#other-pokemon-games

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tulip ruin
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Wow already strong moves stronger on a strong mon

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Getting stab

latent totem
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Flygon isn't strong tho

hard plume
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and again, misses the entire point of flygon

latent totem
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that's the point

hard plume
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it is not a bug

tulip ruin
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Ohh yeah a sand dragon isn't strong

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Doubt

hard plume
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it is a sand dragon

pure star
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i like what inclement emerald did

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with mega flygon

latent totem
hard plume
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honestly if you guys want a bug type flygon, wait for a freaking regional variant

pure star
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it has the ability sand song which is a ground type version of liquid voice

tulip ruin
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Idc about its stat total

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It's just some numbers

pure star
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stats are pretty important

latent totem
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it ain't just some numbers

tulip ruin
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I don't have this weird competitive mindset

hard plume
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but I know good stats

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trust me

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I have to do raids.

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a lot of them

tulip ruin
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I don't do raids

hard plume
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and I have to plan accordingly

tulip ruin
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I just catch a mon

latent totem
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flygon just barely has enough stats to make it usable

tulip ruin
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Take it if i like it or not

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And then use it

hard plume
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cue the incoming "filthy casual" comments

latent totem
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but not enough for it to compete with other mons that fill a similar role

tulip ruin
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I don't sweat in a casual game

pure star
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i like using my favorites but i can't use them in a serious setting

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cause jigglypuff is really bad

tulip ruin
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Are people also sweating in kirby

pure star
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really bad

tulip ruin
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I just don't get the appeal

pure star
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its just another playstyle

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so it's purely up to you how you want to play pokemon

tulip ruin
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Annoying because these pe people tend to be very much liking to ruin casual players fun

pure star
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also using bad pokemon in a comp setting is funny

tulip ruin
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"BeCaUsE tHe GaMe ISn'T HarD eNoUgh"

pure star
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because no one would expect it

tulip ruin
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If it isn't hard enough use idk a scaterbug level 10 and beat the game with it

hard plume
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i'm a casual too but I don't scoff at the stats, broh

latent totem
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also some other megas we need are mega froslass, roserade, togetic, Lumineon, just to name a few

tulip ruin
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Pokémon was always and still gets made for casual players

latent totem
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would be hilarious if lumineon got a mega

hard plume
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i know of chansey and blissey and their freaking damage sponge status

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or the absolute tank that is shuckle

latent totem
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and it was actually good

pure star
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mega toxapex with 200 in both defense stats

tulip ruin
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I like to use tanks

pure star
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lmao

latent totem
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Mega shuckle would be terrifying

pure star
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elite redux

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has mega shuckle

latent totem
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which is why it shouldn't happening

pure star
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uh

hard plume
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idk when I think of mega shuckle, I think of big ass shell

pure star
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mega shuckle would just be a block of tungsten i think

tulip ruin
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Tbh i don't even know what most number mean

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What does 255 defense in the end of the day mean

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And is it important if i just beat the elite four

pure star
hard plume
pure star
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255 is pretty high

pure star
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i forgot to get the actual stats oops

digital root
tulip ruin
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Yeah but in the end of the day it's just a numbers that determine some value

hard plume
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regular defense takes on physical attacks while special defense takes on special (magic) attacks

latent totem
pure star
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eternamax

latent totem
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oh

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right

hard plume
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ahh ernamax eternatus my beloved

tulip ruin
hard plume
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the claaaaaaaaaaaaaaw

latent totem
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Eternamax is ew

pure star
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i really hope it becomes obtainable one day

pure star
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just for the fun of it

digital root
tulip ruin
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Ohhh

hard plume
tulip ruin
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What

digital root
latent totem
hard plume
latent totem
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age

tulip ruin
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We are talking about pokemon stats

hard plume
tulip ruin
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I wasn't even thinking in that direction

hard plume
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next time, work on your phrasing

tulip ruin
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Everything is awful out of context

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Context is key

hard plume
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so is phrasing, dude!

tulip ruin
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You should never use anything you hear out of context

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Bro it's some artificial numbers determining some strength based on how heigh they are ate a specific level

hard plume
tulip ruin
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But it doesn't even play into the nature and stuff

pure star
tulip ruin
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Why

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Pokemon is annoying

hard plume
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dude. nature *does * play in stats.

tulip ruin
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You know what

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I get angry

hard plume
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I'm not a competitive human, but even I know this shit

pure star
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there are also IVs

tulip ruin
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I don't like the numbers game

hard plume
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aka, stat boosters

tulip ruin
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To much to remember

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I just want to beat the elite 4 and that was it

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Maybe some post content

hard plume
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Well I don't remember how many calciums and proteins I throw at my pokemon either but I still kick ass

tulip ruin
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This is one of the reasons i am not the biggest fan of the Pokemon community

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And btw fixed the one message you pointed out

pure star
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me putting 252 hp EVs into a shedinja:

hard plume
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..but here's the thing

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they don't just determine some value

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they impact how you battle

tulip ruin
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"SpEciFic"

pure star
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sometimes a pokemon's stats are everything

hard plume
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how strong you hit, whether or not you go first on a turn

jade crypt
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How about we end this conversation and move on to something else? Unless you are doing a extremely hard fan game or rom hack that recommends you use evs and ivs and all that jazz then all of that doesn't even matter too much, you can get through a lot of rom hacks, fan games, and vanilla games without worrying about stats too much.

hard plume
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how strong you can defend an attack

hard plume
tulip ruin
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Or at least the last part

hard plume
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I don't remember anywhere in the conversation where you said "lets talk about something else"

tulip ruin
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Okay

jade crypt
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Just stop, both of you. Move on.

tulip ruin
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I said the last part

hard plume
lament forge
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Eat your heart out, Red

latent totem
tulip ruin
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I already changed it

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Come on sorry that i don't think about everything

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Might ohh lord of people who appearently need everything to be as clear as possible so it never sounds wrong out of context

latent totem
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like I said earlier

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"choose your words carefully"

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this is the internet

tulip ruin
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Or fing don't always think the worst in a message that got sended while being pissed

latent totem
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anything you say or do can and will be used against you

tulip ruin
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Context is key

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And mindless people who believe everything are everywhere

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I could make random screenshots too and make them sound wrong out of context

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I am paranoid enough already

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Sorry that i really sometimes just have half thoughts and especially get irrational when i am getting mad

latent totem
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tbf it was only posted in a channel specifically dedicated to no context screenshots KEK

tulip ruin
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:0

latent totem
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for the lols

hard plume
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yukiakera is disapointed in us

peak roost
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how do i get full screen in TGOM?

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I DID IT HAHA

next silo
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Question for yall, do dialga and palkia scale to your level?

latent totem
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Which game?

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Not that it matters, that has NEVER been a thing in pokemon

peak roost
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hey does anyone play TGOM i want to take a vacation

latent totem
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Nothing scales with your level

peak roost
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im dumb

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i think i need to be rank 2

jade crypt
# hard plume yukiakera is disapointed in us

I was more just annoyed, cuz we don't need arguments over something that doesn't matter that much. We're all here to have fun talking with other pokemon peeps so that should be what happens, not everyone being pissed off or frustrated. I didn't fully know what the argument earlier was about past that it was about how stats are calculated or something idk but it was annoying that it was an argument to begin with. Especially when most of that info can be looked up on Bulbapedia or Serebii and anything specific to fan games or rom hacks that could change it can then be answered as best as peeps can nicely here. There was no need for an argument that just annoyed or made others feel uncomfortable typing in the chat.

tight aspen
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I'm playing the pokemon TCG video game and goddamn, farfetch'd is a dogshit pokemon in every game it's in

jade crypt
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Oof

chilly cove
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Radical reds pretty good

scenic whale
# pure star and

What if mega shuckle broke out of its shell, became pure bug and lost all its defense to get a lot of attack and speed

warm rose
vernal garnet
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very smart (clearly)

native needle
sleek jewel
latent totem
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wait, wrong channel

gritty verge
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Lmao

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That is infact a jojo referenece, that was a really fun fight tbh

jade crypt
pure star
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especially one with snow warning

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nvm i just looked at the abomasnow from the adventures

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why does it have aurora veil with soundproof

unkempt egret
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because t e a m w o r k

jade crypt
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The ai is terrible. And I mean so are most of the pokemon movesets, gf did it on purpose to make adventures harder. But them shiny rates tho. 1/100 with a shiny charm is hard to pass up when hunting legendaries.

pure star
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the only way to set up hail is through max hailstorm 😭

jade crypt
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Oof

pure star
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and the only fully evolved/single stage mons with blizzard are wild

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like

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???

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barbarcle using blizzard with its mighty 54 spatk

jade crypt
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Oh extra big oof

warm rose
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best pokemon for zygarde (IMO)

  1. Alcremie Decorate + Belossom
  2. Ice type Weather Ball Frosmoth + Mr Mime Helping Hand
  3. Sneasel (that ice type move is super good imo)
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(not in order of greatness)

unkempt egret
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im assuming that's an OHKO strat that falls apart if power construct goes off

warm rose
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2 best one imo

unkempt egret
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since usually I remember Wide Guard Spam being the way to go

warm rose
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ice type weather ball boosted by helping hand is like half hp even with complee forme

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(for example Sauce McGavin had an op strat that only lost 2/3 times in like 200(?) tries)

warm rose
tight aspen
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So there's this garage with a statue of Paul Bunyan outside of it where I live, and for a long time it was missing its head. It has it now, but Pokemon go has it labeled as headless lumberjack

unkempt egret
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that happens sometimes, there's a mall I sometimes go to that has a stop dedicated to a store that's no longer there anymore since I think it was in there for about 15-18 months at most

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our mall was not ready for chocolate moonshine

tight aspen
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Also

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MODS! MODS! He broke rule 4!!!

unkempt egret
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?

tight aspen
elfin whale
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I'm doing a bug type only playthrough in Black 2

jade crypt
elfin whale
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It's really only difficult at the very beginning, and Clay's excadrill, at least for ne

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Although I've just gotten into Reversal mountain

jade crypt
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Nice

latent totem
tight aspen
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That's on the same level as "w33d isn't a drug, its natural"

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I will say I was just joking about calling mods. I'm not a snitch.

elfin whale
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My favorite character, you may ask?

tight aspen
elfin whale
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How dare you disrespect colress like that

tight aspen
elfin whale
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NOOOOOOO

atomic orchid
# tight aspen I won't lie this is me when I'm wrong

As someone who works in a liquor distribution warehouse in the Deep South (borderline but still in it), if you said “alcohol is a drug” to any of those guys, you’d have to pick up your teeth in the parking lot.

Yes, technically it’s a drug, a downer in fact, but no it’s not according to the FDA which is the main determiner in the US. So no, not in my country at least.

elfin whale
atomic orchid
tight aspen
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ok bro

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weird argument

atomic orchid
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Just sayin’ don’t anger the rednecks who lift crates of 50 pounds regularly

tight aspen
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there was a sprite that almost didn't get approved becuase it had a pokemon drinking what could be misconstrued as wine

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as far as this server is concerned yes alchohol is a drug

atomic orchid
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K

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Sure man. You do you

tight aspen
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i'm not scared of modern day barbarians who get violent when someone says something that hurts their feefees

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let htem beat me up

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ok

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I'm hurt

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but you're still not right

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no ammount of hurting me wins you the argument.

elfin whale
tight aspen
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I'm not gonna act like I'd win, I'm just okay with getting hurt

tight aspen
elfin whale
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When did I say that

tight aspen
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it was shuckle/jynx by the way

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it isn't wine though it's berry juice.

coarse estuary
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botta fight the fire trial in my ultra sun nuzlocke. what should i use here

coarse estuary
atomic orchid
coarse estuary
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yep

atomic orchid
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Also like the idea of the illusion mon being a Kinder surprise

coarse estuary
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after accidently having a food theme with grub hub and bow tie i just decided its a food themed run and Cha the traded hawlucha fit in so i allowed it bec i got sperow as my route above trial site 1 encounter

atomic orchid
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Fair enough. In my current PIF run I’m doing all slime references from various sources, and in true Dragon Quest fashion, they’ll all have slime pun names. Already got Goodon Ramsey and Flanthony, also got Slimon, Slippy, and Goo Fieri on the docket

coarse estuary
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well cha grub hub and dq died while within this trial

atomic orchid
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So, no more Mexican food, deliveries, or Blizzards this run?

coarse estuary
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guess not

jade crypt
# tight aspen I will say I was just joking about calling mods. I'm not a snitch.

I feel that if you were actually joking, then this whole conversation after you said you were wouldn't have happened and everyone could've just moved on cuz it wouldn't have mattered if alcohol was considered a drug or not. Instead there was basically an argument about it. I'm just putting that out there. You could've just said nothing and there wouldn't have been a problem.

jade crypt
unkempt egret
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late but that looks like a pretty uuuuh dire team

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your best bet is to try to steal the thick club and hope your entire team isn't hit with 6 OHKO's in a row before you can pull it off. Cha is probably your best bet if they get thief since their speed is good enough that they might actually outrun even with totem marowak's +2 speed

warm rose
tulip ruin
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Or else i could be talking about another one

atomic orchid
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Fair enough

sleek jewel
sleek jewel
delicate hollow
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With the closure of relic castle and fan games in general
How are we gonna install fan games from other sites and are other fan game sites unaffected by this DMCA thing that was going on?

jade crypt
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Only Relic was hit with the DMCA, other sites are fine, at least currently.

gritty verge
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Keyword is currently

remote orbit
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Pokémon insurgence is like the best fan made game outside of this and PokeMMO. That is all

indigo wharf
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Nah. For me that’s Pokemon xenoverse

pure star
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xenoverse is really fun

untold hill
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It sure is

pure star
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"High speed. Speed is war."

tacit tiger
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I;m playing blaze black 2 redux rn and im abusing save stattes and i got a crit 3 times in a row

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4 times in a row

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5 times in a row

rugged comet
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It happens

tacit tiger
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i need to use a different move

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LETS GOO

tulip ruin
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Nicee

warm rose
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I got a bad feeling about this....

tacit tiger
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Zekrom KICK

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0HKO THAT OSHAFRAUD

jade crypt
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Actually I'm pretty sure that trade actually does get you Gengar

warm rose
tacit tiger
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yeah she is like Mindy but not the typical mindyt

jade crypt
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I just never did the trades. I got all my trade evos through tera raids.

brisk hedge
jade crypt
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Violet

warm rose
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I have scarlet

pure star
jade crypt
tacit tiger
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+6 252+ Atk Choice Band Teravolt Zekrom Zekrom Kick vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Deoxys-Defense: 796-937 (261.8 - 308.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO

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or +6 defense for deoxys the just a 2hko

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ah shit i forgot to also do tera but still ohko

tulip crown
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You think this is good enough to carry me through the elite four in platinum?

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I'll have you know, gen 4 Cynthia is considered the hardest elite four member in the Pokemon franchise history

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I've got a lvl 60 sizor, a lvl 55 torterra and nothing else to speak of and I'm halfway through victory road

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And a lvl 60 giratina

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Forgot about that

pure star
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not gen 4 cynthia anymore

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still cynthia tho

tacit tiger
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cynthia from bdsp is literally cynthia from platinum but now somehow even worse

tulip crown
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I don't understand Nintendo thinking with Cynthia

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A garchomp that always swords dances first

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Kinda abnoxious

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Most people would struggle to deal with that

pure star
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not really if you know what you're doing

tulip crown
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And the XP rates were buffed by 30% in gen 5 and even more I think in 7

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So my average pokemon level once I got there was much higher than platinum

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And the shared party XP thing

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That allows my entire team to be equal level

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You are definitely underestimating how difficult gen 4 was as a game as a whole

pure star
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even with all of that her team in bdsp is leagues stronger than her platinum team

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and she actually has IVs and EVs in bdsp

unkempt egret
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EVs are the big thing

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the only other champs that have enemy EVs are the two gen 7 champs (kikui and hau)

pure star
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252 EVs make a large difference

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a very large difference

tulip crown
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Assuming you don't power level using the vs finder

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Garchomp will always out speed and if you can't put it down in 1 hit you lose

pure star
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that just means you have to grind more

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and i barely beat bdsp cynthia even while over-leveled

tulip crown
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My whole strat rn, is that I got max iv/ev staraptor with adamant nature and I hope to take garchomp out with a single close combat

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If it doesn't work, I have to hit the grind to lvl up (easy since you can farm Aaron out with staraptor since he's a bug type user

pure star
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if you had a weavile it would be strong against half of her team

tulip crown
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Meh nature though

pure star
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and be a reliable one shot against garchomp

tacit tiger
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Just get
A Snorunt
Some HRT
And the best vgc ice type mindset ICE STAB ICE STAB

unkempt egret
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isn't it also holding a yache berry in BDSP

pure star
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yea

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  • has poison jab
unkempt egret
pure star
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for fairy types

tacit tiger
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Articuno only ice type moves was used in the vgc

tulip crown
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I thought about trying to get a beldum and Metagross too but

pure star
tulip crown
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In my last platinum playthrough I spent 3 hours just to find 1 beldum that I failed to catch with 40 ultra balls at low hp

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And I realized, yeah not this playthrough

pure star
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that's normally how it goes

tacit tiger
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Idk i saw it on stunkfisk on top of if the something

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But probably yeah

pure star
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it has the same catch rate as legendary mons iirc

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i hope they keep making the e4 and champion challenging like in bdsp

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cause

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2 useless abilities on the champion?

tulip crown
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That one doesn't

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I do remember how I beat her though in bdsp

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Was a few years ago but I recall I destiny bonded

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Or wait that's from a different fan made game

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Lotta weird ass wikis everywhere

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Ohh I guess it is just bdsp with swords dance

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Thinking back my last playthrough of platinum was 2009

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So I don't have a good memory

stray rune
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Today on random battle shenanigans

latent totem
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its why her fight is so tough

pure star
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wdym

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oh

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she didn't have EVs in dppt

latent totem
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but she did have IVS

pure star
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30 in each

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but IVs aren't as powerful as EVs

pure star
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this is her garchomp's atk stat in dppt

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not including natures since they're random

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oh nvm

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they have beneficial natures

latent totem
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I would think so considering how hard she beat our ass

pure star
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im saying bdsp cynthia does

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not dppt

coarse estuary
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i am so thankful my lillpup encounter hadvital spirit. herdiers intim + baby doll eyes saved the deathless olivia because after getting lycanroc to -3 attack the z move did like only 30 then from there i could send in drifblim to minimize stall then ko with gusts

pure star
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thanks to u/zertolurian for this

tulip crown
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A lot of gen 4 being so hard might have been the times

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Most people didn't understand evs/ivs

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Most people didn't know what nature meant

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Id say most people in 2009 didn't even understand the concept of stab

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I was 11 in 2009

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I didn't even know what pokemon were able to evolve and thought all Pokemon has identical stats as long as they were the same level

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But things like stab, evs/ivs and hunting for specific natures were completely limited to super competitive players back then and that probably played a huge part in Cynthia being so busted.

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Hard to beat Cynthia when you don't even know how to properly build your pokemon.

pure star
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i realized after replaying emerald that the games werent really hard it's just a lot of things were way more vague

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also the phys/spec split made figuring out what moves would be best a little easier

tulip crown
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I brave bird or close combat spammed and then revived my overleveled staraptor

pure star
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i hate hms so much

tulip crown
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I wonder what nature and IV/evs it had

tulip crown
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Or not

coarse estuary
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what i tend to notice is that kids think pokemon games are challenging because they dont know about coverage or hm slaves or training more than 1 pokemon. ik ive heard stories of people who only used fire moves on their fire starter because they did not think moves that were not fire type were good on their starter. once people can make diverce teams and movesets most pokemon games are easy

pure star
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you can run through some pokemon games with just 1 hyperleveled mon tho

tulip crown
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4th gen is the first gen that you couldn't easily do it

pure star
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i'm pretty sure the yt Big Yellow ran through pokemon red/blue with a raticate

tulip crown
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1-3 gen you could just do that

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Now in the last few gens every pokemon in your party gains full XP for the fight

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So you always end up with a full team of pokemon at the end

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Including bdsp

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I think that's probably a better system because it doesn't force you to use unideal pokemon for certain circumstances to level them up just to keep them from falling behind

pure star
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i don't mind the exp all as long as at some point they make the games more challenging by default or let us turn it off

pure star
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spending hours grinding on victory road so you can grind exp against sydney

coarse estuary
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the one problem with the post gen 7 exp share is that it cant be turned off so if you fight everyone you will be over leved with no way to prevent it

pure star
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in gen 8 and 9 i tried to stay on or below level for gyms

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in gen 9 it's a lot easier to do that

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but gen 8 it's pretty annoying

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because of all of the mandatory fights

coarse estuary
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yeah the exp share that could be turned off was the best way to do it imo

wet canopy
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Got the magearna

pure star
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nice!

wet canopy
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Need to actually have them all in a living dex now

tulip crown
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It was absolutely too much

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They give too much XP

woven hinge
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how do i get of files to download pokemon infinite fusion

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rid of files

atomic orchid
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Just delete. I don’t see why not?
Also may want to ask Megaman in #tech-support for a more in depth answer

woven hinge
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thanks

tulip crown
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Ahh just got in the room with Cynthia

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And I'm in the post game

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Ok I won

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Let it be known. Scizor sucks lmfao even with swords dance he's too slow and takes too many hits. Sure he did end up wiping the psychic girl but damn he ain't been very helpful

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Ded before he can even touch garchomp

unkempt egret
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for the lone Skarmory in the audience

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I believe earth/dragon/fire was unresisted in gen 4

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in fact I think dragon/fire was only resisted by heatran (in gen 5 it can also resist ground with an air balloon but only until hit) prior to the fairy type

jade crypt
pure star
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i think they're talking about lucian

unkempt egret
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yea Will was gen 2

jade crypt
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Ah yeah was thinking another e4, either way both guys lol.

tulip crown
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Ehh either way

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He kinda was a letdown

warm rose
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Hello pokemonners

sleek jewel
warm rose
warm rose
late yarrow
dense sparrow
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Alarmingly effective

scenic whale
light wadi
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does anyone have any advice on how to get into Pokemon Showdown?

latent totem
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So sacred gold apparently has early game ralts and larvitar

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Also, im apparently playing the fairy type version, which as the name suggests, adds the fairy type, but also increases shiny odds to 1/257

warm rose
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Also me with super slow reaction time

unkempt egret
warm rose
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And i was just going for a gible lol

warm rose
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I wanna complete pokedex before i start shiny hunting

unkempt egret
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west prov 1 I think?

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where the dark base is I sometimes see them

warm rose
unkempt egret
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also I had sound off so I didn't hear the boom lol

warm rose
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lol

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Lighting in area 0 sucks

tulip ruin
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Numel

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Wait

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Since when is numel in the game

warm rose
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Its 151 in paldea pokedex

tulip ruin
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For the info I don't own the dlc still and didn't saw anything about the dlc

warm rose
tulip ruin
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Hmmmmm

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I feel like this is gaslighting

warm rose
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tulip ruin
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How

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Why does it feel like i never saw it before

warm rose
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Cuz

tulip ruin
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Cuz what

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Did it came with an update

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This is so weird

warm rose
tulip ruin
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This is definitely added

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They added it in later

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And why does these guids exist

pearl citrus
tulip ruin
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Nah

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This can't be real

pearl citrus
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Believe what you want bud, he was always there

tulip ruin
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A numel conspiracy

tulip ruin
gritty verge
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Why is there a numel conspiracy going on rn?

tulip ruin
tulip ruin
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Sorry for my conspiracy rant but i am just not used from people playing sloppy

unkempt egret
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lol

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but yea I remember hitting it on my nuz when I figured out you could get encounters registered in the team star bases

tulip ruin
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I just smh void it this felt so weird

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And i felt very dumb

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And when most said cuz or made fun of me i began getting irrationall and angry

coarse estuary
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updates. i beat electric trial deathless. but guzma claimed 2 souls zoroark due to putting the wrong pokemon in my 6th slot and drifblim due to sucker punch hitting through +4 evasion. also the manditory bewear trainer killed salazale due to a crit take down. to replace zoroark we added pangoro. to replace drifblim we added skarmory and to replace salazle we added togedimaru

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also this is my furthes ultra locke attempt ever

latent totem
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So I only now got up to speed with what happened to relic castle

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Is TPC/nintendo out of their fucking minds?

unkempt egret
#

always, and we just gotta accept it as fact

granite compass
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heres my level 6 gyarados

latent totem
#

man, looking at how GF and TPC are treating the older games kinda depresses me

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one of these days it'll be impossible to transfer up pokemon from gens 1-7

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because pokemon bank might get shut down at a moment's notice

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I would honestly rather gamefreak focus on preserving the franchise's past first before making any new games

unkempt egret
#

outside of the VC gen 1/2 I wouldn't be surprised if they consider gens 1-7 to be "retired" since it feels like they're increasingly treating the games like the TGC ever since about... gen 6 it feels like?

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where things rotate in and out of being usable based on what gets released and things that aren't usable "don't exist until they are"

sturdy sparrow
#

question for anyone who knows sinnoh legacy is it worth it?

latent totem
unkempt egret
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probably for the best lol

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the times you had are good at least, but eventually they will become self-contained, and an upwards journey is no longer supported, instead split into each its own journey

latent totem
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outside of the old games that I already know are good

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and fan games

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because fan game put more effort in than a multibillion dollar company and its baffling

unkempt egret
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for the most part they don't need to

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precisely because of that multibillion dollar bit. the profits are already secure so best to put that effort to branching out and expanding the brand rather than keeping customers loyal (since they cycle in and out so much that the numbers stay stable anyway), tis do be how a merch-based franchise works and pokemon's arguably the most successful example of one, at least one that started as a video game

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which isn't to say you can't have fun with the games themselves though, more just to recognize when you aren't having fun anymore and freely hop ship to new waters

latent totem
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I honestly haven't even touched gen 9

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and I don't want to

unkempt egret
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which for a lot of pokemon fans I can't blame them since gen 6+ has a very different design mentality from the first 5 gens

latent totem
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all I care about at this point are the designs

unkempt egret
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lot more focus on spin-offs being their own constantly updated thing and the VGC scene than there was in gens 1-5 (especially since I forget what gen VGC even became a thing. 3?)

latent totem
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see, I stayed on with gens 6 and 7 since they at least put in an effort to keep the older mons around

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and I really like mega evolution as a concept

unkempt egret
#

I don't blame them for that tbh, once you go past about 750 it gets increasingly rough to be able to keep track of everything

latent totem
#

far more than any of the other gimmicks

unkempt egret
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(tbh I'd almost limit it at 500 myself)

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I'd prefer to go gimmickless myself but if I had to rank it'd probably be tera <- Z-moves/megas <- dynamaxing

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megas I've warmed up to in the past 2-3 years (mostly thanks to GO) but the favoritism still rubs me the wrong way somewhat even if the other 3 being usable by any mon all led to "the rich get richer" scenarios

latent totem
#

I don't like Terastalization because it completely destroys the whole point of typings

sturdy sparrow
unkempt egret
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my main thing with Z-moves is that I wish they leaned harder into giving moves neat effects rather than just "nukes the opposing team with varying power" like with some of the status moves

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I like tera for in-game but I can otherwise see that since it's basically a controllable hidden power on steroids

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while dynamaxing feels like it was made only for the VGC and anime and just feels miserable in any other context

latent totem
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Megas were best because certain pokemon NEEDED it to be any good

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Lopunny with scrappy comes to mind

unkempt egret
#

I guess but I still don't like the pick-and-choose of it especially when some were clearly just done for publicity (X forms, looking at you two even if mewtwo's isn't as blatant about it)

latent totem
#

that's gamefreak and tpc's fault

sturdy sparrow
#

some of the designs were cool though

latent totem
#

not the gimmick as a whole

unkempt egret
#

and also some powerful mons getting it that felt like they should have been boss only (salamence, looking at you)

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but yea as I said I'd prefer to just go back to gen 5 of having no gimmicks at all but in-game tera feels like the only one where I feel fine using

latent totem
#

at the very least, some of the megas should've had MUCH harder means to obtain

unkempt egret
#

outside of some of the weaker megas like audino's or banette's

latent totem
#

like maybe instead of just giving you the stones, you have to actually earn the right to mega evolve with your chosen pokemon

unkempt egret
#

either way though, TLDR: I don't blame anything for leaving pokemon in the past 10 years or so since it's two very different different design mentalites to the previous two phases (1-2 and 3-5)

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(I kinda tend to put pokemon in four phases: gens 1-2, 3-5, 6-7, and 8-9)

latent totem
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because the idea is supposed to be that they are mega evolving because of the strong bond with their trainer

unkempt egret
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I guess GBC era, GBA/DS era, 3DS era, and Switch era

latent totem
#

DS is its own era

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and definitely the one that lasted the longest

coarse estuary
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after the ghost trial wrecked half my team to the shadow realm i had to re build. the only living members from the trial were decidueye, skarmory and pangoro. after weighing all my box options i added alolan vulpix krokorok and torkoal to the team. do we think this squad will make it far without any deaths?

latent totem
#

at least in terms of years

unkempt egret
#

yea DS was 2006-2013 or 2007-2013

sturdy sparrow
unkempt egret
#

I mostly just put gen 3 in there since it doesn't feel right putting gen 3 in its own era since it still feels similar to gen 4

latent totem
#

Gen 3 was around long enough to warrant it

unkempt egret
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(er, as in did you make it past or did you wipe and this is wave 2)

latent totem
#

also gen 3 is very different

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mainly due to the physical special split

coarse estuary
#

sorry if that wasn't clear

unkempt egret
#

going by that

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Gens 1-2: 1996-2002 (6 years) OR 1998-2003 (5 years)
Gen 3: 2002-2006 OR 2003-2007 (4 years either way)
Gens 4-5: 2006-2013 (7 years) OR 2007-2013 (6 years)
Gens 6-7: 2013-2019 (6 years, 5 years if you count Lets GO as gen 8)
Gens 8-9: 2019-2025 (6 years, probably, 7 if you again count LGO as gen 8)

latent totem
#

Gen 4 started in 2006, with some overlap with gen 3 thanks to movies and spin-offs

unkempt egret
#

watch out for nanu though since some of his members are specially focused. might wanna leverage krook there

latent totem
#

mainly due to munchlax, weavile, and lucario appearing in various gen 3 related things

unkempt egret
#

yea I listed japanese releases first then US releases for gens 1-5 (gen 6 standardized it worldwide hence why gen 5 was only 2.5 years internationally lol)

latent totem
#

that was one of the few times they did the whole teasing of new gens right

unkempt egret
#

which one, 5 or 6?

latent totem
#

Gen 4

unkempt egret
#

I like how my instinct was like "and not gen 7's "oops we showed the entire dex off pre-release except for like 2-3 lines""

coarse estuary
latent totem
#

they hyped the shit out of gen 4

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ngl

unkempt egret
#

the one thing I will warn you about though: ||lead A-ninetales on nanu since I think his last two mons both have rock coverage||

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actually nvm I think all 3 might let me check

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||first and third do, but second has earthquake||

coarse estuary
#

naw only the lead and the ace do

latent totem
#

they had the most marketing of any gen aside from gens 1 and 6

unkempt egret
#

actually let me break down that fight

sturdy sparrow
#

ultra or regular?

coarse estuary
#

i think a tales will just ohko all 3 mons

coarse estuary
unkempt egret
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Krok resists all of lead (rock/ghost) and ace's (dark/rock) movesets aside from ||two fake outs||, skarmory can take the middle but might get worn down by crunches. A-Ninetales can cover but make sure you max out its speed EVs because nanu has done the same I think

#

o

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that was for vanilla hang on

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nvm that fight's unchanged in USUM aside from just having higher levels

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so you'll actually have a krookodile

coarse estuary
#

this is exactly why i think i just lead a tales and click d gleam 4 times. i have to 4 times because of fake out

unkempt egret
#

lol

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I mean if you aren't opposed to using items (which is fair, I have them banned in my own runs) then might as well lead with an X special defense if you know you're gonna get hit with fake out

sturdy sparrow
unkempt egret
#

but yea outside of items then that's probably just good to click

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unless you want to throw an intimidate to lower the damage of it first

sturdy sparrow
#

i dont remember much other than the krok and A-persion worst case to worry about is rock or heaven help random steel move

unkempt egret
#

I can confirm that ||they do not have steel moves||

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alright if you really wanna go deep:

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||lead is impish with full special investment (attack/defense), middle is attack/speed and jolly, ace is special attack/speed and timid||

sturdy sparrow
#

out speed watch out for priority (fake out sucker punch) and the like

unkempt egret
#

...so yea fat chance of outspeeding that ace

sturdy sparrow
#

my advice with a grain of salt i dont even remember what i did during the last time i played any sun/moon game

coarse estuary
#

iirc my alolan vulpix is + speed nature but i can check rq if you want me to

unkempt egret
#

incidentally if you're in vanulla then krook can handle the ace decently enough.

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||unless you have a special defense reducing nature and really bad special bulk but you can make that up with EV training. neverending nightmare does about 37% on a non-crit with that spread.||

coarse estuary
#

just checked and its a ||minus defence plus attack|| nature

unkempt egret
#

on krook or ninetales

granite compass
#

what game yall talking abt

sturdy sparrow
#

alola ultra vers

coarse estuary
unkempt egret
#

ah

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yea we're going over strats for nanu after some harsh ghost trial losses

coarse estuary
#

krook is a terrible - attack + special defence

unkempt egret
#

believe it or not that's actually neutral in this fight

#

you do less damage (3-shot with EQ/brick break, assuming it has ||fur coat|| of course) but ace isn't hitting as hard

sturdy sparrow
unkempt egret
#

incidentally the two-shot is a 48% range anyway even with an attack increasing nature so not missing much

coarse estuary
#

the rough thing is dig will be my best move on it till 54 as eq tm is post game

unkempt egret
#

is it already a krook?

coarse estuary
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naw but it will be by the time i have to fight nanu rn while we are talkin im progressing with the poe town story part

unkempt egret
#

SO ABOUT THAT

#

gen 5 strat here but, keep krokorok unevolved (eviolite?) until level 42 if you want your earthquake

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--> level 48 in gen 7

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ok nevermind

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oh it's 43 for sandile which is a bit much

coarse estuary
#

its just best to evo it

unkempt egret
#

yea

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for what it's worth dig isn't a bad option since nanu ||has no moves to take advantage of your downturn||

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that also means you can put on leftovers to get double the recovery

coarse estuary
#

whats even the worst part is in guzma 1 i lost 2 pokemon that should not have been lost. 1 was to bad planning and putting the wrong mon in the back and the other was a stupid +4 evasion hitting sucker punch ko. i will though also before the gladeon fight go get some held items like lefties and such so i can just back to back the 2 fights

unkempt egret
#

oh right I forgot you also don't get more catches for a while that kinda makes things a lot dicier

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I gotta hop out though but I have a feeling you can at least get past nanu

coarse estuary
#

i mean ill get the stuff on the way to poe town but after that nothin for a long while. also see yah

untold dawn
#

bro why can't I save in Pokemon daybreak it says couldn't save when I try to save

vernal garnet
waxen forge
vernal garnet
#

🥵🥵

warm rose
unkempt egret
#

current event questline

warm rose
tacit tiger
#

WHY IS THE THEME OF A CAVE SONIC ADVENTURE 2 THAT PUMPKIN KNUCKLES STAGE

#

is this a fucking flutter mane

#

pokemon pathways

scenic whale
#

Nah, that's a regular misdreavus

tacit tiger
#

thankfully

#

he really gave me a perfect iv mon like that

heady girder
#

Ah I see someone also is playing Pokemon Pathways

#

I chose Vain as my mentor

vernal garnet
latent totem
viscid pelican
sturdy sparrow
#

asking anyone who knows sinnoh legacy is it worth it?

latent totem
#

my totally 100% female Sheep

#

it eepy

pine ingot
#

someone knows cute or good pokemon fan games or rom hacks? (no dark plot)

sturdy sparrow
#

i was asking for the opinion on sinnoh legacy

sudden wren
icy idol
unkempt egret
#

late but Altered Emerald is also good if you don't mind "vanilla region but X" fangames

latent totem
signal pivot
latent totem
#

Its trying

signal pivot
#

no

#

i will NOT let it try thunder noises

latent totem
#

Its a pink sheep, it can identify as whatever it wants

signal pivot
#

i wonder what mareeps think about shiny wooloo....

latent totem
#

Wooloo is the inferior sheep

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Amph supremacy

steep ingot
#

I lose my pc but i have my boy in android :^

signal pivot
#

or is it the sheep version of.....

sturdy sparrow
tacit tiger
#

I GOT THE GAY DUCK

sturdy sparrow
#

can i ask about pokemon gba rom hacks here or no?

jade crypt
jade crypt
sturdy sparrow
#

im just looking for a gba thats in sinnoh idk just feel like going thru sinnoh with quality of life updates dex too if i can

tacit tiger
#

i always liked quaxly the most from the moment i saw him

tacit tiger
#

when scarlet and violet was announced i was like
a\these guys are so fucking cool

sturdy sparrow
#

first saw the starters designs didnt hit with me but still good designs

tacit tiger
#

ducks are cool]

sturdy sparrow
#

designs were good but ducks arent a design that resonates with me

tacit tiger
#

im going to push my anti gen 1 agenda from now on

sturdy sparrow
#

im just looking for a sinnoh gba rom hack but idk many by name

tacit tiger
#

idk
maybe just play a gen four hack

sturdy sparrow
#

stuff i have alredy only work with gba and earlier

patent star
sleek jewel
tulip ruin
#

A very masculine color

#

I am not joking btw

latent totem
#

One of my fave shinies

sleek jewel
#

What? XD

latent totem
#

What

#

I think the pink looks great on ampharos, sue me

#

I SAW THAT

sleek jewel
#

Idk what your talking about

#

Anyway

#

You got any other shinies?

latent totem
#

"Cuz pink"

#

Found one other, while hunting for the mareep

#

Ill show in a bit

sleek jewel
latent totem
#

Nice

#

This is my all time fave

sleek jewel
#

These I got lucky but also I'm mad about getting like instead of getting cool mons I get bugs

latent totem
#

Shiny vivillion is neat

#

Its shiny is different depending on where its from

unkempt egret
#

hang on let me go up mine real sec

#

dunno why it double posted, only picked ones that weren't previously mentioned since they're all good

latent totem
#

here's the other shiny I found

unkempt egret
latent totem
#

Shiny lurantis is one of the few green shinies that I think looks good

sturdy sparrow
#

i still dont like how affection messes with the battle

jade crypt
tacit tiger
#

well uh how does munchlax evolve in pathways

tacit tiger
#

hey chespin i do not want type overlap so uhh yeah fuck you

tulip ruin
#

Sad chespin noises

tacit tiger
#

sorry but i got the gay duck

pine ingot
#

chespin needs more appreciation

tulip ruin
#

Yeah

#

Chespin is amazing

tacit tiger
pine ingot
#

then make room for chespin

tacit tiger
#

sorry but the overlap is with my starter

polar rose
#

Why do people think Quaxly is a gay icon

#

I don't see my little 🦆 as that

jade crypt
#

It's probably more cuz of the final evo. Cuz Quazly himself just looks like Donald Duck to me.

tacit tiger
#

yeah

jade crypt
tulip ruin
#

And why not a bit of a flamboyant mon

#

Never hurts to have something like that

tacit tiger
#

i think 120 base attack on a mon is a litle good

jade crypt
#

Yeah it's pretty good

tacit tiger
#

damn emboar has even highere

#

but it's speed is by 20 points smaller

jade crypt
#

Mega heracross real good attack stat

tacit tiger
#

i was looking at all fighting type starters and/

#

Quaxquaval has the second highest at 120 and Emboar is the highest at 123

latent totem
#

Thats surprising

tacit tiger
#

and also the reverse kingambit aka moxie

#

as ha

jade crypt
tacit tiger
#

yeah all the fire fightnig are kinda mixed

#

and Quaxqaval has a good signature move

tepid umbra
#

Freaking game has the audacity to do this early in the game and I have no balls to catch it with!

latent totem
#

Alternatively, starly

crude ember
#

i came back for a few minutes and suddenly shiny zoroark.

latent totem
crude ember
#

LOOK AT IT IN POKEMON VIOLET. IT LOOKS SO GOOOOOOOOOD

#

Venopog this is awesome. it may not be an alpha but who cares, its shiny!

tulip ruin
#

Shiny hisuian zoroark is Beautiful

#

Like it's one i so badly want

crude ember
#

Seriously, it was ina outbreak i was just flying to the outbreak and boom, shiny.

and i just knew... i had to transfer it to pokemon violet

tulip ruin
#

Sadly i know i will never have it

#

But i accepted that

crude ember
tulip ruin
#

I could have a shiny charm idk shiny odds 4 times increased

crude ember
#

i had to urge to get the shiny charm in PLA after i got it in violet

tulip ruin
#

And i still wouldn't be able to get it

solid laurel
tulip ruin
#

Tbh it's always a nice addition as i just love to complete every pokedex

#

That's how i play Pokémon

tulip ruin
#

As an example if something is 10% i will maybe maybe when the stars align correctly get it once so for me it doesn't make a difference if it's 10 or 0.00.01%

#

That's why I stopped playing baldurs gate i am just too unlucky

crude ember
#

oh wow

#

i need the hisui mark on the zoroark so... time to teleport it to hisui to take a selfie

peak roost
#

does anyone play TGOM

unkempt egret
#

nice job either way tho

peak roost
#

neo

#

do you play TGOM?

crude ember
peak roost
#

Cloie

crude ember
#

i dont know what TGOM is

#

so no

peak roost
#

aw well wanna chat i can help you download it if you want its sooooooooooooooooooo fun

#

or PLA

weak plaza
#

There's a lot of acronyms out there

peak roost
#

this gym of mine

unkempt egret
#

I do not, sorry

tulip ruin
#

I played it for a bit

#

But got pretty fast bored of it

#

I can remember using the steel type one

hard plume
#

crack theory:

#

We are going to have a poison type eeveelution on april fools day

unkempt egret
#

april fools usually means ditto or sudowoodo spam for GO

#

...except last year where they just gave everyone the Average July 2016 Player Experience At Home

viscid pelican
#

Imagine they did a Legends Z-A trailer on April Fools and it's all fake info

#

Either that or it starts out as Legends Z-A and trails into something like Pokemon Unite

latent totem
winter flare
#

here are my sprite tierlists for red and green and red and blue

#

im doing yellow now

timber siren
winter flare
timber siren
twilit hazel
#

Specifically, whatever kind of Legends game you could cook up for Kanto

#

And maybe even have it feature this guy

timber siren
#

I wish

coarse estuary
#

some ultra sun locke updates. torkoal died to a team skull grunt getting a crit poision sludgebomb, deathless guzma, pangoro died to gladeon due to me thinking type null would outspeed my pangoro so i did not click brick break like i shoud have. and nanu was deathless but i had a scare when a crit dark z move brought my krookodile to 12 hp

latent totem
latent totem
#

Its basically a bootleg poison type

#

When i think toxic stall, i think umbreon

hard plume
#

hmm

#

what would a poison type eeveelution look like?

#

i mean, obviously it can't be umbreon

#

so...

weak plaza
#

Nope
It's umbreon heehee

#

You get a purple umbreon

hard plume
#

ahh., hold on

#

we can make it the opposite of umbreon

#

A speedy yet fragile poison type

latent totem
weak plaza
#

Mebbe some kind of poison dart eevee

hard plume
#

THAT

latent totem
#

You just described most poison types actually

#

But also

#

We are LONG overdue for a dragon eeveelution

weak plaza
#

I kinda feel like we won't get one

#

Dragon is usually considered a big deal type

latent totem
#

Shouldve gotten one as sylveon's counterpart

weak plaza
#

They don't want to elevate any one form other than eevee over the others

latent totem
weak plaza
#

Sylveon's already been put in place along the others

latent totem
#

Who proceeded to dominate competitive

weak plaza
#

Game Freak doesn't care about competitive

hard plume
#

guys I'm just wondering what a poison type eeveelution would be like

weak plaza
#

Soap eevee

latent totem
#

Like

#

A poison type eevee

hard plume
#

come on

#

you got to at least use your creative juices

#

...hm..

latent totem
#

It will have... paws

hard plume
#

so... if espeon gets rekt by umbreon

latent totem
#

And a tail

hard plume
#

and leafeon gets rekt by glaceon

#

then what would slyveon get rekt by?

#

a poison type eeveelution

latent totem
#

Steel eevee

hard plume
#

hmm

#

also a good choice

latent totem
#

Robo eevee

hard plume
#

but I'm trying to think of a legit counterpart to sylvie and

latent totem
#

Actually thats a pretty good idea for the steel eeveelution

hard plume
#

steel space sylvie

weak plaza
#

The lunar rabbit?

#

The one that makes mochi?

hard plume
#

yep

#

Sylveon might have inspiration from lunar rabbits

#

but I think a pretty cool counterpart to sylvie would be an unseelie eeveelution

latent totem
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I dont think eeveelutions are in the running for regional variants, since each one already technically is one

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Which would normally be dark, but that's already taken

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Or maybe umbreon is unseelie?

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hmm

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hang on

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I think I have a good angle for this sylveon counterpart

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The fighting eevee
Puncheon heehee

hard plume
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if Sylveon has ties with Chang'e, what if this poison type eeveelution have ties with witches?

weak plaza
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Just make another multi-evolving pokemon that covers the other types smh

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OoO

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Birdeon

weak plaza
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Flapeon

hard plume
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ok this might not be one for the poison type

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I think it would be interesting for it to be ghost, since it's based on superstitions

latent totem
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Ghost type eevee

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Booeon

weak plaza
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Ground type eevee
Dirteon

latent totem
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Rock eever

weak plaza
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Rock eevee
Rockeon

latent totem
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Rocke-

weak plaza
latent totem
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God damnit

weak plaza
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Normal eevee

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eevee

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Bug eevee

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bugeon

rain bluff
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No

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Buzzeon

weak plaza
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We're coming up with the stupidest possible names

latent totem
rain bluff
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Fair

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Continue

weak plaza
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Tera eevee

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typeon

latent totem
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??? Eevee

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Enigeon

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typeless eevee

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eon

latent totem
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Baby eevee

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E

weak plaza
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/6!2?2 A type eevee

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^U&eon

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CoolTrainer♂️ type eevee
Neateon

latent totem
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Sad eevee

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Depresseon

weak plaza
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Illltoto type eevee
Toteon

latent totem
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Radioactive eevee

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Nucleon

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Plane eevee

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Latieon

weak plaza
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long eevee

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eeleon

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ok I had fun with this one

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basically it's a ghost type eeveelution that is based on black cats and bad luck

weak plaza
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it's very sweet, but it causes bad luck around it

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ability: jinx
opponent's move accuracy is inversed

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....I might want to workshop it a little, but I think its a dangerous yet fun idea

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I also based it off of sphinx cats

latent totem
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That sounds horrible

hard plume
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i know

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it's like shedinja levels of "are you freaking kidding me"

latent totem
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It would instantly be banned from anything even remotely competitive

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Though that does mean ohko moves will hit with 100% accuracy

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another idea is that the opponent's moves may land on itself

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....actually, correction, it would be around 70%

latent totem
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Still would hit most of the time

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it would be like shedinja's wonder guard (can't be hit EXCEPT for its weakness)