other-pokemon-games

[vital flare]

too many types? idk figuring the type matchups would be a chore 😂

[rapid granite]

rate my current scarlet team: meowscarada, armarouge, tinkaton, gholdengo, archaludon, rayquaza

[last egret]

Pokémon Black/White

Good story, not super hard and no fakemon

[smoky gyro]

Emerald Kaizo

Trust me bro

[tight ivy]

D/P/Pt

[smoky gyro]

Isnt cynthia hard

[tight ivy]

Not super hard

S/M had a horrible story

[sweet crypt]

I mean if you want a good story I'd say probably the Gen 5 games or SV or something

[smoky gyro]

I have 0 sense of difficulty cause every pokemon game I play I always overleveled

[sweet crypt]

They're also both not hard by default, since the main line games are just not difficult across the board if you ignore the Volo fight and maybe the BDSP Cynthia fight

[smoky gyro]

Ive also heard the e4 being hard in bw

[sweet crypt]

I didn't struggle with them much personally

So either I'm a lot better than I give myself credit for

Or those people are a lot worse than I give them credit for

It's just that when battling an ai, it's never gonna be difficult unless youre doing a challenge run on set mode that disallows healing with items in battle

By default I don't heal with items in battle though

And that's evidently not enough to make the game not easy

Of course, this is not a problem with the game, I don't think it needs to be difficult

Especially considering the target demographic

There's a reason why a lot of the older pokemon battles are overexaggerated in difficulty by the fanbase

And that's because they were literal 8 year olds when fighting them

Maybe even 7 idk

Now imagine that same 7 year old fighting Geeta

And she leads with Glimmora, ends with Sucker Punch Tera Flying Supreme Overlord Kingambit

And has a Speed Boost Calm Mind Espathra and Baxcalibur

Yeah that kid is rage quitting

[tight granite]

bad taste over here

[tight ivy]

Generations tier list by meta game

[sweet crypt]

That said, L:A would definitely be far too extreme for a child

At least in terms of difficulty

[tight ivy]

By story

[sweet crypt]

That Volo fight is probably the only truly hard battle in main series Pokemon

[tight ivy]

Yeahhh

[sweet crypt]

8 Pokemon, 2 are an omniboosted Giratina, in a game where its likely that your opponent is able to attack you with a SE hit as soon as you KO one of their Pokemon

I dont see how any other battle could even come close to this one

The only other fight I see people throw around are BWB2W2 Cynthia and BDSP Cynthia

I've fought both

And I think only really BDSP Cynthia could maybe be considered hard

But I first tried both of them so gg ez lol

[tight ivy]

FLASHBACKS

RESORT FLASHBACKS

[sweet crypt]

I think I lost once to the Elite 4 because I wasn't fully prepared for it though

Like I had heard rumours of the Elite 4 by that point

But I didn't know to what extent it went

[tight ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/cinthya-pokemon-gif-26942656

[sweet crypt]

Simply should've said no

She can't fight you without consent

(Seriously, you can just say no)

(At least it one of the games, technically 2 but shh)

Ig maybe some of the post game stuff could actually be hard

Like I've heard the battle facilities in emerald where you have to work with random Pokemon are difficult

But I suspect that the random Pokemon part is part of the reason why

And ig later levels of the battle gauntlets

Where people start pulling out legendaries and shit

[tight ivy]

I thought the battle was forced in that beach house

[sweet crypt]

But even then it's probably more so the gauntlet in general than any single trainer

The Bulbapedia page says nothing about it being forced, and I think I remember seeing an option to say no

Ofc I didn't say no since I literally went into that house with the sole purpose of fighting Cynthia

I will say, I have not fought Cynthia in the Gen 4 games

But considering how BDSP Cynthia is just that Cynthia on drugs

I dont think that matters

It's not like I spent my time using fuCKING SMEARGLE TO SKETCH ICICLE CRASH TO BREED IT ONTO A MAMOSWINE OR WEAVILE

Can you tell I find that fucking bullshit ridiculous?

Literally the only method to get Icicle Crash on them in BDSP

Like wtf

Fucking

Sketch Smeargle

[vital flare]

Smeargle can be used to give mons eggmoves?

[sweet crypt]

BTW there's a single natural Icicle Crash user in BDSP

And that's fucking Cloyster

Who isn't in the wild

SO YOU HAVE TO CATCH A SHELLDER

[tight ivy]

If you have it learn Icicle Crash via Mirror Herb in SV, and transfer it back to BDSP, can’t you have it relearn it then?

[sweet crypt]

EVOLVE IT

TEACH IT ICICLE CRASH

GET INTO A DOUBLE BATTLE

ICICLE CRASH THE OPPONENT

THEN SKETCH IT WITH SMEARGLE

WHY????

Oh BTW Icicle Crash on Cloyster?

Level 1 move because it is a stone evolution

So you also need move relearner

[frigid thunder]

Is bro a keeper

The answer is yes

[tight ivy]

We won’t know until we know it’s stats and nature

[gusty umbra]

looks cool, catch it

[frigid thunder]

I love my stupid rock baby

[quick tartan]

Not sure if it goes here, but does anyone have info on the server for a different fan game (Emerald Elite Redux)?

[sweet crypt]

I can send you the invite via dms

[dense beacon]

Dose anyone know if there are any Pokémon coliseum or xd remakes

It was my favorite growing up

[fair solar]

Me with pkhex and a trade bot:

[coarse estuary]

little update. ive made it through aether paradice and am onto the last island of the run in my no dealing direct damage ultra moon run

[broken crater]

He cant sleep normally

[unkempt egret]

flip turned itself sideways

meanwhile mine had a photobomber today

[sweet crypt]

Apparently multi hit moves in PMD do the same damage as the BP of all the hits hitting in base Pokemon while still being multihit...

Yknow I only knew that Skitty had a STAB room clear move with 110 BP (+Normalise boost)

I didn't know she was also carrying a fucking nuclear bomb with her in the form of Double Slap

... Would this mean that if Maushold was ever in a PMD game, it would have a 200 BP move that hits up to 10 times?

[deep oasis]

Early game

[mighty robin]

this is the only legitimate shiny I have caught, other than lake of rage and PLA ponyta

didn't send earlier

[bold minnow]

Ooo, pretty

[sweet crypt]

You could theoretically get the ridiculous 5050 BP Last Respects in a Smogon game with a combination of multiple Lunar Dance users and Revival Blessing

But if anyone actually let you do it they have chronic skill issue

Still, that means that it is now technically possible to obtain in Competitive Singles

I thought that it only really could happen with 95 Revives beforehand

For context, this is what Basculegion with a maxed out Last Respects is capable of doing

(Proof that the calc accounts for the same type twice giving a double resist)

I still don't know why Last Respects caps at 100 KOs

[frigid thunder]

Is my team good

[gusty umbra]

yes

[sweet crypt]

What did Darumaka do to you

[frigid thunder]

Lost once

[sweet crypt]

Is this like a nuzlocke or something and darumaka died but you were too lazy to remove it from your team

[frigid thunder]

Nah just don’t like him

[sweet crypt]

Rude

I know Hustle can be an annoying ability at times but simply just land your hits

Then simply evolve

Very easy

[upper glen]

What would happen if every plush/prop/piece of Pokémon merch that was to-scale/close to-scale became real? (So every to-scale plush (except Rayquaza and Wailord), Joltik, Kartana even tho it's 6 in taller than it's dex measurements, and the IRL Miraidon bike)

[broken crater]

W or L

[tight granite]

card certainly fucks up my Blain Deck

none of the cards survive a 100 attack and me not being able to play supporter cards ruins my plays

[broken crater]

and its gengar

so youll get destroyed by epicness

[gusty umbra]

What about those e-max eternatus plushies

[tight ivy]

Bad nature

What are its IVs?

[sweet crypt]

Even just normal Eternatus plushies would be overwhelming

Even more so than every other Pokemon that isn't Gmax

[sweet crypt]

I just learnt that people are disappointed Diggersby only gained the ground type from Bunnelby

And I'm like ??????

"Yeah Mega Rayquaza is cool but it should've had 201 speed to outspeed Deoxys Speed and Regieleki"

They could've literally just kept Diggersby as a pure Normal type

AND NOBODY WOULD COMPLAIN

BECAUSE THEY'VE DONE SO FOR 4 OF THE PRIOR GENERATIONS

Not to mention that Ground is a strong contender for top 5 best types in the game

[brisk hedge]

NGL, I regularly forget that Diggersby exists

[tight ivy]

Diggersby is underrated

[lyric radish]

he would be WAY to strong hes already one of the top 5 if not top 3 strongest pokemons already making him the fastest pokemon too would be way too good

he has 115 and thats still good since he gets Ddance

[sweet crypt]

No fucking shit, sherlock

[tight ivy]

Me: There are no “cute” Pokémon. Only the strong exist.
Also me:

one sec

[sweet crypt]

In fact, remove the "would"

Mega Rayquaza is already too strong

[tight ivy]

so rude

[sweet crypt]

The point I'm making is that asking for more on something that's already good is stupid

[lyric radish]

hes 75th fastest mon in the game already xd

[tight ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/surprised-pikachu-pokemon-shock-surprised-pikachu-gif-15357817

[sweet crypt]

Diggersby's type is already good as is

[lyric radish]

its just the mon that sucks ass

[sweet crypt]

There's literally 2 other early route normal types that aren't Mono normal

[sweet crypt]

UUBL

So uhh

Wrong

False

Incorrect

[tight ivy]

Favorites by cuteness

[sweet crypt]

STAB Huge Power Quick Attack backed up up Earthquakes for the resists

There is no doubt about it-Diggersby is already a very strong Pokemon in its own right

UUBL in like the earlier gens it was in

RUBL in Gen 8

Let me check the exact details actually

Yup, banned from UU in Gens 6 and 7

Banned from RU in Gen 8

Calling Diggersby weak is like calling Azumarill weak

It's ignorant

To put things into perspective, Diggersby with Huge Power has an effective attack stat of 161.5

For lack of a better term

Because it is in between 161 and 162

Huge Power doubles the BP of every physical move by 2×, having the same effect as doubling Attack (as well as boosting Foul Play and Body Press)

I want to note that despite being RUBL in Gen 8, Diggersby is ranked as the 5th best Pokemon in Gen 8 UU

Behind only Cobalion, Scizor, Salamence and Nihilego in that order

And ahead of Pokemon who are as well respected as Chansey and Excadrill

Call it shit all you want, all that means is that Hydreigon is shit as well

Even more shit than Diggersby even

[broken crater]

wheres buzzwole?

such a cute pokemon

[tight ivy]

Mansquito

[mighty robin]

I have no clue. That’s just an old picture I dug up in my gallery.

tho I could try to find it again, I just gotta figure out what game it’s in

[sweet crypt]

Ngl Gamefreak hates the Psychic Type, ignoring me insisting it is a bad type

Gen 2 nerf was justified

They added Knock Off in Gen 3 which was a sign for bad things to come, but thankfully it isn't high damage yet

Then Gen 4 added U-Turn

Gen 6 buffed the Dark and Ghost type a massive amount

Gen 7 added First Impression

[broken crater]

spooky

[sweet crypt]

Gen 8 removed Pursuit which sounds good right?

WRONG, Ghost types upon ye

[broken crater]

scary

[sweet crypt]

Gen 6 also buffed Knock Off to deal major damage

And then just look at the Gen 9 metagame

[broken crater]

yk what?

https://tenor.com/view/didnt-ask-meme-jojo-stando-stand-user-gif-20396281

[sweet crypt]

Jokes on you, my stand is Made In Heaven, and you were just 2 steps too late

[broken crater]

You wished

[sweet crypt]

Anyways, the point I'm making is

[broken crater]

THIS IS THE TRUE POWER OF GOLDEN WIND REQUIEM

[sweet crypt]

Psychic needs a buff

We need to stop having Psychic type Ls every other generation

[broken crater]

mowtew

[sweet crypt]

They've nerfed Psychic to be a "Jack of all trades"

Except, if you remember my analogy

Jack sucks at everything

Its offensive presence is underwhelming at best

And its defensive prowess is almost as dogshit as Ice

Except Ice is actually scary as fuck offensively

Comparing it to Ice is an insult to what the Ice type does best

[smoky gyro]

Make psychic super effective against dark

:)

[broken crater]

Nah

It would be logic that psychic is super effective to normal

Cuz normal people couldnt beat psychic powers

[sweet crypt]

OK but normal really doesn't need a nerf

I think making it resisted by Dark would be fair

Maybe make it neutral/SE to steel, I get that Steel was made to check Psychic but like, the Psychic boosting item is a twisted metal spoon

[smoky gyro]

I think keeping the dark immunity is fine

I like how immunities currently are

But I do think giving psychic more super effective/neutral hits would be nice

Like maybe the steel idea or like rock

Considering Sabrinas sprite art

Actually

Here me out

What about a psychic equivalent to freeze dry but for dark types

[sweet crypt]

Rock does not need a nerf either

And if it were to need a nerf it'd be a nerf to its offensive pressure

But it really shouldn't be nerfed

Rock is a similar type to Ice

High offensive pressure and poor defensive presence

But then the majority of the Pokemon are slow walls or breakers

[unkempt egret]

more of a readjustment of stat placement priorities lol

"born to deoxys A forced to shuckle"

[sweet crypt]

Yeah for sure

No need for a buff or nerf, just an actual fast rock type and actual fucking accurate rock STAB that isn't 80 BP AT BEST

And at least if you're making it inaccurate make it high reward

And not just 100 BP with 80 accuracy

[unkempt egret]

imagine if we had a 90 power 100 accuracy moves with a 10% secondary effect for all 18 types on both sides of the split rather than just a few

[sweet crypt]

Imagine if Moonblast was actually a 90 Power move with a 10% secondary effect

Instead of a fucking

95 power

With a 30% secondary effect

And higher PP than the 90 BP moves

It's like they modelled it after pre nerf Flamethrower

[unkempt egret]

"special treatment"

[sweet crypt]

And the others

But forgot they nerfed them the exact same generation

[unkempt egret]

isn't sludge wave also 95 still or did that also get down to 90

[sweet crypt]

Sludge Wave is still 95

Probably because Sludge Bomb exists

Now to be fair

I'd much rather get a -SpA than a burn, paralysis, freeze or poison

[upper glen]

Those aren't life-sized.

[versed hazel]

rock type suffering the most now

[unkempt egret]

yea the only ones at 100 are smack down which is used more for secondary effect flavor at 50 base power, power gem which used to just be a flavor coverage move until gen 6 or 7, ancientpower which is a stepping-stone midgame move, and two signature moves (a priority move on something with 115 base speed and mighty cleave which I keep thinking is kleavor's and not iron bouder's)

so yea the list of rock types that get to sit easy there are uuuuh, Iron boulder, lunatone, probopass (slow) ,Diancie (if you're running special), Minior (again, if you're running special), and glimmora. Extending into TMs there's magcargo (lol), tyranitar if it's running special for some reason, and iron thorns I think?

...and I guess technically lycanroc-midnight by virtue of just ignoring accuracy alltogether lol

[sweet crypt]

To be fair, Diamond Storm's imperfect accuracy is definitely made up for by damage (and the secondary effect)

If it wasn't for the fact that physical fairy type options are ass, ass and signature move of the fucking Fairy Starmobile, maybe, just maybe, it would run physical

... Well, it probably already does already run some form of a physical set

... physical defence, that is

[smoky gyro]

Man istg these showdown players have zero patience

[versed hazel]

even then power gem is just mid

[gusty umbra]

I wasn't saying they are. I said it as e-max eternatus is MASSIVE

[boreal storm]

Did you say MASSIVE?

Did you know what else is MASSIVE?

https://tenor.com/view/low-taper-fade-ninja-massive-the-meme-is-still-massive-yeah-no-massive-gif-9995754776955392143

[languid girder]

Finally got back to finishing Violet so I could access that game's version of Area Zero. Here's my "Hall of Fame" team for the run!

[smoky gyro]

These guys always think leaving last second will stall me longer

[brisk hedge]

After 1 turn too lol

[smoky gyro]

Bro did not expect the overheat

[median nacelle]

Hate when people do that
Just timer stall because they might lose, or made a bad move

[smoky gyro]

I just start another match tbh

Or play another game

You aint wasting my time mate

[median nacelle]

Fair enough

[unkempt egret]

"frick, do-over."
"...no takers?"

[sweet crypt]

This just radiates low ladder energy

And it is

I didn't see the ratings though

[smoky gyro]

1k

[sweet crypt]

Just that it's so obvious when something is low ladder

[smoky gyro]

Which is rhe lowest

So yes youre right

[sweet crypt]

I know that

Is this RandBats

[smoky gyro]

I dont tryhard showdown I just play random battles when Im bored

Yep

[sweet crypt]

Life Orb Overheat Zebstrika and Alolan Dugtrio aren't exactly common

[smoky gyro]

Randbat gave me so much more appreciation to some of the more uncommon mons

Like the illumise volbeat line

Also ambipom

[sweet crypt]

Ngl RandBats makes me dislike Illumise and Volbeat more

They're such fucking pricks to fight

So many shitmons become annoying pieces of shit

Dunsparce is another

[broken crater]

Budew

[sweet crypt]

I literally got a team that got 6-0d by Chimecho once, with my lead being unable to do much vs it

Then my opponent got lead Chimecho

Agony

[broken crater]

Wooper with eviolite is able to survive much

[sweet crypt]

Is bro playing LC RandBats

I'm talking about normal RandBats I can't say what LC mons are shitmons in terms of LC since I don't know LC well

I heard there was a nasty Skowvet set when it was new though

[broken crater]

No Just in general

[sweet crypt]

And I don't think that's a common LC pick

[sweet crypt]

Oh you're trolling alright

[broken crater]

Nah

Wooper with eviolite is genuinly able to survive most hits

[sweet crypt]

Alright then tell me

What does it do next?

10, 20% of damage?

[broken crater]

Spikes or yawn maybe toxic

[sweet crypt]

And what if it gets Knock Offed?

And why not just use Quagsire/Clodsire?

The former not even being good in most contexts outside of Ubers

[broken crater]

Bc wooper is cuter

Plus I said its able to survive

You Just made up the fact that means thats a good pokemon to fight with

Which I never said

[smoky gyro]

Cosmic power set? Lmao

[sweet crypt]

I forgot what set it was

[smoky gyro]

Arkoos psychic has that set too

[sweet crypt]

I know it was a set up set though

I think maybe Calm Mind?

I think it also had Recover

Which did not help things at all

[smoky gyro]

Cosmic power stored power dazzling gleam recover

Thats the set I remember

[sweet crypt]

That could be it

Has Chimecho ever gotten Calm Mind in RandBats though?

Because I could've sworn it was a Calm Mind set

But yeah either ways I was helpless to stop the sweep

Sometimes RandBats is just like that

[smoky gyro]

I dont remember a calm mind set

Sometimes you just get a deoxys attack that one shots everything

[sweet crypt]

Would you rather get a hazard setter set with Smeargle or the Tidy Up PopBomb set?

[smoky gyro]

Definitely the sweeper set

The harzard set is so mid imo

Smeargle isnt tanky enough to get consistent harzards

[sweet crypt]

What do you think is the best Pokemon in the metagame?

I'm genuinely curious since I've seen a lot of RandBats content and played a decent amount myself but I'm still unsure on what I'd call the best

[smoky gyro]

Some form of set up sweeper

I really like maushold

Purely cause of encore

[smoky gyro]

Honestly espathra is kinda stupid

The calm mind stored power set

[broken crater]

Fighting tera type triage buzzwole

[sweet crypt]

It's banned from OU for a reason

[broken crater]

Best gen 8 fossil competitivly?

[sweet crypt]

Dracovish and it's not close

Both Arctozolt and Dracozolt are also good

Arctovish on the other hand...

[unkempt egret]

the good ol "resistances are irrelevant. immunities or you're dead" dracovish.

[sweet crypt]

Quite a few Pokemon like that

[unkempt egret]

(and zolt but zolt has an entire type immune to it and a lack of 100% accuracy)

[sweet crypt]

Dracovish isn't even the first

[unkempt egret]

I forget is arctozolt mostly a trick room mon or does it get by off its offensive type

[sweet crypt]

Offensive type and Slush Rush

Iirc

[unkempt egret]

Aaaah right I forgot it got slush rush

[sweet crypt]

You know you're a bit fucked up when your quad resisted STAB hits Palkia for 50%

Undersized orca W

Ig Dracovish can do similar damage even without the rain tbf

Assuming Palkia switches in

Fishious Rend should apply the damage boost if your opponent swaps to something else iirc

However, Dracovish is slower than Kyogre, frailer than Kyogre, and more dependant on its nuclear warhead than Kyogre

You also can't send it in on Groudon with reckless abandon

Since the sun allows Groudon to tank a hit

[distant badge]

Here me out fan game where pokemons have stands

[sweet crypt]

I can already tell Regieleki's is Made In Heaven

[jovial topaz]

Omg the ralts are taking over the world

[worthy tide]

peak pokemon design 🗣️ 🔥

[viscid pelican]

Pokémon Cope right?

I've seen some of the designs in that ROM and they're amazing. I won't spoil anything though.

[worthy tide]

oh wow I wasn't expecting someone to get it

is it as popular as clover?

[viscid pelican]

It's basically non-racist Clover

Think the same person made sprites for Cope too

[boreal storm]

Did you guys heard of the new romhack project called Ruby 2?

[smoky siren]

anyone have a titoral to download pokemon to many types i look online no good vids

im in the discored for it

[vital flare]

jaiden animation has playthrought vid some of the types can be learnt from it

including reverse type

[real latch]

not to be like a complete dummy, but what does the eon ticket do... bcs i just randomly found out i got one from streetpass awhile back in OR

[vital flare]

you get to fight the other eon twin and catch it with it

[real latch]

ohh

so i can get both in one game

neat

[vital flare]

yup just talk to your dad if you have your megaring on the save

(norman)

[real latch]

sweet

are they shiny locked?

i forget

[vital flare]

i think so not entirely sure tho

[real latch]

also i'm assuming there's no way to get 3ds pokemon onto pokemon home

[vital flare]

pokebank still works i think

[tight ivy]

Once you transfer them, they’re gone for good

Oh, I thought you meant the other way around

No, you can transfer 3DS Pokémon onto Pokémon HOME

[real latch]

got it

yeahh i still gotta get around to modding my ds to have pokebank

lol

bcs there are some mons i would like on home that aren't in games there

[pine ingot]

Not a game but..

from good ol evolutions

[smoky siren]

HOW MUCH IS THAT WORTH

[empty ingot]

.....

Someone please tell me you can catch Magnemite in Pokemon Legends Arceus in the post-game...

[fierce ember]

Why couldn't you

[empty ingot]

So far I've only gotten Magnetons from the time-space distortions

So either I'm gonna need to find someone to trade with or play through the whole ass game until I get to Cobalt Coastlines

[fierce ember]

I'm pretty sure you can get Magnemite

Prob just unlucky

Or rather very lucky

[empty ingot]

I'll let ya know come next big dome

[empty ingot]

I mean, I DID get a Shiny H. Quilfish

[empty ingot]

I got the mite aaaaand immediately got ganged up by Rhydons

[modern acorn]

Is it allowed to talk or mention others pokemons hackroms ?

Cause i'm actually looking for more

[fierce ember]

Niice

[smoky gyro]

Fan games? Yes

[gusty umbra]

https://tenor.com/view/old-captain-america-time-avengers-gif-14574867

is it wild to say B/W and B2/W2 are the best actual pokemon games

[hexed comet]

I'm tryna evolve dunsparce in Pokemon go but I don't get an option, dudunsparce is in the game right?

[boreal storm]

Am I the only one who actually like Enamorus? Also wth is that pfp

[empty ingot]

....you're gonna try and dunk on the gif my friend made as a gift after defending Enamorus?

[brisk hedge]

Enamorus is a Pokémon that looks feminine. You’re PFP on the other hand… well I’m not going to elaborate

[tight ivy]

What the fuck

Gen V Pokémon were horrible

The story was fantastic, but the metagame? Nahhh

Gen 10 better be a Unova remake

We need to go back to NYC

[tight ivy]

Trash nature

[lyric radish]

next games is gen 5 remake

[tight ivy]

No, it’s Kalos

You mean Z-A?

[lyric radish]

isent that gen5...

ye z-z

z-a

[smoky gyro]

Kalos is gen 6

[tight ivy]

No, that’s Gen VI

[lyric radish]

my brain aint braining ig

[smoky gyro]

Gen 5 is unova

[lyric radish]

who was the starters in gen 5 then???

[brisk hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/choose-your-starter-pokemon-pokemon-black-and-white-pokemon-snivy-pokemon-tepig-pokemon-oshawott-gif-23785592

[smoky gyro]

Snivy tepig oshawott

[tight ivy]

It’s OK. I’m 31 and I’m starting to forget Pokémon.

Moreso the more recent ones

[brisk hedge]

Quick, replay all of the games

Except Let's Go, you can ignore those because they sucked

[tight ivy]

I could.

[lyric radish]

what is the best "old" game like below gen 7

[tight ivy]

I also have my Gameboy somewhere

[lyric radish]

i got gameboy 3ds and nitendo and a few games i just dont know what game to get

[brisk hedge]

Why do you have 2 copies of Black 2 and 2 copies of White 2?

[tight ivy]

Gen IV

[lyric radish]

isent that ruby?

is ruby gen 3 then?

[tight ivy]

I needed more storage, so I bought two extra copies from GameStop

IIRC

That was ages ago though

Oh, here it is. Found the photo I took

[lyric radish]

... is it gen 2 we ageed its not 3,4 or 5 i know its not 6, 7, 8 or 9 and its not gen 1

oh gen 4 is plat i already got platinum

i got BDSP and platinum

[brisk hedge]

We literally just said it's gen 3

[lyric radish]

oh i just looked closer at the reaction WHY IS IT SO CURSED AND SO ALIKE

it looks lika a femboy

[lyric radish]

anything but platinum?

[tight ivy]

what

[lyric radish]

i need a game to play

[tight ivy]

Platinum was one of the best

[lyric radish]

i have plat

thats why

i want a new game to play

[tight ivy]

Oh I see what you mean

[brisk hedge]

Gen 1 - RBY
Gen 2 - GSC
Gen 3 - RSE + FRLG
Gen 4 - DPP + HGSS
Gen 5 - BW + B2W2
Gen 6 - XY + ORAS
Gen 7 - SM + USUM + Let's Go (Ew)
Gen 8 - SWSH + BDSP + Legends Arceus
Gen 9 - SV

For future reference

[tight ivy]

NOOOOO

You monster, that’s why I was typing

[lyric radish]

i got omega ruby i have no idea what gsc is or rse frlg dpp hgss...

[brisk hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/evil-laugh-gif-1246054594903804985

[lyric radish]

i got sun and UM got both let's go got BDSP and leg arc

brb

[brisk hedge]

Gold Silver Crystal, Ruby Sapphire Emerald, Fire Red and Leaf Green, Diamond Pearl Platinum, Heart Gold and Soul Silver

[tight ivy]

Gen I: R/B/Y
Gen II: G/S/C
Gen III: R/S/E, FR/LG and OR/AS
Gen IV: D/P/Pt and BD/SP
Gen V: B/W and B2/W2
Gen VI: X/Y
Gen VII: S/M, US/UM (shit)
Gen VIII: SW/SH
Gen IX: S/V

[brisk hedge]

ORAS isn't gen 3 and BDSP isn't gen 4

[tight ivy]

Technically speaking, they are

[brisk hedge]

Technically speaking, they aren't

[tight ivy]

Drop it. It’s too early in the morning and too late for me to argue

[lyric radish]

back

so i now have a listof all games but wich one is best?

[brisk hedge]

Platinum, HGSS, BW and B2W2

[lyric radish]

I got plat and omega ruby

So which do i get BW B2W2 or HGSS

[tight ivy]

HGSS

https://tenor.com/view/nintendo-ds-pokemon-heart-gold-soul-silver-ds-gif-24618269

[brisk hedge]

The only good version of following Pokémon

[tight ivy]

S/V has a good “follow” mechanic

I’ll give it that

The follow mechanic in SWSH was terrible

THE WAY SPIRITOMB FOLLOWS

[brisk hedge]

A lot of Pokémon in SV move too slow

Auto battling is nice though

[unkempt egret]

I think listing frlg as gen 3 is the oddity lol

[unkempt egret]

but yea HG/SS has the most content, platinum is the biggest glow-up from its base game, B2/W2 feels like the best (ish) overall and I have a soft spot for SM

[brisk hedge]

FRLG is gen 3, HGSS is gen 4, ORAS is gen 6, let's Go (ew) is gen 7 and BDSP is gen 8

[unkempt egret]

US/UM is odd for me? I feel like whichever one you play first you will hate the second between it and SM which for most people SM came first

[tight ivy]

US/UM had a terrible story, but the meta-game is great

[unkempt egret]

taken on their owns it's like 50/50. USUM flows better and has more QoL but SM has the plot and arguably a better climax fight

[brisk hedge]

I think SM has the better story, but USUM is better overall

[tight ivy]

Actually, I will say this about US/UM. The post game was good.

[unkempt egret]

also I count Lets GO as gen 8 (hot take I guess) but that is correct yea

actually I kinda disagree with official about a lot regarding lets GO rofl

[tight ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/giovanni-pokemon-team-rocket-rainbow-gif-23265477

[unkempt egret]

like with meltan not being a mythical when I can just catch them en masse in GO

[brisk hedge]

SWSH is the start of Gen 8

[unkempt egret]

Lets GO can't connect to the rest of the gen and is on a new console, that counts it for me. hence it being a hot take

it might be "officially" wrong but I reject the truth on it

[brisk hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/boo-gif-19787475173016375

[tight ivy]

All right, my dude, you’re dangerously close to being blocked

[unkempt egret]

that being said I do count it as being in the main series though

[brisk hedge]

I count Let's Go as being main series, just not as being good

[unkempt egret]

oddly enough my biggest issue is something they didn't bring from GO

[brisk hedge]

Pokémon past Gen 1?

[unkempt egret]

which is that there, pokemon can only flee after a failed catch (or running out of balls for raids) while in Lets go they can just flee whenever the heck they want

[brisk hedge]

How about just not making them able to flee period

[unkempt egret]

I can see that or at least give some indicator on it

instead of "hmm thanks for the berries I leave now"

"gee I see why they didn't bring back the safari zone after gen 5 chopped it"

[brisk hedge]

Technically there is an indicator, that being it will do an animation, but it's not exactly obvious

Plus, again, Pokémon being able to run away from you is just annoying

[tight granite]

Lef

[unkempt egret]

also card game not updating until tomorrow smh

thought it was today lol

[brisk hedge]

You know what they should bring back to the main series: secret bases

[pine ingot]

20$ ungraded

[pine ingot]

You already got the new set?

[tight granite]

Leaf isn't new

It's part of the Mew Pack

[tight granite]

.

[fiery creek]

This is the most expensive Pokémon card I have I think, it’s not even that rare

This is my favorite metal holo that I own, but it’s not worth much…

-# yes, I too collect the cardboard crack

[sweet crypt]

1: HGSS is gone
2: You arranged them in region order, not generational order
3: Where is L:A?

Oh also FRLG is also gone, as is Let's Go

Anyways

[brisk hedge]

FRLG is under Gen 3 (where it should be)

[sweet crypt]

Am blind

But wait then why is BDSP under Gen 4

And ORAS under Gen 3

Mild brainfart ignore that one

If you're gonna be wrong at least be consistently wrong

Gen 1: Red/Green/Blue/Yellow
Gen 2: Gold/Silver/Crystal
Gen 3: Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald, Fire Red/Leaf Green
Gen 4: Diamond/Pearl/Platinum, Heart Gold/Soul Silver
Gen 5: Black/White, Black 2/White 2
Gen 6: X/Y, Omega Ruby/Alpha Sapphire
Gen 7: Sun/Moon, Ultra Sun/Ultra Moon, Let's Go Pikachu/Eevee
Gen 8: Sword/Shield, Brilliant Diamond/Shining Pearl, Legends: Arceus
Gen 9: Scarlet/Violet, Legends: ZA

In terms of regional ordering...
Kanto: Red/Green/Blue/Yellow, Fire Red/Leaf Green, Let's Go Pikachu/Eevee
Johto: Gold/Silver/Crystal, Heart Gold/Soul Silver
Hoenn: Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald, Omega Ruby/Alpha Sapphire
Sinnoh: Diamond/Pearl/Platinum, Brilliant Diamond/Shining Pearl, Legends: Arceus (yes, I'm counting ancient sinnoh/hisui as sinnoh)
Unova: Black/White, Black 2/White 2
Kalos: X/Y, Legends: ZA
Alola: Sun/Moon, Ultra Sun/Ultra Moon
Galar: Sword/Shield
Paldea: Scarlet/Violet
You also get to go to Kanto in the Johto games and Kitakami as well as Blueberry Academy (which I think counts as Unova) in SV's DLC

A lot of people mistakenly order games by regions while calling it generational ordering

Quite a common mistake

Anyways let me know if I made an error anywhere

[hasty viper]

Hello who plays Pokémon TCGP

[sweet crypt]

I know quite a few poeple who do, though I don't

Gambling

1st gym leader is Crasher Wake in Rain

Spot my Swift Swim Buizel and Rain boosted Gyarados check!

I also get destroyed by a single wild Flamigo

So that's nice

I am never letting this game pick Pokemon for me ever again

Ivy has a Corviknight

The best bird vs this team

Fucking Alomomola

I hate this

Crasher Wake did not roll Gyarados on my ass

Thank god

It's a miracle

I have gotten past rainy lake with THIS team

Flamigo does outspeed Butterfree btw

Singular Flamigo one shot sweeps me

And now I'm being forced into a sea cycle

I swear if it's raining I'm just gonna abandon the run

Team Magma

Could be worse

Like Team Aqua

it's raining

Chat do I abandon the run

underwater

im dead as hell

The singular Barraskewda waiting to ambush me be like:

[somber carbon]

I'm trying to play pokemon emerald imperium on my pc and I can't figure out the controls for this emulator, it's visualboyadvance

[sweet crypt]

Butterfree has learnt Quiver Dance time to set up to +6

Max Mushroom, this is my ticket to victory

[sweet crypt]

That Magmortar tried to Focus Punch my Butterfree

[sweet crypt]

Eternamax phase was hitless

I'm sorry, Butterfree, I wasn't familiar with your game

[quick ruin]

Guys listen
I'm organizing a mini tournament (free of course) of Pokken tournament DX
If you are interested let me know privately

[tight ivy]

I forgot to add HGSS

[coarse estuary]

ive made it to the elite 4 in my no dealing direct damage run of ultra moon. will take it on tomorrow

[spare birch]

Upgraded version of Rom Hacks :

[sweet crypt]

On a scale of 1-10, 1 being easy and 10 being difficult, how would you rate the Big Stall run so far?

[spare birch]

Gen 1 : Pokemon Radical Red
Gen 2 : Pokemon Storm Silver
Gen 3 : Pokemon Inclement Emerauld
Gen 4 : Pokemon Light Platinum
Gen 5 : idk

[whole jewel]

Idunno about gen 5 rebuilds, but Reborn is built on gen 5's engine. I actually want to try that one out one day.

[vital flare]

Ooo reborn

[coarse estuary]

4

[whole jewel]

Yeah, it looks fun. Gyms of every type, styled after gen 3, everything up to gen 7 available in game, custom gimmick stuff...

[sweet crypt]

Glory to Big Stall

[mild rapids]

Yall fw insurgence?

[sweet crypt]

Had fun playing it for sure, though it wasn't anywhere near spoiler free, I actually first learnt of it before I even had any way of even playing an official Pokemon game

Watched a playthrough of it, see

[mild rapids]

Wild guess, was it tyranitartube?

[sweet crypt]

No, it was MandJTV's playthrough of it iirc

[mild rapids]

Just as goated honestly

[sweet crypt]

I think I was watching before the playthrough even finished but I'm not 100% sure

It wasn't even the longest series I've had to wait for new episodes for though

[mild rapids]

I got to where you find Audrey with the level 110 tentacrule and then my file got corrupted 😭

That was like a year ago and I'm still salty

[sweet crypt]

RIP

I know I didn't do a full 100% non randomiser playthrough but I do know I did a lot of the post game

I played with the rando a lot though randomisers are such chaos

Insurgency especially since it averages on the moment you get the encounter

One second, Xavier could be using a Mega Delta Scizor

The other he pulls out Mega Rayquaza on your ass

Assuming you lost to him and had to retry

[rapid plover]

Anyone here knows Pokemon TCG Pocket?

I wanna ask if this pack is god pack or not

[frigid knoll]

it is widiwally 1 am rn. why are the pokemon pocket servers so slow

[vernal garnet]

uh. i think thats a god pack....

[vernal garnet]

everyone in australia getting on for space-time smackdown

probably

or other countries in the same timezone

[broken crater]

new update

[empty ingot]

Aw yeah, been saving my hourglass to do some 10 pack pulls. Wonder if I'll get anything good

O H D A M N

[broken crater]

so nothing good?

[empty ingot]

Ehh....I mean, I like them.

I mean. At least the cards aren't nearly as gross as Celebi EX.

Though....can't this work well in tandem with, say, Machamp EX? Just let ya do a flat 200 to damn near everything? 🤔

[lyric radish]

ye but you dont even own them if im correct and this is that online game thingy like why why not get the real cards what do you do if they make a new app and doesent transfer card or smth couse thats something they would do thats what they did to irl cards

[empty ingot]

Well, I never pay for these and my IRL luck blows, so I can actually play the game to an extent

[boreal storm]

Those art looks amazing, it's like trying to show something about Dialga and Palkia different perspective

[scenic pewter]

Damn i do ten pull and get absolutely nothing

[broken crater]

Geal

[tight granite]

Bruh First ever pack and first card

[unkempt egret]

"the notes for this level just say "build onix." so..."

"aaaaay!"

[uneven blaze]

what game is that?

[wispy osprey]

you're cheating

there's no way you actually pulled that

[hushed locust]

pokemonTCGP it're free on the app store and google play store

[wispy osprey]

i love pokemon tcgp

im lowkey kind of addicted

[uneven blaze]

I have a older phone so i cant play it

[delicate nymph]

anyone know of any tcgp servers? im looking for trades lol

[vital bramble]

this motherfucker needs a 3rd form so bad what the fuck are tehse

[jovial topaz]

ikr

[sweet crypt]

Bro got that Camerupt ass stat spread

More BST than Camerupt though

Lmfao

[jovial topaz]

crazy

[sweet crypt]

Camerupt really needed an actual evolution instead of a mega

Because 460 BST is just depressing

Basculin's BST is 460 for reference

Except Basculin is far better than Camerupt because it has a better ability and its stat spread isn't complete and utter garbage

[vital bramble]

give me a water/ground geyser themed camerupt regional form with sap sipper and water spout

[sweet crypt]

Heck, not a better ability

[vital bramble]

even that might not be enough to save it but it would be cool

[sweet crypt]

Many better abilities

Give Camerupt an evolution first

I do not give a shit it has a Mega

Screw it

Give Camerupt an evolution

And make the Mega a Mega Evolution to that evolution

Extra like

50-70 BST

Same applies to Sharpedo

Like why do these evil team leader aces have such shitty stats

[jovial topaz]

i like mega kangaskhan or whatever for its ability, its not much but

yk

[sweet crypt]

Mega Kanga is one of the best Megas for sure

[jovial topaz]

ikr

[sweet crypt]

In Singles (and in Doubles but I'm a Singles player)

[jovial topaz]

tanky

[sweet crypt]

One of the few Megas to enter Ubers

Though, like most of the non legendary megas, it isn't good in Ubers

The main Mega Evolutions that come to mind in an Ubers context are Mega Mence, Mega Gengar and Mega Mewtwo Y, at least for me

[jovial topaz]

ye

s

[sweet crypt]

I know Mega Diancie is good in Gen 9 NatDex Ubers and that Mega Gengar is AG in the same format

But like

That's an unofficial format and I'm not too sure how Mega Diancie is in Gen 7 Ubers

Mega Gengar is probably the 2nd best Mega Evolution, behind only Rayquaza

And if they let Gengar keep Encore when Megas return it might just become the 1st

[jovial topaz]

mega diancieis one of my favorites

[sweet crypt]

They avoided giving Gengar Encore and Blastoise Shell Smash when their Megas existed

I'm hoping they remember to remove them when they come back to existence

Otherwise we're having Gen 9 Calyrex Shadow take 2

In terms of ban speed for Mega Gengar

Literally just lose instantly for using a status, normal or fighting move

Ig Marshadow would have Shadow Sneak

And be immune to trapping

So at least 1 Fighting move user isn't too severely affected by it

That said Marshadow's best set was either Choice Band or Life Orb

And the former can't exactly swap to Shadow Sneal after clicking a move

And Mega Gengar is faster than Marshadow

[last egret]

Are there any starter Pokémon where the middle stage evolution is the most popular one?

Like there are a lot of Charmander fans. Lots of charizard fans. I don’t really meet many Charmeleon fans

Never met someone who preferred Wortortle over Blastoise either

[unkempt egret]

the main one I can think of is Grovyle and that's almost entirley because of PMD sky/darkness

aside from a few others that have gotten more anime rep than their evos like bayleef, braixen, and to an extent torracat

[last egret]

I guess Grovyle has an argument but Sceptile is still insanely popular

Braixen is also pretty popular

[jovial topaz]

o

'O'

[lyric radish]

just your avg mega ray

[brisk hedge]

Looks like he’s smashing tiers again

[lyric radish]

oh my

[brisk hedge]

What is this a screenshot of?

[lyric radish]

he smashing EVERYTHING even with multi lens he OHKO's any mons

[lyric radish]

me hatching eggs

and i got 2 1/64 * 10 so each one of thoose with red star is 1/640 pokemons

kill or catch its 1/640 odds to find

[sweet crypt]

Looks like you don't have the dodrio red shiny

So probably catch

[lyric radish]

ive now goten 4 red shinys in 20min

wait is red stars higher odds??? its around lunar new year where you are supposed to be all red clothed

kill or catch

its 1/64

[brisk hedge]

Catch obviously

[worthy tide]

I got my first shiny of the game 🗣️ 🔥

I've only been playing two days but why not ig

[worthy tide]

I'm sorry....?????????

gang what is that entire screen 😭

[lyric radish]

You never seen pokerogue?

[worthy tide]

I mean I've seen some click bait thumbnails but I haven't clicked them because they're always an hour long+

[lyric radish]

You should watch some they are some around 30min mark too but normaly people play classic witch they do all 200floors and that takes about 1-1 hour 30min

[worthy tide]

alr I guess I will next time I see one

time to go watch youtube

[lyric radish]

Xd

[jovial topaz]

._.

[sweet crypt]

Pokerogue endless is probably the most efficient way to grind the game

But it's also a bit unfair in the opponent's favour, it's manageable at the start but like halfway through at like 3k i've been told there is 0 choice but to swap to a metal burst mon and a run away mon

And that would not be fun to prepare for, and losing earlier due to bad RNG would be so annoying

So that's why I don't play endless

Anyways I'm doing a Farigiraf run

And as it turns out, giving a bulky Normal/Psychic type Parental Bond, Mystical Power, Boomburst and Recover makes it pretty damn good

[unkempt egret]

yea you can get away with seismic toss/night shade since it completely ignores some of the later downsides but it's still very luck-based to actually survive and even that'll eventually fail when you run into a boss that's immune to it

also nice job on the shiny molt

[umbral egret]

Current team in Pokemon Scrambled Scarlet

about to go beat Mela (Boss 7/18)

[vital bramble]

If you mean competitively, grotle

[coarse estuary]

finally done

[unkempt egret]

golden forretress

[vernal garnet]

shiny forretress :0

[coarse estuary]

yeah i rewarded my team by turnin everyone shiny for the final island

[nocturne socket]

anyone able to jump in a union circle? trying to evolve my finizen

[sweet crypt]

Who tf is gonna ever use Eviolite Grotle anywhere

[fresh dirge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/260965739266048000/1201307212564406383/sillycat.gif

[sweet crypt]

I know basically nobody uses Torterra or Turtwig but 0 is not more than 0

[vital bramble]

Unironically people have tried to make eviolite grotle work more than they've tried to make torterra work

[sweet crypt]

Sounds like the keyword here is tried

Since last I checked, Torterra is not ZU

And Grotle is very much so

Ig maybe VGC? But doesn't change how 0 viability is not more than 0 viability

It's like comparing Dusknoir to Dusclops in Singles

Trash vs Garbage

[vital bramble]

Yeah I'm talking in a vgc context

[sweet crypt]

Dusknoir is technically better

[vital bramble]

What

[sweet crypt]

By virtue of being the one with the singular tier placing where it isn't completely fucking ass

Being somewhat decent in PU

[vital bramble]

No dusclops is way better because it has eviolite with basically the same defensive stats

[sweet crypt]

Specifically Gen 6 PU

But iirc, Dusknoir was B tier and Dusclops was like C-

So like

It's not even that big of a difference

Every other generation they are either untiered or grossly overtiered and have 0 use

Dusclops in UU being capable of doing nothing

Truly a moment of all time

But yeah in VGC Dusclops is clearly better

[vital bramble]

I mean they're garbage in singles right? Just click night shade and hope they can't whittle you down. Maybe useful as a slow pivot, do they get u-turn?

[sweet crypt]

Iirc they don't get U-Turn

[vital bramble]

🗿

[sweet crypt]

The strategy to use Dusknoir or Dusclops in Singles is don't

Use like idk

Cofagrigus

If you want a slow bulky Ghost type

[vital bramble]

I'm still fucked up cofagrigus isn't steel ghost

[sweet crypt]

Sarcophagi are made of stone

[vital bramble]

But yeah nah
I use dusknoir in legends Arceus because of how completely different shit works there and because it was one of my first shalphas

[sweet crypt]

Though I do think Cofagrigus is explicitly stated to be made of gold

And also

[vital bramble]

Yeah and it looks metallic

[sweet crypt]

We do not need another bulky Rock type

[vital bramble]

It still fucks me up that rock of all things is a dogshit defensive type and a powerhouse offensive type

[sweet crypt]

The singular bulky Rock type I can think of that isn't ass has the strategy of changing its type asap

And also yknow

Recover

Salt Cure

[vital bramble]

If I were to try and make a rock type actually tanky it'd be a rock/electric with levitate

[sweet crypt]

Well, at least it isn't as reliant on Tera as Serperior

I really just used the entirely wrong form of the word

[sweet crypt]

Hey remember when I said Caly-S was banned in 3 days once?

Well I wasn't sure if I remembered it correctly so I've went to referring to it as a qb in under a week

Then I remembered I can just check how quick it was qbd

I was in fact misremembering it

... because it was QBd in a singular day

It was retested immediately and the reason given for the quickban was basically because the council knew it was too broken and wanted to keep any ongoing tournaments safe in the meantime

93.3%

Can anyone tell me if any other Pokemon has gotten a ban rate that high anywhere, let alone in Ubers?

That's just absurd

[smoky gyro]

So uhh

I had a cheat on to modify the wild Pokemon encounter cause I was EV grinding

And it somehow turned shiny

[sweet crypt]

Why not just cheat in vitamins or something

[smoky gyro]

Its not a gen where vitamins go past 100 EVs

[sweet crypt]

Rip

[smoky gyro]

How do people tend to IV train fast mixed attackers

Wait I mean EV train

That part always confused me

Do you sacrifice speed evs or one of the attack evs

[lyric radish]

you choose 1 atk or spatk and say frick you to the other

[smoky gyro]

Thats not

A mixed attacker then

[lyric radish]

yes that is

if its about or same atk or spatk base stat its mixed

[smoky gyro]

Unless you just keep the other stat un ev-ed

This thing could be mixed tbh

[lyric radish]

ray is my fav mixed

[smoky gyro]

How did I never know Ray has bloody 150 sp atk

What

[lyric radish]

he crazy strong

im run spatk ray on pokerogue

[smoky gyro]

Why does no one run draco on it then

Ive only seen physical ray sets

[lyric radish]

i love Ddance Draco Espeed Equacke

[smoky gyro]

We really need better range flying moves

Air slash and tera flying tera blast

Thats all we have

[lyric radish]

hoopa-unbound can also be mixed its 160 170 in atk stats

[lyric radish]

fr

[smoky gyro]

Air slash isnt even 100% accurate lmao

[unkempt egret]

from what I remember mixed attackers are usually EV'ed in the sense of "frick this guy in particular"

which is to say they're usually meant to check/counter/lure something that gives the rest of the team concern

[smoky gyro]

Fair point

Im just EV training for story which I know isnt necessary

[unkempt egret]

for in-game im lazy I usually just go 128/128/252 lol

[lyric radish]

in-game im too lazy to even ev train...

[unkempt egret]

understandable

I usually super bother with it if it's gen 6/8/9 where it's not too out of the way and in 7 where it's kinda required to an extent

[smoky gyro]

I just

Cant not do it

It drives my ocd mad

Learning natures and evs was a mistake

[lyric radish]

evs are ALWAYS dependent on your moveset never the pokemon same with nature

you COULD run physical mega mewtwo y

[smoky gyro]

I mean it does kinda depend on the pokemon

[lyric radish]

no

[smoky gyro]

If its a special attacker then build it that way with special moves

Otherwise it makes no sense

[lyric radish]

you cant run a mega mewtwo y with 4 physical moves then do 252 spatk and 252 spd

[smoky gyro]

And now Im getting to the point where Im annoyed that my special attackers dont have 0 atk ivs

[lyric radish]

get a 100% team

[smoky gyro]

I just cheats it

I dont have the sanity to hunt for perfect ivs

[last egret]

Millennials love to claim gens 1-4 are the best

Gen Z love to claim gens 5-7 are the best

Gen alpha loves to claim gen 8-9 are the best

The reality is that each generation thinks their childhood games are the best

[smoky gyro]

I just like pokemon tbh

Doesnt matter what gen it is

They all have their own charm

Except gen 1 cause I really cant stand those graphics-

[unkempt egret]

"what pokemon gen is the best?"
"whichever one(s) you played when you were aged 5-10"

it's a generally good test to guess someone's age range without outright guessing it

[smoky gyro]

Except my parents said video games were too expensive and never bought me a single console

So I grew up with hacked emulators

[unkempt egret]

understandable

[smoky gyro]

But I do think now that Ive grown older I gain more appreciation to pokemon more than just "this thing looks cute" or "this thing looks cool"

Like I know for a fact that young me would hate skeledirge cause that thing looks so hideous at first glance

But learning the design origins makes me appreciate it a lot more

[unkempt egret]

I don't think young me had any distinctions beyond "this looks funny/cool/neat"

[smoky gyro]

Not to mention how stupid op of a move torch song is

Paired with unaware

[true rune]

I just got 3 rotoms in one pack in tcg pocket

[brisk hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/rotom-laughing-fourth-wall-gif-25718634

[smoky gyro]

Did yall know rotom is motor backwards 🤓

[brisk hedge]

So correct me if I’m wrong, but you can surprise trade in SWSH without paying for Nintendo online, right?

[obsidian marsh]

if i remember correctly yes

[brisk hedge]

Apparently you can only surprise trade locally

Stupid corporate greed

[true rune]

Switch online is worth it though

[main rune]

@brisk hedge gotchu

[hard plume]

one day we'll get free internet
one day

[lyric radish]

nah they wont do that

[last egret]

Are old gens actually better or is it mostly nostalgia goggles

People forget that Gen 5 received a TON of backlash by fans when it released. Now the kids who grew up with Gen 5 view it as one of the best gens in the series

There were also a lot of people who claimed Pokémon went downhill starting Gen 6 back when it first came out. Now over a decade later Gen 6 is regarded as some of the finest games in the series

[unkempt egret]

it's the goggles, 100%

[lone goblet]

I don't think it's entirely the goggles (PLA was pretty immediately popular iirc) but that's definitely a lot of it lol

[unkempt egret]

this is about where mine's frozen in its time capsule, in the "gen 6 ruined everything" camp

(though I don't mind gen 6 for what it's worth, or any of the future gens)

[last egret]

People are starting to warm up to Gen 7 and 8. I remember back when Gen 8 dropped it was accused of being too linear, unoriginal and hand-holdy

Now gen 8 is starting to get more respect

[unkempt egret]

so your thought is "Pokemon Is Always Good?"

you can't just be saying "people warm up to things over time" that's too obvious

[last egret]

Obviously no generation is perfect but there isn’t a clear “best generation” it’s more what people grew up with and had the fondest memories of

People 30+ will claim the Gameboy games are the best while younger people will find the Gameboy games nearly unplayable

[unkempt egret]

which for most of the people I talk with is either gens 4-5 or gen 1 (the latter camp being those outside of the fandom that generally only play though a few hours of the newer games, though a lot did make PLA the exception and finished)

[last egret]

A lot of people in their 20’s may claim Gen 4 was the best but forget that Diamond and Pearl were extremely flawed games

[unkempt egret]

I mean when we say that we also include plat (real sinnoh) and HG/SS, both of which are flawed too such as the engine speed or grinding being miserable in HGSS's midgame

[last egret]

Gen 6 got the shaft

It’s basically like Diamond and Pearl without getting platinum

[lone goblet]

tbf they normally prefer to ignore dp

[last egret]

D/P kinda got bailed out by platinum

[lone goblet]

yep lol

[unkempt egret]

I wouldn't say xy got it that bad to be compared to DP but yea

[sweet crypt]

Simply land the Hurricane

[last egret]

It could have benefitted with a 3rd game. But with Legends ZA I guess it’s a “better late than never” type of deal

[unkempt egret]

yea

[lone goblet]

idk .. obviously ppl usually like megas but xy itself is generally lambasted for difficulty issues/being the transition to 3d/etc

[sweet crypt]

Physical has Dragon Ascent, V-Create, ESpeed, Dragon Dance, Earthquake etc

[lone goblet]

now I'm a Kalos stan so I'm enthusiastically awaiting za. But

[unkempt egret]

either way I've generally learned "people think differently than you, don't bother talking pokemon with people"

[last egret]

I remember in the early 2010’s everyone thought they’d make a Pokémon Gray, but instead were shocked to get black 2 and white 2

[unkempt egret]

ok imma stop here

XY's difficulty is so strange compared to everything else in the series besides maybe gen 9

[lone goblet]

yep! unless you don't mind disagreements :) or rambling. unfortunately I like yapping abt pokemon too much

[sweet crypt]

You max out Speed and your dominant Attack stat, then you get 4 EVs in the last Attack stat. Forces you to go with a +speed -defence/spd nature

[unkempt egret]

because in most games the field trainers are stepping stones for the big threats but in XY, the random field trainers are the big threats a lot of the time while most of the bosses aren't super dangerous (outside of ones that use megas, a gyarados, or both)

[last egret]

I disagree with Pokémon X & Y marking the decline of Pokémon. I personally think the 3DS era of Pokémon was just as good as the DS era

[unkempt egret]

gives it a very unique feel compared to most pokemon games

[last egret]

X&Y, ORAS, S&M (And US/UM) are all solid entries in the series imo

[lone goblet]

Oh I agree haha .... Which is a shame bc they made ev training a comprehensible part of the gameplay! The exp share was a good idea (imo), especially toggleable! But important character's teams are small and usually weak, and megas are criminally underused

I love x&y don't get me wrong :) !!

[unkempt egret]

and then in gen 7 they reversed it

[last egret]

I don’t get why people don’t look back on the 3DS era of Pokémon as fondly as the DS era

I think it’s mostly bc nostalgia

[unkempt egret]

so the opponents have EVs and you don't

at least not in earlygame

[lone goblet]

RIGHT

and the 2v1s w auto stat boosts

[unkempt egret]

"think fast!" ~Ilima and his full 252/252 mons

[lone goblet]

with the type advantage against your starter too lol

[unkempt egret]

but yea xy is kind of my game for when I wanna use most things and generally be fine since the variety in xy is really nutty and the difficulty is what you make of it

(sword/shield is in the exact same boat actually for me)

[lone goblet]

true!!

[unkempt egret]

as long as I have counters to certain key threats (most notably having a steel and a normal for allister or his gengar will run my team over)

[lone goblet]

I will say my favorite pokemon game for difficulty was ultimately the scarvi blueberry dlc. it being doubles and post game let there be SO many options

[last egret]

I appreciate BDSP because it allowed Gen Z and Gen Alpha to experience Gen 4 for the first time

[unkempt egret]

I haven't nuz'ed that but doing it casually was fun since I had an eviolite mons only rule on blueberry

[lone goblet]

nice :D

[unkempt egret]

sniper seadra strats went hard

[lone goblet]

bdsp was not a great sell just for the insane smogonification of the e4 and nowhere else 😭 also copying all of dp's problems

[unkempt egret]

smogification rofl

[lone goblet]

oh I bet! that sounds really fun actually

[unkempt egret]

you're not wrong but rofl

[sweet crypt]

I see this point a lot, it really isn't true

Some of the item choices and move choices

Are complete and utter WACK

[unkempt egret]

yea I know follow me electabuzz (thanks for making this no longer XD exclusive) and wide guard graveler also did good work

[sweet crypt]

They kinda just went halfway

[lone goblet]

you're gonna have to point to specific examples cuz it's been forever since I played haha

[sweet crypt]

And then stopped

[lone goblet]

halfway is still far for not really doing it the rest of the game iirc? and not fun for casuals . Rip my little brother

[unkempt egret]

I should look at the list and take a sip every time I see a luck item like brightpowder or focus band

[sweet crypt]

Let's look at Cynthia's team

Immediately you see, Lucario is using Wise Glasses

Which not a single person ever uses in Competitive

[last egret]

I don’t get the BDSP hate. It’s a RE-make. Why do people expect something other than the same game but remade

[unkempt egret]

...none actually

(not counting the drapion's scope lens since it does have high crit moves)

[sweet crypt]

Dragon Pulse is also just

[lone goblet]

no, but bc NPCs can't make on-the-spot decisions this allows Lucario to not get locked into multiple moves while still getting a small boost (10%) to literally all its attacks

[sweet crypt]

Not a good idea on anything that is NOT a Dragon Type

[lone goblet]

(by which I mean like. Swapping well)

[lone goblet]

bc of oras

and hgss

[sweet crypt]

Unless your name is Serperior and you have 0 other coverage options because you have that terrible of coverage

[last egret]

Ghetsis clears

[unkempt egret]

also the psychic/ghost/dark lead openly inciting dark set-uppers

[lone goblet]

and the existence of platinum

[sweet crypt]

Didn't I literally do the calcs to prove Cynthia wins 3-0

[unkempt egret]

(in plat it at least has silver wind to deter that lol)

[sweet crypt]

Using Platinum Cynthia

[last egret]

Oras was a bit controversial when it first released. I give it a few more years till people realize BDSP wasn’t that bad

People only like Oras now cuz it’s over a decade old and it had time to marinate

[lone goblet]

oh! I didn't know oras was ever that controversial?