt
It can learn Psychic Fangs too
unkempt egret
didn't have it at that point (wave 55)
sweet crypt
Doesn't Chien Pao get Freeze Dry?
With Chien-Pao's frankly pathetic SpA, it is unlikely to have it even if it could learn it
supple basalt
I figured I was just looking at how diverse its moveset is cause I've never used it lol
sweet crypt
Since why use a Special Attack when you hit incomprehensibly harder physically
And it wouldn't KO anyways
unkempt egret
ok going to select swinub as my other shiny so I at least have two swaps and not one
supple basalt
With Chien-Pao's frankly pathetic SpA, it is unlikely to have it even if it coul...
Psychic Fangs is physical
sweet crypt
Psychic Fangs is physical
TM move, so they probably just didn't get it in time
supple basalt
(See: Anyone who tries to build a special gyrados)
sweet crypt
It can learn Psychic Fangs too
Also wait is that the TM number or actual level up
supple basalt
Also wait is that the TM number or actual level up
TM
sweet crypt
Alright just checking
unkempt egret
wasn't there also one of palmer's pokemon that was like a rhyperior with four special moves
sweet crypt
Even if it was level I think 63 would be too high
supple basalt
Holy wow also Chien Pao has like zero move diversity
sweet crypt
Anyways I have no doubts a Chien Pao could OHKO a Quaquaval with Psychic Fangs
unkempt egret
checks* it had rock wrecker but otherwise correct
sweet crypt
Holy wow also Chien Pao has like zero move diversity
Kinda usually doesn't even need it in Competitive
unkempt egret
not that it needs move diversity when its two STAB moves are runaway strong in most cases
sweet crypt
Since the Pokemon that would resist it aren't relevant
unkempt egret
(see also: Pecharunt)
sweet crypt
Also, as a side note
252 Atk Choice Band Sword of Ruin Tera Dark Chien-Pao Crunch vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Quaquaval: 197-232 (63.3 - 74.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
supple basalt
With Chien-Pao's frankly pathetic SpA, it is unlikely to have it even if it coul...
Also it's special attack isn't so horrible it couldn't utilize special in specific situations
sweet crypt
Also it's special attack isn't so horrible it couldn't utilize special in specif...
It really shouldn't though, since Sword of Ruin boosts its effective Attack by a lot
You're doing like 1.25× more physical damage with it so you basically have like 160+ Attack
supple basalt
I know. I think on some mons I've kept like one special attack to utilize if it's truly needed but it hurts my soul to keep something not good for its stats on it
unkempt egret
charmander/fletchling on attempt #2
sweet crypt
charmander/fletchling on attempt #2
The game does not want you to beat Mono Ice
unkempt egret
rofl
sweet crypt
I think Chien Pao could dish out enough damage to OHKO both though
supple basalt
Probably. Idk. In the newer games EV training is so incredibly easy, especially when tera raids can get you so much money so you can stuff your pokemon full of medicine
unkempt egret
makes sense since ice loses to 2/3rds of the starter trio
sweet crypt
And it certainly is faster than both as well
unkempt egret
not as much money as gen 8's The Loop though
sweet crypt
What are your egg moves on Chien Pao rn
sweet crypt
As in, you have all those?
Because if you can get a +attack nature and a few extra levels on Charizard you can OHKO with Taxel (and other ways to boost damage are nice too)
And by the 2nd fight with Zard you should have other stuff for Fire I'd imagine
You can also try getting Rain set up for the Wave 25 fight
Via the Lake
Though Chien-Pao may be able to beat that fight without that
sweet crypt
Talonflame is a problem with Flame Body though
sweet crypt
Chien-Pao slams both
unkempt egret
macro cosmos as the team this time
sweet crypt
macro cosmos as the team this time
Well that's bad
devout crag
wish i had some1 to play cobblemon with
unkempt egret
ok yea rival isn't an issue
good thing I picked tera dark at the start
also took until wave 152 for an ice stone to show up lorde eevee is trash in monotype if you aren't lucky with that
devout crag
dang
unkempt egret
there we go rose gone
glaceon somehow took out the opening arch on his own which was impressive
FRICK
because I used no retreat I unavoidably lose both my wide lens and a soul dew
dang magician
unkempt egret
oh I didn't even notice that glaceon blows itself up with its eevee move rofl
since it's clearing No Retreat's boosts
sweet crypt
Whoops
warped blade
Is there anyone in the pokemon empyrean discord?
and could possibly invite me because i have a question for them
simple vigil
Finally got around to beating the Elite 4 in my Nova Red playthrough. There’s a definite difficulty spike at the Elite 4 so I had to grind Victory Road a bit
unkempt egret
also just finished marking out every mon in pokerogue that has tier 2/3 shinies so I kno which ones are worth grinding for eggs on
terse pollen
Bro Geeta has a ||Miraidon|| I'm beyond cooked
sweet crypt
Bro Geeta has a ||Miraidon|| I'm beyond cooked
Hardest Champion in Pokerogue if I'm being honest
terse pollen
I was doing so well
sweet crypt
If you can beat Geeta you can probably beat any other champion
This team is batshit insane
terse pollen
its joever
sweet crypt
Miraidon, Tera Flying Kingambit, lead Glimmora, Baxcalibur
terse pollen
This team is batshit insane
If Geeta actually locked in there would be no need for other champions in Paldea
sweet crypt
She also has one of the Kalos Starters
||Which means there's a non zero chance those become their Mega Variant once ZA releases and the Mega Kalos Starters are added||
Sadly I'm pretty sure her Espathra is locked to never have Speed Boost
Well, sadly for me wanting her to have 6/6 crazy Pokemon for the lols
terse pollen
Bro imagine
sweet crypt
Thankfully for anyone who's in early-mid game
sweet crypt
While I'd say Geeta is the toughest Champion, I think the toughest gauntlet is the Blueberry Academy one
But I haven't fought all of the new Elite 4 enough to tell
sweet crypt
Oh they're in the game?
Yes, Champion is always Kieran
terse pollen
I wonder if Kieran has an Ogerpon or Pecharunt
sweet crypt
The other 2 Gen 9 Champions are a 50/50
sweet crypt
I wonder if Kieran has an Ogerpon or Pecharunt
He has Ogerpon and Terapagos
terse pollen
Oh sick
sweet crypt
Ogerpon always Terastalises iirc
terse pollen
Awesome sauce
terse pollen
At least Geeta has a banging theme
sweet crypt
That Miraidon is one of the most threatening, if not the most threatening non-Mega Rayquaza Pokemon any trainer can have
terse pollen
That Miraidon is one of the most threatening, if not the most threatening non-Me...
Scarier than Rayquaza if you ask me
sweet crypt
And to be completely transparent that's mainly because it doesn't have 4 healthbars
If it did it'd be on par
terse pollen
Seriously
sweet crypt
That speed is absolutely lethal
And funnily enough if you're doing your own Mega Rayquaza run I could see Miraidon being a run ender if you're for some reason trying to run a special set
If you're running a physical set just run Ddance Ddarts lmao
But I see a lot of people glazing specifically Oblivion Wing Rayquaza
So clearly that isn't as common as one would assume
Which is strange since I absolutely believe Ddance is better
terse pollen
I'm not a big fan of set up in pokerogue personally
sweet crypt
Personally, everything starts to feel too weak when I don't use setup lmao
Well, unless that thing is incomprehensibly built different in the damage department
Like uhh
Rising Voltage Miraidon
primal lynx
primal lynx
honestly dexxit is a blessing in disguise
primal lynx
I have no clue what Dexxit is btw lol
its a term for gen 8 being the first in the series to not have all previous pokemon
but this lead to xerneas not being in gen 9 (screw that overgrown deer)
supple basalt
Yeah I hate not having access to them all. Though as bad as that is, it's nothing compared to what's happening with the new legends game
primal lynx
Yeah I hate not having access to them all. Though as bad as that is, it's nothin...
like with the price and dlc?
supple basalt
No
Once a pokemon has been transferred INTO Legends ZA, it can't be transferred back to previous generations
It's. So stupid
primal lynx
Once a pokemon has been transferred INTO Legends ZA, it can't be transferred bac...
so basically if i transferred a fletchling into za from sv, it cant go back to sv
supple basalt
Yep
primal lynx
crazy
supple basalt
I like to move my pokemon between games, especially if I need something from a different game briefly. So I hate ZA taking away that freedom
primal lynx
I like to move my pokemon between games, especially if I need something from a d...
its probably because za uses completely different data from the mainline games because of how stuff like moves, abilities, etc work in battle
and home cant translate that data
supple basalt
Legends Arceus does too
You can still transfer pokemon from Bank to Home and use them in S/V
terse pollen
Personally, everything starts to feel too weak when I don't use setup lmao
The problem for me is because the AI actually swaps in Pokerogue if I try to set up I just get put in a bad matchup against another pokemon
So I just try to predict swaps and slowly chip away instead of setting up and sweeping
brisk hedge
its a term for gen 8 being the first in the series to not have all previous poke...
Actually, the first main series game to not have all previous generation Pokémon was Let’s Go. But if you’re talking Pokémon games in general, tons of spin-offs didn’t have all the Pokémon
primal lynx
Actually, the first main series game to not have all previous generation Pokémon...
nobody cares about lgpe though
lets be honest
brisk hedge
Once a pokemon has been transferred INTO Legends ZA, it can't be transferred bac...
That’s how cross-Gen transfer worked in Gens 4 & 5 too TBF
brisk hedge
nobody cares about lgpe though
I care that it’s absolute ass
sweet crypt
So I just try to predict swaps and slowly chip away instead of setting up and sw...
OK but if you're strong enough, you OHKO your "bad" MUs
terse pollen
True but also you have to remember that I'm bad at the game
sweet crypt
Fair, fair
supple basalt
That’s how cross-Gen transfer worked in Gens 4 & 5 too TBF
I didn't use bank to transfer between NEARLY as much as I do Home.
So I actually didn't know that
But still makes zero sense for it to be preventing transfer to older titles because it pulls different data for movesets and such happen in ZA when Legends Arceus, again, does the exact same thing in using different data. I may be dumb or insane or both lol but I guess it seems odd to me idk
unkempt egret
dang is G-moltres's speed stat just bad or is mine just bad rofl
since I'm getting outsped by things like kleavor
sweet crypt
since I'm getting outsped by things like _kleavor_
Kleavor has a Speed stat of 85, quite good. That said, G-Molt should have a speed stat of 90, so yours is skill issue
Get a better G-Molt
Because that one is very clearly stupid
Kleavor is pretty fucking fast for having massive axes for hands
unkempt egret
only 5 points apart yea
also I think I've only hatched moltres like once so probably yea skill issue on this bird's part
sweet crypt
But yeah the galarian birds are kinda bad
Also, I disagree, G-Molt and G-Zap are definitely worth if you have their unlocks
G-Articuno though? Yeahhhhh
unkempt egret
this one has roost and that's it lol
sweet crypt
Hey, it's better than base Articuno at least!
unkempt egret
I mean it's making it easy to repeatedly proc Berserk
terse pollen
I feel like most pokemon are worth if you have their unlocks
sweet crypt
I feel like most pokemon are worth if you have their unlocks
Fair, but they with that logic like 90% of Legendaries are bad
Because they're just too darn expensive to justify their performance
terse pollen
Honestly kinda
sweet crypt
You'd need an extremely strong Legendary or one that is cost efficient for them to be good
terse pollen
Until you get their unlocks they're not that good
Once you get their unlocks though they become beasts
sweet crypt
Until you get their unlocks they're not that good
Some of them, yeah
But Pokemon like Miraidon, Eternatus and Kyogre kinda just
Don't need unlocks
At all
Well, apart from unlocking them
terse pollen
Fair enough
Eternatus you can only catch after you've gotten every other starter right
sweet crypt
Can you get it from an egg?
Nope
terse pollen
Wow
terse pollen
I mean at that point you've kinda beaten the game at that point
If you already have every starter
sweet crypt
Kinda yeah
But if you decide to continue playing for fun, Eternatus doesn't disappoint as the best starter for Classic despite being a 10 cost
Being a 10 cost does not matter if you can solo the game
It's just win VS win but smoother
terse pollen
Does it even have good starting moves?
unkempt egret
that being said it's also just
terse pollen
Most legendaries don't start with anything good without their egg moves
unkempt egret
explode tablet
sweet crypt
Does it even have good starting moves?
On one hand, the moves use the weaker attacking stat, but on the other they have high BP for how early you get them
sweet crypt
I'd definitely say that the movepool is capable of holding up overall
terse pollen
Awesome
sweet crypt
The endgoal of an Eternatus run is to get a Max Mushroom
Once you do so, the only way for you to lose is to forget to click Recover like 5 turns in a row and instead clicking resisted moves and only resisted moves
Which in that case how the hell did you even get Eternatus in the first place lmao
terse pollen
Wait you can Eternamax Eternatus in this game??
sweet crypt
Wait you can Eternamax Eternatus in this game??
Yup
terse pollen
Wtf
sweet crypt
Even without it, it's a pretty good carry all things considered and should make the game pretty smooth
And the egg moves? Broken
It gets Nasty Plot and Dragon Energy that's pretty much all you need to know
Also gets Neutralising Gas
So let's say your opponent sends out a Golem
And wants to click Earthquake
Well, you just OHKO them
Because you just removed their Sturdy
unkempt egret
wave 147 for the leaf stone this time
at least that one was for a shiftry that i just caught to have a sixth dark type
sweet crypt
Unfortunate doesn't begin to describe that
unkempt egret
"I fricking had you" ~me to the eevee that's evolving into an espeon about two waves after umbreon's time passed
rose's poor dracovish ROFL
has been sent out last both times and just barreled over
oh yea we bouncin'
unkempt egret
B-?
terse pollen
Very nice
sweet crypt
It's hard to build a team around it
It's simple actually, Step 1: Get Quiver Dance and Levitate and Step 2: Win
lavish dune
how do encounters...work in alola? do different titles mean different routes, or is like 10 minutes of route 7 with 8 different encounter tables just route 7 (this is a repeat question, I never got an answer before)
sweet crypt
how do encounters...work in alola? do different titles mean different routes, or...
It depends on how much you hate yourself
If you hate yourself enough you take the rules too seriously
And now have to 1v1 a trainer with the starter that is strong vs yours
If you don't hate yourself you'd have like 2 or 3 Pokemon by that point
lavish dune
It's simple actually, Step 1: Get Quiver Dance and Levitate and Step 2: Win
Already got levitate, hatching the red shiny gave me 40 fuckin candies
sweet crypt
And now have to 1v1 a trainer with the starter that is strong vs yours
(If you're playing a Hardcore Nuzlocke you kinda just lose there)
unkempt egret
alola is very much not nuzlocke friendly in multiple ways rofl
lavish dune
I think I'll go by distinct encounters for the first island at least, get a kickoff before I die.
sweet crypt
Get Zorua or toxic stall and sacrifice like 5 Pokemon for Unec
And not to mention like
Almost every other totem
lavish dune
Small thing, is golurk in alola?
unkempt egret
at the very least if you're playing just base SM you don't have to worry about Ulnec
lavish dune
Probably not
sweet crypt
Small thing, is golurk in alola?
I dunno
lavish dune
And are qr code encounters bad practice
unkempt egret
yes but only in ultra sun
unkempt egret
And are qr code encounters bad practice
no they should be fine
lavish dune
at the very least if you're playing just base SM you don't have to worry about U...
But then I don't get to dick around in warp ride
unkempt egret
especially since as I found out in one run uh they aren't 100% rofl
lavish dune
yes but only in ultra sun
Fuck yeah that's the one I'm doing
sweet crypt
For reference as to how much you're just forced to Toxic stall vs Necrozma if you don't have Zoroark, Bisharp resists or is immune to all of Necrozma's moves and gets easily 2HKOd
unkempt egret
was going for a Spheal in one run and got Pyukumuku'ed instead
sweet crypt
Like it isn't even close
lavish dune
Oh I love pyukumuku
unkempt egret
which I went with it and OHKO'ed totem lurantis with a well-placed counter which was hilarious
sweet crypt
which I went with it and OHKO'ed totem lurantis with a well-placed counter which...
Gaming
unkempt egret
turns out having your only move as counter isn't much of an issue when a lot of big bosses are physical from that point on
and once they start getting special again is about when you get access to Toxic
lavish dune
Pyukumuku is the secret middle evo between wynaut and wobbafett
unkempt egret
kinda like X/Y furfrou in once it stops dealing decent damage is about when you get Cotton Guard
sweet crypt
I keep putting off the USUM run because I do not feel like grinding runs only to lose to Araquanid in like 50% of them
Genuinely that Araquanid fight has me shaking in my fucking boots
lavish dune
Gotta hope I find a birb
unkempt egret
yea when I did gen 7 for my run I did S/M
and there's a reason why I kept my ruleset for that gen somewhat tame compared to the others
(could only use pokemon with the types of poison, dark, or a random type of my choice which ended up being fairy)
meanwhile on my endless mode run
what are the heckin odds on this encounter
covert fiber
||what a cool mega leak||
lime forum
unkempt egret
there we go set up complete
and now I ball
also found a wonder guard fusion with a decent typing (electric) so until I find a ghost/dark or ghost/fairy one then im ballin
terse pollen
Rotototototomor
quasi dagger
i’m the luckiest human being alive
i didn’t even know 2 shinies could spawn at once
quasi dagger
yep
terse pollen
Nice stuff
quasi dagger
helps significantly for the shiny living dex i'm attempting
quasi dagger
after adding the growlithe line im put at 52/226
so a lot of grinding left
excluding legendaries and mythicals
quasi dagger
i think its going to be more difficult at the end because of rarer pokemon like porygon
and 8 eevees
smoky gyro
**and now I ball**
Does that special form flabebe have boosted stats or something?
Or was it floette, I dont remember the name of the first 2 evos
noble zealot
Floette is the one.
And yes, Eternal Floette is much stronger than regular Floette.
It actually hits harder than Florges does, for that matter.
smoky gyro
Espathra is fair and balanced
unkempt egret
Stored Power Moment
devout crag
i’m the luckiest human being alive
wish i could keep playing it but my emulator decided to become a trash can and drop my fps
devout crag
Espathra is fair and balanced
do u use stored power by any chance
smoky gyro
Of course
smoky gyro
Calm mind+speed boost
smoky gyro
Cause it increases stored power base power
smoky gyro
I love how tinkerton is just Hammer
devout crag
he covering the other one
lol
i hate whirlwind teams
oof
hit a freeze
i just hit a predict twice in a row
holy goat gliscor tanked ice fang😭
hes so fucking goated
bro tanked gigaton hammers like its nothin😭
wait actually how did he tank it
my dumbass got the wrong evs😭
devout crag
yes
smoky gyro
I forgot the name of the other one
devout crag
Zenta is more bulky, the other one is more offensive
zenta's atk isnt smth to sleep on
sweet crypt
Zenta is more bulky, the other one is more offensive
Zamazenta still hits hard in an IU context
Ice Fang is just a garbage move
And nobody in mid to high ladder uses it for a reason
smoky gyro
Its like 75 bp right
smoky gyro
Okay yeah thats actually bad
sweet crypt
Absolutely abysmal move
Nobody uses even Ice Punch
But even that's a much better move than Ice Fang
smoky gyro
Hey hitmonchan uses it
...in randbats
sweet crypt
Anyways, real answer
Gliscor's a fucking tanky fucker
Extremely good Defence and serviceable HP
Ofc it isn't like Toxapex level
But it also has more HP than Toxapex
Who genuinely just has a bad HP stat
So I'd imagine their physical bulk is similar
Ice Fang is also a weak move
smoky gyro
Pex is good purely cause regenerator
sweet crypt
Pex is good purely cause regenerator
That kinda just isn't true
smoky gyro
Thats also like one of the only reasons why ammonguss is good
open condor
GUYS
smoky gyro
That and god moves
open condor
YALL WONT BELIEVE THIS
sweet crypt
It has a great defensive type to go along with its great bulk, good set of moves and Regenerator
open condor
THIS WAS LITERALLY MY SECOND RUN
sweet crypt
THIS WAS LITERALLY MY SECOND RUN
Gaming
open condor
AAAAAAAAAAAAAA
smoky gyro
Nice
open condor
HOWWWWW
sweet crypt
In older gens before the Recover nerf and it losing Scald, Toxapex was a real OU powerhouse, and even now it still has its niche
open condor
I think I have uh dumped all my luck on this one encounter 😢
sweet crypt
A bit unfortunate the shiny was on Spinarak and not Bidoof since Bibarel is quite a lot better than Ariados but we take those
unkempt egret
"bastiodon with a better type, ability, and most importantly: Recover"
before gen 9 not having some form of a recover clone as a wall was almost an instant turn-off on the spot unless you also had some other means of reliable healing like giga drain or regenerator
sweet crypt
before gen 9 not having some form of a recover clone as a wall was almost an ins...
Giga Drain is not reliable in the slightest
And not having any form of reliable healing is far from an auto turnoff
Ferrothorn was strong enough to perform great not just in OU but in Ubers too
Its only way of healing is Leech Seed
Which is NOT reliable
Because like
The opponent switches out and now you heal nothing
(And Rest but Rest is universal)
But you do need to be something very exceptional to get away with not having reliable recovery as a defensive Pokemon
Y'know, like having effective 155/125/125 bulk
modern oar
Ferrothorn was strong enough to perform great not just in OU but in Ubers too
I assume you're talking about singles?
sweet crypt
I assume you're talking about singles?
Yeah
Not sure how defensive mons work in Doubles
Since I mostly play Singles
modern oar
Since it doesn't work as well in doubles, but I believe still was used.
sweet crypt
So if I'm talking about Competitive, I'm talking about Competitive Singles
Mr Effective 155/125/125 bulk did see usage in VGC though to my knowledge
modern oar
Very bulky mons need redirecting moves usually.
modern oar
Mr Effective 155/125/125 bulk did see usage in VGC though to my knowledge
Yeah, that did happen at some point in sword and shield I believe.
sweet crypt
Yeah, that did happen at some point in sword and shield I believe.
Wait who are you referring to
Because I'm referring to Ting-Lu here
modern oar
Ferrothorn I believe was used in VGC for a time, but not very long.
sweet crypt
Ferrothorn I believe was used in VGC for a time, but not very long.
Ferrothorn does NOT have 155/125/125 effective bulk though
modern oar
I don't fully remember though, so I may be wrong.
modern oar
Ferrothorn does NOT have 155/125/125 effective bulk though
I don't know its stats so that doesn't help.
sweet crypt
If Ferrothorn had 155/125/125 bulk it'd be banned from OU
modern oar
(I don't know the stats of almost every mon)
modern oar
Less than half of Ting-Lu's
Ting-Lu Fissure was actually a strat in VGC for a while.
sweet crypt
That sounds profoundly miserable
wild ore
Take?
sweet crypt
Take?
What moves do you have on your Pokemon?
A lot of people consider Multi Lens as instant takes
But me personally, I only find myself considering it useful if there's a secondary effect on one of my moves that is positive
Since I need the full 100% damage to OHKO Pokemon through their shields
modern oar
That sounds profoundly miserable
It was either Ting-Lu OHKOed your Pokemon with Fissure or KOed them anyway with Stomping Tantrum.
sweet crypt
Otherwise I risk raising their Defence through boss bars
wild ore
sweet crypt
It was either Ting-Lu OHKOed your Pokemon with Fissure or KOed them anyway with ...
Yup, definitely sounds miserable
sweet crypt
You could probably use it on Venusaur to fish for Malignant Chain Badly Poisoned
Raises the odds from 50% to 75%
wild ore
Uh huh
modern oar
Yup, definitely sounds miserable
I never played during that time luckily.(I still don't play VGC)
wild ore
So do I skip or do I give it to venasaur
sweet crypt
So do I skip or do I give it to venasaur
Nothing else there that I'd take, give it to Venusaur
sweet crypt
As miserable as I find Gen 9 OU right now, having to deal with OHKO moves sounds even more miserable
"Instantly lose a Pokemon 30% of the time if you don't have a Flying type" does NOT sound fun
Especially since Ting-Lu has the type of bulk that tanks literally any move of the category it is EVd into
modern oar
You lose your Pokemon anyway if Fissure doesn't hit since the increased power of Stomping Tantrum is a lot.
sweet crypt
This mf could probably tank Specs Kyurem Blizzard
Or Banded Zamazenta CC
Fuck, it probably tanks even Chi-Yu Sun Boosted Overheat if it doesn't Terastalise
modern oar
Zamazenta uses Body Press in VGC.
sweet crypt
But there's no way it'd tank Overheat with Tera considering how this is a move that OHKOs Blissey
sweet crypt
Zamazenta uses Body Press in VGC.
Yeah but nobody is running Banded Body Press
And Banded CC would be stronger
modern oar
It's always in its crowned form using Body Press, and maybe even Iron Defense.
unkempt egret
"hyper beam but 100% accurate and the recharge turn has a 30% chance of instead being a OHKO"
sweet crypt
It's always in its crowned form using Body Press, and maybe even Iron Defense.
Crowned form is also banned in Singles
modern oar
I'm talking about the VGC usage of some mons.
sweet crypt
In fact, Zamazenta and Kyurem are the only box art legendaries that are allowed in OU
And uhh
Yeah no they're both broken
unkempt egret
also multi lens in pokerogue yea I usually either fish for flinches or making stat-raising/lowering moves do that but more (mud slap for instance) since the drop in damage is very noticable
modern oar
Similar to how I was talking about Ting-Lu in VGC.
sweet crypt
These are definitely 2 Pokemon that the playerbase considers suspect testing
And I think that's enough proof that anyone thinking Lugia or Solgaleo in OU would be fine are clowns
unkempt egret
maybe if you had Magician too so you could swipe more items
also yea there's a very hard line between any form of ubers and OU
sweet crypt
"Nah we have Kingambit it's fine" mfs when Solgaleo and Lugia can literally 1v1 Kingambit if they wanted to
unkempt egret
so even stuff that are Ubers Unusable like reshiram or deoxys-N are still far out of line for OU
sweet crypt
If a Psychic Type can 1v1 motherfucking Kingambit it shouldn't be in OU
Well unless it's like idk
Psychic/Fighting
Which in that case yeah no shit right
252+ Atk Supreme Overlord 5 allies fainted Tera Dark Kingambit Sucker Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Gallade: 368-434 (132.8 - 156.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Nevermind pretend I said nothing
modern oar
And I think that's enough proof that anyone thinking Lugia or Solgaleo in OU wou...
I don't play singles much at all, so I don't think I would know much about that unofficial metagame.(The singles formats are still valid, I just am saying they're not the official formats)
modern oar
252+ Atk Supreme Overlord 5 allies fainted Tera Dark Kingambit Sucker Punch vs. ...
Gallade is not physically bulky though.
sweet crypt
Gallade is not physically bulky though.
Yeah but like OHKOing a Pokemon with a neutral priority move is generally pretty crazy
252+ Atk Supreme Overlord 5 allies fainted Kingambit Sucker Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Gallade: 276-325 (99.6 - 117.3%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO
Tera is also kinda like
Not even necessary