What about giving a piggyback to Cosmog?
#other-pokemon-games
stray heart
unkempt egret
oh I don't think cosmog can do that lol
I was considering a "maybe it's better if you carry them" tier but decided aginst that
if I did then octillery would be there for sure
stray heart
~~if I did then octillery would be there for sure~~
Octillery would be in the “stay away” tier considering…. Yknow
the leaks
rare eagle
Winning
lethal maple
sterile moss
POKEMON GO SUUUUUUUUUUUUCKKKSSS
WHEN I FINISHED A RAID AND GOING TO CATCH A POKEMON MY GAME CRASHED
SCREW YOU GAME
grave socket
grave socket
Makes me laugh every time
coarse estuary
totem 1 down in my ultra moon ice mono nuzlocke
brisk hedge
Crabrawler isn’t an ice type 
sweet crypt
Crabrawler isn’t an ice type <:heehee:945800365457149992>
Give it like 80% of the game
It'll get there
Unless it dies
Which in that case welp RIP
coarse estuary
Crabrawler isn’t an ice type <:heehee:945800365457149992>
ok but it evolves into an ice type and the rules for monomaster allow the use of pokemon that will gain the chosen type to be used
brisk hedge
You clearly missed the . I was joking
coarse estuary
You clearly missed the <:heehee:945800365457149992>. I was joking
im pretty sure you were DarkWeavile428 not joking
unkempt egret
joke better lol (@weavile)
but yea mono ice in sm is like... solo delibird until after totem lurantis?
brisk hedge
You can actually get Smoochem at the same place as Delibird
unkempt egret
only in USUM
brisk hedge
And Looker’s doing this challenge in ultra moon
unkempt egret
ah fair in that case, thought it was base sm
brisk hedge
Which also means he’ll be able to evolve Crabrawler sooner
coarse estuary
the hardest part will be electric trial as i dont know the best way to get through the steel boio
sweet crypt
the hardest part will be electric trial as i dont know the best way to get throu...
Can you get Mamoswine for that idk what the USUM encounters look like
Or at least Piloswine
coarse estuary
Can you get Mamoswine for that idk what the USUM encounters look like
i can but not till tapu village
sweet crypt
Though, doesn't Togedemaru outspeed them?
I checked it does
96, Mamoswine has like 80
Mamoswine's pretty close to its speed though so if you EV train and shit it probably can outspeed
Piloswine though? Good luck
coarse estuary
the problem is i CANT obtain it before the trial as i get it in tapu village
coarse estuary
all good
sweet crypt
Uhh
Crabrawler will definitely be extremely weak by then
Uhhhh
Avalugg?
High PhysDef so it might be able to tank physical Steel moves
coarse estuary
cant get that without trading from another game
sweet crypt
Bruh
What is Rotom's obtainability in these games?
Probably not good right
Rotom Frost would be really clutch
But yeah no
coarse estuary
rotom cant be obtained intil post game
coarse estuary
i mean the only pokemon id have access to that could tank the steel hits would be weak to the electric ones sadly
sweet crypt
Exactly why I didn't recommend them
Uhhhh
Is Cloyster obtainable by then?
High physical bulk
So it could maybe tank a Zing Zap or something
coarse estuary
cloyster is obtainable but its by 1% fihsining enocounter
sweet crypt
Bruh
rugged comet
Continuing the run, this is my team so far
brisk hedge
I see you’re using the Lillipup pickup strategy
rugged comet
yeah
also really thought ahead when picking the fire type, since rivals don't have it when most of my team is weak to fire
evil plasma grunt
they used hypnosis then spammed sand attack
she's going to be a star
did bad again
brisk hedge
Don’t forget to grab the sun stone in Nimbasa
brisk hedge
Which Pokémon should I play dress up with?
rugged comet
Pignite
brisk hedge
The final result
rugged comet
Perfect
brisk hedge
I got the last compliment
rugged comet
maybe in my White 2 run
got the thing I went to the desert for
well once I revive it
brisk hedge
Have fun walking all the way back to Nacrene
rugged comet
I got the bika + super repels
brisk hedge
Still a long way
rugged comet
also got the move I wanted before evo
rugged comet
Have fun walking all the way back to Nacrene
could also wait to get fly soon
probably just going to just bike real quick
and I'm there
sweet crypt
Why is it called butterfly dance if there's 6 moth users vs 3 butterfly users
brisk hedge
sweet crypt
It was 5/2 in Gen 5, the debut generation for Quiver Dance
brisk hedge
<:Despair:850468339955924993>
I think that’s a sign not to replace my Blitzel yet
rugged comet
could be worse
sweet crypt
Very clearly it should be called moth dance and not butterfly dance
rugged comet
could be calm pignite
sweet crypt
Not to mention that out of these 3 Butterfly Quiver Dancers, only Vivillon is any good competitively
And by any good I mean like low tier good
brisk hedge
could be calm pignite
At least yours isn’t Modest
rugged comet
At least yours isn’t Modest
true
sweet crypt
TLDR: Quiver Dance's Japanese name, Butterfly Dance, should be renamed to Moth Dance
brisk hedge
Hacker alert
brisk hedge
I got tricked
brisk hedge
He’s a biker gang member, he doesn’t follow the rules
rugged comet
scary
it has iron barbs + rockey helm
I can win with a crit
maybe
I lost
that was car 7
why does this child have so many ghosts
Preschooler Oda has 3 ghosts
brisk hedge
What TF is a Hoopster
brisk hedge
That’s also a Ferroseed
rugged comet
ok it was a close fight, but gym 4 done
delicate hollow
What if mega evolved pokemon instead given permanent evolutions loosely based on mega forms but different appearances?
Come on devs you gotta create fakemon designs and put them in a PC fan game
rugged comet
ok it was a close fight, but gym 4 done
and thats it for today
coarse estuary
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1glAwIUULoTpRGTp526pWuROfuez--9sq725zHJQkfY8/edit?usp=sharing just came up with my own ideas for achievements in pokemon xy. let me know what you think
unkempt egret
looks good here let me add a few more
Elusive Encounter - Find a pokemon with a hidden ability in a horde encounter
Normal/Ice OTP - Defeat the Inverse trainer on route 19 (18?)
Savior of the Endangered - Catch a Zangoose, Seviper, Durant, or Heatmor from a horde encounter where it is the only one.
The Rare Berry - Breed a Kee or Maranga berry in the berry fields
The Rarest Juice - Blend a Kee and Maranga berry together in Lumiose City
Nah, that's on the mark - Complete the Restaurant le nah challenge with the maximum amount of mushrooms
Eh, that's on the mark - Complete the Restaurant le meh challenge with the maximum amount of mushrooms
coarse estuary
i like the inverse one and the only one in the hord one ill add those
brisk hedge
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1glAwIUULoTpRGTp526pWuROfuez--9sq725zHJQkfY8/...
I might have to steal this list for when I’m done with Black and White
sweet crypt
What if mega evolved pokemon instead given permanent evolutions loosely based on...
A lot of the Megas should've been more like regular evolutions
Though heavily balanced out because like bro
Mega Mawile with an item
Mega Sableye with an item
Nightmarish
Maybe Mega Banette wouldn't be a fraud if it could hold an item
And wasn't the Mega slot for what is essentially a one for one trade
Kingambit kinda screws Mega Banette over
It either has to sack itself to take down Kingambit or die to Pursuit
rugged comet
Mega Mawile with an item
seems perfectly balanced to me
sweet crypt
(NatDex context ofc)
Bro Mega Banette can't even Will-O Kingambit
Because Prankster
Context: NatDex OU banned Tera and dropped Dragapult, Kingambit, Gholdengo, Melmetal, Shedinja, Zamazenta and Regieleki
Wait was Zamazenta a drop?
Idk but it does well against Gambit and decently against Dragapult
And probably Ghold as well
And Melmetal
Regieleki and Shedinja are irrelevant dw about them
Dragapult is poised to get banned
Since it was banned for Ghostium Z and not Tera
A bit of a blunder in tiering if I do say so myself
Who knows maybe Kingambit saves the day
If Mega Banette continues being OU after this I am gonna question everything
Literally unranked in the viability rankings lmao
Anyways I'll stop laughing at Mega Banette now and go back to "What if some Megas became evolutions?"
Could Mega Abomasnow replace A-Tales as an Aurora Veil mon
Or is the speed going to be too important
We could make Mega Kanga a regular evolution but uhh
Yeah let's not
Mega Kanga's good enough as is
Mega Pinsir as a normal Pokemon might be Ubers material
No more Stealth Rocks instantly killing it
I'm not 100% sure though
coarse estuary
I might have to steal this list for when I’m done with Black and White
feel free too. thats why i made it. for me and others
sweet crypt
Mega Gyarados as an evo would be cool
At the same time I feel like that wouldn't make much sense since Gyarados already has like what
540+ BST?
This would be interesting to take a closer look at
But I have officially decided that I'm too lazy rn
coarse estuary
also if my xy achievements get enough traction id be willing to make more for yall in other games
upbeat vortex
Hey guys, I've been trying to teach my Tyranitar on Pokémon Scarlet the Knock Off TM but cannot find it anywhere and I also don't have DLC. Can I teach it somehow with Pokémon Home or another legitimate tool?
stray heart
So which Pokemon would y’all want irl?
blazing zephyr
So which Pokemon would y’all want irl?
Genuinely give me smeagle. I got my own personal Picasso, I’d make money off my little guy. Either that or ditto so he can just transform into bank manager and walk in and out of the vault without question
stray heart
Genuinely give me smeagle. I got my own personal Picasso, I’d make money off my ...
What about Vaporeon?
Infinite water
blazing zephyr
Well sure yeah but there’s definitely more profitable avenues, water does not resale that high
coarse estuary
my goal for tomorrow is to finish up making an achievement doc for all 6 other gens i plan on making achievement docs for then i can have them at the ready for whoever wants to try to play a pokemon game of choice with my achievements.
desert coral
I don't know that anyone here actually plays this one but I finally got bloodmoon ursaluna in it and I don't care that I lost I just feel accomplished 🥹
stray heart
Well sure yeah but there’s definitely more profitable avenues, water does not re...
What about Cosmog?
unkempt egret
nice nice
hard plume
In case people are gonna do it, here's the stats for the 7 star tera raid
along with my analysis
This guy is preeeeeetty tough from the looks of things.
I was going to initially suggest "bring ice flying!" but the appearance of smack down definitely put a wrench in things
So the only suggestion I have is "bring dudes that know ice, grass, or water type moves, but don't bring ice, flying, and water type pokemon."
unkempt egret
I can possibly help out tonight if anyone wants help.
seems like grass types that can dampen the +4 through things like clear smog or light screen can help
or are just bulky and resist the whole set like chesty does
atomic orchid
Found Pokémon XD in a used game store. It’s pricey but I have some extra cash from payday
I’m getting
I’ve wanted this game since I was a kid after all
brisk hedge
Rerelease it for the switch Nintendo
atomic orchid
Confirmed it and the two DS games I also bought work
brisk hedge
Confirmed it and the two DS games I also bought work
Which two DS games did you get?
atomic orchid
Which two DS games did you get?
Dragon Quest Rocket Slime (nearly complete collection of all non-mobile DQ games that were released in English from the DS onwards now)
And Fossil Fighters!!!
astral kindle
Insane how much some GameCube stuff costs now. Has me tempted to sell what I have left
atomic orchid
Ngl it was either Pokémon, or snagging a bunch of SMT/Persona games as my gateway into the franchise
One big purchase vs a bunch of smaller prices
candid thunder
If yall go to flea markets and stuff like that you can find game cube games for cheap!
I got gale of darkness not to long ago for like 7 dollars or smth
astral kindle
I live in a scalper market. Flea markets and used game shops dried up years ago
All I can find now is Madden, gta, and call of duty
atomic orchid
Not around me. All the cool tech stuff goes to this one used media store I frequent, and they go with actual resale value, not bargaining/estimated value
candid thunder
Aw shoot
astral kindle
We have one shop about 45 minutes away that has a decent selection, but that's only cause they run off ebay prices
atomic orchid
Like they pride themselves on authenticity with what they sell/give you for selling
Down to picking a median price based on multiple appraisal sites
candid thunder
I think I bought mine from this older lady, so I guess I got hecka lucky
atomic orchid
Still better than Megaman Star Force 3 Joker. One of the most expensive 3DS games in existence due to scarcity of games (in part because it wasn’t advertised)
There’s a place near me selling that for ~$300
astral kindle
Yeah, I'm sure it's possible to still find random hits around here. I just don't feel like spending the time and gas driving around.
atomic orchid
And that’s just for the game card, not the case or anything
astral kindle
I've pretty much finished what I'm willing to go after for retro though
Have a handful of ps2 games I might grab if I get the chance, but I have way too much stuff already
atomic orchid
Yeah, I got the DS games because I can play them on break at work.
Otherwise I’ll have to set aside time for XD
candid thunder
Um um um not to get off topic, but does anyone play pokemon unite???
coarse estuary
5 more achievement lists left until im done
astral kindle
I fell off unite pretty quick, but 2 toddlers don't really mix well with online games, lol
brisk hedge
Oh, Driftveil
radiant leaf
Nah that’s Nimbasa Stadium
rugged comet
did I?
brisk hedge
The demon lizard isn’t even in this game and it still gets special treatment
I’m choosing to believe that this is a Pokémon Ranger Guardian Signs reference
rugged comet
still don't know how hilda isn't freezing in here
coarse estuary
still don't know how hilda isn't freezing in here
didnt you know all pokemon protaginists have the ability thick fat?
north crow
with the way artists draw her id agree
rugged comet
this shouldn't be that bad
brisk hedge
Famous last words
coarse estuary
ok I just completed all my achievement docs for gens 1-7 if anyone wants one just lmk what one they want
coarse estuary
ok ill dm em to you also do you want bw1 and bw2 or just bw 1 or bw2
brisk hedge
Both
rugged comet
Forgot how many plasma grunts there are in this cave
that is such a hard shiny to see
brisk hedge
BTW @rugged comet, can you tell me if you find a trainer named Jared in Chargestone?
rugged comet
BTW <@628726035944570890>, can you tell me if you find a trainer named Jared in ...
I might have fought him already
brisk hedge
Could also be that I’m misremembering where he is. Thanks anyway
brisk hedge
I think so?
brisk hedge
Neither Karrablast nor Shelmet are or evolve into electric types
brisk hedge
BTW <@628726035944570890>, can you tell me if you find a trainer named Jared in ...
Found him
rugged comet
this place is still very unsafe
rugged comet
Ow
that gym was easy, guess that happens when I have a rock type and an electric type
how did it know so much about me
I caught it on route 6
brisk hedge
Doesn't say that Emolga knows much about you, just that it trusts you
rugged comet
Doesn't say that Emolga knows much about you, just that it trusts you
he said that after it talked about me
wait I have to deal with the cave properly now don't I
brisk hedge
Unless you can change the date for the emulator
rugged comet
I could
rugged comet
After I updated it
forgot to change time, but it looks better
just had to check that it worked
but, I think I'll do it normally
tomorrow
frank lily
astral kindle
Playing a gameboy tcg hack for retroachievements, and have spent hours stuck at this spot.
jagged flower
so I think that last card might be the unobtainable card pop! card
jagged flower
oh good
well at least it's not out literally of reach
just... very tedious to reach
good luck
astral kindle
Guess it's my payback for how easy the original game was for me to master
north crow
ok so
i saw mention of unite like a week ago
im happy to say that tinkaton is now in it and im almost tempted to play it again lmao
sterile moss
my game crashed when i saw moltress on pokemon go
this game hates me
and i saw a cp!!! mon and it fled
💔
coarse estuary
ok after beating hala in my ultra moon mono ice ive decided to take a break from my run to do some casual achievement playthroughs
sterile moss
snow cobalt
i think i been afk abit too much
north crow
idk why or how but i read "Badges: 63" and was like "What the fuck?"
astral kindle
Finally got it!
Now i just have to win 10 battles in a row on mason's machine to complete the list
brisk hedge
that'd be 72 badges
Actually, it’d be 66 badges. Alola doesn’t have any gym badges and Unova has 10
10 Across both games
north crow
It has 10?
rugged comet
Actually, it’d be 66 badges. Alola doesn’t have any gym badges and Unova has 10
I was thinking of doing that math, but decided against it since I had woken up fairly recently when I saw it
brisk hedge
It has 10?
BW2 added 2 new badges in exchange for 2 others
rugged comet
It has 10?
8 from bw and 2 different from bw2
north crow
eh still 8.
its not like youre time traveling
but fair point on alola not having badges
brisk hedge
8 per game, 10 in total
north crow
yeah but.. if we're going by that, then there's way more than 66
cause it's only 8 per game, but clearly each region has more than just 8 badges
brisk hedge
Each region only has 8 at one time
brisk hedge
then why are you adding the 2 that you cant get from unova???
You can in fact get them
north crow
ok tell me where you can get the other 2 gym badges in one game then
brisk hedge
You can’t get all 10 in one game, but if we’re counting all the gym badges you can get across all Pokémon games, they should be counted
north crow
because you just said each region only has 8 at one time
Im not counting "across all games"
its across all available regions
I simply forgot alola has no gym badges
so its 64
brisk hedge
Actually, now that a think of it, Sword and Shield have version exclusive gym leaders which give out different badges, so maybe they should count as well
north crow
but that literally goes against the 8 at one time so... no?
brisk hedge
Not really, since it’s more of an alternate universe thing
north crow
same region
brisk hedge
But not same universe
north crow
why the fuck are you counting multiverse ????
in that case then you can count every version exclusive
and every remake separately
brisk hedge
Again, counting 1 instance of every badge the player can obtain
north crow
literally not how that works
brisk hedge
Across all games
north crow
literally nobody ever has done "all games" when putting multiple regions gyms in
its one region
this discussion is too stupid for me now so im gonna drop it
untold hill
Must be on the journey to collect badges from the whole word
What I meant by this was that there are unexplored regions too
deft crescent
Just wondering does Revival Blessing crash Radical Red?
Been stuck on this screen for 6 minutes now
lusty iris
Just wondering does Revival Blessing crash Radical Red?
Go ask their discord lmao
rugged comet
ok time to take this on, much easier to see when its not raining in the game
unkempt egret
and i saw a cp!!! mon and it fled
late but I've had that happen pretty frequently while I was out
seems like they're basically "safari balls or GTFO" mons rofl
from what I can tell they come at level 39 (at least they only need two level-ups to get to level 40) and their event moves if the species has them
I don't think the safari balls can fail but they CAN miss and doing so will waste the ball, so Nanab berries are preferable probably
rugged comet
ornate scarab
Turgle
deft crescent
Go ask their discord lmao
They don't have a discord
unkempt egret
I usually give something about 2 minutes before I reset
maybe the AI was never given the logic on who to revive so it just can't do anything there?
astral kindle
They have a discord
rugged comet
ok time to take this on, much easier to see when its not raining in the game
that wasn't that bad
astral kindle
That was intense. Almost lost my streak again
rugged comet
do I enter?
ok its a child's question
"Who teaches you things at school"
I don't think this gym will be a problem
given I have emboar
yeah I took no dmg
still don't know whose talking
really taking a gamble there
Is that a blue eyes white dragon?
ornate scarab
yknow it might jsut be
rugged comet
Kaiba come get your dragon
coarse estuary
what game should i achievement hunt first xy or oras
rugged comet
I love ORAS so I'm biased, do ORAS first
ornate scarab
ORAS!!!!
coarse estuary
ok oras wins between all the servers ive asked so ill so achievement hunting in omega ruby
the 2 hardest achievements i think are going to be the these didnt exist yet and steven steel achievements
rugged comet
I think I have a good chance
coarse estuary
naw pignite sweeps
rugged comet
this subway is actually really tough
barely won a fight because the ai was dumb
ok?
18
no I'm wondering how they let you on the train
19
20
I hope i one shot
nope
didn't get a move
brisk hedge
I tried to defeat Ingo and Emmet many times as a kid, and lost every time
I always did the multi battle train though
little tulip
i remember when i was a kid i randomly caught a shiny arceus out of the blue , in ultra sun
brisk hedge
How?
rugged comet
i remember when i was a kid i randomly caught a shiny arceus out of the blue , i...
you mean in a game where you can only get it from event, and the event one is not shiny?
little tulip
idk i think it was traded to me
rugged comet
which is not the same as catching it randomly
little tulip
oh well
coarse estuary
ill make it as deep as i want. you arent the boss of me. only mega is
little tulip
ok..
astral kindle
the 2 hardest achievements i think are going to be the these didnt exist yet and...
Where are you hunting these achievements at? Not that i need another place to hunt achievements, lol
north crow
if you are going to lie at least make it believable
bro ong with these kids lmao
rugged comet
I got the bowling ball
coarse estuary
Where are you hunting these achievements at? Not that i need another place to hu...
i got some google docs i made that have achievement sets i made for the first 7 gens of pokemon
astral kindle
Ah, gotcha, wasn't sure if there was another site out there doing it.
I've been doing the tcg lists on retroachievements
coarse estuary
I've been doing the tcg lists on retroachievements
i made my own google docs because the main line pokemon achievements on retro are just beat the game and catch pokemon. though id be more than willing to slide you the docs if you ever wanted em
astral kindle
Yeah, I haven't looked through them all yet. Blue is what I was planning on playing next, and the main list looks like it's been updated. Lots of beating gyms/e4 with Level caps and/or no items and other stuff
The prof oak challenge lists I'll never touch. I'm not doing that much inefficient grinding
coarse estuary
i mean my lists are still an option if you dont wanna do the retro ones for the main line titles
rugged comet
this might be my first wipe (not counting the train), and its to bianca
yup
her serperior is strong
doesn't help that it's raining so my fire type is weak
and that her simipour is buffed
Ghetsis really just had to monolouge everything on this bridge
He's been waiting soo long to tell someone that everything is going his way
now to see how different this town is
already much better and I just walked out the gate
yeah alder this dragon gym is going to be very difficult, as I have no ice moves or dragon moves
unkempt egret
I mean that gym will take an ass if you give it an inch
considering the BW version of it is one of the only gyms in the whole series that puts a Point of No Return on you past a certain point?
ornate scarab
SCOLIPEDE! So based and red pilld
rugged comet
yeah the one on the left is 100% better
yeah I'm about the level of gym trainers
So many fraxures
and the one I always forget about
bold move by Iris
double dragon dance when I nearly killed her mon on the first move
uh oh
3x dragon dance haxorus
killed it in 2 steam rollers
thankfully
after using screech once of course
gym 8 done
dusky carbon
I suppose the tcg counts here
I got the Terapagos EX Ultra Premium Collection today. Had no idea it released yesterday LOL
astral kindle
Finally got it. Took twice as long as the base game did, lol.
Probably not gonna play the sequel right away
coarse estuary
now you can try my achievement lists if you fancy
astral kindle
I'll look at them. I'm probably going to play infinite fusion for a while though
coarse estuary
scam
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1IuJuc_4nt0RTpiqPh5HJYO2M_WdPUrCs?usp=drive_link but here they are to look at
astral kindle
Good stuff in there. I'll have to save it for when I get to those games
shell oak
Just finished shiny hunting this trio!
deft crescent
maybe the AI was never given the logic on who to revive so it just can't do anyt...
All pokemon were alive it metronomed into it so maybe that broke it
Out of EVERY MOVE in pokemon it had to be that one
cloud lark
yeah the one on the left is 100% better
White version really got the long end of the stick, huh? Way prettier Opelicid version and a dozen version exclusives
unkempt egret
held off on halloween missions?
sterile moss
yahh!!
sweet crypt
Let's see, will people know which Pokemon these are?
(You must specify which is which)
Answer: ||The first image is Great Tusk's statline, and the second is Buzzwole's||
These 2 Pokemon are very scarily similar in stats, even both having 53 in both special stats
They even ||share one type||, you can consider that a hint if you're struggling
They're also ||both absolute GOATs in Singles||. Yes, I'm considering that a hint, since ||knowing both have high tier history narrows things down a LOT||
shell oak
I gave up on go recently. Their greed is reaching disgusting levels
sterile moss
im mostly playing go because i need to walk more
cant stay in the good ol cave for too long
peak ferry
bro edited that like 3 times
vague spruce
Anyone wanna do group quests in Scarlet Violet?
sterile moss
bro edited that like 3 times
hi jesh.
sterile moss
vague spruce
Any of you wanna group quest in SV?
peak ferry
I haven't played that game in like 20 years
peak ferry
<:HystericalLaugh:1225362367316234281>
Why is bro tweaking
peak ferry
Literally WHAT does that even mean
peak ferry
WHAT ARE YOU SAYING 😭
sterile moss
bros slow
vague spruce
Hiomura, do you have the SV dlc?
sterile moss
peak ferry
That's funny
lusty iris
Anyone wanna do group quests in Scarlet Violet?
normally yes but busy weekend
sterile moss
I was so close to getting my first hundo…
peak ferry
I was so close to getting my first hundo…
I have 50
sterile moss
Ooohh that's cool
peak ferry
Guess what I lied
sterile moss
oh 
sterile moss
can you add me 
peak ferry
Maybe
sweet crypt
Alright, stupid dumb question here
peak ferry
can you add me <:AlinaGrab_MM:822303053964640277>
What's your code
sweet crypt
Favourite Lepidopteran Pokemon?
(Butterflies and moths)
The only one where it isn't obvious if the Pokemon is a lepidopteran or not is Masquerain
Whose Japanese name has Moth in it
So I'm gonna say it is a moth
peak ferry
Butterfree
sterile moss
dm'd you
sweet crypt
Time to look at my tierlist
So firstly, I will list the Pokemon I define as a lepidopteran
Butterfree
Venomoth
Beautifly
Dustox
Masquerain
Mothim
Volcarona
Vivillon
Gmax Butterfree
Frosmoth
Slither Wing
Iron Moth
Am I forgetting anyone?
Ig I could include the prevos but nah
Time to order them
S Tier
Volcarona (2nd place overall due to a tie)
Iron Moth, Frosmoth (5th place overall due to a lot of ties)
Slither Wing
A Tier
Venomoth
Gmax Butterfree
B Tier
Masquerain
Vivillon
C Tier
Mothim
Dustox and Beautifly
Butterfree (I've heard of Bye Bye Butterfree but I didn't watch the Pokemon anime whatsoever. I think this is extremely important info for this ranking.)
Now if I direct your attention to these Pokemon
Volcarona, Frosmoth, Venomoth, Masquerain, Mothim and Dustox all learn Quiver Dance (Butterfly Dance in JP)
Which is already more than half of all lepidopterans
Why is it not called Moth Dance, Gamefreak?
Wait mb it is exactly half
Well including Gmax Butterfree
Which probably shouldn't be included for this
So yeah more than half
sweet crypt
Like I said the JP name has Moth in it
Good enough for me
It appears in Area Zero like every moth in SV so close enough
And if you have bad eyesight you can read amemoth as am a moth
It is a stretch but hey its name points towards it being a moth
It's just also a water strider at the same time
This happens a lot
Vaporeon was a Dog-Fish hybrid and is now a Cat-Fish hybrid
The Legendary Beasts take inspiration mostly from cats, but do have elements of other animals in them like dogs
Yes a lot of them involve cats and/or dogs, cats and dogs are popular animals
Samurott is obviously based on an otter
But is also based on a sea lion
Mankey is literally the pig monkey Pokemon
Mamoswine
Bottom Text
Primarina, half fish half sea lion
lusty iris
And if you have bad eyesight you can read amemoth as am a moth
I’m aware
sweet crypt
A lot of past Paradoxes are just the Pokemon they are+Dinosaur
lusty iris
I’m just an enviro sci person and get Snippy
sweet crypt
Well if you want to believe the occulture magazine
But bro this mf is not a pterosaur
Heck some of these Pokemon aren't even animal+animal
They're animal+plant, or animal+object
Venonat is a literal moth ball, we have 3 seperate fully evolved jet dragons
Etc
There's even Animal+Fungi we have Toedscool
lusty iris
Winged water striders feel closer imo
sweet crypt
It's a squid that's actually just a fucking mushroom lmao
sweet crypt
Winged water striders feel closer imo
Well Gamefreak clearly thinks it's a moth
So I'm gonna trust Gamefreak
lusty iris
I respect this
sweet crypt
I mean sure they suck at balancing stuff
But I mean they are trustworthy enough to keep Spore distribution reasonable
lusty iris
But I mean they are trustworthy enough to keep Spore distribution reasonable
Toedscruel ‼️‼️
sweet crypt
Toedscruel ‼️‼️
Mycelium Might gg
Might be one of the few times they balanced Singles better than VGC right here honestly
Since technically you could use like
Ngas Weezing or something
Or Skill Swap/Entrainment
Etc
Oh also their balancing in Gen 3 wasn't total wack
So back then they could be trusted to balance
And guess who's from Gen 3?
sterile moss
oughh how am i going to beat a gigantamax toxtricity
THIS THING STINKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
peak ferry
Why is bro awake
peak ferry
You're telling me you napped for under an hour
sterile moss
napping usually takes around 15 minutes
peak ferry
oughh how am i going to beat a gigantamax toxtricity
You need friends
peak ferry
napping usually takes around 15 minutes
That is NOT a nap
sterile moss
IT IS
sterile moss
it needs atleast 40 people
and um
I did try the dynamax one
I just needed more drill guys
peak ferry
Get more drill guys
sterile moss
the thing is im tired and lazy to go out
peak ferry
You just napped
peak ferry
There's no way
sterile moss
There's no way
there's a way
also if i want to grind mon go really bad i need to go in town
I DONT WANNA DO THAT
peak ferry
WHY NOT
sterile moss
I DONT HAVE GAS MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
peak ferry
Just walk
sterile moss
im not a beggar
peak ferry
Get a job
sterile moss
I HAVE A JOB.
peak ferry
So why no gas money
sterile moss
i dont wanna waste money just go play mon go
sterile moss
peak ferry
Shut up
peak ferry
:(
sterile moss
DONT ACT SO INNOCENT NOW
peak ferry
:(
peak ferry
:((
peak ferry
You're mean
sterile moss
nuh uh
peak ferry
Yuh huh
sterile moss
nope
peak ferry
YEP
sterile moss
noope
peak ferry
Yeepp
sterile moss
you are
peak ferry
No I'm not
sterile moss
peak ferry
I'm sorryy
sterile moss
peak ferry
What 😭
sterile moss
its me bawling my eyes out
peak ferry
I don't think that's what that is
sterile moss
ok
peak ferry
Wdym ok
sterile moss
ok
sterile moss
alright
peak ferry
THAT'S THE SAME THING
sterile moss
okey
peak ferry
Bro
sterile moss
cant talk im driving
peak ferry
What happened to the gas money wasn't worth it
sterile moss
What happened to the gas money wasn't worth it
i got a story
peak ferry
What's your story
peak ferry
YOU ACTUALLY CAUGHT IT
peak ferry
Ihy
sterile moss
❤️❤️❤️
peak ferry
This was the only one out of like 10 pokemon I was able to catch
peak ferry
Stfu
sterile moss
i bought a pokemon card pack
sterile moss
cough cough
peak ferry
It's trash
sterile moss
IM NOT GOING TO OPEN THEM IN A MALL
peak ferry
Why is bro in a mall
sterile moss
Why is bro in a mall
im getting my hair done
look at me spoiling this big boy
but we dont talk about dat
sterile moss
HOLY
peak ferry
Yes it is
They're like
Impossible to catch with ultra balls
But you can still try
sterile moss
no
peak ferry
Wdym no
sterile moss
do i evolve this
sterile moss
I mean im asking you for a reason
peak ferry
Then don't
peak ferry
I MEANT DON'T EVOLVE
peak ferry
I hope your phone explodes
peak ferry
What 😭
sterile moss
i dont think my phone will last until i finish doing my hair
maybe ill do that some other day
peak ferry
That's crazy
sterile moss
you know what else is crazy?
peak ferry
What
sterile moss
peak ferry
No I'm not
sterile moss
one day we all will
untold hill
Nuh uh
imagine dying
sterile moss
go away yuty
peak ferry
What did bro do 😭
untold hill
Nah, I’d Win.
peak ferry
You are indeed
sterile moss
i dont think theres any cp!!! is going to pop out again
untold hill
Tf is a cp
peak ferry
No
peak ferry
No
sterile moss
fine
peak ferry
Buy them yourself
untold hill
This is the best decision I have taken in this entire year
peak ferry
It's not that bad
sterile moss
DUDE NOOOOO
sterile moss
A FEMALE WOBUFFET FLED
peak ferry
Skill issue
untold hill
Why did you want a female one
sterile moss
RIGHT WHEN I WAS ABOUT TO CLICK ON IT
sterile moss
Skill issue
thats not very nice
untold hill
“Smelly” 
peak ferry
thats not very nice <:cryingaboutit:1304123595525455872>
You'll get it next time!
sterile moss
why does it have a tumor
peak ferry
Stop being mean to the poor guy
sterile moss
anyways
frank lily
Day 1 haul
sterile moss
usually i get around 2-3 shinies a day
peak ferry
Bro had to have bought the ticket
sterile moss
today i didnt get any
peak ferry
today i didnt get any
Me neither 😔
sterile moss
peak ferry
Huh
sterile moss
i didnt buy no ticket.
peak ferry
I was talking about the other guy
sterile moss
Mods
peak ferry
Jk!!
sterile moss
I wont I wont
peak ferry
Good
radiant leaf
Scam link
sterile moss
oh
sterile moss
vapid cliff
Anyone care to join?
delicate hollow
Currently playing a fan game featuring new evolutions for gen 1 and 2 Pokemon but ONLY the gen 1 and 2 Pokemon are in the game, sorry Hoenn fans or those looking to complete the full national dex with 1025 Pokemon upto date as this fan game only goes up to Celebi (or whoever the new Fakemon legendary is, if it has Fakemon legends and myths included though I doubt it)
||They also have new types introduced called the Aether type and the Chaos type so you can guess the name of the fan game I'm referring to||
coarse estuary
Currently playing a fan game featuring new evolutions for gen 1 and 2 Pokemon bu...
i cant and wont guess
untold hill
Chaos type so unique fr
coarse estuary
Chaos type so unique fr <:Trollgar:1074705972095881386>
we need soap type
north crow
me when someone says we need light and sound types and i guide them towards light screens and boomburst 
tulip crown
It feels like Umbreon is a few good moves away from being busted
They should give umbreon quiver dance
And he becomes a monster
Unstoppable
Because his stats are the tankiest stats you've ever seen and he learns baton pass
If he can throw up a few quiver dances and baton pass into something capable of sweeping
sweet crypt
Thankfully Smogon banned Baton Pass
tulip crown
He would be broken
sweet crypt
Baton Pass is stupid
tulip crown
Umbreon has the most shallow move pool of any evee variant
sweet crypt
If something has Baton Pass there's a good chance it can be at least viable and at best broken
tulip crown
And its by design
sweet crypt
Umbreon has the most shallow move pool of any evee variant
Nah, it's blessed with shit like Toxic and Moonlight iirc
tulip crown
His stats are dangerous
sweet crypt
I mean it lost a few of them but shh
tulip crown
We usually see high defence pokemon be low hp
tulip crown
Seeing 110/130 defences with 95 hp
sweet crypt
Relies on Water Pulse for coverage
tulip crown
That's stats that could be dangerous with the right moveset
Body press coverage unironically would bring Umbreon up a tier
sweet crypt
Is Umbreon currently RU or NU
tulip crown
Body press, bulk up etc
sweet crypt
I forgor
tulip crown
I don't know
I don't think anyone uses Umbreon
His base 60 attack and special attack with a severe lack of good moves
Its a wall with no damage potential
sweet crypt
Honestly if Umbreon is RU
unkempt egret
aren't all of the eeveelutions NU at best
unkempt egret
outside of espeon sometimes because the higher tiers are that desperate for stealth rock checks
tulip crown
aren't all of the eeveelutions NU at best
I've seen some pretty sick sweeping teams with quick feet Jolteon or pixelate sylveon
unkempt egret
the eeveelutions in general got ran the hell over by the power creep in gen 6 rofl
sweet crypt
I've seen some pretty sick sweeping teams with quick feet Jolteon or pixelate sy...
Jolteon's like PU or PUBL or something isn't it?
tulip crown
Jolteon having quick feet means he out speeds everything no exception
If u toxic orb him
unkempt egret
outside of the ones (flareon, glaceon, and to an extent leafeon) that were never high-tier relevant in the first place
sweet crypt
If u toxic orb him
Why would you use Toxic Orb and not Flame Orb
unkempt egret
toxic orb's only used on flareon because flame orb just doesn't work on it
(and is far worse off for that)
sweet crypt
Fire type with Guts it's so over
unkempt egret
both guts and facade ignore burn's stat reduction and apply their own boosts instead
sweet crypt
This shit's like Toxic Boost being just Guts but only for Poison
sweet crypt
The 50% reduction and the 30% guts boost
Guts is 50%
unkempt egret
so it'd just be the 50% guts boost
unkempt egret
so basically turning -50% into +50%
unkempt egret
guts has always done that, facade started doing that in gen... 6 I think?
unkempt egret
I thought it just cancelled out
I mean for what it's worth, gutsless facade used to cancel itself out with burn but as I said gen 6 or 7 changed that
tulip crown
Yeah flame orb then on jolteon
sweet crypt
Zangoose and Flareon really suffer for needing Toxic Orb
unkempt egret
meanwhile drifblim getting special guts just for burn
sweet crypt
They need to buff Toxic Boost to not just be inferior Guts
unkempt egret
something it generally doesn't use anyway because it wants that speed boost from unburden
sweet crypt
meanwhile drifblim getting special guts _just_ for burn
At least there's no comparable ability to Flare Boost
unkempt egret
They need to buff Toxic Boost to not just be inferior Guts
maybe make it 1.5x if regular poison, 2x if badly poisoned
tulip crown
Jolteon gets electro ball with base 130 speed and quick feet
It's base 150 DMG in so many scenarios
unkempt egret
which 2x sounds strong but you put yourself on such a nasty timer that I feel like that might still not be enough
unkempt egret
meanwhile why run jolteon when you can run things with much higher and more effecient stats and a better ability like zapdos
tulip crown
I mean, after quick feet I think jolteons bst is higher than Zapdos
Isn't Zapdos 600
sweet crypt
On a timer, on a mon that wants to run Substitute
unkempt egret
or ones that don't just let in ground types #1-8 in for free to start runing everyone
sweet crypt
And Calm Mind
sweet crypt
Jolteon also just cannot break past Ground types without Tera
unkempt egret
or you could also use raging bolt so speed stats become irrelevant when you have priority
sweet crypt
Like your best option is like
unkempt egret
and you have dragon options in the wings
sweet crypt
Sub, Calm Mind, Electric Move and Shadow Ball
Which is just sad
Or you go Specs with like
Thunderbolt, Volt Switch, Shadow Ball, Signal Beam/Tera Blast depending on generation
Idk
tulip crown
Yeah jolteon likely wants to run quick feet into electro ball to get a 150 base DMG move in most cases
unkempt egret
yea point is that having two 65's and a 60 on your stat spread is no longer OU worthy like it was in gens 1-4, in gen 9 it's barely even RU worthy
sweet crypt
He won't want to run specs
I doubt it hits 150 on some of the OU mons
unkempt egret
nowadays if your lowest non-attacking (and speed on some mons) stat is 80 you'd better have something good to make up for that
tulip crown
130 base speed +50%
sweet crypt
For example, Booster Speed Iron Val
tulip crown
It's 195
sweet crypt
Thankfully, Iron Val is a frail motherfucker
tulip crown
Jolteon is fast
unkempt egret
that's not how stat boosting works
sweet crypt
So it hopefully shouldn't matter
tulip crown
that's not how stat boosting works
Well it would be how it works
You are adding 50% to the number
sweet crypt
It isn't, EVs complicate matters
unkempt egret
yea jolteon with that spread gets 591 speed
sweet crypt
But that's not gonna change calculations much
Oh really?
unkempt egret
while iron valiant running the SD set with a quarky speed boost gets 546
tulip crown
You calculate the added stats before adding on the speed boost
The bst is calculated off of stats at lvl 50
With no eva or IVs
And no nature
unkempt egret
electro ball in that case is only getting 60 base power
tulip crown
Yeah we call that a bad matchup
unkempt egret
(electro ball in general is a newbie trap for a few reasons, that being one of them lol)
tulip crown
We don't use Jolteon in this case we switch em out
sweet crypt
Jolteon is somewhere between base 219 and 220 with Quick Feet and EVs
unkempt egret
I mean we don't use jolteon we use zapdos in that case
sweet crypt
This is faster than Regieleki
unkempt egret
which might loose its boots but 0 SpA Zapdos Hurricane vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Iron Valiant: 432-510 (149.4 - 176.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
tulip crown
Depending what you want to run on your Jolteon
sweet crypt
Zapdos is better than Jolteon because one is a sweeper with the least amount of coverage ever and one is an all around beast
unkempt egret
252 SpA Jolteon Alluring Voice vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Iron Valiant: 234-276 (80.9 - 95.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
...oh right the eeveelutions now get fairy coverage
sweet crypt
I'm braindead
sweet crypt
...oh right the eeveelutions now get fairy coverage
Ig you use that over Signal Beam
Maybe even Shadow Ball idk
unkempt egret
either way jolteon is in ZU
sweet crypt
Alluring Voice has low BP but like
That's a given
If the Eeveelutions get it as coverage
Unless you're an ice move on Vaporeon or something
unkempt egret
which means that leafeon probably fell into Unusable Don't Use This alongside flareon and glaceon
also yea umbreon is the highest ATM at only RU
sweet crypt
Zapdos will consistently hit harder than Jolteon, can clear hazards (if you aren't in Gen 9), is bulky, has a better defensive type (At least, in my opinion), can punish contact moves with Static etc
unkempt egret
as I said we've come a long way from the eeveelution stats being acceptable in competitive play
sweet crypt
All Jolteon has on Zapdos is speed
unkempt egret
actually even in earlier gens weren' the eeveelutions mostly used for baton pass before the community declared that move to be 🧀 and banned it (mostly as a result of espeon/scolipede/sylveon opening everyone's eyes to it being 🧀 in gen 6 rofl)
sweet crypt
With how the Eeveelutions are made (Type specialists with glaring weaknesses in both stats and movepool) they aren't gonna be doing much nowadays
unkempt egret
yea they're very much teaching tools to tell someone how a pokemon/type is designed (or how they shouldn't be in flareon/glaceon's cases) before they move into the actually workable stuff
sweet crypt
I mean you can have one or the other and still work
tulip crown
Well Umbreon baton pass would be insane too lmfao this thing can facetank long enough to pull out 2 quiver dances while assault vested. And then baton pass (assuming he could learn quiver dance) instead he only has calm mind but 2 calm minds into a quick feet Jolteon is a clean sweep probably.
sweet crypt
Unless you want to argue Iron Valiant and Great Tusk having piss poor special bulk isn't a flaw
tulip crown
Or into anything meta as an attacker
sweet crypt
But having both and not much payoff
tulip crown
But sv is definitely a mistake
unkempt egret
competitive in general is a mistake for me lol
tulip crown
In general they over power crept
sweet crypt
... Wait, wouldn't not having much payoff be the result?
tulip crown
Added way to many borderline legendaries
sweet crypt
SV is definitely THE powercreep region
tulip crown
For one gen
unkempt egret
gen 6 probably
sweet crypt
Or Gen 6?
unkempt egret
gen 5 for abilities, gen 6 for stats (mostly due to megas)
sweet crypt
Ig you could argue Gen 7 with Magearna
But Magearna is banned in every other generation
unkempt egret
gen 5 does have a lot of "you didn't do X, you lose on the spot" situations though between rampaging dragons and someone's weather being fully established
tulip crown
Weather meta wasn't power creep
Imo
Because it made already existing pokemon more powerful
Most of the new gen 5 pokemon were underwhelming
Outside of legendaries
And moxie users
sweet crypt
I dunno, Latios went from Ubers even without Soul Dew to being a competitor for best OU mon
tulip crown
But the addition of hidden abilities such as Ninetales drought did being a weather meta
sweet crypt
That's definitely some level of creep
tulip crown
Gen 5 had a lot of underwhelming pokemon
But they added more access to weather setters
And of course the genies
sweet crypt
Kyurem-B having that gargantuan BST and still being OU because no STAB
tulip crown
The box arts for gen 5 are honestly cleared by gen 3 and 4 box arts
sweet crypt
The box arts for gen 5 are honestly cleared by gen 3 and 4 box arts
Nonsense
tulip crown
Kyogre
sweet crypt
Palkia and Dialga at least nowadays are so ass
tulip crown
Exists
sweet crypt
At least only Reshiram is ass between it and Zekrom