Anyone who's ever worked on a game, as small as it may be, will be familiar enough with the process to know a lot of stuff is left at the cutting room, and even more stuff doesn't even get there.
#other-pokemon-games
lucid scarab
proper iris
None I'm guessing
Someone could, so they did.
Also apparently GF has confirmed it was a victim of hacking, according to BBC
So it would seem at least some of the stuff in the leak was really taken from them and not faked
... the only stuff they confirmed was the personal info of employees had been breached though. No comment on if the beta stuff was real or not.
proven geyser
placeholders are valid explanations tbh
coarse estuary
this is my favorite team ive used in every main like game. let me know your thoughts and ask any questions you may have
proven geyser
did u just want to use new stuff plus lax in arceus
unkempt egret
knowing tcp I also wouldn't be surprised if they aren't allowed to even acknowledge the existence of the beta stuffs
proven geyser
probably not, sometimes they reuse old ideas if someone else gets a look at it in a new light
any new stuff is now subject to change or outright deletion because of the asshole who leaked that
if they just posted the old stuff it would have been fine
like you already have the information, just cut the fat
then the pc would have been able to do their "oh, yknow" thing
without the whole "fuck you just leaked actual locations of our employees"
we get games faster and faster and these people are so fucking desperate that they just hack in and slap anything they find with no consideration
proper iris
this is my favorite team ive used in every main like game. let me know your thou...
That gen1 team, was it in actual gen1 or remakes?
Bc that'll make my opinion on that Jolteon be different
coarse estuary
That gen1 team, was it in actual gen1 or remakes?
all the games with remakes are remakes so its frlg,hgss,oras,and bdsp
proper iris
Aaaah makes sense
A pretty good team
But if you used that one on the og, that jolteon would've been an absolute crit monster
Love that gen 2 team as well, typh and umbreon my beloveds <3
I miss mine. Lost them in pokemon bank at some point.
Simipour on gen 5? I don't actually see many people use the monkeys in their teams so that's a fun addition
Chesnaught appreciator spotted as well! Knight boi needs more love.
No strong opinions or clever quips to make about the other teams
Just give everyone some poffins/ puffs/ beans/ whatever is the generation's treat
They deserve it
coarse estuary
i will say the bw1 team is my favorite of all 11 as thats the one where i found a random shiny joltik to replace the one i was already plannin on using because galv is my 2nd fave pokemon ever
proper iris
Joltik and galvantula have a special place in my heart bc they made a lot of people I know less afraid of spiders
Also they're just pretty good
I miss my BW1 gang. Especially my first ever event pokemon, a Dream World Arceus called Odin
I think that was the only event where we could ever name an Arceus
It got lost in Bank at some point in the early 2010s
coarse estuary
also i love showing my bw1 team to anyone who hasnt played gen 5 before so they wonder why i dont have a flyer on my team even though i do
proper iris
Oh I didn't even realize! Sygiliph, right?
Or Golurk...? I know it can fly like a rocket but idk if it can learn fly
coarse estuary
its golurk. it can learn fly and i dont like teaching special attacking flying types fly
proper iris
The mental image of that giant thing flying with a trainer on its shoulder
Is more amusing than it should be
.... I apparently forgot to save my game last night. I have no clue if anyone in my main team fainted in the Galactic building
But at least I still got my badge so Dusty is still the MVP
Also why the bassline of the track in this building goes so hard
proven ore
Idk where to ask so I'm doing it here. Is this actually real or fake cus looks fanmade but it belongs to the leaks?
proper iris
May be either.
untold hill
Yesn’t
proven ore
Aight
proper iris
But if real, probably some kind of concept art
proven ore
But if real, probably some kind of concept art
Like a beta art
proper iris
Yep, something for the sprite artists to base themselves on
Rather than something meant to be put in a game as-is
Or who knows, maybe it was a concept for a movie
I've heard stuff for detective Pikachu and its planned sequel were in the leak too
proper iris
I forgot the name of the concept artist responsible for the realistic pokemon, but it fits his art style really well
I used to follow the guy on DA, but can't remember the account name to save my life
unkempt egret
I was gonna say the art style aside I could see it as like an alt form
unkempt egret
grass/ground, playing off the sand-blood pokedex entries
sand spit as the ability perhaps if we allow gen 8-9 stuffs
proper iris
https://www.deviantart.com/arvalis/art/Koraidon-943555174
This is more modern art the fella made
untold hill
Paradise
proper iris
If that cacturne is made by him, then it's many years old bc of how his style evolved
graceful osprey
Yknow the most annoying part of the leaks or whoever enough wanna call them is all the pea brains are gunna take the scrapped ideas as canon
proper iris
But when compared to way, WAY earlier concept art made for the film...
https://www.deviantart.com/arvalis/art/Detective-Pikachu-Arcanine-802241386
proper iris
Yknow the most annoying part of the leaks or whoever enough wanna call them is a...
The only thing in there that could be taken as somewhat canon (until proven otherwise) should be the legendary triangles, but even that is just. Works in progress and scrapped stuff and people making sense of what they were working on from behind the scenes.
That'll be frustrating as hell to deal with, indeed
proper iris
The story is likely way older than hisui.
That stuff may have been for gen 4
And it's just myths.
proven geyser
i'm just ignoring it all because i hear new content is sprinkled in there, and i really don't want to be spoiled
proper iris
People don't realize that real world myths are just as fucked up if not more
graceful osprey
Fuck it
proven geyser
plus they might reuse old shit, or might have if it didn't get leaked
proper iris
They're just. Stuff that was considered, not canon
unkempt egret
Ideas
proven geyser
disney has dumbed down and cutesy-fied the public perception of old stories and myths, shit was so incredibly fucked
proper iris
Plus it seems out of all of those, the slakoth story had the most tangible moral.
"If you harm others, you'll suffer similar harm"
graceful osprey
||the slowking one is just straight up wrong cause the female in the breeding equation is always the result for the breeding prosses, therefore its theoretically impossible for a female human to birth a pokemon||
proper iris
I THOUGHT THE SAME
lucid scarab
But when compared to way, WAY earlier concept art made for the film...
https://w...
Oh, RJ Palmer
He did the CGI for Detective Pikachu
proven geyser
oh good for him!
unkempt egret
I thought palmer was only on the project for a little bit?
proper iris
But also as said. It's myth with what seemed like a lesson to convey. So...
proper iris
I thought palmer was only on the project for a little bit?
Mostly the concept art phase, yes
The CGI was a different team
proven geyser
omg is that a lamball gif border sheep
proper iris
But based on his designs
proper iris
I'd like to believe he didn't design the gengar
Possible, there were a couple other designers involved
Plus the cgi team
proven geyser
jesus fucking christ it looks ai generated by dall e mini
graceful osprey
So
proper iris
Who had to translate the concepts to actual models
lucid scarab
omg is that a lamball gif border sheep
Yeah. There was a Palworld promotion on Discord
graceful osprey
I'll do it in spoiler tag
unkempt egret
you say that but
graceful osprey
Since guzzma don't want spoilers
unkempt egret
some of the gengars we have in IF...
graceful osprey
||the live action Netflix pokemon is going to be a goddamn dumpsterfire. Live action never works why do they keep trying||
proper iris
||the live action Netflix pokemon is going to be a goddamn dumpsterfire. Live ac...
I mean. I do think detective Pikachu worked.
graceful osprey
Unless it's one piece
proper iris
But let's see
graceful osprey
I mean. I do think detective Pikachu worked.
Is the sonic movie live action?
proper iris
Is the sonic movie live action?
Yes
proper iris
Live action+animation
proven geyser
oh we bullied the animators into making sonic not dogshit
graceful osprey
Still think it's gunna suck
proven geyser
if they showed some of the worse models we would have bullied them to fix it, too
royal we as in i didn't say anything myself
proper iris
Gaia
graceful osprey
Some Greek word
proper iris
As in, "earth"
proper iris
Codenames don't usually mean much
proven geyser
augh leaving the channel 
proper iris
They're just there bc you gotta call them something
graceful osprey
It's fine
proper iris
Ah, sorry Speedy
graceful osprey
It means literally nothing or I'd spoiler tag it
lucid scarab
In Gen 10, you get 100 Poké from every trainer you beat, but every item costs at least 100k
graceful osprey
Any important stuff I'm spoiler tagging
lucid scarab
I'm making shit up
graceful osprey
||like zygarde getting a mega form for some god forsaken reason||
Why
Why did they do this
proper iris
Silly thing, as a kid I didn't understand poké were based on yen, so I was like "HOW THE HELL IS EVERY ITEM SO EXPENSIVE??? WHO GIVES AWAY 100 BUCKS AFTER A FIGHT????"
graceful osprey
Me
graceful osprey
I mever questioned it
graceful osprey
Cause yknow
Fantasy world
The part I question is how literal children can pay me
proven geyser
it makes so much more sense to add a decimal after to zeroes, so if you beat a child in pokemon you get 5.60USD from them
proper iris
I'm autistic so I always tried to find the logic in stuff.
Sometimes that only made stuff more confusing
proven geyser
oh same i just always reasoned it was yen
proper iris
This was one such case bc I didn't know yen when I was a kid
lucid scarab
||like zygarde getting a mega form for some god forsaken reason||
Shiny Mega Gigantamax Tera-Stellar Charizard 100% Primal Origin Form
graceful osprey
I didn't mnow japan existed
proven geyser
oh mood
graceful osprey
I thought the world was America
proven geyser
erica
proper iris
Am Brazilian so can't relate
graceful osprey
Child me didn't know any better
To be fair
If I wanna go to town I need to drive for like 20 fucking minutes
lucid scarab
Kids are xenophobic until yoy teach them otherwise
proper iris
We got so many movies from the US and Europe so that helped
graceful osprey
several people are typing
proper iris
But currency was another issue
untold hill
I like how it took me so long to notice this channel’s name is “official”Pokémon games lol
graceful osprey
It changed
proper iris
And "official" currently means not a lot
lucid scarab
I was originally raised around white people and so my first thought when seeing a black person was "They have some kind of skin disease"
graceful osprey
I'd say that but
proper iris
Kids minds
graceful osprey
My first friend was mexican
proven geyser
I was originally raised around white people and so my first thought when seeing ...
it's not -phobic to just genuinely not understand something, it just seems bad because you have no other context
proper iris
They're fascinating things
graceful osprey
I was so confused why some adults treated him a little different than me
proven geyser
kids have zero filters and are sponges for info
lucid scarab
Didn't help that they had skin tags all over.
proven geyser
well, in that case they probably did have an unrelated skin issue
lucid scarab
Yes but I thought it also caused people to be black
proven geyser
sounds bad but you had nother other context so it's excusable at that moment in time
graceful osprey
Yea you don't know anything as a child so you ask questions about everything
proper iris
Some strains of ol' herpes viruses. They cause skin tags and moles bc the body tries to encapsulate it so it can't spread.
graceful osprey
Adults tend to forget that
proven geyser
if we were more empathetic to children then the world would be a better place. not perfect, but noticably better
graceful osprey
I still ask question cause there's still a lot of stuff I don't know
proper iris
Also there's keloids, which are indeed more common in darker skinned people and can look like skin tags sometimes.
latent totem
proper iris
But are just overgrown scars
proven geyser
ayo hol up
graceful osprey
That can be taken one of two ways
graceful osprey
Especially right now
untold hill
What
proper iris
And that's how they're no longer endangered
latent totem
And that's how they're no longer endangered
graceful osprey
BRUH
proven geyser
"bro wtf u askin-" "get me a boyfriend tf u think i meant"
latent totem
i'm just over here laughin because this is all now pretty much canon
graceful osprey
there's no laws again pokemon batman
proper iris
We need that "two paths" meme here
proper iris
i'm just over here laughin because this is all now pretty much canon
It has been canon since gen4
graceful osprey
i'm just over here laughin because this is all now pretty much canon
Not at all
latent totem
It has been canon since gen4
true
graceful osprey
Scrapped concepts that were leaked
proven geyser
if this is about the leaks then none of it should be taken as canon
graceful osprey
if this is about the leaks then none of it should be taken as canon
Exactly
proper iris
Pokemon and humans have historically married.
That much is canon, at least in JP versions of DPPt
graceful osprey
That's the annoying bit is that over half the people will take them as canon
proper iris
The leaks, not canon.
proven geyser
what made the cut is what made the cut, easy as
graceful osprey
Pokemon and humans have historically married.
That much is canon, at least in J...
We don't talk about that
proven geyser
i think that part is furry bait tbh
latent totem
Scrapped concepts that were leaked
you say that, yet there's an entire quest in PLA that disagrees with you
proven geyser
huh?
graceful osprey
Unless I'm remembering wrong
latent totem
the froslass quest
proven geyser
if it was in a game then it's obviously not scrapped?
proper iris
Also people forget pokemon are on a bit of a sentience spectrum. And even the least sentient ones are higher in sentience and intelligence than irl animals, it seems.
latent totem
because it gets referenced in game
proven geyser
not everything is false abt the leaks ofc, just anything that isn't already mentioned in games shouldn't be taken seriously
that shouldn't have to be said
proven geyser
stalt
graceful osprey
You cannot expecting me to believe every kadabra is a human that just woke up one day and became a pokemon
Expect*
proper iris
So yeah. It's not too comfortable for many people to consider those things but grain of salt or not, it's already in the games, either as myths and fables or as history
proper iris
You cannot expecting me to believe every kadabra is a human that just woke up on...
I do imagine it happened at least once.
proven geyser
normal population doesn't pay attention to that
proper iris
But yeah the dex entries are clearly not literal
graceful osprey
Rotom 100% made up some of the gen 7 dex entries
proper iris
Maybe anecdotes, maybe exaggerated, but not literal at all
proven geyser
even if they give my side eyes when i say lopunny is one of my favorite pokemon and refuse to believe that it's because the evolution gimmick is funny
proper iris
And some contradict each other
graceful osprey
The legends arceus dex entries were written by a British person for they're gunna be a bit crazy
proper iris
Like, megas.
proven geyser
LMAO
graceful osprey
Like, megas.
OW MY BACK
proper iris
Some entries say it's horrifying for them
graceful osprey
AAAAAAAAAAAAAA
proper iris
Pinsir
graceful osprey
Then you got tyranatar
proven geyser
most people who RP pokemon series accept those as "these researchers have no connection to the pokemon they made the dex to, which is why is sucked for the mon"
proper iris
Pinsir has the time of their life
proven geyser
glalie
graceful osprey
The old amber bird?
graceful osprey
Look man I got fat fingers
proven geyser
i spelled it more phonetically tbh
brisk hedge
Look man I got fat fingers
Then get your fingers on a diet
graceful osprey
Imagine being brought back after thousands of yeara
proper iris
My personal justification is these pokemon trust their trainer enough to know it'll not last forever, and may believe the temporary pain to be worth the victory
proven geyser
that or it doesn't happen at all or is less severe if they love the trainer
graceful osprey
I think that's the entry
proper iris
Bc we know pokemon don't usually fight if they don't want to
latent totem
btw, wanna point something out here:
graceful osprey
It has so much mega energy that it almost explodes
latent totem
they're almost identical
proper iris
Yep
brisk hedge
btw, wanna point something out here:
untold hill
btw, wanna point something out here:
I thought that was science on first look 💀
graceful osprey
proper iris
Though arguably it's not at all canon bc like
graceful osprey
Genesect 2.0
latent totem
The event was never really available
...no?
proper iris
So that one is in the limbo
graceful osprey
It was
proper iris
It wasn't. The flute needed was never available
graceful osprey
Ita just not now
latent totem
you're thinking of arceus in platinum
proper iris
Aaah
proven geyser
they never released the flute to get the arceus needed for the event
latent totem
they released arceus themselves in hgss
graceful osprey
Gave kne for an event
proper iris
I do remember looking into it back in the day
proven geyser
what arceus? the one that was never legitimately available?
latent totem
what arceus? the one that was never legitimately available?
no there was an event arceus
level 100
proper iris
And having to resort to an Action Replay bc it was never available
latent totem
had all the creation trio moves
proper iris
This was a very specific arceus
latent totem
it was available in the US and japan
proper iris
Someone please check bulbapedia
latent totem
for like a month
proper iris
I'm currently cooking so can't go check rn myself
proven geyser
yeah it existed ig
proper iris
Huh
proud igloo
Yeah it was to tie in with Arceus and the Jewel of Life
proper iris
Interesting
proud igloo
Lv 100 and can be used in the Google Images event in HGSS
proper iris
Must've been a workaround bc of the flute issue
proven geyser
i don't think everything on the wheel in the leak is pure canon
proper iris
To distribute the arceus itself
proper iris
i don't think *everything on the wheel* in the leak is pure canon
Definitely
latent totem
right here
graceful osprey
What
graceful osprey
i don't think *everything on the wheel* in the leak is pure canon
No it 100% it
proven geyser
totally, my dad works at nintendo
graceful osprey
Do you not remember gordon?
proven geyser
MY FAVORITE LEGEND
graceful osprey
Everyone remembers Gordon
proven geyser
SAME W GYARADOS MY FAVORITE PSEUDO
latent totem
And Giratina isn't there
because giratina didn't exist, this was obviously a beta version of it
unkempt egret
You might want it to be so sometimes, but it is not
proud igloo
Besides that means you can ignore the interesting folktales that have come out
latent totem
granted for all we know this is lore that the devs all know to be canon, but intentionally have kept us from seeing
proper iris
Possibly
unkempt egret
plus the language barrier makes it easy to just assume what we want to assume from a general benchmark
proven geyser
if that's the only version of the wheel being filled, it's safe to say they abandoned it
proud igloo
I do wonder what the Titans under Groudon are
proper iris
And since it's not in game, it can be changed at any moment
graceful osprey
At the very least
proper iris
And likely already was
latent totem
the arceus still definitely feels like it is. the reveal that Palkia and Dialga are actually the origin of all the other legends feels pretty huge
proper iris
It's almost 20 years old
graceful osprey
It semi confirms the lugia thing isn't made up by fans
proven geyser
space and time are needed to exist, of course the creation gang is related to that
proper iris
That's when you consider the third camp:
"Semi-canon"
latent totem
yes, but the fact its so direct is the big thing here
graceful osprey
They probably scrapped it cause they knew future games would retcon it
proven geyser
THAT'S the big part
graceful osprey
Other legndsires would interfere with the wheel
proper iris
Aka, "as far as we're aware, this is truth, but can be proven otherwise bc it's not set in stone"
proven geyser
contradict!
graceful osprey
Yea that
latent totem
you don't make things with the express intent of contradicting them
proven geyser
arceus contradicts mew
graceful osprey
you don't make things with the express intent of contradicting them
That's why they didn't finish it
latent totem
no it doesn't
proven geyser
or at least makes things confusing
proper iris
arceus contradicts mew
Those two are a real paradox.
graceful osprey
New legendaries, paradoxes
latent totem
I think its pretty simple tbh
proper iris
Egg and chicken
proven geyser
i mean sure, arceus probably made mew who made the rest
proud igloo
And then you wonder why Paradox Pokemon were introduced in this generation.
proper iris
Either mew made the Arceus egg and then Arceus created the universe
Or Arceus made mew
latent totem
(normal as in they aren't a deity)
graceful osprey
Arceus made mew
proven geyser
oh yeah theyre mythical
graceful osprey
Mew made every pokemon
proven geyser
wait both are
unkempt egret
I want that "what is the first pokemon" image rofl
graceful osprey
In theory ditto was the first attempt to clone mew
unkempt egret
where the options are like bulbasaur, rhydon, mew, and arceus
graceful osprey
where the options are like bulbasaur, rhydon, mew, and arceus
Rhydon
proven geyser
rhydon my ancestor
proper iris
where the options are like bulbasaur, rhydon, mew, and arceus
I KNOW THE ONE
graceful osprey
DAMMIT
proper iris
But really no fanon: do we have any canon confirmation of whether Mew or Arceus came first? Can be from any canon, manga, games, animation, whatever
But from an official source.
proven geyser
nope
proud igloo
I don’t think so
proven geyser
they're both cited as the creator/first
graceful osprey
Over half of canon fans have had to assume
proper iris
"Kinda"
proud igloo
So real talk. If Evolotto managed get past the coding nightmare that is probably why it was binned to get it done how would it have worked?
proper iris
Therefore not canon.
graceful osprey
The main shit is canon
graceful osprey
The details we have to assume
proud igloo
proper iris
That doesn't mean that it's not something valid or widely believed or cool
proud igloo
This thing
graceful osprey
What
proper iris
But canon is not fanon
proud igloo
And well you can see for yourself why it would be a coding nightmare
proper iris
I love this blob
proud igloo
Like this is the most RNG thing to see
graceful osprey
The main story and main lore we are directly told via stories in then games
The stuff we have to guess is paradoxes and stuff
proper iris
Yes. And subtext helps.
graceful osprey
It's still unclear about where they exist
proud igloo
I assume Legendaries and Pokemon who can’t evolve but be exempt but imagine getting this guy early and then boom Dragonite at LV 10 or something
graceful osprey
If it's like a ub situation, a dream thing, or and actual past future
proud igloo
My theory is this would be a gift Pokemon from the Pokémon lottery if you get all the digits or something
Makes the most sense to me
proper iris
But with a franchise this old, so much of what we believe is canon is just. Stuff we assumed and it spread.
proven geyser
i still think it's just supposed to be an eevee clone
graceful osprey
There's the whole thing of the time machine being a dream machine
proven geyser
But I can see why it was scrapped
the entry doesn't look finished
latent totem
But really no fanon: do we have any canon confirmation of whether Mew or Arceus ...
I feel like the leaks are as definitive as you can get when it comes to which came first
proven geyser
i seriously, seriously doubt it means that
proud igloo
And then realise Game Freak aren’t coding experts
latent totem
it came directly from gamefreak themselves
proper iris
I feel like the leaks are as definitive as you can get when it comes to which ca...
At least for now, it's the best we got, yeah
proven geyser
not by their own hand
graceful osprey
I love when lore directly clashes woth other lore
latent totem
treat it as tentative canon
proper iris
Semi-canon so far
graceful osprey
probably the most confusing lore in pokemon for me is the primal versions of kyogre and groudon
proud igloo
Yeah I feel due to how this was obtained we have to treat it with a pinch of salt
latent totem
unless they say its not canon, it is
proper iris
Can be disproven or confirmed at any moment
proud igloo
After all Game Freak clearly didn’t want us to see the Typhlosion and Slaking stories
proven geyser
unless they say its not canon, it is
they didn't intend to let it get out, it stopped being worked on before giratina
that's enough to ignore it
graceful osprey
The alaking story that's theoretically impossible
Cause the female dictates the child
Not the male
proper iris
Bro we don't look at aesops and go "that'd never happen"
proven geyser
Not the male
and also gross, tbh
graceful osprey
I need to check something
proud igloo
And Rapidash can be added to the list of Pokemon never the same again from the leaks
Yes there is a Rapidash story
proud igloo
I am so sorry Rapidash fans
graceful osprey
Slaking or slowking*
proven geyser
why would you bring it up
latent totem
Bro we don't look at aesops and go "that'd never happen"
yeah, thats what these stories are supposed to be
proud igloo
Besides I feel these are meant to be like Youkai folklore stories
proper iris
Yes there is a Rapidash story
Does it make sense/ have a moral or is it like the octillery story
Where i still can make no sense of it at all
graceful osprey
Etiehr way still not feasible
proud igloo
Does it make sense/ have a moral or is it like the octillery story
It involves a Rapidash getting its mane removed
graceful osprey
Neither are the humanoid egg group
proud igloo
No don’t ask me how
graceful osprey
proven geyser
all i know is this shit has ruined pokemon discussions for the next forseeable future
latent totem
No don’t ask me how
carefully™️
proud igloo
The moral is to target males not females for hunting
Because to kill females means babies die
proven geyser
sorry, but *moral
proper iris
Interesting
proud igloo
It’s a hunting Aesop basically
proven geyser
bambi:
proud igloo
But of course we need to throw that in as well
proper iris
I feel like that's to drive home that pokemon and humans used to be one and the same.
graceful osprey
Ok I'm done
proud igloo
Yes and the myths said we are Palkia’s babies
proper iris
There's an argument to be made that humans in that world are pokemon as well
proud igloo
Someone said due to all the interesting stuff humans are canonically in the Field and Fairy Egg groups due to this
No we are not in the humanoid egg group
proud igloo
As for Fairy is due to PLA
proper iris
I mean
proud igloo
With the sidequest where there’s the Frolass wife
proven geyser
egg groups mean nothing if it's just a romance lmfao
proper iris
Exactly
proud igloo
Doubled checked and no babies
So no Humans aren’t Fairy Egg group
But the Octillery did produce babies
proper iris
Yeah
proud igloo
So we are either Water 1 or Water 2
proper iris
And that one is the one that makes little to no sense
proud igloo
Someone said maybe humans are like Dittos
proper iris
Wait it ain't water 3? Thought most invertebrates were water 3
proven geyser
oh huh, i didn't think there was a theme in water groups
proper iris
There is
proud igloo
Wait it ain't water 3? Thought most invertebrates were water 3
Nope Octillery is in Water 1 and 2 not 3
proper iris
Water 1 is basically amphibious creatures, they can go out of the water
Water 2 is mostly water-only
Fish and such
proven geyser
remoraid
proud igloo
Yeah maybe Remoraid is the reason
proper iris
Mostly invertebrates and fossils in water 3
But yeah considering remoraid it makes more sense
proud igloo
Now I need to double check the Lapras story to see if that had babies
proper iris
...oh OK all octopodes are in water 2 along with the fish
proud igloo
But if true we can narrow it down to Water 1
Yep Lapras had a human kid
So Humans are Field and Water 1
I dunno how to feel about humans not being compatible in the Humanlike group
RIP all Gardevoir x human fics with babies there are now no longer canon
proper iris
I mean.
proven geyser
man i hate this convo lmfao
proper iris
That means Jynx and Mr. Mime are not able to have spawn with humans
proven geyser
GOOD
proper iris
So I'm good with this
proven geyser
I DONT WANT THEM TO
proven geyser
wow thanks for the spoiler
proud igloo
To steer this back into sfw territory
proven geyser
of an unreleased game
tight granite
the leaks are being shared slowly right with later and later gens. so we arent close to any plza news yet i think
proud igloo
Also the leaked has decided not share anymore PLZA news
proven geyser
GOOD
tight granite
not that i care, i looked at some beta (beta kyruem is hype) and the slakoth story but thats all
proud igloo
So don’t worry this is what would have happened in X/Y
tight granite
how
proven geyser
fym how, game devs use old shit all the time
proud igloo
And I think it’s why we don’t get art books
proven geyser
yeah bc we keep leaking everything and they can't reuse any of it
or they can, but it's more annoying to do it
i can already imagine someone bashing their head against the wall bc one of the supervisors told a dev that "fuck it we ain't using that"
tight granite
fym how, game devs use old shit all the time
the how was for him saying he isnt game freak
how can we be sure
proven geyser
oh, real
too frustrated with the fact we can't have nice things to see the funni, mb
proper iris
And I think it’s why we don’t get art books
Maybe after this we can.
This is me hoping for a silver lining
I know it's unlikely
But would be nice to have some of this stuff with a context
And in a pretty format
... Does Jupiter have any PLA ancestor?
I'm here playing Platinum and trying to mentally correlate the areas in hisui and sinnoh
And the people, i guess
proud igloo
I think it’s one of the bandit ladies
And let’s be real we would pay good money for a art book of old Pokémon designs
proper iris
Two of my strongest were lost, but at least this was a major story battle so this at least means I can get the ones who were recovering in the box
proud igloo
I take it this is a Nuzlocke
proper iris
Instead of KO=death, they get benched until after the next big story battle
Basically recovering from their wounds
proud igloo
So Causal Mode Fire Emblem then
proper iris
Something like that!
But yeah. Fuck that skuntank. Night slash has never been so annoying
... Also I'm reminded of why I had, and apparently still have, a bit of a crush on Cynthia.
Pretty and strong lady who's into mythology
proud igloo
And also why pianos trigger anxiety in Pokémon fans
proper iris
Y E P
proper iris
I'm playing while listening to Sinnohvation, by InsaneInTheRain, and matching the song playing with where I am in game.
Can't wait to hear how the theme of childhood traumas was rearranged
Also heavily recommend the album.
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kahWIo0AdIVsn-W0nirT7cTaFi-rhtnCc&si=ZaCVcGS3p1De2sHr
FINALLY GOT THE EXP SHARE LET'S GOOOO
naive timber
proper iris
It's the classic style. Only gives exp to the one holding it
Still way more convenient than switch-training
proper iris
Welp. Boris the prinplup is down.
When it's bc of a tough battle that's one thing but no, it was just me being dumb and forgetting to switch him out
... I know there was something about Cyrus on the leaks ||that said he might be autistic||
And honestly as I'm playing this game I can kinda see it.
Of course that's not nearly half of what's going up in that brain of his but still.
proud igloo
I don’t like it
I know it’s 2006 and nobody cared about mental health and Japan even less so
proper iris
I'm not too fond of it either but. I see it.
proud igloo
It’s just the implications
proper iris
Do I like them villainizing divergence? No.
proud igloo
And it’s not even like Cyrus was like “ooo let’s steal a few Pokémon”
Dude was straight up gonna try and rewrite the entire universe
proper iris
Y e p
proud igloo
I know people sympathises with Cyrus because it’s implied he had a harsh childhood
proven geyser
honestly as an autistic person i think cyrus is autistic but has the worst coping mechanisms and ideas possible
proper iris
EXACTLY
proud igloo
But divergence isn’t a excuse to go full genocidal
Take Chris-Chan for example. Cursed name I know
proven geyser
no, see, he's probably ASD spectrum, but that has nothing to do with wanting to redo the universe
proper iris
Exactly
proud igloo
Everyone says the reason he/she/I cannot keep track is the way they are due to him being on the spectrum.
proper iris
It's a part of the character, not the whole
proven geyser
maybe a tiny part, but not the direct reason
proud igloo
Or the fact his life is so public
proven geyser
do not equate the nutjob to cyrus lmfao
this server is the last place i wanted to hear about them in 😭
proud igloo
But most people and especially most autistics do not behave like that.
It’s all on the individual
proud igloo
As such it’s still Cyrus’s choice to try and erase human spirit
proven geyser
half of the server is probably asd spec
proper iris
Yep
prime gyro
Cyrus was emotionally abused by his parents.
proven geyser
it's cyrus's choice and also is probably asd
i don't think a neurotypical would find so much difficulty with relating to people that they wanted a world where everyone was similar to him emotionally
proper iris
That is a part of him. May have partly shaped his views on the world. But it's not the cause of him being how he is
proud igloo
And also why does he have a Crobat
proud igloo
Silver didn’t have one because he treated Pokemon like tools
prime gyro
It's a subtle hint that Cyrus actually can care about something despite how he acts outwardly
proven geyser
tbf, autistic people are not incapable of love, it's just harder for the more emotionally stunted to express it
proper iris
My best theory is he doesn't know his own feelings
proper iris
Bc honestly a lot of autistic people can't quite label the things they feel
prime gyro
Cyrus just overall got burned so incredibly hard in childhood that he became extremely depressed and hated the world
proud igloo
It’s to do with empathy. Empathy is divided into two categories; Cognitive and Affective empathy
proper iris
Alexythimia my beloathed
proven geyser
I HAVE THAT FLAVOR OF AUTISM
graceful osprey
Ok then
proper iris
Me too
graceful osprey
Hydreigon just can't learn it
proven geyser
i can only define really strong emotions and the rest are just brain soup
prime gyro
Hydreigon just can't learn it
Kindly point to Hydreigon's claws
proud igloo
Affective empathy is feeling your own emotions
proper iris
Or alternatively: he may not be that fond of his crobat, but the crobat loves him
Relationships aren't always symmetrical
proud igloo
Most autistics have that, in fact some can feel it even stronger than neurotypical.
Cognitive empathy is recognising the emotions in others
proven geyser
if he wasn't fond of it he probably wouldn't have it, or if he didn't like it at least
proud igloo
That is where we struggle.
proper iris
Most autistics have that, in fact some can feel it even stronger than neurotypic...
As said, you're preaching to the choir.
proven geyser
Cognitive empathy is recognising the emotions in others
mine is stronger and my affective is nearly nonexistant!!
proper iris
Identifying the emotions is very different from feeling them
Even identifying them in ourselves sometimes
We know we're feeling something
proud igloo
Basically most autistic people cannot know the experiences of others if it’s completely different.
Then again it’s a spectrum.
Everyone is different
proper iris
But naming that feeling? That's tougher
graceful osprey
Ha
proven geyser
i'm good with determining how others feel in person, and can't identify or really feel shit myself
proper iris
... Fuck i turned off the ds accidentally
proud igloo
There’s also the fact Cyrus likes Rotoms
graceful osprey
I'm so used to gen 7 having to manually open doors that I just tried to do that in gen 9
proven geyser
HE DOES LIKE ROTOMS
proud igloo
He even has a positive interaction with the RotomDex in Ultra Sun/Ultra Moon
proven geyser
he has his own likes
proper iris
He seems to prefer machines to people, iirc
proven geyser
real
proud igloo
Surprised he didn’t have a lot of mechanical Pokemon then
proper iris
Honestly same
proud igloo
Instead of a team that dies when you sneeze rocks on it
proven geyser
maybe he also likes flying types
proud igloo
No seriously, every Pokémon Cyrus has is weak to Rock
proven geyser
the rotom dex was made for him in mind
graceful osprey
And throw it in a blender
proper iris
Rotom dex suffers from Navi Syndrome
proper iris
Made to be "cute" and "helpful" but it's annoying as fuck
graceful osprey
And anytime I wanna look at the map
proud igloo
I just ignore it
proven geyser
i relate heavy to cyrus tbh, just minus the universe destruction. he am i and i am he
proud igloo
And I’m pretty sure the reason Alola dex is much darker is Rotom messing with us
And here’s the thing.
There’s a lot of evidence to suggest Autism is linked to genetics
Sooo…
proven geyser
and?
proper iris
Honestly I feel like somewhere deep within me, I'd also like to reshape the universe.
Unlike Cyrus though, I am fully aware that's a bad idea
proven geyser
ur not looking hard enough
proper iris
As an AFAB person, can confirm
proven geyser
ditto
proven geyser
she's not as "severe" as cyrus, that's for sure, and she was probably treated better by her parents
proper iris
(And then overthink what you said for hours on end)
proud igloo
Also you have to remember the time period
proper iris
Also autism in women is way more masked
proven geyser
nodding nodding
if it was intentional, then they did a nice job of female autism tbh
proper iris
But would also help explain the tired looks she shares with her descendant
proven geyser
REAL
proper iris
If it wasn't intentional, I'm still clinging to it as a headcanon
proud igloo
And not because of the time a Wurmple got into her room
proven geyser
her reaction was valid tbh
proud igloo
Especially given they can poison
proper iris
Pokemon are terrifying to people in that setting
proven geyser
EXACTLY
proud igloo
It’s only because our character is a Isekei it’s not to us
proper iris
I think we'd all freak out a bit if a venomous wild animal got into our rooms
proven geyser
tbf she does have an abra, but psychic is weak to bug, which makes it more important for him to warp the worm away asap
proud igloo
And a Wurmple doesn’t offer much EXP
proven geyser
I think we'd all freak out a bit if a venomous wild animal got into our rooms
especially if it's the length of your fucking forearm
proper iris
And with enough intelligence to hold grudges and plan their moves
proven geyser
probably warped it to the icelands
i know the abra can, considering the retreat is on the other side of the map
proven geyser
"abra move it faster"
proud igloo
It’s always unnerving when you hear the Alpha caution music and you wonder WTF has happened
And then you see a red eyed Wurmple and is like 😑
proper iris
They're silly guys
proven geyser
tushie faced
proud igloo
And then you sigh and throw your Pokemon on it to kill it
proper iris
I wonder if they have a real life inspo like caterpie does
Bc if so I'm adding it to my "need to see" list
proven geyser
probably some moth and butterfly caterpillars that look identical, but aren't
proven geyser
wouldn't be surprised if lurantis is an orchid mantis, but it's the orchid posing as a mantis
proper iris
probably some moth and butterfly caterpillars that look identical, but aren't
That's so many of them
proper iris
wouldn't be surprised if lurantis is an orchid mantis, but it's the orchid posin...
That's literally it
proven geyser
ISNT IT SUCH A COOL IDEA
proper iris
It is!!!
proper iris
Ngl, Kalos and Alola have probably my favorite new mons of all time
Though a few took me a while to appreciate
Like Klefki
And the alolan forms
proven geyser
tbh ye, i liked unova too but a lot were overdesigned, mainly the starters
proud igloo
Bulbapedia says it’s a combination of a puss moth and pinevine swallowtail larva
For Wurmple
proper iris
tbh ye, i liked unova too but a lot were overdesigned, mainly the starters
Mainly emboar
proven geyser
and serperior
i used to like it but as time passed it was the part of my brain that assumed i needed to fill every inch of empty space with things
proud igloo
Over designed is laughable compared to modern day Pokemon designs.
proven geyser
not really
proper iris
Over designed is laughable compared to modern day Pokemon designs.
Ok i can see it
(Spoilered bc bugs)
proper iris
and serperior
I think the overdesigning kinda works with Serperior, gives it a barroque feel.
proven geyser
skeledirge was fine, it had elements relevant to its apparent theme, i couldn't really discern that serperior other than overdesigning for the sake of being fancy
proven geyser
yeah but it just feels like that's it
proper iris
Fair
proven geyser
idk i have no fondness for unova starters anymore, more like a passive meh
proper iris
You know an unova pokemon I used to hate but now am very fond of? Thrubbish.
proven geyser
HES JUST A LIL GUY!!!
proper iris
HE'S JUST A LIL BABY
proven geyser
pick him up by his top twist and carry like baby luggage
proper iris
Ok got the exp share AGAIN. Time to go back to where I was
Gotta remember to save often
proven geyser
real
i also save immediately before going into the grass to shiny hunt, so if i don't get anything and want to give up, i can just quit and keep the materials i used
proper iris
Also it feels bittersweet to go underground in this game
unkempt egret
late but trubbish is fine yea
I've always seen it as kinda like completing the solid/liquid/gas trio that koffing and grimer had going in gen 1
proper iris
The underground itself is so much fun but now, almost 20 years later, with no one to play with, it feels so desolate
proven geyser
unova has such fun bugs, but i never appreciated them until i found wimpod in alola
proper iris
Wimpod has a very special place in my heart bc ISOPODDDDD
proper iris
... I gotta feed my isopods later.
proven geyser
before gts was shut down i was trying to breed really good wimpod w annoying to get egg moves
now that it's done i have no reason to continue
:(
proper iris
I wonder if there's any unnoficial servers
proven geyser
probably
proven geyser
i need to get an sd reader to mod my 3ds so i can get bank
proper iris
Highly recommend getting a micro sd
It's easier to find adapters and to work with it on mobile if needed
proven geyser
i thought i didn't need a separate cards for my 3ds sd card?
i could just backup everything on my pc
proper iris
You don't! But it's sometimes more practical to have a couple SDs
One for a set of games and apps, and another for the others
Like, say, one for all mario games, one for all else
proven geyser
was also gonna see if i can move either x or y version, whichever was stuck in my 2ds, into the sd card
proper iris
You can but please please PLEASE don't mix up your backups
I lost all my saves in a lot of games bc of that
I accidentally merged the info from two 3ds
And now it cannot be unscrambled
proven geyser
like it came downloaded on my 2ds, but the screen is fucked and i'm fairly certain it's the only thing i care about on that system
proper iris
You'll have to find a guide on dumping the files and the save
proven geyser
like is it safe to swap the cards to double check?
proven geyser
makes sense, it's a 2ds on a 3ds hardware
proper iris
Bc of how the 3ds has an ID attached to the files
proven geyser
oh that too
proper iris
So that you can't just pick an SD from one 3ds and play the games on another
It's a headache
proven geyser
no way to check what's on that 2ds unless i find an external screen somewhere
proven geyser
like use a reader to run it on my pc?
proper iris
Plus the big emulators for 3ds and switch all went down last week
proven geyser
oh goddammit
proper iris
Nintendo cracked down on them
proven geyser
oh of course they did
the thing is, i've already bought the damn thing, i think i have a right to see what's on it
proud igloo
Maybe that’s why the leaks happened
proud igloo
Especially as data regarding upcoming games could hurt them financially
proven geyser
no reason to leak employee info, that's criminal
proper iris
Definitely
proud igloo
Oh I agree that is a crime
proper iris
Even if it wasn't, it's an asshole move
proud igloo
And it’s why the leakers should be punished because the methods are wrong and it’s hurt real people
proper iris
The employees have nothing to do with this
proud igloo
That’s why the massive fine/jailtime for that pirate didn’t sit right. Especially when people who have done serious damage and ruined many lives got a fraction of that if all.
proper iris
This guy may have ruined or endangered many lives tho
We know this fandom is massive
And that there's crazy people out there
So also hoping they don't get off with a slap on the wrist
proud igloo
I don’t know what adequate punishment is as I’m not a law expert
proud igloo
But I know for a fact that spend 3,000 years for leaking video game stuff is no where on par with terrorism.
proper iris
We don't know where in the world this leaker is from
... why did it take me so long to realize female shinx have booties
As in, little boots
The girlies got little boot markings on their hind paws
proven geyser
apparently i removed my sd card from my 2ds and never put it back, younger me had a similar idea but was too stupid to put the fucking card back in case id needed it somewhere convenient
proper iris
Did the same with my wii lmao
Aaaaand Helios the Luxio is down
I need to remember double battles are always in set style
proud igloo
It’s a good thing you aren’t doing a proper Nuzlocke
proper iris
Definitely
proud igloo
Because otherwise you will be in a rough spot
proper iris
Or I'd have had my run ended a long time ago
proud igloo
Especially because you are what starting out in Platinum?
That’s one of the hardest main series games to Nuzlocke.
proper iris
Just after the second gym, yeah
proper iris
I've heard USUM are all but impossible to nuzlocke
proper iris
Considering I haven't played platinum in over a decade, I definitely don't remember enough to do a proper nuzlocke
young cedar
Once I can replace the defective battery and get it jailbroken, I'd love to make playthrough videos of my Y, AlphaSapphire, and UltraMoon games, I've never played the Alola games and I've only played the original Hoenn games, not the remakes :)
Also Pokemon Y was the first game I ever beat so that one is special to me
proper iris
... Name for a female nosepass?
young cedar
I actually need to play quite a few of the games lol, I've been broke for a while
proud igloo
It doesn’t fit as Nosepass but as Protopass which thanks to Mt Coronet you can get straight away it does
Also it’s a good wall
proud igloo
After you talk with Cyrus
proper iris
Yeah just got there
On route 208 currently so as soon as I hit the pokemon center in hearthome
proven geyser
i couldn't find my sd card by checking my little shelf i haven't touched in forever, but i did find a bunch of pokemon cards and my other pokemon games, so imma check and see if i have any event mon on my games and if not, ill probably reset bc i dont need those saves
i know my white 2 has a keldeo with the superstar sparkle thing
proud igloo
I’ve not been keeping up with it but I know the main plot is Liko and Roy are on a boat looking for powerful Pokémon tied to a magical land that Terapagos is connected to
And that there was this goated trainer who had three Legendaries on him like a mad lad
proper iris
i couldn't find my sd card by checking my little shelf i haven't touched in fore...
Oooooh it's always fun to go take a trip down nostalgia lane too
OH THAT REMINDS ME
proud igloo
But anyway
proper iris
MY DAD JUST FOUND DECADE OLD BACKUPS OF MY FLASHCARD IN HIS PC
proud igloo
We know Gaia is codename for Gen 10
proper iris
I wonder if there's anything cool on the save files there
proud igloo
And people think it’s gonna be based off Greece
What if the island Liko and Roy find is the region for Gen 10?
proper iris
I'm praying it's not Greece
proud igloo
The anime does often promote new stuff after all
proper iris
Like, nothing against the region, it's beautiful
proven geyser
fuck
omega ruby has 3 pages of gift cards and the one on page four is arceus
proper iris
But I'm tired of europe regions
proud igloo
Also Greek Myths
proper iris
We need Africa and South America
proud igloo
Cool design ideas
proven geyser
did i get omega ruby when it came out what the fuck
proper iris
Please I'm craving my tropics
proud igloo
But Zeus makes all the Pokémon in the leaked myths look like amateurs
proper iris
did i get omega ruby when it came out what the fuck
Maybe you did if you got all those!
proven geyser
unova starters, zoroark, TWO SEPARATE HOOPA, victini, darkrai, keldeo, volcanion, genesect, meloetta, and arceus
proper iris
But Zeus makes all the Pokémon in the leaked myths look like amateurs
Zeus had some issues, we all know that /j
proven geyser
one hoopa is from 2015 and the other is the very next year
DECEMBER 2015 AND THEN OCTOBER OF 2016
proud igloo
Any legendary Pokémon from that game has to be evil by default
proper iris
RALTSSSSS
proud igloo
Granted not ALL the Greek gods were dicks, a few like Hades were decent