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wild ore
Quick attack does nothing and earthquake ohko
Warlord
Wailord*
Sending out Latios
Hopefully psychic ohkos
Ooo
2 psychics needed
Ok
It’s fine
It’s just sceptile
I can go into gardivoir but
MEGA STARTER VS MEGA STARTER
LETS FACKING DO THIS🔥!!!!🔥🔥🔥🔥!!!!!!!
MEGA SCEPTILE OH NOOOO
wait
I’m slower
Shit
Uh
Uh
NOOOOO
KIPPYYYY
I FUMBLED THE BAG
HE DED
GRRRR
TODAY YOU DIE SECPTILE
GARDIVOR USE DRAINING SMOOCH
Half up
Hp
Only 1 more smooch needed to bring it down
Shit gardi died
Can
Can onion the breloom win?
wild ore
CMON BUDDY
SKY UPPERCUT THAT MAN INTO THE STRATOSPHERE
wait I just realized
Her starter is female
That’s a 12% chance
Wow
Anyways
BRELOOM SKY FUCKING UPPER THIS LEAF LIZARD INTO THE STRATOSPHERE TO SEE RAY RAY
bruh
WAIT HE REISS
YEAAAAAA
GET FUCKED SCEPTILE
YOU JUST GOT ONIONED
HE USED X SCISSORS BUT I RESIST
AHAHAHAH
Look at what may
OHHH STARS
THE END
AHHHHHJH
Yes I just yapped my entire fight against may
unkempt egret
I swear I keep thinking pokerogue's third rival fight is on floor 45 instead of floor 55
pastel gull
why tf is lanas rebattle so frustrating
unkempt egret
also i don't think eevee's gonna cut it unless I find G-max
good thing this run has a backup in noctowl
quasi dagger
first shiny alpha in PLA :)
pastel gull
ofc every time i lead with arcanine this stupid fucking totem ribombee calls up a pelliper, and then my Z move inferno overdrive does a miniscule slither of damage
leading with primarina, i can use hydro vortex get it in the red, THEN Switch into arcanine to hit an extreem speed for the KO
then a simple thunderbolt from vikavolt should KO the pelliper
wild ore
first shiny alpha in PLA :)
Something crazy is that my FIRST EVER SHINY FIRST EVER IN THE ENTIRETY OF EVERY PKM GAME IVE PLAYED IS a full odds alpha shiny luxray
And I had just opened the game and gone to the alpha luxray spawn and it was shiny
After that I never found a another shiny alpha
Found a ton more shinys tho
noble zealot
Dude's not even trying to be a challenge...
quasi dagger
Something crazy is that my FIRST EVER SHINY FIRST EVER IN THE ENTIRETY OF EVERY ...
i have over 120 hours across 2 save files and that’s the first shiny alpha i’ve caught😭
wild ore
i have over 120 hours across 2 save files and that’s the first shiny alpha i’ve ...
It’s wild Bro
I don’t even have shiny charm and I’ve found so many wild/massive mass outbreak shinies
Hell I haven’t even gotten arkoos💔
quasi dagger
I don’t even have shiny charm and I’ve found so many wild/massive mass outbreak ...
i would love to have a perfected dex to have a higher chance but getting them to research 10 is good enough for me lol
i don’t remember if it’s a completed dex or a dex with all research lvl 10 that gives you shiny charm
wild ore
i don’t remember if it’s a completed dex or a dex with all research lvl 10 that ...
All research lvl ten
It’s a massive grind
pastel gull
i have over 120 hours across 2 save files and that’s the first shiny alpha i’ve ...
only shiny i ever caught in arceus was a random shiny geodude lol
pastel gull
ive always wondered why there arent special clothes sold at the bottom of mt lanakila, because how tf am i going up in a tanktop and shorts
Finally
pastel gull
the final team, league time
ol malamar is gonna tear up acerola
the whole team had atleast one supereffective move for a member of her team
peak kite
who thought it was a good idea to make shiny flabebe like that? wasn't aware it was a shiny and left it.
(still remained a shiny, so we good, but still)
pastel gull
Ultra moon champion🌕
wonder why dexio and the other woman are in the credits, yet they had one scene with you
unlike in sun and moon where they had a lot more involvement but no credits feature
pastel gull
oh boy its time for episode RR
pastel gull
this fucking branch sciedntest and faba battle is such a pain
its laggy, the granbull brings you to minimum special attack, the hypno puts either you or lilys useless ass clefairy to sleep, and then you have the other 4 to battle
its basically a 2v1
scrafty however keeps spamming snarl on my malamar with that ability that makes stat lowering moves do the opposite
this fight wouldnt be so hard if lily had more than a singular puny clefairy
frank lily
I’ll probably evolve one into a Florges at some point
unkempt egret
couldn't find my usual com day group but got a hot dog by the lighthouse and had a decent time
unkempt egret
FINALLY
I can now embrace the
not sure how I feel about Protean considering it's a net damage loss on veevee volley compared to adaptability
ROFL
man the expert breeder event gets a lot easier when your pickupper can also belly drum into E-speed
lavish dune
yeah, i got her early for once. SHOCKINGLY beedrill with noxious torque doesnt have many counters at level 26
literally every single fucking graveler i encounter:
lavish dune
shiny zigzagoon is so nice
unkempt egret
hm now how to get past floor 195
since mega rayquaza cleanly OHKO's all 6 of my party members
terse pollen
Yeah that fight is rough
Rayquaza has a Lum Berry but your best bet might be to stack status conditions on it if you can
unkempt egret
yea the usual strat is to just run it over with something already at +6/+6
but No Retreat can only be used once
terse pollen
How do you even get to +6/+6 in a trainer battle
unkempt egret
quiver dance or victory dance usually
terse pollen
But don't you get beaten up before you can set up all 6
unkempt egret
not with berries and other means of healing, plus those two are also buffing your defenses too
augh that one was SO CLOSE but skeledirge had a bit too much HP
there we go finally found the route and even then it was absurdly close
hot tip if the rival gets Skeledirge or Quaquaval as their starter just reset and try another run, the pain is not worth it lol
terse pollen
How did you end up doing it?
unkempt egret
found some set up that made the RNG not give rayquaza any starf berry attack boosts which allowed Eevee to live through it
unkempt egret
also I don't know what update made Memory Mushrooms a shop item on floors 195+ but thank you
makes grabbing the -accuracy and-attack moves for eternatus not a RNG roll anymore
ROFL
one Veevee Voley at +1 instantly puts Etern into phase 2
terse pollen
I tried using a Partner Eevee in a run once but it didn't feel that strong
It had a lot of coverage but not much to use it with
How did you make it work?
unkempt egret
mostly by having noctowl as a second carry until I got all of the stuff I needed on round 165
ok that took a while but etern down
hot tip make sure you throw away your leftovers before floor 200 rofl
slender dock
Hello I wanted to ask if there was anyone who plays S&V would be able to help me with getting the dragon cheer tm via Pokemon trade
terse pollen
hot tip make sure you throw away your **leftovers** before floor 200 rofl
I didn't even think about that lmao
lavish dune
sigilyph is a LOT stronger than i thought
unkempt egret
I didn't even think about that lmao
yea usually you put all of your held items onto one specific mon and have that mon try to get taken out before etern moves to phase 2
terse pollen
True
lavish dune
hot tip make sure you throw away your **leftovers** before floor 200 rofl
whys that?
unkempt egret
because ||eternatus can possibly steal it and gain that healing for itself||
unkempt egret
yep, either you gotta fight them or have a team full of bug types I think?
terse pollen
Most I had when I talked to him was 3 bug types
sweet crypt
hot tip make sure you throw away your **leftovers** before floor 200 rofl
If you're going for a Quiver Dance strat is say keeping them I'd better
Since they allow you to easily set up to +6 on Eternatus before going into phase 2
And just tank every hit and win in like 4 attacks
(Or less)
In fact, if you're trying to set up on Eternatus in general, I'd keep the Leftovers
What's 1/16 HP every turn gonna do for it when it's taking 2 or more bars of damage every turn
Anyways I'm personally not a fan of using Confide or Double Team vs Eternatus
Confide maybe I could see myself using
But I'm absolutely never using Double Team vs it
I hate using and fighting evasion, it just feels too cheap
If I win with it, nothing feels earned
And if I lose to it, it feels so unfair, like I didn't deserve to lose but the game decided to fuck me over anyways
lavish dune
yep, either you gotta fight them _or_ have a team full of bug types I think?
not fight, i just gave the dude a quick claw
fight gives any pokemon a strong bug move
sweet crypt
Fighting the Bug Type Superfan is like going gambling
The big prizes are Tail Glow and Quiver Dance
Heal Order's also fine, but anything else really isn't worth
Well ig First Impression would be nice too actually
lavish dune
emergency exit triggered on a boss gollisiopod so that was funny
sweet crypt
I personally think that in a Pokerogue context, Quiver Dance is the best setup move
Heck even outside of that context it's still arguably the best setup move, if you ignore signature moves
But I think that's arguable with Shift Gear, Tail Glow and Shell Smash
(Victory Dance is signature but if it wasn't I'd say it is also on this level)
(Same with No Retreat tbh, and a lot of the other signature setup moves)
lavish dune
weedle can get victory dance as an egg move, is that worth trying for?
sweet crypt
(But certainly not Geomancy, that's probably just the best setup move)
sweet crypt
weedle can get victory dance as an egg move, is that worth trying for?
Tbh, I did a Beedrill run, and no, I do not think it's worth
Victory Dance does not even come close to saving regular Beedrill it's just that ass
lavish dune
i like my beedrill, noxious torque hits REAL hard
sweet crypt
And I have 0 clue how it works with Mega, because I got Mega Beedrill at like
198
Remember kids: Never rely on Megas
Because THAT will happen
If you are already using Beedrill, you absolutely should try to get Victory Dance on it
It's one of the best setup moves of all time
sweet crypt
Ngl I want the Pokerogue devs to revert the Cosmoem evolution to Level 53 at daytime for Solgaleo/Nighttime for Lunala
Currently it's a shitty item evolution
Which doesn't even fucking make sense
Because Cosmoem always evolved at Level 53
Actually, even better idea
lavish dune
like, any useful shiny is either late evo or a conditional evolution
sweet crypt
Allow players to pick between 2 Cosmog forms when picking it as a starter
With 1 form evolving into Solgaleo at level 53 all the time
And the other evolving into Lunala
terse pollen
Those are some good shinies
sweet crypt
This also allows them to not have to share egg moves
Which is a massive weakness of the duo as half of the egg moves only work for one of them
And vice versa
terse pollen
Oh true
I didn't even think about that
But would suck if you hatched a Cosmog from an egg and it was the form you didn't want
Or got one from the gacha
sweet crypt
But would suck if you hatched a Cosmog from an egg and it was the form you didn'...
Better than not getting a fucking moon flute until like
Wave 100
terse pollen
Oh yeah evolution items kinda suck in this game
sweet crypt
When normally you could probably evolve it by Wave 60 if you had evo items
Why am I so good at typing the wrong shit
Meant to say if you still had Level 53 Evo
Like I think having to drag around a worthless Cosmoem is punishment enough
lavish dune
Those are some good shinies
wormadam is shockingly competent like 17% of the time
mothim is competent never
sweet crypt
That said, once you actually get Lunala, it requires 0 egg moves to solo the entire game
terse pollen
I can never make any of my shiny pokemon work
sweet crypt
This is because Lunala's the fucking GOAT
terse pollen
tight granite
actually its a bat
terse pollen
Lunala is super cool
lavish dune
actually its a minor deity
terse pollen
Is it? Isn't it an Ultra Beast in lore
sweet crypt
It can even get around a majority of Dark and Ghost types because of Shadow Shield and Moonblast+Moongeist Beam
terse pollen
It's more of an alien than a deity
sweet crypt
Struggles with Kingambit though, but Tera can fix that
brisk hedge
This is because Lunala's the fucking GOAT
Lunala is NOT the goat
lavish dune
Struggles with Kingambit though, but Tera can fix that
so can a machop
brisk hedge
It’s a bat 
tight granite
It's more of an alien than a deity
its a deity by the people of alola
sweet crypt
so can a machop
Yeah but if you have a Machop you aren't soloing the game with Lunala
lavish dune
It’s a bat <:heehee:945800365457149992>
too late, someone made that joke already
sweet crypt
That said you do need to drag around a worthless Cosmog
terse pollen
It’s a bat <:heehee:945800365457149992>
Silverr already beat you to that joke
sweet crypt
So yknow what
lavish dune
sweet crypt
Early Carry Flamigo + Cosmog
terse pollen
Man I got Palkia on its banner and with the recent Zacian banner I kinda regret it
This is beary sad
lavish dune
regigigas is my favorite legend beside registeel and genesect, i hope i can make him viable
sweet crypt
Man I got Palkia on its banner and with the recent Zacian banner I kinda regret ...
Palkia can solo the game with the correct egg moves tbh
terse pollen
regigigas is my favorite legend beside registeel and genesect, i hope i can make...
Neutralizing gas surely
terse pollen
Palkia can solo the game with the correct egg moves tbh
I have Malignent Chain on it and grinding candies is misery
lavish dune
Neutralizing gas surely
ivy isnt a double battle
sweet crypt
regigigas is my favorite legend beside registeel and genesect, i hope i can make...
You probably need the Hidden Ability for it
terse pollen
Oh awesome
terse pollen
I hope its passive is something like Huge Power
sweet crypt
Regigigas gets Normalise
terse pollen
Oh normalize is kinda boring
sweet crypt
I hope its passive is something like Huge Power
I think it's Adaptability
terse pollen
Oh so it can just nuke everything with normal type moves
Can't hit ghost types though
sweet crypt
Archeops is Emergency Exit HA, and I think Rocky Payload is the passive?
sweet crypt
Can't hit ghost types though
Now that you mention it, that is a big weakness
And I'm second guessing myself now
Maybe the passives actually Scrappy
I could've sworn it was Adaptability
But with Normalize, Scrappy makes more sense
Well, tbf
terse pollen
Wiki says its passive is Scrappy
sweet crypt
Adaptability Normalize on Gigas is a free ×2 to literally every move
sweet crypt
Wiki says its passive is Scrappy
Ok yeah that makes sense
I used Regigigas once I can't remember this well
I remembered it performing pretty well though
Anyways, I can't remember what HA they gave Golisopod
I think it might have been Regenerator?
terse pollen
I've been using Rotom with its Passive Hadron Engine so far and it's been goated
sweet crypt
I definitely could've sworn Golisopod has a HA in Pokerogue
terse pollen
Wiki says its HA is Anticipation
terse pollen
Yep
sweet crypt
All the other drawback ability mons had their drawback abilities swapped out for less crippling but still negative abilities
Golisopod's just being a worthless ability makes sense, as Emergency Exit is far less crippling than Slow Start, Truant or Defeatist
Heck, Archeops upgraded from Defeatist to Emergency Exit
Also apparently Archeops' Rocky Payload was changed to Multiscale a while back
Which makes sense I guess, since with its abilities it really doesn't want to go below 50%
And halving damage is a very good way of taking less damage
(Woah who could've guessed)
I've used both Regigigas and Slaking before
Though at the time Slaking had Guts instead of Comatose
And I kept Truant because Slaking gets Skill Swap as an egg move
And swapping Truant onto random Pokemon is very funny
sweet crypt
But Truant Mega Rayquaza or Eternatus sounds very funny
I often would use Skill Swap before then since I was going for Slaking as main carry
sweet crypt
But you can always swap out then swap back in right
Why would I want to when I can just one shot sweep instead
terse pollen
Because funny
sweet crypt
I cripple my opponent with Skill Swap, set up as much as I can and then start murdering shit
lavish dune
I think I might run a nuzlocke of oras for my second one, seeing as it was the first Pokemon game I ever had for myself
Wish I knew where the cartridge was
frank lily
Nice way to start the week
noble zealot
past cairn
I forgot how shit the offline NPC dynamax raid partners are like why tf are there gimmick Pokemon in the roster wtf!?
How is a wobbefett gonna help me when it can't predict or survive a turn for shit
And the sv ones aren't much better I remember they're ass too
unkempt egret
the Swish ones are very much intended for tier 2 raids since most of them fall apart the moment a raid shield goes up rofl
the SV ones at least attack most of the time (and more importantly, don't penalize you when they faint)
the fact that they can't dynamax/tera though does make them both irrelevant damage-wise though
pastel gull
I forgot how shit the offline NPC dynamax raid partners are like why tf are ther...
martins solrock
pastel gull
true
past cairn
if I made it so losing a den meant a death that dude would be responsible for like 8 deaths
pastel gull
i hate how in S/V the raid timer ticks down during animations, youre waiting for the stat boosts, attack animations, the lag, the shield to go up, all while the timer continues to go down
past cairn
Which I didn't because if a Pokemon loses one it's on 1hp not fainted
Omg I forgot how shit that was
I haven't touched that game since I first played it and I doubt I'll ever touch that crap again
pastel gull
all while you either do minimal damage or one shot the raid pokemon
pastel gull
I haven't touched that game since I first played it and I doubt I'll ever touch ...
s/v on switch 2 is actually pretty good
i hear
they should've delayed the games release to the switch 2
past cairn
The day I buy a switch 2 is the day U check up on me cause I'm either been replaced by a clone or I hit the jackpot cause I ain't ever wasting money on that crap when U don't even own that shit
pastel gull
lmao
i might get one specifically to play the new tomodachi life when that comes out (it'll probably be an exclusive)
past cairn
And if I ever get gifted one imma accept it but imma feel SO bad for whoever bought it cause it's a waste of money
past cairn
Mhm
pastel gull
ive only been using it for X/Y and the gen 7 3ds games
although the 3ds clock seems to be fucked up with an emulator, it'll be 7pm irl but the game will say its midnight
wait nvm thats likely me abusing speedup
past cairn
Lol
unkempt egret
I'd say gen 5 feels like the point where I can play without speedups of any kind
supple basalt
Shiny hunting Absol in ORAS: Top priority when I'm finished with work. No Wolf Quest, no Skyrim, no new Pokemon games. No PIF
devout crag
What is bro pulling with at the run and bun e4
modern oar
That reminds me that I should get back to playing run and bun today.
modern oar
I'm not doing permadeath by the way, so I'm having an easier time on run and bun than Nuzlockers.
sage moss
Not sure how many people here have a living dex. I’ve had an active one since 2013 and just catch the new things.
shadow wigeon
I forgot how much this game assumes you don’t know about Pokémon LMAO
pastel gull
what game is that
shadow wigeon
Conquest
shadow wigeon
It was for the DS
sage moss
It’s around the black and white era
pastel gull
cool
shadow wigeon
Basically, Fire Emblem gameplay with Pokémon
And every human character is based on an actual Japanese warlord
sage moss
Similar to Final Fantasy tactics as well
shadow wigeon
If you thought Darmanitan was broken in the mainline games, then hoo BOY are you in for an awakening
You get Darumaka in the first kingdom you conquer, its move is Flame Wheel which pairs ridiculously with its Run Up ability, the next kingdom you fight is Grass
Then after the Water kingdom you fight Electric which Darumaka and Carnivine are an awesome team for
Then is Bug, whose only Mon that isn’t weak to Fire is a Spheal whose move is Powder Snow
terse pollen
I forgot how much this game assumes you don’t know about Pokémon LMAO
pokemon conquest? in 2025?
shadow wigeon
Then the Fighting kingdom has a Pansage and is also just not good at dealing with Flame Wheel
Next you can fight the Psychic or Ground kingdoms, but if you choose Psychic you can deal with Ayas Snorunt easy
And then it evolves, and gains the two most busted attributes of this game
Fire Blast and the ability Spirit
FB hits seven spaces in a Star shape around you and does more damage than any other Fire move, it’s a bit inaccurate but not nearly as bad as in the mainline
And SPIRIT:
If Darmanitan goes below 1/3 health without dying, it heals all the way to full and gets an attack boost
This thing can clear CROWDS
warm rose
Wow
terse pollen
fancy pants tyrogue
supple basalt
I forgot Zacian is bigger than Koraidon lol
wild ore
After I complete omega ruby delta episode what pkm game should I play?
My dad has atleast 1 game for every gen
What should I play after?
Im considering the Gen 2 remakes
wild ore
Not sure how many people here have a living dex. I’ve had an active one since 20...
That’s actually an insane achievement bro good job🤑
wild ore
i hate how in S/V the raid timer ticks down during animations, youre waiting for...
I understand that sword and shield have some amazing animations but why tf they SO LONG
I suffered so hard just sitting through 30 year animations against Leon
My shiny haxourus did gud in that fight
And if your wondering if I shiny hunted axew full odds?
HELL NAH
I just mesuda’d it in sv
I got rlly lucky with it in around 80 eggs?
sweet crypt
I understand that sword and shield have some amazing animations but why tf they ...
YOUR LONG
unkempt egret
all I can think of is just "your taking too long uses belly drum* IS TAKING TOO LONG."
vocal lantern
Does anyone know how to use https://github.com/ForwardFeed/er-editor for Elite Redux? I keep getting a protoc error even though I run the exe that's found in the editor files
cobalt veldt
anyone have any good pokemon fan game suggestions? with updated pokedexes would be cool
heady peak
pokemon comet is pretty cool and its dex goes up to gen 8
noble zealot
smoky gyro
Yall
Does anyone know if stakeout works on entry from pivoting moves like volt switch, u turn and flip turn?
Or does it only work if they actually GO into their pokemon menu and click switch
tropic hinge
Not sure how many people here have a living dex. I’ve had an active one since 20...
That's awesome. I've been slowly working on one through gen 8-9, and it's coming along slowly.
sweet crypt
Does anyone know if stakeout works on entry from pivoting moves like volt switch...
No clue, the best Stakeout Pokemon being MABOSSTIFF really doesn't help with actually knowing how it works since nobody really uses Mabosstiff
terse pollen
Wait is Stakeout just pursuit but bad
smoky gyro
Not technically
Pursuit hits the mon BEFORE switching out, stakeout doubles the damage of the Pokemon switching IN
smoky gyro
We do a bit of trolling
sweet crypt
Someone should run Heavy Duty Boots Magic Guard Clefable specifically to bait Toxic for a free turn
It'd be fucking hilarious
Terrible
But hilarious
wild ore
Repost but I just wanted to share my oras champion team
lavish dune
dont think ive ever seen a more oras team
shut fable
What’s your guys’ dream fanmade sequel to a Pokémon game? I’d kill for some gba or ds era Pokémon TCG RPG sequels, with each generations’ card expansions
modern oar
I don't entirely know what fanmade sequel game I would dream for.
noble zealot
Diamond 2 and Pearl 2, preferably with Platinum as the base. A B2W2 style sequel would be awesome.
shut fable
Diamond 2 and Pearl 2, preferably with Platinum as the base. A B2W2 style sequel...
That’d be cool, especially if you played with the whole ‘time and space’ aspect for certain areas. Could see Celebi get used as well because of the whole time travel thing
pastel gull
I understand that sword and shield have some amazing animations but why tf they ...
atleast it wasnt timed
and yes they are amazing
terse pollen
I loved having 3 npcs one of which used only set up moves and the others only used not very effective ones
unkempt egret
in a game mode where any attack, no matter how small is important
(as I said I feel like the shield mechanic was added after the AI movesets but they still very much want you to go with other players)
noble zealot
I loved having 3 npcs one of which used only set up moves and the others only us...
People talk about that Solrock when the Wobbuffet is arguably worse since its attacks depend on it being targeted, and the enemy AI seems to focus on the player more.
At least Solrock can attack on its own (even though it rarely does).
terse pollen
Awesome, so one only uses set up moves, the other does nothing, and another one only uses not very effective ones
quasi dagger
Sadly you couldn’t catch both😭💔
i grabbed marshadow i love that lil guy
wild ore
W
quasi dagger
i sent him in late against eternatus and stole all its stat boosts with spectral thief lol
wild ore
Cus you can’t get the horse to its max potential without calyrex
wild ore
i sent him in late against eternatus and stole all its stat boosts with spectral...
lol
This was my first win team 2 weeks ago
All were fat W’s except for archuludon that i got from a trade thing which was ass cheeks
wild ore
T3 shiny
Not 3 megas
Only gengar and Alana came
Alakazam*
I wish I got venasaur even tho I somehow didn’t since I got the bracelet on wave 46
wild ore
orange flamingo
Oh fun fact I hatched the t3 shiny flamigo from an egg!
And it’s one of the teammates that’s on every team
Alongside venasaur
With earth power and malagnet chain
terse pollen
This was my first win team 2 weeks ago
Yo nice
I also got my first win with mega alakazm
terse pollen
True
wild ore
He’s just a fucking cannon
wild ore
No sadly
But
One
Thing
Cloyster
A fucking beast of a minigun with skill link shell smash icicle spear and razor shell
quasi dagger
I wish I got venasaur even tho I somehow didn’t since I got the bracelet on wave...
oh idk the difference between mega and regular ig
unkempt egret
Tamodachimon
pastel gull
bruh one of the first trainers in OR/AS has a full restore??
unkempt egret
oh yea the rich boys/lasses do that sometimes
I believe that was the case in either R/S or Emerald too
quasi dagger
yeah the rich trainer before and after the forest have full restores i believe
they also give a boatload of early game money
unkempt egret
and even midgame/lategame money if you can register them on pokenav
noble zealot
The fact that this might be a real take somebody has is downright depressing.
unkempt egret
ngl I remember that argument actually being kind of a thing in pokemon GO's PvP specifically, though with giratina instead of dragapult and "wiggly is viable in UL" which I think that was before the XL update
for reference UL in Go is hard capped at 2500 CP (so something like giratina is still good, but mostly because it's defensive rather than just being strong) and wiggly maxed out at... 1800 or 1900 at the time?
checks* 1926 without XL, 2178 with. Still hilarious that giratina was common enough that wigglytuff was brought in to hard counter it. Mega Audino would be better at doing that nowadays but it suffers from having two of the worst quick moves in the game.
in main series though that is an absolute take and a half
narrow pine
I've learned is that people will always underestimate threats in theory without practice
Or overestimate and then something falls completely flat
lucid phoenix
i have a vile idea
the ol' jitterbug but its penny and our mom in sv
hardy vortex
Would anyone like to trade Miraidon for Koraidon?
smoky gyro
Unaware doesnt save you from stored power having more base power buddy boi
sweet crypt
Unaware doesnt save you from stored power having more base power buddy boi
Unironically a pretty massive reason why Espathra is banned in OU
Being a setup sweeper that also blows up Unaware mons is really nice
Though with only this context, I wouldn't rule out the possibility that this is just Magic Guard and not Unaware
smoky gyro
I am like 99% sure its unaware
The last fire blast did like 37% and then terra fire fire blast did 45% AFTER a calm mind
Stab alone isnt giving you more damage when I was setting up still
sweet crypt
If it was Unaware, wouldn't it rise by 1.5×?
What happened is the first Fire Blast was after 1 Calm Mind
And the 2nd Fire Blast was after the 2nd and Tera
Fire Blast has 1.5× more Power, and your special bulk rises by 1.333 compared to previously, causing Fire Blast's to be reduced by 75% more of what it would've been the previous turn
At least I'd assume that'd be the case
Could be from +2 to +3 as well
sweet crypt
Could be from +2 to +3 as well
Doing the math, I believe it is a +2 from +3
So it was Magic Guard
Possibly Life Orb since that's pretty high damage
None of the base Clefable calcs match up
But I think I know what happened
On turns 1 and 2, both Life Orb Magic Guard Clefable and Leftovers Speed Boost Espathra click Calm Mind
Turn 3, Espathra clicks Calm Mind again as Clefable Fire Blasts, which ranges from 34.9% to 41.3%
37% falls within that range
On turn 4, Clefable attacks again as it Terastalises into a Fire type while Espathra clicks Calm Mind yet again, which ranges from 44.1% to 52.2% damage
Espathra then OHKOs Clefable with Stored Power the next turn
If Clefable Terastalises on the previous turn, Espathra would have lost the 1v1
Since it would be incapable of OHKOing Clefable while Clefable can easily land the 2HKO
The opponent made a massive misplay by not doing that
Additionally, if it was Unaware Leftovers, Fire Blast Tera Fire OHKOs while Stored Power misses the 50% mark after the 4 Calm Minds
What I think may have happened is that the opponent thought that they were Unaware when they were Life Orb Magic Guard
smoky gyro
But I think I know what happened
If you wanna know the exact events
T1: Both calm mind
T2: I calm mind, clef fire blast, misses
T3: I calm mind, clef fire blast, hits, ~37%
T4: I calm mind, clef fire tera, fire blast, hits, ~45%
T5: I stored power, clef explodes
And then T6 he forfeited
sweet crypt
If you wanna know the exact events
T1: Both calm mind
T2: I calm mind, clef fire...
That's strange then
Since according to the RandBats calc, that would do 31% max, assuming Life Orb
If it was Unaware, Espathra would've been dead in 2 Fire Blasts, Tera or not
sweet crypt
Espathra had lefties
Still would've died in 2 Fire Blasts if it was Unaware
smoky gyro
And roost but I didnt click roost once
sweet crypt
OK but still would've died in 2 Fire Blasts if it was Unaware unless you spammed Roost
And you still wouldn't have been able to OHKO
smoky gyro
Maybe it was magic guard then
sweet crypt
Maybe it was magic guard then
It definitely was
But the calcs not matching up is confusing me
Are you sure Clefable missed a Fire Blast on Turn 2 and didn't Calm Mind again?
+6 Lvl 80 84 SpA Espathra Stored Power (380 BP) vs. +1 Lvl 83 84 HP / 84 SpD Unaware Clefable: 234-276 (79.8 - 94.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
(All of SpA, SpD and Speed are at +6 here)
(And in a real scenario if it was Unaware, you'd be forced to spam Roost after the 3rd Calm Mind to fish for a miss)
smoky gyro
I dont remember when the fire blast missed but it definitely clicked calm mind once and missed fire miss once before tera
sweet crypt
(Where they'd just swap to Moonblast)
(And 2HKO regardless)
Perhaps you're misremembering how many times Espathra has clicked Calm Mind?
Like maybe you swapped it in in Turn 2 and just forgot
Or spent a turn using Protect
smoky gyro
No Im pretty sure both were starting mons
No protect on this set its d gleam stored power roost calm mind
sweet crypt
OK are you 100% sure you aren't misremembering
Because genuinely that's literally impossible
According to the RandBats calc
smoky gyro
Too bad the battle is closed now i cant check it
sweet crypt
+1 Lvl 83 84 SpA Life Orb Clefable Fire Blast vs. +3 Lvl 80 84 HP / 84 SpD Espathra: 74-88 (26.1 - 31%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
+1 Lvl 83 84 SpA Life Orb Tera Fire Clefable Fire Blast vs. +4 Lvl 80 84 HP / 84 SpD Espathra: 94-110 (33.2 - 38.8%) -- 99.9% chance to 3HKO
You must be misremembering Turn 2
Like what?
Like this is an extremely weird match of Ubers where both players are using unoptimal Pokemon
And not RandBats
Is that what this is
sweet crypt
I got a stupid idea
Draft League where you can only use the Unite Pokemon with their exact abilities
And moves
For example, Clefable must run Magic Guard and can only have the moves Heal Pulse, Moonlight, Draining Kiss, Disarming Voice, Gravity and Follow Me
As for Unite moves, some of them do resemble existing moves (Clefable's is like Metronome)
But idk if I'd include them since not all of them do
Like tf is spinning flame fist supposed to be in this scenario lmao
Blaziken already has Fire Punch
Some Pokemon get absolutely fucked over like Blaziken being forced to use Focus Blast for Fighting STAB
And being forced to use Blaze over Speed Boost
Pokemon like Latios get off relatively easily, with it retaining its 2 best STAB moves in Luster Purge and Draco Meteor
Common Latios W
Urshifu Rapid gets Rock Smash, Headbutt, Surging Strikes and Liquidation
So basically you run Choice Band 100% of the time
Because you will never not click Surging Strikes
(Or Choice Scarf)
Urshifu Single gets the same moveset but with Wicked Blow and Throat Chop
Ig Throat Chop can stop sound moves
But Sylveon just blows you up with Dkiss instead
Speaking of Sylveon, it gets off way easier than most
At the very least it manages to retain Pixilate Hyper Voice
And Calm Mind
So you can run either Calm Mind sets (albeit being forced to use Dkiss for recovery instead of Wish Protect) or you can run Specs (though lacking Psychic coverage for Poisons)
But you do keep Mystical Fire for Steel types
Miraidon literally cannot hit any Ground type
Mamoswine gets away mostly unscathed, sure it loses Knock Off but it retains Icicle Crash, Ice Shard, Earthquake and Thick Fat
Hoopa Unbound literally only able to use Hyperspace Fury and Psybeam is crazy
Mewtwo X becomes Mewtwo Y but worse
celest light
I’m assuming wish/protect is a solo battles thing
sweet crypt
Ngl I'm surprised that some of these movesets are somewhat logical at all
celest light
Cause I’ve never seen it and I never expected it to be good in any format
sweet crypt
I’m assuming wish/protect is a solo battles thing
Yeah I'm mainly looking at Singles here
celest light
Yee I know just never seen wish used period in doubles mostly cause if you do dare to use it it’s extremely predictable afterwards
sweet crypt
The main thing about Wish+Protect for its best users is that you can use it to heal your teammates
sweet crypt
Yee I know just never seen wish used period in doubles mostly cause if you do da...
It still is very predictable in Singles but the player using Wish Protect can read the read and punish accordingly
celest light
Ah yea
Pollen puff is the move for doubles that takes that title
sweet crypt
For example, maybe Sylveon's on low HP and trying to use Wish Protect
And the opponent Scrafty wants to set up a Dragon Dance
celest light
It still is very predictable in Singles but the player using Wish Protect can re...
Yea in doubles you don’t get the same chance to read and punish you essentially hand all that freedom to the opponent who either gets a free ko on you or has freedom to position there side differently
sweet crypt
Sylveon just uses Hyper Voice on the predict and KOs it
celest light
I wish scrafty was still optimal in doubles
Another mon for doubles who’s just “if incin isn’t legal”
sweet crypt
But if they fail to read, Scrafty can KO with Poison Jab
So both players need to be very careful in this situation
That said if Scrafty is Encore, Wish just throws the match
celest light
Yea
Where doubles only 1 player needs to be careful
sweet crypt
This is actually somewhat relevant btw
celest light
Encores huge in both formats just has less advantage overall in doubles
Imo at least
Encore can be more deadly but less guaranteed
sweet crypt
Both Scrafty and Sylveon are top Pokemon in Smogon SV NU
celest light
What’s sv
celest light
Ah gotcha
sweet crypt
And Scrafty's Dragon Dance set runs Ddance, Fighting STAB, Dark STAB and one of Encore, Pjab and Iron Head
celest light
Neither gets much play in doubles rn in vgc due to the format+ better alternatives since there’s none of the weird formats there
sweet crypt
Neither gets much play in doubles rn in vgc due to the format+ better alternativ...
Neither Sylveon nor Scrafty see usage in higher tiers of Smogon as well
If you're playing OU you're never gonna be seeing either
And most players will be playing OU
celest light
Sylveon got a little bit of play during the no restricted format but like
Everyone had a little play there whk was remotely viable other then the alternative intimidate users
sweet crypt
Scrafty's actually as good as Incineroar in SV NU
Which really says a lot about how much weaker Incineroar is in Singles
celest light
Yea it does
He goes from being the defacto best intimidate user to just being another option
narrow pine
Hazards and No recovery matter a lot more in singles
So He gets chipped down really easily regardless of item He runs
sweet crypt
Ngl it's pretty funny that ALCREMIE of all things is one of the most broken, if not the most broken Pokemon in RandBats
Like everyone I've seen talk about Alcremie in RandBats agrees that it's a massive fucking problem and should even be nerfed
I dont think I've ever faced one personally, and tbh I should be thankful for it
I mean it's basically every issue I have with Chimecho
Except you can Encore or Taunt Chimecho
You can't do that to Alcremie
Also has an incomprehensibly better type both offensively and defensively
A lot of people say Psychic's at least B tier because of Expanding Force
And this is the reason I disagree
Not every Psychic Type benefits off Expanding Force
Most just don't want to/can't rely on Psychic Terrain to be up all the time
And in the case of Chimecho it quite literally does not benefit from Psychic Terrain at all
In fact, it suffers from it by technicality
Since Psychic moves hit it harder now
But this doesn't matter because it resists Psychic and is always Tera Steel in RandBats which also resists Psychic
celest light
Wait
Randbats has balancing issues
sweet crypt
Wait
Randbats has balancing issues
A lot of the setup sweepers, ESPECIALLY bulk boosting setup sweepers, can just win if you get a bad MU vs it
And for Alcremie, 90% of matchups are bad matchups vs it
celest light
Ok I might genuinely say that is the funniest thing I will ever hear
That random battles is balanced
At all
Cause isn’t the POINT of it that it’s entirely random meaning you can just get screwed by pure luck and have 0 control of that
I honestly think it should be more random in a few regards
sweet crypt
Ok I might genuinely say that is the funniest thing I will ever hear
That random...
The issue is that if your opponent has Alcremie, there's 0 luck to it
You just lose 100% of the time
That's what I'm understanding from how people view it in RandBats
celest light
The issue is that if your opponent has Alcremie, there's 0 luck to it
The luck there is objectively the fact someone got alcremie (which sounds like an issue thag would be solved by making the mode more random then it is now)
sweet crypt
No other Pokemon is as absolute of a wincon as Alcremie
celest light
This sounds more like randoms is balanced like a deck of actual cards
Which
Makes it less random and even more luck based
sweet crypt
Also how do you even make RandBats more random
Ig like make more sets?
Though the RandBats team wants each set to be at least similar in viability
They don't want players to look at the set they got Turn 1 and instantly go "Aw shucks I got the shit set"
Which does mean Alcremie is genuinely unnerfable
Apart from lowering its level
Because like
How else are you gonna use an Alcremie lmao
Can't wait to use Decorate in a Single Battle
celest light
The issue trying to make a randomized thing balanced is simply
You cannot plan for everything
No matter what you do
It’s like saying magic or the Pokémon card game is truely balanced cause many decks are viable when in reality every game will be unbalanced
Trying to balance it just sounds like it would infinitely be frustrating mayches have a higher chance to be uneven then even
Normally those modes are treated in
Really any other context as the purely casual mode even if it’s balanced to be properly fair because your just asking for a never ending issue of matches being uneven unless you somehow make everything involved perfectly equal in strength
sweet crypt
Sure it can't be perfectly balanced
But something as blatant as an insta win Pokemon in 99% of matches is probably just a bit too far
This is probably the only time Aroma Veil is a scary ability
Perfect balancing doesn't exist for anything but that doesn't mean you should make literally 0 effort to balance
sweet crypt
Perfect balancing doesn't exist for anything but that doesn't mean you should ma...
(That said that's seemingly what Gamefreak did in Gen 9 seriously what is this)
celest light
Honestly I’d say messing up a randomized mode to be like that is a bigger mess up then game freak could dream up
sweet crypt
Honestly I’d say messing up a randomized mode to be like that is a bigger mess u...
Idk though, it's inherently harder to balance a randomised mode
celest light
True but it’s also inherently funnier to have something that strong in the mode
sweet crypt
And yet Gamefreak still manages to make multiple Pokemon that are nearly complete wincons in even Ubers
cough cough Tera Calyrex Shadow
cough cough Gen 8 Zacian
And like you said, at least you aren't always gonna be getting/fighting Alcremie
Anyone can just pick these when they want
celest light
I don’t think Ubers is. Great example of there balance
Cause they’ve had mons that felt like that and vgc adapts and has such wide strats that work to beat those mons without needing them period
If they’re wincons to that level in smogens stuff
But not the official format
That’s not a solely game freak thing anymore it’s either the skill range of the players or a limitation of the formats
Every time there’s been an issue mon in the official format it’s never purely the strongest with 0 workarounds
Zacian might be the only one who’s dominated regardless of what was going on for the one gen and the nerfs stopped it from continuing as dominant next time it had the chance
sweet crypt
Every time there’s been an issue mon in the official format it’s never purely th...
So what you're saying is Zacian is just a bitch
unkempt egret
"literally or metaphorically speaking." smacked*
celest light
So what you're saying is Zacian is just a bitch
I cannot tell if this is a joke or not and I have no clue how to respond to it if it isn’t?
unkempt egret
I would say "pokemon is like kirby and sometimes just lets the player obtain ULTIMATE POWER without regard for the consequences" but the gen 8 wolfos are postgame
smoky gyro
Yea ||Steelix|| worked
Bro how did I think of ||Scizor as a metal coat user and somehow not Steelix||
unkempt egret
I mean scizor is also a metal coat user so not wrong there, just in the context of the question
sweet crypt
Saw a Pinkacross post asking which is more likely between Focus Blast miss and Scald Burn
And the number of people saying that Focus Blast has a 70% chance to miss shocks me
Because what does that prove, Scald has a 70% chance to burn, it's common knowledge
(/j)
west mason
what is the best pokemon fangame that i should play, im looking for new game to play
inland crane
I just caught a shiny fr
west mason
nice
sweet crypt
I just caught a shiny fr
Wait there's an Unlimited Mode?
inland crane
yeah
sweet crypt
Made a line of bovids
indigo venture
so... i would recommend Pokemon Too Many Types @west mason
cobalt veldt
has anyone played grueling gold? I'm trying to play but i keep getting an error, "interpreter" line 182: EventScriptError occured. EventScriptError
if anyone could help that would be much appreciated!
west mason
idk how to download or play that tho
tidal sapphire
Reborn thats the fucker.
indigo venture
idk how to download or play that tho
you just sit back and wait
west mason
*Reborn* thats the fucker.
indigo venture
I'll figure that out
tidal sapphire
Ok i guess that might be the one when the hell did they change their internal name?
cobalt veldt
does it have rowlet. thats my game litmus test.
-not clark kent
tidal sapphire
It has all the starters in neat type-specific rows up to, like... gen 7 or 8 last i updated
cobalt veldt
awesome! ive never heard of reborn but ive been wanting to play more fan games, what's reborn like?
sweet crypt
are they the same?
Rejuvenation has up to Gen 8 and is currently in development and to my knowledge will be adding Gen 9 stuff soon
Reborn is a fully finished game
And has Pokemon up to Gen 8
tidal sapphire
Same makers i guess, but definitely the reborn, that colorful X is a noted icon
sweet crypt
7*
Typod
Reborn and Rejuvenation do share some devs to my knowledge, though they have different lead developers
west mason
Same makers i guess, but definitely the reborn, that colorful X is a noted icon
does it have fakimon or anything or is it only real pokemons?
west mason
Reborn and Rejuvenation do share some devs to my knowledge, though they have dif...
oki
good to know
sweet crypt
does it have fakimon or anything or is it only real pokemons?
There are a few fakemon forms that are unobtainable
All of them between both games are all bosses iirc
tidal sapphire
Yesn't. They exist, but most are just boss encounters with a gimick of some kind
and theres.. something of a branching plot line, so if you dont want to go in blind i'd pick up a guide somewhere
sweet crypt
Idk what the difficulty in Rejuvenation is like since I haven't played it yet, but fair warning: Reborn is certainly not an easy hack. It does give very easy access to EV training, removing IVs, guaranteeing good IVs, removing EVs etc through a password system at the start of the game (as does Rejuvenation), but it certainly makes up for the ease of training by being difficult
Whether or not that's a good thing or bad thing depends on your opinion
I personally don't mind as I don't find it difficult to the point of tedium or annoyance, but I know a lot of people in this server do have issues with difficult fangames and romhacks
tidal sapphire
Yeah, theres a list of codes you can pop in for setting adjustment. Think its on the website, i personally run with permanent weather.
sweet crypt
Yeah, theres a list of codes you can pop in for setting adjustment. Think its on...
I'm not Gen 5 coded enough for that
I mostly just run a lot of the passwords that ease up grinding
Because long grinds are cringe
I think I'll wait on Rejuvenation to update more before playing it, because I really want to play the full game in 1 sitting and at the very least I do kinda want to use one of the Paldean starters
west mason
what does mirror mean?
sweet crypt
Well not 1 sitting
But like
You get what I mean it'd feel weird to just play a lot of the game
tidal sapphire
In case the first download link is dead for some reason, a mirror is usually a backup on a different website
sweet crypt
And then have to wait a while for the rest of the game to be added
west mason
uhh, so its a backup kinda?
modern oar
uhh, so its a backup kinda?
I believe that would be what it is, usually you don't use that one unless there main link is not working.
sweet crypt
<@716584336912154689> ?
Should be
west mason
oki
pastel gull
the name rates guy in OR/AS roasted my mudkips nickname and then called it good??
west mason
Should be
are megas and anything like that in the game?
@sweet crypt
@tidal sapphire
sage ferry
megas are in reborn
west mason
ok
sweet crypt
are megas and anything like that in the game?
Yes
sweet crypt
It's funny to me that like
One of the best minor legendaries in Singles is Heatran
Who most consider one of the most forgettable and least legendary legendaries
And also one of the better mythicals in Singles is Volcanion who is in the exact same situation
It's just funny to me that 2 of the "least legendary" legendaries are easily in the upper half when it comes to battle prowess
inland crane
I am sure all Hisui added pokemon are dual types. Or does it consider it as long as it spawns there
terse pollen
I think it has to originate from Hisui
But that's a tough one I'm not sure what it could be
inland crane
Basculin White Stripe, maybe?
yeah that worked
sweet crypt
Can't think of any others
inland crane
there is none other than that
sweet crypt
I'd imagine that Basculin White Stripe has a 100% pick rate as a result
inland crane
I play unlimited so it doesnt show
inland crane
what game is this
indigo venture
FUCKING HELL YEAAAAAAAAAAA
don't be too happy about it mate... it doesn't work for shit when I'm using it
you know how many shiny pokemon I got?
0
wild ore
don't be too happy about it mate... it doesn't work for shit when I'm using it
My luck is different trust
Also I found dynamax band
With venasaur as my only Mon who can use it
And im trying to get mega
So
Yea
sweet crypt
Doesn't sound different in a good way tbh
I'm not the only one whose SSS luck is closer to FFF right?
Like luck is such a scam in Pokerogue
Don't bother with it like ever
Focus on actually making a good team
wild ore
I have A- luck and typically get decent luck and the typical rouge item once in like 40 rounds
Haven’t gotten a master ball tier in forever
Wait no I did on my winning run but it was on 195
Where I can’t catch anything
Luckily I didn’t find anything
wild ore
Focus on actually making a good team
I mean part of my good team is a T3 shiny flamigo
sweet crypt
I have A- luck and typically get decent luck and the typical rouge item once in ...
I get rogue items when I get a guaranteed Rogue Item from events, rival battles and the evil team leader
wild ore
Oh those are guaranteed!?
sweet crypt
... And very rarely other times, but it's always those damn worthless rogue balls
And whenever I get a Master Ball Item like once every 10 years, it's always a master ball I end up never using or those fuckass splicers
indigo venture
My luck is different trust
so you're one of those people that have trouble finding regular pokemon after getting a shiny charm
sweet crypt
Not once have I gotten splicers when they are actually good for something
wild ore
Speaking off
sweet crypt
And if I plan around them I don't get them
modern oar
You talking about Pokerogue is making me want to play it again.
wild ore
I got a master ball on wave too lol
2
Haven’t used it yet
Hopefully I can find a legend or shiny
sweet crypt
Like the DNA Splicers more often hurt a run than anything else
wild ore
Speaking of rouge item
Got some more vakls
Balls
Ong bro
I threw 3 rouge balls at a dragonite for the dex
Broke one no shake
Threw a pokeball
Caught first ball
Like wtf????
sweet crypt
I can count on a singular hand the number of times I've used any Pokeball in the last 50 runs
They just provide no worth to me anymore
And even before 100% dex completion they aren't all that useful, I got most of my Pokemon from eggs instead
sweet crypt
Let them cook
wild ore
ON wave 141 current
Currently
This run looks good
Maybe I could try a shell smash sweep on ivy with cloyster
Wait mb not 141
sweet crypt
Maybe I could try a shell smash sweep on ivy with cloyster
What is the Rival's lead?
And do you have the Ice Scales Passive?
wild ore
I don’t have ice scales
But I have skill link
And mb I meant 131
I miss read the word
sweet crypt
I don’t have ice scales
OK so you haven't unlocked Cloyster's passive then?
And what is the starter?
sweet crypt
Idk if you can set up on that to be honest
wild ore
Inteleon
sweet crypt
You may resist Water, but Cloyster is infamously extremely specially frail
wild ore
I’ll send in venasaur to force a switch
sweet crypt
And Inteleon is one of the hardest hitters of the special attacking Water types
wild ore
Then set up on her other mon
sweet crypt
I’ll send in venasaur to force a switch
I see
I think Venusaur into hard swap to Cloyster gives you a free turn
sweet crypt
The rival probably swaps Rayquaza into Venusaur
wild ore
Maybe
sweet crypt
And Rayquaza would probably be swapped out of Cloyster
What's the regional bird actually?
sweet crypt
If it's Talonflame or Corviknight then it may swap to one of those instead
sweet crypt
Unfezant i think?
OK so it should be Rayquaza
So you should be able to force a switch with Cloyster for a free Shell Smash
unkempt egret
Like the DNA Splicers more often hurt a run than anything else
most of the time I just use them to squeeze an extra medal out of the current run while maintaining shiny luck but that's a niche use case
wild ore
Dawg💔
I don’t even know what I would fuse
Wait
Does passive stay with a fusion?
Dude I’m so like
I don’t know what to fuse
Someone pls help
sweet crypt
I don’t know what to fuse
You don't
sweet crypt
If you don't have endless fused and REALLY REALLY want it, fuse your 2 most worthless Pokemon
2 Pokemon you'd never ever use otherwise
wild ore
Do you get to choose the ability’s nature and type when u fuse?
Cus zigzagoon with gallade could be good as a normal psychic
Immune to ghost and resists fighting
That’s 2 weaknesses gone
wild ore
I’ll just go zigzagoon with gallade
sweet crypt
Cus zigzagoon with gallade could be good as a normal psychic
Also Zigzagoon's stats really hurt Gallade
sweet crypt
And both Gallade and Linoone really rely on their base abilities
wild ore
Augh uh
sweet crypt
Linoone needs Pickup to fill the support role
wild ore
Yea I have pickup so nvm
sweet crypt
And Gallade really needs Sharpness
wild ore
Flamigo and cloyster?
sweet crypt
Flamigo and cloyster?
Would not recommend
wild ore
Why
sweet crypt
I just don't see them performing better while fused as opposed to separate tbh
unkempt egret
maybe venusaur and gastro? that might leave you with grass/ground tho
unkempt egret
yea
wild ore
Hm
sweet crypt
And tangled feet does jack shit
Why haven't you gotten Scrappy yet
That's literally a base ability
unkempt egret
and the reverse is water/poison with gasto's lost ability
wild ore
Why haven't you gotten Scrappy yet
Idk
unkempt egret
yea I'd say if none of those have medals yet then just skip
unkempt egret
otherwise throw something with a medal into something else that isn't your carry
sweet crypt
But yeah I just don't see how they'd perform better while Fused at all
wild ore
Gastrodon and gallade?
sweet crypt
And it becomes worthless
wild ore
That wa stupid
sweet crypt
Fusion just sucks unless you plan around it
wild ore
Augh fine I’ll just skip it
sweet crypt
And since it's a master rank item, you don't want to plan around it
Because you don't want to give RNG a way to fuck you over
You want 100% consistent strats
unkempt egret
at most you do it for the achievement, same with stellar tera
though with how I play I usually have some use for it if I'm before wave 170 since that's usually when I drop my luck boosters for random cheeky medal snags
wild ore
I found a Tera fire shard
there’s also Tera blast
Wait
Tera blast on flamigo?
Since wing attack is the only good flying move on my flamingo
wild ore
Nvm uh
unkempt egret
keep in mind it's an 80 base power normal special move if you aren't tera'ed
sweet crypt
No it uses which ever stat is higher
Only if you Tera
unkempt egret
only if you're tera'ed
wild ore
sweet crypt
Very bad phrasing
unkempt egret
hence why you usually only reliably see it on normal special attackers but most prefer hyper voice
sweet crypt
Because it literally only uses the higher stat if you're Terad
sweet crypt
Unless Pokerogue changes that, but even then
wild ore
I was gonna give it to linoone
sweet crypt
What good is an 80 BP physical Normal move on Flamigo
unkempt egret
sadly that's a thing in vanilla which is why it's here
wild ore
So he’d have sum else other then extreme speed
sweet crypt
So he’d have sum else other then extreme speed
Same BP but priority
unkempt egret
E-Speed is all you need lol
sweet crypt
I do not see the point in doing that either
wild ore
Yea but only 5 pp
unkempt egret
just slap some PP ups on it and you're good to go
sweet crypt
Yea but only 5 pp
Realistically are you using Linoone enough for that to matter
sweet crypt
Fire Tera shard?
What evil team?
sweet crypt
I could see it for the Bug resist but I'd be averse to it
Especially since Guzma's lead in 165 is Golisopod
Who will then just smack you with a nasty Water move
unkempt egret
yea if you're using linoone in battle and it's not your carry it's absolutely a panic strat to try to snag a belly drum
sweet crypt
Golisipod does jack shit to cloyster so free shell smash sweep
And it would do shit if you were Tera Fire
So really, it wouldn't be useful
wild ore
Yes
sweet crypt
It'd also not be useful on Rival 195 since it actively sabotages a few good MUs you want with it
From what I know
sweet crypt
Also, be careful about Xurkitree in the 165 Guzma battle
Since I believe it can get Thunderclap as an egg move
wild ore
HE HAS A XURKITREE?
sweet crypt
And Thunderclap will undoubtedly OHKO both Cloyster and Flamigo
While being priority
wild ore
THIS THE SAME SHIT AS GALARIAN MOLTRES ON CHAIRMAN ROSE
sweet crypt
THIS THE SAME SHIT AS GALARIAN MOLTRES ON CHAIRMAN ROSE
Yes
If Guzma had his base team, he'd get steamrolled
You've also already seen Rayquaza at 145
unkempt egret
all of the teams have.... 2 legends I think?
wild ore
WHAT THE FUCK
unkempt egret
one sub legend and one box legend