other-pokemon-games

[sweet crypt]

Asking a 90 year old who has never heard about Pokemon would provide a more accurate answer

[jade moat]

Too hot to exist literally anywhere. XD

[cloud lark]

To be fair, stuff that's hotter than the sun does occasionally show up in the real planet earth, such as Pistol Shrimp shooting bubbles

[gusty umbra]

comparing a pistol shrimp to a fire slug is aggregious

[lyric radish]

Hotter than the sun

[tight granite]

i disagree with saying the dex is wrong, rather the world pokemon is in just is way more extreme to the point of being able to survive marcargo

so like if marcargo where to suddenly be put here, it would melt anything around it, same how a human from the pokemon world entering ours would be like a super human

[fiery creek]

LICK THE RAT

[wispy osprey]

just beat pokemon y for the first time

might cry

game served up a nice dose of emotional damage right there at the end

[boreal storm]

Who is the prettiest feminine pokemon

[empty wraith]

the whale is purple

[next moon]

Given how legends arceus was basically another buff for johto pokemon, what do you think some of the new mons in ZA will buff?

[lyric radish]

the rat is immune right??? why lick him

[lyric radish]

hes bugged just reset it fixes it XD

[lyric radish]

loppunny

[boreal storm]

For me it's Hisuian Lilligant

[lyric radish]

i mean she k

but she cant bounce 👀

[lyric radish]

https://tenor.com/view/ashtonstutter-ashtonstutters-gif-25700378

[uneven blaze]

mega gardevoir

[vernal garnet]

https://tenor.com/view/diancie-pokemon-princess-princess-diancie-pokemon-diancie-gif-15287547268216782713

[brisk hedge]

You can’t, it’s normal type

[sleek jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/shoot-angry-aim-fire-scream-gif-14962676

look at this pokemon

[fiery creek]

To be fair, I only realized that after about my 5th time trying it

[sweet crypt]

Tbh, don't even keep Lick

Even if Ghost was not bugged as shit

Lick is a 20 BP physical move

On a special attacker

Gengar may as well have 0 STAB for the first 3 generations

And ofc there's the part where there's a bug that makes Ghost do no damage to Psychic

(Multiple NPCs in game refer to Ghost being SE against Psychic, and after Gen 1 it is, confirming that this is indeed a bug)

[fiery creek]

Ah, well, ghost probably isn’t best for my play through of silver anyway lmao

[sweet crypt]

Ah, Gen 2?

I mean to be fair

Gengar is good

It's just that it is not gonna use a singular Ghost move ever, the type is purely there for defensive purposes

[brisk hedge]

"Hey, you know how the whole concept of ghosts is that they lack physical bodies? Well, what if we made ghost a physical type" TPC gens 1-3

[unkempt egret]

mostly a consequence of Lick being the only gen 1 move that needed that distinction

[brisk hedge]

So then make more then one ghost type move

[unkempt egret]

(shadow ball wasn't until gen 2 and night shade did fixed damage in a gen where counter only affected two types)

still one more move than dragon had which only had a fixed damage move

both types are pretty much purely defensive types in gen 1 lol (remove "pretty much" in dragon's case)

[broken crater]

Hello people

I am here to rant

[brisk hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/doja-cat-star-wars-gif-25078126

[broken crater]

"Its not the teammates that suck its your opponents being better

Thos teammates

were the perfect example of ass

[serene depot]

Weird question, but is there a diamond & pearl rim hack for gba? I’m not a huge fan of the ds emulators and really wanna replay gen 4

[sick anchor]

make me a team that includes my shiny relicanth

[brisk hedge]

Sneasel, Sneasel, Relicanth

[sweet crypt]

Can't do repeats, and they don't have Hisuian Sneasel unlocked

Also it's be too expensive

I get it's a joke

But shh

Wait nvm I'm blind

Relicanth is cost down

So it should be barely enough points

Unless they raised H-Sneasel's cost to 5 while I wasn't looking

Which is very possible since Sneasler is crazy

[brisk hedge]

We can't make an exception for the best Pokémon?

[plucky linden]

lol this was at my house.

[brisk hedge]

good to know that you live at lake Acuity

[glacial verge]

What yall think about my irl national dex

[lyric radish]

make it shiny

[plucky linden]

I woke up and found the embodiment of will power in my front lawn. I guess that can happen.

[earnest ermine]

Anyone got a link to download Pokemon Empyrean ?

[delicate hollow]

Fuck that shit I am having a VERY stressful time with Pokemon Ambrosia which is a Crystal rom hack as 5th gym Morty is giving me a hard time as I can’t defeat one of his strongest ghost types while keeping the party alive.
I also have under levelled mons too which does not help at all so fuck me man!!!

[broken crater]

Use rick

[hard matrix]

I got the gold mewtwo last week I’m in love with it

[empty ingot]

.....think I should go for a 10 pack open?

[coarse estuary]

once i beat my genlocke ima take a little break then do a sagalocke

[boreal storm]

Flying alien baby

[unique field]

I got a tiny shadow ho-oh

You could even call it a sh-iny if you’re so inclined

Also its yellow

Its wild to me that they get up to 200 kilos but this one is a quarter of that

[broken crater]

I love tiny pokemon

I got a regular shiny I also purified 2 shiny shadows before I knew I wasnt supposed to do that

Even worse I deleted 1

[unique field]

!

wow

ive almost purified good shadows tbf

my dad convinced me not to

I actually really only went out to catch this ho-oh cause I already had a good shadow lugia

[broken crater]

Back in the day it was like higher cp = better pokemon

[broken crater]

Gair

*fair

I do have 1 shiny shadow tho

[unique field]

this is my only shiny shadow i think

[unique field]

nice

[broken crater]

And heres my tiny

[unique field]

3 kilo dog

that is small

[burnt basin]

It would be great if there was a Pokemon Chaos Edition hack (I mean the super mario 64 chaos edition type of hack)

[sweet crypt]

List a Pokemon whose type you don't understand and I'll try to explain it to the best of my ability

[broken crater]

Why is psyduck not psychic water?

[boreal storm]

Maybe because gen 1 has to many psychic type

[broken crater]

Starmie, mew, mewtwo, abra line and slowpoke

Line

Oh and jynx

And the eggs

And hypno line and mr mime

Thats not too many

And psyduck being a pokemon based around psychicness it would make sense its a psychic type

[boreal storm]

Maybe because psychic is just too op in gen 1

[sweet crypt]

It's possible that Psyduck was not given the Psychic type due to not having much control over its powers

Though, by the time they made Espurr, they probably should've realised this contradiction

That said Gamefreak on multiple occasions have accidentally given Pokemon wrong moves when changing what TM corresponds to what move

Giving us stuff like Struggle Bug Staraptor

[broken crater]

I also have a theory about dynamax and gigantamax being reversed in some way

Bc dynamax should be the alt form and gigantamaxing should be becoming big regularly

[sweet crypt]

This does also seem weird with Golduck not gaining the Psychic type despite the dex entries stating it inherits Psyduck's Psychic powers and has more control over it than Psyduck

But notably, none of Golduck's Gen 1 dex entries state that it is capable of doing so

[broken crater]

Ah

[sweet crypt]

Maybe the original idea was that Psyduck had uncontrollable Psychic powers, but lost them upon evolution

I'm gonna be honest, this is new info to me too

I did not know this until trying to find a reasoning behind them not having the Psychic type

Rather interesting

Though of course, it being an oversight is not out of the question

This is the same Gamefreak who linked the Fairy Type moves to the moon in every way and then only gave it to like 3 seperate Pokemon linked to the moon

[broken crater]

But this theory of mine

Since I think its weird that when you ginatamax your pokemon changes form and becomes bigger

While you would say that they would Just become gigantic

And dynamax is logic since pokemon need to eat daisoup or whatever its written to gigantamax

So why is that gigantamax

And not dynamax

Since dysoup = dynamax (What SHOULDVE been the form changing term)
And gigantamax = bigger pokemon would make more sense imo

[brisk hedge]

Isn’t it max soup that let’s your Pokémon Gigantamax?

[next pecan]

Anyone know a good fan game with victini in it

[broken crater]

Probably

But you make it with dy muschroom

Its max muschroom

Still

It makes more sense that gigantamax Just makes pokemon gigantic

[sweet crypt]

Apparently, Dynamax sounding like it'd be the more unique of the two is a poor localisation choice

In Japanese Dynamax is referred to as Daimax, which would be similar to saying something like "great max", while Gigantamax is referred to as Kyodaimax, where Kyodai refers to huge, or gigantic

[frozen badger]

If Mega forms hadn't already been a thing Megamax and Gigamax would have been decent alternatives. Or maybe Gigantamax could have been something like Ultimax or something.

[sweet crypt]

Gigantamax is generally rather disappointing compared to Dmax

Like, half the time it's a downgrade no matter how you look at it

[broken crater]

Thats Just an opinion

I do agree that some suck but most of them are fire

Funny enough I think that the one with fire ball isnt fire

But the other starters are cool

[sweet crypt]

No as in

Mechanically

[broken crater]

Oooh

Idk

I Just use it for aestathic

No wait correct that

I would use it for eastathic

I dont own swsh

Legends idk fucking zarude when?

[shell oak]

Found a golden man

[olive field]

Does anyone have pokemon violet I'm trying to complete my dex for scarlet and I just need 6 exclusives and palafin

so if anyone is down to trade and help could you

[brisk hedge]

That barely looks different

[shell oak]

Yeah he does, his orange becomes gold and his pink scars become orange

[solid agate]

Omg, why is it so hard to get a shiny female starter even when the shiny odds are super increased?!

[last egret]

I’m confused about Gen 5. Why does everyone call Ghetsis the team leader when N literally says he’s the leader of team plasma

Am I missing something

[vital flare]

Ever heard of a puppet master?

[solid agate]

I think it's more like N is the figurehead or main representative of the team while Ghetsis is the man in charge of all the important operations and plans.

[vital flare]

Also in the seconds ghetesis was the leader from the start leading the new team plasma

[solid agate]

But seriously, I'm currently soft-resetting for a shiny female starter where the shiny odds are very high, but the fact that it's taken hours on this is ridiculous.

[boreal storm]

If grass type pokemon dies, will the place they die be the place their offsprings grows?

[solid agate]

How does that work for ones like Paras and Hisuian Voltorb?

[boreal storm]

Yes

[shell oak]

Update, found another one

Both of my alola files now have a shiny landorus

[vernal garnet]

Female odds for starters are 1/8

[solid agate]

I know that, but I can't believe that after like 3 hours worth of soft resets I never managed to get that shiny female starter. (The shiny odds I'm talking about is like 1/20 or 1/16.)

[vernal garnet]

Oh jeez that is unlucky damn

[sweet crypt]

N is technically the leader, but Ghetsis manipulates N to do what he wants to do, so he's effectively the leader.
In B2W2, Colress is the leader, except Colress does basically nothing to help out Team Plasma and Ghetsis is still the main one giving orders

[solid agate]

OMG How did I still not get it!? I did take a break to do some other stuff, but still...maybe it's coded for some reason for me to not get a shiny female?

[vernal garnet]

i doubt its hard-coded lmaoo, hopefully you get it soon!

[frank lily]

Got him yesterday

[delicate hollow]

I don't know if I can confirm this in every mainline series, when you fail to catch a legendary and you beat the game once (or a second time) that failed legendary may respawn.
Lemme give a brief example:
In Sun or Moon you can catch one of the 4 island guardians, but if you failed to catch one of them, just beat the Elite 4 again, rinse and repeat.
I do believe this ONLY happens in the DS and 3DS games from what I'm aware (or I'm just guessing randomly)

[solid agate]

OMG, Why haven't I still gotten that shiny female starter yet despite much higher shiny odds?? Is it because I got lucky with 5 shinies on my recent IF save file and now I have to pay with the luckless desolation?

I think it is cause I lucked out on those 5 shinies on my Kalos starter IF file...

[last egret]

So when someone asks who is the leader of team plasma in Black and White, is the answer N or Ghetsis?

I believe it is N because he is officially coronated as the leader of team plasma and he has the designated title. Ghetsis claims that he is merely an advisor throughout the story

[solid agate]

Depends on who’s being asked I guess.

[last egret]

In black and white:
N is the official leader and Ghetsis is the advisor

In the sequels, Ghetsis and Colress share the title of co-leaders

Although Colress doesn’t even really care about team plasma that much. He just wants to conduct experiments for his own benefit

[last egret]

Do you think the original or sequels were better games for black and white

[solid agate]

You mean which is better: Black and White, or Black 2 and White 2? Honestly, idk. Black and White’s story was surely something special, but Black 2 and White 2 had a lot more QoL…

[last egret]

I prefer Black 2 and White 2. Had more content, more Pokémon selection, more QoL.

Although Black and White had a better story imo

Not to say the sequels had a bad story, it was still good just not as compelling as the originals

[brisk hedge]

They’re both

[solid agate]

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE NO SHINY FEMALE EVEN AFTER THIS LONG

[solid agate]

WHY!?!?!?!

[solid agate]

OMG, AM I GOING TO HAVE TO USE A CHEAT CODE TO HACK IN THAT STARTER OR SOMETHING?! THIS IS ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS

[broken crater]

Nice pikachu ex deck

[tulip cargo]

Spotless spinda

He’s so bald

https://tenor.com/view/bald-bald-head-shiny-bald-head-sponge-bob-sponge-bob-square-pants-gif-4830356535569685568

[manic plover]

Pls join ty

[glacial verge]

Another haul

And retail price prismatic

Somehow

[vital flare]

Im not a trading card person but those eevee sets 😍

[shell oak]

Returned to this 4,200 reset hunt after months, got it in 88 more

Feels good to be done with him, he was the least shiny ultra beast I needed

[boreal storm]

Am I the only one that actually like Xurkirtree

[mild wagon]

He's neat👍

[finite ingot]

@compact sequoia

[compact sequoia]

I LOVE XURKITREE

Its my favourite ultra beast

[finite ingot]

hehe

fugo

[compact sequoia]

:3

[coral raft]

Im working on my own Pokemon essentials game, want some feedback on something i'm doing:
The region is based on Nevada, the Four Corner States, Texas, and Lousiana (what would be california got blown up for lore reasons). As such, the region has four mostly-distinct Sub-regions, which allows for me to have more than one native regional variant for multiple pokemon. Since I love tinkaton, her official form will be acquirable through trades, but there's one form for each sub-region, which are all unique
Fairy/Fire one using a greataxe, is a berserker who uses the heat from her axe to speed herself up. Signature move is a fire-type move that lowers her speed two stages, but is stronger for each speed up she has, starting at 80 and adding 15 to this BP per speed she had when used. Hidden ability is Speed Boost. High HP, below-average defenses, decent speed and attack
Fairy/Poison one using twin repeater crossbows, has a signature ability that's long reach and 10% to poison. Fast physical attacker, pretty frail. Signature move is a poison-type Water Shuriken.
Fairy/Cosmic one has a giant magnetic railgun made from the corpse of the regional metagross, Is a SpDef-bulky, low speed special attacker with Mega Launcher. Signature move is 70BP Cosmic move with Paralyze chance, is also boosted by Mega Launcher
Fairy/Rock one using a lance and shield made from fossil parts. Physically bulky with passable physical attack and middling special defense. Unsure of signature move yet, but the idea of her as a stone dino knight is too cool imho

[tropic hinge]

Damn, that first tinkaton with flame charge could go nuts.
I almost feel like this would work better as one huge repeating crossbow, since tinkaton seems to be paired with oversized weapons, but I assume you're going for a gunslinger archetype with this one.
Do you have an idea for what the weaknesses/resistances for cosmic are?
I love the concept of a fossil hunting tinkaton with a bastiodon crest for a shield.
Feels a little like Paldean tauros, which is a teat idea.

[tardy osprey]

I just found out about Snom

[tight granite]

Very late lul

[tardy osprey]

I haven't done anything related to pokemon before IF since OR/AS in 2017 😅

I don't even know most Alolan stuff

[boreal storm]

Oh look, it's a flying cotton candy

https://tenor.com/view/cosmog-pokemon-sun-and-moon-pokemon-legendary-pokemon-alola-gif-25689672

[tardy osprey]

This one I know because it's one of @frail jackal's favourites

[coral raft]

Tentative cosmic typing is as follows:
Resists steel, itself, fairy, ground and electric
Immune to fire (vacuum of space kills flames)
Weak to dragon, psychic, ice and bug.

Cosmic in my game will thematically draw from space, astral magic, and eldritch entities akin to cthulu, Hastur, and others

Offensively:
cosmic is strong against fire, electric, steel, and fairy
Is resisted by Psychic, Bug, Grass, and Ice
And doesn't affect Dragon

It's a strong defensive type, but it's weaknesses do open it up to some nasty counterplay by some of the new regional forms im adding.

[tropic hinge]

Huh, interesting, it forms a trifecta with fairy and dragon.

[broken crater]

Uh wait

Buzzwole

[sweet crypt]

Dragon did not need a buff it's already an A tier type at minimum
Electric nerf is a bit weird, but I assume you have some thematic reason for it, as with Fire
While it is good that it has 3 relevant weaknesses, 2 of which are terrible to have (Dragon, then Ice and Bug), those set of resistances are very, very strong. Probably would be a high tier defensive type
Offensively, yeah no this is undoubtedly top tier offensively. Fire, Steel and Fairy are great types to hit for SE, Electric is good too. I do like that it buffs Psychic, Bug, Grass and Ice, though making a type this strong buff the Dragon type makes me fear we're going back into a Gen 5 era.

Though overall, probably one of the more logically balanced types I've seen

Considering most of them seem to LOVE nerfing Psychic for whatever reason

While buffing Steel

It's not easy balancing a new type

Gamefreak has tried 3 times

And failed twice

[sweet crypt]

Also, this thing has Speed Boost. Ain't nobody using Flame Charge

[sweet crypt]

Anyways, looking at this
I cant judge how broken some of these Pokemon would be since I don't know what your idea of high, below average, decent etc is. I'd need exact stats. So I'll just go off vibe.
That Tinkaton sounds like the second coming of Espathra. Overall mediocre stats, Speed Boost boosting their main STAB, this will probably be using either Bulk Up or Swords Dance. Could be broken depending on the exact stats and movepool.
I assume the 10% is like, nerfed Toxic Chain? In that case, Fairy/Poison is a bit of a subpar offensive type. Decent defensively though. Wouldn't be the first offensive Pokemon with a better defensive type.
Given what we know about the Cosmic type, this could be absurd.
Weak to Ice, Psychic and Poison
Resists Cosmic, Fairy, Ground, Electric, Fighting and Dark
Immune to Dragon and Fire
Weak to 3 types, 1 of which is giga ass and another is not common offensively. Yikes.
Offensively, this covers 2 of Fairy's 3 resisted targets with SE damage, and Fairy covers it being unable to damage Dragon with SE damage. Fortunately, the remaining resists are still good Pokemon. The Grass/Poisons (One may think of Amoonguss or Mega Venusaur), Water/Poisons(Toxapex), Poison/Psychics (Slowking Galar) would be capable of stopping it, among other types. It's mainly the defensive profile that will make this a threat though.
Defensive Rock types almost never work, but let's take a look before giving judgement.
Weak to Fighting, Water, Grass, Psychic, Bug, Dragon and Ice
Resists Cosmic, Fairy, Electric, Normal, Flying, Poison
Immune to Fire
Does actually have 4 decent resists and a good immunity, but like. 4 crippling weaknesses, and an extra less bad but still bad weakness tacked on for the fun of it. Bruh.
The funniest part is, Rock is offensively great, and it synergises well with Cosmic in that regard. Cosmic covers the Steel resist, Rock covers the Bug and Ice resists. Average Rock type being defensive when its type is more suited to being offensive.

[solid agate]

Okay, so I actually think it might be impossible for the starter to be both shiny and female. I did a bit of tinkering, and it looks like this is the case. Or maybe it's cause of whatever seed I have? Idk how this seed generator stuff works admittedly.

[vernal garnet]

Damn. Wonder why thats the case tho

[solid agate]

Idk. The game is Moon Emerald...do you know if that game has something that's causing this occurance?

[vernal garnet]

Nah dont dabble in fangames too much

[solid agate]

Alright. Hopefully it's due to seeds. If not, I'll just have to settle with either a shiny rowlet or a female one.

I spent too long on this thing even though it would've been very sweet, might as well just start playing the game and start getting things done on it. I hope this infuriating incident doesn't diminish the experience...

[frail jackal]

yee

i love cosmog, cosmoem and lunala

yes i know it can be a solgaleo

i prefer lunala

[sweet crypt]

Based

Lunala is easily my favourite box art legendary

[brisk hedge]

Lunala > Solgaleo

[sweet crypt]

It is not close in the slightest

[coral raft]

They have the same BST as normal tinkaton, just with the numbers tweaked a bit. Let me pull it up rq

[sweet crypt]

Well base Tinkaton doesn't have very high BST so I can't imagine it would be too overpowered then

506 is like average

[coral raft]

Fire/fairy:
Hp: 105
Attack: 105
Defense: 77
Sp. Attack: 30
Sp. Def: 85
Speed: 104

[sweet crypt]

If Tinkaton wasn't a fully evolved Pokemon it could probably get its own evolution

At least basing it off how Bisharp got an evolution

Bisharp isn't even in a Duraludon case where it has high BST but is ass, Bisharp is generally a very solid Pokemon

Which means that a theoretical Toxapex or Ferrothorn evolution could be added

Which is terrifying

Partially because they are already elite defensive Pokemon

Partially because we're gonna have to have the Eviolite debate again

[coral raft]

I'm terrified by the concept

My solution for them would be a mega with a decent ability that has a use but trades away their defensive utility for those stats

Wouldn't do a mega Pex, but a ferrothorn mega could work

[sweet crypt]

For Blissey vs Chansey, Blissey is better because Chansey has to hold Eviolite to even contend with Blissey

And Blissey can hold Leftovers or, more notably, Heavy-Duty Boots

However, Ferrothorn and a theoretical evolution would both resist the most common hazard, Stealth Rocks

But I'd assume Leftovers is a lot more important on Ferrothorn since it doesn't have reliable recovery unlike Blissey and Toxapex

Toxapex is probably just in the same situation as Chansey vs Blissey

[coral raft]

If you gave it an evo with regenerator, it just holds an eviolite and still holds its own without evolving

[sweet crypt]

Hazard chip is still annoying even when you have Regenerator

Let's assume that 2 layers of Spikes and Stealth Rocks are up

That brings your healing from 33% to like

3%

So yeah, I think that a Toxapex evolution would be better than Toxapex assuming it got a decent enough bulk increase

Same situation as Chansey vs Blissey in my eyes

It's harder to tell for Ferrothorn since it is less vulnerable to entry hazards but I still think the evolution would be better since Ferrothorn line doesn't really have reliable healing, which makes Leftovers chip heal even more important for it than Blissey or Toxapex

This reflects in their preferred items. Ferrothorn's best item by a wide margin are Leftovers

(Rocky Helmet is good too though)

For Toxapex, at least in the sample sets, Heavy-Duty Boots are listed as its primary item

And Rocky Helmet is also ahead of Leftovers

Blissey also primarily uses HDB

The lesson to be learnt here is that hazards are crazy

Eviolite may be the most overrated item in history

"Eviolite Bisharp is about to outclass Kingambit"

Aged very well

Hey to be fair nobody saw Supreme Overlord coming

Anyways there's also the matter of Knock Off

If the prevo gets Knock Offd, it goes from arguably a worse version of the evolution to literally a worse version of the evolution

The 2 examples I see the most are Porygon2 and Porygon-Z as well as Dusclops and Dusknoir

For doubles, I cannot refute this

But for Singles, there is a singular tier where Porygon2 is in a higher tier than Porygon-Z, being SWSH

Porygon-Z is better in SMUSUM and SV (Porygon2 is actually untiered in SV) and they share a tier in every other generation

There's also the gap between their tiers

Porygon-Z is NU in Gen 9 with Porygon2 in Untiered, or ZU(NFE since it isn't fully evolved), being a full 2 tiers below Z

Z is UUBL in Gen 7 while 2 is RU, being a 1.5(? Close enough) tier difference

Meanwhile, in Gen 8, 2 is RU while Z is NUBL

... A 0.5 tier difference

Then there's the fact that they have completely different roles

Saying that Z is outclasses 2 is like saying Kingambit is better than Glowking

I changed the phrasing because people don't say Z is better, or 2 is better

They say it's outclassed

WHEN THEY DON'T EVEN SHARE THE SAME ROLE???

[brisk hedge]

Those sure are a lot of words you're saying

[sweet crypt]

Mid speed breaker is not equal to mixed wall

Shocker, I know

Would you not use Glowking because you can just use Kingambit instead?

That's the best way I can put it

Anyways when it comes to Dusclops vs Dusknoir

I could not find anything for it

Because they are both hot garbage

And barely anybody uses either of them

If you look at the smogon analysis for them in recent generations, it either Other Metagames, them just listing off every reason why you shouldn't use them after listing like 2 good things about them or just a placeholder

If you want an actual answer as to who is better, the best place to look is Gen 6

Dusknoir is 1 tier higher than Dusclops and the summary is not just listing every reason why Dusknoir is ass

Though Dusclops seems to also have found a niche in the exact same tier

Dusclops is 1 tier higher in Gen 5, but both Dusclops and Dusknoir's summaries are constantly telling you to not use them

And in Gen 4 Eviolite doesn't exist

[coral raft]

okay, so im at my pc, i can give you full stats for my tinkaton forms

Fire/Fairy you saw already

Fairy/Poison
HP: 85
Attack: 95
Defense: 77
Sp. Attack: 60
Sp. Def: 75
Speed: 114

Higher base speed than the fire/fairy but not having a speed boosting gimmick

Fairy/Cosmic:
HP: 85
attack: 70
defense: 87
Sp. Attack: 99
Sp. Def: 115
Speed: 50

Fairy/Rock:
HP: 95
Attack: 85
Defense: 115
Sp. Attack: 70
Sp. Def: 87
Speed: 64

[coral raft]

In terms of design, i'm happiest with the Fairy/Fire one right now, the others are a bit half-baked, but not necessarily bad conceptually now

[sweet crypt]

Should I replace Lumina Crash, Aura Sphere or Calm Mind on Lugia with Recover?

For context, I'm doing a Pokerogue run with HA Passive Lugia

I have Oblivion Wing as well but that is not being replaced

What Recover does for Lugia is it allows it to set up on most Pokemon for as long as it wants

So I could get to +6 instantly in most battles

Ofc Oblivion Wing heals as well

But it also kills

So I can't just get a free +6

Replacing Aura Sphere makes the MU into lead Dark type or Kingambit worse

But I should still beat other Steel types without too much issue

Replacing Lumina Crash would make Emax harder

And remove what is honestly a broken STAB move

Replacing Calm Mind means I still have high longevity, but I can't sweep as easily

For now I'm replacing Aura Sphere but I can always memory mushroom later

So don't just do not bother answering

Ivy has a Larvitar rn

Looks like I'm gonna have to replace something with Aura Sphere later

[coral raft]

oof, that's gonna suck

[sweet crypt]

I'm leaning towards replacing Recover since I want to use Lumina Crash for once

Actually y'know what

Since I have Delta Stream, I'm only weak to its Dark moves currently

And it's not unlikely that it just gets fucking

Dark Pulse

Or something silly

Not only that, but due to Delta Stream, Tyranitar is probably brute force-able with Oblivion Wing

Since it won't have sand SpD boost

I could also get the Baton item

Then Baton Pass my CM boosts to Gastrodon

Who could probably 1v1 Ttar

[last egret]

Wanna know what I find weird, people who played Pokemon X tend to pick Pokemon Sun, Sword and Scarlet.

Meanwhile people who played Y tend to choose Moon, Shield and Violet

[rugged comet]

Played Y played ultra sun, sword, and violet

[brisk hedge]

I play X, then picked Moon, Shield and Violet

[unkempt egret]

Active version (red, gold, ruby, diamond, Y, sun, sword, scarlet) vs passive version (blue/green, silver, sapphire, pearl, x, moon, shield, violet)

gen 5 is a bit hard to qualify lol

[lethal maple]

i follow this theory, but with mudsdale instead

you reacted like 5 seconds after i posted that 🤦‍♀️

[coarse estuary]

whitney down but it came at the lives of my geodude and my sandshrew both to crit rollouts

[sweet crypt]

Wasn't me who reacted

:/

[lethal maple]

i wasnt talking to you dw

[brisk hedge]

It was me, DarkWeavile 😈

[sweet crypt]

I wouldn't call 125 very high attack

But I get the point

The general stat spread is the same

Not quite to the same level as Buzzwole vs Great Tusk

Or Glaceon vs Magnezone

But still

Only one is a legendary after all

Great Tusk may as well be Buzzwole 2

Glaceon and Magnezone's stats aren't as similar as that but still a lot more similar than probably any other Pokemon comparison

Glaceon's is
65
60
110
130
95
65
Magnezone's is
70
70
115
130
90
60

[brisk hedge]

Oh, stat wise. I thought you where gonna claim that Great Tusk and Buzzswole were related species, and I was about to have an aneurism

[sweet crypt]

I'm not blind

[lethal maple]

buzzwole an great tusk are very similar

interesting

[brisk hedge]

STATWISE

[lethal maple]

YES.

[brisk hedge]

Just making sure

[unkempt egret]

what a ground type and hazard removal does to a mon

[sweet crypt]

You say this as if Buzzwole isn't great in its own right

(Gen 8 OU vr for reference)

Obviously Great Tusk is better but it isn't like Buzzwole's a shitmon or anything

[sweet crypt]

Anyways Buzzwole is more based

Because you get to Bulk Up + Roost + Drain Punch on people

And turns out low ladder gives a lot of opportunities for exactly that

So you get to stomp noobs if you pick Buzzwole

Low ladder in general is a very funny place

[coarse estuary]

me who uses whatever i want outside of nuzlockes because competitve pokemon is like another language for me as i never understand it lol

[sweet crypt]

The most important thing to know in Competitive is that God, the Pokemon with the highest (legal) BST and Satan < some guy on a dead horse

The funniest thing about Smogon Singles is that the most oppressive Pokemon of all time including any format you want is not any of the normal top tiers

... but it's fucking Electrode

To explain, let's talk about 2nd place

Eternamax Eternatus warps the entirety of Gen 8 Pure Hackmons to either counter it or facilitate it

With the perfect investment, it becomes immortal to either physical or special moves

And it still has high bulk on the other side

But, there is counterplay, as little as there is

Corrosion Toxic (and Worry Seed, Skill Swap etc if you need to remove something like Magic Guard)

Fixed damage (though ofc you will need to use that move a lot, and be ready to heal up with a healing move. And maybe bring Unaware if it is a setup set)

Now look at Gen 1 Electrode in Pure Hackmons

The fastest Pokemon in the entire metagame, 2nd to none

What would be the best way to abuse this?

Well, Sleep in Gen 1 doesn't let you move on the turn you wake up

So what if you put a 100% accurate sleep move on Electrode?

You can't Sleep Talk, that's a gen 2 move

You can't outspeed it, nothing outspeeds Electrode

[strong hawk]

How the heck do you get to Morty

[sweet crypt]

Held items don't exist yet, so no Safety Goggles or status curing berries

[strong hawk]

Playing Heart Gold and I can't figure this outtt

[sweet crypt]

Abilities don't exist yet, so you can't use Insomnia or Vital Spirit Pokemon

[strong hawk]

No guides or anythn are helping

[sweet crypt]

Grass types aren't immune to powder moves yet

Well, you beat Electrode... by winning a speed tie with your own

That's it

[sweet crypt]

According to Bulbapedia, Morty visits the Burned Tower

[strong hawk]

I checked in there

[sweet crypt]

Whether or not he will actually be there idk

Since it just says he can be there

[strong hawk]

Some guy blocking there

[sweet crypt]

And doesn't elaborate when he would be there

[sweet crypt]

What do they say?

[strong hawk]

I didn't read one sec lemme talk to em

[brisk hedge]

For the 4th gym badge?

[strong hawk]

Wait I just left and re entered the building huh

[strong hawk]

Yea

[brisk hedge]

?tag reading

[ebon pond]

You should try to read NPC dialogue! They give very good hints on how to continue the game. Sometimes they also give you items! Don't forget to talk to NPC's and read what they say.

[strong hawk]

I can get through

[sweet crypt]

According to Bulbapedia, Morty is indeed in Burned Tower

And after chasing away the legendary beasts in there, he returns to his gym

[strong hawk]

Okay I figured it out I just had to leave and re-enter

Garnet is gonna battle me apparently

Wth I got confused and kept hitting myself until I died

[sweet crypt]

Unfortunate

[strong hawk]

Yes it's dead, fainted it w/ my other pkmn

Cuz it used curse twice and was on 1 hp or smthn

[strong hawk]

Now I'm lost again

Oh I can go- okay

Oh okay so I figured it out

[mystic abyss]

anyone play pokerouge?

[sweet crypt]

Yeah, I'm doing a suggestion run except I was suggested literally only Lugia and Gastrodon

Lugia's probably one of the better 8 costs I could've been suggested though given my unlocks on it

(Cost down on Lugia btw)

(So technically a 7 cost)

I've gotten all starters by now

Also have gotten all vouchers

Which almost took longer than all starters

[mystic abyss]

ah i havent hatched him just yet started playing yesterday and got hooked, fills the gap for me inbetween updates from here

[sweet crypt]

Because Ryme and Liza refused to show up, I kept getting Allister and Tate instead respectively

[boreal storm]

What if Rayquaza doesn't have a Primal Form because Rayquaza itself is in the Primal Form

So Primal Groudon and Kyogre isn't like their super saiyan Form but rather their base form, they both just got beaten by Rayquaza so hard They lost ther Primal Form.

So what if, Rayquaza we know today is actually Primal Rayquaza since no one defeated him yet

[vague shale]

but primo can't mega evolve ? rayquaza yes

[sweet crypt]

I'm pretty sure that it's base Rayquaza that beats Pdon and Pogre

So yeah ig this theory probably makes sense

"Lend me some power, Kyogre-Primal. This is base Rayquaza we're up against"
Groudon-Primal, probably

[brisk hedge]

Groudon and Kyogre hate each other. They wouldn’t team up, even to fight Rayquaza

[boreal storm]

Nah I think mega Rayquaza is actually the one who beat them so hard it's made them lose ther Primal Reversion

[sweet crypt]

Apparently, according to the lore, base Rayquaza beat the Primal out of Groudon and Kyogre

Then they later entered it again

And that's the first time Rayquaza mega evolved

... Ngl, I don't think it needed the help if it beat them the first time

But alright

[brisk hedge]

Rayquaza:

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-how-many-times-do-we-need-to-teach-you-old-man-slow-thick-gif-12272188

[sweet crypt]

Also, when I was trying to find info, the Internet really just went "Mega Rayquaza vs every Legendary Pokemon"

Literally in both lore and games there are multiple Legendary Pokemon that'd just 1v1 Mega Rayquaza

Especially nowadays

Now that we have Koraidon, Miraidon, Eternatus and Zacian

I dont even need to explain how Time, Space and Satan would beat the shit out of a glorified space worm

Ultra Necrozma may OHKO Mega Ray (definitely outspeeds)

But Dragon Claw/Pulse don't fill me with confidence

And you will not catch me running Outrage whatsoever

Dragon Claw with Neuroforce = Light That Burns The Sky

220 Atk Necrozma-Ultra Light That Burns the Sky vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Rayquaza-Mega: 385-454 (109.6 - 129.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Evidently though this is enough to OHKO

[boreal storm]

I have been thinking about this for a while

Why was everyone shocked when someone calls a Legendary she/her but not when they were called he/him

[sweet crypt]

I feel like people are either shocked at both or shocked at neither

Anyways, someone forced my Gastrodon in with Dragon Tail

And they got swept by it

Actually just throwing

How do you get swept by a GASTRODON

Anyways, Pokerogue's servers just overloaded

Seems like a lot of concurrent players

I'll continue this later then

[sweet crypt]

Rival replaced Ttar with Florges and Blissey

I won

Gg

I know I'm only half way through and all

But really the only thing that can beat me now is Geeta

I only lose to a literal 1 in 10

Heck, I might not even lose to Geeta

Lugia should be slower than Miraidon

So it can't disable my ability

I take neutral damage from Rising Voltage due to Delta Stream without taking the double damage from being grounded

Only question is if I can brute force Kingambit

And if I can, I have won

This Lycanroc just landed 3/3 Crunch defence drops

Serene Grace Lycanroc???

Looks like I'm still gonna have to fight a Ttar for the victory

[sick iris]

hey guys playing a randomized pokemon insurgence again and my starter options are pawniard, kadabra and walrein what should I take?

[sweet crypt]

I forgot Giovanni owned a ttar until right before fighting him

[sweet crypt]

Honestly, with how Insurgence is randomised on each encounter instead of replacing each spawn on a route

It doesn't matter as much

Though, out of those 3, Kadabra and Pawniard's evo methods are decently late

[sick iris]

and walrein is already final evo

[sweet crypt]

And Kadabra requires the item RNG to have mercy on you

So I'd go Walrein

[sick iris]

plus walreins can be hard tanky walls

[sweet crypt]

I'd definitely rather use many Pokemon over Walrein including Bisharp and Alakazam

Especially since iirc, Insurgence gives Bisharp a Mega

But like I said

That's RNG if you find the correct items

Pawniard evolves into Bisharp pretty late

And Alakazam obtainability is determined by RNG

[sick iris]

plus the first gym in this game is lvl20

[sweet crypt]

I know that

But it still could be a struggle lugging around Pawniard until like

Level 50+

[sick iris]

do they have an item in game that lets it evo into ala btw?

[sweet crypt]

Yes, you bring it to some person in the black market and they evolve any trade evo

Though I'd rather just let the wild Pokemon RNG give me one

Like I said, each encounter is randomised

You can get literally anything instantly

[sick iris]

one playthrough got me a lot of legendaries

[sweet crypt]

If you wanted Primal Arceus, for all you know you'll find a held item Crystal Shard on an unrelated Pokemon, and then Arceus

[sick iris]

honestly I think Ill just reset

[sweet crypt]

Got the Multi Lens

If you recall, my Psychic STAB is Lumina Crash

... I lower my opponent's SpD by 4 stages every attack

Oh btw I forgot Giovanni's Ttar is only in his 2nd battle

And it may be an Iron Thorns instead

Which for Lugia is preferable since it has Delta Stream

And I'm running Dual Stabs + Recover and Calm Mind

Though at this point, I'm unsure if Ttar can stop me

Ivy is still trying to Outrage Lugia

Something I've noticed is that the rival preserves their new Pokemon to be sent out last unless they see a very, very good MU

Which means that Florges replaced Ttar

And that Blissey was the new addition

Yeah no Giovanni's Tyranitar does not outdamage me in the slightest

It's doing like 1/7th of my HP every Lash Out

And I have Recover

[sick iris]

so i did my reset

crogunk, jolteon and toxicroak

found it funny it gave me both for options

either zappy or a young poison frog or its dad lol

......a delta blaziken just killed it

so i gotta restart again damn it

[boreal storm]

Why is Darkrai a Legend but Cresselia is Mythical

[sweet crypt]

Wrong way around bud

Darkrai is a Mythical, Cresselia is a legend

As for why

Who the fuck knows

[solid agate]

Finally settled with a Female non-shiny starter. (I wish that I could get it shiny, but whatever.) I guess I can finally just start playing the game for real.

[sweet crypt]

So uhhh

Lugia just set up to +6 right in front of Eternatus

Then 2 shot it before it could even attack in retaliation

[vernal garnet]

Lmao

[sweet crypt]

That's including the Eternamax phase btw

Lumina Crash instantly brought its SpD down to -4 since I have multi lens

And then it got hit by the Quick Claw activation

The world's most stacked Lugia (except for that one where I got it a Macho Brace)

Bold nature, HA and Passive, moveset of Oblivion Wing, Recover, Lumina Crash and Calm Mind

This must be how immortality feels

Alright now that that is done

Give me Pokemon to use for my next run and if I haven't already used that Pokemon for a suggestion run, I will be forced to use it

But please do not pick shitmons like Unown

That's my only request

Because the point of these runs is to see other Pokemon that others think are good, but overlooked

Not to torture myself

[boreal storm]

Am I the only one who use to think that The Lake Guardians was mythical?

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-mesprit-sleeping-gif-2943387312349784129

[sweet crypt]

Probably not since the distinction is literally just event vs not event

And if you don't know how to obtain them, then you wouldn't know what is mythical and what isn't

And I could see thinking they're mythical based on the other mythicals' designs

[cloud lark]

Stuff like this is why I just view Mythical Pokemon as a subset of Legendary Pokemon.

[tawdry breach]

Isn’t the difference between legendary and mythical Box Art Cameo VS No Box Art Cameo?

[smoky gyro]

AAAAAAAAA

[tawdry breach]

Why is the Pokèdex Number, “000,”?

I thought there was no Triple 0 until Black and White???

[smoky gyro]

No idea

Its Run and Bun

[strong hawk]

Could it bcz they haven't got the dex yet? (Haven't played diamond, pearl, or platinum)

[strong hawk]

I found out that, since the pokemon usually bounce when u hover over em in the menu, it makes Crobat stay still. (Heart Gold)

[vernal stump]

F*ck android vs apple, porygon phone or rotom phone

[vital flare]

Rotom phones so many awsome cases

[sweet crypt]

Unless you think Mewtwo is a mythical, no

[supple creek]

Poryphone kinda goated in design (biased masters player)

[lyric radish]

i mean hes the evolution of a mythical

and in pixelmon you can clone mew 3 times per mew witch means you cant only get one in there and Dmax raids sword/sheild

[last egret]

Unpopular opinion:
Sword/Shield > Sun/Moon

[boreal storm]

Disagree but I respect your opinion

[smoky gyro]

Gen 1 is superior

There I said it

[tawdry breach]

https://tenor.com/view/meta-runner-lamar-meta-runner-lamar-argument-i-withdraw-my-argument-argument-gif-26344632

[boreal storm]

Genwunner

You said you like to play a game where you could just softlock yourself whenever you doing something

[smoky gyro]

Its sarcasm lmao

[boreal storm]

Oh

[smoky gyro]

I think gen 5 would probably be my fav

[sweet crypt]

Anyways I need ideas

[boreal storm]

Ditto

What legendary pokemon you would call them by she/her

[pine ingot]

Tapu lele

[pine ingot]

parasect

[boreal storm]

Good choice

Btw personally one of the legendary I will call she/her is Kyogre

Don't ask why

[pine ingot]

fish

[smoky gyro]

Meloetta

Pheromosa

Does ultra beasts even count as legendaries

[unkempt egret]

they're annoyingly their own designation

same with gen 9's paradoxes but I lump em both together as "invasives" since that's what they both are

[boreal storm]

If I'm not wrong the in game file name ultra beast was in sub legends

Eh it's still debatable

[smoky gyro]

Nihilego as well

Though maybe thats just cause of the story

[autumn otter]

i need this card so bad dawg

unfortunately

$100 raw in english

almost 50 in japanese

[smoky gyro]

I didnt think I would like bolt as much as I do but its such a nice design

[autumn otter]

it very quickly became one of my favorite pokemon ever

its so goofy but also works at being intimidating

[smoky gyro]

Especially when the hair-cloud thing kinda swishes when it attacks

[autumn otter]

plus its good competitively

[smoky gyro]

I think it looks majestic

[autumn otter]

i already really liked raikou

this is just an overall improvement

[smoky gyro]

I didnt which is why its more shocking to me

Raikou is by far my least favorite out of the 3

[autumn otter]

i used a raikou fusion in my last playthrough with sceptile

it was so good dawg

grass electric with unreal speed

[smoky gyro]

Im fast as f boi

[smoky gyro]

Okay thats cool

[autumn otter]

@upper lantern cooked so hard

[smoky gyro]

Tbh I also dont like sceptile much

Which I know is a hot take

[autumn otter]

to each their own

not every pokemon is for everyone

[smoky gyro]

Blaziken is the best gen 3 starter

Imo

[autumn otter]

i think the gen 3 starters are the most consistent

[smoky gyro]

It would be gen 4 for me

[autumn otter]

i love all of them, none in my top 25 but all great designs either way

[smoky gyro]

Empoleon torterra infernape

[autumn otter]

empoleon falls a bit short of the rest but overall theyre very good

i like almost all of the starter final evos tbh

[smoky gyro]

Honestly I love the gen 9 starters too

Skeledirge took some getting used to but now I love it

[autumn otter]

only ones i dont really like are cinderace and intelleon

[smoky gyro]

I dont hate them

Rilla peak tho

[autumn otter]

neither do i, theyre just the 2 weakest in my opinion

monke man kicks ass

even if grassy glide is the bane of my existence

[smoky gyro]

I wonder what mine would be

Swampert is definitely one

Lmao

I dont like how modern gen typhlosion looks

When it doesnt have the fire it looks so naked-

[autumn otter]

i thought they gave it back its fire

[smoky gyro]

Dont remember

Too broke to afford the dlc lmao

[smoky gyro]

Okay that looks better

[autumn otter]

the decision to remove his fire is fucking baffling

[smoky gyro]

I still prefer quilava tho

[autumn otter]

understandable

i could never hate typhlosion

gen 2 starters have nostalgia for me

even meganium as bad as it is in game

i just see it as challenge mode

[smoky gyro]

Specs typhlosion with eruption is nasty

[autumn otter]

running that with regenerator in AAA

[unkempt egret]

meganium only feels bad if you're trying to one-mon army it like most starters can, it's more of a support mon than anything

it does nicer in SM though where its support is more appreciated

[sweet crypt]

IMO, most consistent starters are the Gen 9 starters

[autumn otter]

its just that chikorita doesnt lend itself too well to the first 2 gyms in johto without some real help

[sweet crypt]

I'd rank literally all of them in S tier they're easily my favourite starter trio

[unkempt egret]

which thankfully there is in the form of both geodude and the trade onix which can carry you until gym 4 (gym 5 in gen 2)

[sweet crypt]

And they're not far apart from each other in S tier

Ig the closest when it comes to consistency would be one of the starter trios with 3 B tier Pokemon

[autumn otter]

heya latios

thanks for the tips with the sun team i was crafting up a while back

finally got it working

[sweet crypt]

Nice

Anyways, Meganium is definitely one of the worst starters in terms of performance

No doubt about it

[autumn otter]

replaced poison jab on h lilligant with triple axel to counter lando t and anything running substitute

[sweet crypt]

Its region is very unfriendly for its type, first of all

Though obviously, you can still make it work

You can make (almost) anything work in a PVE setting

But in Competitive? Yeah, definitely bottom tier

The only starter I can really think of that may be worse than Meganium competitively is like

Base Samurott

And even then I'd lean heavily towards Meganium being the worst starter

At least currently

You could probably find a past generation where it wasn't the complete utter worst starter

And maybe future generations will either buff Meganium heavily or add a new worst starter

Anyways back to the talk about consistency

I want to change the context of this

What do you think is the most COMPETITIVELY consistent Pokemon?

Things to be considered are number of appearances, as well as singles and doubles viability

Also I didn't add this earlier

But when I say competitively consistent

I mean consistently good

Not consistently bad

Otherwise just pick Unown

[autumn otter]

https://tenor.com/view/incineroar-pokemon-gif-27110545

waiter waiter! more buffs please!

[sweet crypt]

Dogshit in Singles

Not a candidate

[autumn otter]

you never specified singled but fair enough

[sweet crypt]

I did

[sweet crypt]

"As well as singles and doubles viability"

[autumn otter]

missed that, my bad

[sweet crypt]

What I'm thinking is, Kyogre has consistently been a top tier Ubers while being a top tier restricted legendary

And it has existed since Generation 3

So I'm thinking, the answer has GOT to be Kyogre, right?

Reason why I'd say Kyogre and not Groudon is because Kyogre generally has higher viability

[autumn otter]

drizzle on a legendary is pretty nuts

[sweet crypt]

And in Gen 9, Groudon took a massive hit to its viability

[autumn otter]

especially during gen 6 when it could go primal with primordial sea

[sweet crypt]

To put things into perspective, Groudon in Gen 8 has a viability ranking of S-, while Groudon in Gen 9 has a viability ranking of C+

Absolutely devastating drop

[autumn otter]

outside of ubers and legendary/mythical picks, who would be the answer?

even outside of ubers, the mainstays of lando t and heatran cant be counted with no legends in mind

[sweet crypt]

OK but legendary status is a stupid and dumb way of measuring how good a Pokemon is

I dont see why we should exclude them from this conversation

I love forgetting words exist

Amazing

[autumn otter]

i just think its easier to exclude all legends instead of picking specific ones to exclude

[sweet crypt]

A Pokemon's viability depends not on some fancy status they have

It depends on stats, types, moves etc

[autumn otter]

the meta wont suffer much if entei is tossed into the void

but urshifu

[sweet crypt]

And if those aren't deemed too broken, I don't see why they should be excluded

[autumn otter]

also its a matter of actually obtaining them also

[sweet crypt]

Simply ban all Ubers from the conversation instead of all legendaries

[autumn otter]

gotcha

[sweet crypt]

After all, Dracovish is broken as fuck

But it ain't no legendary

[autumn otter]

do not speak that foul name in my presence.

the fish is ugly and i hate him

[sweet crypt]

Anyways, most consistent is probably just Lando-T, though I've heard it's having a tough time in Gen 9 VGC

But considering it's a Gen 5 mon?

[autumn otter]

the knock against it has always been its lack of good flying moves

[sweet crypt]

Yeah that's very respectable

[autumn otter]

but the last 3 gens have been very kind to it in that regard with z moves, max airstream and tera blast

[sweet crypt]

I'd nominate Heatran if it was more prevalent in VGC, and wasn't struggling in Gen 9 Singles

[autumn otter]

only issue is that it relies heavily on those in more modern metas

i could even say a contender for top 5 is tyranitar

despite its dogshit typing its been very consistently good

[sweet crypt]

Also idk who told you that Landorus relies on Tera Blast

But you may want to scold them for misinformation

[autumn otter]

did it get actual good flying stab in gen 9?

[sweet crypt]

No, but it still uses Tera Blast on a total of one set out of 3, and its least common one, too

At least based off the summary page

[autumn otter]

damn alright

[sweet crypt]

In fact, Tera Ice is more common on it than Tera Flying apparently

Probably for stuff like opposing Lando-T and Gliscor

[autumn otter]

makes sense

[sweet crypt]

A Pokemon overly reliant on Tera would be like

Garganacl

Or Serperior

Regieleki too

I wouldn't say something like Calyrex or Volcarona relies on Tera though

Based off the fact that even without Tera, they're extremely threatening

It's just that Tera pushed then over the edge (OU for Volcarona, Ubers for Calyrex)

[last egret]

Legends Arceus: “allow me to introduce myself”

[brisk hedge]

Yeah, I’ve always thought that the whole Legendary vs Mythical thing was stupid.

First off, in generation one, the only Mythical Pokémon was Mew. Meaning that they made an entire category just for one Pokémon.

And even once more Mythical Pokémon started to get added, it still doesn’t make sense to classify them differently, because the only difference between Legendary and Mythical Pokémon is that Mythical Pokémon are event exclusive, which has no in universe impact.

And lastly, the whole concept of having Pokémon that are event exclusive is stupid in the first place. The whole point of Pokémon is to “catch them all” so why on earth would you make it so that you could only catch certain Pokémon for a limited time?!!!!!

[plush atlas]

community engagement

company marketing

capitalism

[coarse estuary]

just beat guzma 2 in my no dealing direct damage run of ultra moon

[orchid spruce]

good boy.

[coarse estuary]

??? im not a dog please dont treat me like one

[lusty iris]

what the fuck

odd behaviour

[unkempt egret]

I think there's also the translation thing since apparently in japan it's both been a thing since the start (while in the west the distinction didn't become super noticable until gens 4 or 5) and wasn't intended to be a thing in the first place (mew from what I recall wasn't added until the last minute?)

[split yoke]

Feels like if this isn't a dugtrio shuckle fusion, we are missing out.

[gusty umbra]

definitely looks like it

[gusty umbra]

good boy

[leaden pelican]

any game recommendations?

[vital flare]

too many types

[leaden pelican]

thanks

[gusty umbra]

rocket edition

[smoky gyro]

Pokemon Vega

[frigid thunder]

Just started Pokémon black for the first time

[lyric radish]

+6 252 SpA Mewtwo-Mega-Y Psystrike vs. -6 Lvl 1 0 HP / 0 Def Blissey on a critical hit: 726-65528 (4537.5 - 409550%) -- guaranteed OHKO

does it kill?

+6 252+ Atk Huge Power Tera Electric Mewtwo-Mega-X 10,000,000 Volt Thunderbolt over 5 turns vs. -6 Lvl 1 0 HP / 0 Def Tera Water Pichu: 18920-306480 (172000 - 2786181.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock and 3 layers of Spikes

thats not that strong...

[sweet crypt]

Why is my guy bullying level 1 Pokemon

[sweet crypt]

Also I like how you can clearly see the damage overflow in this calc

[sweet crypt]

And this too, tbf

[lyric radish]

Ik 🙂

I broke the calc

I dident even use helping hand and stuff to boost more

Or eletric terrain

[sweet crypt]

Yeah but those are level 1s

So like

No shit

[last egret]

Who would win in a battle Ghetsis’s final team or Cynthia’s champion team

I would bet good money on Ghetsis

Cynthia’s Garchomp is good and all but a Hydreigon with a life orb and max frustration would absolutely destroy it

[sweet crypt]

Garchomp outspeeds Hydreigon and OHKOs it, no?

I mean assuming Dragon Rush lands

And also, if Hydreigon uses Frustration on Garchomp, it just loses

That shit is NOT OHKOing, Hydreigon is a special attacker

102 BP is good and all but it's neutral non STAB off the weaker offence

Honestly, his B2W2 Hydreigon set is far, FAR worse than his BW Hydreigon set even with the Life Orb

Simply based off it using physical moves

Ig the BW Hydreigon just for some reason doesn't have Dark Pulse but like

Rock Slide, Dragon Rush, Frustration, Crunch Hydreigon is like something you'd see at the 1000s

Not even that

It's like someone was so bad at playing the game

That they somehow went below 1000 elo

And went to like 800

Anyways I'll take a more in depth look at this

Using the 1st Platinum Champion Cynthia fight and BW Ghetsis

And also ignoring level differences

0 SpA Spiritomb Dark Pulse vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Cofagrigus: 156-186 (60.7 - 72.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
0 SpA Cofagrigus Shadow Ball vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Spiritomb: 78-93 (32.3 - 38.5%) -- 97.2% chance to 3HKO
Right off the lead, Ghetsis would be at a disadvantage

His best move here would probably be Toxic into Protect

And maybe go for the double protect

[sweet crypt]

Should be similar damage to Shadow Ball but with the ramping Toxic damage

[last egret]

Garchomp doesn’t OHKO Hydreigon. Hydreigon survives at minimum one hit

[sweet crypt]

That Hydreigon set is so ass that I'm using the BW team

[last egret]

Eelektross has effectively No weaknesses as Cynthia has no way to negate the levitate ability

[unkempt egret]

I mean there is the way of "just hitting it hard"

[sweet crypt]

That's cool and all, but I'm actually gonna use calcs to determine this battle

[last egret]

Cofagrigus is a solid wall. It has toxic and protect and holds leftovers.

That is pretty good for an NPC trainer

[sweet crypt]

And equalised levels because Cynthia would have an unfair level lead otherwise

[unkempt egret]

85/80/80 only gets ya so far when you don't have many resistances either and a speed stat of 50 (shame it shot itself in the foot and went mixed)

[last egret]

Yeah let’s assume all Pokémon are the same level

[sweet crypt]

I'm using level 100 standard because that's easier

[last egret]

Is Bisharp better than Drapion?

[sweet crypt]

0 Atk Garchomp Dragon Rush vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Hydreigon: 296-350 (91 - 107.6%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO
0 Atk Life Orb Hydreigon Dragon Rush vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Garchomp: 307-361 (85.9 - 101.1%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO

[last egret]

Cuz BW1 Ghetsis has Bisharp

[sweet crypt]

Yeah, don't run physical Hydreigon

Please

[broken crater]

Cousin packed this

[last egret]

It has a life orb to offset the lower physical attack

[sweet crypt]

True

But at the end of the day, AT BEST you trade 1 for 1

[last egret]

@sweet crypt they made Hydreigon physical for lore reasons. They wanted to make it have max frustration to show that Hydreigon absolutely hates Ghetsis

[sweet crypt]

At worst, you kill yourself

And not Garchomp

Ig maybe you could pray for Garchomp miss

But you're dealing with the same shit accuracy move

So you could miss instead and die without landing a single hit

[sweet crypt]

I know that I just also know that physical Hydreigon is 💀

Back to Cofagrigus vs Spiritomb

Worst case scenario, Spiritomb is at like 64% from Toxic by the time Ghetsis sends his next Pokemon in

At best, Ghetsis gets bullshit luck and gets who knows how many protects in a row

But more reasonable best is double protect

Leaving Spiritomb at like what, 40% HP?

Oh wow Ghetsis' Bisharp set is ass

Nvm I'm using B2W2 that Bisharp set is somehow WORSE than the Hydreigon set

Wtf

Cofagrigus still has Protect and Toxic nothing changes

Given what I know about the AI, Ghetsis would likely send out Hydreigon to finish Spiritomb off

Either that or Drapion

Unless I'm overestimating the AI

But for Ghetsis' sake, I'll say he sends out Drapion

Since otherwise that's a free KO for Cynthia

Dragon Rush will KO with the Life Orb chip

0 Atk Drapion Night Slash vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Spiritomb: 66-78 (27.3 - 32.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after toxic damage
You ever just remember how fucking low Drapion's attack is?

0 SpA Spiritomb Silver Wind vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Drapion: 51-61 (18.1 - 21.7%) -- possible 5HKO
Yeah, this is literally Spiritomb's best move in this situation

Due to Shadow Ball and Dark Pulse being resisted, Silver Wind does similar damage to Dark Pulse and has the chance of an omniboost. Will that save it in any way? Idk, probably not, but may as well try, right?

This likely lures Garchomp out

0 Atk Garchomp Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Drapion: 252-296 (89.6 - 105.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Drapion dies due to the chip

[broken crater]

Uh dra.

Drac

I knew a dra

[sweet crypt]

Looking at Ghetsis' team, probably sends in like

Seismitoad next?

[broken crater]

2 even

[sweet crypt]

Or maybe Hydreigon?

Idk

[broken crater]

DRAMPA AND DRACOVISH

[sweet crypt]

I'll say Seismitoad

[broken crater]

Can you give me 3 reasons why drampa is awesome?

[sweet crypt]

0 Atk Garchomp Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Seismitoad: 171-202 (48.7 - 57.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
0 SpA Seismitoad Muddy Water vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Garchomp: 102-121 (28.5 - 33.8%) -- 30.1% chance to 2HKO
Seismitoad is at a big disadvantage here

And I am just realising that the calculator does not change HP percent to max automatically for you

[broken crater]

What are we talking about

[sweet crypt]

But yeah, Seismitoad probably should Drain Punch first to survive 2 Earthquakes guaranteed

[sweet crypt]

Ghetsis vs Cynthia

[broken crater]

Ah

[sweet crypt]

0 Atk Seismitoad Drain Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Garchomp: 50-59 (14 - 16.5%) -- possible 7HKO

So with this, it lands Drain Punch and Muddy Water, then dies

[broken crater]

Well have you considered that cynthias garchomp is fucking strong

This is a accurate representation

[sweet crypt]

Since Ghetsis is currently not in the lead, I will give him max rolls to be kind

Since I don't think he will win

[broken crater]

This specific moment was when I 3 stocked samus

I was unkillable

[sweet crypt]

Due to Sitrus Berry, Garchomp heals back to 75%

However, Hydreigon KOs from that range

Though, it living a Dragon Rush is a roll

Though, even more concerning than that

Is surprisingly

[broken crater]

Like cynthias garchomp

[sweet crypt]

... Wait, Giga Impact is 150, not 160

Nvm

I was gonna say

Also my brain managed to forget to add the SE multiplier

Can you tell I didn't wake up long ago?

Anyways best case scenario

Hydreigon lives the hit, doesn't flinch and trades, or maybe just dodges

But now Ghetsis is down 2-4

Worst case scenario, Chomp either gets the roll or flinches

Most likely is the trade

If no Pokemon is on the field, do they just send out their earliest Pokemon in their team? I'm not 100% familiar with the AI

Well, let's say they do

Cynthia's Roserade vs Ghetsis' Eelektross

It'll be Roserade's STAB vs Eelektross' SE coverage

0 SpA Roserade Sludge Bomb vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Eelektross: 142-168 (45.6 - 54%) -- 43% chance to 2HKO
0 SpA Eelektross Flamethrower vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Roserade: 136-162 (52.1 - 62%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Once again, this is very scary for Ghetsis

Eelektross has to not get Poisoned by the first hit, then live the roll to KO Roserade without dying itself

And with the 30% chance to Poison each hit and the 2HKO roll being 43%, I feel like I kinda have to assume that it'll be a trade

Then I suppose it'd be Toxicroak vs Togekiss

Given how I'm only using teams from before Gen 6, I'd say that Togekiss should be Normal/Flying

Putting Ghetsis at the disadvantage once again

0 Atk Toxicroak Poison Jab vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Togekiss: 94-112 (30.2 - 36%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
0 SpA Togekiss Air Slash vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Toxicroak: 270-318 (87.9 - 103.5%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO
And I'm afraid this is the end of the road for Ghetsis

According to calcs, Ghetsis would end up losing, with Cynthia having a (assuming the first Poison Jab poisons) 9 HP Togekiss (3%) as well as a Lucario and Milotic in the back

Of course, if he gets lucky with misses and crits, Ghetsis could win

But I think this is probably the most likely outcome

(B2W2 Ghetsis vs Platinum Cynthia, with levels equalised)

(Using the first Champion Cynthia battle in Platinum, as the rematch has overall better moves)

[coarse estuary]

fuck off

[boreal storm]

Bad boy

[coarse estuary]

all of you fuck the absolute fuck off please fucking stop

[coarse estuary]

nanu defeated. i now have access to toxic

[ornate scarab]

@gusty umbra, this is towards you too

if someone tells you to stop acting a certain way towards them, that's a pretty good indicator you should stop

[lusty iris]

Fucking odd behaviour the lot of you

[ornate scarab]

it aint funny to purposefully treat someone a way they dont want to be treated

its just weird

[lusty iris]

Don’t be like that in a public discord with someone you don’t know, Looker has every right to say no to this kind of treatment

[frigid thunder]

I forgot to save god darn it

[coarse estuary]

thx both of yah

[coarse estuary]

is this your first time playing? gen 5 is my absolute fave gen

[pine ingot]

peak game

[sturdy sparrow]

Doing last minute moves on my fire red team 2 of them I got 3/4 but last one is kind of turning into an hm mule

[plucky linden]

W

[frigid thunder]

Forgot to save again then got a funky rat I saved this time

[unkempt egret]

the BLUE rat

will be nice for catching other mons and being a neutral normal

[frigid thunder]

Wahoo

[split yoke]

Guess what my player did....

[tight granite]

star wars refrence

[last egret]

Is Cynthia’s team that good?

[sweet crypt]

It's more so Ghetsis not having anything for Garchomp than Cynthia's team being better straight up

His best check to Garchomp, Hydreigon, has a higher chance of not KOing Garchomp and dying than living their interaction

In fact, the odds that Hydreigon does nothing to Garchomp are probably the same as it living their interaction

If not lower

That's what happens when you're running fucking Dragon Rush as your main STAB on Hydreigon

Not even a Life Orb can save that

[last egret]

I personally feel like if you were given Ghetsis’s team, you could beat Cynthia with said team

I am pretty confident I could beat Cynthia’s champion team with Ghetsis’s team

[sturdy sparrow]

Hypnosis mean look superfang what else does it get?

If it’s not modded

[sweet crypt]

I feel like someone using Cynthia's team would be someone using Ghetsis' team 7 times out of 10

We can't just talk about player vs AI

Because of course a player would be able to thrash an AI

That means nothing

I'm gonna put an analogy here and let's see if anyone gets it

You know the saying "Jack of all trades, master of none"?

Imagine that, but Jack just sucks at life

(No offence)

However, Jack's brothers, Jim and Josh, get slandered harder than he does, which I don't understand

See, Jim has paper bones, and Josh throws punches like a pillow

However, Jim packs a very nasty punch, and while Josh isn't the toughest out there, he can definitely take a hit or two.

Jack's bones aren't paper, but at best they are thin twigs

And while Jack punches harder than a pillow, he still punches like a rubber duck

(Yes, this is Pokemon related somehow)

(Have fun guessing!)

[distant badge]

Anyone know good pokemon game with good story not super hard and no fakemon

[tight granite]

sun and moon