other-pokemon-games

[lone goblet]

but I was less online then lol

[sweet crypt]

Flame Orb Marvel Scale Milotic looks like it'd be a common strat, but really, people would rather use items like Leftovers, Rocky Helmet or HDB

[last egret]

I mean Black and White were controversial too and now people think gen 5 is arguably the best generation

[sweet crypt]

Though idk if the latter 2 exist in BDSP

Not a single bulky Pokemon likes burn chip

Even if in some ways it benefits from burn

[last egret]

If you used the internet in the early 2010’s, many people were not happy with Black and White

[sweet crypt]

There's also the fact that Cynthia is using Spiritomb

Spiritomb is just

Ass

There is no sugarcoating it

[lone goblet]

Spiritomb benefitted big-time from the element of surprise back in dppt time

[last egret]

And believe it or not, when X & Y released, it was considered a controversial game. Which is crazy cuz nowadays most people love X & Y

[sweet crypt]

Gastrodon without Recover

[lone goblet]

I know xy was controversial - I actually thought it still was

[sweet crypt]

Spikesless Roserade

[lone goblet]

she doesn't have a gastrodon in bdsp? Or am I misremembering

[unkempt egret]

she does still

[sweet crypt]

That btw has Expert Belt???

[unkempt egret]

I mean spikes is something you generally don't give the AI

[sweet crypt]

Yeah but point I'm making is

[unkempt egret]

see: steven's opening skarmory, especially in gen 3

[sweet crypt]

This is not exactly a smogon team

The biggest similarity are the EVs and IVs

[lone goblet]

yep! The point I was making is that it's somewhat like one :)

[sweet crypt]

And some Pokemon have not half bad sets

But a lot just

Suck lol

[lone goblet]

There's items, evs, ivs - and even if you don't agree with the exact choices, there's still thought and strategy behind Cynthia and the rest of the league that doesn't match the rest of the game

[unkempt egret]

I forget does the AI in BDSP use healing items or not

[sweet crypt]

That is true

It is still the most stacked Elite 4 and Champion out of any game

Though I still first tried it gg ez

[lone goblet]

anyway this is why pokemon should have difficulty options again 😔

[sweet crypt]

Not the hardest trainers even

Because Legends: Arceus exists

[lone goblet]

yeah but I wouldn't normally count pla bc the battle system is notably different

[sweet crypt]

Well that's why I would say it is the hardest

The battle system is different in a way that makes it harder

[lone goblet]

agreed LMAOOO but that's what I meant, it's changed and harder so I would normally just not count it

maybe when za comes out 😔 praying for a good pokemon day trailer

[sweet crypt]

I would say something about Gen 1 being a very different battle system compared to everything else

[lone goblet]

obviously this is personal preference, it is still a pokemon game :)

[sweet crypt]

But tbf the fundementals there are the same

Tbh even if the battle system was the same

I'd struggle comprehending how a trainer battle against someone with 2 omniboosted Giratinas and 8 Pokemon would not be the hardest

[lone goblet]

good point!

[lyric radish]

necrozma...

[wheat kite]

i wish there was a good primal pokemon game. like tribes and stuff. jungle, vodoo stuff

[last egret]

I’ve never met a person who prefers Poliwrath over Politoed

[whole jewel]

Poliwrath is the objectively better one. Politoed suffers from gen-2-itis

[unkempt egret]

politoed is hard carried by drizzle lol

poliwrath's nice though, especially in GO where prior to an update last year (that cut mud shot's energy generation) was great at blazing through rocket shields

[tight ivy]

What conversations have I missed?

[smoky siren]

how do i download pokemon to many types there like no videos on yt that tell u

[lusty iris]

Not the server for it

Go bother their people

[smoky siren]

im in there sever they got no chats for it also it says other pokemon games so yea

[smoky siren]

not very nice from teach support

[lusty iris]

Look I’m used to people rolling up to this burger king and asking for a Dave’s Single

[smoky siren]

very cool

[broken crater]

Yall

Who is the best ub

Not counting cosmog line and necrozma

[sweet crypt]

When I see best I think facts

And factually, that's between Naganadel and Pheromosa

I'm leaning towards Pheromosa since while neither are very good in Ubers, only one has competition with a Pokemon with the same type, far higher bulk, higher speed and higher damage output

As well as the same coverage options

[broken crater]

Youre talking about naganadel and eternatus right?

[sweet crypt]

Yup

Naganadel was pretty good for 1 generation

Then Eternatus appeared

Better damage, bulk and speed

Same coverage options

[broken crater]

I think its close between ub bc they all are good in one eay but bad in the other

[sweet crypt]

While Naganadel is arguably more offensively threatening due to Beast Boost boosting Speed per KO and Nasty Plot, that's assuming you get a Nasty Plot before dying

And Eternatus does have that Power Herb Meteor Beam set

It also leverages its bulk to be great defensively

With moves like Toxic, Tspikes and Recover

[broken crater]

Pheromosa has lack in defense and HP which makes her vulnerable but she makes up for it with high speed and atk stats

[sweet crypt]

I think if it wasn't for Eternatus, I'd say Naganadel is better than Pheromosa

[broken crater]

Thats how it works with most ub

[sweet crypt]

But the fact of the matter is, Naganadel is brutally outclassed

As for my favourite UBs

Buzzwole or Kartana

[broken crater]

I think its funny

theres 13 ub

iirc

and they decided from all the type combos they couldve given

to give 2 ub the same typing

[sweet crypt]

Hey, to be fair, they're counterparts

I know Celesteela and Kartana are also counterparts and have different typings and all

But they share 1 type

And honestly they could've had their types swapped without it making much less sense

Considering how one is a massive bamboo rocket

And the other is so light it is constantly floating

[broken crater]

Tho it makes sense bc paper

[sweet crypt]

It does make sense

Just that Flying also would make sense

Though really, what fucking physical Flying STAB is it using?

Aerial Ace?

Lmfao

Hey, it wins the 1v1 vs Buzzwole now with STAB Aerial Ace

... And yknow, the now being neutral Drain Punch thing

And Fighting as a whole

[smoky gyro]

What are yall talking about

[sweet crypt]

My brain is not worky today sorry

[sweet crypt]

UBs

[broken crater]

time to make an AG only UB team

[sweet crypt]

I'm currently talking about specifically how Celesteela and Kartana could realistically have their types swapped and still make sense

[broken crater]

What would I give to kartana

[sweet crypt]

Bro is asking to lose

[broken crater]

nah

[sweet crypt]

Also, NatDex AG is not a ladder anymore

You have Liepard to thank for that

[broken crater]

Ofc its a random fucking pokemon

[sweet crypt]

Liepard isn't broken in the sense that it's a free win

It's broken in the sense that it sends battles to the 1000 turn limit effortlessly

[broken crater]

Do you know why karrablast is banned from ubers

[smoky gyro]

A stall mon you say

[sweet crypt]

Unless you have a perfect counter

[sweet crypt]

I'm pretty sure it isn't

[broken crater]

oh laptop is laggin

[sweet crypt]

Unless I missed some crazy gamebreaking glitch

[sweet crypt]

That involves Karrablast

[sweet crypt]

Probably not in Gen 9

[broken crater]

Oh makes sense yeah

[sweet crypt]

Based off Kartana being illegal

[broken crater]

but what item we giving kartana

choice band?

perhaps life orb

[sweet crypt]

Suggestion: Play not NatDex Ubers

Because you are getting nowhere with a full UB team in Ubers

[broken crater]

its more about the fun for me

[sweet crypt]

Heck I doubt you're getting much success with a full UB team anywhere

It's like running a full Eeveelution team

No matter what tier you try, you're doomed

[broken crater]

As long as I am having fun with a team I enjoy its all good

[sweet crypt]

Anyways uhhh

I haven't used a Kartana in a while

I'm a Scarf Kartana believer

Z Move set could also be cool

[broken crater]

true

lets try

[smoky gyro]

Would going ice beam (95 BP, 100 Acc, 10% freeze) or frostbite (80BP, 95 Acc, 40% to +1 Sp Atk) be a better ice stab

Frostbite is a custom move btw

And yes they're both special

[sweet crypt]

How much do you like gambling

[smoky gyro]

Considering I shiny hunt for fun, I think a bit too much

I dont know how much 15 BP matters

[broken crater]

Ì won 1 battle

by intimidating my foe

guzzlord somehow swept his team

[smoky gyro]

Any nickname ideas for this lil bean?

[sweet crypt]

Why is bro using 0 Ubers in Ubers

What the low ladder

[unkempt egret]

late but Ms./Mr. Chilly

[lethal maple]

lore accurate

[brisk hedge]

How dare you use my own spells against me Potter

[vital bramble]

maybe they just know something i don't but I feel like most people I watch on youtube consistently undervalue the poison type

way more resistances than weaknesses, one of the few things that can hit fairy types, pretty decent movepool

I don't really know what's not to like

like the "can't hit steel" issue is like, something half the cast suffers from anyways

[uneven blaze]

normal/fighting cant hit ghost, ghost cant hit normal, ground cant hit flying/levitate electric cant hit ground

[vital bramble]

and the only one of those that are considered bad is normal

and even normal has fuckin ursaluna(s) now

poison/ground is interesting to me because theoretically it has nearly perfect coverage but it's incapable of touching a steel/flying type and skar/corviknight have been staples basically forever

[broken crater]

But its clodsire so they get a pass

[sweet crypt]

Poison type offensively is under average, but defensively it is undeniably good

Weakness to Ground sucks, but Psychic is ass so that weakness doesn't bother me too much

People won't run Psychic to deal damage, they'll run Psychic specifically for Poison

OU has a singular Psychic type and it's a defensive Poison type

And ngl, it being weak to Ghost and Dark may not be worth the newly found Psychic neutrality and Fighting quad resist

[quasi dagger]

doing my first nuzlocke on pokemon sapphire... any tips for beating norman's TWO 670 bst slakings😭 (other than leveling which im about to do)

[coarse estuary]

a move like dig or protect so you can avoid damage on the non truant turns

[quasi dagger]

i have a boxed machop so i can evolve it and throw dig on it but i dont think anyone can learn protect/detect by level up

no tm for detect and protect is in lilycove

[lusty iris]

Poison mons have a plague of bad movesets

Not all

but many

[sweet crypt]

I believe Anorith can learn Protect via level up, within the level cap too

[quasi dagger]

which fossil is anorith?

because i grabbed root and im hoping

[sweet crypt]

Claw Fossil

[quasi dagger]

shit

and it learns protect at exactly lvl 31 which is the cap

[sweet crypt]

Yeah so you can use Protect

Well, if you had picked Anorith

[quasi dagger]

well not anymore i grabbed the wrong fossil lol

i mean cradily and golbat can learn confuse ray which could be a little helpful🤷‍♀️

[sweet crypt]

Dustox learns it in time if you have one

[quasi dagger]

i killed my wurmple...

[sweet crypt]

So does Pelipper

[quasi dagger]

i killed my wingull im being so deadass

3 dead pokemon and 2 of them would be helpful

[sweet crypt]

Maybe try fishing for a Corphish?

Idk where you catch one

Idek if it's by fishing

[quasi dagger]

petalburg cit, routes 102 and 117

which i do not have an encounter for

[sweet crypt]

You apparently need the Good rod, in route 118

Part of route 118 needs Surf to get to

And I don't know if it's the part you can get a good rod in

[quasi dagger]

google says east part of 118 which is the part i have access to so im gonna go fishing

[sweet crypt]

Try to catch a Goldeen and Magikarp beforehand

So that you can use species clause

For Petalburg

[quasi dagger]

im doing 1 encouter per route and i already have magikarp

[sweet crypt]

Simply look for a route with Goldeen that you don't have an encounter in ig

Either that or go "Fuck it, we ball"

[quasi dagger]

theres one fisherman here

and hes not giving me the rod

[sweet crypt]

Rip

[quasi dagger]

so fuck it we ball strats are incoming

6 bulk ups from hariyama should work

its how i beat flannery lol

[sweet crypt]

Simply don't get crit ig

Wait doesn't he have a Psybeam Spinda?

As his lead?

[quasi dagger]

norman?

[sweet crypt]

Yup

Also I just checked

[quasi dagger]

am i being lied to?

[sweet crypt]

Not only does lead Spinda have Psybeam, but it also has Encore to lock you into Bulk Up

[sweet crypt]

That's Ruby and Sapphire Norman

[quasi dagger]

yeah

im on sapphire

[sweet crypt]

Oh mb

Gaslit myself into thinking you said Emerald lmfao

[quasi dagger]

i didnt want to lose my emerald file lol

[sweet crypt]

Slaking still has Yawn and Encore though

It could put Hariyama to sleep, or lock it into Bulk Up

And those Facades are gonna hurt a ton

[quasi dagger]

im just gonna level up machop and hariyama and hope

[sweet crypt]

You're probably gonna be eternally 1 crit away from losing

[quasi dagger]

105 base power facade with 160 atk stat will suck

[sweet crypt]

You may want to prepare some sacs

Look on the bright side!

None of them have a Sitrus Berry

Unlike Norman's 1 Emerald Slaking

[quasi dagger]

man i hate level caps

looking through my boxes, i am thinking about sacrificing whismur, slugma, numel, or wynaut

thoughts?

[sweet crypt]

You do know level caps are an additional rule right

[quasi dagger]

yeah

[sweet crypt]

If you don't want to play with level caps, you can just... don't

[quasi dagger]

i like putting myself through pain

[sweet crypt]

It won't invalidate the nuzlocke

[quasi dagger]

making this hard for myself

[sweet crypt]

The only 100% rules I've seen for Nuzlockes are 1 Pokemon per area, fainting=death and forced nicknames

Then there's stuff like species clause, level caps, no items in battle (held items allowed) that are some of the more common rules that aren't there 100% of the time

[unkempt egret]

mostly correct but forced nicknames is also optional, you 100% can nickname everything if you want but it isn't a hard requirement

[smoky gyro]

Shiny clause as well

[unkempt egret]

for norman the main strats I can think of is ||either run something with protect or something with high speed and dig, though the latter might be tricky to work with. I think geodude/graveler and aron might work as well though make sure you use dig on the slaking turn in that case (and absolutely attack the second slaking with another move so you aren't OHKO punched rofl) I think you do have access to toxic for that one as well?||

[sweet crypt]

I'm so ass at nicknaming that all my nicknames are either other people I know on Discord or shit like "moth" for Volcarona or "fish" for idk, Chi-Yu or whatever

[coarse estuary]

when i do nuzlockes i pick nicknaming themes like foods or flowers or cities

[sweet crypt]

Yknow what's sad?

Aron learns Protect at level 32 in Gen 4

If it learnt Protect at level 32 in Gen 3 as well, you may be able to edge it to level 32 for Protect

[smoky gyro]

Cant you just tm it protect

[sweet crypt]

Can't give it the TM for Protect if you don't have the TM for Protect

[quasi dagger]

protect is in lilycove

anyways i lost

[smoky gyro]

Ive also never used protect in an actual playthrough

Unless Im running stall ig

[sweet crypt]

Protect is not great in playthroughs

Because why stall the AI when you can easily steamroll them instead?

[smoky gyro]

Yeah

[quasi dagger]

i got crit by facade 3 times😭

[smoky gyro]

I only use it in competitive

[sweet crypt]

It's not like the AI is gonna have a great defensive core, or priority, or scarf users, or sash users to handle something like +2 Weavile Taxel

... Well, Taxel breaks Sash

[quasi dagger]

im gonna restart this tmmr

[sweet crypt]

But in my defence for some reason specifically Weavile was what came to my mind first

Why? I dunno

It's just a fast, hard hitting SD user I guess

[smoky gyro]

Not that hard hitting without band or SD tbh

[sweet crypt]

More than enough for a playthrough

And 120 is on the higher end

And alongside that speed tier and type

It's not like Rampardos where on paper it's a hard hitting menace but in practice it instantly fucking dies and accomplishes nothing

[smoky gyro]

Cause its slow af

[sweet crypt]

Speed is arguably the most important stat in the game

[smoky gyro]

Definitely

[sweet crypt]

No matter what you are, you like Speed

[smoky gyro]

Thats why I love seeing trick room teams

Those are the ones I find most interesting

[sweet crypt]

Even if you're a defensive Pokemon, who wouldn't like using Recover before your opponent can finish you off?

[smoky gyro]

Its also interesting when being slower is more important

For like weather overrides or slow pivots

[sweet crypt]

True

Really just an incredibly defining stat

[whole jewel]

Random thought, but I wish more fangames rolled with the E4 from the manga being genocidal maniacs... :I

[soft elm]

Are there any other games that use the Joiplay and rpgmaker plugin. Or is it only for PIF

[gusty umbra]

wish there was more games with sabrina, lt surge and koga on rockets side

[snow cobalt]

this part is racist

i cant go past it

[boreal storm]

This is how you do it

You need to use mach bike

[smoky gyro]

I kinda wanna see them add more "???" type moves

Like a true neutral move with no super effective or resists

Or immunities

[brisk hedge]

That’s not a Mach bike, that’s a Crawdaunt

[boreal storm]

Most of the characters in this romhack has their own unique mounts

[brisk hedge]

My point still stands

[boreal storm]

Like Cynthia having a motorcycle

[untold hill]

damn rare lew appearance

[snow cobalt]

hell ye 🔥

[coarse estuary]

chuck down

[frank lily]

Got her yesterday

[true goblet]

hi im new he

[cinder pasture]

Since when did Corviknight have a Gigantamax form?

[coarse estuary]

sweep with tortle

[tight ivy]

You’re joking, right?!

[cinder pasture]

No, I've genuinely never seen it before lmao

I honestly have no idea how

I have a full level 100 team on Sword and not once have I seen Gigantamax Corviknight

[unkempt egret]

probably because max airstream is more useful? not sure

[brisk hedge]

Also probably because they made it so only certain individual Pokémon could Gigantamax instead of the entire species

[unkempt egret]

and said gigata's were basically event only with how rare they were prior to the DLC

[full smelt]

I love all the gens except for the new tbh the open world didn’t exactly fit and after one play through it was boring and the terestilizaton or whatever was pretty crap

[delicate hollow]

You know what's really funny is the fact a lot of Pokemon can learn moves from TMs that makes no sense and is downright stupid on them like gastly and wooper despite having no hands can learn one of the elemental punches

[runic venture]

Sworld and shield but his G-max capacity is usless

[sweet crypt]

You can give a scary amount of abilities that make Volcarona obviously broken while still making sense

For example, Larvesta's (and as a result, Volcarona's) fuzz is important enough for it to be its crafting material in SV

You could give it Fur Coat

Volcarona has Tinted Lens

I dont need to explain this one

Volcarona substituted the Sun

You could give it Drought

[final hamlet]

what do the sparkles mean

[coarse estuary]

you mean the shiny sparkles?

[final hamlet]

whats that

[coarse estuary]

ok i know you are trolling. ima not feed yah

[final hamlet]

its a fake screen shot also but that is what I am going for

[coarse estuary]

well good on you

[tight granite]

what part of it is fake

cant really tell

[final hamlet]

took a screen shot from online

[tight granite]

why?

at that point just copy and paste the image

so uneeded, also wouldnt make it fake

[final hamlet]

[sweet crypt]

Have you ever wondered what every fish Pokemon in the game is?

No? Well I have

So I'm gonna look

[tight granite]

i dont even get what you said

like what species of fish?

i feel like we know em all already, dont think there is a fish pokemon that we dont know what species of fish its inspired by

[sweet crypt]

Fish

Horsea, Seadra and Kingdra
Goldeen and Seaking
Magikarp
Chinchou and Lanturn
Qwilfish, Hisuian Qwilfish and Overqwil (peak name ngl)
Remoraid
Mantyke and Mantine
Carvanha and Sharpedo
Barboach and Whiscash
Feebas and Milotic (the latter calls Milotic an oarfish, so good enough for me. Not like I'd know what the hell it is otherwise other than an undescript serpentine animal)
Gorebyss and Huntail
Relicanth
Luvdisc
Finneon and Lumineon
Basculin and Basculegion
Alomomola
Tynamo, Eelektrik and Eelektross (They may be fake eels, but they are real fish.)
Skrelp and Dragalge
Wishiwashi
Bruxish
Arrokuda and Barraskewda
Wiglett and Wugtrio
Veluza
Dondozo (TIL Dozo is about 6 times bigger than its irl counterpart in terms of length)
Every Tatsugiri with the possible exception of non-shiny Curly Tatsugiri (due to it bein more of a shrimp sushi, while the others are some form of fish sushi. Though, they could also be based on Koi according to Bulbapedia)

False Fish

Tentacool and Tentacruel (Jellyfish are Cnidarians)
Staryu and Starmie (Starfish are echinoderms)
Octillery (Only mentioned since it evolves from a fish, there should be 0 misconception on it)
Waimer and Wailord (I hope that nobody actually thinks whales are fish, but just in case, y'know. They at least resemble fish more than animals with fish in their name.)
Corphish and Crawdaunt (Crayfish are crustaceans)
Clamperl (Bulbapedia claims it could be a fish egg, but unlike Milotic, it looks and acts exactly like a bivalve. This is not a fish, this is a mollusc.)
Kyogre (Is an Killer Whale/Orca. A dolphin. Which are cetaceans.)
Frillish and Jellicent (Once again, Jellyfish are Cnidarians)
Tapu Fini (Has an outer shell that looks like a fish, but fortunately for Fini, it isn't just an empty shell. I would not call Fini itself a fish.)
Chi-Yu (I'd have made a joke here but none of y'all would've gotten it)

???

Gyarados

Half fish

Vaporeon
Dracovish
Arctovish

Here's my comprehensive list

Ask me anything!

For example, what you think I've missed, what you think I've gotten wrong

Etc

This is the comprehensive list of fish, half fish, whatever Gyarados counts as and fake fish

See, Magikarp and Gyarados are based on a myth where a koi climbs a waterfall and jumps over something or whatever and becomes a dragon

However, Gyarados noticeably lacks the dragon type

Lockstin and Gnoggin hypothesised a while back that, due to being destructive, Gyarados lost its dragonhood, claiming that there's folklore claiming that too

However, finding folklore on Wikipedia has not ended well for me in the past so I kinda just have to take their word for it

So, if Gyarados lost its dragonhood, does that mean it reverted to being a fish?

Did Gyarados ever lose its fishhood even as a dragon?

That's why I have its ??? tier

Yes, Seahorses and Leafy Seadragons are fish

[tight ivy]

Awesome info

[untold hill]

cool

[sweet crypt]

I actually missed one

Can you find out what it is?

(Technically 4 but shh)

Wait actually I missed 2 (6)

[broken crater]

You missed finizen and palafin for fake fish

[sweet crypt]

I covered 2 cetaceans already

And also I was running out of characters

Yknow, Discord has a character limit

For messages

I was reminded that Swampert could count as a half fish

Given that it is potentially a mudskipper

Though I do think its amphibian traits shine through more, I can't deny that I'd be more than glad to add it to my list alongside its prevos

The 6 fish I missed are Gible, Gabite, Garchomp, Mega Garchomp, Stunfisk and Galarian Stunfisk

A shark on land is still a shark

Shocker, I know

[broken crater]

I think you couldve included tympole and tadbulb

As in dutch baby frogs are called frogfishes

[boreal storm]

Friends shape

[sweet crypt]

That's like saying I should include Yanmega as a dragon because in English, it is called a dragonfly (and only english)

[broken crater]

They are more fish like tho

[sweet crypt]

... That said, like 50 million people want it to be dragon type

So yknow what

That is a fair argument

[delicate hollow]

I wish we got a fan game with cross breeding and hybrid breeding

[snow cobalt]

what do i do after i got 5th badge

[brisk hedge]

Emerald?

[snow cobalt]

yess

emerald imperium

[brisk hedge]

In normal Emerald you go to Fortree for the sixth gym. Not sure if they would’ve changed it for imperium though

[snow cobalt]

alr alr ty

[brisk hedge]

Can someone explain to me why Mightyena’s weakness is grass

[broken crater]

No

[smoky gyro]

Because Pokemon cards have weaknesses that dont make sense

[broken crater]

I am gonna assume its bc they gave grass type to morelull shiinotic and the whimsicott line

[unkempt egret]

Bug types in the main series are "grass" types in the TGC

probably did that on a few dark cards in this expansion so they'd be weak to the new yanmega ex

the one that confuses me tho is zapdos being weak to it's own type

which my guess is just to maintain consistency with the other two kanto birds that more logically have it (key word though: guess)

[brisk hedge]

They have a fighting type though, which Mightyena is actually weak to

And most Dark(ness) types in the TCG are weak to fighting

[unkempt egret]

as i said I think they wanted to place an emphasis more on bug-as-grass types

speaking of which shoutouts to yanmega for being a grass EX that only uses colorless energy

[queen harbor]

What

[coarse estuary]

clare deathless

[brisk hedge]

Doesn't mean she'll except it

[scenic pewter]

Hey, do anyone have a extra gardevoir in tcg pocket? I will trade it with either Aerodactyl ex or Staraptor ex

[coarse estuary]

Gen 2 done with the genlocke time for Gen 3. The whole team lived. The final team of 6 was Blastoise and Eevee from leg 1 meganium yanma Dragonair and crobat. Blastoise and Eevee are 2 time champs everyone else are first time champs

[tight ivy]

Haha, ole stinky breath lost!

[tight ivy]

Please clean your screens

[wispy osprey]

if you’re still looking for Gardevoir I’d happily take the Aerodactyl ex

[scenic pewter]

I got a partner already, thank you for asking🙏

[wispy osprey]

ok

[shell oak]

“It might just be stupid enough to work”
(I hadn’t unlocked basculegion yet)

[coarse estuary]

no.

[tight ivy]

[coarse estuary]

if you want my screens cleaned come clean em yourself

[coarse estuary]

here's a question id been thinkin of but, what is the reason your fave pokemon game or gen is your fave pokemon game or gen

[tight ivy]

The reason is the metagame

[coarse estuary]

lol

[tight ivy]

What’s funny about that?

[coarse estuary]

the facr you play for metagame

[tight ivy]

To each his own

Consume a sachet of Ekans

[coarse estuary]

no i dont think i will

[tight ivy]

I like USUM for the metagame and Gen IV for the story

I don’t get why you’re mocking me for liking the metagame. I’m not shitting on you for what you like

[coarse estuary]

ive not once mocked you. you believe what you want i dont care id wrather not argue with you its not worth my time to stoop to your level

[tight ivy]

Ok. Then why laugh?

I don’t have any beef with you.

You asked a question and I answered

[coarse estuary]

i laugh at things i find funny. if you dont find it funny dont laugh. i was not laughing at you i just thought it was funny that you chose a meta game for a reason to like a gen thats all. you are making it way deeper than it ever needed to be

[tight ivy]

I’m on the spectrum, so it’s hard for me to pick up on social queues. It’s doubly as hard for me online

So fucking excuse me for misunderstanding you

[coarse estuary]

you move on please. i dont want this to blow up just because you are victimizing yourself when you dont need to. you can feel free to keep going but this is my last message on this. have a good whatever time of day it is for you.

[sweet crypt]

I like the saving before attempting in case you miss, break your legs and fucking die

[shell oak]

Scarlet and violet taught me a lot about abusing saves to make sure I dont pay for doing stupid stuff

[lime forum]

he is just like that, dont worry, if he sees he is losing the argument he will block you as a "big chess move"

[tight ivy]

<@&306953740651462656> he’s perpetuating drama

[cloud root]

how about you stop crying

[tight ivy]

I’ve already walked away. Stop perpetuating drama.

[cloud root]

i am not you are by trying to get the mods into this

[tight ivy]

Just stop dude

Please

[cloud root]

how about you stop replying then

[tight ivy]

Real mature

https://tenor.com/view/peace-out-gif-22295199

[cloud root]

real mature ha you are trying to get the last say well i dont have anything to do so i wont be going anyway

[wispy osprey]

seriously ive played 7 mainline games at this point

you'd think id have learned to save before important stuff at this point

well NOPE

still forget to do it

[tight ivy]

😩

[wispy osprey]

like i forgot to save before the yveltal battle in Y so i just had to knock it out, run past lysander to leave the base (which is a LONG TIME), run past the fucking giant weapon thing to go to the mart in geosenge to buy poke balls, and run back through the whole thing so i could battle it again and catch it

[tight ivy]

Fuck

[wispy osprey]

instead of just resetting to before the battle and making sure i had some ultra balls on me

it was not good

[cloud root]

damm hm

[wispy osprey]

the whole time i was just imagining how weird it must have been to be an in game character during that

imagine being a team flare member, this random 12 year old is just running through your secret hideout obviously trying to sabotage your plans, he beats your glorious leader, descends into the depths, then runs back out after literally unleashing a legendary pokemon who just sits there waiting for him to come back

i enjoyed the game as a whole but that whole sequence was not my proudest moment 💀

[cloud root]

for me i like to make a story behind my charater i play

[cloud root]

i will play any pokemon game my first pokemon game if you dont count pokemon go was pokemon X so i am use to the exp all

[deep meadow]

does anyone watch the pokemon anime

i justt watched the last 11 episodes and i feel kinda empty

[cloud root]

i LOVED XYZ

[tight ivy]

I stopped watching the anime when I figured out that Ash wasn’t aging with me

[deep meadow]

xyz was amazing

[deep meadow]

i guess thats valid

[cloud root]

god i wish ash and serena dated i wanted to see if they get married

[deep meadow]

ash definitely friendzones her because they see each other again and they barely even talk so

[cloud root]

but ash is 10 and serena is also 10 eh

[deep meadow]

yeah

im very disappointed they retired ash

[cloud root]

i know and like she is the only girl that kissed him on THE GOD DAMM LIPS

[deep meadow]

idk why the highest grossing franchise cant have the story of the new characters go on with another show of ash and pikachu still

[cloud root]

in Pokemon Adventures Ruby & Sapphire ruby and sapphire do date

[deep meadow]

what

why u on about this dating stuff

theyre 10

[cloud root]

it a manga

[cloud root]

oh no they are not in the manga

[deep meadow]

bro i just started pokemon horizons just to see how it was

and even the NARRATOR is different...

[cloud root]

sadly i cant watch it it not in the au and plus i WANTED ASH TO BE THE DAD AND SERENA BE THE MOM but i dont know anymore

[deep meadow]

man u need to give up on this dating stuff

[cloud root]

i like romance animes

[deep meadow]

pokemon was never a romance though

its a kids game

[cloud root]

no i mean anime anime i know pokemon isnt but i play the games soo

[snow cobalt]

what do i do

[broken crater]

Catch the kecleon I guess

[snow cobalt]

fsakf ty

[broken crater]

np

[green moat]

does anyone want to trade on pocket?

only cards i need for genetic apex are

Vileplume
Parasect
Blastoise
Jolteon
Hypno
Nidoqueen
Snorlax

[supple creek]

Damn, I got none

[green moat]

they’re not the full art ones btw just normal

[wheat kite]

get the sylph scope from your second rival next route

[brisk hedge]

?tag rule22

[ebon pond]

Rule 22 CODE OF CONDUCT: Speak English in channels outside of #international and, only speak the given language in the #international channels. These channels exist to allow fans to chat together in their languages of choice without the flow of conversation being disrupted by messages the rest of the channel cannot read.

[unkempt egret]

I can still get the general bit without knowing japanese at least but rip salaryman regigigas

[supple creek]

Not to that guy but wouldn't it be in reverse because of Regis slow start ability

At least, that's how I feel

[boreal storm]

Well this is why Regigigas has slow start, it's just tired

[supple creek]

true...

[wispy osprey]

yeah he actually made a wish on ho-oh in that first episode so the entire anime is actually just one big dream that ash is having so he can get a lifetime worth of running around with his silly little guys without ever asging

[unkempt egret]

didn't they say that age only exists when it's relevant to the plot or somethin, "like most cartoons" or somethin like that

I really wish I had the quote but I know they addressed it and it's a purely out-of-universe reasoning

[proven geyser]

GOD FINALLY UMBREON TIME

it took forever to not just decide what to turn an adamant eevee into(in modern emerald), but to gain the happiness required to get the fucking umbreon

not to mention half his ev beefing was just hp bc this bitch had -5 hp ivs

[broken crater]

@kind notch youre mentioned here

Idk why tho

[sweet crypt]

You can't convince me that this isn't cat behaviour but instead dog behaviour (/j, out of all the Eeveelutions Umbreon is possibly the one that resembles a cat or dog the least)

[proven geyser]

wdym

scraping their entire being against you and mashing their faces onto everything is the one thing cats are universally known to do

or at least they do it with their owners' things

[sweet crypt]

OK but Umbreon doesn't resemble a cat and I'm pretty sure that text plays for any Pokemon

[proven geyser]

tho i stand in my belief that eevee line is equally cat/dog/fox

[sweet crypt]

... Wait, does that mean every Pokemon is a cat Pokemon?

[proven geyser]

giratina rubbing against you to scentmark <3

[broken crater]

Imagine

Rhyperior rubbing against your leg

[sweet crypt]

Ferrothorn 💀

[broken crater]

Aegislash

[proven geyser]

i'm gonna get firing squad'd by all the umbreon stans for this but umbreon is baby's first decent blender animal

[sweet crypt]

OK but Aegislash can rub with its shield part

[broken crater]

Doublqde

[proven geyser]

they have scabbards

[sweet crypt]

Rub with the flat side of the blade

Or the scabbard yeah

Or the scarf but that'd steal your soul or something

[proven geyser]

i mean if it likes you enough it can choose not to off you

[broken crater]

Okay what animal is mew?

[sweet crypt]

I'd rather have my soul stolen than experience the agony of having a Ferrothorn rub up against me

[sweet crypt]

Cat with fetus elements

[proven geyser]

mew is. not a fully formed animal

[sweet crypt]

Idk what a cat fetus looks like

So that's why I didn't just say cat fetus

[broken crater]

I always find it resembling a mouse more

[proven geyser]

those long legged gerbils, yeah

[sweet crypt]

It's name is Mew and its clone is Mewtwo

Mew, yknow, the sound that cats make?

[broken crater]

They Just have that meow

[sweet crypt]

It's like saying Kangaskhan isn't a kangaroo

Because it doesn't look like one

You're right about the latter but certainly not the former

[broken crater]

Yk koalas also do that right?

And opposums

[proven geyser]

tbf a rabbit and hare are two entirely different species

[sweet crypt]

(Seriously how is this supposed to be a kangaroo apart from the baby in the pouch and being tall and bipedal)

[broken crater]

And probably platypuses aswell

Bc why not

[sweet crypt]

(And how is Scyther a mantis)

So yeah TLDR

[proven geyser]

no, platipi are egg-laying

[sweet crypt]

Mew is intended to be a cat

And maybe a fetus as well

[proven geyser]

they do not have pouches and are not marsupial

[sweet crypt]

Even if it doesn't look like a typical cat

[broken crater]

Hm

What animal is missingno

[sweet crypt]

Bird

[broken crater]

[proven geyser]

a coding glitch

bird is also correct

[broken crater]

I believe missingno can be a raikou aswell

[proven geyser]

actually missingno is more of an overflow error now that i think of it

[sweet crypt]

Jokes aside iirc its type is bird because it pulls on the code of a bird keeper

[proven geyser]

just a very specific one

[sweet crypt]

Which is interesting, don't you think?

[proven geyser]

wasn't flying originally bird or was that a muth

*myth

[sweet crypt]

Iirc that's a myth

[broken crater]

Its not a myth

Its rigjt next to mew under that truck

[sweet crypt]

The glitch Pokemon all pull on incorrect code such as trainer data

It's likely that the bird type was from the bird keeper

Though I'm not too certain

[proven geyser]

ah, so it was a form of overflow error

[broken crater]

Gen 1 was so weird lol

[proven geyser]

again, just a really specific kind

[sweet crypt]

You get stuff like Pokemon whose BSTs are only lower than Eternamax Eternatus

... before accounting for the special stat being only 1 stat as opposed to 2 in the later generations

Because funni wrong coding

[proven geyser]

was gonna say that's literally all of them

[sweet crypt]

Funniest shit is

[broken crater]

Shiny pokemon were max IV pokemon in gen 1 right?

[sweet crypt]

Even after the special stat

Their BST is still lower than Emax

That's the difference between Emax and Mega Ray

[proven geyser]

isnt emax the highest bst tho

[sweet crypt]

Exactly

[broken crater]

The difference is is that one is playable

[sweet crypt]

Mega Ray is the highest BST playable Pokemkn excluding the Gen 1 glitches

And ig Gen 1 Mewtwo as well

Actually would it be a big enough increase to be more than 780?

Probably not right?

[broken crater]

Also I think arceus not being the nr 1 strongest is funny

[sweet crypt]

It is simply a metaphorical hand

[broken crater]

Probably is if you count like arceus true form

[proven geyser]

i think stats=/= lore

[sweet crypt]

Just a fragment of Arceus

[sweet crypt]

And this is also to be accounted for

Dialga would wipe the FLOOR with Mega Rayquaza

[broken crater]

Ashs pikachu would be 100% the strongest Just looking at lore

[proven geyser]

that's always how RP subreddits for pokemon specifically would view it, like stats are just for simulations to make those balanced

but in reality shit's powercrept like a fucking shonen

[sweet crypt]

People allow you to RP as those mfs?

Wtf?

[proven geyser]

no?

[sweet crypt]

Bro just ban them lmfao

Nobody wants to be rping a fight

And suddenly time stops

And you are dead

[proven geyser]

no it;s

[broken crater]

I wanna rp as a wooper

[sweet crypt]

That's not fun to rp

[proven geyser]

nobody is doing that

[broken crater]

I am gonna fight

But I have no arms

[sweet crypt]

It would be funny to make a Jojo reference though

[proven geyser]

i was saying that stats didn't always reflect the "reality" of the universe in the sub, the one i used to be in was for everyday people type characters

someone had a whole arc with a really well trained spinda for example

nobody was fighting god tho

[sweet crypt]

Sorry, just mild ptsd

[proven geyser]

in fact, it was frowned upon to have just caught them

[sweet crypt]

"""mild"""

[proven geyser]

yeah, we were all 12 once

[sweet crypt]

What's even worse is when the god who is supposed to be killing you just sends random mfs at you so that they can play Geometry Dash instead

And then kills themself

Like fucking hell

[proven geyser]

actually back to the original reason i was here, my paras just barked

[sweet crypt]

Actually just fucking stupid

[sweet crypt]

???

Holy shit Paras is a dog Pokemon?

This is massive news

[proven geyser]

the whole "all pokemon get the flavor text" thing

[brisk hedge]

It’s just as much of a dog as Raikou, Entei and Suicune

[fair solar]

https://www.reddit.com/r/PokemonHome/comments/1ihni72/psa_having_multiple_shiny_manaphy_in_bdsp_will/?share_id=2pwZtUY7QurIaZ-adStRO&utm_content=1&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1

[whole jewel]

Just like trubbish is a cat. :v

[hard plume]

I wouldn't say cat

but rather, "cat-like"

or maybe it got in due to a technicality

https://youtu.be/rLZd9ryYE04

trubbish is not a cat, but a litter box

[coarse estuary]

trubish is as cat like as voltorb is as kaiju like

[whole jewel]

It's a joke related to Trubbish being included on some official cat-pokemon merch, if memory serves.

[coarse estuary]

ah. ok ok makes sence. i litterly thought there were people out there who thought the pokemon trubish was based off of cats

[whole jewel]

That would be pretty dark. :I

[hard plume]

one of my hyperfixations got so bad that I have to name every grookey I get "Robbie" now

[coarse estuary]

i mean every time i get a cryogonal i name it hex

[hard plume]

and much like every time I get a litten I name it rath

So it's not the first time I nicknamed a pokemon after one of my special interests

[coarse estuary]

i dont usually do stuck nicknames after special intrests but as memories to youtube lets plays i really like, examples being i name all my cryogonal hex or all my toxipex line tox

[tight granite]

https://tenor.com/view/rath-angry-furious-ben10-gif-22506964

[smoky gyro]

Mans salty cause I crit him lmao

[whole jewel]

This sort of stuff is half the reason I don't compete on my cobblemon server even though I have a battle arena in my tumblestone farm. :I

I would be the guy to get swept by a vivilon. :I

[smoky gyro]

I love Vivillon

Shes awesome

[sweet crypt]

I get being salty after that, but being toxic on top of it is dumb

[smoky gyro]

Classic showdown

[tight ivy]

That’s not that toxic. Trust me, I would know.

[sweet crypt]

Yeah it isn't but it is still toxic unecessarily

It's not like anyone was hacking the game to increase their crit chance and confusion proc chance etc

[cloud root]

ye you would pal

[tight ivy]

Did anyone hear anything?

[broken crater]

I heard sirbuttholethe3rd

[whole jewel]

Playing PIF makes me wonder who, in the name of hell, thought it was a good idea to make the Kanto gym leaders in the original gen 2 games as weak as they were, when you could only battle them after the e4...

[empty ingot]

AAOOOUUGGGUUUUUHHHH!!!

[open swallow]

Does anyone have the discord for fire ash? I looked it up but can’t find it anywhere

[broken crater]

Went up in flames

[smoky gyro]

Technically speaking if a water mon with adapt terra waters is that now 2.5x or 3x

[tawdry niche]

ok hot take but eternamax eternatus is cooler than ultra necrozma

in terms of design

[sweet crypt]

I have them ranked equally in my tierlist

They're very great designs for sure

[tawdry niche]

i'm a sucker for big hands

[boreal storm]

Why does future paradox always smaller than their counterpart?(legendaries doesn't count)

[rugged field]

good question

[boreal storm]

Yeah

[sweet crypt]

Small and compact=more energy efficient

[boreal storm]

Like if you see other nature vs technology or organic creatures fighting robot version of themselves they're always equal

[boreal storm]

I think they have infinite energy

Did you ever see they charged themselves

[sweet crypt]

Idk, they do power off when they sleep, implying that they need some sort of energy source

Maybe they're solar powered or something

Idfk

Besides, most Pokemon are never shown eating unless you feed them, that doesn't mean not a single Pokemon eats food unless forced to

Then there's the matter of Iron Treads having eaten the herba mystica

Which would imply that they are not fully robotic, but instead cyborgs

[boreal storm]

Maybe, or their ai is so advanced they have they're own consciousness that made them have feelings and emotions

[sweet crypt]

The dex entries also imply this, but the dex entries say shit like

"This is a ghostly pterodactyl" about fucking Flutter Mane

And "This Hydreigon fucked a robot" for Iron Jugulis

So it's uhh

Untrustworthy at best

Complete and utter bullshit at most

[boreal storm]

They so advanced that they can somehow eat

[sweet crypt]

I'm definitely leaning towards them being cyborgs that lean more towards inorganic than organic

Perhaps they come from a post apocalyptic timeline, and this was their only way to survive

There's no way to tell

The past paradoxes are a lot easier to make theories on

Just replace dinosaurs with them

Bam

That's their timeline

[boreal storm]

But come one atleast make then the same height as the present counterpart. Like they just need to give them extra protection or extra materials to make them the same height

[sweet crypt]

But yeah I do think their smaller stature is something to do with speed, convenience etc

Energy efficiency

[boreal storm]

Well, let's just hope the anime fix this like when they fixing normal pokemon and legendary height

[sweet crypt]

Fix something that isn't broken?

This is completely intentional and easily explained with common sense

If they did make them bigger, cool

But that isn't really a fix

When it wasn't a problem anyways

[fathom kindle]

To anyone that played the Scorched Silver rom hack before does anyone know where can I get a Dawn Stone for my Kirlia? I wanna get a Gallade n I don’t want a Gardevoir w adamant nature

[dire yarrow]

Guys can anyone give a tip? I don’t know which hack rom play next

[rustic epoch]

how good is it? (im in story mode)

[unkempt egret]

looks fine, can get coil going later on

[whole jewel]

Yeah, the dex is inaccurate to just plain wrong about pokemon from other dimensions or times, and is questionable about rare mon.

This kinda supports the "the pokedex is already filled out. Scanning pokemon is actually you just unlocking already-known and filled out dex entries for most pokemon, and for unknown pokemon, the pokedex is just skimming the internet for whatever it can find" theory. The pokedex is just a gamified encyclopedia with a Google AI taped on. :I

[brisk hedge]

Forget rare Pokémon, it’s inaccurate for regular Pokémon. It claims that Vulaby can’t fly despite the fact that it can learn fly, for example

[whole jewel]

Eeeeh, game mechanics versus lore is a major debate.

[sweet crypt]

Iirc it lost Fly in later gens

So that's not the greatest example

"Scizor can't fly"
Scizor flying 1m above me in the SV DLC

At least it can't learn fly

But idk if something is flying 1m above me

I'd definitely say it is flying

Yanmega can carry a man but apparently not a 10 year old because it also can't learn fly

[rustic epoch]

finally got red orb

[tawdry niche]

rate my team 🔥

[sweet crypt]

Did bro get a red orb at like 194 or something

[coarse estuary]

gym 1 easy

[whole jewel]

Man. I really want Paradox Genesect, but I really don't want to suffer through all the stuff I have to do to get him in the Cobblemon server I'm on... :I

[sweet crypt]

MC Pokemon servers and making custom Pokemon that are pains in the ass to get

Name a better combo

Every Pixelmon Reforged server I've seen does this, every Cobblemons server I've seen does this

[whole jewel]

Eh. Delta's fine in that regard. They treat the server as a region, so there's some regional variants, some custom legendary/paradox/UB mon, and a custom gimmick.

[sweet crypt]

I haven't played in a Generations server or even heard of one but I wouldn't be surprised if those also suffered from that

There's also the matter of all these servers being p2w to some extent

And tbf they need to keep the server up somehow

Those cost money

But it is still annoying

[whole jewel]

The legendaries are really the hard to get stuff, and mostly because they're either subject to limited spawns, require a lot of active work, or involve you doing group content that requires battle-perfect mon.

[sweet crypt]

Real money can and will speed up your progress in these servers

[whole jewel]

Delta also isn't really pay to win. The closest they come is that some semi-rare mon can be gotten in the skin boxes.

[sweet crypt]

In some servers more than others

I think Cobblemon servers struggle with this less than Reforged servers

Because dear god what are those unholy abominations

And why are they only available via money

Man I wish one could host a server for free and thus not need to monetise everything

The only free server hoster is like

Aternos

Which has pretty terrible performance

But hey it's free

So I can't complain too much about it

[whole jewel]

So, Delta actually DOES let you pay money, but doing so is 95% cosmetic. Like, you can roll for one of the season skins (I really like the red and black Iron Valiant. It has DMC2 Dante vibes) and get a special nameplate, and can change your poketch color, but it's mostly juat to support the server.

[sweet crypt]

What is the 5% that isn't cosmetic

Also are skins tradable

[whole jewel]

I think you also get some BP, which gives you a slight heads up, but you can also grind out a lot more BP than you're getting without spending anything.

[sweet crypt]

Because if they are, that just means the market is now inflated

If you have a server with tradable cosmetics, the trading scene will end up revolving around them

That's something that I've seen over and over without fail

It's not very good for the economy

[whole jewel]

You trade the entire mon, not the skin, and yes... But only a few skins go for prices that matter.

Mostly because a lot can be gotten from the free egg gacha, too.

[sweet crypt]

Also, do you only get the skins, or do you get the Pokemon alongside them?

Because if you get the Pokemon alongside them, that's potentially p2w

Since you can just pay money to get a Pokemon that'd otherwise be difficult to get

And the skin would be just a bonus

[whole jewel]

The mon. There's only been 1 exceptionally rare mon that has a skin, and you only get the skin item for that. You have to get the mon through normal gameplay means.

For MOST mon, you can just buy a battle perfect one from a breeder for the money you get from a handfull of catch quests.

[sweet crypt]

Exceptionally rare implies some Pokemon that aren't quite exceptionally rare but still very rare do have skins

[whole jewel]

So the economy isn't insane.

[sweet crypt]

And idk about you, but the previous Cobblemon server I was on had me looking for a Scorbunny for like 20 hours

And I never got one

That ultra rare category is truly something else

[whole jewel]

Yeah. Iron Valiant is in every skin pack. It's semi-rare and you have to fight it traditionally before battling it normally. That's the most extreme one.

[whole jewel]

Yeah, I hate that Cobblemon has Ralts as an ultra rare. The hell you mean I have to spend a month searching for this green dummy? :I

[sweet crypt]

Jesus fucking christ, a MONTH?

Were you not using like

Those platform farms people set up in these servers

Because a month is fucking nuts

[whole jewel]

I play on a server with friends and have never managed to find a ralts on that server. On my solo game I hunted for a full in-game winter (seasons mod) and still didn't find it... Even though I found 2 legendaries in that time...

[sweet crypt]

Jesus

[whole jewel]

There are easier ways, but spawn platforms are ugly. 😛

[sweet crypt]

I mean, it isn't as bad as hunting for an Iron Valiant or Roaring Moon in Reforged

But still

[whole jewel]

I usually just make a small base in the biome I'm hunting.

[sweet crypt]

(WHO DECIDED THESE MFS SHOULD SPAWN AT RATES OF LESS THAN 1/100 ON SMALL END ISLANDS)

[whole jewel]

This is also not on Delta. Lots of rare mon have boosted rates in Ultra Space in Delta.

[sweet crypt]

(I LITERALLY GOT MIRAIDON AND KORAIDON BEFORE ROARING MOON)

(LIKE BRO)

[whole jewel]

That is... Relatable.

[sweet crypt]

Ngl stupidly low MC Pokemon spawn rates is another thing that puts me off playing them as much

And playing in multiplayer for these servers is also pretty rough

Since you won't get much natural generated loot

Which is like one of the most OP things in Pixelmon

Idk about Cobblemon though

Also splits the legendary spawn attention

Usually for Reforged I get legendaries at a relatively quick pace

[whole jewel]

I actually came into Delta EXPECTING it to be a scammy mess, but... It's actually pretty fun. The staff is active and helpful, there's daily events like Spleef that you get points for to get rewards, there's a fair in-game economy, and just like in real life, small businesses are priced out bu costco. :v

[sweet crypt]

There's like a 30% chance for a legendary every 20-40 minutes

But then in a multiplayer server there's like 20 people

So divide that 30% by 20

Or whatever

Though that's for the best

Unless youre a newcomer to a server that has been up for a while

Then you're just facing full AG teams while you're stuck with OU at best

[whole jewel]

Delta actually has a solution for that. Pickup can get evo stones, diamonds, netherite, and nether stars (very rare for those last ones), you can do dousing (3 mon that douse in different zones, plus a dousing machine. All have their own loot pools), and there's an in-game NPC shop that sells a bunch of stuff for good prices.

[sweet crypt]

I think that's another issue I have with these multiplayer servers, since usually I play in multiplayer to compete

But if you join late, and everyone has box arts everywhere fully trained

Then you may as well be playing on Singleplayer but with getting to the top like 50 times harder

[whole jewel]

And yeah, midgame content for Delta suggests battle perfect teams. I will NEVER start the gym challenge. :I

[sweet crypt]

As to even compete you need to play catch up

Even for an OU context team, those aren't easy to set up in Cobblemon at least

[whole jewel]

That said, I know a couple of the gym leaders, and they're pretty cool.

[sweet crypt]

And probably in Reforged multiplayer too

[whole jewel]

The ghost gym leader's really helpful.

[sweet crypt]

Since you'd have to grind whatever currency they made up to afford maxing IVs, changing natures, changing abilities

And sometimes you just don't want to invest that much time into something

Though I will say, I've actually played in Delta semi recently

And hey, the grinding still will take many days

But at least it wasn't the previous server I was in, where I was grinding near daily until I just lost the will to continue

Because I wasn't even a fifth of the way to my goal

[whole jewel]

Well, mints usually sell for really cheap, for natures. IVs need BP bottlecaps, which can be a pain, but you can also pay someone for a BP mon. I got a level 5 5IV Ralts for 4000 pokedollars. The low level catch quests give you 8K.

[sweet crypt]

That's like, 80 hours down the drain

But yeah TLDR: Playing the game of catch up in a server that will already be many, MANY light years ahead of you, with most natural loot being gone

Is uhhh

Demotivating

If I could host a server with like only 5 or so people

Then it wouldn't be as much of an issue

Since that's a lot smaller of a number

I do want to play multiplayer, I just don't like those servers with like 50 people or more because of the issues I've mentioned being exacerbated in them

You get what I mean?

[whole jewel]

Honestly, if you want to try it out, give Delta a shot. The "overworld loot being taken" thing is NOT as much of a problem as you think since it's all just gotten in different ways now.

[sweet crypt]

This is especially a problem in Reforged compared to Cobblemon since it's basically a race to see who can monopolise the Ultra Space loot first

[whole jewel]

Also not as much as you think. I've spent hours in caverns on the oldest server that no one's touched because it's easier to just get the stuff through the economy.

[sweet crypt]

Like I've been playing singleplayer Reforged

And man, Ultra Space gives a ton of ability capsules, ability patches, bottle caps, plates, z crystals etc

Not to mention almost every top tier item

You're only really missing Leftovers from the loot pool there

Actually I think HDB are also not there

That's probably a bit of a flaw with Reforged multiplayer

Though thankfully, Ultra Space is large as hell

I still find patches I haven't explored close to spawn wormholes

Though obviously in multiplayer that's gonna be an actual problem

[whole jewel]

Area Zero has an issue a little like that on Delta. One of the loot methods is respawning loot chests, and 1 refills every 2 minutes. It's a scramble to find one that's not looted sometimes. Dowsing, though, is per-player.

[sweet crypt]

Ig multiplayer in these sorts of games just isn't ideal if the players don't start at the same time

[sweet crypt]

The 3 chest I've found so far have all been looted 🇸🇰

Wrong emoji kmfao

OK wow I am typoing everything rn

[whole jewel]

I was gonna ask about the context on that emoji... XD

[sweet crypt]

I meant to type 💀

But yeah my timing is evidently terrible

What I did get though

Was chased by like 6 alphas simultaneously

Dw I escaped

(Somehow)

That was a bit of stupidly terrible luck

[whole jewel]

It's understandable. Most of what you get in the chests is revives, life orbs (I have a stack of them...), hyper potions, EV feathers, and mega stones.

[sweet crypt]

I will say, the battle tower is great for getting items

For whatever reason items just appear on the floor there

I have 0 clue why

[whole jewel]

Oh, people drop items.

[sweet crypt]

Well I'm not gonna complain

Rocky Helmets? Choice items? Life Orbs? Leftovers? Yes please

[whole jewel]

I know that raids give a ton of black belts, vests, and leftovers.

[sweet crypt]

Eviolite is neat but like

Name a single Eviolite mon that is better than its evolution in Singles

[whole jewel]

An argument can be made for scyther.

[sweet crypt]

Definitely not

[whole jewel]

Since its evolutions keep its same BST.

[sweet crypt]

Scyther's ass is like NU

It has to suffer 50% chip every time it swaps in if it uses Eviolite

Because of the Omnipresence of Stealth Rocks

Scizor is like, UU, Kleavor's RU or something

Remember, if you're holding an Eviolite, you are not holding Heavy Duty Boots or Leftovers

And you're also being far more reliant on items than your evolution

Which means that you don't want to get hit by Knock Off

AKA another omnipresent move

[whole jewel]

Oh, that's the other reason I don't bother with the gym challenge: because of the smogon-style rules that change every season. >_>;

[sweet crypt]

I'm surprised (but glad) you didn't bring up Dusclops or P2

[whole jewel]

Training up a team only to find that the new season banned your current strat.

[sweet crypt]

I've went into extensive detail on how Dusclops is worse than Dusknoir in Singles

And how it doesn't even matter

Because they're both hot garbage that should never be used

[whole jewel]

Oh! We actually have doubles now.

[sweet crypt]

Porygon2 and Porygon-Z have completely separate niches

[whole jewel]

I don't think any gym leaders specialize in doubles, or triples, but they COULD.

[sweet crypt]

One is an eviolite mixed wall and the other is a special wallbreaker

[whole jewel]

God, I want a gym leader to specialize in triple battles now... XD

[sweet crypt]

And Porygon-Z has substantially more generations in higher tiers than P2

And whenever P2 gains a lead, it's like a half a tier lead or singular tier lead

I've researched this stuff a lot since I hate misinformation

And misinformation on eviolite is VERY common

At this point, even more common than the idea that FEAR is unstoppable

[whole jewel]

There hasn't been a new FEAR game in over a decade, so I would argue that it's very stoppable. :v

But yeah. Eviolite is pretty niche. I think I've only really seen it on... Chansey stalls?

[boreal storm]

Pocket Monster

[whole jewel]

Anyway, I was just saying that the paradox Genesect is really cool (essentially being a mix of Genesect and dragapult), but it's the reward for doing Ultra Recon Squad content and grinding ultra wormholes, and I don't know if I have it in me to grind wormholes for 32 levels...

[unkempt egret]

ok this is off topic but

WHY does slowpoke learn ME FIRST as an egg move

also for eviolite yea I mostly just see it on P2 and the (much more rare) chansey stall unless it's me screwing around with in-game stuff

but yea losing out on Leftovers, a power boost, or heavy duty boots Safe Switcher is a lot more critical than most assume

hence why we've never heard of anyone trying eviolite duraludon since it generally prefers... offensive items I think?

let me check what it does use

expert belt and...

ok who's drunk and using eject pack.

[sweet crypt]

I dont even think people use Chansey anymore

[whole jewel]

Not to mention that Archaludon os just... Good. It's everything h. Goodra wishes it was. :I

[unkempt egret]

--> draco meteor

ok understandable have a nice day I guess

[sweet crypt]

Like even on hardcore ultrastall teams with Blissey+Chansey

[whole jewel]

I haven't paid attention to the competetive scene in at least a decade. Probably more.

[sweet crypt]

Those don't exist anymore do they?

[unkempt egret]

but yea usually if I see P2 it's in doubles, not singles

[sweet crypt]

P2 is pretty good in Singles lower tiers

[unkempt egret]

which comparing doubles and singles is like comparing elephants and elephant seals lol

[whole jewel]

When I look at competetive pokemon now it looks like... Competetive YuGiOh.

[unkempt egret]

also looking at my list, stunfisk also gets me first

[sweet crypt]

I dont think Competitive Pokenon is too complicated on paper

[whole jewel]

Like, how did you get an electric air balloon shedinja, and why does it have every stat +6?

[unkempt egret]

like slowbro/king at least gets trick room I guess?

[sweet crypt]

But the execution of competitive is definitely tough

[sweet crypt]

Clickbait thumbnails

[unkempt egret]

kinda reminds me of just how few things got trump card before it got axed

[sweet crypt]

Also, Tera Electric Air Balloon? Seriously? Bro is asking to get murdered by Stealth Rocks

Just run HDB and play the funny game of "Guess the Tera Type or instantly fucking lose"

[whole jewel]

I'm exaggerating a little, but not thumbnails. I used to get a lot of Showdown stuff in my Youtube Shorts feed.

[unkempt egret]

either hazards (singles) or the thing gets ruined by redirection before it even gets started (doubles)

[sweet crypt]

Shedinja is uncompetitive, not because it's just some omega sweeper like Calyrex or Mgengar, but because of the sheer RNG factor of it all

[whole jewel]

Also... There are moves that remove hazards. >.>

[sweet crypt]

Either run something like Lunala or NDM, or guess between 18 fucking types

[tacit cedar]

What game are we talking about

[sweet crypt]

NatDex Ubers pre Shedinja, Calyrex Shadow and MGengar ban

[sweet crypt]

At least for this specific message

And the ones it is linked to

[tacit cedar]

Never heard of those games

Oh crap

Oh crap

Wrong reply

[sweet crypt]

It isn't gonna be ending games as effortlessly as Calyrex Shadow or Mega Gengar, but it is matchup fishy as shit and it isn't fun

[unkempt egret]

right, if something wins and loses on team preview (give or take the "guess the tera type" stuff) rather than anything done in the actual battle then yea that's 🧀 of some form

[tacit cedar]

What are theses names

[sweet crypt]

Pokemon names

[tacit cedar]

I just need context

[sweet crypt]

NatDex Ubers is a format on Smogon that emulates what it'd be like if every Pokemon, move and generational gimmick (except for Dynamax, fuck Dynamax) existed at the same time

Banning only extremely uncompetitive Pokemon such as the previously mentioned 3

You cannot take an Ubers ban in any form lightly

[tacit cedar]

Of every gen

[sweet crypt]

AG usually only has at 1 Pokemon or less

[sweet crypt]

Yup

[sweet crypt]

So to see 3 Pokemon leave for AG, every single one having deserved it thoroughly

Is a bit crazy

Miraidon and Mega Rayquaza were banned afterwards, alongside Assist, and I want to note how Rayquaza was considered the side ban

Assist is "Have an Extreme Killer Arceus or stay here for the next 1000 turns"

[tacit cedar]

So a mega evolved blazzkin can go against I terrized evee

[sweet crypt]

You don't even win with Assist

You unnecessarily prolong games until the turn limit

Either forcing your opponent to suffer with you, or forfeit

Absolutely disgusting

[tacit cedar]

Where can I download the game

Tell me mow

[sweet crypt]

Showdown is a browser based game

Though it's all PVP

NatDex AG is no longer a ladder solely because of Assist

[tacit cedar]

I can't play anymore

[sweet crypt]

Liepard is officially as broken as Eternamax Eternatus in some ways

[sweet crypt]

You can still play NatDex Ubers

Which is just NatDex AG but not as ridiculous

[sweet crypt]

Both got a metagame that was previously played by many removed from the ladder

The idea of a Liepard being as broken as Emax Eternatus in one aspect is absolutely wild

[whole jewel]

Do tell. >.>

[sweet crypt]

Basically, Liepard uses Prankster Assist to use Revival Blessing, prolonging matches to the Smogon 1000 turn limit

[whole jewel]

I'm not a competetive player, but I do enjoy making competetive players rage by exploiting cheese sometimes. XD

[sweet crypt]

If you don't have Extreme Killer Arceus or Extreme Killer Rayquaza, you just forfeit and lose elo because of it

Or you stay there for 1000 fucking turns

It is an absolutely vile and revolting strategy

The only one more disgusting is Funbro

Because this strategy doesn't aim to win

It aims to torture

[whole jewel]

I seeee. >.>

[sweet crypt]

If you couldn't tell, I really REALLY hate people who only want to waste time