I could be wrong on that but I know it's probably 2
#other-pokemon-games
unkempt egret
sweet crypt
Guzma technically has 0 if you don't count Mythicals or UBs as Legendaries
wild ore
I SWITCH IN VENASAUR AGAINST A THE ROCK BUG THING AND IT JUST DIES
now I gotta refresh my browser bro
unkempt egret
Guzma technically has 0 if you don't count Mythicals or UBs as Legendaries
I count both so yea two lol
sweet crypt
But he does have Genesect, Buzzwole and Xurkitree
wild ore
Wh-
unkempt egret
"they have 560+ BST unless he's running in with a phione or a calyrex which would be funny but"
wild ore
What?…
sweet crypt
Iirc, Guzma on 165 has...
Golisopod (Boss)
Genesect (Boss)
Xurkitree
Buzzwole
Mega Scizor/Mega Pinsir
Crawdaunt/Hisuian Samurott
wild ore
WHAT
OK BRING IT ON IVY
Oh fuck I forgot she had gholdengo
I can get a. Free earth power
unkempt egret
hmmm
you can also bait it into using Good as Gold Make it Rain and nerfing itself into a set-up opportunity if it has that
unkempt egret
hm not sure
wild ore
Rock blast and shell smash just ohko her inteleon
unkempt egret
sweet crypt
Rock blast and shell smash just ohko her inteleon
How much does it do in terms of damage?
I'd imagine a Tera Water Hydro Pump or something wouldn't exactly be nice to get hit by
sweet crypt
I outsped
Yeah but it'd have had a turn as you used Shell Smash
Unless it was switching in
In that case yeah no L bozo
Rest in piss
wild ore
Yes it was switching from ray ray
wild ore
Ohko her electavire
I predict I sweep now
Hopefully
I outspeed ray ray
YES I OUTSPEED
GET FUCKED RAY
unkempt egret
I forget is it possible for ray to have a reviver seed
wild ore
No
unkempt egret
I recall that happened in one run and I had to restart because of it
sweet crypt
Money
wild ore
Yea I took that
sweet crypt
I forget is it possible for ray to have a reviver seed
Definitely at least once in the past
I once had the rival pull up with a Reviver Seed on Rayquaza on 195
Nearly ended the run with that
wild ore
Damn
sweet crypt
I think another Pokemon ended up stealing one of my Reviver Seeds with a Grip Claw
wild ore
Kool
sweet crypt
Since then I've never picked the Reviver Seed ever
wild ore
Why
wild ore
I’ve had some clutches bc of it
sweet crypt
And usually I wouldn't have died either ways
So I just maybe will give the opponent an extra life
And get nothing in return
sweet crypt
YES I OUTSPEED
Pro tip: If you outspeed Inteleon, you outspeed Mega Ray (and base Ray)
wild ore
Oh cool
But who should I trade away gallade for
Togtekiss
Heracross
Or kinggambit
unkempt egret
Because if it gets stolen, you get fucked
I usually take it and blow it on 195 to mega ray so I can get one final attack off rofl but I can see that
sweet crypt
I usually take it and blow it on 195 to mega ray so I can get one final attack o...
I kinda just beat Mega Ray's ass in 1 hit after setting up a shitton
wild ore
Togekiss or king gambit?
sweet crypt
Kingambit's probably the strongest of the bunch
Though generally I don't find myself using non starters too often nowadays
wild ore
sweet crypt
Since I've unlocked quite a lot by now
wild ore
My team rn
sweet crypt
Can the trade mons have egg moves actually?
wild ore
Idk
sweet crypt
If so you ABSOLUTELY should gamble on Kingambit
sweet crypt
defiant too
The funny part is that in the context of Single Battles, that's the WEAKER of the 2 base abilities
Kingambit just happens to be one of the few Pokemon gifted with multiple great abilities, like Reuniclus, Sigilyph and Clefable, except both of Kingambit's better abilities are its base ones
Yanmega too
wild ore
Dawg
My fourth master ball tier item
@sweet crypt
Ima lose my shit if I don’t find a shiny or legendary
unkempt egret
sometimes ya just don't lol
terse pollen
Well on the bright side having high luck increases legendary bosses I think 
wild ore
I have A-
lavish dune
aight, ive taken a break, this is gonna be the winning run i feel it
terse pollen
I believe 🙏
lavish dune
ok
solemn laurel
I hate not being able to get shinies from PokeRogue. Only found one. And it was in a trainer battle
terse pollen
I didn't even know trainers could have shinies
lavish dune
ive run into 2 trainer shinies
terse pollen
That's crazy
lavish dune
one was norman's vigoroth, a shiny slaking would be awesome
unkempt egret
I remember one of the april fools day events just gave the trainers nothing but shinies
sweet crypt
Imagine if it made ||ivy's rayquaza|| normal
It did
Lmao
It also turned the theme from the 95 and later battles into a remix of Megalovania using primarily the same sets of sounds as N's theme which usually plays in those battles
The title screen music was also turned into Bad Romance by Lady Gaga in a similar way that N's theme turned into Megalovania
"I'll shove your ass so far down your throat that when you crap you'll sing fucking beethoven"
- Rival, probably
noble zealot
Imagine if it made ||ivy's rayquaza|| normal
I keep forgetting there's a female rival, lol
terse pollen
I keep forgetting there's a female rival, lol
She's weird
I think she's neat with how she develops a one sided obsession turned hatred towards you
terse pollen
The title screen music was also turned into Bad Romance by Lady Gaga in a simila...
These devs might be funny
noble zealot
At long last...
unkempt egret
"you have unlocked boost power!"
true ermine
Ok hello yall.. I have a bit of a question. If anyone has Pokemon shield. Would someone be able to round up the version exclusives and trade them to me for Pokédex completion? Only base game, and not for a bit. Like I’m only just starting
noble zealot
modern oar
Ok hello yall.. I have a bit of a question. If anyone has Pokemon shield. Would ...
I have Pokemon shield.(Just saying)
terse pollen
Honedge is pretty cool
lavish dune
the horseless headman
terse pollen
Hold up his writing is THIS fire??
mighty robin
I have both Sword and Shield and I think I have an image of my team in Sword after fighting the last gym
72, 66, 64, 64, 62, 62
terse pollen
I forgot the fucking gym badges looked like that
lavish dune
come get yer gym shard
lavish dune
Hold up his writing is THIS fire??
wild ore
https://tenor.com/view/sad-depressed-gif-18156874
Find any of the 2 horses and idk if there’s an item to combine them but grim neigh gud
sweet crypt
You don't need either Spectrier or Glastrier on your team to get the Reins of Unity
You only need them unlocked
That said, even if Caly-S is likely the 2nd strongest Pokemon in all of Pokerogue, Calyrex isn't worth running because base Calyrex is worthless dogshit
wild ore
I think cloyster might be good
Just sweeped 4 out of Guzmas six pkm
With a single shell smash
Only died bc buzzwhole tanked but the rest of the team finished it off
Focus band or relic gold?
Taking the money
Yes take or no take
I want mega venasaur not g max
unkempt egret
G max is basically mega but with different stats right
but I assume you want Thick Fat instead of... effect spore I think?
modern oar
G max is basically mega but with different stats right
I don't know if Pokerogue changed it, but G-max just gives more powerful moves and makes you have double HP, nothing else.
wild ore
G max is basically mega but with different stats right
Yes g max from what I’ve seen makes venasaur a physical attacker
But I want special
So I want the mega
modern oar
Oh, okay, I didn't know Pokerogue altered G-max too.
unkempt egret
yea they made it basically megas but with different builds
wild ore
OH FUCK I DIDNT REALIZE I MADE IT TO THE ELITe four
sweet crypt
Only died bc buzzwhole tanked but the rest of the team finished it off
Common Buzzwole W
sweet crypt
You may want to be a bit careful of Scizor
wild ore
Or the Yanmega can fucking bleakwind storm
sweet crypt
It's a pretty bulky Pokemon and you don't have SE moves for it
wild ore
Flamigo is dead now
sweet crypt
And it uses a physical move from Yanmega vs a Cloyster
sweet crypt
Can rock blast ohko??
Not SE
wild ore
Gear grind
sweet crypt
So I'm not too sure
sweet crypt
Scizor doesn't really have an SE move for Cloyster though
sweet crypt
Best it has are Superpower, Close Combat (TMs), Storm Throw and Mighty Cleave (Egg moves)
sweet crypt
Lmao
wild ore
It’s ded but still
sweet crypt
You probably should've taken that shroom
The extra bulk would've really helped and I think it also still does raise SpA
sweet crypt
I wanted to get the mega since I got the bracelet first
You can get the mega stone after the max mushroom
And then swap between the forms
Which is probably what you should've done
Especially since every item there had so much less worth
sweet crypt
Pretty major misplay, along with leaving Flamigo in on Yanmega
sweet crypt
Yanmega wasn't Speed Boost then, I assume?
wild ore
No
sweet crypt
Probably was like Tinted Lens then
sweet crypt
So I don't think anyone tanks Bleakwind Storm
sweet crypt
SCIZOR MISSED GEAR GRIND
W
sweet crypt
Also you said Gear Grind didn't do much?
wild ore
Yea
sweet crypt
I wonder if that's purely because of Cloyster's physical defence
wild ore
But with minus defense it would’ve done a lot
sweet crypt
Or if Aaron is throwing and doesn't have Technician on Scizor
sweet crypt
Since cloyster was half hp from an acient power
Bleakwind Storm would have done about 60-70% then
Pretty big hit for a neutral hit
Cloyster's SpD isn't great
wild ore
Pretty big hit for a neutral hit
It was super affective
sweet crypt
What bug man is seeing
What you saw on Attempt 1:
sweet crypt
It was super affective
I was referring to how much Bleakwind would've done
sweet crypt
60 BP 🥀
sweet crypt
Just got ohko out sped by acceptors
Accelgor has like 140 speed
wild ore
O
sweet crypt
Just checked, it's 145
sweet crypt
Cloyster's Speed is 70
If EVs were a factor, Cloyster would've easily outsped
But no EVs, womp womp
wild ore
How much does plus 2 speed add?
sweet crypt
How much does plus 2 speed add?
×2
wild ore
So 140
sweet crypt
IVs and Nature make it a pretty hard thing to debate
And then there's the Carboses in Pokerogue too
wild ore
Gg bug man
wild ore
Already forgor
sweet crypt
I'll just go to like 180 for both then
sweet crypt
At max IVs for both, Cloyster should outspeed
With minimal IVs for both, Accelgor outspeeds
This is assuming both have a neutral Speed nature and 0 vitamins
A Level 180 Accelgor still has less SpA than Mega Mewtwo Y at Level 100
Unless EVs are taken into account, that is
wild ore
Oh btw I got an epic eggg from shiny up just now
sweet crypt
Oh btw I got an epic eggg from shiny up just now
Prepare for it to not be a shiny
wild ore
Ik
sweet crypt
And for you to realise that you should've just rolled on the rare egg move banner
sweet crypt
I'd rather have Quiver Dance Iron Moth than a Shiny Iron Moth, that's all I'm gonna say
sweet crypt
She’s ground right?
Yup
sweet crypt
So both Cloyster and Flamigo should do well here
sweet crypt
Yeah that's one of its egg moves
wild ore
Dw cloyster kiled
Time to freeze all
Fuck rhyperior
Too bad I have razor shell
FUCK
sweet crypt
Did you get hit by Accelerock or something
sweet crypt
No OHKO? Massive L
sweet crypt
Should've Shell Smashed I guess
sweet crypt
Why didn't you Shell Smash on Whiscash? Surely Zing Zap isn't an OHKO
wild ore
Bruh
sweet crypt
It's a Whiscash
wild ore
I got hit by a stone edge and die next turn to sandstorm
sweet crypt
I got hit by a stone edge and die next turn to sandstorm
Should've Shell Smashed on Whiscash I guess
wild ore
Shit man I just got shell smash
I moved first which is horrible
So stone edge did even more then it should have
sweet crypt
T'was Hippowdon, I assume?
modern oar
yea they made it basically megas but with different builds
I do not like making g-max Pokemon basically just a mega Pokemon.
unkempt egret
makes sense, it's a very fangamey thing in a "non-singles? barely heard of em" sense
sweet crypt
I do not like making g-max Pokemon basically just a mega Pokemon.
The funny thing is, that's basically what 99% of fangames and romhacks do, if they're even in the game at all
modern oar
I hate that.
sweet crypt
In fact, I don't even think I can name a fangame that has dynamax
modern oar
I'd rather it not be in the game at that point.
terse pollen
Find any of the 2 horses and idk if there’s an item to combine them but grim nei...
But they're so ugly
modern oar
I like each gimmick remaining unique.
terse pollen
Dynamax is giga lame
unkempt egret
I can think of some that have dynamax raids like Unbound but not the mechanic in the player's hands
terse pollen
Damn
unkempt egret
I'd rather it stay in VGC where it belongs lol
I like tera a lot tho but it's more for in-game stuffs
sweet crypt
I dont even think most of the VGC players I've spoken to want it in VGC
Honestly just keep it to Galar
And only Galar
unkempt egret
from what I've heard the japanese like/tolerate it but nobody else does lol
modern oar
WolfeyVGC liked it by the way.
sweet crypt
Beeg Pokemon use cool moves sounds cool but just isn't fun for 1 full side of Competitive Pokemon and then half of the other
unkempt egret
Heartbreaking: person you love has a terrible opinion
a universal constant
modern oar
He's the only person that I've heard of that likes Dynamax.
brisk hedge
Dynamax is by far the worst gimmick. It should stay in the garbage where it belongs
modern oar
I personally don't mind it.
terse pollen
It felt like a really half assed gimmick in an already quarter assed region
sweet crypt
Tbh not a fan of WolfeyVGC due to how he treats Singles, a lot of the toxicity from VGC fans to Smogon players feels like it somewhat comes from that
But I can respect that he's one of the best Doubles players of all time
unkempt egret
I'd also say it's the worst but then again I'm not a fan of the gimmicks in general besides maybe tera on a good day and it makes for nice in-game boss fights in gen 8 but that's making a lot of concessions and cheese-cutting
terse pollen
How does he treat singles
sweet crypt
How does he treat singles
Generally just quite condescending towards it
terse pollen
Aw man
sweet crypt
Though it isn't anywhere near as bad as the more toxic VGC fans
terse pollen
This is so sad
unkempt egret
makes sense, it's basically an Other Meta in terms of official support and has been since gen 5
sweet crypt
But the mindset wasn't even something I saw before Wolfey gained more popularity
modern oar
I've not heard his opinions on singles, but I don't think he hates it as much as certain VGC fans.
terse pollen
I'd also say it's the worst but then again I'm not a fan of the gimmicks in gene...
Oh yeah I forgot about tera
Dynamax over tera any day of the week
unkempt egret
my order is uh
sweet crypt
I've not heard his opinions on singles, but I don't think he hates it as much as...
Certainly not, but it still feels like it brought upon the more toxic VGC players in some way
Anyways my ranking of the gimmicks is Mega>Z Moves>Tera>Dmax
modern oar
I don't play VGC.
sweet crypt
Though ig Megas are pretty hard to rank
modern oar
I just like playing doubles.
terse pollen
Tera is so ugly and boring
sweet crypt
Since it's very Pokemon specific
unkempt egret
from most like to least like: nothing > tera > Z-moves (non-offense) > mega evos > Z-moves (stab move go brbrb harder) > dynamaxing > gems/weather wars
sweet crypt
On one hand, breathing life into shitmons like Beedrill and Lopunny is extremely cool
On the other, Mega Rayquaza is a massive failure in balancing
modern oar
For me the order is tera>dmax>megas>zmoves
terse pollen
I've heard people like gimmicks that every pokemon has access to but I think they're so lame
sweet crypt
Z Moves are just generally a bit contentious balance wise, but nowhere near Tera
And ESPECIALLY Dynamax
It's also fucking stupid that like
modern oar
I personally don't like any gimmicks though.
sweet crypt
70% of the time the Gmax form is worse than the Dmax form
terse pollen
For real?
unkempt egret
yea since the D-max forms have more generic but overall useful effects while the G-max effects are far more niche in comparison
sweet crypt
Like it's actually so stupid
modern oar
Mainly because the gimmicks either overcomplicate things for me, or ruin my options for teambuilding.
sweet crypt
The only gimmick that I found restricted my team building and overcomplicated the game for me was Tera
I can't wait to guess which of the 18 types Kingambit is about to transform into
Yippee!
unkempt egret
imo I don't think I've cared about a competitive environment since gen 7's battle tree lol (I never said it was a PvP environment)
modern oar
For me, I do not like megas because it restricts teambuilding for me.
sweet crypt
Dynamax is just broken
unkempt egret
nuzlockes kinda took its place for me in gens 8/9 because of the switch's multiple accounts thing
sweet crypt
For me, I do not like megas because it restricts teambuilding for me.
Megas aren't anywhere near mandatory though so I'm not so sure why you'd find it that way
modern oar
Tera, Dynamax, and Z-moves overcomplicate the teambuilding process for me.
unkempt egret
even if gen 9 has a solid hour of prep work before a run can get off the ground
sweet crypt
Ig in terms of Mega Pokemon just being oppressive I can see that
Which is why I say for Megas it's a case to case scenario
Ain't nobody gonna complain about Mega Audino being broken in like
What tier is it used in? PU?
NU?
modern oar
Megas aren't anywhere near mandatory though so I'm not so sure why you'd find it...
Their main thing is that they're very powerful, and I would basically have to have a mega to deal with other megas.
sweet crypt
Idk
unkempt egret
any context rofl
sweet crypt
But nobody is complaining about Mega Audino being broken
sweet crypt
Their main thing is that they're very powerful, and I would basically have to ha...
You definitely don't need to gave a Mega to deal with other Megas
unkempt egret
even in GO where it would be cool in UL it's still dealing with two of the worst quick moves in the game
modern oar
Megaless teams do exist
I actually made one.
unkempt egret
I forget what I ran in gen 6's maison tbh
anything other than "choice scarf diggersby go bebrbrb" became white noise ROFL
modern oar
Since I'd rather have no megas than remove my freedom in teambuilding to have one.
unkempt egret
tempted to say I just ran mega sal and a special ice resist since my gen 4 team was usually heatran/salamence/vaporeon
sweet crypt
The mindset that Megas aren't necessary are especially prevalent in the NatDex formats though those are Showdown specific
unkempt egret
gen 5 I completely forget since that feels like the gen where I was just throwing anything on the wall for comedic value
like nasty plot eviolite togetic or cherrim + howl droughttales
sweet crypt
I think it's most notable in NatDex Ubers where the best Mega is like Mega Diancie at B+
Not even an A tier Pokemon
modern oar
I made a team that had no megas which was in NatDex, so I have made a team to deal with it.
unkempt egret
actually I should give the latter another shot since howl got buffed rofl
but I forget if cherrim's in gen 8 or 9
I think 8 so hmmmm
noble zealot
Yeah, it's 8
unkempt egret
I know nine is in both gens but uh
not doing that in gen 9 because nothing quite like OHKO'ing yourself with recoil in tera raids
unless you were something with belly drum and got a double OHKO
modern oar
I also just don't like megas since I don't really care about the mons that have megas right now.
noble zealot
I made a team that had no megas which was in NatDex, so I have made a team to de...
I remember playing Balanced Hackmons (not the NatDex version, which is apparently invite-only) and being surprised that Megas were allowed.
modern oar
I remember playing Balanced Hackmons (not the NatDex version, which is apparentl...
Now that is crazy.
sweet crypt
I remember playing Balanced Hackmons (not the NatDex version, which is apparentl...
From what I know, data for all Pokemon is in SV's code, just that stuff like Megas have no in game model
noble zealot
Weird.
sweet crypt
So in the context of Balanced Hackmons, any Pokemon that is not banned is fair game
unkempt egret
actually on second thought imagine if cherrim was in gen 9 alongside the past paradoxes rofl
sweet crypt
cough cough Eternamax
sweet crypt
What a shocker, the unobtainable boss is the most broken Pokemon in all of existence
modern oar
Is Eternamax allowed in hackmons?
sweet crypt
actually I forget what meta was that one again
Gen 8 Pure Hackmons
unkempt egret
that got broken beyond repair by the stat overflow glitch
sweet crypt
Made the tier unplayable from what I know
modern oar
That is insane.
sweet crypt
Gen 8 Pure Hackmons is basically the AG of Hackmons
unkempt egret
I think gen 9's got broken beyond repair again but with assist + revival blessing?
noble zealot
From what I know, data for all Pokemon is in SV's code, just that stuff like Meg...
I recall that if you hacked in a Pokémon from a later gen into LGPE (going by its hexadecimal code), you'd get a blank glitch Pokémon that happened to have its equivalent's name and typing, but the model of a Marowak.
sweet crypt
As 1 gen later, NatDex AG would be made similarly unplayable
Because you have to make a team that beats all of ReviveCats, Mega Gengar, Tera Calyrex, Tera Shedinja etc etc etc
And that simply isn't fun
You can't beat all of them with 1 team and you sure as hell know the ladder will be doing their best to abuse them
There's simply just too many AG stuff for AG to be even remotely playable
Which makes it impressive that 1 Eternatus is all it takes to break Pure Hackmons, a significantly stronger metagame
modern oar
What even is AG supposed to mean?
sweet crypt
What even is AG supposed to mean?
Anything Goes
Where literally anything goes
Except Funbro lmao
modern oar
Oh, now that is not a good idea to have.
sweet crypt
Funbro is that hated
modern oar
What is Funbro?
noble zealot
A Slowbro built to force an endless battle
sweet crypt
What is Funbro?
The idea is to trap a Pokemon that can't beat Slowbro, and spam Recycle with Leppa Berry and Heal Pulse
You become immortal
And your opponent can't die either
And they can't swap out
noble zealot
And Slack Off, if you need healing.
modern oar
I don't know of many formats.
noble zealot
I actually tried to replicate Funbro with a Lugia in BH.
sweet crypt
The idea is to make the opponent have as little fun as possible
And make them wish they never started a match of Pokemon Showdown in their life
modern oar
I hate stall, so I would hate that.
sweet crypt
Because there's no winning here
There isn't an endgoal to eventually kill all Pokemon with Toxic
The endgoal is to prolong the match for eternity
modern oar
There's no winning or losing there.
sweet crypt
It's actually pretty similar in concept to ReviveCats
Which makes you wonder, why did they never ban ReviveCats from AG?
I mean it's not like AG would've been fun anyways
Not when you have to deal with Tera Calyrex
Or Encore Mega Gengar
Or Tera Shedinja
Or Z Move Miraidon
Or Mega Rayquaza
Or Z Move Koraidon
Or Tera Xerneas
Ordered in terms of how batshit insane they are
All of these Pokemon are AG
Which really makes you thank the heavens that only 2 of these Pokemon have ever existed
modern oar
Some things are best to be left restricted.
sweet crypt
This is why Ubers is just better than AG
Anyways the scary part is
Encore Mega Gengar may very well exist
Whether in Gen 10 or Champions
And somehow based on the leaks I'd say it may not even be the most broken Mega after ZA
But it certainly would be more broken than any existing Mega, including even Rayquaza
noble zealot
I remember Smogon considered banning Mega Gengar from Ubers even as far back as Gen 6.
sweet crypt
How did you not see this coming
And also stop being overdramatic lmao
Honestly, Cynthia is one of the easier Champions in Pokerogue
wild ore
terse pollen
Damn that gif is fire
sweet crypt
I'd say she's slightly below the middle point
terse pollen
I've beaten classic twice and both times it was Cynthia
wild ore
SHE HAS FUCKING GIRITINA?
sweet crypt
SHE HAS FUCKING GIRITINA?
Gets cooked hard by Icicle Spear though
Why are you so afraid
terse pollen
She's her
wild ore
ITS FUCKING CYNTHIA
sweet crypt
You just lead Cloyster on Spiritomb, Shell Smash and sweep
terse pollen
She has a strong team but I believe in you
sweet crypt
Wait actually it just struck me, you don't have Hydro Pump or Drill Run on Cloyster do you?
unkempt egret
I forget what's the most dangerous champion in pokerogue again?
sweet crypt
I forget what's the most dangerous champion in pokerogue again?
I'd say it's Geeta tbh
unkempt egret
the last few have gotten ran over by my carries lol
sweet crypt
OK wait Lucario may be a problem then
terse pollen
Geeta does seem like she'd be really strong in an actual game
unkempt egret
I forget if I saw geeta but I can see that
sweet crypt
Geeta leads with Toxic Debris Boss Tera Shell Glimmora
sweet crypt
If you don't use a Special Attacker it will almost always gets both layers of Toxic Spikes
sweet crypt
tera shell?
That's the passive
sweet crypt
She terastalises it into a Flying type like in base game
wild ore
And 4 of mine are dead
sweet crypt
And 4 of mine are dead
Ngl, how
Cloyster lead Shell Smash should absolutely annihilate her
terse pollen
Latios you are so toxic
wild ore
My fight starts out with flamigo
sweet crypt
Latios you are so toxic
OK but seriously should Cloyster Lead Shell Smash not beat Cynthia
sweet crypt
My fight starts out with flamigo
Ah that explains it
Try to position Cloyster into a Pokemon it can set up on or scare out
Something like luring Mega Garchomp out and simultaneously switching Cloyster in
You should also preferably either chip or completely eliminate Lucario and Milotic
wild ore
Eyyyy uh
Did ya know Tera flying flamingo with moxie and triple axel is just a fucking unit?
sweet crypt
Did ya know Tera flying flamingo with moxie and triple axel is just a fucking un...
I can see that
sweet crypt
FlamiGOAT it seems
warm rose
this inspired me to play more pokerogue
sweet crypt
We love FlamiGOAT
terse pollen
Welcome to the pokerogue club
warm rose
i've been here a long time
sweet crypt
You can't catch any Paradoxes until you hatch them from eggs so don't bother
sweet crypt
It isn't extremely rare either
warm rose
this is also a beast
sweet crypt
this is also a beast
Honestly, this set can solo the game
wild ore
Move legendary or shiny
warm rose
Honestly, this set can solo the game
highly likely yes
sweet crypt
What should I use the premium ticket on
I'm a personal fan of egg move up
sweet crypt
highly likely yes
Main thing I'd change is I prefer Take Heart on Eternatus
wild ore
Thing is
sweet crypt
(And in general but it's only really absolutely better for Etern)
wild ore
I already have strong moves on 2 of my gurranteed team spots
So shiny and legendary is prolly what I’m gonna go for
sweet crypt
I already have strong moves on 2 of my gurranteed team spots
Rare egg move on Flamigo is Victory Dance
sweet crypt
Victory Dance is the best physical setup move in the game
warm rose
Main thing I'd change is I prefer Take Heart on Eternatus
it's a level up move so i have to wait
wild ore
Rare egg move on Flamigo is Victory Dance
I might not get flamigo tho
sweet crypt
it's a level up move so i have to wait
Ik
warm rose
but that's what i usually do yes
sweet crypt
All I know is that I would NOT roll on Shiny Up if I'm new to the game
wild ore
Why
sweet crypt
I'd only roll on Shiny Up once I'm comfortable with my team and confident that it could solo the game 90% of the time or more
warm rose
me and manaphy
wild ore
Ngl at this point I should just roll on legendary and move up
Cus I already have a t3 shiny on every team I’ll use
warm rose
this is also a beast
also it has primordial sea
sweet crypt
Otherwise rolling on Egg Move Up to get better egg moves to increase the rate of actually winning or Legendary Up if I want a strong hard carry is better
sweet crypt
Back to back wins!
If you manage to set up Cloyster, you should hopefully be able to beat Rival
warm rose
sweep
sweet crypt
You better have Leech Seed on your Venusaur though
wild ore
You better have Leech Seed on your Venusaur though
Uhhhh
sweet crypt
I don't think your team does too well vs Final Boss otherwise
warm rose
ooo
sweet crypt
There's absolutely no way Cloyster is setting up on a Special attacker like the Final Boss
sweet crypt
I can make it sleep?
Honestly, get a Memory Mushroom to replace Energy Ball with Leech Seed after the Rival
wild ore
It’s my only good grass move
sweet crypt
It’s my only good grass move
So?
sweet crypt
You aren't using a offensive Grass move vs the final boss
wild ore
Since etertatus resists anyway
warm rose
oh this is interesting
wild ore
oh this is interesting
Don’t
warm rose
i forgot what it gave ngl
sweet crypt
oh this is interesting
If you think you can beat Garbodor, then do so
wild ore
It’s a g max garbordor
sweet crypt
Otherwise, just dig for valuables
sweet crypt
I would not, Leftovers are too important for Manaphy
Digging gives Leftovers and Shell Bell but raises shop price by a lot
warm rose
this is horrible in comparison to just digging
sweet crypt
Beating Garbodor gives Leftovers in the rewards screen
Leftovers are the important part for Manaphy
warm rose
even with primordial sea + tail glow + bouncy bubble?
sweet crypt
this is horrible in comparison to just digging
They nerfed it to only give 1 Leftovers and 1 Shell Bell iirc
sweet crypt
even with primordial sea + tail glow + bouncy bubble?
Leftovers allows you to set up to +6 on Eternatus with Take Heart and become basically invincible
wild ore
Alright ivy….
warm rose
2 healing items compared to just one
sweet crypt
And Shell Bell is a bit redundant with Shell Bell
Since if you attack, you're likely healing most your HP anyways
Meant to say Bouncy Bubble
But I'm a dummy
Realistically if you're even mildly smart with money usage the shop price increase just
wild ore
I get a free earth power on gholdengo
wild ore
Gholdengo goes down
warm rose
dang
wild ore
OH FUCK THE MEGA SNEK
delicate hollow
Did I get lucky in that Emerald rom hack or what?
Because I found Mirage Island before I reached Pacifidlog town and spoke to the old man NPC
unkempt egret
wish that was the tornadus but I'll take
wild ore
IF I SWITCH INTO CLOYSTER IT MIGHT JUST DIE
unkempt egret
Does that say 2.7k
on candy? yea lol
wild ore
Sowry venasaur
sweet crypt
IF I SWITCH INTO CLOYSTER IT MIGHT JUST DIE
If it uses Hurricane, Cloyster dies either ways
(Unless it misses)
(Then haha L bozo+ratio)
Oh right it'd swap out in fear
wild ore
What the fuck
Why did it make me use shell smash again
Bruh now I gotta refresh this whole shit man
sweet crypt
Why did it make me use shell smash again
Did you click too fast on accident or something
Or got encored idk
wild ore
Inteleon learns encore?
warm rose
sweet crypt
Inteleon learns encore?
I have no clue
unkempt egret
my highest candy for any species is uuuuh
wild ore
unkempt egret
eevee, makes sense lol
sweet crypt
14 thousand is wild
wild ore
Just saying
brisk hedge
I love how I never found a single shiny
unkempt egret
melmetal's the only mon where I have more XL candy than normal candy lol
unkempt egret
luck I usually just max out at the start alongside my carry but they're the first mons to get thrown out of the blimp once wave 150 hits
warm rose
shweep shweep
wild ore
NOW ITS GUARANTEED THAT I CANT EVEN SET MY SWEEP UP THERE
FUCKING FUCK YOU CLOYSTER
NEVER MISSED IT UNTIL NOW
WHY
sweet crypt
HOW DO YOU MISS A 95% ACCURATE ROCK BLAST
"Unfortunate" doesn't begin to describe my series, this game rewards blind luck and nothing else, I am beyond convinced at this point
brisk hedge
HOW DO YOU MISS A 95% ACCURATE ROCK BLAST
“If it’s not 100% accurate, it’s 50% accurate”
John Micheal Wingull Groth
unkempt egret
misses in pokerogue are funny if you allow resets since ||you can pass them to your opponent if you know when they happen||
wild ore
Ok
Uh
Flamigo
Ima need ya to
Like sweep
And
Not miss your 95% triple axel on her last Mon and die
unkempt egret
I know one run I had to belly drum twice in a row since the turn after high horsepower missed
warm rose
shweep shweep
also its like really close to max
unkempt egret
so using a worthless belly drum a second time passed that miss onto my opponent's rock slide
wild ore
Or not bc unfezant just kills me with floaty fall
unkempt egret
(I don't think it was an actual sweep tho, poor linoone didn't even get past staraptor at +5)
sweet crypt
Who did you use Rock Blast on?
sweet crypt
OK, ok
sweet crypt
And how many Shell Smash boosts did you have?
wild ore
1
sweet crypt
Just 1?
wild ore
It would’ve killed
sweet crypt
Hmm
wild ore
Definitely
wild ore
It resists that
sweet crypt
It resists that
If you have a strong enough Pokemon, resists mean nothing
But I'd imagine you'd need at least 2 Shell Smashes for Cloyster to be able to OHKO Inteleon with Icicle Spear
unkempt egret
or enough items
sweet crypt
or enough items
On average you probably won't have enough to do so in 1 Shell Smash
wild ore
And 3 mystical waters
sweet crypt
From linoone I have 2 hard stones and 2 never melting ice
That may be enough though
Worth a shot at least
wild ore
So my ice and rock moves do 40% more dmg and 60% for water
sweet crypt
Remember, RNG is completely seeded
unkempt egret
oh yea make sure to transfer items from your pickuppers before important fights
unkempt egret
don't be like me and throw one out of The Blimp with a full item load to add an Uxie onto the team
sweet crypt
If you find yourself in the exact situation on the exact turn, the same thing will happen if you use the same move
wild ore
Yes ik
wet stratus
HOW DO YOU MISS A 95% ACCURATE ROCK BLAST
Quite easy actually. Just roll 1-5 on your 1-100 roll
wild ore
unkempt egret
If you find yourself in the exact situation on the exact turn, the same thing wi...
yep, can help out in kinda finding a "route" though a fight
sometimes you Just Lose though like in a daily run I did a few days ago
sweet crypt
yep, can help out in kinda finding a "route" though a fight
It's why a true unwinnable situation in Classic is very rare if you're experienced enough
unkempt egret
wave 30 or 40 olympia with ghost coverage and my dark type was paralyzed
sweet crypt
If you know how to abuse resets enough, almost any battle can be routed out
wild ore
I can win this
unkempt egret
yea daily is trickier because of the lack of a shop
sweet crypt
yea daily is trickier because of the lack of a shop
Daily is like Nuzlocke Mode if it wasn't a massive pain in the ass
unkempt egret
so those little damages stack up much more than in classic
sweet crypt
The Nuzlocke mode in Pokerogue is brutal
Making the only way to regain HP be recovery moves and RNG is nasty
Not even biome transitions will save you
And the same applies to PP recovery
warm rose
oh god
ivy has tera grass power whip venusaur
warm rose
terse pollen
Don't trust that egg
sweet crypt
Don't trust that egg
It's a Manaphy Candy Egg, Manaphy is guaranteed
terse pollen
Oh awesome
sweet crypt
That said it's a blue shiny Manaphy with passive and every egg move I don't think it really needs anything more
noble zealot
Managed to put together my first all-shiny team (even if most of them are shit).
terse pollen
Btw latios you're a pro
How do I farm egg vouchers
I tried to do endless but I never make it far
sweet crypt
How do I farm egg vouchers
Technically Endless is the best way but I hate Endless
So I just span Classic runs
terse pollen
But spamming classic runs is so lame
sweet crypt
Endless is too rigid for my liking
You run Zacian for like 2k waves and then instantly swap to spamming run and slow stally strats
terse pollen
For real?
sweet crypt
Yeah the best mon for Endless is like
Aggron
Or something
Because it gives Steel type, Sturdy and Salt Cure
The entire meta is stalling until your opponent faints
There's also Nincada for dupes with fusion and Shedinja
terse pollen
That sounds miserable
Wow pokerogue's endgame kinda sucks huh
Constantly doing classic is boring and endless sucks
sweet crypt
I simply beat the shit out of Classic with a shitload of random Pokemon
Like Castform and shit
Already beat every challenge run and got every achievement a while back
sweet crypt
If you haven't gotten the full dex yet that's something you can work towards
As well as all achievements
terse pollen
sweet crypt
Also can I talk about something stupid real quick?
So like, Pure and Huge Power don't work on Photon Geyser
BUT FOR SOME REASON
MEDITITE GETS IT AS AN EGG MOVE ANYWAYS
WHY
Like does Pokerogue change that or something
I have to be missing something
sweet crypt
Like does Pokerogue change that or something
Does seem like this is the case so far
Looking at the Showdown calc, it seems plausible that either Showdown gets it wrong or Bulbapedia does
Unfortunately I am not a dirty hacker
And I don't have Online
So I can't find out
noble zealot
sweet crypt
Medicham run done
Tbh, far weaker than I was imagining, and for one simple reason
Based on the damage I was getting, it seems that Pure Power is not taken into account for boss bars
I refuse to believe that a 2 boss bar Lapras is not OHKOd by an effective 1000+ Attack 90 BP STAB Fighting move
This forces Medicham to set up a lot more than it should need to with Bulk Up
And since Medicham is rather frail, this is not a good thing
If I managed to get Mega Medicham, this issue would be somewhat alleviated
terse pollen
Boss bars are annoying
sweet crypt
Boss bars are annoying
It shouldn't have mattered, is the thing
unkempt egret
dang that sounds like something I'd call an oversight lol
dunno if it is but it feels like one
sweet crypt
The weirdest thing is that Water Bubble's damage boost is applied to the calculation
I could easily tell from using Araquanid
terse pollen
It doesn't say Huge Power (P) so maybe it works as intended?
sweet crypt
It doesn't say Huge Power (P) so maybe it works as intended?
It works vs normal Pokemon
It's just the bosses where it seems to not work
terse pollen
Yeah maybe you just didn't do enough damage
sweet crypt
Yeah maybe you just didn't do enough damage
Thing is, in situations where Araquanid managed to OHKO on a neutral hit, Medicham didn't
And in theory, Medicham's damage should've been higher
sweet crypt
Perhaps
With testing I've done, Photon Geyser does work with Pure Power in Pokerogue
This is likely an intentional change rather than an oversight
Because otherwise why give Medicham Photon Geyser lmao
Anyways, Medicham's Photon Geyser failed to OHKO Lance's Dragonite at +2
While Araquanid's Aqua Step in the exact same scenario did the job
(It is important to note that Araquanid's passive is Tinted Lens, effectively making this hit a neutral one)
Their attack stats were similar, with Medicham's being slightly higher at the time thanks to a few Proteins
And Photon Geyser has a full 20 BP lead on Aqua Step
terse pollen
Strange
sweet crypt
To clarify, this is Lance as an E4 member
So his Dragonite doesn't have Multiscale
But if it did, that'd be even more bizarre
That Araquanid manages the OHKO, yet Medicham doesn't
As Aqua Step doesn't bypass Multiscale while Photon Geyser does
But like I said, it wasn't Champion Lance
So this is not the case
terse pollen
Sounds like a bug then
sweet crypt
Certainly
Either that, or a deliberate move to nerf the Huge and Pure Power users
But the Pokemon themselves I think are already enough of a balancing act
Medicham's Attack stat is a measly 60
Which really shows just how strong Pure Power is even without EVs
As a 120 Attack Pokemon would struggle reaching effective 1k Attack, but Medicham does it with about average luck
Maybe it is a justified nerf...
Delibird must be the funniest shit ever
Since it has both Huge Power via passive and Hustle
So it effectively triples its attack
sweet crypt
It also only has 5 less base Attack than Medicham lmao
terse pollen
How can it fly with such muscles
modern oar
It uses the muscles to fly? I don't know.
sweet crypt
OK so uhh
terse pollen
Punches the air to fly
sweet crypt
With EVs, a theoretical itemless Hustle Huge Power Delibird has more damage than a Choice Banded Rayquaza
The Pokemon with the closest effective Attack without items is Mega Mawile
modern oar
Wow.
sweet crypt
But even that has less damage
modern oar
That's a way to make Delibird viable.
sweet crypt
Mega Mawile has the highest itemless damage in the game
And it isn't even itemless
Since it needs the Mega Stone
The true closest match in terms of effective Attack is Choice Banded Palafin Hero
Whose effective Attack is 3 points higher
Palafin Hero has 160 Attack
If you're wondering what utterly impractical calcs we can make with this...
+2 252+ Atk Choice Band Hustle Tera Ice Delibird Glacial Lance vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Eternatus-Eternamax: 660-780 (101.3 - 119.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
(Glacial Lance is a move that Pokerogue gives Delibird)
252 SpA Choice Specs Calyrex-Shadow Psychic vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Eternatus-Eternamax: 234-276 (35.9 - 42.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
modern oar
You added more modifiers to the Delibird one, what about if you give the equivalent modifiers to the Calyrex-Shadow one?
sweet crypt
You added more modifiers to the Delibird one, what about if you give the equival...
The +2 Attack is meant to represent Huge Power here
That said I can add Tera and Modest
252+ SpA Choice Specs Tera Psychic Calyrex-Shadow Psychic vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Eternatus-Eternamax: 340-404 (52.2 - 62%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+2 252+ Atk Choice Band Hustle Tera Ice Delibird Ice Shard vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Iron Valiant: 274-324 (94.8 - 112.1%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO
Oh also it does this to Iron Valiant lmao
modern oar
Wow, that is crazy then.
unkempt egret
for reference uh
252+ Atk Choice Band Strong Jaw Dracovish Fishious Rend (170 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Eternatus-Eternamax in Rain: 704-830 (108.1 - 127.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
with type changed to a weakness to accommodate delibird hitting one naturally
modern oar
Well, that seems normal.
sweet crypt
Dracovish would do more damage if accounting for Tera
But Ice is a far better type offensively
modern oar
So basically you're saying that it's a guaranteed 2HKO
sweet crypt
That said, Fishious Rend needing to outspeed to do damage is irrelevant here
Since Delibird also needs to outspeed
As it instantly dies otherwise
It's still a Delibird, yknow?
unkempt egret
and in both cases etern has 130 speed but now I'm curious
sweet crypt
and in both cases etern has 130 speed but now I'm curious
Eternamax realistically wins both MUs
And it's exactly because of that 130 Speed
Eternatus really doesn't feel like the type of Pokemon to have 130 speed
But it does anyways
It gives the same vibes as the 90 base Speed Legendaries, you get what I mean?
modern oar
Eternamax Eternatus is just overpowered.
sweet crypt
It's strange, Eternatus isn't that minmaxed
But in the context of box art legendaries, so many of them are just not optimised at all that it still ends up being one of the most minmaxed legendaries
And thus one of the best Pokemon in Singles, period
unkempt egret
yea at this point I'm more just using etern as a punching bag ROFL
"thank you for being a big wall I can bounce attacks off you -6 accuracy eternatus"
modern oar
Zacian is probably one of the best box art legendary Pokemon.
sweet crypt
Things doing big damage to Eternamax is generally a good measure of how strong it is
modern oar
I was just saying in terms of box art legendaries, not counting Eternamax Eternatus.
sweet crypt
By strong I mean pure damage and not viability btw
I highly doubt that even with this much damage, Delibird would be viable
Since it is still very slow, extremely frail and instantly loses half its HP if it isn't holding Heavy-Duty Boots
And Hustle means there's at least a 20% chance for you to do jack shit
Anyways
252+ SpA Choice Specs Flash Fire Tera Fire Heatran Eruption (150 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Tera Bug Eternatus-Eternamax in Sun: 1068-1260 (164 - 193.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Heatran no diff
modern oar
Yeah it wouldn't be viable most likely since the speed of everything else is most likely higher than Delibird.
unkempt egret
I think I beefed my numbers but
+1 252+ Atk Choice Band Flash Fire Centiskorch-Gmax Flare Blitz vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Eternatus-Eternamax in Sun: 1038-1224 (159.4 - 188%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+1 252+ Atk Choice Band Flash Fire Centiskorch Flare Blitz vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Eternatus-Eternamax in Sun: 878-1034 (134.8 - 158.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Dracovish - 252+ Atk Choice Band Strong Jaw Dracovish Fishious Rend (170 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Eternatus-Eternamax in Rain: 704-830 (108.1 - 127.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+1 (Gorilla Tactics) 252 Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Darmanitan Flare Blitz vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Eternatus-Eternamax in Sun: 694-819 (106.6 - 125.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+1 (solar power) 252+ SpA Choice Specs Sheer Force Charizard Fire Blast vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Eternatus-Eternamax in Sun: 674-794 (103.5 - 121.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Chi-Yu - 252+ SpA Choice Specs Beads of Ruin Chi-Yu Blue Flare vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Eternatus-Eternamax in Sun: 632-746 (97 - 114.5%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO
Tinkaton (old) - 252+ Atk Choice Band Huge Power Tinkaton Gigaton Hammer vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Eternatus-Eternamax: 524-620 (80.4 - 95.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Delibird - +2 252+ Atk Choice Band Hustle Delibird Glacial Lance vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Eternatus-Eternamax: 494-584 (75.8 - 89.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
some of the sillier damage numbers. Tinkaton (old) was from back when it had huge power rather than the current steelworker
I'm not sure why Centiskorch took it, maybe flash fire strats are just that absurd
also morty on wave 50 with quilava just uh
"I understand you had a H-typhlosion in Masters but not quite yet buddy"
actually I wonder since i"m using an offline client could I just add tier 2/3 shinies for pokemon that don't have any
seems like the files in here are a bunch of json files
smoky gyro
How did a SUDOWOODO get 3 KILLS
sweet crypt
How did a SUDOWOODO get 3 KILLS
RandBats
sweet crypt
No clue why Mudsdale wasn't sent in earlier though
smoky gyro
I think this guy just wasnt that good also
sweet crypt
Its still a SUDOWOODO
Sudowoodo does one thing amazingly in RandBats
smoky gyro
Rocks lmao
sweet crypt
And that's shitting out damage for days
sweet crypt
Amazing
sweet crypt
Yknow if they just went for Will-O I'd say that's a good move
split yoke
smoky gyro
If I die to life orb recoil on the same turn I kill their mon who wins
Assuming both is last mon
queen pecan
If I die to life orb recoil on the same turn I kill their mon who wins
you lose. oh wait gotta doublecheck brb real quic
queen pecan
If I die to life orb recoil on the same turn I kill their mon who wins
sorry my bad. you should win
queen pecan
though this might be official rules in tournaments, in the game you might still lose 😅 since you get teleported to the center with no pokemon alive
sweet crypt
If I die to life orb recoil on the same turn I kill their mon who wins
You win
Since your opponent dies first
You take recoil and die only after they die
smoky gyro
Man
sweet crypt
For the same reason, in a situation where Sandstorm is active and kills the last 2 Pokemon, the person with the faster Pokemon loses
smoky gyro
That sawsbuck lived on 8%-
sweet crypt
As speed is taken into account when it comes to what order damage over time is applied
modern oar
I never knew how easy Pokemon Scarlet would be when I could only use Eeveelutions.
modern oar
I don't know if Zygarde is good, Pokerogue changed a lot of stuff so I can't say anything for certain anymore.(I would say if it is good or not otherwise)
unkempt egret
makes sense, the eeveelutions are meant to be easy to use in-game
modern oar
makes sense, the eeveelutions are meant to be easy to use in-game
What message are you responding to?
unkempt egret
I never knew how easy Pokemon Scarlet would be when I could only use Eeveelution...
this one, my bad
also not sure on zygarde? haven't used it in pokerogue myself
modern oar
I swept Nemona's team with only Vaporeon and Glaceon.
unkempt egret
I usually focus on the shiny eggs myself but even then it's only a 1/256 chance to roll zygarde I think
since the legendary rate goes up to 1/128 because one of the 256 slots is forced to be Zygarde so the odds aren't great either way
modern oar
I don't have any idea why Nemona was so easy.
unkempt egret
I'm surprised you made it past Pawmot lol
unless you baited out Double Shock on glaceon
modern oar
I think I outsped it and OHKOed, either that or my Glaceon took the hit and OHKOed.