#other-pokemon-games
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no
grass beats a giant killer whale
it's science
fear my rowlet
ngl i wish
ikr
i love kyogre
it's why kyogre can't switch into groudon
sign me up for team aqua anyday
yes
no
umm
yes
yup
those sharpedos are so rad
who tf wants a slow ass camel
Im actually a member
LEMME IN
tbh give him a break hes a singles battler, what the fuck is an ally switch 
yup
My team is full water except dragalge
I thought it swaps enemies pokemon with mine
but, very sv style, i tera him water
@wraith musk ayee still making the team mb had to do something I forgot about XD While Im finishing it up tho you should totally make a PoA team 
silly me
Poa ?
Just get a tera shard tera water dragakgae
Pokemon amirite
imagine
.
i should make a gen 9 ubers team to fight supra
cincinno actually commiting self die
yay
The servers fakemon basically lol, make a team in PoA OU and look what they have, some are pretty col lol and I have a team for OU, haven't even palyed it once 😂
Alr
The discord for Pokeathlon are pretty hype about it tho
oh geez
poa is insane
XDD
Lolll yeee
Im down!!
bett
Okay guys im 1/6 done with the wp dragalge team
*evs are randomly placed again
I need a trick room bulldoze user now
why is caly ghost an option

FARIGIRAF CAN
Except on things like blissey 
yup
Why are the coolest pokemon always the ones that get shit HP stat

Smogon RU specs set has 80 on hp
Idk
It was too perfect

oof
What are yall talking about
im coming back to vgc
competitive pokemon format
I typed it wrong i know sorry
Doubles
i like farigiraf :d
I wanna keep typing but my wrist is screaming at me
it is healing. but it really doesnt want to be in typing position
byeee. have a great day
thanks vince
gen 7 team to gen 9 format?
Escavalier A-Marowak and Rotom Wash
Dexit honestly ruins multiplayer for me
It stifles creativity
When a sizable portion of the dex is unusable
ngl same yea, dexit
on one hand its understandable that theres too many pokemon now
I miss the days when I saw shit like tickle ambipom
on the other, its becoming rather stale to see the same ass pokemon over and over
I would disagree
im listening
Considering that the 3ds could handle 700+ mons
Aww man I was makin OU 😦 no biggie tho I'll switch it
😍
I highly doubt that the additional 300 mons would've warranted them limiting the number
Honestly amoonguss was the closest to meta ive ever been
i tried to be non meta with amoongus
The only reason dexit is a thing is because tpc has unreasonable expectations for release schedules and gamefreak is lazy af
like using breloom or something stupid like shiinotic
Shiinotic pff
Breloom based
yea i tried with it with inconsistent results
Mega breloom when
I did that avoiding common sticky web users in ou
Or hell even an evo
Araquanid my beloved
Annoying shit tbh
Ehehe
Water bubble 
No one expects that
BOOM
The only thing stopping it from being in a high tier is that it's a bug type
Hey KEEP it
you can easily make ag separate!
vince
@upbeat notch
VGC2022 - VGC2024REG.G
Dragalge Dragalge
Bronzong Girafarig
Marowak-A ---
Amoonguss ---
Escavalier ---
Rotom W ---
uhhh
wait is rotom not in sv
it is tho
just use rotom w 
Pfff okik
but tbf considering the abundance of rain teams, idk gastrodon can work as well

unfortunate maro a isnt in the game, typing wise, ig skeliderge or ceruledge is the closest candidates
Marowak used the trickroom a lot
Ceruledge cant
But iirc skeledirge is slow so it might be close ye
litwick is slow 

Tera Ghost Incineroar
NEVER

Well
I need a pokemon with a lot of coverage
That can run av
And similar to this spreadstat
what pokemon is this anyway
kingambit?
megahorn coming in clutch against dark types
Sorry but
yea i got nothing
zamazenta? but zamazenta is fast
snorlax doesnt really benefit from AV either, it rather use berries

same with ursaluna
oh wait this exist
What tf is power of alchemy
if your ally is killed, it takes their ability
phew, making this team is hard when there's so many options, just need two more mons thoo
oh right u got dragalge
yea out of ideas really
:<
doubles only ability smh

is supra still there?
I have no idea 😂 Ima just tag him when I'm done n wait till he hits me backk
loll
Like I figure he gets it'll take me a bit, I don't know anything about INS n it was already tough pickin a team for OU, let alone AG with ubers loll
does anyone know if there's increased shiny odds for regional forms in indigo disk or something
because i have found 3 random regional shinies
in the last week or so
first an alolan muk, then an alolan geodude, than yesterday a galarian slowpoke
Does anyone have a level 100 Aerodactyl, slowbro, charizard, tentacruel, blastoise, and kabutops in the let's go games, or atleast those pokemon in high levels I'll trade a shiny lapras for the charizard and the rest their respective pokemon
may I suggest a trading channel ?
nobody really does stuff around here
we really lazy
because I've seen ur msg before
Just saw this lol, but yee I made one, no idea what I'm doing but it's done 😂
Sure, that might be helpful
I did 10 pulls for Diantha in the new Fair Scout and didn’t get her😭😭
It was like the 11 pair scouts
I did not use up my gems for this
riiip
I saved up gems for red + pikachu but A. wasn't in there, and B. was really hurting for a rock type
grinding for levels is such a pain in that game i think it might personally be easier to shiny hunt all of these 
doubles EV gains with no other effects. it's very rare (outside of IF) and a very good thing to pick up!
Does anyone have a list of fangames to recommend?
Back to the grind
Haven't played them but
Rouge
Xenoverse
Uranium
Vanguard
I've seen a playthrough of Uranium
The person that did it pissed me off
Cause in one video
He was griping about how bad the gen 5 sprites were for being animated
Then the Gan game that has sprites is great
Awesome sprites
Nothing wrong there
Then again this was years ago
Might be remembering it wrong
wow, well thanks for the recommendations
I don't know about the other three
Vanguard is very fun
There's people here who know more about them if you wanna ask
Very high shiny odds
1 / 100 for picking your stater and the rest of the game is 1 in 400
Yeah i got a shiny starter and a random shiny teddiursa
But the game isn't finished, right?
Yeah but its like PIF where its actively being updated
hmmm
Theres a lot of cool regional variants too
Ooooo
I love it when games have regional variants
Or Cutiefly being fire fairy etc
I don't know if you've already played, Pokemon Insurgence, but there are regional variants too
Theres a custom evos too iirc
I ahvent cus i heard its really hard
I played a little so I don't know
So, I conclude that game hates me and will never give me a shiny shinx even after getting all the shinies of the mons on the route
Is this the vanguard?
Spiggs?
The game has spiggs
10/10 game
I know it should be sprigs
But
Monkie brain said spiggs
So that's just forever Sprigatitos name
the PAIN
got this goober from a quest
heres the team
late but I'd also suggest either Vega Minus or Viva las Vega if you don't mind gen 3 romhacks with fakemons
Honestly agreed
Should I shiny hunt my first shiny
It was a shiny pidgey, I lost it though, should I shiny hunt it
Steeleunt?
Showdown down rn?
im annoyed cause my inkay wouldn't evolve only because i didn't have joycons connected to my switch
i'm playing handheld without joycons because my joycons don't really work anymore
what kind of remote are you using then??
a pro controller
srry handheld is maybe not the right word
noice
I suggest playing God of War
breath of fresh air
I'm playing a different game
what is it
oh
ngl it's kinda mid af
But that i mean my pc works now
I've played through the whole thing
Yes it just decides to stop
ita not really worth it
nuclear type is ass too
I can kinds tell from the inrto
This is gunna be bad
But like
Ima do it anyways
As stated previously
I hate myself

So fun thing
I bought a ps4 controller for my pc
It just
Doesn't work anymore
It has a charge
My pc just isn't registering it as a Bluetooth device
I've tried and I just can't get it to change back
My pc is cursed
Before I play
Lemme just sneak a peek..
....
2 stage starters?
A dunsparce evolution?
Have can you say that's a bad game?
Ok yea
Pokemon seem good enough
It has a randomizer
For some reason
......
I'm gunna regret this
.....
Fuck your test gimme the grass pokemon
You are 100% correct
This game sucks
lol
I take is back
I'm telling you don't play it
Leech seed on a starter
kiddy and edgy
wait till ur rival picks it too
I did watch it when I was younger
.......
I take it back
Games ass
Why does the starter have static
just quit
no
wdym
lmao
I don't care if it's electric water
raptorch has flame body
ass
Battle armor
lol
I will later
ghost dragon starter
2 being ?
I'm moreso just doing this to get it off the list
Xenoverse and Vanguard
Thats...
do xenoverse last
Weird
some do some dont
Not for when I use it
this game never got finished
I mean
fans took it up
Do the others have animated sprites?
maybe because yk uranium
like I think 7 sprites do
most not being functional
I mean games
Is that recent?
it's amazing
Cause I'm 90% sure this came out around gen 5
no it was gen 6
So why....
like the lore is every 5 year old who knows about bombs
and makes crazy shit up
oh wow mom died
surely she's not going to appear again
surely
I'm not old I swear
.....
gen 1 n 2 were 36 years ago
How old was i.....
Well
Hate the rival already
Good start
Why does my oversold sprite look so
Stoobid
How bout this
I'll get an eevee
If I still hate the game by then I'll quit
Fair enough?
I wanna at least give it a chance
......
and what one is his house?
Why are you on other devices
IT WORKS?
WHAT
YEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSS
I told you
I'm going to go for a bit
I take back the eevee thing
Maybe 1 or 2 gyms
Need a zamazenta replace dude

Tried scizor, meh
Iron ha- wait that's not legal
Uhh
Fuck it, quagsire


two unawares in the same team? that would be...
.
.
.
...clueless
🥁
You're just Oblivious to the facts
i just remember hisuian goodra
im using glaceon rn ahjahdjasdhfa
hisuian goodra might be good yeppers
look at him go
lil baby
it was surprisingly useful more than once
spore spammer
breloom garchomp
cringe
tf was that
huh
isnt he cute
competitive shinies
what game is this
breeding took a while for charizard n ttar
emerald 386
and yeah damn this looks so cool
oooo
my dragon claws are special attacks
imagine
that's how old this gen is
Gen 3 ou
I can make it rn on showdown
with a few tweaks ofcourse
I fucking murdered the battle tower
oh when dugrio was good eeheheheh
arena trap was something
arena trap plus band
mine dosent have tri atck
and I'm not breeding
also idgaf about hidden powers
I'll prolly be 80 till I'm done
even then this gen is like 24 years old
@wraith musk I don't know about many newer Rom Hacks or whatnot, but Yuty has been playing Vanguard which seemed really cool! Also Think the Blazeblack/Voltwhite games are funn, I'll have to look into some others but you should just ask here in general as well! Probably people in here who know a lot more of the newer pokemon fangames to mess with than I do!
What gen/game is this?
I'm actually doing blazeblack rn
but I'm doing it veeery slow
I dont want it to end soon
plus I plan on Dex completion
which is a stretch
I did this one tho
ayeee nice, If i think of anything else to reccommend I'll let you knoww
I don't think that's in IF. :thinking: Did you misspell something?
I somehow got the wrong link
atleast all events ?
Me?
If so no
Fun thing
you can transfer pokemon
I thi k at leaat
90% sure my white game has a manaphy now cause of that game
The worst shiny variants are always the ice types because they barely change colour/color I'm British btw I always use colour
yes quite the predicament sire

my application for team sky
So fluffy
anyone up for bp quest in union?
About Pokemon Platnium
I've seen videos showing their animation of their front sprites, but never for their back sprites
Not sure why that hasn't become a video idea of its own
I need an opinion on something:
I'm currently making a tally of every regional form that each generation has received in each region (for example, how many Kanto Pokémon received Alola forms, Galarian forms exc.) and I'm not sure if I should count each of Tauros's Paldean forms separately (So 1 entry for regular Tauros, 1 for Blaze Breed and 1 for Aqua Breed) or if I should just count Tauros as having 1 Paldean form. What do you guys think?
depends on what you're making it for?
I'd count them as seperate myself but I can also see counting them as one (form of a form?)
then again I also count toedscool/cruel and the machas as regionals so take that as you will lol
I'm making it to determine how many regional variants Kanto got compared to all the other regions
If regular Tauros had 3 forms, then I would only count it once since if you give a regional form to 1, you'd have to give it to the others, but since they just gave Tauros 3 forms for some random reason, I'm tempted to count all 3
At the same time though, I'm not counting regional evolutions separately
Plus, I counted both Slowbro and Slowking separately, though that was because they're technically from different generations
You know what, maybe I'll just do one count with them and one without
Ah sorry, I'll come back later
Sure nothing bad will happen there
I have 0 idea first time playing black or white
Lucky
I wish I could do that again
The first plaything thing
Who'd you pick as your starter?
Snivy
Nice
is it time for a concert or something?
Ah no it's just a Karen
Ah I know him, he's hot
Thank arceus I feel so slow walking
We zooming now
I can tell there was a lot put into this, given all the animations for stuff
That is one of the worst parts of the game
Not getting the running shoes till then
that and the like 20 rival battles
That part I can accept, but not having running shoes for so long I can't
Indeed
This guy is just doing a monotype run
Hes me fr fr
Fun thing
Gen v.1 is one of the o ly pokemon games to tall about shinies
First badge, also I like the idea of this gym a lot
You think that’s bad? You don’t get the running shoes in FRLG until after the first gym
I vaguely recall that, its been many years since I played FR
For a second
No
It's hot
My brain isn't working
And I'm playing a shit game
I guess you can teleport?
What game?
Uranium
||Dream||
It took me like 10 times of seeing that to understand
It’s not really a spoiler since he’s gonna figure that out in 5 seconds
Yeah
Good thing that pokemon had a spare pokeball to store it in
You gotta love how literally any item you find on the ground looks like a Pokeball
So fun
Going to be honest I forgot this thing existed
Hey does anyone know where i can play or download this pokemon game i discovered via youtube called pokemon pathways. its a butterfly effect pokemon game and i would love to try it out.
Yeah losing is a major skill issue on the trainers part
How dare they not have level 100 pokemon
I say as I've had a few very close calls so far
Thank you
That will help a lot
Going to be honest, I had no idea this mon existed
Big
That will help in the future
#1 I was checking to see how much money I had
#2 you can set your trainers nature in this game?
I'm being bullied by a child who has Petilil with sleep powder
And doesn't miss with it
Btw Floccey Ranch, or however you spell it, has a 2% Riolu spawn. Excellent for the first few gyms!
Noted
Wait. That’s BW2
Is that in 1 or 2
Sorry. Got them conflated 😅
Well still noted for future reference
Blame the fact that I lost my B years ago and only have W2 now, so only been playing that for more time
....
This is just mystery dungeon plot with pokemon gameplay
And I'm ALL for it
This is awesome!
Does anyone have a level 100 Aerodactyl, slowbro, charizard, tentacruel, blastoise, and kabutops in the let's go games, or atleast those pokemon in high levels, or any pokemon trading servers
In pokemon let's go
How do you download and play other pokemon games

I think they were talking about actual pokemon games
Oh
We
Aren't allowed to talk about emulators
Right?
Fan games and game mods are fine but
Not emulators?
Ok
Question about pokemon vanguard
Well
I'll hold till later
There's probably some sort of dex later
Oknthere is
shelf a edmqm rMmq
@upbeat notch once more i request your help
whu why me
Indeedee support, Farigiraf is a good substitute ig but you got no psychic terrain
lol
i actually dont have a reg H team yet
ig this is the closest
stupid ik
i just wanna use falinks
lol
I think thats the German one
Fatality??
@wraith musk tryna showdown when you up? 👀
I'm woke up just now 
maam please stop battling with pocket monsters and take rest and/or go to the hospital
9/10 doctors agree that pokemon battling is a completely safe activity to engage in while pregnant
well I better not use mach punch
she had a blissey and gardevoir
she does care
but still not right
(her blissey knew fire blast)
my ttar just used crunch
I mean, the trainer mostly just stands there. What's unsafe about that?
(my ttar's earthquake)
When you said blissey and gardevoir..I thought it was a blissey/gardevoir lmao 💀
lol
this is gen 3

What would happen to a stray Roar of Time on a child?
Maybe that’s why Ash doesn’t age. He’s stuck in a physical time loop
Considering that there are no records of anything like that happening in the games, I’m going to say absolutely nothing
Isn’t the new anime protagonist Ash’s daughter?
My headcannon was Mew/Mewtwo’s stoning froze him temporally as well as physically. But when he was restored, only his body was changed back.
Notice how he doesn’t pull off his Herculean feats like lifting and throwing logs bigger than him, jumping off buildings with ease, and carrying over 100lbs on his head like it’s a feather until after Ash got stoned.
nope
not confirmed at all
Tldr: theory that Ask is a golem in a flesh suit
didn't he also freeze in space
and ride giratina
I don’t recall the first thing. Space?
and get in between corssfire of spacial rend and roar of time ?
He’s been erased a few times
and take a freeze shock ?
and survive a doom desire ?
AND take a aeroblast point blank ?
Honestly, just don’t bother trying to figure out the Pokémon anime’s canon. Not only will it give you a headache, I’m pretty sure they just make it up as they go along
Side note: TR is equally invincible. On top of the Blasting Off Agains and surviving. You have them skydiving off of Lugia’s leg and landing belly-first into water at a height where said water would be like hitting concrete… and they were well enough to quip instantly
yup
also they hugged bewear
that alone beats a ultra beadt in power
(pheramosa almost died)
lowkey miss Ash 😦
tbh
it's mostly the used to face
I never watched the anime
(until 6)
then I stopped
I found voltron and marvel
kid me was occupied
years later I'm back
lol
Problem is they have nowhere else to go with him. They tried to spin him into a mentor role a la Brock to him, but he overshadowed May who was meant to be the new wide-eyed protagonist
I'm fine with the new protag's, even think the other characters on the ship are fun n add more character related fun/story elements then what was available in most of Ashes seasons, but can't help but miss the guy 😦
ngl I'm looking forward to the protags
Hope they bring him back Yu gi Oh style
Why did ash’s height visually change during xy to aloha
maaaybe a more mature series with older protags ?
THIS
Like why
he looked 15 in x y
I haven’t watched the anime since Black/White. Beyond scattered episodes later and the clips of his championship victories
reversed to 9 in later ones
Hoenn was actually not bad
decent
I quite liked it
When they basically became Pokemon Sentai I was just lost
Yeah I quit
Same, I wishI could unsee
I mean at least he mega evolves
I didn’t hate it, but some of the character creative liberties were a bit… weird. Team Skull was fun though
That’s a nice touch
Journeys has some fun highs, and some LOW LOWS
Aloha was great
It explored the more mature concepts in Pokémon like marriage birth etc
I stopped watching the anime during Gen 6, then I watched most of the Gen 7 anime because I was curious as to how they were going to do the totem battles (and of course Netflix took and down before I finished watching it).
cool
ngl anime mid
Tbf, he managed to use it on an Onix (that had water on it) and a Rhyhorn (no excuse. Even had Lightningrod!) and a Donphan in the first movie.
Bro had those hacks like early Yugi
no see for rhydon he used the forbidden go for the horn
So… Sableye
that's a nice paras he got
The horn is the lightningrod
sucks
HE DIDNT CARE

Damn, that eldegoss looks amazing
BOW TO IT
Ash was lacking
I get that but the horn was the thing that absorbed the shocks from not 15 seconds before!
Why TF did Blaine even have a Rhydon in the first place? It’s not even a fire type
If he used all his 100 Taurus Gary would of been cooked
Like he’s limiting his power
I’ll say one thing. He is a genius to the other trainers. He invented the Counter Shield technique, which Cynthia and later Leon would use in the all-champions match
Ash wasn't the smartest trainer, dude had some Goku level airhead moments but still like him loll
Basically canonizing his dumb ass technique
he's an old idiot
Yea I say he wasn't the smartest until he'd pull shit like that
Ash could either be the smartest trainer ever or an absolute idiot and there was no in between
ah yes
use iron tail on graploct
moron
Dude the fact that “dodge” is an option for every pokemon battle is wild
correct
Maybe his technique being used by the Sinnoh gyms explains why Skyla uses Aqua Ring as a shielding tactic in their gym match
so that's the pikachu huh?
also fun fact
he held cosmoem like a hamster
which weighs 9999.9
he could easily toss groudon into the stratosphere
I’m still of the opinion Cosmoem’s weight is the force of its gravitational collapse (density), not actual weights.
Like say I use draco meteor and ash’s pikachu will just dodge the attack
If that’s the case, yeah he would be able to hold it
it literally moves the pkmn go crosshari aside
and no it's it's real resting weight
insane
Crosshari?
Meltan was just a little goober ngl
Oh on the Dex
yup
Lille also carried Cosmoem across the entirety of vast Poni canyon in the backpack
That’s a stack error
he could absolutely 1v1 mewtwo now
But that could still be measuring its density to guess the weight
prolly ko him with a close combat
Not the actual gravitational weight of a floating object
For the anime it's probably just some "the pokemon can control it's wight when it wants" kind of thing
Also pikachu is a god
it's just the straightforward weight
writers forgot
It floats!
it ate 90 light balls
ah see there we go
simple
if it floats easy
10 million volt thunderbolt literally beat tapu koko
USING HIS Z MOVE NATURES MADNESS
oh and has 2.5 million focus bands
You’re telling me Cosmoem is basically a DND Immovable Rod that’s always on
Yeah
yes
lolll
No
Which would allow Ash to hold it
And yet, it couldn’t beat Trip’s Snivy
it wasn't floating
or a fucking panpour
Unova’s built different
the general rule of thumb for anime fights is "plot > all"
They raise their city kids differently
At least that was a gym leader’s Pokémon. Trip literally just started as a trainer.
lmao
General plot is “how can we make Ash lose so we show off how cool the region is?”
Even back when advertising Kanto they had Charizard ignore him so they could show more mons
gotta give the new-timer experience for each region
gym badge my ass
Then when it comes to championships “how do we make Ash lose so he’ll move on to the next region?”
To be fair the ending of the fight in journeys was good
cough Sinnoh cough Unova cough Bellsprout in Indigo
Man I think my allergies are acting up
The overall fight was meh but the final scene was kinda great
I don’t even recall the Hoenn championship. Overshadowed by the Frontier Brains
Yea Journeys did have good moments! Don't think anyone's debatin that
the anime also made it clear very early on that it cares little about game rules outside of occasional nods rofl
did have some real stinky moments too tho
He beat the Bellsprout though. The reason he lost was because his Charizard didn’t want to fight a Pikachu
One early episode had a trainer school that used the game UI as a battle simulator. Ash quickly proved that the simulator had nothing on real battles
there we go yea that one
I halfway wish there was a way to disable the level cap
But I understand why it's here
I feel like Gary gets shit on for no reason
he's the proffeser son
yet he's just like ash
he completed the dex
Does Gary get shit on?? I feel most people like him
a lot
Gary was rival done right, besides the other rival with purple hair he was good too
He’s 10 and has a Ferrari. Good enough reason to shit on him lol
he's in a legendary protection grp
only thing he had to show off ngl
has very good mons
all evolved
He developed later but it’s hard to forget that early part of his journey
Also he showed off having badges that didn’t even exist in Kanto too
cough Kalos cough
Did you forget the fact that he had 10 gym badges
You sick too?
Gary being a snobbish lil ass is great lol, every character is just the most vanilla lamo nowadays, Gary actually had character lol
And five of them were not in either Kanto or Johto
They even turned Gary into a vanilla lamo in Journeys, besides his slight headbutting with Goh
how
yup
Because each region has more than 8 badges in the anime world
let's not forget ash n james roasting tf outa ppl
I didn't know lol
he earn them or buy them ?
I’m assuming he earned them. Though we never see him actually fight any gym leaders
yeah
James is one of the best pokemon characters you can't change my mind
Gary had a solid enough team, most likely earned
he had a
golem
Blastoise
Snorlax
Scizor
That's just facts, not even debate lol
these are amazing mons
not to mention all obey him and are fully evolved
oh and a
tyranitar
arcanaine
Umbreon
Electivire
hatterene
and a whole ass regidrago
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I saw this
loved him
btw did you know
James n Jessie are married in the manga

with all their mons too
Yea if I'm being real, fine with Ash never coming back even as a cameo if that mean we get Jesse/James back in loll
definitely
I can imagine the new squad bumping into them chilling somewhere and getting spooked by a arbok
ngl I loved back when jessie n James had a weezing n arbok in front of Ash n Misty's weak unevolved mons
they genuinely looked scary
Do like the idea, although they'd probably only have Meowth n Wobbufett, their staples and if they stuck around they'd give them newer gen mons
say what u want but bulbasur and squirtle put in work didnt they?











