other-pokemon-games

[vital flare]

youd think the name would have told me that

[mighty thunder]

Fair

I did kinda build a team to try to beat the classic mode but stopped

[vital flare]

i wonder how many times i haved tryed by now

[mighty thunder]

Idk

[vital flare]

problaby not 50 yet 😂

[mighty thunder]

Idk how to help you specifically without spoiling it for you tbh

[vital flare]

also why is fairy not very effective against fire

[mighty thunder]

Idk

Pretty sure that’s normally how it works

[vital flare]

isnt it normal effective tho?

[mighty thunder]

Nah

Fire resists fairy

[vital flare]

since when?

[mighty thunder]

Gen 6 I think

[vital flare]

also what logic makes it so

[mighty thunder]

Idk

[vital flare]

idk in fairytales dragons breath fire?

[mighty thunder]

Who knows

[vital flare]

yes iv scanner got makes raising those a bit easyer

[carmine wren]

I just want a Mismagius…

[carmine wren]

Finally

It’s mine

[vital flare]

Damn tye cards have come epic

[vapid nimbus]

yo, any roms recommendations?

[vital flare]

Ds? Gba?

[vapid nimbus]

Id rather a gba one

[vital flare]

Hmm unbounds a good one if you just need more challenge games like kaizo emerald night be good

Also liquid crystal (gbc game) is also good

Theres also rouge emerald (pokerouge but gba)

[vapid nimbus]

Im going to take a look on the unbound one, looks sick, thank you very much

[vital flare]

Muking muk meant crystal clear

[unkempt egret]

Viva las Vega is also a good one if you don't mind a custom region with fakemons

Alte Red is also another one with custom mons (though all are based on vanilla mons there, kinda like alt forms)

[vital flare]

Isnt that the non english one?

[unkempt egret]

Vanilla vega is japanese but Viva is an english translated version

(Vega Minus is also in english and both are based of a full english translation of the vanilla vega which is unchanged... for better or for worse. Minus is more accurate to vanilla in that it only has the first 150 mons while viva has most of the 386 in the maingame )

[vital flare]

I vaugly remember playing it before there was a english version in my early teens

[unkempt egret]

yea vanilla vega is rough in terms of difficulty lol

base vega was 2010 the translation was... 2018 or 2019, somewhere in that range

[vital flare]

I dont think i even got past the first route

I think my attention span was worse than now

[unkempt egret]

rip

[vital flare]

Also hard to play when you cant read

[unkempt egret]

reminds me of a soullocke me and someone did in late 2023

[vital flare]

I feel old

[unkempt egret]

it was shield but I was playing in Spanish and they were playing in French, it was an interesting time lol

[vital flare]

Most modern fangame fans problaby dont even know what vizzed is/was

[brisk hedge]

?tag reading

[ebon pond]

You should try to read NPC dialogue! They give very good hints on how to continue the game. Sometimes they also give you items! Don't forget to talk to NPC's and read what they say.

[vital flare]

Said game was in japanese(or chinese)

[unkempt egret]

right, base game was in japanese

[vital flare]

Was the creator Japanese? Because thats a odd one

[unkempt egret]

probably but not sure?

[coarse estuary]

done with polished crystal for now 6 gyms deep

[unkempt egret]

nice nice

[coarse estuary]

love all these mons gives me good type diversity especially with the added types to golduck typhlosian and ampharos

[unkempt egret]

?

[coarse estuary]

golduck gains the psychic type ampha the dragon and typhlo the ground type

[unkempt egret]

aaah I see

[vital flare]

Coool

[sweet crypt]

||Mega Dragalge is so based actually||

||No clue why Clawitzer isn't included but it's not like it's the first time a member of a duo has gotten something with the other getting nothing.||

||Mega Starmie is also pretty based, but not a fan of Dragonite getting a Mega but not Goodra||

[coarse estuary]

||but its the dragoniteite||

[sweet crypt]

||Skarmory getting a Mega and not Mantine is another example of 2 version exclusives getting unequal amounts of attention, I guess Mantine has Mantyke but my anti baby agenda says that Mantyke sucks||

||All the Unova picks are top tier tbh, no complaints there||

||As expected, XY starters get megas, though I was expecting regional forms for the 3 ZA starters||

||Eternal Floette got a Mega, it was either this or it Evolving IMO||

||And I already knew of Zygarde and Zeraora's Megas, as they were leaked ages ago||

||Hawlucha Mega will be interesting, since Hawlucha's main selling point is Unburden. Without Unburden, what will they do with it?||

[coarse estuary]

||mega drampa will be so fun to use||

[sweet crypt]

||Even if ZA has no Abilities, it is likely that, like L:A, code for Abilities will be in the files (though like L:A it probably won't be final)||

Have no additional thoughts on the others ||except for Falinks, where I feel the need to say that if it doesn't get a Parental Bond clone or even a version that hits like, 6 times (though obviously with reduced power), I am rioting||

[topaz valve]

||very curious on how they will do zygarde bc his completed form alr has almost 700 bst right they would have to do it off of 50 percent and i think they would do ability’s itll be interesting with the mechanics but one of the main things that make megas good is there ability example malwile or groudon(ik not a mega byt same thing)||

[sweet crypt]

Spoiler this lol

[topaz valve]

how

[sweet crypt]

Put || at the start and end of the text you are spoilering

||Anyways, according to the old leaks, there will be a Zygarde Complete Mega. Whether it is a form change from a 50% or 10% mega or whether that's the default, I'm not sure, but dear lord I am dreading that day where I find out||

[topaz valve]

||yeah i’m not sure how balanced an 800 bst mon itll be higher thsn god||

[sturdy sparrow]

finally caught the pink whale

[proud cypress]

Anyone have any recs for other rom hacks that have randomizer or can be randomized by UPR?

[latent quail]

Started helping with the regional form spritework for pokemon hollow woods! Really great fangame

[wispy osprey]

yeah ||za starters|| getting megas makes me really upset honestly, i feel like they should only get regional forms

megas for ||kalos starters|| and regional forms for ||za starters to keep going from legends arceus||

[sweet crypt]

I'm currently running a round robin tournament with all the champions, but with the catch that they are using their Pokerogue teams and can only use items present in Pokerogue

(I'm trying my best to emulate the AI nonsense and I think with how good I usually am at predicting the trainer AI there this should be accurate enough)

Who do you think will win?

[wispy osprey]

are you using even levels and whatnot

or are their teams in pokerogue already even

and are you including kukui

because if you include kukui lowkey that's who i'd pick, otherwise i think blue or cynthia

[coarse estuary]

because i just had an interaction with my friend bout it as anyone when you are playing pokemon nuzlockes or casual playthroughs of rom hacks telling you to just get a legend as if having a legendary on your team is the automatic win button

[unkempt egret]

I generally get around that by just setting a BST limit on myself

(560, which does knock out a few other mons like archeops, slaking, and the pseudo-legends but eh)

[coarse estuary]

im more on the fact my friend says a legend on a team in any nuzlocke or rom hack is an 100% win chance blows my mind because i know games where even with a legend or 2 on your team you can still struggle

[unkempt egret]

yea I'd question that logic too, especially when hacks are concerned where even that might not help

OH RIGHT since I'm on my computer speaking of hacks uuuh let me see if I can find a viva las vega HoF

I think this was the last one I did in 2023

(I forget what the encounter rates are but I know the top-left one is far more rare than the funny always-the-same-BST mon I never seem to get in its one area)

[sweet crypt]

Trying to go with level 100 stats (Could probably have gone to level 200 stats), and making the teams myself on Showdown

Because how tf do I do this on Pokerogue itself lmao

[wispy osprey]

ask your friend to beat the game with cosmog and poipole lol

[sweet crypt]

As a result, it can't be 100% accurate

If you couldn't tell by the fact that I literally have to try to act like the AI which can be so damn unpredictable at times

For bosses, I allow myself to pick either the passive or one of the abilities, depending on which is better

And I am allowed to do anything else with the teams as long as it is theoretically possible

So I can do anything with their movepools EXCLUDING adding base game egg moves that aren't in Pokerogue, and anything with their abilities unless stated otherwise

(Some have hardcoded abilities lmao)

I have to use Tera at the earliest possible opportunity as part of imitating the AI

No EVs are used, except to imitate the Gmax form stat boosts

(Which thankfully can go over 252 per stat if you use custom games)

[unkempt egret]

kind of reminds me how gen 9 uses enemy EVs on some mons to make the tera mons a bit bulkier than normal (just 252 HP)

I forget if every enemy tera mon uses it or if it's just the gym fights that use them, at least prior to the DLC

[sweet crypt]

I'm setting up a sheet to document differential for them rn

(Can't track W/L ratio since it's actually me reusing a draft sheet and those typically don't go on for more than 15 sets)

Actually already did 9 sets, and tbf I'm probably moving away from those since I can't find a fresh matchup for each participant as easily anymore

[dark owl]

Can someone with shield trade me there zamazenta I’m finally getting around to completing the dex

I also need corasala and ponyta

[sweet crypt]

Oh also, I forgot to elaborate on if Kukui was in, yes, both he and Mustard are in

They may only have been added to Pokerogue like a week or two ago but they are still champions you can fight in it

[carmine wren]

My Decidueye destroying the other team

Had to speed the video up

[dark owl]

Can someone help me complete the sword and shield dex I have sword

[unkempt egret]

it's too late for me to trade tonight but I can trade tomorrow at about 5PM eastern US time (I have work tomrrow, sorry about that) if you still can by then since I do have shield

only mon I still need for my own dex is Slurpuff

[dark owl]

Bet

I need it to but we can trade and trade back

[dark owl]

Ok

[vital flare]

pokerouge finally ran into a shiny cherubi

finally something other than normal type that i actually managed to catch

[wispy osprey]

what about Red

he becomes champion in the games and we have a canon team for him for a point after when he became champion

[sweet crypt]

Was one of the original 14

At least, I think they were all in from the start

I remember fighting Kieran pretty early on

And he's really the only one I could see having had to be added in

Due to release date and stuff

The champions included are Blue, Lance, Red, Steven, Wallace, Cynthia, Alder, Iris, Diantha, Kukui, Hau, Leon, Mustard, Geeta, Nemona and Kieran

Though technically, neither Kukui nor Hau were champions ever

Though they were the champion level fights in Sun and Moon and USUM respectively, with the player being the champion

Yknow, considering that we were the first champions of Alola in the Alola games, it makes sense that Alola was when Ash finally became a Champion

[vital flare]

wasnt kukui the temp champ before player?

[sweet crypt]

Nope, he was the first challenger in Sun and Moon

Serving as what usually would be the Champion fight

[vital flare]

welp i need to refresh my memory then

[sweet crypt]

At least, from what I remember

May be misremembering though my memory isn't great

[vital flare]

neither is mine

longterm at least

how does gerninja form change in pokerouge?

[sweet crypt]

The only Champion (past or present) that we know of that isn't in Pokerogue is Peony I think

[sweet crypt]

Changes form after KOing 1 Pokemon if it has Battle Bond, like in Gens 6 and 7

[vital flare]

special ability?

[sweet crypt]

The form change persists until a new trainer battle

Or anything that forces you to swap your Pokemon back in

(Biome changes, mystery encounters etc)

[sweet crypt]

Yes, Battle Bond is a special ability

Idk if you can find it in the wild

But you can hatch the Battle Bond form of Froakie from eggs

Which will evolve into a Battle Bond Greninja

Pokerogue btw uses a lot of pre nerf versions of abilities

[vital flare]

good to know time to grind of its candys then

[sweet crypt]

Pre nerf Protean, pre nerf Libero, pre nerf Battle Bond, pre nerf Intrepid Sword/Dauntless Shield etc

[vital flare]

meh protean still seems good

[sweet crypt]

I'm not entirely sure if this also applies to stats, for example with Zacian and Zamazenta, or the Treasures of Ruin

[vital flare]

i need more balls couldnt catch a heliowisk

[sweet crypt]

I want to note that out of the 26 KOs Geeta's team has obtained from sets 1 to 5, Miraidon has obtained 12 of them

Miraidon is "Fair" and "Balanced"

After set 5, every trainer had lost at least once, with 4 having lost only once

As you could probably guess by the 26/30 KOs, Geeta is one of them

Their losses were all to each other with the exception of 1 of them

[sturdy sparrow]

nice design but alredy fairy would it be too obvious to go for a darker them with azurill line?

[vital flare]

hey latios if you see this whats a good way to shiny hunt? on pokerouge

[sweet crypt]

Endless if you know how to pull ot off, otherwise I dunno

Endless is also a lot less fun than classic imo

[vital flare]

ha if only i could actually finnish classic 😂

does egg hatching have a chance being shiny?

nice maybe i will get a shiny eevee eventually

[tight ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/mouse-mice-un-out-gif-12952836

[smoky gyro]

I still dont know why they decided to give cinderace a separate named ability

Just slap protean on it

[sweet crypt]

Pretty much only for flavour

[smoky gyro]

I can imagine it being annoying for new pokemon learners

Doesnt affect me cause Ive gotten so used to stuff but still

Also we still need special intimidate and special moxie

[latent quail]

Honestly? I thought the same thing, but Im just helpin out. Plus I mean who could ever get enough lovecore mon in their life? Cant wait to finish the rest of the line

[tough aspen]

I just found out that snivy has make it rain in pokerogue

contrary make it rain is insane

[unkempt egret]

pokerogue moment

[vital flare]

Those passive abilitys can be fun

[sweet crypt]

I think it also has Fleur Cannon

And yet it's still not even the best 3 cost

[vital flare]

3 cost?

[wintry lotus]

do you guys know how to make sprites for infinite fusion

[unreal bridge]

look at your first message

in general

[vital flare]

wrong place to ask this is the place for other pokemon games and fangames

[unreal bridge]

he asked in 3 channels without waiting for an answer for even a second

[vital flare]

true is that tecnicly spam?

[raven bison]

I just finished Alpha Sapphire a few days ago, Should I replay ultra moon or x first? .

[unkempt egret]

X feels closer, probably X

[dusk pebble]

Lmao, it's really funny, someone different just went into a sprinting channel to ask a question about a pokemon fan game
Feels like Those two just switched places lmaooo

[wispy osprey]

lmao imagine Wolfeys reaction to special intimidate

actually yknow what they should just buff intimidate and moxie to affect both attack stats, that’s a fair and balanced idea right

[unkempt egret]

I mean xurkitree technically has special moxie right

because it's impossible to make its beast boost boost any other stat?

I might be thinking of another UB with that

[coarse estuary]

i really wish the ghost form of oricorio wasnt locked to post game as there are so many runs of usum i do casually or nuzlocke where either i have to hack in a purple nector in a casaual run or just use one of the other 3 forms in a nuzlocke as there is no way to get a purple nector till post game

[unkempt egret]

same yea

gen 9 at least lets you buy all four whenever you want but sadly not gen 7

[coarse estuary]

like i understand the whole 1 nector type per island but i dont understand how only the purple nector is in a post game spot and there is no place on poni island before post game to encounter a wild ghost one

[brisk hedge]

I am now a member of the most villainous evil team in all of Pokémon

[unkempt egret]

the ranger school no less

[brisk hedge]

Should you really be saying this right in front of his face?

[jolly pumice]

||https://x.com/NintendoAmerica/status/1904896350853960065 i didnt think nintendo had the nuts to do 3 directs back to back like this. 3 directs in 2 months is crazy||

Nintendo of America (@NintendoAmerica) on X

Tune in tomorrow, March 27th, at 7 a.m. PT for a livestreamed #NintendoDirect, featuring around 30 minutes of upcoming games for Nintendo Switch. There will be no updates about Nintendo Switch 2 during this presentation.

Watch it here: https://t.co/sJFoxe0mq0

X · Mar 26, 2025, 2:00 PM

Its nintendo stuff

[brisk hedge]

||why are they announcing switch stuff when they just announced the switch 2?||

[coarse estuary]

||probs because there were some switch 1 games that were made before the switch 2 was revealed and its probs not for a year or 2 until the switch 2 releases||

[jolly pumice]

||i saw Soul make an interesting post. if ZA is shown in this direct, then it might be a Switch 1 exclusive. but yes what Looker said above. https://x.com/soulsilverart/status/1904941947929891202||

[radiant leaf]

||I though nintedo directs dont contain pokemon info cus of pokemon presents?||

[coarse estuary]

||its not likely but there has been times where pokemon info is in a nintendo direct||

[jolly pumice]

||might not even show pokemon LOL. but by the chance it does, might not be entirely good for ZAs performence... graphics wise. if it is on switch 1||

[unkempt egret]

||maybe we'll get a cool send-off like the 3DS had with wario ware gold, not sure||

[coarse estuary]

6th gym done in leg 6 of my genlocke. almost lost sprout 6

[nova beacon]

So... elite redux is fun

[coarse estuary]

who all is going to play pokemon evolved

[nova beacon]

Idk

[coarse estuary]

well its out now if yall wanna play it

[raven bison]

Wait really? I'm gonna check it out.

[brisk hedge]

That’s gym seven

[fleet path]

Trubbish is a cat

[pallid mauve]

yeah we can canon that into pokemon

trash cat

also...I don't have a problem, I can stop any time I want

[sturdy sparrow]

3 balls left in firered safari zone to catch a scyther get it on the last ball

[waxen grail]

would of been better to just grind the game corner but glad u got lucky

I did a LG playthru recently and got porygon as soon as I got to celadon...

[raven bison]

What is this romhack, that's funny 🤣

[sweet crypt]

Based on the fact that a big ol' pile of shit is blocking the way, I'm betting on Clover

Not just that but the text box has clovers on it

[raven bison]

Yea it was, I read the comment section. That's funny lol

[coarse estuary]

pokemon evolved final team

[unkempt egret]

I'm assuming evos of... ||primeape, snorlax (lickitung?), ??? (marowak? magmar?), venusaur, vaporeon, and golem?||

also me realizing I missed a lot of hacks when I was doing the trot last year between that, seaglass, and a third one I'm forgetting

[coarse estuary]

||you got 3 of 6 correct. my final team was the evos of venusaur vaporeon golem lickilicky hitmonchan and scizor||

[unkempt egret]

aaah I see

actually as a side note, sorry for a fandomy question but

are all of the eevee evos in there or just the 5 in gen 3

since I know the engine gets a bit strange if you try to put 8 evos in (which is why alte red doesn't have a leafeon form anymore, got replaced with sylveon's in 1.3 lol)

[coarse estuary]

from what i could tell only the base 3 kanto ones are in as there is no sun stone and moon couldnt be used on it

[sturdy sparrow]

easier but i earned it

[waxen grail]

its the safari zone. Theres an equal amount of luck involved if you play the slots like I did for Porygon xD

[smoky gyro]

Name a worse mon Ditto can transform into

Apparently you dont lose slow start even if I do lmao

[boreal storm]

They all looks so goofy

I luv it

[smoky gyro]

How tf

What

Im levitated

[sweet crypt]

Wrong way around

You aren't immune to sleep, but they are

Oh you mean the Earthquake?

It says right there

Mold Breaker

[smoky gyro]

Oh right

I forgot that ability existed its so niche

[sleek jewel]

The fight the the century

[sleek jewel]

WHAT I TRIES TO DOWNLOAD THIS BUT IT SAID ITS STILL IN THE MAKING HOW

TELL ME YOUR SECRETS

[raven bison]

https://tenor.com/view/charizard-mega-megacharizardx-pokemon-gif-4536253

[brisk hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/leonardo-dicaprio-absolutely-fucking-not-absolutely-not-leo-dicaprio-gif-9364097

Also, never trust the leaks

[raven bison]

Game freak confirm not to add mega weavile

[brisk hedge]

Weavile’s line already got both a new evolution and a regional variant, I’m fine with that

[untold hill]

But we need more charizards ngl

A charizard which doesn’t look like a charizard would be fire

[brisk hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/no-the-office-michael-scott-scream-gif-16929305

[umbral egret]

Team for Scrambled Scarlet, about to Tackle Larry

[unkempt egret]

nice nice

nice pulls from my first 10k pack pop on the new pack

[civic grove]

Neat! My gf pulled the rare full art of ||Team Rocket Grunt|| xD But the pokeball is cool too ngl

[raven bison]

Any recommendation for fangame? I was looking for fangame with pokémon that can roam around in the world like pokémon slowpoke shack. It's feel worth it catching them knowing the pokémon is roaming around & not encounter by going to a tall grass.

[hard plume]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OqoRxXUjGA
more pokemon za content

[vital flare]

Not a pokemon direct so unlikely

[covert fiber]

Nintendo did this btw

Feel free to examine this image for something strange

[hard plume]

Hm... this tournament says that you can have one wish granted....

[unkempt egret]

diggersby at work

[hard plume]

could whoever is running the tournament be holding a legendary pokemon hostage?

Who in luminose got that jirachi

[cold nymph]

I have no expectations other than another shoddy crap 3D Pokémon on the switch that gets rushed out the door for a holiday deadline.

Shit game that brakes sales records once again.

[unkempt egret]

pointless cynicism

[covert fiber]

28 confirmed megas it seems

[dusky basalt]

My pulls

[cold nymph]

Think what you want. Don’t come crying to me when it turns out to play exactly like the last 6 games on the system with only slight changes for presentation.

[unkempt egret]

I mean I'm not gonna be the one cryin since I don't mind it lol

[gilded mulch]

THE TRIO MONKEY POKEMON ARE BACK IN LEGENDS Z-A
now pay up, devs! I want the trio monkeys in infinite fusion!

https://tenor.com/view/simipour-pokemon-pokemon-memes-pokemon-cartoon-silly-gif-3194897366306585541

[cursive fossil]

just beat the e4 and the champion in a 4 way randomized soul link of hgss with some friends

the stars had to align for that victory

[gilded mulch]

I am so gonna main Simipour

[cursive fossil]

it was run 7

[unkempt egret]

oooh nice

that means that every pokemon is now usable on the switch since both holdouts (the monkies and furfrou) are in

now just to confirm more gen 1-3 mons that are stuck exclusively in BDSP postgame heck

[last egret]

There’s this new Pokémon theory that suggests Ditto could be a failed cloning attempt of Mew

Before you call me a troll just hear me out

They’re both pink, they’re both the only Pokémon that know transform as well

Ditto can only be found in the Pokémon mansion where Mewtwo was created

[vital flare]

Mew and ditto also share there shiny colour

[last egret]

I think this theory actually has some weight

Although it’ll never be confirmed I think this has an extremely solid foundation for a theory

[sweet crypt]

"New"

[supple creek]

[last egret]

Fine it’s a couple years old

[supple creek]

If we stretch the definition of "new" very generously, then yeah

[unkempt egret]

"is this theory that old?"
points remoraid*
"always has been"

[sweet crypt]

Also Ditto's RBY appearance isn't really much of any colour, and the GSC appearance is purple. As far as I can tell, Ditto has only been pink in Gen 3 and the anime, and anime lore is different from game lore so like

In general Ditto seemed to have been made purple, went to pink, then back to purple

[unkempt egret]

ditto's "bubblegum phase" of being

[sweet crypt]

Anyways as for how likely the theory is

I uhh

I dunno

More likely than 0% i guess but this theory isn't one I'm interested by

[brisk hedge]

Maybe 2%. Because the only thing they have is that they’re the same colour

[sweet crypt]

Either ways I do not care

I guess both learning transform is a point

And iirc it is via level up for Mew

And not some event like

V-Create Rayquaza

Speaking of Transform, do you think it has any limits in lore?

[brisk hedge]

Mew is the ancestor to all Pokémon, that’s why it can learn transform

[sweet crypt]

I mean, apart from not imitating the minds of a person based on the Gen 7 questline with Ditto

It seemingly only inherits abilities and appearance

By abilities I mean just physical and mental abilities in general

And not specifically Pokemon abilities

But this presumably has a limit, right?

Sure, in gameplay it could transform into Giratina

But gameplay scaling is invalid for uhh

Obvious reasons

When it comes to lore at least

[brisk hedge]

Imagine a Ditto transforming into a Slowpoke and taking several hours to transform back lol

[sweet crypt]

Well, based on the interactions with Ditto, it keeps its overall intelligence

[brisk hedge]

You said physical AND MENTAL abilities

[sweet crypt]

I meant more so the ability to use psychic powers

And not direct intelligence or thoughts or memories

We do know that it copies the genetics of Pokemon based on it being capable of breeding with any Pokemon capable of breeding

However, I think this is a good point for argument

Since it can't breed with a majority of legendaries and legendary adjacent Pokemon

Ultra Beasts likely because they are from completely different dimensions

Idk the explanation for Paradoxes, maybe it's just the gap in time?

With some Legendaries and Mythicals, they are likely incapable of breeding altogether

Others are known to be species (Eon twins, Kubfu line, Heatran etc), yet Ditto can't copy their genetics well enough to breed with them regardless

So there's evidently something special about these species apart from just rarity that sets them apart from your average rare Pokemon

Unless it's just a gameplay thing again which it probably is

But I think it'd be reasonable to assume that Ditto's copying abilities in lore would hardstop at the Box Art level legendaries

With the possible exceptions of Koraidon and Miraidon

And the definite exception of Suicune, bud thinks they're part of the team

I think those would be where Ditto would stop without any argument

And you could argue it stops earlier

Legendaries that scale equal to the box arts in lore like the Lake Guardians would also be included in this list

[smoky gyro]

I feel like pokemon should add a clause that says "if youre burned then you acquire a fire typing, you no longer take burn chip and your phys atk isnt halved"

Same for para and poison

Freeze maybe

[brisk hedge]

That's such a niche situation though

[smoky gyro]

With tera being a thing not really

[brisk hedge]

Especially once terra is no longer a thing

[smoky gyro]

Although it would make corrosion kinda useless

Give it pick up but stronger

[brisk hedge]

Are there any instances in the trailer of the mega evolution symbol not being there?

[smoky gyro]

Im gonna mega my diggersby just for stronger pick up

I wont lie, I actually really like the concept of tera

Even tho its very bs for competitive

[main rune]

Hey guys, remember to SPOILER anything from the new direct in case other people haven’t had a chance to watch it!

?tag rule9

[ebon pond]

Make sure to follow the #rules!

Rule 9 DISALLOWED CONTENT: Spoilers. Any information about upcoming Pokémon games (including sprites, art, memes, etc that reference new Pokémon or character designs) must be hidden under a spoiler, unless posted in the specific channel for that game. Leaks must always be spoiled, even in the game's channel. This applies to Shows, Games, Films, Anime and anything else that has a plot or cool thing to be spoiled.

[eager wren]

oh yeah forgot lemme delete it

[hard plume]

don't knock it until you try it, bud

[cold nymph]

I did try the switch games

[hard plume]

also it's a legends game

[cold nymph]

Hated every single one

Even Legends

Its like taking a step foward then taking 2 steps back, Also the 1 step you took was with your off foot so you stumble around constantly

every good thing gives more bad

[hard plume]

waitaminute six?
lemme count...
Pokemon Lets Go, Pokemon Sword and Shield, Pokemon Legends Arceus, Pokemon Scarlet and Violet, Pokemon BDSP bro that's five games not six

[cold nymph]

its not worth my time or my money

[hard plume]

You're saying that Pokemon Snap plays like the other main/pseudo-main games??

[cold nymph]

dose that even matter at this point?

5 games and not one I could say pushed boundries, improved on the mechanics anymore than just slightly increesing number count

[brisk hedge]

NEW Pokémon snap excuse you

[cold nymph]

even going Open World

[hard plume]

sorry 'bout that

[cold nymph]

and its a fucking disapointment so much that Nintendo had to start giving out refunds for it

to any company that is a MASSIVE Red Flag

[hard plume]

improved on mechanics? BRUH Scarlet and Violet took out the middle man for nicknames, move remembering and move forgetting
I say that's an improvement

[cold nymph]

but its pokemon so its fine

[brisk hedge]

Proof?

[hard plume]

yeah. because it was buggy on the first day.
That got patched later

[cold nymph]

https://www.dexerto.com/pokemon/nintendo-is-actually-issuing-refunds-for-pokemon-scarlet-violet-1992543/

[hard plume]

sir needs to learn how to post citations along with his evidence

[cold nymph]

simple google search

[hard plume]

https://www.dexerto.com/pokemon/nintendo-is-actually-issuing-refunds-for-pokemon-scarlet-violet-1992543/
I found it faster than him

again, the bugs got patched.

Also, also, nintendo's not the only one that has this problem.
LOTS of big name game studios had thrown out shoddily made products that had to get patched to high heaven

this ain't a big revelation, chief

[gilded mulch]

Lemme guess
EA games and Ubisoft have issues too?

[brisk hedge]

Seeing how the release date for Z-A still hasn't been announced, it seems like they've learned from that

[hard plume]

....also Pokemon Legends Z-A was in the cooker for a little bit so I think we shouldn't be having these problems

[brisk hedge]

Of course, can't know for sure until the game comes out

[gilded mulch]

Imma main Simipour!!!

https://tenor.com/view/simipour-cheer-pokemon-panpour-dialand-gif-9989926600891786611

[brisk hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/go-you-annie-murphy-alexis-alexis-rose-schitts-creek-gif-20805077

[hard plume]

like i always say...

[hard plume]

nothing wrong with that tbh
main whoever you want
nothing is stopping you from achieving your dreams

[gilded mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/simipour-pokemon-pokemon-memes-pokemon-cartoon-silly-gif-3194897366306585541

[hard plume]

my little sister mains wooper and that hasn't stopped her yet

[gilded mulch]

Now......
Imma wait for Pokemon Infinite Fusion to add Simipour

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-waiting-spongebob-squarepants-spongebob-spongebob-squarepants-waiting-spongebob-mailman-gif-12720834095858681780

[hard plume]

along with the rest of the monkes

[gilded mulch]

Yup

[hard plume]

Those guys do have a lot of good fusion potential

[gilded mulch]

Omg imagine triple fusion of them including triple fusion of tyrogue evos

[hard plume]

Simipour would work really well when fused with alolan muk or something that represents psychadalia

[hard plume]

a little complex but we'll see where this goes

[brisk hedge]

The monkeys get way more hate then they deserve

[gilded mulch]

;-;

[hard plume]

yeah I don't mind le monkes

fun theme

plus you get a dude that helps fight off one of your rival's starters so win win

two starter bros

[main rune]

Even frog hates them

[vital flare]

funnyly did a friendlocke with a group of mostly strangers and my krokodile self had a egg with a simsage

because our dear player didnt know the two shared a egg group and put us in daycare XD

[hard plume]

Man Big Robertsons is taking a long while to cook up a sick response

I'll hype ya'll up while he writes

[gilded mulch]

I wanna fuse Simipour with Gardevoir

Pretty monkey girl in dress ^^

[vital flare]

i still laugh at this because thats the closest to my parents getting a grandkid throught me

[sweet crypt]

Big Robertsons cooking a 5 star meal only to get screwed over by Discord's text limits, forcing them to awkwardly split the essay in an inconvenient place

[brisk hedge]

Me with my Charizard rant

[hard plume]

i think I remember that

been a while

[sweet crypt]

Thankfully I like to type my rants in like 50 million smaller messages instead of one big one

[hard plume]

oh my god you weren't kidding
these are like frickin' essays

they might not be "loud house fan fic" long, but still... damn

[sweet crypt]

I did type like a massive essay on why FEAR is overrated as heck once

[vital flare]

eugh i hate when i cant get townmap on the first 20 in pokerouge i also need shinys and a absol

[sweet crypt]

Since I was starting to get tired of all the 50 million memes about Rattata beating Giratina and Arceus, not even understanding what makes FEAR work

[brisk hedge]

I have that essay saved in my personal discord server

[sweet crypt]

Can't wait to Endeavor a Ghost type and Quick Attack quite possibly the most famous user of Extreme Speed

[brisk hedge]

And quick attack a ghost type for that matter

[hard plume]

oh man he's really cooking this one

he is meticulously placing his words in the right places

[main rune]

Gets ready to nuke it as soon as it’s posted

[sweet crypt]

Lavos is that you?

[main rune]

(I promise I’m joking, please I wanna see what the book is)

[vital flare]

what is luck even for?!

[sweet crypt]

Supposedly the item luck

However it is fraud

So don't rely on it

[hard plume]

dude I'm just waiting for him to finally post it so we can humor what opinion he has in store
I got popcorn at the ready

[vital flare]

fair

[hard plume]

damn
then what was the point of all of it

[vital flare]

tought that explains why i tend to get town map or other goodies faster

[hard plume]

oh nvm

man it's been a while since I played that game

[sweet crypt]

It does improve luck but not by enough to massively change anything from my experience

[vital flare]

if nothing else lot of rare candys

[sweet crypt]

You can still get dogshit luck at SSS

And can still get amazing luck at D

It isn't particularly rare

In either case

[hard plume]

snickers

"D"

[vital flare]

is that even possible? also my shinys are a woolo a lechonk and a cherubi

[hard plume]

sorry. I'm so immature

[main rune]

[sweet crypt]

D is the minimum if you have 0 shinies

A lot of my luckiest item luck runs have been at low luck

[main rune]

?tag rule2

[ebon pond]

Make sure to follow the #rules!

Rule 2 DISALLOWED CONTENT: Nudity/Sex/Anything NSFW. This shouldn't really need to be said, since this is a server dedicated to Pokémon, but here we are. This means no pornography or anything of the like. No NSFW names/avatars, no NSFW conversations, no suggestive emotes, no sexualizing Pokémon or other people, and absolutely no mentions of anything horny whatsoever, even as a joke.

[vital flare]

i meant the sss

[sweet crypt]

Which goes to show how much it just does not matter

[sweet crypt]

SSS is the max, but you don't need a full team of red shinies for it iirc

[hard plume]

I 100% deserve that bonk

[sweet crypt]

You definitely need close though

[vital flare]

with my shiny luck and the rate of surviving above 100 thats not happening

[main rune]

I’d laugh if all this typing was a single ten word sentence

[vital flare]

the one time i had a shiny charm it was entirely useless

[sweet crypt]

Overall I would worry more about how possible the run is before throwing on stuff like Pickup, Honey Gather and Shinies

[unkempt egret]

yea I remember mine mostly came from either shiny boost events or cheesing late into endless

[vital flare]

my eevee (that i have almost always XD) has pickup

[brisk hedge]

If it's not posted by the time I have class, I'm going to be mad

[last egret]

Ok I admit it the ditto is a failed Mew clone is a couple years old. It started circulating around the internet when covid hit

[sweet crypt]

Once you reach Pokerogue's mid game Classic is not very challenging anymore

[main rune]

Pffffft

[sweet crypt]

So look forwards to reaching that point

[main rune]

That’s been a fan theory since 1998

[vital flare]

witch is?

[last egret]

Ain’t no way the theory is over 25 years old. Stop that

[main rune]

It is

It literally is

[vital flare]

i think my current record is 118

[brisk hedge]

(a stupid fan theory (like most fan theories))

[sweet crypt]

(Mid game here referring to like, beating Classic and getting a good number of starters via hatching)

[main rune]

Ditto being a failed clone? I don’t think it’s that stupid

[sweet crypt]

I wouldn't feel confident in the exact starter % for midgame

[last egret]

When I think of old theories I think of the Dead Raticate theory

[sweet crypt]

But I'd say around 30-50 feels about right

[last egret]

The dead raticate theory has been circulating the internet since 2015

[vital flare]

i hate finn with evry fiber in my body -_-

[brisk hedge]

They'd have to fail the experiment the exact same way thousands if not millions of times

[sweet crypt]

Tbh on second thought

Maybe you could raise that to like, 70%

[last egret]

I have a theory that Silver is Giovanni’s child

[sweet crypt]

The last few starters are a lot harder to get

[main rune]

Yea, these were theories when I was playing FRLG, 20 years ago bud

[sweet crypt]

Stuff like evos of babies (I HATE FRIENDSHIP EVOLUTIONS) and legendaries

[main rune]

The ditto and raticate started circulating in Japan shortly after release

[brisk hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/now-old-man-the-future-is-now-old-man-gif-9677657

[main rune]

The fact that I remember reading these theories over 20 years ago terrifies me

I’m old

[last egret]

I’ve been on a YouTube binge of obscure Pokémon theories. I just saw a video about a theory that N is a Zoroark.

That theory is almost 10 years old tho

[brisk hedge]

That sounds more reasonable (timeline wise)

[main rune]

Yee

[sweet crypt]

The "N is a Zoroark" theory is anything but obscure I see that theory the most out of any nowadays

[brisk hedge]

The theory is still absolute Tauros Mulch

[main rune]

Someone made a N is Wally theory and that one makes no sense

[coarse estuary]

the only theory i have right now is bruxish will be an mvp on my usum leg of the genlocke once i get there

[sweet crypt]

I can see that, Bruxish's stats aren't too bad

[last egret]

Another pretty crazy theory I saw that’s pretty obscure is the Ash Ketchum Ho-oh theory.

The theory says whoever sees Ho-oh will be granted eternal happiness. Which explains why Ash stays 10 forever

And Ho-oh was seen at the beginning of his journey in the anime

[coarse estuary]

will say though the one tough part bout that is actually being able to encounter it can catch it

[cold nymph]

Ill wait till there is a good time to post it. Cus its something I should speek about but do not wish to interupt conversations with it.

[sweet crypt]

Pretty similar to Basculin's stats, but with more bulk, less speed and a secondary typing

They also both have a pretty good set of abilities

[main rune]

Nah, we’ve been waiting lmao

[coarse estuary]

i love using the tooths fish its a shame everyone clowns on it though

[cold nymph]

see thats what I mean

[sweet crypt]

Bruxish also probably has a better movepool

[brisk hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/everyone-shut-up-shut-the-fuck-up-stfu-quiet-calm-down-gif-13251480

[sweet crypt]

Both fish have been lower tier terrors before

[cold nymph]

whats the point in posting now when all that will be gained form the information being shared is total ignoring of the topic to poke fun at "Haha bro wrote an essay"

[coarse estuary]

ive never actually gotten one in a nuzlocke before because its either my run dies before i get to its locaiton or its not my encounter

[coarse estuary]

nobody here will do that unless they are an ass just post it man you are way over thinking it

[last egret]

I have a theory that @main rune is secretly an anime fan

[main rune]

The pokemon anime?

That’s not a secret

I love the anime

[last egret]

Anime in general

[main rune]

Eh, I enjoy it. I prefer old 90s and early 2000s anime tho

[brisk hedge]

What about One Piece?

the best anime

[main rune]

I watched a couple episodes early on but have yet to watch the entire series

[last egret]

Wanna know what’s weird tho, the anime could be so much better than it is. Look at Pokémon Origins or Pokémon Generations…why the hell do they look so good, while the main anime doesn’t

[cold nymph]

Sabrina_The_Witch on how Patching Games to make up for unishied launches.

What is the point of buying a full priced game when more than half of the entire game is not even inside the game you have to download it, Your paying full price for half of the game. Trying to find a way to excuse the "Day One Patch" Or "Bug Fixes" dose not and should not excuse the horrible state these games were being sold at. Its absolutely horrible that this is what companies especially Pokemon thinks is ok to do.

And what is worse is for those who buy physical. Since they aren't updated you need to do that on your switch what may I ask would happen if lets say They didn't also pay online, they don't have the ability to afford home internet, Nintendo shuts down Online Connectivity for the switch, Or the data is so large because it is half the game that they can store all that extra data on there switch?

They simply aren't allowed to play the whole game or experience the game in nothing more than a broken unfinished mess that they had to pay full price on. Its like if I made a burger stand that sold burgers that I didn't cook to people and the people yell "Hey my burger is raw!" and they still pay me full price.

True I will give them credit that they did go out of there way to improve optimization of the games, fixing mistakes, bug fixes and glitches and now the games are in a fully functional, fully finished game. However that is the problem its Too Little Too Late. All it truly is was just a way of damage control. Companies know that there games will be unfinished, they know they will be broken messes, the know that people will complain on it. But they got your money and that is all that matters to them. Ship out a day 1 patch and a few skins as DLC. Making people say "Well you cant be upset cus they patched the game, its patched now, we should be happy that they put in the effort to finish the game."

We shouldn't keep giving companies this green light to continue this borderline scam system. I am not paying you full price of my hard earned money for a down payment on a game you didn't want to put the effort in to selling it fully functioning and finished cus all you wanted to do was have something out for a holiday deadline.

[last egret]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-elesa-i-choose-you-cute-kawaii-gif-13637457

Why can’t we get animations like this in the main anime

https://tenor.com/view/deoxys-space-pokémon-deoxys-gif-26249920

[main rune]

Oh this 100%

The unfinished slop that AAA game studios can get away with releasing instead of just delaying it to finish is absolutely not okay

[last egret]

The tehnology is certainly there I just think the anime creators are just lazy that they won’t make anything that looks as good as this

[coarse estuary]

yeah id much wrather less frequent completed releases vs more frequent unfinished releases

[last egret]

Play assassins creed shadows

It’s a really good game that’s AAA

[brisk hedge]

Haha bro wrote an essay /j

[cold nymph]

I can bet you 1 Million fucking dollars Legends ZA will be out right before Christmas or November

effectively 8 months to get an ENTIER open world game built

that is physiclly impossible

[main rune]

There are plenty of AAA games that don’t have this issue and there are plenty that do but get patched. The thing here is that on launch day, a lot of games are unfinished

[last egret]

Well duh that’s what late 2025 means

[cold nymph]

with a cast of over 1000+ pokemon to program in

[last egret]

Late 2025 means just in time for the holiday season

[cold nymph]

and rising

[main rune]

Ehhh but they started working on it long before the trailers

[last egret]

So every kid will ask their parents for Legends ZA for Christmas

[cold nymph]

That is what I mean

[main rune]

It’s a lot more than 8 months of development

[cold nymph]

its all rushed out for a fatter paycheck

[last egret]

Name one AAA game that launched incomplete or as a buggy mess

[cold nymph]

cus its the holidays

[main rune]

Scarlet Violet

[last egret]

Just saying AAA launch complete they just add like a DLC or maybe a battle pass after launch as bonus content

[main rune]

They don’t

[brisk hedge]

You realize they announced that more then a year ago, right? And they've probably had it in development long before that

[coarse estuary]

ah yes because every game ever released durring the holidaus has been rushed slop

[last egret]

Most AAA games have hundreds even thousands of people working on it. Surely on a scale that large they can at least push out a functional game

[main rune]

ZA was first announced and already in development February of 2024, it’s probably gonna be closer to two years of development when it releases

[cold nymph]

When was the last time anything ANYTHING from NES - WII needed to stop you from playing the game to download a bug fix or content they didnt include on launch???

[main rune]

They can but they don’t. That’s the issue here

[cold nymph]

that is still way way way wayyyyy too little time for an entier open world game to be made

just look at the time it took for BOTW to be made since its first trailer

[main rune]

Cyberpunk 2077 was almost completely unplayable on launch day because they rushed it

[main rune]

But ZA isn’t going to be anywhere near the size of BOTW

[cold nymph]

and it came out and flipped everyones shit

[main rune]

Arceus wasn’t even as big as BOTW

[last egret]

GTA 5 and Red Dead Redemption 2 are some of the two biggest games of all time and generally speaking they were all launched as pretty complete experiences that weren’t that buggy either

[cold nymph]

and why should we not ask for quality like that???

[coarse estuary]

all ill say is people need to stop saying just because a game releases during the holidays it automatically makes the game rushed slop. there are plenty games that have come out durring many holiday periods that were not rushed slop

[main rune]

RD2 on launch was a buggy mess too, wym

[cold nymph]

or in fact DEMANDING IT form the biggest company in the world???

[main rune]

It’s not about quality for that comparison, it’s the SIZE of the game

BOTW has a much larger world than Arceus did

[cold nymph]

When they constantly seek to try and go beyond the limmits of there previous installments

[main rune]

And required so much more optimization because it didn’t have traditional loading in between zones

[cold nymph]

only to then ship out slop

[last egret]

Tears of the Kingdom is another example of a big game that was a full experience at launch and was not very buggy. Pretty decently optimized too

[brisk hedge]

Not every game needs to be the next BOTW. As long as it's fun (and actually works properly) that's what matters most

[main rune]

Yes, BOTW and TOTK are exceptions which I did say not all games

[last egret]

Sure there may be one or two rushed AAA games but the vast majority of them are complete and satisfying experiences

[main rune]

There’s a lot more than that that we’ve already listed here

[coarse estuary]

this 100% i hate when people are like x game sucks because its not like x other game. people need to enjoy the game for what it was made to be not because it wasnt like some other game that was made to be something else

[last egret]

The only big budget game u can claim was buggy and a mess at launch was maybe Cyberpunk 2077. You can claim No Man’s Sky too MAYBE

[main rune]

Swsh was a buggy mess on launch, scarlet and violet was so much worse

[sweet crypt]

Ah, sweet, drama. Time to get popcorn

[brisk hedge]

SWSH was buggy?

[last egret]

It was more like the switch was a weak console and couldn’t handle S/V

[sweet crypt]

... Actually, given what time it currently is for me, I probably should go sleep soon

[main rune]

A little, mainly performance dips on older systems

[last egret]

Nintendo Switch is less powerful than the PS4 (that came out over 10 years ago)

So yes it will struggle to run new games

[main rune]

But it’s an exclusive to that console, that’s not really an excuse

[coarse estuary]

naw stay up and listen to the people complain that game is bad because its not like this other game that is completely different

[sweet crypt]

Usually I'd join in on arguing for fun but I'm quite tired rn so instead I'm just gonna spectate

[brisk hedge]

I remember it being laggy when you connected to the internet and I remember a glitch with the new shiny hunting method, but that's about it

[last egret]

Nobody hates Pokémon games more than Pokémon fans

[main rune]

Yea, it was mainly just performance dips but they got fixed quickly

[sweet crypt]

All I'm gonna say in this argument is that this is 100% true

[cold nymph]

Its not a matter of optimizaion its a matter of why arent we demanding more form the company?

[last egret]

99% of Pokémon game haters also are self proclaimed Pokémon fans.

How the hell can you be a fan of something you dislike?

[main rune]

I never once said I hated the games. I absolutely adore them. But I can recognize that on launch day, they were buggy as hell

[sweet crypt]

Whether or not Pokemon games are good or bad, that is undoubtedly true. The people who complain about Pokemon games the most are Pokemon fans

[cold nymph]

But its pokemon should never be an excuse for what were being sold as

[main rune]

I got SV and played day one and had half a dozen crashes on my OLED

[sweet crypt]

To be fair, a lot of games have their biggest complaints be from their fans

They're the ones who know the game best after all

[brisk hedge]

Honestly, most of the switch games (excluding LA) have been disappointing at best

[sweet crypt]

Heck, look at the Soulsborne franchise

[last egret]

“I love Pokémon”
“Man Pokémon games suck”

Man what??

[main rune]

Literally nobody here said they sucked

[sweet crypt]

From anyone who played their games like once or twice, they'll see it as masterpieces

[last egret]

I hate Twilight movies. Guess what…never became part of that fanbase cuz I don’t like what they made

[sweet crypt]

But dear lord I have seen the fans hate on those games so damn much

[last egret]

You should see what people say on Reddit and YouTube

[main rune]

I mean, yea that’s Reddit and YouTube lmao

[cold nymph]

you can still love something but hate how its turning out

[sweet crypt]

Ofc, overall they like the game, it's just a lot easier to complain than to praise when you're so familiar with the game

[main rune]

YouTube streamers literally hate for views

[brisk hedge]

Let's Go sucks

[main rune]

I loved let’s go

[last egret]

I hate eating Broccoli. Why the hell would I become a broccoli fan

[main rune]

That’s not really a fair comparison

[cold nymph]

I hate windows but I still have to use them cus its the only system I know how to use and can handle what I do

[sweet crypt]

Youtube somehow manages to have the most rancid fans of any singular fanbase, including Pokemon

It's impressive almost

[last egret]

We have a term for people who don’t like new Pokémon games. They’re known as “Genwunners”

[cold nymph]

I dont support windows actions to shut down windows 10

I fucking loath the state of YouTube is but its still the only way to watch what I want to watch

[coarse estuary]

a fairer comparison is like how is this thing that was so good in the past turned into lazy slop instead of keeping the loving care they had in the past. starwars being an example of that

[main rune]

Yea, and if we’re being completely honest, people who are displeased are going to be 10x louder than those who are

[cold nymph]

Same thing for Pokemo

[main rune]

That’s true in everything in life

[sweet crypt]

To be honest, not really. Most of the people I see complain so much about the new games nowadays are Gen 4 fans in some way, whether it's DPP or HGSS

[last egret]

Nintendo and Gamefreak don’t really care. If they make a lot of money, their bottom line is fine

[sweet crypt]

And by DPP I mean Platinum

[main rune]

That’s the problem people are having

[sweet crypt]

Because I have not seen a single person say they liked Diamond or Pearl

[main rune]

I did

[brisk hedge]

Genwunners are people who think that Gen one was the best (it's not)

[sweet crypt]

That's 1

[main rune]

Until I played platinum lmao

[sweet crypt]

Nevermind that's 0

[coarse estuary]

you have to remember fishy is the type of person who claims you are blinded by nostalgia if you say bdsp is bad

[main rune]

[last egret]

Sure they’ll always SAY they put quality and what fans want first…but what you actually release is a reflection of your actual values

[brisk hedge]

That's because of BDSP

[main rune]

We’ve come full circle. This is what we’ve been saying this entire time.

[cold nymph]

Gen 4 and 5 were some of the greatest games ever made by Nintendo.

There will be nothing more packed with quality then those gens

Nothing of the games onward reached that bar and went beyond it

[last egret]

I think BDSP is good. It allowed Gen Z and Gen Alpha to experience Sinnoh for the first time

So I respect what they did with that

[main rune]

I love BSDP but I hate that they didn’t use the platinum dex

[cold nymph]

you know what works better
JUST FUCKING PORT THE ORIGNALS

[brisk hedge]

It has other issues

[main rune]

That’s basically what they did

[last egret]

Nintendo is dumb for not doing that. They can legit just rerelease an old game and make tons of money

[coarse estuary]

idk i thought gen 7 was really good. maybe not gens 4-5 quality but it was darn close

[cold nymph]

DONT MAKE A SHITTY REMAKE THE REMOVES SOME OF THE BEST FEATURE THEY HAD FOR SHIT REPLACEMENTS

[sweet crypt]

BDSP is pretty much DP but with new visuals from what I've heard everyone say

Well apart from the Elite 4 being buffed a lot

[main rune]

Alright, calm down. Take it down a notch

[sweet crypt]

Life Orb Magic Guard Alakazam I can't

[main rune]

I’m aware, but that was my biggest bitch

[brisk hedge]

@main rune for reference
https://youtu.be/5x9aX1pG_3c?si=pxTcPLvSEBPkYXbu

[main rune]

Ah yes, this won’t be biased

[last egret]

BDSP haters be like: “Man I hate this remake…all they did is remake the game”

That’s the point

What the hell did you expect from a REMAKE

They advertised it as a remake not a remix

[brisk hedge]

I think Let's Go is worse TBF

[cold nymph]

Also this. This is true for almost Every game pokemon did for the switch era of games

[sweet crypt]

Probably something like ORAS

[brisk hedge]

Please watch the video I just posted

[sweet crypt]

ORAS changes RSE quite a bit

[main rune]

FRLG is a remake of RB and it doesn’t have the same problems

[last egret]

Like how they massacred Mauville city

[main rune]

Same with HGSS

[cold nymph]

If you dont have the internet or data on you switch you were shit outta luck

[brisk hedge]

And FRLG, to a lesser extent

[coarse estuary]

well you sure know a lot about remakes because you are a living breathing exmaple of a parents mistakes being remade as a human

[last egret]

Explain why people don’t like BDSP other than maybe they are turned off by the Chibi art style

[brisk hedge]

?tag rule17

[ebon pond]

Rule 17 CODE OF CONDUCT: Be nice. Not just in this server, either, this is a good rule for life in general. Assume the best intentions of those you speak to, apologise if you hurt them, and allow them to apologise if they hurt you. Politeness and patience can stop a lot of unnecessary aggression.

[brisk hedge]

https://youtu.be/5x9aX1pG_3c?si=pxTcPLvSEBPkYXbu

[main rune]

Yea, that’s a bit uncalled for Looker

[last egret]

It’s damned if you do, damned if you don’t:

if you change a lot of things: OMG THEY DISRESPECTED THE SOURCE MATERIAL

if you change very little things:
OMG THEY DID NOTHING DIFFERENT

[sweet crypt]

Something something Goomba

[last egret]

Y’all will never be pleased

[waxen grail]

I need to get bdsp eventually for ribbons .w.

I don't like the artstyle but I've had time to dislike it

[main rune]

As I said prior, the people who are displeased are going to always be 10x louder than the people who aren’t

There will ALWAYS be people who aren’t happy

[cold nymph]

https://youtu.be/kQbEE_HYpJw?si=XKQxk-aIN7z62TGS

I recomened this video more he dicusses it much better in a way mechanically in game development rather than more opinionated

[last egret]

I used to work at a restaurant and there was a saying that the happiest customers were quiet cuz they were busy enjoying the food

[main rune]

Exactly

[coarse estuary]

last thing ill say before i walk away is ever since fishy showed up they have caused nothing but problems but if you call them out on it they get butt hurt until the person who called them out is told to knock it off but they dont get told to stop causing problems

[brisk hedge]

Also, another incentive to watch that video

[sweet crypt]

My discord is having a stroke wth

[main rune]

Fishy hasn’t insulted anybody, you have. That’s the line here.

[sweet crypt]

It force closed itself like 3 times in a row I had to restart it

[waxen grail]

did you update it?

[coarse estuary]

ah so its only a problem when i do it? got it. good to know

[last egret]

I may have the occasional hot take but I don’t insult people for thinking differently. That’s immature

[main rune]

They literally have not insulted anybody, looker.

[coarse estuary]

but they cause problems with no coniquences

[sweet crypt]

No, but given I'm on mobile, apps update themselves usually so like

Idk

[last egret]

If I said for example, Frogg has bad taste cuz she doesn’t like most AAA games…that would be insulting

[brisk hedge]

Yes, like the hot take that Gen 5 is good

[main rune]

They’re not causing problems, we’re having a friendly debate

[sweet crypt]

To be fair, that was a hot take a few years ago

[waxen grail]

ah mobile issue...dang :<

[sweet crypt]

Close enough

[last egret]

Gen 5 used to be controversial when it first dropped. But lately it’s been regarded as one of the better generations

[sweet crypt]

Anyways, I was gonna say

I don't really watch MandJTV videos anymore

[coarse estuary]

if you call a "friendly debate" just saying any aguement that goes against what you believe is wrong then all power to you. but im going to be done here for a while and step away to calm down.

[waxen grail]

I watch his stuff on occasion cuz he's a lil much

[sweet crypt]

I dunno some of his videos are uhh

[waxen grail]

iffy? lol

[sweet crypt]

A bit misinformation-y

[last egret]

Black and White got a lot of backlash for having a completely original Regional dex. Plus a lot of Pokémon like the elemental monkey, Garbador and Vanilluxe were criticized as ugly or unoriginal

At the time

[waxen grail]

it was "gen 1 but no creative mons"

[brisk hedge]

Can you give a specific example?

[main rune]

They have not insulted, they have not escalated the situation, and they have been calm. I would call that friendly

[waxen grail]

I've heard it all over the years

[sweet crypt]

Anyways my discord killed itself when I typed that so evidently it's a MandJTV fan

[sweet crypt]

Main thing I was thinking of was the video where he covered what he thought were the worst starters

[brazen field]

The Gen 5 dex is way better than the Gen 1 dex

[last egret]

My favorite plot twist in Gen 5 was ||at the end Ghetsis revealed he was the real villain the whole time||

The whole time we were told N was the leader of team plasma

[brazen field]

Fairly equal amounts of Pokemon of each type, and dark and steel exist

[sweet crypt]

I cant remember the exact placings but I do remember thinking that Hisuian Decidueye not being on the list when Hisuian Lilligant exists and is just completely better and obtained earlier is a bit silly

[last egret]

So that villain twist was mind blowing

[brazen field]

It’s Gen 1 done right

[waxen grail]

ddin't say it was my opinion. Just one of the first things I heard when gen 5 was out

[sweet crypt]

By a bit I mean a lot

[waxen grail]

I LOVED it

[brazen field]

Oh, sorry

[waxen grail]

I was a huge fan of the dream world 😭

[sweet crypt]

To be fair it's even more silly how completely Hilligant eclipses Hecidueye

What was Gamefreak cooking there

[waxen grail]

legs

[last egret]

Personally gen 5 is kinda hit or miss.

They have absolute bangers like Bisharp, Hydreigon, Volcarona, etc.

But they also have Pokémon I don’t really like, such as Watchog and Simisear

[main rune]

Gen 5 is funny to me because when it first released, everyone hated it

[waxen grail]

gen 5's biggest issue is the evolution levels

[sweet crypt]

Volcarona mentioned, opinion instantly validated

[main rune]

And now it’s one of the most beloved gens lmao

[waxen grail]

thats the cycle for ya

[brisk hedge]

I wouldn't call that misinformation, just a different opinion

[last egret]

Mostly cuz all the kids who grew up with gen 5 are now adults who look back at it more fondly

[sweet crypt]

Fair

[main rune]

I agree, 100%

[sweet crypt]

At the end of the day a lot of things come down to opinion

[brazen field]

Fair, but it’s absolutely an improvement over Gen 1, and I’m willing to cut some slack cause it’s gotta be hard to create 150 unique creatures all with interesting designs

[main rune]

Although I still haven’t played BW2

[waxen grail]

I grew up with gens 1 and 2 and I was a huge BW/BW2 fan

I ENJOYED having a whole new dex

[brazen field]

I grew up with Gens 6/7 and I’m in high school rn

[waxen grail]

I enjoyed the region

[last egret]

We’re starting to see the same with Gen 6. Gen 6 used to be mocked for being too easy, handhold-y, unoriginal, etc. now people are warming up to it

[brisk hedge]

He also stated in other videos that he doesn't think that your team in LA is as important since you don't NEED them to fight against the nobles

[main rune]

I think SwSh will meet that eventually too

[waxen grail]

Gen 6 will forever be known as the unfinished gen

[sweet crypt]

That said, i had a lot of an easier time in SV with Meows than Sceptile in ORAS

And the former was in the list yet not the latter

[vapid nimbus]

what is a good site to download viva las vegas?

[brisk hedge]

I disagree with that, since there are other trainers that you need to fight

[main rune]

Yet Kalos is getting a new game before Unova

[last egret]

This is a hot take but Diamond and Pearl were very rough games when they got released. Platinum bailed those games out

[sweet crypt]

With Sceptile being Michael's favourite Pokemon, that feels a bit biased lol

[waxen grail]

cuz we're finally getting the closer we needed back then 💀

[main rune]

I can agree with that. I’m biased towards diamond and pearl because it was the first Pokédex I ever finished

[waxen grail]

also the SV DLC counts as unova :>

[brisk hedge]

Ah yes, another take as hot as a Vanilluxe

[sweet crypt]

I think that's the standard opinion now

[brazen field]

I think game freak still isn’t entirely over the Gen 5 backlash, every game since has had a massive regional dex with tons of old Pokemon

[waxen grail]

https://tenor.com/view/gigi-murin-hololive-gif-16437123348530524695

[last egret]

People love the talk about how good the Sinnoh games were but honestly, platinum fixed the major issues with Diamond and Pearl. They were very messy and incomplete

[brisk hedge]

You can get Sceptile in SV?

[sweet crypt]

No as in, Sceptile in ORAS vs Meows in SV

But yes you can

[last egret]

As hot as Elesa?

[sweet crypt]

It's in Indigo Disk

[last egret]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-elesa-i-choose-you-cute-kawaii-gif-13637457

[brazen field]

Treeko is in the dlc

[waxen grail]

I currenly have Pearl version playing, so slow .w.

[sweet crypt]

Tbf Sceptile in RSE is probably a better example since it does have Mega in ORAS

[brisk hedge]

They're mostly talking about Platinum when they say that

[brazen field]

Sun and moon would be amazing if it wasn’t for all the god damn cutscenes

That’s a problem with every modern pokemon game, and it’s only been getting worse

[sweet crypt]

That said, the game fucking gives you a mega of an Eon Twin

[last egret]

I’m gonna say it…Johto is not a good region on its own.

The level curve is trash, it’s on the smaller side, half the gym leaders don’t even use Johto Pokémon, and it only got bailed out by the kanto postgame

[waxen grail]

I can replay USUM a lot but I can't do another SM playthru. SM feels like the bad ending

[brazen field]

It’s like 2 hours of tutorial in S/V before you get your bike/dog thing and can go explore the world

[sweet crypt]

This is probably like a lukewarm take, I wouldn't exactly call it a hot take but you definitely get a lot of flak saying it

[brisk hedge]

Imagine if a Pokémon game had a bad ending

[brazen field]

I want a let’s go johto that will fix the gym leaders and level curve

And wooper as a starter

Woopy boi my beloved

[waxen grail]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-gif-27177646

[brazen field]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pokémon-wooper-jump-around-the-world-gif-9105693827883556990

[sweet crypt]

If a Let's Go Johto game existed, I'd bet my money on Marill being one of the starters

As for the other

Uhh

[hexed moat]

Do you guys know any good emulators for emerald?

[sweet crypt]

Idk, Togepi?

[brazen field]

I feel like wooper has more fans than marill

And togepi

[sweet crypt]

Just start Marill as an Azurill and you're good

[brazen field]

Remember those fake leaks

Good times

[waxen grail]

god imagine having a baby pokemon starter

[brazen field]

Delta idk

[waxen grail]

that'd be so terrible

[sweet crypt]

True

But hey, they did buff Pikachu and Eevee's stats

They were still not good

[brazen field]

They gave it a one shot move that never misses and always crits and makes you dinner

[sweet crypt]

And probably more worth not using than using

But still

[next hornet]

So who's seen the ZA News

[brazen field]

Me

[waxen grail]

https://tenor.com/view/vtuber-virtual-youtuber-phase-connect-tenma-maemi-天満マエミ-gif-27140491

[brazen field]

It looks dope

[waxen grail]

I need to continue working on my shadow bayleef ribbon master

ribbon master with an asterisk*

cuz screw the wifi/multi battle ribbons

btw I will be upset if they don't display ribbons in ZA. In Arceus I can let it slide cuz time period

but this is modern day dang it!

[brisk hedge]

It'll be interesting to see what they do with ZA

[brazen field]

They better add new megas

[brisk hedge]

How different will it be to other main series games

[brisk hedge]

If they don't, we riot

[brazen field]

They haven’t shown any now, so I’m starting to doubt they ever will

[brisk hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/yoda-star-wars-gif-10940865116650073754

[waxen grail]

game doesn't have a set release date yet

calm down

[next hornet]

• 26

[brazen field]

https://tenor.com/view/peter-griffin-but-i-want-it-now-gif-26307521

[next hornet]

Not saying who though

[brazen field]

What does that mean?

[next hornet]

26 new mega

[brazen field]

That’s only a leak

[brisk hedge]

Don't trust the leaks

[brazen field]

It’s not confirmed

[brisk hedge]

Never trust the leakers

[waxen grail]

kids will ALWAYS trust the first leak they see

[next hornet]

Fair enough

[brisk hedge]

They are liars and frauds

[waxen grail]

kids? Yes

[brazen field]

They promised me let’s go wooper only to rip it away

[main rune]

I have returned

[next hornet]

I mean Zygarde mega leaked pretty sure that's real

During that whole beta pokemon thing

[brisk hedge]

And I am leaving

[main rune]

Make sure we’re putting leaks and newly announced things in a spoiler

[next hornet]

I just mentioned the old one nothing new

[waxen grail]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzDztyS09CU when leaks are mentioned

[main rune]

You’re good! I just noticed the topic is on ZA and wanna make sure people don’t get stuff spoiled if they haven’t seen it

-# it is rule 9 of the server #rules

[next hornet]

I haven't read the rules in a long time

[waxen grail]

I love when I have a reason to bust out the above video

[next hornet]

I use it for unnecessary details

[waxen grail]

which leaks are 😄

am I wrong?

[next hornet]

Not everyone thinks like that though but I get it

[waxen grail]

time for me to teach defog to my bird and go into the annoying route in Pearl

[hard plume]

And to quote Reggie: If it's not fun, why bother?

[hard plume]

I can answer that:
Unrealistic expectations

[hard plume]

Gen 4 had evolutions locked in post-game.

[main rune]

Only DP, platinum fixed that (thank god)

[hard plume]

That's good to hear at least

[main rune]

I just wish they used the platinum dex in the remakes

Only have one fire type option outside of the starter is criminal

And then having a fire type E4 member

[unkempt egret]

BDSP at least threw some fire types in the underground area but yea

[main rune]

Yea, there is that

I just feel like the platinum dex is 100x better than the DP dex

[unkempt egret]

there's also the honorary fire type of sinnoh, Blissey (with flamethrower)

[main rune]

I’m trying to remember what flint had

I think he had a steelix for some reason?

And he had lopunny

[unkempt egret]

and drifblim

[main rune]

Oh yea, drifblim

And then infernape and rapidash

[unkempt egret]

he's not the only offender but he is the most blatant

[main rune]

Oh yea, for sure

[unkempt egret]

especially after gen 5 got rid of both dupes and off-types

[main rune]

Drapion pretending to be bug type

[unkempt egret]

(incidentally plat still has an off-type with drapion lol)

[jolly pumice]

so just watched the direct, and im happy about a good few announcements but sad about 1 specific announcement...

[unkempt egret]

took us 5 more gens to get an actual bug/dark

[main rune]

True!

I do love drapion tho

[unkempt egret]

I like the design yea

[main rune]

But he was so hard to beat the first time going into the fight expecting only bugs

I was unprepared for something only weak to ground

[unkempt egret]

right

even worse in XY where one fight can snowball hard if you don't lead a ground type into it

at least aaron's doesn't have accurpressure

[main rune]

yea

[sweet crypt]

At least Drifblim has a signature ability that revolves around being burnt

[unkempt egret]

added after gen four but for BDSP, understandable

actually does he give it flare boost in BDSP?

legit wondering

[sweet crypt]

Damn, they really just looked at Drifblim on Flint's team and went "Wait we need to justify this somehow"

[main rune]

They could’ve just made him literally any other type specialist

[wispy osprey]

and it’s a hot air balloon, which use fire to inflate

[main rune]

But they could’ve just made the dex correctly and given him a magmortar (which was introduced in that gen)

Although I would’ve rather magmortar replaced steelix lmao

[gilded mulch]

I can see Panpour...
Hanging on a tree...
Waiting for me ;u;

[waxen grail]

https://tenor.com/view/hmmm-mmmm-monkey-turtle-kung-fu-panda-gif-17129341

[unkempt egret]

AI just dropped a single hitmonlee on the table and left to grab a drink

[urban heart]

slowpoke can learn fire blast

[last egret]

@sweet crypt ‘s favorite Pokémon game is ||Pokemon Sun/Moon||

[sweet crypt]

Nice guess, but no

[unkempt egret]

me on turn 18 just like

surprised it didn't give card of the game to the cinccino that actually broke through the healing

[humble cape]

whats the best pokemon game for my GBA?

[main rune]

Pokémon Pinball

[snow minnow]

Dude, I still remember pokemon pinball

Btw I like yer pfp

[main rune]

Thanks

The Ruby/Sapphire pinball is actually one of my favorite gba games, ngl lmao

[brisk hedge]

Nintendo please port Pokémon pinball to the switch. It looks so fun but I don’t own a GBA 😭

[main rune]

PLEASE

It is so fun

[brisk hedge]

Or even better: make a new one

[crystal topaz]

Made something for my friends, decided I should show it here, in white is every Pokemon who had at least one member of their evolution line appear in a trailer already, in black is what hasn’t been in any but can likely be assumed to be there.

[brisk hedge]

The fact that Charizard is the only Kanto starter to appear in a trailer so far disgusts me

[quasi dagger]

do we have any confirmations on new megas or have they all just been leaks?

the only thing i remember that mightve been true is mega chandelure and mega barbaracle

[tight ivy]

Y'know, I don't mean to defend GF, but I'm a little on the fence about video game leaks

[waxen grail]

iirc leaks aren't to be mentioned here

[hard plume]

oh that's evil.
smoosh your opponent then take a nap

points to this post:

[hard plume]

i didn't know computers could rage quit

[unkempt egret]

I mean the rest was pretty annoying since I lost a lot of 1/4 flips to wake up lol

since you can't even retreat while sleeping so you're basically just a sitting duck for that turn

[hard plume]

if snorlax had more hp, that card would be overpowered as balls

like, you got a pretty good flesh wall right there

[unkempt egret]

maybe? I think the main point of it is to use Barry to make the move cost 2 energy instead of 4

[hard plume]

oh that would work

[unkempt egret]

I was mostly using it for the "beat the deck using only colorless cards" mission lol

[gilded mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-aroma-smell-smelly-water-gif-7838279454104558609

[waxen grail]

https://youtu.be/XyhiLT1o1rc

[main rune]

?tag rule2

[ebon pond]

Make sure to follow the #rules!

Rule 2 DISALLOWED CONTENT: Nudity/Sex/Anything NSFW. This shouldn't really need to be said, since this is a server dedicated to Pokémon, but here we are. This means no pornography or anything of the like. No NSFW names/avatars, no NSFW conversations, no suggestive emotes, no sexualizing Pokémon or other people, and absolutely no mentions of anything horny whatsoever, even as a joke.

[sweet crypt]

Huh

Anyways

Guess what move Secret Sword - Thousand Waves is in English

(Yes, there's actually a move whose Japanese name translates to that)

[tulip sparrow]

Hi

[smoky gyro]

Fun fact for yall, zoroark doesnt transform to shields down

[simple oxide]

If I need to go to a midnight release to beat the scalpers, so be it

[gilded mulch]

if only I can get pokemon cards a shop near my home...

freaking scalpers I swear

[broken crater]

Now the real question