other-pokemon-games

[sweet crypt]

Fun fact, they kinda stole Buzzwole's stat spread for another Pokemon with the Fighting Type and 570 BST like 2 generations later

[lyric radish]

typhlosion charizard moment

[sweet crypt]

Not to that extent, but it is pretty ridiculous

[lyric radish]

effectivly just faster

the tiny atk def and hp doesent rly matter

[sweet crypt]

There's basically 0 difference between the 2 stats wise

[lyric radish]

yo

[sweet crypt]

Great Tusk has the better type and Rapid Spin while Buzzwole has Roost, that and their abilities are the biggest differences between them

[sweet crypt]

You already have the shiny apparently so who cares

[lyric radish]

a shiny is a shiny

and candy

belive it or not thats 2 diffrent pokemons with the same typing

[sweet crypt]

Both also tend to drop one of their STABs

Tusk usually drops Fighting STAB

And Buzzwole usually drops Bug STAB

[lyric radish]

so are theese

[sweet crypt]

Ofc you can see Tusks and Buzzwoles using Fighting and Bug STABs, it just isn't quite the most common

[lyric radish]

and another 2 mons...

the 6 criminals with all same typing as their counterpart too

[sweet crypt]

On the bright side, Mega Typhlosion would probably end up becoming Mega Zard but less Rock weak with Eruption

That said, base Zard is still better than base Typhlosion

So like

[lyric radish]

wich mega zard xd

[sweet crypt]

The funny sun one

Sun boosted Eruption sounds fun until you realise you're a Mega

So you're obligated to start every battle at 75% or less HP

Zard has it worse at least

That said Zard has still just been better than Typhlosion for most of their lifetimes

[lyric radish]

theres no boss on 175 rigth?

[sweet crypt]

Nope

Depending on your gym cycle there may be one at 180

So save your Tera Psychic

[lyric radish]

had to know if i could burn tera for no reason

[sweet crypt]

Oh

Well then

[lyric radish]

ill rat it

i got this so im not too too worried

I AM BEING HAUNTED

i will commit murder if i see this bs again

lation you want to get a grave readdy?

atleast i got somthing

so 180 was free he switched to houndom turn 1 so i used 1 nasty plot and OHKO everything but a torkoal who missed hes heat wave

@sweet crypt uhm... i have no idea who he is

[sweet crypt]

Holy fucking throw

[sweet crypt]

Dark trainer

If you can get 1 Nasty Plot off without taking too much damage though, Tachyon Cutter should be able to OHKO everything

[lyric radish]

ive used 1 nasty plot while tanking hes mightyena and ohko everything...

[sweet crypt]

Like that

[lyric radish]

that what happened xd

[sweet crypt]

Sukcer Punch was why I was worried about taking damage

I have had Sidney's Pokemon use Sucker Punch on me before

[lyric radish]

he never used suckler punch at all

[sweet crypt]

Phoebe is next, a Ghost trainer

[lyric radish]

i came out with full hp

[sweet crypt]

If you can tank the first hit, once again, you've won

[lyric radish]

so this is the worst elite 4 for me ffs

[sweet crypt]

Dark probably is worse

[lyric radish]

first dark now ghost is the next ground?

[sweet crypt]

Since there's the risk of Sucker Punch

Next is Ice, free win

Then Dragon, rigged in your favour

[lyric radish]

yeah but im talking all 4 combined

[sweet crypt]

Then either Steven Stone or Wallace

Steven Stone uses a bunch of Steel types

So it may take more than 1 hit per KO

But he shouldn't have anything too threatening for you in return so you can set up to +6

Wallace mainly uses Water types

Tachyon Cutter won't be as effective but Psystrike is still here

[lyric radish]

on ghost trainer do i do 2 nasty plot? she has sableye and she did like 1/5th of my hp after lefties

[sweet crypt]

Lead Sableye?

Free +2

[lyric radish]

yeah

[sweet crypt]

Or +4

Or even a +6

To be safe I'd use 2 Nasty Plots for the +4

In case there's a priority user in the back

[lyric radish]

ill only do +4 so i wont have to max heal and i can use only a hyper or super to save money

[sweet crypt]

Or a really fatass mon

[lyric radish]

he had dusknoir but he was OHKO before multi lens

ofc

[sweet crypt]

*She

Next is Glacia

Ice trainer should be free, but watch out for Froslass I think she may have one of those

As long as you don't throw, you should tank any hit from it

And if it has shitty enough IVs, you may even outspeed

[lyric radish]

so turn 1 she misses i nasty plot...

[lyric radish]

btw i realized i missinformed you about my nature i have +spd not +spatk

so yes i outspeed

i realized it rigth before i faced the ghost E4 xd

i only went for +2 so i dident OHKO walrein but i tanked and killed next turn

the rest got OHKO and outspeed

drake switched turn 1 so i got free +2 and ohko everyone exept salamance but he uses outrage and bearly does a dent in my hp

wallace is Champ

got +4 against pelipper

focus band makes me surivive swampert WHO OUTSPEED?!

[sweet crypt]

Swift Swim

[lyric radish]

WTF IS THAT SPEED

[sweet crypt]

Doubled Speed in Rain

[lyric radish]

sttill i have 3 soul dews

i got 650 speed

almost more then my spatk

[sweet crypt]

Swampert can get close to that at Level 100

It can't be understated how much a ×2 boost is

[lyric radish]

me with my +4 spatk XD

lati*s gets quick claw proc and para on dragon breth but i survive bearly and kill

and i still outspeed and OHKO walrein even with para

[sweet crypt]

Does Wallace still have a Regieleki

I forgot

[lyric radish]

winning the match

[lyric radish]

no

[sweet crypt]

Evidently not

Remember to save Tera for Eternatus

[lyric radish]

brb in like 5min

[lyric radish]

ik

[sweet crypt]

And get to +6 on Corviknight to ensure that Mega Rayquaza is instantly cooked

[lyric radish]

Normal ray was used last and outspeed by me on 145

[sweet crypt]

Are you sure you're +speed

That's extremely concerning

Rayquaza is straight up SLOWER than Iron Crown

Mega Rayquaza is faster than it

Go for an X Speed

[lyric radish]

yes

[lyric radish]

i think you got my msg wrong i outspeed ray not the other way

[sweet crypt]

In my defence I'm stupid

[lyric radish]

not compared to me

[sweet crypt]

At that speed you should outspeed unless you get bad RNG with Mega Ray Carbos

[lyric radish]

i also have 2 quick claws just in case

so im +6 and hes so weak leftovers healed me back to 100%

he used brave bird and i still became 100% hp...

he SWTICHES to arcenine who gets removed from this dimention in 0.1 seconds

then snorlax despawns

cyclizard gone

then mega ray DUN DUN DUUUU

do i tera for more dmg? 🙂

i dont OHKO but tank hurricane easy

with +1spd mega ray outspeed me

then corv comes back to die

then the veanasaur dies last

i want to jump of a cliff

MY GUY I DONT WANT IT

-_-

i am being trolled

spiderman meme

@sweet crypt i got +2 i OHKO normal version look at what he stole...

welp i just killed him twice and no joke rat was the MVP

the hardest figth was guzma ngl

im starting to get a few maxed out mons

my no passive list is getting short and is mostly legends

im also getting a god few ribbons

but yeah ima sleep now unlike you ever to latios xd so goodnigth thanks for all the help!

[lyric radish]

oh yeah i started a new rando run ill prob catch a sixth pokemon just to get medal but wont use it in combat

so far it hasent been easy tho since my carry is still only a kubfu

and im hoping mawile will carry Eturn

[slow shuttle]

What game is this?

[lyric radish]

poekrogue

pokerogue*

[slow shuttle]

Thx 😄

[lyric radish]

im still mad that they have a pokemon z-a channel and not pokerogue even tho pokerogue had over 100k at all times when it was popular 😭

[lyric radish]

btw you are warned it will be hard in the start the more you play the easier it gets but many people hate it couse of its difficolty

lets go i went with water since i have a water move so i get stab an my oposing team is Aqua so a resistence there is nice

and rival's starter is charizard so i got good matchup there too even tho im figthing

[lyric radish]

wild magearna

[delicate hollow]

I will never complete Pokerogue

No full healing between battles? Give me a break bruh

[sweet crypt]

One is an unofficial fangame and the other is the next mainline game

That's getting a ton of hype

Because of Megas

[lyric radish]

still they shouldent care about whats a fangame or not seeing as they themself are a fangame discord

[sweet crypt]

These are the first official Megas in like, over a decade

[lyric radish]

get money then you can full heal if not you get a free ful heal every 10 rounds

[sweet crypt]

And the first time in 8 years they are actually in the game

[potent plank]

what is this game?

[lyric radish]

i mean they have had other gimmics in the time tho

[lyric radish]

pokerogue

[lyric radish]

let's go...

[sweet crypt]

OK but let's be real nobody like Dynamax or Tera

[lyric radish]

z-moves

[sweet crypt]

In fact so little people like Dynamax they just turned the Gmax forms into Megas in Pokerogue and called it quits

[lyric radish]

i liked z-moves a fair bit

[sweet crypt]

Z Moves were cool though, but they also haven't existed for 8 years

[lyric radish]

and tera gives competative a pretty nice more complex touch not like i dont play gen-7 the most couse megas but...

[sweet crypt]

Dynamax is just the worst mechanic in Pokemon

[lyric radish]

true

[sweet crypt]

Tera's pretty shit too

But like at least some people like Tera

Nobody likes Dynamax

[lyric radish]

its shit outside competative in competative the more complex touch and more creativity is nice

tera is the one thing that is unpredicteble

[sweet crypt]

I dont like just how unpredictable Tera can be personally

[lyric radish]

megas you can predict and they are basicly just a stat boost dynamax well its dynamax no more needed

[sweet crypt]

Every turn becomes a guessing game

And I'm not too fond of it

Also, some bring up how Tera can bring certain weaker Pokemon more relevance

[lyric radish]

btw your call about the revive seed being stolen by eternatus did happen yeasterday XD i just killed him twice instead tho

[sweet crypt]

But ultimately, they get 0 boost

[lyric radish]

fr

[sweet crypt]

Because why use Tera on a bad Pokemon to make in on standard

When you can use it on a standard Pokemon to make it great

Or a great Pokemon to make it broken

[lyric radish]

yeah you could rather use it on a good pokemon to save it from death

[sweet crypt]

Nobody's using their Tera to facilitate a Frosmoth sweep

If they wanted to Terastalise a Quiver Dancer they'd do it for Volcarona

And other sweepers are far more viable for it too

So viable in fact that a lot of examples I can give got banned for being broken

[lyric radish]

WAIT LATIOS THIS RUN I GOT A MEGA AND GMAX I WONT HAVE TO PASS ON THE GIMICK ITEMS

[sweet crypt]

Roaring Moon? Banned

Gouging Fire? Banned

[lyric radish]

all paradoxes? banned

[sweet crypt]

Not quite

Ain't nobody's banning fucking

Scream Tail

Lmfao

[lyric radish]

prolly like 50% or more is banned

[sweet crypt]

It's actually far less

[lyric radish]

rly?

[sweet crypt]

Only Fucker Mane, Iron Bundle, Roaring Moon and Gouging Fire I believe?

Well, and Miraidon+Koraidon

But shh

[lyric radish]

dang

chi-yu sould be banned

[potent plank]

okk thank you

[sweet crypt]

It is

[lyric radish]

hes to overpowered and can run both its stab as tera to get more dmg

[sweet crypt]

It got too silly and committed too many war crimes

So it got sentenced to death

[lyric radish]

oh you and chien-pao is also banned now

[sweet crypt]

They unbanned Chien Pao at one point, perhaps the most stupid thing I've seen

[lyric radish]

fr

[sweet crypt]

But also helps to prove that even one of the less broken Ubers mons is utterly broken

And shows that no, Smogon isn't banhappy

Gen 9 is just batshit insane

There's also Regifraudleki

Who got saved from a life of being ass in UU by Tera making it broken

[lyric radish]

hes not TAHT good

[sweet crypt]

If Tera is banned, Regieleki is gonna fall from Ubers to RU

And it's gonna be hilarious

[lyric radish]

fr

i kinda want a game/ruleset wheer eyou can use all 4 gimmiks but you can only use 1 per game

[sweet crypt]

Like sure there's other Pokemon that'd definitely not be Ubers without Tera

By that I mean like

[lyric radish]

so you can have a z-move mega dynamax and tera but only use one of them

[sweet crypt]

3

Out of who knows how many

But I doubt either Volcarona or Annihilape are anything less than great OU Pokemon even without Tera

Volcarona's been a great Pokemon in OU for 4 generations straight ignoring Gen 9

And tbh Annihilape may still be broken even without Tera

Because Rage Fist is stupid strong

Espathra probably falls off pretty hard without Tera though

[lyric radish]

have you started your castform run yet?

[sweet crypt]

I'm good at procrastinating, thanks for the reminder though

[lyric radish]

i just want to know how you end up doing it xd

[lyric radish]

@sweet crypt i need you to make a decision

im at 176 worth or not?

[sweet crypt]

Idk, but to be honest you can try to kill it too

Since it drops 1 Leftovers either ways now

(though I think the dig text still says 2 even though it is only 1)

[inland crane]

thankfully no one told kieran about Pokemon of Myth

[velvet pewter]

mega shuckle

[sweet crypt]

Just managed to sweep the entire dojo and Korrina with Castform

I'm in deep trouble

I just realised Pokerogue swapped my abilities of some of my Pokemon

Sableye is Keen Eye rn

Even though I always have it on Prankster

So idk how it swapped

And Aipom is on Run Away when I need Pickup

The rival is also hard counterteaming me

Blaziken starter

Sturdy Sawk

Tyranitar

Perhaps 3 of the best Castform counters

Managed to play around it this time

But I don't like this

Since it may just force to sweep with Fini instead

Managed to swap Sableye's ability for Prankster via the training event

And caught a Gigalith to replace Aipom for Stealth Rocks to shut down Sturdy

[unkempt egret]

nice nice

oddly enough I recall doing that in vanilla B2/W2 also to shut down sturdy sawk (though with crustle in that case)

[sweet crypt]

Anyways Castform has been performing well so far

Boomburst + Adaptability + Quiver Dance is in fact enough to make Castform good

At least, so far

[inland crane]

team after completing hidden treasure of area zero

[sweet crypt]

That said, I'd suffer a lot less switching to either Fini or Scizor main carry

Anyways I think I've seen enough of Castform but now I want to do something

I've seen a lot of people looking over Scizor after it lost Tinted Lens

So I'm gonna prove that Scizor is still absolutely excellent in Pokerogue and finish the run with it as the main carry

Very interesting battle instantly with the Clown

Whose Blacephalon is a Water/Steel type with Psychic Surge

Most would assume Scizor gets cooked here and in most cases it does

However, Tera

I'm also noticing that, at least with my current setup, I'm still OHKOing Fire types at +2 with Bullet Punch

This was one of the biggest things I was worried about when it lost Tinted Lens

But it seems I failed to consider that Scizor hits like a train

One of the bigger issues of Scizor is that it does not have enough move slots for what it wants to do

It wants Gear Grind for massive damage, Mighty Cleave for Fire types, Bullet Punch for priority, Bitter Blade for healing and Storm Throw as the stronger Anti-Steel option over Bitter Blade

Anyways, while base Scizor is able to Terastalise out of the Fire MU, Mega Scizor operates differently against Fire types

Its higher speed allows it to outspeed a greater variety of Fire types and higher damage makes it less vulnerable to a lead against a Fire type

Since it has a higher chance of simply doing enough damage to fold the Fire type with BPunch

It also has the bulk to tank weaker Fire moves like Eternamax Flamethrower

So if you are saving Tera for someone else during that fight, Mega Scizor can be used

I will be running Mega Scizor for the 195 Rival fight

Mega Scizor's base speed is barely lower than Blaziken, so I don't need much of a push to outspeed

And with the damage Scizor deals, I am hoping to end Blaziken before it can even attack

did i just one shot that magnezone with gear grind

I'm

Not even boosted right now

Ok yeah no case in point for damage

That's a physically bulky quad resist

ok wtf i just one shot mega swampert with bullet punch

I think I found out why I'm hitting so hard

As it turns out I had a lot more Soul Dews than I thought

It should be no surprise that Scizor's Mighty Cleave was able to instantly down Blaziken

And that Bullet Punch was able to sweep from there

That's GGs

TLDR: Scizor is not washed, and Castform actually is not too terrible

Well, if you have Boomburst and QD

Otherwise don't bother lmfao

Next run is the Staraptor run

[lyric radish]

@sweet crypt so i was at a party now im back but if i search i get
1 leftover
1 shell bell
1 black sludge

[sweet crypt]

If you can beat it then do so

The Leftovers are, IMO, the most important of those items

[lyric radish]

i also have 1 shell bell from before and drain punch

[sweet crypt]

But the boss drops it directly

And if you can get it without the 2.5* cost increase it's worth

[lyric radish]

also i got water tera for my water urshifu i really hated the flying weakness especially against ray i struggled on 145 so i took that

[sweet crypt]

Rapid Strikes Urshifu in general would struggle with Rayquaza

So you may need to be wary of 195

[lyric radish]

the fuck is this hatch batch?!

[lyric radish]

i do have mega mawvile too now

unrshifu still hasent goten mushroom tho

[sweet crypt]

If Rival doesn't roll V-Create or EQ you should be fine

[sweet crypt]

Dragapult is a strong carry so don't complain about the shiny and candies

[lyric radish]

still so funny to see

but sadly both shinies were dupe since i had goten it befoer

[sweet crypt]

Staraptor is ripping everything to shreds rn

[lyric radish]

oh fuck

[sweet crypt]

Quite a strong main carry

[lyric radish]

im figthing fantina on 180 but ran out of surging strikes pp

[sweet crypt]

Though I worry about the day I fail to OHKO something

[lyric radish]

i have to jet punch the rest

rapidash saved me against fantina

[sweet crypt]

As soon as I give the opponents a chance to attack, Staraptor is gonna get nuked

[lyric radish]

true

[unkempt egret]

makes sense

[sweet crypt]

It's a frail, frail Pokemon

[lyric radish]

so E4 starting with lorelei doesent that give me 2 elite four i can face?

[sweet crypt]

Urshifu should have an easy time with the E4 I'd imagine

Except probably Drake or Lance

Since they'll have Dragon/Flying types to stop both STABs

And Drasna too

And actually any Dragon trainer not named Iris

[lyric radish]

xd

[sweet crypt]

Rayquaza has 3 Irons

I don't like that

Tera Normal time

Linoone has the HP to sweep Expert Pokemon Breeder while getting chipped by Sandstorm without any items

[lyric radish]

i mean sandstorm is % dmg isent it?

[sweet crypt]

Yes

Gordie finally forced me to stop using Staraptor

... So it's time to use Sand Rush Sand Force Mega Garchomp instead

Gg ez

[lyric radish]

that seems to be alot more pokemons then just castform...

[sweet crypt]

Castform run is over

I'm on a Staraptor run now

May be time to replace Flare Blitz with CC

But I want to abuse Reckless Rock Head though...

Beat up the Bug Type Superfan for fun

[lyric radish]

do i use tera on 195 or 200

HUGE W

[sweet crypt]

Almost got cooked by Geeta

I had like 5 Carboses

But Geeta's Miraidon had like 3

So it still outsped Staraptor

Miraidon one shots every Pokemon on my team

[lyric radish]

HOLY FUCK I BEARLY BEAT RIVAL'

[sweet crypt]

So I has to Curse Fake Out cycle it to death

[lyric radish]

without tera

[sweet crypt]

Staraptor was one shot btw

Because of course

Frail fuck vs Nuclear Warhead

(I was even Tera Normal so that was OHKO on neutral)

[lyric radish]

My team for wave 200

i used sacred ash to revive all

[sweet crypt]

Very bad Rival fight

On my end

Staraptor wasn't able to OHKO Rayquaza but I managed to get Garchomp set up nonetheless so I wasn't worried

Was using Bitter Blade on Chesnaught and this motherfucking bitch who literally just swapped Chesnaught in 1 turn prior predicts the Bitter Blade and swaps into Rayquaza

Doing enough damage to activate a Salac berry

Thus making it faster than Garchomp

Thankfully I have 50 priority users up my ass

I was not prepared for the AI to like

Actually be smart

Eternatus is easy as usual

I even just

Decided not to Tera with Fini for fun

Still set up on its ass

Because Fini is busted

Next run is Rampardos

Rampardos is a Pokemon I wanted to do a run with for 1 reason

See, Rampardos is a shitmon fossil with poor speed and bad bulk

[lyric radish]

i bearly won

[sweet crypt]

It has a shitload of Attack and 0 way to use it

[lyric radish]

i was about to give up on eturnatus

[sweet crypt]

However, I had another pretty bad fossil surprise me

Which also was subpar defensively

With shit speed

Capable of hitting hard

Being Arctovish

And they share 1 thing in common in Pokerogue, they both have Shift Gear

I want to see how strong Shift Gear can make Rampardos

[lyric radish]

now my maxed collection is really getting somewhere

[sweet crypt]

I also finally got a shiny for Fini

After 22 fucking eggs

[lyric radish]

my random team BUT i wont use it couse it has 2 mons with ribbons already

oh wow

@sweet crypt do i try that even xd

[sweet crypt]

What unlocks on Xerneas?

Depending on what it has it can definitely solo the game

[lyric radish]

thats also best nature for him that i got

[sweet crypt]

Should be possible

You just have to keep in mind that Geomancy will take 2 turns

My tertiary carry on the Cranidos run is Baxcalibur, who can handle Maxie well

As well as Archie

And Giovanni

Which are the evil team leaders I see Cranidos struggling with the most

Also covers Grass starter

[lyric radish]

so well i dont want to deal with geomancy yet so i made another random team this should work but uhm on floor 2 i got grip claw and on floor 3 i got kings rock

[sweet crypt]

If I'm gonna be real this looks like 10 times harder than Xerneas only

[lyric radish]

Kommo o is crazy good tho

If i get like fairy tera too

Or maybe steel

[sweet crypt]

Kommo-O's good, but is far worse than Xerneas for

Uhh

Obvious reasons

While also having a worse MU into Rival and Eternatus, the 2 noteworthy bosses

So you're basically taking a break from a run by doing a harder run

[lyric radish]

trust Taxe flip turn feesh will do the trick on rival until i get a better tera for matchup

[lyric radish]

and ngl the only reason i can see is typing wich can be fixed with tera

[sweet crypt]

Take a look at the sheer stats difference and ability difference

[lyric radish]

atleast i got passive wich is +1 def for free

[sweet crypt]

Xerneas completely blows Kommo-O out of the water in every stat apart from Defence

[lyric radish]

wait xern is split attacker?!

[sweet crypt]

And IMO also has better egg moves, since the devs try to make both physical and special sets for Kommo-O viable

Fairy Aura is also just an extremely strong ability

[lyric radish]

my xern has worse ivs too and kommo o does have a better setup move in my opinion only needing 1 turn compared to xern who is weak to eturn without a diffrent tera too

[sweet crypt]

Kommo-O gets outsped and likely OHKOd by Eternabeam

And cutting its HP by a third doesn't help either

[lyric radish]

especially compared to my soundproof but still

[sweet crypt]

Xerneas probably tanks a Sludge Bomb or two

Especially with berries

And once one Geomancy is up, things get far harder for Eternatus

Being a Fairy Type also allows Xerneas to go down the route of overleveling to high heavens

Allowing it to tank Sludge Bombs even better

[lyric radish]

kommo o has better spdef and also he will have +1 spdef after setup and i normally have minimal berries on my pokemons

[sweet crypt]

False

Actually is it?

Idk

[lyric radish]

yeah by 7 points

[sweet crypt]

But Xern's HP is much higher anyways

[lyric radish]

im looking at stats rn

[sweet crypt]

Ah ok

[lyric radish]

51 points...

[sweet crypt]

Xern's still bulkier on both sides because of HP diff though

And once again, you aren't getting to +1 SpD without Tera in a million years

[lyric radish]

it has 30 lower def and with passive i get +1 def instantly so i dont think its more bulky physicly

[sweet crypt]

Especially when you need 1/3 HP to do so

[sweet crypt]

Definitely not more bulky with Dauntless Shield

But without it it's no contest

Xerneas is a fat fuck

[lyric radish]

i mean its not like i HAVE to get fairy tera i can do with somthing else too

[sweet crypt]

I'm not saying that you can't

I'm just saying that Xerneas is better so idk why you're saying you're stalling the Xerneas run to do a harder one first

I'm more of a fan of Clangerous Soul for like

Rival, Evil Team Leader, E4 etc

Since it's far easier to get off on something that isn't hitting as hard as Eternatus is

[lyric radish]

to be fair eturnatus is the least of my worries for kommo-o run since i have finizen who is strong and have ice moves

[sweet crypt]

Finizen does mean you'll need to sacrifice someone at the start

Otherwise you'll be in Zero form

[lyric radish]

i dont see a sirfetch doing alot in a eturnatus figth...

[sweet crypt]

And Palafin Zero is terrible

And I'm not so sure if Palafin Hero can solo Eternatus

[lyric radish]

i got another grip claw on floor 12

[sweet crypt]

W RNG

[lyric radish]

candy jar on 25 dont mind if i get overlvled xd

what the fuck

i found a maril

turn 1 struggle

[devout crag]

yall what pokemon should i hunt for in cobblemon as starter

[sweet crypt]

Trying to determine which types Arceus is a top 3 Pokemon in

So far, I've got Poison, Ground, Fighting, Water, Fairy, Normal, Dark, Electric, Rock and Bug

Ghost is arguable

Dragon, Flying, Psychic are hard NOs

Steel and Grass are also arguable

I dont think Ice or Fire make it though

I'm not great at Singles though and mostly going off viability rankings throughout multiple gens of Ubers

Because yeah no obviously Arceus isn't in OU

And yeah I get that Singles is unofficial and blah blah blah

But am I gonna judge based off a fully developed set of tiers

Or a singular regulation that doesn't even exist yet

Exactly

[sweet crypt]

Also Arceus Fighting's falloff can be directly attributed (at least partially) to Arceus Fairy

I mean, it goes from tied for 2nd best Arceus in Gen 5

To tied for worst in Gen 6

While Arceus Fairy rises up as one of the most Arceus in the same generation

With Fairy being one of the best types vs Fighting

Ofc it's more attributable to the Fairy type as a whole

But Arceus Fairy is definitely one of the main offenders

Which is funny to me

[sweet crypt]

So for a while, I've been of the opinion that Pokerogue can have no other final boss apart from Eternamax Eternatus

Not because a lack of variety would suck or anything, no

Eternamax Eternatus is simply insurmountable

It eclipses any other Pokemon as easily the strongest in the entire game

But I have one idea that maybe won't be a complete and utter joke

So first of all, Eternamax is an extreme threat

That is covered

However, while Eternatus is still perhaps a top 10 Pokemon, there are Pokemon that are actually comparable to it in power

Like Ultra Necrozma

Ultra Necrozma however stands no chance against Eternamax, and there's no form beyond Ultra

So what's the solution for phase 2?

Think back to Ultra Necrozma's fight in Megalo Tower

You may have noticed in that fight that even for an Ultra Necrozma, Necrozma here is far bulkier and tankier than it should be

You may also have noticed the game note that its Aura flared to life

This "aura" gives Ultra Necrozma an effective +1 to all its stats

However, boss bars in Pokerogue already give a ton of stats, so how do you solve this

Let's look at Legends: Arceus

Giratina's Terrible Might works similarly to Ultra Necrozma's Aura, giving it a boost in every stat

[broken crater]

With boss bars you could make shuckle a boss and Just make it annoyingly tanky

[sweet crypt]

However, these "boosts" in this case aren't stat boosts

They're akin to boosts like Quark Drive

Or, to put things in more Pokerogue terms, stacks of vitamins...

They stack multiplicatively with stat boosts and cannot be bypassed in any way

You see where I'm going with this?

Make Ultra Necrozma's Aura not a +1 stat stage boost, but a direct stat boost of 1.5×

[broken crater]

I see a lot of text

[sweet crypt]

This makes it far faster and stronger than Eternamax, while still having enough bulk to stay in the battle

And for good measure, make it a Single battle

At level 200 scaling, Ultra Necrozma's defences would be boosted to be only somewhat lower than Eternamax's

Though with far lower HP

Roughly 2× lower

Which furthers the idea of making it a single battle

2 times less participants

I could see it still being easier but this bridges the difficulty gap between just base Ultra Necrozma and Eternamax

[broken crater]

Mega rayquaza

[sweet crypt]

Unlike Ultra Necrozma, there is 0 rationale for Mega Rayquaza getting a boost in Phase 2

Apart from just needing to bridge the difficulty

Something like Giratina could work but it'd be weaker than Ultra Necrozma as an option

One more option that I could entertain the idea of is Arceus

[broken crater]

Rayquaza starts normal and becomes mega for stage 2

[sweet crypt]

Far too easy

If Necrozma needs to start in Ultra and then get an additional 1.5× stat boost to even remotely compare, base Rayquaza into Mega will be child's play

Not to mention that the rival already uses Mega Ray

To be honest varying that fight may be better than varying the final fight

Since Mega Rayquaza isn't quite peerless in its power unlike Eternamax

[sweet crypt]

Alpha Pokemon in L:A get an omniboost like Giratina's terrible might, implied to be from Arceus

Yknow, the Alpha Pokemon

While Arceus itself doesn't have that boost, I can see it being rationalised for it

[sweet crypt]

Also I was thinking of Emax's defences at level 100 here lmfao

So yeah no Ultra Necrozma would be far easier even with that

Anyways, Arceus getting a 1.5× boost puts it in a spot between Necrozma and Eternatus

In terms of damage and bulk

However, there is one trick it has up its sleeve I have in mind

In Legends:Arceus, there exists an utterly broken plate for Arceus called the Legend Plate

Which, uhh

Literally changes Arceus' type to have Judgement always be Super Effective

You thinking what I'm thinking?

Truthfully, it'd be better to give these Pokemon to the Rival, without these wack ass boosts

Neither Ultra Necrozma nor Arceus are used by any trainer in the game

And they're very formidable Pokemon

Admittedly, both aren't as strong as Rayquaza, but Arceus can have literally any type

And that randomness is what Pokerogue needs

Since the endgame is too set in stone

Bring anti Dragon type, win

Also, if the devs are feeling silly, giving Arceus Legend Plate makes it just

Stronger than even Mega Ray

Because like

100 BP move that always has STAB and always hits Super Effectively

I'm gonna admit, the main reason why I'd ever recommend Ultra Necrozma as the wave 200 boss

Is that we can hear that fucking banger of a fight theme

Like fuck Eternamax and its suspiciously Ghetsis shaped theme in Pokerogue

Ultra Necrozma's theme no diffs

[ornate shadow]

Guys I need help beating game corner Giovanni with ground only in radical reddddd

[simple quartz]

Radical Red

[sweet crypt]

I'm not usually one to hate on difficult games or hacks

[simple quartz]

My bad man

[sweet crypt]

But that's because the difficult games and hacks I play don't like

Throw me at a fully EV trained trainer

And expect me to EV train in the grass for 8 hours

And actually give me ways to train EVs that don't take 50 years

Yeah I'm not a fan of RadRed

Maybe they made EV training not as shit in that game

Idk

But when I last played it I remembered getting so bored I fucking got a mobile emulator

And brought a copy of RadRed and a savefile over via gmail

So that I didn't need to be at my computer to grind

[narrow pine]

https://tenor.com/view/jaime-french-jamie-french-youtube-spitting-facts-it-do-be-facts-tho-gif-8457710777476559072

[sweet crypt]

Im all for actually fighting EVd opponents as long as I'm not expected to grind for 50 years to get EVs

Because that shit is ASS

Oh and don't get me started on difficulty hacks that don't either guarantee good IVs or remove them altogether

Why do IVs even exist

[unkempt egret]

misguided attempt at making things "feel unique" that doesn't mesh well in an RPG with multiplayer mechanics with a focus on optimization?

also agreed with RadRed, I do appreciate mariomon for making enemy EVs an optional setting that can be toggled on though that game at least also gives you power items in the midgame (unbound does somethin similar but I feel like even easy mode goes a bit much at points lol)

[sweet crypt]

I'm OK with easy games or difficult games but tedious is the last thing I want

And I don't mean like getting my ass beat trying to find out a solution to a hard battle

I mean grinding for 50 years to even have the Pokemon for said battle

Heck, if a Pokemon game managed to be both easy yet tedious I'd hate it all the same

[noble zealot]

Never liked hacks that intentionally make the game as pointlessly difficult as possible.

I get it, the official Pokémon games are piss easy, but it's rare to find hacks or fangames that increase the difficulty without going completely overboard (thankfully, IF is one of those few that strike a good balance).

The worst of the lot are the ones that heap on an edgy, tryhard story on top of it.

[narrow pine]

IVs make every single Pokemon a Lootbox

[narrow pine]

Most rom hacks and fangames have taught me why Pokemon is super easy

Pokemon is all about customizability, you can play however you want, use whatever you want

[sweet crypt]

I think for a mainline game perspective Pokemon should be easy for exactly this reason

[narrow pine]

When you make it really hard, you take away all of that

restricting for no reason

[sweet crypt]

But I'm the type of person who also likes challenge as much as the freedom to do whatever the fuck I want

Which is why I like both difficult fangames and easy ones+mainline games

[narrow pine]

Plus, difficult Pokemon, especially with how bull the RNG gets

Really burns me out, and burns me out quickly

[sweet crypt]

I recently played Reborn, and tbh it felt like most of my losses weren't down to RNG, just a half-baked strategy, so I didn't mind

ahem

Most

I doubt there's a single Pokemon game that can be both difficult and still never have the RNG factor of Pokemon fuck you over

[noble zealot]

What I like about games like ROWE is that they intentionally toss IVs in the trash and make ability items, mints, evolution items, etc. freely available, and yet Hard Mode is still a formidable challenge.

[narrow pine]

Elite Redux is probably the closest one honestly

Given you can control almost everything in that hack

But then they kinda ruined it with the 2.5 update

[sweet crypt]

Idk though I feel like I miss every non 100% accurate move I use there

Average LegDrag luck tbh

[sweet crypt]

The only time I like a difficulty hack is when the customisation of my team is at a level similar to this if not slightly lower

If I can't EV train without sinking 50 years, or swap Abilities, or all that stuff on command, it just ain't as fun

[narrow pine]

From what I've seen, a lot of Hack makers assume you'll have a type.

When you don't it completely falls apart.

[sweet crypt]

That isn't difficulty, that's tedium

[narrow pine]

I once was apart of an HG/SS hack and they made Bugsy kinda bull, under the assumption the player would have a fire type

[sweet crypt]

Scizor?

Yeah no Scizor is just

Not a Pokemon you put early, ever

Scizor is not a Pokemon you should ever see in an early game

[narrow pine]

No but it was a lot of high power bug moves with electric coverage

[sweet crypt]

Idk feel like any other Bug resist handles that then

[narrow pine]

That was his logic

It wasn't fun to fight

[sweet crypt]

Actually yeah no most of these aren't very early game types

Out of these you'll only really have Fighting, Flying or Fire in an early game (and maybe Poison)

But Fighting doesn't touch Bug and Flying is weak to Electric

It is an absolutely ridiculous number of resists but they aren't extremely accessible early game

That said though I forgot how shit it was

Resisted by 3 of the top 4 types

And then 2 high A tier types

A decent low A/High B tier type

And Poison

Which isn't really good overall

But it's amazing in the context of being a defensive type

Gamefreak fucking hates the Bug type

[narrow pine]

Gamefreak is too afraid to buff Bug because of U-Turn, even though they barely give U-Turn to bugs

[unkempt egret]

it also feels like they really like adhering to a mentality with some types and will stick to their guns even if dancing around making the type actually good (ice being another example in terms of how many times they've given ice types defensive buffs without giving them the resistances they actually need)

[narrow pine]

But Ghost and Dark?

Buff them every Gen with even more busted moves

[last egret]

Has anyone here ever played pokemon scarlet/violet

[sweet crypt]

Yeah

I mean it's a Pokemon server

[rugged comet]

A Pokemon server with over 726k members, it would be more shocking if no one played

[noble zealot]

Nah. This screenshot of mine ain't real.

[past cairn]

Why would U fake it

[lyric radish]

so latios ive learn your smarter then me that kommo-o run did not end well i got stuck multiple times early and late game since when its not a kommo-o its not exctly strong and it being a psudo doesent make evolving it easier so i gave up on that run

[devout crag]

heh big baby

found a larvitar with guts

[lyric radish]

What item do i pick?

i think ill pick inviseble item#3 or also known as slot 4

[lyric radish]

@sweet crypt soryy for the ping if your doing somthing or sleeping but on marshadow what do i prioritize? atk or spd for nature i know i want -spatk

[celest light]

I dont think so honestly
Cause theyve given those kinda moves to water and electric and dark(i think)

Uturn is just more common

[sweet crypt]

Idk lol

They're both very good on Marshadow

[lyric radish]

Dark??? I get flip turn and volt switch but what is there for dark???

[celest light]

Parting shot

I knew i was forgetting that ones name

[lyric radish]

Thats diffrent

U-turn does chip dmg same with the other 2 parting shot does debuff

i accedentally used a NORMAL pokeball (i had 3 master balls so i was good to but) but thats just mean getting it in a NORMAL one while having a pokemon with Espeed on the field

[celest light]

Its still a really solid move but yea misremembered a lot about the move

And honestly voltswitch has some insane damage potential on its characters

Like iron hands and miraidon have it

[lyric radish]

ironhands doesent use volt switch for dmg it uses it to switch out after being hit its a spatk move so miraidon on the other hand will use it with specs to not get locked in while doing big dmg

[sweet crypt]

Iron Hands Volt Switch does like

-10 damage

Bro's special attack is like what, 50?

And Iron Hands isn't really a pivot mon anyways

You can find Pokemon using pivot moves that don't do too much damage for them like Flip Turn on Iron Bundle

But Iron Hands is not one of them

Also, Miraidon doesn't always use Volt Switch

Firstly, there's sets that drop pivot moves altogether

But more importantly, Miraidon's pivot move is more often U-Turn

As U-Turn isn't blocked by Ground types

After all, pivot moves on Choiced mons are used when predicting a switch to a Pokemon that the choiced Pokemon can't deal with

What's the most common answer for Miraidon?

Ting-Lu

A Ground type

Blocking Volt Switch

U-Turn is the only pivot move that is completely unstoppable

Taunt, Soundproof and I think even Clear Body can block Parting Shot

Water Absorb, Storm Drain and Dry Skin shut down Flip Turn

And Ground types (and Electric Immune Abilities) prevent Volt Switch

U-Turn is also easily the most common pivot move

It is so common, in fact, that Bug isn't the type that has the most U-Turn users

And makes up a miniscule fraction of all the Pokemon that learn the move

U-Turn is in need of a severe distribution nerf

In a similar way to moves like Scald or Knock Off

Which did have that distribution nerf already carried out

[celest light]

I honestly forgot knock off did

[pastel gull]

Both mycfrogadier and my fletchinder BOTH evolved right before facing Korrina, ez

[split yoke]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mVjN9Ci_Hc

[devout crag]

dw i got this he knows payback

[sleek jewel]

It dead

[pastel gull]

I just realised my entire team except this weak ass bagon is weak to electric

[unkempt egret]

yea ash's gen 6 team did have like 3 electric weaknesses and 3 electric resists didn't it

[pastel gull]

omg i just realised 3/4 of these guys were on ashes team

i didnt even realise lmao

[unkempt egret]

my bad noivern was neutral I did remember that he just had 3 flying types that gen rofl

[pastel gull]

lmao

classic ash

[unkempt egret]

I think he ended up with uuuh

pikachu/greninja/hawlucha/talonflame/noivern/goodra? someone correct me on this if I got that wrong

[pastel gull]

yeah thats right

for being a psuedo his goodra was weak as fuck

just like my bagon actually

huh

[unkempt egret]

meanwhile my first run of X/Y had an eviolite shelgon because of my nuz rules lol

(nothing over 560 BST was allowed which I think was the first run I had that rule in?)

[pastel gull]

mines got an eviolite too

[unkempt egret]

nice nice

[pastel gull]

it gets really good moves about 30 ish levels before salamence

i also forgot that mega salamence was in ORAS

and not XY

[unkempt egret]

me when told to grind in B2/W2

[pastel gull]

lol

[unkempt egret]

me when the rando stuck audino in exactly one spot... that can only be accessable via surfing and is way too low-leveled by that point

[pastel gull]

i might go for a mega gengar, but not actually sure how i can GET a gengar since im playig on an emulator

[unkempt egret]

hmmm

[pastel gull]

feels like all the cool ones are trade evos

and im not using mega lucario because i want to be original lol

just looked it up, theres save editing software that i can use to turn haunter into a gengar

[unkempt egret]

yea pkhex would work

as a slight heads up if you're gonna go that route I'd say make it one level lower than it would be when you do the evolve and give it a rare candy so you can then put the stats back to where they'd normally be on a gengar

otherwise I think you'll just have haunter stats for that level

[pastel gull]

if i can find a rare candy that is

[sweet crypt]

Bagon evolves at level 30

Have you just been intentionally denying the evo

[pastel gull]

yeah

it gets really good moves around 30 ish levels earlier than salamence

(it gets double edge at 53, while salamence gets it at around level 90)

[sweet crypt]

Idk if its worth delaying that much tbh

I'm sure you have plenty of moves even without D-Edge

[pastel gull]

true

[sweet crypt]

And Bagon is kinda just unusable

[pastel gull]

yeah true

[sweet crypt]

Shelgon isn't good either but it's better than Bagon

And it's also important to note that Salamence is a level 50

So you can get Salamence 3 levels earlier than D-Edge

So yeah either ways D-Edge is ridiculously late game

Besides, Fly on Mence will do more damage than D-Edge

And it's not like the AI has enough braincells to abuse it

It's Pokemon AI

It has as many braincells as a lawn flamingo

Something I can see delaying for is Dragon Claw

Mainly because I forgot where the Dclaw TM is

So it may be a pain in the ass to get idk

And idk if you'd have enough time to be able to get it before the E4 if you're Salamence

(Level 61)

If you do want to delay it do so with Shelgon because it isn't worth delaying until Level 50 on Bagon

Shelgon learns it at 55

Man, it's crazy how much earlier the Bagon line learns Dclaw in newer gens

Why tf is it level 50 here

It isn't even that good of a move it's just a basic 80 BP move

[sweet crypt]

Yknow, I've played the games a ton

Played a ton of difficulty hacks

And yet, despite starting a few, I've never completed a Nuzlocke

Usually I just forget about it in the middle of doing one

But yknow what?

That's gonna be changing soon

But because I hate myself, it won't be that simple

Not only will this be a Hardcore Nuzlocke, preventing me from using items in battles and overleveling

But I'm also deliberately going to be playing the game a majority of Nuzlockers consider to be the hardest to beat out of the mainline games

Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon

Not too sure on which I'll be playing, I'll have to evaluate which version exclusives I want more

Looking at the major boss battles and I'm already getting bad feelings about this

Like uhh

What exactly do I fucking do vs Araquanid lmfao

Has Aurora Beam for Flying types

Wacan Berry for Electric types (and I think the only one at this point is Pikachu, who's a frail fuck)

Water STAB for Rock types

I guess I just bring a Flying type anyways

And hope it can take enough Aurora Beams to win

Or maybe bring a neutral MU and pray

Idk the encounters well

I'll have to look into that deeper later

[sweet crypt]

The agonising thing is that you'd think that Gyarados would be amazing for Araquanid since it targets the weaker Defence stat, resists the STABs, takes Aurora Beam well due to high SpD and Bite well due to Intimidate, Magikarp can be caught in Brooklet Hill and the level cap is 20

... But then you realise you only get the fishing rod after beating Araquanid

And that Araquanid has 252 fucking Defence EVs and a Defence boosting nature apparently???

Now, if I get a +Attack Charjabug with 31 Attack IVs

And I EV Train it to 252 Attack

Then Spark has a near nonexistent chance to 2HKO, accounting for the Wacan Berry

If I max roll twice

And Araquanid decides not to use Leech Life

Or call upon Masquerain

Since I think the Masquerain here has Intimidate

[sweet crypt]

Wait can someone check what the location is for Pokemon caught in Trainer's School?

Because PokemonDB lists it as Route 1

And if it is, then Ultra Necrozma is ujh

Gonna be a lot more problematic than I first envisioned

See, here's the problem

I'm planning to count Gift Pokemon as the encounter of their area

The very first Pokemon you get in a Pokemon game are Starters

Where do you get the Starters in USUM?

Route 1...

Bisharp was my secondary plan but, uhh

+1 Lvl 60 0 SpA Necrozma-Ultra Dragon Pulse vs. Lvl 55 0 HP / 0 SpD Bisharp: 96-114 (62.7 - 74.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

That's not gonna work

+1 Lvl 60 0 SpA Necrozma-Ultra Dragon Pulse vs. Lvl 55 0 HP 0 IVs / 0- SpD 0 IVs Bisharp: 130-153 (95.5 - 112.5%) -- 75% chance to OHKO

It is

I'm so cooked chat

I'm so cooked

Do I just count the starter as its own special thing?

I mean usually gift Pokemon are counted as encounters

But like

For crying out loud I'd have to do the entire game up to Trainer's School with literally only the starter

[unkempt egret]

oh yea gen 7 is rough for that because if you use that rule you have literally 1 encounter until you're done with trainer's school

since there are like... four captures that all count as route 1 in that gen lol (starter, hillside, beachfront, trainer's school)

[sweet crypt]

I ain't even gonna get to Totem Gumshoos/Raticate

I'm gonna fucking die before that

1 Pokemon run until Hau'Oli is insane

[unkempt egret]

yea you get three mons before that. if it's moon then you might be fine if you get a fighting type to hit raticate's x4 weakness but otherwise uuuh

keep exploding on the totem until you get one?

[sweet crypt]

I'm also gonna instantly get whooped by Araquanid

[unkempt egret]

that too yea

[sweet crypt]

Araquanid was already a problem even before I considered how big Route 1 is

And without Zorua, Unec also becomes a problem

I thought Bisharp would work well

But it literally gets 2 Tapped

In the most ideal circumstances for it

[unkempt egret]

unic ||can be FEAR'ed if you're playing ultra moon since the totem raticate is a gift in a spot where nothing else is? on sun you probably can too but raticate isn't 100% there||

||still gotta get past the 4 sashed teeter dance oricorios tho||

[sweet crypt]

Sounds like time to use Stealth Rocks

Too ez

We love hazards

[unkempt egret]

lol that works if you find something with it

remember using a stealth rock crustle in B2/W2 to pop sawk's sturdy so my starmie could full sweep marshal's team

[sweet crypt]

Is there a Stealth Rock TM in Gen 7?

And do you get it before that fight?

Because like

So many things learn Stealth Rocks by TM

Rock or not

I love me some hazards

[unkempt egret]

checks* move tutor but let me check

it's on the heahea beach tutor so thankfully that's an option

[sweet crypt]

Alright gg ez

We win these

[unkempt egret]

thought it was on the battle tree tutor but that's skill swap and... gastro acid?

[sweet crypt]

Post game tutor moves, apparently

Definitely worth

Marowak is scary but I have good odds of getting a Magikarp

And Gyarados turns Marowak from scary to absolute joke

22 level cap means I do get Gyarados in time

[unkempt egret]

yea even if things go horribly wrong you still get a -1 attack off just for existing there with dos rofl

[sweet crypt]

How the fuck is a Marowak gonna kill me with a moveset of like

Flame Wheel/Brick Break/Hex

Gyarados would even be good for Araquanid

Level cap being 20 and all

Y'know, if the fishing rod wasn't literally directly after beating Araquanid

Instead of directly before

[noble zealot]

It's so satisfying playing with a custom character...

[lavish dune]

trying out pokerogue, this shit is rad

a scientist turned my porygon-z into fuckin regigigas

probably the worst legendary, but GOD starting a run with him makes me so happy

i cannot tell if the rival is a romantic interest or a desperate friend or both

[lavish dune]

NUH UH

[lyric radish]

you cheated on her?

[lyric radish]

W luck

[lyric radish]

both

[lavish dune]

I wouldn't dare, just threw a creation god against her frog

He punched good

Regi isn't that bad in this surprisingly. Of course, slow start is a pain in the ass, but his ability doesn't get reset each battle, only when he's recalled

[lyric radish]

dont worry on 145 she got a rayquaza shiny T2 and on 195 its mega and boss

[lyric radish]

so in every important batlle like rival E4 Champ and Eturnatus

and gyms

[sweet crypt]

Yknow you didn't need to spoil it

It'd be much funnier to see them find out on their own

[lyric radish]

to see him be destroyed lmao he still will i wouldent throw out a regigigas when i could just stall off slow start anyways

berries + good moves and maybe a defensive nature would do well you dont exactly need atack after slow start is gone

[devout crag]

rate the half steel type team

wait what

[sweet crypt]

I mean, you used Roost the turn before Turn 19

It says this turn for a reason

[rotund badger]

Yo im shiny hunting for kyogre in sword and shield dynamic adventures anyone want to join

[bitter field]

I just need to find somewhere to complan about this rq don't mind me- BUT I WAS DOING THE UNKNOWN RUINS IN SOULSILVER, AND I SPENT SO MUCH TIME THERE THAT MY FIRST SHINY HAS TO BE UNKNOWN?? ARE YOU KIDDING? 😭

[devout crag]

but the this turn is meant for the next

thats how it worked all the time

[devout crag]

sign to do the whole alphabet shiny

[bitter field]

NNAUR

[devout crag]

yaur

[bitter field]

NO WAY- THAT LITERALLY CANNOT BE POSSIBLE LOL

😭

[devout crag]

i just made some1 forfeit cuz my vaporeon outsped crit his weezing

was about to ask him to resist 9 more turns but the game ended

i still remember that time i won against a kyurem team no way his screen was on that match

[sweet crypt]

I kinda just have to pick Popplio for a USUM nuzlocke right

[devout crag]

kinda

[sweet crypt]

Even then 1 Pokemon up until Hau'oli is brutal

[devout crag]

well i didnt really play those games i cant help u

[bitter field]

Are you not able to catch in other routes??

[sweet crypt]

The Starters are Route 1 Encounters

[bitter field]

I think there's an encounter at the school ground tho

[sweet crypt]

Trainer School is Route 1

[devout crag]

yeah

[bitter field]

Does it count as route one..?

[sweet crypt]

That's the met encounter location for Pokemon caught there

This also means no Zoroark cheesing Unec

I'm gonna have to fucking Toxic it to death instead or something

[devout crag]

technically yeah

[bitter field]

Hm.

[sweet crypt]

Totem Araquanid is gonna cook me so hard

[bitter field]

Welp, pray for the best poplio in history IG

[devout crag]

ur in route 1 taking the starter so

[devout crag]

watch him pull the worst one

[bitter field]

LOL DON'T JINX THE MAN

[sweet crypt]

If I do the run ends at Trainer School

Heck could Popplio even beat the Trainer School Rowlet at all?

[bitter field]

Um.. I mean

[devout crag]

+atk -spatk poplio on the way

[bitter field]

What level is it?

I think it's possible if you play your cards right..

[devout crag]

like 10

[bitter field]

Just keep the stat lowering stuff

Maybe try to keep the acc lowering ones for like- yk..

That's what I did for my Typhlosion

[sweet crypt]

Level cap is Level 11, teacher is Level 10 I think?

[bitter field]

It still has sand attack and it's nearing 50..

[devout crag]

yeah pretty sure its lvl 10

[devout crag]

let sand attack go let it retire

[bitter field]

NOOO

[devout crag]

he did more then enough let it go

[bitter field]

I need that sand

Or smoke screen*

Mb

[devout crag]

its on life support

Let it go

[bitter field]

Regardless, I still need it, I have to keep it since I still have ember cuz it learns literally NO GOOD fire moves other than like 1

[devout crag]

that smokescreen saw the whole team rocket fall💔

[bitter field]

I had to choice spec it

[devout crag]

fair enough

[bitter field]

Yes, that smoke screen got me out some tough spots

[devout crag]

and i just realized my gliscor team has 3 possible sweepers

[bitter field]

I even still have flash on my amphy

[devout crag]

i mean

dark caves??

ig

[bitter field]

It's convenient..

I'm really bad at seeing in dark caves

It's a vital thing-

[devout crag]

google maps

[bitter field]

I'd never get anywhere (it also helped for the ruins)

I'm practically blind

🫠

I'd probably find like several shinies just trying to get out caves if I didn't have flash lol.

[devout crag]

8yr old me was able to do the first dark cave in emerald without struggling

[sweet crypt]

OK genuinely I don't think Trainer's School is possible with both the level cap and a restricting Route 1 like that

[bitter field]

Is it not?

You could try stocking potions

[sweet crypt]

If I don't have level cap than I level to 16 for Icy Wind

[sweet crypt]

Rowlet does about 50% every Leafage

[devout crag]

not a real nuzlocke then

[sweet crypt]

Potions only stall my demise

[bitter field]

Does it not have any other attacks?

[sweet crypt]

Unless I want to potion for like

[devout crag]

hope its slightly more defensive

[bitter field]

You could try using other moves that rowy won't resist

[sweet crypt]

Every single Leafage PP

[bitter field]

Like the pound or fairy wind?

It learns fairy wind early right?

[devout crag]

i dont think

[sweet crypt]

Disarming Voice does about 20% on max IV Modest

[bitter field]

Oh voice right

I get them mixed

[sweet crypt]

Leafage does 40-50% on max HP and Defence IV Popplio

[bitter field]

Hm, does it lower any stats?

[bitter field]

Right it's disarming voice not wind

You could try to use that and pound, maybe??

[devout crag]

get a calc and hope

[sweet crypt]

I'm dead in 2 hits