other-pokemon-games

[sweet crypt]

So I didn't need to find out if Groudon could tank Dynamax Cannons or not

Overall I'd say Groudon is on the lower end of 9 costs, but still deserves it

It can handle the 2 major bosses but likely not 100% due to its middling special bulk

Unless y'know

They decide to be idiots

Like Rival's Mega Ray just did for me

Like the other 9 costs (apart from Rayquaza and maybe Arceus) the rest of the game may as well not exist for it

See, Kyogre basically has the equivalent for a STAB Adaptability Tera

Which immediately puts it ahead in damage (the main reason why I think Rayquaza isn't quite full game carry)

Between Rayquaza and Groudon, Rayquaza has less bulk, and its 120 BP signature lowers defences unlike Groudon and Kyogre's

Groudon and Kyogre's signatures are also spread moves

They are inaccurate to make up for it though

Rayquaza also has bulk which is 6 HP higher than Groudon's Special/Kyogre's Physical bulk

With how Groudon and Kyogre's Special/Physical bulk is my one of my biggest complaints about them, this carries over to Rayquaza

Though its 5 extra speed and Dragon Dance helps with that

Also, when accounting for egg moves, Groudon and Kyogre both have reliable recovery from the beginning

Rayquaza gets no such luxury

Mega Rayquaza however is better than Pdon

At least for Pokerogue

Since both the guaranteed major bosses can and will exploit Pdon's 90 Speed and 100/90 special bulk

Unless they decide to be fucking stupid

Rayquaza's own Speed however is no longer something that can be easily exploited

As the Mega ofc

And the main thing I had to argue about Rayquaza, damage, is no longer an issue

And since damage is no longer an issue, Mega Rayquaza's bulk is no longer an issue too

You can only get hit if you don't kill your opponent

And the bulk is more than enough to tank priority moves

Heck, it isn't even just bad, it was just bad compared to other 9 costs

And it wasn't even that bad compared to other 9 costs though it definitely was an issue when it was also slower (except for Groudon and Kyogre) and didn't do as much damage (except for Arceus, though Adaptability may make it hit harder I suppose. Not as confident saying this as for mons like Zacian, Miraidon and Koraidon, though, and theirs is for all their moves, not just STAB)

They're all worse than Eternatus though lmfao

10 cost was well earned

[sweet crypt]

Thunder Cage is so fucking forgettably ass that Google tried to gaslight me into thinking it was called Electric Cage

Such a drastic difference from Regidrago's Dragon Energy

Which is actually a peak move, even if Regidrago can't abuse it well

[unkempt egret]

well that hurt

didn't know that viva nerfed surf to hit your partner like it does in gen 4+

lost togetic to that then floatzel and clotaku (yes) to crits

at least there's the department store, game corner, and I think vs seeker not too far ahead

[sonic sky]

Does anyone know good settings for pokemon scarlet violet? Pc emulstor settings

[covert fiber]

I stopped believing in centro leaks

They deadass said “we’re getting a mega greninja” and showed 2 fake “leaked” megas

At least they admitted feraligatr but mega starmie looks like bs

It looks so fake. All it gets is longer limbs?

Doubt we’re getting mega starmie

[unkempt egret]

spoilers?

[covert fiber]

Technically it aint its not confirmed yet

[unkempt egret]

still puts ideas and expectations in people's heads, I'd spoiler it anyway just to be safe

[graceful mirage]

So I just got impossibly lucky in my psychic type only run of scarlet because I found a shiny charcadet

However the difference between regular charcadet and the shiny one is so small

Shiny on the right

I didn't even realize it was a shiny until I ran into it

[sweet crypt]

I was gonna say

Unfortunate shiny to accidentally come across

[graceful mirage]

I mean I'll still use it because armorouge was already important for my team

It's neat to have I guess

Whats indeedees shiny I might want one

Blue

I've never really shiny hunted something maybe if one of my team members has a cool one

Shiny hunting is pretty easy in scarlet and violet iirc

For my last team member on my psychic team I'm trying to decide between hatterene, espathra, metagross and bronzong

[graceful mirage]

Tbh female meowstic is more and more tempting just because it's really fast and gets expanding force

I also just really like meowstic

Scarlet isn't that hard anyway I can afford some redundancy

[sonic sky]

love him

[graceful mirage]

Hmm apparently you can't get espur in scarlet until indigo disk

Maybe i just cheat one in. Although by my rules this is def cheating since inkay is what I'm replacing my starter with

But I do really like meowstic

And its not like meowstic is especially strong

[unkempt egret]

ok I found the vs seeker

time for profit. (also understandable on stic)

there is also the GO option but meowstic isn't exactly common over there

gotta still have some time with

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-espurr-bongo-cat-gif-2073714408461282182

[graceful mirage]

Yeah I'll cheat in an espurr

Espurr isn't strong enough for me to warrant feeling iffy about it

[sweet crypt]

If you have the Shore Up egg move and some form of setup move it can probably solo Eternatus

[sonic sky]

i dont

[graceful mirage]

Deciding between male and female meowstic rn since both get expanding force

[sweet crypt]

Ok I know I always say never plan a run around getting an alternate form

But should I plan a Mega Charizard X run?

[graceful mirage]

It's really if I want helping hand or not on my meowstic

[wispy osprey]

I would say Male, but mostly because I like it better for design

[graceful mirage]

Eh I already have indeedee for helping hand

And I like female meowstics design better

[wispy osprey]

I know they have different stats and move pools so you might be able to make a better judgement based on that lmao

[graceful mirage]

Meowstic stats are the same between them its the abilities and movepool that differs

Indeedee is the one whose stats differ

[sweet crypt]

The main difference between Male and Female Meowstic is that Male gets Helping Hand but Female gets Shadow Ball

At least, those are the 2 biggest things I'd say one has above the other

[graceful mirage]

It's more that male gets prankster and female gets competitive

[sweet crypt]

Yeah but like HAs are post game

So who cares

[graceful mirage]

I'm already cheating tho

Like I wouldn't use a non contrary inkay

Wait contrary is inkays standard ability

[sweet crypt]

Yes it is

Lmao

[graceful mirage]

I wouldn't use a non contrary lurantis

[sweet crypt]

Ok but are you using a Lurantis?

[graceful mirage]

No it's not a psychic type

[sweet crypt]

I rest my case

[graceful mirage]

It would be redundant with malamar anyway who is a better contrary user

Despite how much I love contrary lurantis

[sweet crypt]

Malamar being better is more so Lurantis being worse

They really do not give Contrary to good abusers

[graceful mirage]

I wish I lived in the timeline where lurantis was good

[sweet crypt]

It's literally just Serperior

Enamorus also has it but it doesn't really abuse it very well

I guess Shuckle gets Wish.Com Cosmic Power

And the others get Superpower

And Lurantis also gets Leaf Storm

[graceful mirage]

Lurantis should've gotten chlorophyll instead of leaf guard. Or it's signature move should've been physical leaf storm instead of physical solar blade

Atm it's not great in Sun or contrary really

It's worse at abusing superpower than malamar and worse at abusing leaf storm than serperior

[sweet crypt]

At least it has both? Idk

[graceful mirage]

Alola and its terrible speed stats

[sonic sky]

eternatus so bad💔

[sweet crypt]

Look on the bright side, both Lurantis and Malamar are capable of evolving further

So they aren't doomed

As long as Gamefreak doesn't give Inkay and Fomantis prevos

[graceful mirage]

I could see a mega malamar being plausible in ZA

[sweet crypt]

And doom them like they doomed Wigglytuff

[graceful mirage]

And raichu

[sonic sky]

i guess 3 legendaries 1 mega evolution and 1 starter and 1 pickup pokemon is the way to go

[sweet crypt]

Ok but Raichu is significantly more usable than Wigglytuff

Even if that is not saying much at all

[graceful mirage]

True

[sweet crypt]

It's like trash vs garbage²

[graceful mirage]

Alolan Raichu is also OK iirc

Never used one

[sweet crypt]

Unlike something like Dusclops vs Dusknoir

[wispy osprey]

PLEASE OML

[sweet crypt]

Which is Trash² vs Garbage²

I am not sorry

[wispy osprey]

Isn’t Dusclops really good competitively (or at least it can be)

[graceful mirage]

Dusclops has been pretty great in competitive sometimes

[sweet crypt]

No

Unless it's Doubles

Then yes

[graceful mirage]

Doubles is the way competitive is played officially

[wispy osprey]

hey that’s a world champion have care how you speak /j

[sweet crypt]

But in Singles, Trash² vs Garbage² may be an understatement

[sweet crypt]

And yet the way the games are played is Singles

[wispy osprey]

not always

[graceful mirage]

Yeah but he was asking about comp

[sweet crypt]

This is never gonna not be weird to me

[graceful mirage]

Which is typically doubles

[sweet crypt]

That said Singles and Doubles do share tons of things in common

Like top tier Intimidators

There being like 0 good Contrary users

Flutter Mane

Bottom Text

[wispy osprey]

because you want competitive to have a higher skill ceiling, to be better at separating the best players, and doubles is a more complicated mode of battle, since there are 4 on the field instead of 2

but it still shows up in playthrough frequently enough that you can follow as a fan

even if you don’t play

[graceful mirage]

Also like loads of abilities and moves only work in doubles and if official format wasn't doubles there's no reason for them to really exist

[sweet crypt]

Fair enough

[graceful mirage]

Why even have dondozo exist otherwise

[sonic sky]

time to shiny hunt in pokemon sword

[sweet crypt]

You could've brought up Tatsugiri and you'd have been correct

[graceful mirage]

Oh true yeah dondozo is decent

[sweet crypt]

Dondozo however is a centerpiece of stall teams in Singles

Stall isn't the easiest thing to use in Gen 9 but that's still enough to get it like, a B rank in the VR

And more than enough to keep its usage afloat considering it's gonna be on 100% of teams of a specific archetype

[graceful mirage]

They should put harvest on something actually good

[sweet crypt]

They shouldn't put Tinted Lens on something actually good

Because they put it on Lokix and it's still tearing shit up

[graceful mirage]

Lokix is my UU god and I will not accept this slander

Lokix is great

[sweet crypt]

Tinted Lensless Lokix would not be good

I can't comprehend such a concept

Now imagine if Tinted Lens was on a Pokemon that is good without Tinted Lens

Mortifying

[graceful mirage]

Ok yeah but we are talking about the whole package here

In which lokix is good

[sweet crypt]

Yeah when you consider Tinted Lens Lokix is good

[graceful mirage]

You know what would be evil? Harvest toxapex

[wispy osprey]

Tinted Lens rotom-wash

[sweet crypt]

Would it replace Regenerator? I struggle to think so

[sweet crypt]

Y'know what? You got me there

That's fair

That's fair

[graceful mirage]

Good point it does have to compete with regenerator

Harvest blissey

[wispy osprey]

boosted accuracy Hydro Pump and Thunder Wave oh no

[sweet crypt]

Wrong ability

Tinted Lens doubles damage vs resisted targets

[wispy osprey]

oh that’s compound eyes

whoops

[sweet crypt]

But Washtom is a defensive Pokemon

One that relies on Levitate

Tinted Lens is just another ability on the pile of abilities that thematically fit Volcarona but should never, ever be given to it

[wispy osprey]

yeah no let’s stay away from that

[graceful mirage]

I figured it out. Harvest cresselia

[wispy osprey]

I mean doesn’t Volcaro a already have 3 abilities

that’s max

[sweet crypt]

You could give it that, or Drought, or Levitate

[wispy osprey]

2 normal, 1 hidden

[sweet crypt]

You could even justify a Fur Coat/Fluffy

[graceful mirage]

Mega volcarona with drought

[sweet crypt]

Also, Volcarona only has 2 abilities

[graceful mirage]

Does volcarona not have a hidden ability

[sweet crypt]

Flame Body and Swarm as HA

Imagine having fucking Swarm as a hidden ability

Depressing

[wispy osprey]

that is an awful hidden ability damn

why would you ever use that

[sweet crypt]

On one hand, forced 50%

On the other hand it becomes literally just better Zard Y

[graceful mirage]

I still feel robbed by delphox getting magician while greninja got fucking protean

[sweet crypt]

Morning Sun gonna heal it all the way back to full

And then it starts Quiver Dancing

[wispy osprey]

while maintaining that 4x weakness to rock that makes Zard Y so special

[sweet crypt]

And you fucking die

Unless you put all of Volcarona's 100 points into Attack I struggle to see Mega Volcarona not having better stats than Zard Y

So yeah basically just better Zard Y

Because it has a healing move that is boosted by its Drought

And Quiver Dance

[wispy osprey]

I’ll be sure not to poke it with any sharp rocks (that’s what singles is right)

[sweet crypt]

Singles does center around hazards

[wispy osprey]

aha I know things about non-doubles meta games let’s gooo

[sweet crypt]

But hazards were never something that were capable of fully invalidating Volcarona

Volcarona has been at least an A- rank in the viability rankings for every generation of OU since its inception

[wispy osprey]

oh and heavy duty boots exist ig

[sweet crypt]

Not if you're Mega

That's what would keep a Mega Volcarona in check

[wispy osprey]

are we still imagining mega volc

[sweet crypt]

Unless Volcarona gets Magic Guard

[brisk hedge]

Volcarona doesn’t have a mega evolution

[wispy osprey]

but then it wouldn’t have Drought

[wispy osprey]

not YET

[sweet crypt]

We're doing theoreticals here

[sweet crypt]

We have been talking about a theoretical mega volcarona since this message

[sweet crypt]

Fair

And Magic Guard is a lot better when you can hold an item to abuse it

Volcarona featuring 1.3* damage boost and Toxic immunity

Mortifying

Magic Guard is arguably the best non signature ability that isn't Huge Power (because Huge Power is Huge Power)

[wispy osprey]

in singles at least

[sweet crypt]

Yeah in Singles

Every Pokemon with Magic Guard in Singles uses it over their other abilities

The only one that may consider something else is Clefable with Unaware

And even then Unaware is the secondary

[raven bison]

I'm heading to Victory Road right now. Why are there only 3 Pokémon that can learn Waterfall from Gen 6 (Kalos)? If I didn't pick Froakie as a starter, then I need to find Clauncher if I'm playing Pokémon X & Skrelp if I'm playing Pokémon Y. I guess I'm going to fish for Skrelp now.

[sweet crypt]

I mean, not only does it protect from stuff like Toxic/Toxic Spikes, Burn, Leech Seed, Stealth Rocks, Spikes and Sandstorm, but it also protects from stuff on the offensive side, most notably Life Orb, but it also mitigates stuff like Recoil and Crash Damage, if there is ever a Pokemon that can viably run such a move while having Magic Guard

This ability turns Clefable into a top 4 Pokemon in Gen 4 OU, before it even got the Fairy type

[sweet crypt]

I mean, you could always allow non Gen 6 mons as HM slaves

[wispy osprey]

I used Lanturn 😄

[raven bison]

Nah, then it's not only gen 6 Pokémon run. I like to keep it legit.

[sweet crypt]

All I

A

I typed enter too early

Lmfao

[wispy osprey]

also what’s wrong with Skrelp

Dragargle is so cool

[sweet crypt]

All I'm gonna say is that there's a reason solo Pokemon runs allow others for HMs

[sweet crypt]

The fact that it would have to have Waterfall

[raven bison]

https://tenor.com/view/epico-gif-10005337172608430078

[graceful mirage]

You could use smeargle as an HM slave

That's gen 6 iirc

[raven bison]

Smeargle isn't gen 6 Pokémon. I'm doing only gen 6 pokemon run. If I'm not I would use it by now.

[sweet crypt]

Smeargle's gen 2, no?

[graceful mirage]

Smeargle isn't a gen 6 pokemon?

Huh gen 2

Why did I think that

I mean your options for gen 6 pokemon are pretty limited

Small dex not including megas

[sweet crypt]

The answer for any problems related to battle is simple

Step 1: Play the story

[raven bison]

Maybe because there is so many painter that use smeargle on gen 6, maybe that's why you think that.

Idk

[sweet crypt]

Step 2: Put Xerneas/Yveltal on your team

Simple

[raven bison]

[sweet crypt]

I mean I guess Mega Gardevoir is scary

Since you're either eating a SE Moonblast or a Fairy Aura Moonblast

But simply kill it first fr

[raven bison]

Yea

[graceful mirage]

Do any of the new gen 6 pokemon learn waterfall at all?

Dragalge?

[raven bison]

I didn't change my all of my Pokémon move set yet. It doesn't matter anyway, pokemon x & y is easy.

[sweet crypt]

If you were playing X, you could probably have just tanked Hawlucha Poison Jab, Geomancied up and then instantly swept Diantha with Moonblast

[raven bison]

Alright time to continue fishing, didn't find skrelp yet.

[graceful mirage]

Xerneas is very crazy

[sweet crypt]

Ah well

[graceful mirage]

It was so dominant in comp

[sweet crypt]

Xerneas and Yveltal's roles are swapped in Competitive

The latter supports everyone else and prevents them from getting slaughtered by evil and intimidating horse

The latter fucking kills everyone

*former

My brain is not working today

Sorry

[raven bison]

Any recommendation for my Yveltal move set? I'm going to move re-learner later.

[graceful mirage]

I will never forgive smeargal for dark void smeargal

[sweet crypt]

Dark Pulse and Oblivion Wing definitely stay

[raven bison]

The other pokemon should be fine, Yveltal probably can solo the E4

[graceful mirage]

They didn't have to nerf the accuracy of dark void when they were already removing it from smeargle. Darkrai didn't deserve that

Why must darkrai suffer for the sins of the wretched smeargle

[sweet crypt]

I am unsure if Yveltal beats Diantha tbh her team kinda goes crazy vs Yveltal

Goodra has crazy special bulk

Tyrantrum and Aurorus resist Flying

Dark Pulse maybe KOs? Idk

It probably can tank one or the other

You learn Focus Blast at level 72 though

[unkempt egret]

suffered both smeargle sins and "4v4 doubles is the only format ever" sins of GF

[graceful mirage]

eh mostly smeargles sins

[sweet crypt]

Hawlucha and Gourgeist are fodder

[graceful mirage]

darkrai is literally never legal in comp

so it was really just smeargle who did it

[sweet crypt]

Y'know what would be hilarious

[unkempt egret]

mythical moment

[graceful mirage]

the vile and wretched smeargle

[sweet crypt]

Use TM 01 on Yveltal to gain accuracy for Focus Blast

That'd be fucking funny

[wispy osprey]

I mean, it was never going to be legal in VGC anyway

[sweet crypt]

(Hone Claws)

[unkempt egret]

I refuse to believe it was just smeargle alone, sorry.

[wispy osprey]

so like… whatever

[sweet crypt]

It was since Gamefreak gives 0 shits about Singles

[graceful mirage]

literally only smeargle could use dark void in competitive

[unkempt egret]

also I wonder can yv go mixed?

I still refuse regardless of what yall say

[graceful mirage]

It was only smeargles fault

[sweet crypt]

I think it already does

[graceful mirage]

it could literally have only been smeargle

[unkempt egret]

not as far as I'm concerned.

[sweet crypt]

It can go mixed, special, physical

[unkempt egret]

you can keep screaming and I'll refuse to listen

[graceful mirage]

since mythicals are never legal except for like one month in swsh I think? where everyone hated magearna

[wispy osprey]

what else would it have been if not Smeargle

[unkempt egret]

at least to smearg anyway I can see yveltal being flexible to run a lot of different sets

[sweet crypt]

Though usually when it is mixed it's more so it has no investment and is running moves that are useful for being a support mon

Like Sucker Punch

[wispy osprey]

list of Pokémon that can learn Dark Void

1. Darkrai (never legal in formal competitive)
2. Smeargle

literally the reason for the nerf could only have been Smeargle

[sweet crypt]

Gamefreak watches Gen 6 Ubers Smogon matches I guess idk

[unkempt egret]

I like how I said I don't care and yall just keep going

[graceful mirage]

dark void smeargle was really popular in comp too when it was a thing

[wispy osprey]

provide us with an alternate reason then

[graceful mirage]

anyway my petition is to unnerf dark void

keep it away from smeargle tho

[sweet crypt]

Yeah Dark Void can be unnerfed by now

[unkempt egret]

I shall not dignify you with one.

[sweet crypt]

Darkrai has fallen to OU and it's sad

[unkempt egret]

You and Me do Not Agree and That is Where I End my Cares.

[sweet crypt]

Get this man back to Ubers fr

[graceful mirage]

at least darkrais movie is pretty decent. most mythicals dont even get that

[unkempt egret]

also didn't smog ban sleep entirely at some point recently?

I recall that being at least on the docket in gen 9's list

[graceful mirage]

yeah but smogon isnt in charge of nerfing dark void

[unkempt egret]

right that was more about the OU part

[sweet crypt]

Yes because Darkrai and Iron Valiant may or may not have been inducing situations where you instantly win or lose on turn 1

And it's a 50/50

[unkempt egret]

Iron valiant runs (ran I guess) hypnosis right

[sweet crypt]

Generally having a game instantly end on turn 1 due to a 50/50 is not competitive

[unkempt egret]

I forgot what sleep move it has for a sec

[sweet crypt]

Though I think banning Hypnosis (and Dark Void) would be the better play

Since Spore for example was not broken

[unkempt egret]

mostly by virtue of its users

[sweet crypt]

To make things clear, this wasn't their most viable set

But it was the most uncompetitive

[graceful mirage]

one of the crazier things IF does is let whimsicott learn spore from TM

like wtf prankster spore

[sweet crypt]

One of?

[graceful mirage]

what were they thinking

[unkempt egret]

right I would guess their best set would be a mixed attacker? I dunno if proto works well with that

[raven bison]

I guess I'm going to use these for my Yveltal :

• Sucker punch
• Dark pulse
• Oblivion wing
• Focus Blast

I guess I can use the accuracy boost from O-Power Accuracy.

[sweet crypt]

It is straight up the most batshit thing in IF

[unkempt egret]

hm I think dia's goodra also only has attacking moves so could be a good plan

[sweet crypt]

Even ignoring Prankster you still have like 116 speed

So if you don't want to get screwed over by Dark types

Which to be fair

You had the Fairy type to screw over anyways

You just don't run Prankster

[raven bison]

https://tenor.com/view/the-rock-ohh-gif-13319726218162549947

[sweet crypt]

Since you have plenty of speed already

[graceful mirage]

Sun team whimiscott with chlorophyll is what I'm gonna run on my IF sun team. Don't need prankster it's already so fast

[unkempt egret]

I forget uh does infiltrator pierce safeguard? it's a turbo-niche interaction but

[sweet crypt]

It doesn't even make sense because Spore is quite obviously mushroom spores

And cotton spore is an existing move

[graceful mirage]

Cotton spore is pretty good too

[unkempt egret]

and cotton guard too

[graceful mirage]

Whimsicott does not need spore

[sweet crypt]

It does need something

At least from a Singles standpoint

[unkempt egret]

you know what it does need tho in IF: play rough

[sweet crypt]

But that thing is not Spore

[unkempt egret]

though that might just be me working to find the most wonky whimsicott fusions rofl

[sweet crypt]

The last thing we need is something with high speed getting Spore without Mycelium Might or something like that

[graceful mirage]

Whimsicott is consistently great in comp tho

[sweet crypt]

Hence why I specified Singles

[wispy osprey]

is Prankster Tailwind not good in singles

[unkempt egret]

yea play rough is more because I keep running into using wimsi fusions with higher attack than special attack

[graceful mirage]

Part of the reason irs so good in doubles is because speed changes happen dynamically in the middle of the turn so it allows your partner to move second round 1

[sweet crypt]

If Whimsicott was good in Singles it would not be ZU currently (PU in Gen 8, NU in Gen 7)

Actually had a good showing in Gen 6 (UU) but not gen 5 (RU, and apparently it's not great there)

There's that one strat you see in those staged salty noob videos with prankster leech seed focus sash substitute

But like

Hazards

Grass types

[raven bison]

You can always transfer move set on PIF, transfer it sketch.

[sweet crypt]

Even niche stuff like Infiltrator, sound moves and multihit moves

[unkempt egret]

I'm assuming this is also why icy wind and electroweb are nice in doubles too

[graceful mirage]

Exactly

[unkempt egret]

even if they're a bit more limited in comparison

[sweet crypt]

Idk what turn order leech seed has compared to other damage over time effects though lmao

[graceful mirage]

Iron Bundle would run icy wind

[unkempt egret]

(a bit less so in 4v4 since switching is a bigger exchange there)

[sweet crypt]

Tbh Whimsicott could get an evolution or Mega

Its stats look the part

[graceful mirage]

Whimsicott really doesn't need it

[sweet crypt]

As always I would lean towards an evolution

[unkempt egret]

oh I thought you were gonna go on the other salty noob video farming strat

[graceful mirage]

You usually don't want your mega as a support pokemon anyway

[unkempt egret]

which is the beat up + justified rock slide one rofl

[wispy osprey]

Absurdicott 🔥

[sweet crypt]

I just would rather a Pokemon evolve than mega evolve if possible no matter what

[unkempt egret]

which like most double gimicks gets deleted by follow me and fake out

[sweet crypt]

Whimsicott being good in Doubles could justify not getting an evo

But Bisharp was great in Singles but got an evo anyways

So like

[graceful mirage]

It's a consistent vgc staple

[sweet crypt]

:/

[graceful mirage]

Yeah but TPC couldn't care less about aingles

[sweet crypt]

Duraludon was shit in both from what I could tell

Because Duraludon is a fraud

[unkempt egret]

lighter that can't even light up right

[sweet crypt]

Imagine having 535 BST and a great typing and still not being the best 1st stage

[graceful mirage]

Now it's got archaludon whose great

[sweet crypt]

What an absolute JOKE

[unkempt egret]

also "support mega" made me think of mega audino's lack of use in particular

[sweet crypt]

And not a funny one

A pathetic one

[wispy osprey]

fr imagine having 535 bst and a great typing and still being outperformed by fucking CLEFAIRY

[sweet crypt]

I wish it kept Regenerator

[sweet crypt]

Clefairy in Doubles

In Singles its Gligar

And Scyther

[unkempt egret]

I was gonna joke about klefki but magic guard + friend guard goes hard too

[sweet crypt]

Gligar doesn't even have Poison Heal yet lmao

What it does have is 105 less BST than Duraludon

While Scyther's type is infinitely worse

[unkempt egret]

actually I wondered if we get another PMD how hard friend guard would go but then remembered it's a hidden ability only

[graceful mirage]

poison heal gliscor who never fucking dies

[sweet crypt]

AKA: Fraudraludon

[unkempt egret]

even in GO mega audino isn't helped because it shares its quick movepool with chansey/blissey

[sweet crypt]

Archaludon is based though

[graceful mirage]

If we get mega malamar and it doesn't keep contrary I will be sad

I love contrary

[sweet crypt]

If we get Mega Malamar and it doesn't keep contrary I riot

[unkempt egret]

who both have to be nerfed into the dirt or else GL/UL would revolve entirely around them

[wispy osprey]

can’t wait for mega Malamar with the new ability Supercontrarian which doubles all of its stat changes and makes them only positive

[unkempt egret]

not unrealistic considering some megas have kept abilities like medicham's

[sweet crypt]

Holy Simple Contrary

[graceful mirage]

contrary just feels kinda iconic to malamar

[wispy osprey]

fr

[graceful mirage]

like contrary is part of its shtick

[sweet crypt]

If any of the Contrary mons got evolutions or megas or whatever

They should keep Contrary

[graceful mirage]

please mega lurantis with contrary gamefreak

[sweet crypt]

Since that's their defining trait for all but Enamorus

[wispy osprey]

seriously people complain about Malamar evolution methods but it’s so thematically accurate to that pokemon that I’m fine with it

[sweet crypt]

And Shuckle

But like

Shuckle does not count

[graceful mirage]

trying to do it on an emulator is annoying tho

eviolite shuckle would be so funny tho

[wispy osprey]

I figured it out well enough

and it was so worth it

[unkempt egret]

shuckle using contrary shell smash to go even further into shell

[wispy osprey]

Spindle my GOAT

[sweet crypt]

Eviolite Shuckle might actually be its best option

Simply because I cannot think of anything else

[graceful mirage]

eviolite shuckle with body press

[unkempt egret]

(I think it does use sturdy for sticky web tho)

[sweet crypt]

Because wtf does it even do?

Lead with Sturdy, set Sticky Web and die?

You don't need Leftovers to die

[unkempt egret]

last I read I think?

[sweet crypt]

Tbf you don't need Eviolite either

[graceful mirage]

shuckle can never get an evolution because then it would be allowed to hold an eviolite

[unkempt egret]

it's not used often for a reason rofl

[sweet crypt]

Shuckle is ass for obvious reasons

Like y'know

[unkempt egret]

I mean in hacks it's used to make the first gyms miserable slogs

[graceful mirage]

base 345 defenses

[unkempt egret]

glares at vanilla vega*

[sweet crypt]

Having 20 HP

And 10 offences making it good at using Sticky Web and nothing else

[graceful mirage]

exactly thats why it needs body press

it would be so funny

[sweet crypt]

I guess it can use Toxic

But it fears Toxic about as much as it uses it

Because it's a defensive Pokemon

[unkempt egret]

and wrap but it's also wrap

[sweet crypt]

And as soon as a singular Pokemon who doesn't fear Toxic comes in on Shuckle things are looking bad

Because you just gave that thing free turns

And you can't do shit about it

[graceful mirage]

tbh if they gave shuckle like fissure it would be scary

just start gambling

wasnt that deer ruin pokemon running fissure for awhile since it could stay alive long enough to keep gambling

[sweet crypt]

This is why I love Smogon

OHKO moves banned

[unkempt egret]

meanwhile me randomizing emerald and yeeting out all four OHKO moves with 0 shame

[sweet crypt]

♥️

[wispy osprey]

tinglu

🔥

[unkempt egret]

ting lu yea

[wispy osprey]

we love fissure + stomping tantrum

[unkempt egret]

since if it missed then tantrum was 150 base power

[wispy osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/wochien-pokemon-pokemon-scarlet-and-violet-cursed-images-my-honest-reaction-gif-5359670189486873357

[unkempt egret]

basically hyper beam but the recharge turn was both not forced and could OHKO out of nowhere

[sweet crypt]

I want to note that TIng-Lu's bulk far exceeds Shuckle's

That's how much 20 base HP hurts it

[unkempt egret]

but yea 3 of em got replaced with coverage moves for other types and sheer cold became a hyper beam clone

I forget isn't it something like if shuckle's defenses got balatro plasma'ed it be something like 75/75/75?

[graceful mirage]

You know who I really want to get an evolution

Cacturne

[sweet crypt]

Ting-Lu's special bulk is infamous in Singles

[unkempt egret]

I could test when I get home

[sweet crypt]

252 SpA Choice Specs Iron Valiant Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Vessel of Ruin Ting-Lu: 276-326 (53.6 - 63.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
I mean like this being a 2HKO only is crazy

This is 120 SpA, STAB Specs Moonblast

[unkempt egret]

also shuckle with leech seed and spiky shield was hilarious in IF speaking of cacturne

[graceful mirage]

I love cacturne but it could really use something

[sweet crypt]

What you might not know

Is that Ting-Lu's physical bulk is on par with its Special bulk despite the ability

4 Atk Iron Valiant Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Ting-Lu: 218-260 (42.4 - 50.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

This moose is fat

The main reason it's remembered more as a special wall is because that's what it usually invests into

HP and SpD

But in reality, it is ever so slightly physically bulkier

(Iron Valiant's stats modified to actually work with the test, obviously)

[graceful mirage]

man they really decided to give you only terrible outfit options in scarlet and violet huh

like wow I dont like any of these outside of like two of the BB academy outfits and I guess the kitakami ones?

[sweet crypt]

The main thing holding Ting-Lu back is that its defensive type isn't optimal

Weaknesses to Fighting, Bug, Water, Ice and Fairy are not good

Grass is also there

Resisting Poison, Rock, Ghost and Dark is nice though, and so is being immune to Electric

Psychic is also an immunity I suppose

It probably has done something somewhere

[graceful mirage]

they even have one outfit where like the top is decent its like an alright suit and then you are just wearing the ugliest fucking orange pinstriped pants ever

whoever designed naranja academy's uniform should be fired

team star had the right idea this school sucks

no drip

the major assignment is just go out into the world and do something idk

These outfits are so orange

[nova marlin]

i cant catch this guy😭

is that normal

[unkempt egret]

knowing ||anti||, probably?

gen 9: giving you all of the customization you'd want except you can't really change the one area that matters the most

[nova marlin]

its weird cause

i saw other people catch him

now i cant go back

[unkempt egret]

strange. haven't played mariomon yet so I'm not sure

[sonic sky]

the clothes? rlly havent played any pokemon/violet game

[sonic sky]

i think im going to play them tho

with a monotype to be fun

[unkempt egret]

yea the main clothing options are restricted to only four options that look similar to one another with the DLC adding 8 more

there is a lot of customization otherwise though

[sonic sky]

sad

[unkempt egret]

also what type are you planning on?

[sonic sky]

psychic it is

i can modificate the starter using PkHeX

and starter has been chosen as mime jr

are there gym badges in pokemon violet or scarlet?

[unkempt egret]

hmmm nice nice

yep! 8 normal badges, 5 sun/moon styled boss fights, and 5 fights followed by boss targets

[sonic sky]

oh okay i thought it was like sun and moon

i hate totem pokemons

[unkempt egret]

also mimes aren't in gen 9 so might wanna reroll that

[sonic sky]

really?

[unkempt egret]

yea the fights thankfully are 2v1 instead of 1v2's like they are there

[wispy osprey]

totem pokemon are actually based (except lurantis all my homies hate lurantis)

[unkempt egret]

hang on one sec

[sonic sky]

when i play a monotype i usually spin the wheel of a random pokemon per gym, if it lands on a pokemon that isnt available, i wait for the next gym

[unkempt egret]

https://www.serebii.net/scarletviolet/unobtainable.shtml

[sonic sky]

i hate the mechanic

[unkempt egret]

thank you serebii for the list

if a mon is only in the DLC then you can still import it over via home without needing it

[wispy osprey]

yeah scarlet and violet are actually the worst ever pokemon games because they don't have crobat

[sonic sky]

but they are here

[unkempt egret]

strange that they don't and I think even gen 8 waited until the final DLC for the bats (same with absol actually)

[sweet crypt]

Gonna do a Monotype run too, fuck it

Fighting has been chosen

So I'm using Quaxly

[sonic sky]

peak type

[unkempt egret]

those are mons that aren't available in the game

[sweet crypt]

And I'm gonna get the early Flamigo

[unkempt egret]

so anything not on that list is fair game

[sweet crypt]

Because Flamigo is based

[unkempt egret]

hm I may as well too

[sweet crypt]

And also will fucking destroy everything early game

[sonic sky]

keeping him in a box until lvl 36

[unkempt egret]

how about grass I haven't done mono grass

[sweet crypt]

I'm not insane

Sorry :(

[sonic sky]

😭

makes sense

[sonic sky]

i did only one in pokemon infinite fusion

[sweet crypt]

Quaquaval is definitely on the final team

That's 100% sure

[unkempt egret]

I wanna do my one run but I need a physical deck of cards for it

[sweet crypt]

I also need to decide if I'm doing Scarlet or Violet

[wispy osprey]

scarlet

duh

[sweet crypt]

If I do Scarlet, I get access to Great Tusk

But I get Iron Valiant in Violet

[wispy osprey]

ok but scarlet is also just better

[sweet crypt]

And also

[unkempt egret]

yea both are options

[sweet crypt]

IRON MF HANDS 🔥

[unkempt egret]

imo ||the final boss is the biggest diff||

[sweet crypt]

I think Iron Hands alone probably justifies Violet over Scarlet in terms of actual teambuilding

And adding Iron Valiant makes it one sided

Tbf Koraidon also exists

But like

[unkempt egret]

||it feels like scarlet's has more quad weaknesses while violet's has more shared weaknesses||

[sonic sky]

tried a monotype in an emerald rom hack, never got past elite four

[sweet crypt]

It wouldn't be a challenge if I used one of the best Pokemon of all time, would it?

[unkempt egret]

valiant effort

[sonic sky]

and heres my monograss run

meganium is an insane pick but whatever

[sweet crypt]

I guarantee you both Iron Hands and Iron Valiant are joining me for the DLC

Does Flamigo stay past early game?

It has the stats to continue being viable after early game

[unkempt egret]

the victreebel/glaceon is cursed but a great flavor of cursed

[sonic sky]

i liked the fusion alot

[sweet crypt]

Ah right, Slither Wing is in Scarlet

Darn

[unkempt egret]

I recall flamigo actually being what the speedrun uses on one route actually

[sweet crypt]

I like Slither Wing but I also like Hands and Valiant

[sonic sky]

so peak

[sweet crypt]

And Hands and Valiant are better in battle

[sonic sky]

i hate having to choose a game for a different set of pokemon

[sweet crypt]

Tusk is far behind all 3 in terms of how much I like them

Hence, Violet it is

[sonic sky]

having exclusive pokemons for a version

and even worse is trade evolutions

[unkempt egret]

I only have scarlet here so no options for me rofl

[sweet crypt]

I think Annihilape probably makes it onto the team if I want to play well

[sonic sky]

thought they learnt the lesson with legends arceus

[sweet crypt]

And tbf Annihilape is a sick Pokemon

[sonic sky]

annihilape is top 5 gen 9 pokemon

[sweet crypt]

So I don't see what the drawback is here

[unkempt egret]

tempted to go mono ice and run vanillish for comedy

(thank you GO for allowing me to not have to put up with vanillite for like 30 levels)

[sonic sky]

mono ice is so ahh🥀 💔

[sonic sky]

community day?

[sweet crypt]

Quaquaval
Flamigo
Annihilape
Iron Hands
Iron Valiant
So far these is the ordering of when I'll get the Pokemon

[unkempt egret]

just got a low-level one but yea that was last weekend

[sweet crypt]

Though ofc Hands and Valiant are post game

[sonic sky]

i cant make a team before playing, i need it to be a surprise for some reason

[unkempt egret]

understandable

[sonic sky]

i feel the need to experiment many pokemond

[unkempt egret]

ok good I think I can OHKO this farf now

[sweet crypt]

I'll probably be getting Tera Dark on Iron Hands to ||deal with the final phase of Terapagos||

Since otherwise that could be a pain

[sonic sky]

my starter wont be a mesprit for sure

[sweet crypt]

I could also use Scrafty or Urshifu, leaning towards the former since my team is already kinda stupidly stacked

[unkempt egret]

I would make another GO joke but it's over my 560 BST limit

since I use that in place of a no-legends rule

which does throw some non-legends under the bus but also allows using some "weakerl legends like phione and urshifu

[sweet crypt]

I need to focus more on my early game though and I think Scrafty's only in the DLC

[unkempt egret]

...and possibly calyrex if we could ever have one below level EIGHTY

[sweet crypt]

Tbf Quaquaval, Flamigo and Annihilape can probably sweep most of early game

They're kinda GOATed

[sonic sky]

great my starter is a spoink

[sonic sky]

||he has only splash until level 7||

[sweet crypt]

I hope you like using Struggle to gain EXP

[sonic sky]

i could use the rush feature in the game right?

to level up

[sweet crypt]

True

That's true

Very true

[sonic sky]

he learns confusion at level 7

is pretty decent

[sweet crypt]

"True, aaaand.... yeah, that's pretty true"

[sonic sky]

330 BST

could be worse

[sweet crypt]

I could technically do Teal Mask early

And get myself an Okidogi

That would be funny

I could also trade in a Hisuian Sneasel from L:A

I would like a Poison type for the Fairy MU

[sonic sky]

it doesnt make sense to access the dlc that has a literal legendary when your team is like level 5

[sweet crypt]

It doesn't

But you can

And their levels will be nerfed

[sonic sky]

and okidogi doesnt even have the legendary aspect

had a new idea, havent touched my alpha sapphire rom in like years

lets do a monotype there

its easier and lighter

[sweet crypt]

I'll trade Hisuian Sneasel in once I beat half of the major bosses in base game

[sonic sky]

you have the physical copy of the game?

[sweet crypt]

Of both SV and L:A

And I have HOME

[coarse estuary]

ok making my way through my violet replay on my online profile and im loving the team i chose

[sonic sky]

yeah a life saver many times

i hate you

[sweet crypt]

Counting the E4 and Champion as one, there are 24 bosses in the base game

Hence, once I beat 12, I will get Hisuian Sneasel

That's a 4th member of the non postgame team

Due to a certain trainer, I am forced to run either Pawmot or Lucario

I'm leaning towards the latter, given my plans to catch Iron Hands

There is another problematic Pokemon for my team that I'm noticing on the bigger battles

I'm just gonna pray I outspeed it tbh

Quaquaval with Aqua Step and Sneasler should definitely help with that

My last Pokemon before post game will be Heracross

For the simple reason of "I felt like it"

[sweet crypt]

Depends

Origin Palkia>>Origin Dialga=Dialga>Palkia

At least in my opinion

[sonic sky]

i cant accept a thing that walks in 4 paws to be better than palkia

[sweet crypt]

It's a good thing Origin Dialga doesn't walk on 4 paws

Tbh I get why Origin Dialga has a brick in its throat but it's also my only gripe with the design

Also, from a competitive viewpoint...

Origin Palkia>=Palkia>Dialga>>Origin Dialga

They did Origin Dialga dirty

[sonic sky]

i dont know anything about competitive tho

rom getting ready

[waxen grail]

https://tenor.com/view/palkia-pokemon-pokemon-palkia-glowing-legends-arceus-gif-6712053054178898280

Centaur man from mega man gone wrong

https://tenor.com/view/honse-gif-24198426

[unkempt egret]

I was gonna say is palkia's the one that's basically a BotW Lynell but pokemon'ed

[waxen grail]

I prefer dialgas origin form so much more. Abstract art

[nova marlin]

yeah. i have no idea how to get past here

[coarse estuary]

just like you would if traveling up sky pillar in emerald

[wispy osprey]

the worst mechanic ever

ughhhhhhhh i hated sky pillar in emerald, sky pillar in ORAS was so much better

[coarse estuary]

im just glad the only emerald ive ever played just skipped that part entirely when i got to soot

[nova marlin]

problem is

they break the NANOsecond

i touch them

[coarse estuary]

are you running across them on mach bike with your games speedup function off?

[nova marlin]

i dont got a bike in this

wait

now that you mention it

theres a kart

maybe

[coarse estuary]

kart is the bike

[wispy osprey]

oh we're mario karting up the sky pillar with this one for sure

[coarse estuary]

drift round the corner to improve shiny odds lol

[nova marlin]

i lowkey cant fucking drive

[coarse estuary]

ok

[raven bison]

As I thought Yveltal can solo the elite 4 + Pokémon League champion. This is why I never use legendary on my play through. I give it dread plate + dark pulse, it break through enemy defenses.

Oh yea, I give it O-Power Special Attack + Accuracy as well.

Pokemon Y run with only gen 6 pokemon done.

[coarse estuary]

ooh dark love. im actually doing a dark mono run in my violet replay on my online profile

[raven bison]

Good luck with that, this run is gen 6 only, so I can't use any mega, the only gen 6 pokemon that has mega is diancie, and it's not even obtainable on pokemon x/y.

I'm going to play pokemon ultra moon next if I have free time

[sonic sky]

pokemon scarlet fighting monotype croagunk

[graceful mirage]

how well does your scarlet run?

im using the final ryujinx version and am trying to optimize it rn so it gets 30fps

its weird because if I turn off Vsync and uncap the framerate it runs decently but if I reenable vysync to cap it at 30fps again or cap it at 30fps using other methods it starts to run bad again

but I cant run it at higher than 30fps without the whole game speeding up?

does Yuzu just run it better?

[sonic sky]

im about to test out

[graceful mirage]

tbh I might just run the game at 40fps since the speedup isnt so big to be distracting

[sonic sky]

the other times i had a hard time

visual bugs and such

its horrible

hope today its different

[graceful mirage]

ive had no visual bugs other than chromatic abberation in the intro cutscene

its just been a bit laggy

[sonic sky]

i mean my game is also laggy

i really need the fast forward on pokemon games

and without fps thats not possible

[graceful mirage]

for me it ran better when I turned off Vsync but also of course it sped up the game significantly

[sonic sky]

thats why i never touched violet or scarlet for more than an hour

[sonic sky]

what gpu you have?

[graceful mirage]

laptop 4060

[sonic sky]

oh

well yeah i have a gtx 1660 super

im way behind

[graceful mirage]

tbh its crazy I cant nab a consistent 30 with a 4060

its def not my CPU which is way more powerful

[sonic sky]

it is the optimizations fault

even on the switch this game had alot of bugs

[graceful mirage]

yeah but even with the funkyness that the emulator adds my PC is orders of magnitudes more powerful than a switch

[sonic sky]

of course, idk what caused this, maybe the game is just bad😭

[graceful mirage]

anyway if it doesnt work out for you try turning off Vsync and then manually capping the emulator program at whatever fps you want accountinf for the game speed increase

60fps would be 2x etc

[sonic sky]

yeah i did that

im using 2.5x since 3x crashed at the intro

[placid fulcrum]

Guys! I was going through my Ultra Moon photo album and it goes all the way back to 2011

I feel so old lol

[graceful mirage]

2.5x speed up would just be really distracting to have on all the time

mines at 1.33x at 40fps

[sonic sky]

you are unc

[sonic sky]

why tho?

[sonic sky]

i feel the game to slow

[placid fulcrum]

I WAS STILL IN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL

[sonic sky]

on gba games i put 5x speed sometimes even 7x

[sonic sky]

then you were born in between 2000-2005

2001-2005 i think

[brisk hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/now-old-man-the-future-is-now-old-man-gif-9677657

[graceful mirage]

I was also in elementary school when I played moon for the first time

that or middle school I cant quite remember

[sonic sky]

https://tenor.com/view/travis-marshall-dexter-wolf-alpha-cuppofdirt-gif-16925616665251351087

[brisk hedge]

(Please ignore the fact that I was in high school when SM came out)

[sonic sky]

my first pokemon game was mystery dungeon dx i think on the 2ds

[graceful mirage]

mine was Y

[sonic sky]

crazy

[unkempt egret]

first one I cared about was probably sapphire?

[graceful mirage]

man how tf does breeding work in scarlet because if I want to get a level appropriate inkay or espurr I need to breed these level 60 something ones I cheated in to start my mono psychic run

[unkempt egret]

(I had blue and silver but I don't recall ever finishing them until far later compared to wario and kirby lands lol)

[placid fulcrum]

I am now friggen 24 yrs old lol

[unkempt egret]

you pop open a camp and make a PBJ basically

[sonic sky]

i feel a newborn around yall

[placid fulcrum]

LOL

[brisk hedge]

My first main series game was Pokémon Black. My first actual Pokémon game was Pokémon Ranger Guardian Signs

[graceful mirage]

damn they just do it on the grass huh

[sonic sky]

im 16, i was getting made up while yall were playing pokemon

[unkempt egret]

then check the basket and any compatible pair might have slapped an egg in there

[unkempt egret]

the PBJ is important tho

[graceful mirage]

I see

[brisk hedge]

First actual as in literally the first one I played

[placid fulcrum]

I got into pokemon at around 2011 and ACTUALLY watched the cartoons so my mom got me(and my siblings) some 3ds games

[unkempt egret]

also I got heckin scammed my by own assumption

I guess Venusaur EX can now tank one crimson storm from charizard EX if you also throw a blue onto it

[placid fulcrum]

the one thing I don't get is how there is a Decidueye AND an Incineroar ex and NOT A PRIMARINA EX

[sonic sky]

where tf is our dad in pokemon scarlet?

[brisk hedge]

The same place he is in all the non Hoenn main series games

[graceful mirage]

idk but ive just now at this exact moment decided to headcanon that its Larry

because that dudes awesome

[placid fulcrum]

How on earth did I encounter a carbink before the grass z crystal whilst not inside a cave?

[sonic sky]

oh

[placid fulcrum]

nvm it's an npc's pokemon LOL

[sonic sky]

gonna pick quaxly so i can fight a ghost type in my mono fighting run

[placid fulcrum]

Meowscarada my beloved

[graceful mirage]

unfortunately none of the starters are psychic type so into the box they go

[placid fulcrum]

[graceful mirage]

sorry fuecoco

espurr is my new best friend

or inkay

one of those two

espurr is more friend shaped

[placid fulcrum]

My brothers are OBSESSED with Espurr

[coarse estuary]

inkay i wouldnt because its only obtainable in the dlc that doesnt scale

[graceful mirage]

oh im cheating

[coarse estuary]

dirty cheater be gone /j

[graceful mirage]

I have two level 60 malamar and two level 60 meowstics I cheated in who im trying to get to breed so I can have a level appropriate malamar and espurr

tbh the espurr is the cheating one since normally I cheat in a random x type as my starter in these monotype runs

[sonic sky]

first things first

[graceful mirage]

of which I chose inkay but I just really like espurr and also wanted one

so the espurr is the dirty cheater mon by the rules ive set

inkay is fine

although I dont really care either way

the rules are made up

now I just need to track down two ralts a female indeedee and a charcadet somewhere

[coarse estuary]

only thing i care about in these self challenges are the people to get their team to 100 before gym 1 or give themselves 6 legends then claim the run was too easy

[placid fulcrum]

at the start of my Ultra moon run I named my female popplio "Symphony" cuz of her final evolution

[unkempt egret]

late but incineroar is incineroar and rowlet was like #2 or #3 mon in japan lol

[sonic sky]

things will change

[placid fulcrum]

Young me was REALLY disappointed with incineroar when I had a FEMALE LITTEN

[unkempt egret]

things will PkHex

[graceful mirage]

the most cheating run I did was a rock only ORAS run where I cheated diancie as my starter. this was mostly because the whole run was just an excuse for me to finally use diancie which is one of my favorite pokemon

[placid fulcrum]

Diance AND magearna are beautiful

[coarse estuary]

i mean if its a casual playthrough i see no problem with that. though i do get mad at the people who cheat deaths in nuzlockes then claim they beat it flawlessly trying to cheat to get rewards for their nuzlockes

[placid fulcrum]

fr

yesterday I somehow encountered and caught a wild shiny spearow

and I've been playing this game since 2011

[sonic sky]

magic

[coarse estuary]

i remember one time someone was trying to do a nuzlocke in an old forum i was in for a forum role but every time they had a death they said the death didnt count because the death didnt occur at 8:43 pm on easter

[graceful mirage]

maybe im bad with pkhex but whenever I try to do that its all weird

I have to find an existing living dex and then convert stuff

[sonic sky]

fair enough

[graceful mirage]

like if I just wanted to create a normal level 5 espurr how would I do that

[sonic sky]

create it as an egg

[graceful mirage]

how does that work

eh ill figure it out

[sonic sky]

go to encounter database pick one of this egg pokemon

and then just change the level to 5 here

tools-data-encounter database for the boxes

[graceful mirage]

does it automatically fix itself if I swapped it to a female espurr since they have different learnsets

[sonic sky]

ohh idk abt that

all fine

[graceful mirage]

I think ill just breed the espurr

good to know for future reference tho

[placid fulcrum]

which one of my pokemon should I give my amulet coin to Spearow(shiny), Charjabug, Flabebe, Brionne, or Tauros?

[sonic sky]

even with reverse gender

[graceful mirage]

yeah but does it also change the learnset

[sonic sky]

oh yeah absolutely

[graceful mirage]

oh sick

[sonic sky]

the pkhex will tell if a move is invalid or not

they match legal pokemons

[graceful mirage]

well it might only change once they become meowstic

but if it evolves into female meowstic it should automatically be good

since the game will handle it

yeah both espurrs have the same moveset

sick tho

good to know how to do

[placid fulcrum]

and their gender difference is awesome

[graceful mirage]

I mean the difference is mainly do I want it to know shadow ball or helping hand

and id rather shadow ball since I have a female indeedee for helping hand which I will use to eventually bully kieran

trick room expanding force armorouge with indeedee F helping hand is very funny and good

[placid fulcrum]

I asked my brother on your behalf and he said Shadowball(my brother is a NERD with this topic lol)

[graceful mirage]

I mean helping hand is only good in doubles

so its really only going to get use in indigo disk

but its very good in doubles

[placid fulcrum]

ya

[graceful mirage]

which is why I have female indeedee

who can do that and more

also sets up psychic terrain to power up expanding force

psychic terrain STAB expanding force with helping hand boost has an absurd base power

I could also add terra psychic for an additional boost

this should one shot even kierans multiscale dragonite

tbh the annoying thing is just that kieran has a grimmsnarl who I cant bully

are the modifers addititive or multiplicative how does that work?

[graceful mirage]

man I really cant get over how awful the outfits in scarlet are

It bothers me a lot more than it should

[vital flare]

The lack of choices are my least favorite part of the game

[graceful mirage]

It would bother me a lot less if any of the 4 (8 with dlc) choices they gave me looked good at all

You really don't get any halfway decent outfits until kitakami or blueberry acadademy

[vital flare]

True

You'd think we would have at least gotten one or two casual outfits for kitakami at least

[tight granite]

i been very unlucky when it comes to getting ay tools

at this point i only have like 1 flute and 1 cape and that is all

the normal 20 hp cape not this one

added the cape to the blaine deck, its pretty useful in it since no mon in that deck gets above 100 health

i did see when battling the new promo bots that there is now an instant evolution item, so when i get that i might add it to blaine aswell, would certainly be helpful

[unkempt egret]

rip. I'm assuming you mean the giant cape but I can see that being a good addition

also the rare candy wouldn't help blaine at all since I recall it basically skips stage 1 and just goes from basic to stage 2... and blaine's deck doesn't have any stage 2 mons since ninetales and rapidash are both stage 1 lol

let me see what my blaine has one sec

[tight granite]

there is a stage 0?

[unkempt egret]

stage 0 is basic pokemon

[tight granite]

i just would think thats stage 1 lul

[unkempt egret]

dunno why the game calls it that but I know regular TGC does too

there's my set-up. the heatran is mostly just filler (I like heatran lol) but it's done some fine work on its own while the other mons are getting set up, could probably replace that with just about anything

[tight granite]

ah read the candy card now, yeah its useless

[unkempt egret]

could probably also chop the X speed out if I'm thinking about it

[tight granite]

i use 2 different ponyta and rapidash

[unkempt egret]

ah I like using the coinflip one a bit more but I'm also usually trying to run the fox over the horse lol

[tight granite]

i use the 20 dmg ponyta and the coin flip ponyta that could do 40 damage on heads, then i use the normal 40 dmg rapidash and then the rapidash that can do 100 dmg on heads

[unkempt egret]

ah I see you have both varieties in there

[tight granite]

ye

only doing 1 version is too much a risk sicne the coin rapidash takes 2 energy so i always gotta think if its worth it

[unkempt egret]

makes sense

especially since ninetales basically stops your energy gains when it's going so having a rapidash that can attack at only one energy can be a decent strat if ninetales comes out first

also playing around with the cat deck made me wonder if we've had actual colorless energy in the game before delcatty enabled it

(as an energy gatherer it's generally outclassed by the type specific ones lol)

though after using purugly I'm tempted to add the periscope as a joke addition for when I'm fighting the AI so I can see what's in their hand during a really bad game

[tight granite]

ah wait i do have a 3rd tool, its the x speed, also helpful in blaine, plenty of time i would start a game while only getting 1 mon in my hand which is a vulpix but i usually then also have an x speed so when i get a ponyta the round after i can easily switch out the vulpix and also do damage same turn

[unkempt egret]

I can see that as a case for X speed

I know I use it in the brock deck since onix requires four energy to retreat so X speed means I can still do so without having to use that extra energy

though I still need a second mystical island golem for the brock deck since the base golem is uh awful

[tight granite]

i never even looked at brock he really did not seem like a great card

[unkempt egret]

after using it it's like... alright? I'd honestly say surge is worse because it feels like that card's meant for one turbo-specific strat

especially now that magneton has better things to do than enable base raichu

with mystical island golem it does get a fair bit better but the main draw is having onix firing on turn 2 while you get the geodude (and lucario in my case) set up

since after guard press golem has like... 180 HP basically which is nuts for a non-EX

that might be a deck where the rare candy does get good use though but probably not as much as ones where you have multiple different stage 2 mons out

ROFL

on another note I'm setting up a plando of emerald and shedinja ended up being grass/ice

since it and castform can't change abilities at all because of how they work

[graceful mirage]

Tbh a funny loophole for mono psychic run could be to run one non psychic type with Tera psychic

Like all the gym leaders do

I probably won't since I already have a team planned out but I would allow it personally

[unkempt egret]

I was actually gonna suggest doing that earlier but decided against it

I could see that working but only with the stipulation that you can't switch it into any situation where the different type actually makes a difference

(leading in with it is perfectly allowed though, as is switching in after a faint as long as you instantly pop tera)

interestingly my own nuzlockes I decided to only ban STAB tera (and stellar tera since my rules were decided before that) while allowing non-STAB tera. Tera blast is discouraged but not outright banned in that case, only allowed when no other moves of that type are learned

doing a raid only run was fun since some of the tera choices I got were hilarious (tera water crabdominable getting special mention)

[supple basalt]

Did Lucario always have this rbf in vanilla and I just never noticed XD

[unkempt egret]

also this plando really wants me to use the buffed submission huh that's four fighting types that got rock head now

(buffed its power to 100 and its accuracy to 90. still not great but maybe workable)

[unkempt egret]

alright finally got tally of what the rando did, now to add some actual variety to the types

I think the highest of a single type was mono dark at eight fully evolved mons that had it

...oh

flat out nothing got truant huh

gonna just keep it off slaking but nerf it down to a 555 BST for good measure

gonna just roll what does get truant later and raise it's BST up considerably

[graceful mirage]

ok great news something about my scarlet bugged out and for some reason its letting me access blueberry academy way earlier than I should

maybe this means that I can nab a sensible outfit from blueberry academy early

finally ditch my terrible drip

[unkempt egret]

hmm did the truant lottery and it seems like victreebel was the winner

[smoky gyro]

Bruh

[covert fiber]

Why are people picking totodile in z-a tepig is the better option

[unkempt egret]

Nice's IV's, except...

I would post my vega team since I just got reminded of it but my main mon got blown up by mirror coat the moment I got compacent over it and I'm still salty about it hours later

[supple basalt]

Guys I found out something devastating this morning

In the current ROMHack I've been playing... Reviver seeds are not used by pokemon you have to escort. Luckily the game does even their levels to one appropriate for the dungeon you're in (Where-as they're almost always below level 10 in vanilla sky)

But. I lost my X-Ray specs and didn't have another pair of them so I reloaded to before the dungeon entirely XD

(Ignore how high my HP is, I find a ton of sitrus berries on the regular lol. The HP Limit is 999 in these games)

Like it is nice a first stage pokemon has so many more levels but still devastating that your reviver seeds can't be used on them lol

[unkempt egret]

hm

meanwhile when I was playing vanilla PMD red I think the mission I had to retry the most was a normal escort because they basically had 1 HP in that one dungeon that's like... 15 floors and their drop-off point was on floor 12 or 13

would have loved to know that I could have given them reviver seeds lol

alright I think I got everything situated with the types here

[waxen grail]

https://tenor.com/view/beheeyem-pokemon-sturdy-dance-elgyem-gif-9788705451169514077

[unkempt egret]

each type has 20 non-legendary reps except for normal and dragon, both of which only have 19

also I like how the rando trolled me in giving both sunflora a fire type (ended up as fire/normal) and ledian pure power (ice/dark) rofl

[covert fiber]

Who replaced hitmontop with beheeyem

That looks so goofy

[tropic hinge]

I mean, I'm picking chikorita, so...

[covert fiber]

FOURTH RIOLU EGG BTW

I can finally run that roy team