other-pokemon-games

[winter flare]

-that will fight amongst itself

[finite sierra]

Pokemon rules

[winter flare]

ok then

[finite sierra]

Game*

[winter flare]

zangoose and seviper fight eachother in hordes

also listen to the video i sent

[finite sierra]

Im just saying for this battle its 2 teams

[winter flare]

and lions fight amongst each other

which considering zangoose and seviper can do that in game with hordes-

whats stopping the lions then?

the ones that would obviously hate each other due to how many there are

[finite sierra]

Have they attacked eachother in a team battle?

[winter flare]

horde battles are team battles essentially

so yes, actually

zangoose/seviper can appear in seviper/zangoose hordes

[finite sierra]

Tbh ive just been smiling and nodding but i have no clue what a horde battle is

[winter flare]

and the zangooses/sevipers will attack the seviper/zangoose

[winter flare]

ok so like

its a wild battle but

there are 5 pokemon against your one

[finite sierra]

Wait is it rhat 1v5

[winter flare]

yep

[finite sierra]

Wait so shouldnt every instance of battle be one pokemon vs 5 lions

Since your saying its a horde battle

[winter flare]

yes

which would mean

earthquake

and water spout

w o r k s

[finite sierra]

Did you forget the thing i sent you

[winter flare]

no no

easrthquake and shit hit all 5 pokemon

[finite sierra]

Frick lost the link nrn

Brb

[winter flare]

https://pokemondb.net/move/group/multi-target

here

[winter flare]

ok but that doesnt matter because

horde battles arent 3v3s

and i have played xy and oras

and i can tell you that

earthquake and shit hit all five

[finite sierra]

It will still only hit 3 max if you aim in the middle

[winter flare]

NO

I AM TELLING YOU THAT

I HAVE PLAYED XY AND ORAS

YOU DONT KNOW WHAT HORDE BATTLES WERE

AND EARTHQUAKE WORKS ON ALL FIVE

[cedar flint]

XY an OrAs hordes

[finite sierra]

Ok fine

[cedar flint]

Were
XXX
XYX

[winter flare]

thank you

[cedar flint]

you were Y

so still 5 is MAXIMUM

[finite sierra]

Thats my boy the head researcher

[winter flare]

yeah and if they all get one shot (due to their horrid defenses they will)

thats 1 pp gone to kill 5 lions

and then they can move on to the next 5

[cedar flint]

if all 1k pokemon have 100 pp of EQ and all ohko 5 lions

[winter flare]

not counting if they have multiple spread moves like rock slide and earthquake on a t-tar

[cedar flint]

you kill 0.1% of the 1 bil lions

[winter flare]

jesus christ

[cedar flint]

yeah

[winter flare]

if it is just one big horde battle

[cedar flint]

a billion is a lot

[winter flare]

they all dies anyway

[cedar flint]

nope wouldnt work like that

not how EQ works

EQ caps at 5

[finite sierra]

Keep in mind that lions have 115 of summin speed

[winter flare]

how do you know that?

[winter flare]

we never had a 6 v 1

[cedar flint]

have you play BW

it caps at 5

[winter flare]

wrong

because

lions arent that fast irl

[cedar flint]

you cannot reach to the opossite corner

its range is a limit of 1

[winter flare]

there has never been a 1v6

[finite sierra]

Lions are as fast as leopards

[winter flare]

so you cant prove it other wise

[winter flare]

you cant say "liepard is leopard"

because pokemon

arent real animals

lions, are

[cedar flint]

pokemon BW

ABC
XYZ

Pokemon X uses Earthquake
ONLY pokemon ABX get hit

CZ are too far away to get hit by EQ

[finite sierra]

THATS the proof

[winter flare]

and then

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XdOSMo6Svc

watch

now

[cedar flint]

EQ has limit to its range

[finite sierra]

I tried to tell em that

[winter flare]

WATCH.

THE VIDEO.

and dont say "one video doesnt prove it"

[finite sierra]

@winter flare your one answer has been that one video

[winter flare]

BECAUSE YOU HAFVE NOT

WATCHED IT

[finite sierra]

Its 2 years old

[winter flare]

i have given you

several answers

[winter flare]

its not outdated because your only plan is

"lion ladder and then numbers"

its only outdated in a way that

[cedar flint]

theyre all bad stats though. Cause EQ cant hit all the 1 bil lions

[finite sierra]

I mean thats my main plan but

[winter flare]

THE POKEMON WOULD DO EVEN MORE DAMAGE DO TO HAVING MORE

[cedar flint]

EQ is tiny range

[winter flare]

noll reed

you dumbfuck

watch

the video.

[finite sierra]

Ok, so if earthquake DID hit everyone, its power lowers with EVERY pokemon in range

[winter flare]

no it doesnt

in a 1v5

[finite sierra]

And if it DID have that much range, theres friendly fire too

[winter flare]

its still 75% of its original power

meaning 75 bp

if its a 1v3

still 75

1v1 billion? 75

[winter flare]

levitate

flying type

earth eater

[finite sierra]

Still thats a - earth eater?

[winter flare]

yep

[cedar flint]

this dude in the vid says "in triple battles" and then clearly hasnt tested spread move in triple battles

🤡

[winter flare]

its water absorb but for ground type lol

[finite sierra]

Oh

Still tho a lot of pokemon dead

[winter flare]

and also the pokemon the resist ground type

or are bulky enough to live

[finite sierra]

Sure

[winter flare]

also lemme double check but iirc only orthworm has earth eater

ok yeah its just orthworm

[finite sierra]

But again you said horde battles are 1v5

[winter flare]

but still, levitate, flying types, and resistances exist

[winter flare]

im sure if the game didnt lag from a horde battle it could go higher

[finite sierra]

But it hasnt

[winter flare]

yeah

[cedar flint]

AOE moves are tiny

[winter flare]

because

it lags

[cedar flint]

they arent infinite range xd

[winter flare]

please for the love of fucking god

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XdOSMo6Svc

watch the video

[cedar flint]

i am, its bad

they havent played the game

[winter flare]

ITS WOLFE

GLICKE

[cedar flint]

EQ doesnt hit every pokemon in a battle

[winter flare]

ARE YOU

DUMB??

[cedar flint]

EQ, Sprout whatever

dont hit all most in a battle

they just dont, not how it works.

you saying it does doesnt make it so

[finite sierra]

Triple battle. If your in the middle and use earthquake, it hits all 3. If your on the very left, it only hits the middle and the left? How does it not hit the one on the right? Because of the tiny radius.

[cedar flint]

Horde battle btw

in this scenario the Female nidoran does NOT hit all the male nidoran with Earthquake

[winter flare]

yknow what
im done
im not dealing with people who think lions could beat god or two time controllers or someone that can literally win every single time

[finite sierra]

Nidoran can learn earthquake?

[winter flare]

it evolves into a ground type

duh

[cedar flint]

i was saying as an example

[finite sierra]

I meant the unevolved form

Cuz its first stage

[cedar flint]

and also acting like the pokedex is canon is malarky lmao

"ah yes gardevoir can make a black hole. just trust me bro put it in there"

[winter flare]

ok but that doesnt excuse arceus still being god

dex or not

[rain shell]

I don't think that's in IF. :thinking: Did you misspell something?

[winter flare]

thats true

shut the fuck up yanmega

[cedar flint]

a "god" that can be killed by ratata with quick attack

[finite sierra]

So we win?

[winter flare]

rattata

[winter flare]

you win an award for being dumbasses, sure

[cedar flint]

if you were saying theyre spread moves like in Pokemon Mystery Dungeon then yea pokemon WIPE

[winter flare]

and since there are no trainers

it should work like that, no?

[cedar flint]

cause moves in that game, like HeatWave has infinite range

[winter flare]

no trainers, just pokemon

[finite sierra]

Spinoffs arent canon tho

[winter flare]

so why not make it like mystery dungeon?

[finite sierra]

Were basing it off of canon logic

[winter flare]

right

so a lion ladder is canon logic?

[finite sierra]

Its been there since the first reddit question that started it we cant not include it

Plus in an actual battle lion ladder does nothing

[winter flare]

then shut the fuck up about it

[cedar flint]

you brought it up

[winter flare]

I DIDNT

[finite sierra]

[winter flare]

IM NOT THE ONE WHO SAID LION LADDER FIRST

[cedar flint]

also the video is extra 🤡 🤡

"lets just give pokemon infinite prep time" 🤡

[winter flare]

its not prep time though

its happening in the batlle

also, if we gave the pokemon prep time

we would give the lions prep time

and tell me

what would LIONS, an animal that sleeps for 18-20 HOURS A DAY

do with prep time?

[finite sierra]

Pokemon world, sleep is a bad thing

[cedar flint]

so youre saying lets give unfair advantage to pokemon cause they need it?

[winter flare]

uh-huh

[winter flare]

ok but lions

arent a pokemon

they are real, living things

[finite sierra]

If we’re in the pokemon world then we need pokemon logic

[cedar flint]

the theatre of the mind is based around all of a sudden 1 bil lions and 1 of every pokemon are just dumped in an infinite pokemon combat esque plane to brawl it out

in pokemon combat they dont need to sleep or eat or this that the other

[finite sierra]

With the infinite pokemon combat esque being canon
If you start a pokemon battle in a school, it brings you to a giant endless graph paper

Or in any building actually

[cedar flint]

or even on water

[finite sierra]

True it generates ground

[cedar flint]

or even fighting a horde battle in a 1x1 of grass. an insta infinite plane is appeared

headbutt a tree? you bet an infinite plane appears

[finite sierra]

Think hes offline

[cedar flint]

guy goes offline? infinite plane

[finite sierra]

Lmao

[cedar flint]

i mean tbh i think the fact EQ has limited range is enough to legitimately make it so 1 bil lions actually win

[finite sierra]

True

[cedar flint]

only way that pokemon win is with mystery dungeon rules

[finite sierra]

I should make a server so people can copy and paste answers to questions cuz pokemonners seem to always ask the same ones

[winter flare]

ok wait

i just realized

are we counting diffrent forms?

[cedar flint]

smogon rules

[winter flare]

different*

[cedar flint]

1 of each #

[winter flare]

excuse me but

[finite sierra]

I mean wouldnt it count if the pokemon cant transform between forms

[winter flare]

DO YOU THINK A WILD BATTLE HAS SMOGON RULES?

[finite sierra]

The heck is smogon

[cedar flint]

no i mean smogon as in 1 of each unique #

i dont mean they need smogon OU rulings

[finite sierra]

Whats smogon tho lol

[cedar flint]

just the official competitive stuff of pokemon

[finite sierra]

Ah

[finite sierra]

did you have an argument if we did? Cuz now im curious

[cedar flint]

probably gunna bring up the spinda thing

[winter flare]

if we do count each diffrent variation being a different form:

[winter flare]

yes

because its funny

[finite sierra]

Lmao

[winter flare]

funny panda

whos probably constantly drunk

[finite sierra]

Did realize that lol

Are they like automatically generated or summin

Cuz i heard theres like a quintillion of them

[winter flare]

i think its like

4 billion

lemme check

yeah 4.3 billion

[finite sierra]

I mean 4 spinda per lion

Hows spiinda’s stats?

[winter flare]

contrary superpower

60 in everything, but tbf the lions have shitty defense

[cedar flint]

clown video literally breaking game mechanics saying EQ hits 1 bil enemies

[winter flare]

70 defense but its also

4 120 super effective moves

and sure the lions could outspeed and kill one-

but that still leaves 3 tbf

[finite sierra]

@cedar flint what did you base the stats off again

[cedar flint]

a mish mash of normal wordly pokemon

[winter flare]

the speed is inaccurate

it should be like 40-60 or so

since lions arent that fast irl

[cedar flint]

Persian namely for speed. HP namely off of furret. ATK being a mish mash of Pyroar, Furret, Liepard, Persian

[winter flare]

btu i do think the attack should be a bit higher

[cedar flint]

i mean persian is 115 speed

[winter flare]

fair

[cedar flint]

purugly is 102

[finite sierra]

I like how i ended up pulling a guy amazing in stat stuff and a photoshop guy to make the statsheet pic

[winter flare]

the lions should also have more defense

[finite sierra]

We couldnt give it less hp than a furret

[winter flare]

at least the male ones

[cedar flint]

i am devils advocate supreme

[potent torrent]

1 Pidgey solos 4 billion lions Fr

[winter flare]

since male lions manes protect its neck from neck bites

[cedar flint]

i will argue the dumbest stuff until i confince myself of nonsense

[finite sierra]

Lion ladder

[winter flare]

pidgey flies away from lion ladder

[finite sierra]

Thats the motto of Team Lion

[winter flare]

lion ladder cannot attack pidgey

[potent torrent]

Yeah but bird

[finite sierra]

Then they flee, forfeit

[winter flare]

lion ladder also dies from suffocation from space

[winter flare]

oh really?

then the pidgey can fly slightly out of its range

but still attack with gust

or smth

[finite sierra]

Uproar

[winter flare]

what uproar?

[finite sierra]

Fuck wtf

[winter flare]

dont see uproar

[finite sierra]

I told him to put that there

[winter flare]

the lion ladder falls and they die from falling

or suffocation if they were in space

[finite sierra]

Cats land on their feet

[winter flare]

ok they do

but tell me

will that save them from falling off a skyscraper?

[cedar flint]

cats can land from terminal velocity and live yes

[winter flare]

no

no they cant??

[cedar flint]

they literally have been recorded to

[winter flare]

well they can LAND

but they will die

[cedar flint]

they literally live

[winter flare]

explain

recorded where?

[cedar flint]

cats from terminal velocity survive

funnily cats from slightly less than terminal velocity dont

and from highrise apartment complexes

[finite sierra]

Back

[winter flare]

ok but if a lion falls from

the atmosphere

[winter flare]

will it die, not counting them burning

[cedar flint]

terminal velocity means it could fall from literally infinite distance

[finite sierra]

Also in the game you cant just run slightly out of reach lol

Rattata can reach eternatus

[winter flare]

also what if a pokemon just

uses minimize

and becomes impossible to hit

[cedar flint]

they die to using their own struggle

[finite sierra]

I mean if its one pidgey then it totally runs out of pp

[winter flare]

wait i got an idea

does this "massive pride" have a leader?

[finite sierra]

Uhh

[cedar flint]

best counter argument ive seen yet is Imprison on Ditto Smeargle and Mew

[finite sierra]

Me

Lol

[winter flare]

that doesnt work

imprison only works on one target iirc

[cedar flint]

getting theoretically 12 moves insta nixxed for a vast majorty having to use struggle

[finite sierra]

Explain

[cedar flint]

infinite oponents

[finite sierra]

Stop helping him

[winter flare]

ditto/mew/smeargle transforms into you, tells the lions to forfeit

[cedar flint]

its still not enough

[finite sierra]

Smeargle can learn transform?

[winter flare]

yeah

sketch

[finite sierra]

Huh

[winter flare]

sketch learns anything

[finite sierra]

Oh

[cedar flint]

actually can it sketch transform lemme see

[winter flare]

i assume it can-

[cedar flint]

nope, transform exempt

[winter flare]

oh ok

then just mew and ditto

[cedar flint]

so itd be a total of 11 moves. smeargle with 3, Mew and Ditto with 4 a pop

but theyd need to get lucky and hit the unique ones with no overlap for that

and even then its still 1 billion struggles

[winter flare]

iirc

impostor/transform only gets 5 pp per move

[finite sierra]

How much does struggle do?

[winter flare]

or its just they arent effected by pp ups-

[winter flare]

40 base power

[finite sierra]

Ah

[cedar flint]

25% self recoil.

[winter flare]

4 billion*

[finite sierra]

Plus they could targer the imprison user

[finite sierra]

I meant to the enemy

[cedar flint]

oh

[finite sierra]

Huh

[winter flare]

a lion could struggle 4 times before dying

[finite sierra]

You only get one struggle

[winter flare]

since struggle does 25% to you

[finite sierra]

Oh i thought you meant as in one struggle per move

[cedar flint]

4-5

can do 24% cause of rounding

[winter flare]

yeah 4-5 since some might have odd hp number

[finite sierra]

Btw @cedar flint are the stats on level 100?

[winter flare]

i assume so

[cedar flint]

those are BST

they get scaled on level

[finite sierra]

Ya so what level is it scaled at

[cedar flint]

IIRC BST ~ lvl 50 stats

[finite sierra]

Ah

[winter flare]

i assume just level 50/100

if not then

what levels would the lions be??

[cedar flint]

Also extra info. Moves like "follow me" also have Earthquake range

and can only be used on a maximum of 5 surrounding pokemon. Finite range

[winter flare]

anyway uhh moving past lions vs pokemon shit

can i talk about my theory for pokemon remakes?

[cedar flint]

i just hope they make a second Pokemon Lets go

[winter flare]

i agree actually

it was fun

[cedar flint]

that or pokemon XD

[winter flare]

i still have the pokeball from it

[winter flare]

shadow mewtwo vs shadow lugia when

anyway my theory is

each generation, the game that is half of the current generation number, gets a remake

my examples are:

gen 3: gen 1 (1.5, 1, close enough
gen 4: gen 2
gen 6: gen 3
gen 8: gen 4

so that means, next gen, we get a unova remake

[finite sierra]

Oo

Except that sun and moon immediately got a remake lol

[winter flare]

true

[finite sierra]

If that counts

[winter flare]

well gen 1 also got two remakes

[winter flare]

and so did black and white

[cedar flint]

and D/P

[finite sierra]

Doesnt gen 1 have like 7 games

[winter flare]

and gen 4 and gen 3

[winter flare]

red
blue
green
yellow
fire red
leaf green
lets go pikachu
lets go eevee

eight

[finite sierra]

Dang i just completely guessed

[winter flare]

lol

[finite sierra]

Why not water blue or lemon yellow

[winter flare]

i dont think green was ever released into the west

so technically seven for us

[cedar flint]

nah nah remake this beauty

[finite sierra]

Btw join Team Lion and get 50% off in the giftshop your first day

[finite sierra]

Wait what

[winter flare]

ok then fuck it

[cedar flint]

or remake pokemon stadium, ive never played that and only heard good things

[finite sierra]

Like the old nidoqueen animation

[winter flare]

or just any 3d pokemon game pre-gen 6

i need a pokken tournament remake

nintendo i beg of you please

[cedar flint]

and if anyon euses the switch as an excuse im gunna scream

like bro look at pokemon XD or Stadium or Eevee

[finite sierra]

Wym

[cedar flint]

people say "bruh ScarViol are only bad looking cause switch is bad"

[finite sierra]

Lol

[cedar flint]

But then theres stuff like BotW and TotK

[winter flare]

exactly

iirc the switch has WITCHER

yeah it does

[finite sierra]

Remember that DS pokemon game where everyone looked like bobble heads?

[winter flare]

until gen 7

[finite sierra]

It used Miis as the humans

[finite sierra]

Huh

[cedar flint]

bro release some pokemon Mini dlc

im itching for some more levels on Diglett Pinball

[winter flare]

aw hell yeah

[cedar flint]

real pokemon fans

[winter flare]

when we getting a sequel to pokemon puzzle league

[finite sierra]

Puzzle league logic and lions are toast

[winter flare]

true

wait

i just realized

[finite sierra]

Remember that DS pokemon game where everyone looked like bobble heads? It also had Miis in it

[winter flare]

the lions cant win

ever

because pokemon

have bidoof and lechonk

[cedar flint]

I almost found a legit way for some Cacturne to 1 v infinite

[winter flare]

fr?

[cedar flint]

Spiky Shield + Substitute loop

[winter flare]

lol

but cacturne doesnt get prankster

[cedar flint]

sadly not

[winter flare]

and its pretty slow outside of sandstorm

[finite sierra]

How would that work

[cedar flint]

also spiky shield is 1/8 and sub is 1v4

[winter flare]

wait no cacturne doesnt even get sand rush

[cedar flint]

Spiky shield is like protect

[winter flare]

just sand veil

[winter flare]

but it damages on contact

[cedar flint]

but also deals 1/8th max hp retalitory dmg

[winter flare]

yeah

[finite sierra]

No i mean how would that win

[cedar flint]

meaning if you use it 8 times in a row successfully and all the lions hit you each time you win, assuming contact

[finite sierra]

Cuz wouldnt it only be every other tirn

[cedar flint]

but, seeing as the lions can roar, or rest, and that the odds of getting 8 in a row, its not feasible

you CAN get it multiple turns in a row

[winter flare]

i do have an idea on how all the lions would attack cacturne

the move spotlight

[finite sierra]

Oh it doesnr have a cooldown like protect?

[cedar flint]

it does

protect can proc multiple times in a row

it just has a 50% chance to fail that compounds

so 50% to fail if used 2 times. 75% if 3 times. 87.5% on the 4th

etc

[winter flare]

yeah

but sometimes that 50% seems like 0%

[cedar flint]

Sadly "centre of attention" stats have a finite range like EQ

[winter flare]

oh right

forgot about that

[cedar flint]

almost found an actual way for pokemon to win

[winter flare]

how?

[finite sierra]

Stop talking lmao

[cedar flint]

the spiky shield

thats the closest so far

mind you that also only works in 1v1bil

and even then only gets half way

[finite sierra]

Oh true

[winter flare]

i have decided to join team lion

also because i think lions are cool

[finite sierra]

We have a researcher, a fool, an enthusiast, and now a ___

[winter flare]

yeah what do i get to be

the guy dumber than the fool?

[finite sierra]

Ur choicr

[cedar flint]

mind you i think Hail esque weather moves are also close

[winter flare]

pre-gen 9 hail

[cedar flint]

But cause of all mons having huge overlap not sure how it really goes.

[finite sierra]

I think he did fool cuz he had a jester pfp

[winter flare]

i think that hippowdon has the lowest speed of any weather ability mon

[finite sierra]

Ur choice

[finite sierra]

Psyduck

[winter flare]

and considering sandstorm is the only damaging weather now

[winter flare]

and rayquaza

[cedar flint]

mind you lions having rest beat it out

[finite sierra]

Really?

[winter flare]

air lock

[cedar flint]

yea rayquaza is SUPER cloud 9

[finite sierra]

Ah

[finite sierra]

Whats the diff

[winter flare]

well tbf that would also give pokemon free turns to attack the lions

[cedar flint]

Air lock takes most prio

[finite sierra]

Ah

[winter flare]

speaking of cloud nine

i once beat a sand and sun team using drampa

[cedar flint]

i mean as stated, they can attack 8 mons each turn for 100 turns in a row each and tahts only 0.1% of a billion

[finite sierra]

Sand and sun?

[winter flare]

nah two diffrent battles

different*

[finite sierra]

Im confused lol

[winter flare]

i fought a sand team and then a sun team back to back in showdown

and drampa shut both of them down lmao

[cedar flint]

oh air lock also removes the wather. While cloud nine just removes its effects

[finite sierra]

I dont know what that is lol

[cedar flint]

nvm misinfo

[winter flare]

drampa or showdown?

[finite sierra]

Showdown

[winter flare]

showdown is a pokemon battle simulator

you can fight people on it

and build teams n such

[cedar flint]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/

[finite sierra]

Drampa is the guy who drags kids into caves and does idfk to then

[winter flare]

nah drampa is the one that burns down the buildings of bullies lmao

[cedar flint]

can make teams and stuff

[winter flare]

fun fact about the tapus

[finite sierra]

Oh that game thats always in youtube videos

[cedar flint]

yee

[winter flare]

the only tapus that can learn play rough is the special attacking ones (lele and fini)

meanwhile tapu koko and tapu bulu dont lmao

[cedar flint]

or do what i do and use it to organise by stats

[finite sierra]

Coincidentally also the women

[cedar flint]

☕

[winter flare]

sus

only the women can play rough?

hm m m

[cedar flint]

bro whimsicott zoomin on the wind

[winter flare]

man

zebstrika deserves an evo

or alternate form

zebstrika is such a cool mon imo

[finite sierra]

Isnt zebstrika an evi

Evo

[winter flare]

only a two stage

[cedar flint]

yeah, but like, a mid one

PU tier is called PU

cause PEEE YUU

like stinky

cause it shit

[winter flare]

i dont like pu since its out of line with the other tiers

overused
underused
rarelyused
neverused
pu??
zeroused

[cedar flint]

pu is stinky

[soft stag]

pu is named pu because it's funny

[winter flare]

I KNOW THAT

[cedar flint]

stinky zebra

[winter flare]

i just thought that pu meant like, partiallyused or smth

[finite sierra]

How abt CEO of Lions lol

[winter flare]

no.

im staying the ceo of boredom

[finite sierra]

Dang

[cedar flint]

yea i feel like it was just a funny entry level joke

you dont know ab out it, are confused on the naming scheme, learn the scheming, get confused at PU, someone tells you it means stinky, you think its a joke

it is a joke, but it also means stinky

[winter flare]

wanna know an idea i got to buff mega garchomp?

give it tough claws lmao

[finite sierra]

How tho

[winter flare]

tough claws

[finite sierra]

Doesnt it need to hold a stone

[winter flare]

yeah

tough claws is an ability

[finite sierra]

Oh my b

[winter flare]

its fine

[cedar flint]

Also god Dracovish is insane

[winter flare]

strong jaw boosted fishious rend

[cedar flint]

Did you know it deals more damage with its Fiscious Rend than a Lickilicky with STAB Explosion

[winter flare]

i mean i figured

[finite sierra]

I remember a yt short of the pokemon duo that one eats the other from paldea, and the enemy kept hitting the area where the little guy was

Tatsurigi and dondozi?

[winter flare]

yep

tatsugiri

[finite sierra]

Dondozo*

I should make a discord server where we can copy n paste answers to an argument that pokemon win, since they always use the same one

[winter flare]

maybe

yeah do that lol

[finite sierra]

Ight

[finite sierra]

Dms

[blazing surge]

@finite sierra

[finite sierra]

Thas just the point: he has no pokemon knowledge

@blazing surge what side are you on

I can counter any argument, i have a server to copy and paste from

[blazing surge]

neither

pokemon

[finite sierra]

Ew

[soft stag]

everyone that says lions and I'll tell you why

everyone says lions will win for one of two main reasons

1: that's a lot of lions

2: pokemon have limited pp, hp and the like

but the thing is

the people who say 1 need a better brain

the second thing is that the whole real point of this thing is treating pokemon like real creatures

hp, pp and other things don't apply of they're being treated like real creatures

[finite sierra]

True, a lot of people just say lions sre real animals but still treat pokemon like pokemon, too

[finite sierra]

Wait why treating pokemon like real animals

[rare river]

day 2 of making pokemon for my Tibet inspired fangame. here's 2nd and 3rd evos of the water starter. what do you think?

[finite sierra]

Tibet?

[finite sierra]

Ah

What do they represent

[rare river]

well, they were meant to represent kung-fu fighters, but i quite can't see it yet. i'll remake their design later into development

if the game survives the development stage ofc

the director writes like an 7 yo

[finite sierra]

Oop

[rare river]

let's just say they're beta sprites, since i was invited into this project yesterday

[finite sierra]

Lol

[cinder orbit]

I think the billion lions vs pokemon boils down to:

• if cheese strats like that perish song stall chain from a few days back are allowed, pokemon use it and win
• if it's just a straight up brawl without any of that mass-OHKO stuff applying, lions win

[clear dew]

i encourage yall to try this, it will really test your pokemon knowledge

me and the other person who created it have dubbed it "the painlocke"

no running from wild mons, all pokemon are ??? till registered in the dex, no tms, only way to get PP back is from berries or the medicines, and if you white out, the save file gets deleted

its quite challenging lol, ive attempted it close to around 20 times? and only beat it once

[frank tide]

I'd rather keep my sanity

[clear dew]

its not even that bad lol

really all it does is challenge you of your pokemon cries/moves they use so you know what youre up against

and in this locke, repels are your best friend

[finite sierra]

Wild pokemon, it has been agreed apon

[finite sierra]

Can you explain egg, mystery, and the last 3?

[clear dew]

egglocke is as the name suggests, you can have a bunch of eggs pre made to use or you can take the time to make your own (that takes A LONG TIME)

[clear dew]

mystery is when you cant see what the pokemon is till you register it in the dec, otherwise they will show up as ???, bravery is no running from wild mons, wonder (i assume, havent done it before) is a wonderlocke, and ironman is where if you whiteout, your save file gets automatically deleted

[finite sierra]

Wonderlocke as in like wondertrades only?

[clear dew]

i would assume? like i said i have never used that one before

[clear dew]

now pick my fate lol

i wont see what they are till i pick em

[finite sierra]

Right is always right

[clear dew]

no.... its not

oh i can tell im gonna lose this run so fast

[finite sierra]

What were the others

[clear dew]

hang on, gotta reset and see

A DAMN BLAZIKEN

and

[finite sierra]

Randomizer?

[clear dew]

charmeleon

[finite sierra]

Lol

[clear dew]

yeah, always randomizer

more fun

[finite sierra]

Then whyd u reset

[clear dew]

and you legit picked the worst 1, i mean reset as in soft reset, my bad

[finite sierra]

Lol

[clear dew]

and once i enter the lab, the starters are locked in

[finite sierra]

Ah

[clear dew]

meaning if i were to save outside the lab and go in for the first time, they would be different each time

@stable stirrup if you watching me then sorry lol, im jsut showing off the painlocke

[stable stirrup]

Good

[clear dew]

if ya wanna know what that is then scroll up lol

OH JESUS, THATS A MEWTWO

oh wait no, thats staryu

well shit

@sand merlin same for you, if youre curious what im doing im just showing the painlocke, for more info scroll up a bit

@stable stirrup you wanna pick my starter for me?

[stable stirrup]

YESSS

[clear dew]

little late lol, sorry, i picked middle and its a fucking wormadam as you can see

all it has is struggle

[stable stirrup]

Nice banner ngl

[clear dew]

i could reset, thanks ❤️

[stable stirrup]

Noo dont worry

Oh its insurgence

[clear dew]

so, thats a bit of a mulligan, my mon had struggle

solely for the sake of not having to run all the way back and start over, im just picking a diff mon

[stable stirrup]

Ohh i see

[stable stirrup]

I gtg

[clear dew]

all g

[finite sierra]

Tbh the closest argument ive seen to pokemon winning is ditto, smeargle, and mew using imprison and then transform

[clear dew]

so that was a garchomp.......

i use fossils like tokens till i can revive them

[finite sierra]

Will fossils be random if u revive em? Never done a nuzlocke

[clear dew]

in insurgence, yes, fossils are randomized

[civic wing]

Any Pokemon roms that have you traveling through multiple canon regions? Or is Infinite Fusion the only one?

Also also does anyone know of the rom where you play as Ash in the anime?

Like it's literally the anime but a game lol

Feel free to ping me

[finite sierra]

No but someone made a rom where you play as that one character from that Dorkly (yt channel) series that had the shiny Perfect Bidoof

[civic wing]

Oh that's cool

I found the Ash one! It's called Ash Gray

[coarse estuary]

once i get that bruxish the final poipole fight wont stand a chance

[coarse estuary]

there is one called pokemon fire ash. its all of the anime up to the end of master journeys so every region ash has been to

[sullen stream]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1017649556390948937/1129506336523165736/20230714_221220.jpg?width=526&height=702

shiny masuda HA mareanie :D

[civic wing]

Damn that sounds cool

[pine ingot]

Made this

[frank lily]

Finally after 6 phases.

[glass lava]

Playing Alola for the first time and never knew USUM gives you a 5IV Ditto at some point lmao just now checking its IV’s

[finite sierra]

Wait the ditto sidequest does that?

Has to be random no way

[glass lava]

Put a Ditto in PKHex, had 30 IV’s in all stats except one

I assume it ain’t coincidence lol

[finite sierra]

The heck is PKHex

[finite sierra]

Were you in the quest line where the ditto transformed into people?

[glass lava]

Yeah

[finite sierra]

Did all of em have perfect ivs?

[glass lava]

PKHex let’s you change various things with your Pokémon saves, it’s kinda popular

Just one I caught was 5IV

[finite sierra]

Did it happen to be the last one in the questline?

Cuz if not its probably just extreme luck

[glass lava]

I couldn’t tell you for sure which one it was

[finite sierra]

I got the game when i was young and i never saw a ditto in the wild - or ever - before so i just caught them all lol

[glass lava]

I’d be surprised if I lucked into this

[coarse estuary]

how can these 4 mons beat the fire trial? ( no i wont catch new mons. no i wont replace anyone on the team)

[finite sierra]

Do IVs matter for a ditto, anyway? Arent used competitively, they’re really jusy egg slaves

[finite sierra]

You can beat anyone with the power of

FRIENDSHIP

and over-levelling

[glass lava]

Can Spread IV’s to any other poke via Destiny Knot

[finite sierra]

Wuzzat

[coarse estuary]

not helpful man

[glass lava]

Destiny Knot is a held item that bumps the IV’s spread between both parents from 3 to 5

[finite sierra]

What you said that you werent changing or adding pokemon so what did you want people to say

[finite sierra]

Ah cool

Never got into the technical side of things

[coarse estuary]

something helpful. in the future if you dont want to say something helpful or be of help then just dont say anything at all

[hard plume]

excuse me while I do some research

[finite sierra]

You asked how they can beat it, i gave you an answer

Over levelling

[hard plume]

miltank is a pretty versatile 'mon

[coarse estuary]

and? i cant get any tms that are super effective on wak at this point in the game iirc

[finite sierra]

Ok if your gonna be super annoyed at any answer you get just get a better team

[hard plume]

ah ok!

BUT DON'T FRET

this is your enemy

put zorua in the front and you are golden

[coarse estuary]

just like i said if you dont have anything productive to say just shut up

[coarse estuary]

cant flame wheel ohkos

[hard plume]

....wut

flame wheel can do that??

[finite sierra]

What
No

It hits and increases speed

Of the user

[hard plume]

plus it has a power of 60

as I was saying

putting zorua as your leader can totally help you out

[coarse estuary]

thats flame charge dumb ass

[finite sierra]

Wait i thought it was salamence

[finite sierra]

Wow your really mad arent you

[hard plume]

dude knock it off

[coarse estuary]

at your dumb ass yues

[finite sierra]

Were giving you help and you ignore it

[hard plume]

flame wheel has a power of 60

....actually, what kind of moves does your zorua have?

[hard plume]

yeah.
they're ignoring you
because you gave a joke answer instead of an actual answer

and being a jerkass

[finite sierra]

I gave an actual answer underneath lol

[coarse estuary]

my zorua has leer feint attack fake tears and fury swipes. also flame wheel ohkos bc i only got 23 defence and its stab

[finite sierra]

Hey i fight toxicity with toxicity. If he doesnt like getting it, he shouldnt give it

[hard plume]

feint attack never misses

[coarse estuary]

that wont help if i get outsped and ohkoed but ill lead zorua for a few attempts and see

[hard plume]

you can always level up your guys more if you aren't confident that you will be able to beat your opponent

[coarse estuary]

i want to try a few times at this level but if after like 20 mins i still cant win i will level up a tad

[finite sierra]

Are you doing a nuzlocke or just playing normally? Cuz i just find it best to fight, die, and try more moves / pokemon

[hard plume]

then you should've just gave him the actual answer, or give the joke answer, then say jk and then the actual answer

[finite sierra]

Thats what i did

[hard plume]

you didn't say jk.

[finite sierra]

If you think i actually meant just the power of friendship thats on you

Although raising a pokemon’s frienship does help a lot

[hard plume]

not everyone can get jokes

or see things as jokes

[coarse estuary]

i think ill try leading with tank and going for my roto boosts to raise my defences

[hard plume]

btw I wanted to relay metatata's question
are you playing a regular game or a nuzlocke?

[finite sierra]

Roto xp boost gives a VERY noticeable xp buff

I got overlevelled a lot faster that way for elite 4

[coarse estuary]

regular

[hard plume]

gotcha!

I hope you complete the fire trial!

[finite sierra]

Your best option would probably just fighting and trying new moves / pokemon each time
Thats how i beat it (never used items)

[proven geyser]

surely sneasler will protect me as i walk home in a thunderstorm, yeah?

yeah, they have to, we're like besties

Pokemon Go have a heart attack

[coarse estuary]

on the winning run. turn 1 tank gets roto boosted, wak detects turn 2 tank rock tombs, tank brick breaks slaz torments turn 3 tank stomps, wak flinches and slaz poision gases turn 4 tank tombs wak kills tank with brick break. turn 5 slaz flame bursts zorua crits feint attack to kill wak. turn 6 venoshock kills. turn 7 slaz flame burst free gets roto boosted. turn 8 sleep poweder hits and slaz sleeps turn 9 z flying does 90% and slaz sleeps turn 10 gust kills

[pine ingot]

I like Pixelmon

[jade summit]

Pixelmon is cool

[pine ingot]

Yes

[clear dew]

welp, time to restart the painlocke, ill stream it incase anyone cares to watch

[surreal pelican]

I realised how much of a fucky wucky I made when I didn’t get Pokémon bank before the eShop On 3Ds closed cuz now I have no way of getting deoxys on home if trading isn’t possible. I genuinely am hoping that deoxys is available at some point in the scarlet/Violet DLC or something because I’m at a loss.

[clear dew]

oh i love randomizers lol, dude at the center normally gives you 5 balls, but now i get 5 statues that sell for 200k a piece lol

[surreal pelican]

sweet

[clear dew]

this is very sweet cause im doing what me (n the other creator) have dubbed a "painlocke"

if you care to know i can explain it

[surreal pelican]

sure

[clear dew]

randomized nuzlocke for a basic

but

[surreal pelican]

basically

I’m imagining

emerald kaizo fused with randomized Nuzlocke

[clear dew]

pp challenge, no running from wild mons, all pokemon are ??? till you register them in the dex, no tms, and if you white out, the save file gets auto deleted

one sec

[surreal pelican]

damn

[clear dew]

yeah, as the name suggests its very painful

[surreal pelican]

yep

I had a stupid idea

painlocke kaizo

[clear dew]

it really tests your pokemon knowledge of their cry and the moves they know to figure out what type they are/what mon they are

[surreal pelican]

the true hell

[clear dew]

oh dear god,

but im not sure if you can get all those ^ in kaizo

[surreal pelican]

somebody could probably code a painlocke kaizo mod for a game

ooh maybe platinum

imagine dealing with a giratina on route 1

[clear dew]

but yeah, i got very lucky with the relic statues, i have 1m poke before even picking my starter

[surreal pelican]

lucky you

[clear dew]

oh whats funny

[surreal pelican]

I might try a painlocke

[clear dew]

i dont know the starters till i lock it in

[surreal pelican]

oh damn

[clear dew]

i suggest trying it on insurgence

[surreal pelican]

hm

[clear dew]

where the "locke" was made/supposed to be played

cause all the challenges are there for you to pick

[surreal pelican]

I Never tried insurgence

[clear dew]

its quite fun

[surreal pelican]

but it sounds fun

[clear dew]

i highly reccomend

[surreal pelican]

I mean I already went through the hell of downloading IF

Took me like 4 or 5 tries

[clear dew]

tf....

[surreal pelican]

And only then I saw a convo in this server

that actually helped me

yeah I know

my dumbass brain is bad with files and crap

took like 2 hours just to download stuff on my laptop

[clear dew]

ah

laptop

[surreal pelican]

yeah

Wish I had a pc

[clear dew]

you wanna pick my starter for me?

[surreal pelican]

But at least I can play games literally in several places

[surreal pelican]

uhh

ok so I have statistics on Enie menie meinie mo so that won’t work

uhh

right is right ig

[clear dew]

right is wrong.......

[surreal pelican]

GODDAMNIT

[clear dew]

for shits n giggles, ima see what the others were

[surreal pelican]

heh

sure go for it

ok how much did I fuck up

[clear dew]

magmar and slowpoke

tbh, shit options all around

[surreal pelican]

yep

hey let’s see how this goes

[jade summit]

I half expected one of them to be an legendary

[surreal pelican]

true

[clear dew]

if i had to pick one though ida picked magamr

[clear dew]

oh thats happened to me before

[surreal pelican]

if I messed up that bad I’d hate myself for it

[clear dew]

someone had me pick randomly a butterfree

[surreal pelican]

pfft-

[clear dew]

while the other 2 were groudon and rayquaza

but, i had to pick butterfree

[jade summit]

💀

[surreal pelican]

pfft but in italics

[clear dew]

just like now, id much rather had magmar for this painlocke cause more damage moves, but i have to use corsola

[surreal pelican]

What you naming the corsola

I suggest dumbass

[clear dew]

you

pog ability though

[surreal pelican]

oh damn

I Wonder if I’ll suck

probably

[jade summit]

What game is this ?

[clear dew]

rememeber how i said it was a pp challenge?

insurgnece

[surreal pelican]

if you get a legendary name it gertson the cool

or just gertson

[clear dew]

unless i get a pp restoring item, i dont get them back, not even the pc or nurse joy will restore the moves

[surreal pelican]

DAMN

that sucks

[clear dew]

yeah

the locke isnt easy

[surreal pelican]

but I have a lot of pp (giggles in childish humor)

[clear dew]

ive probably attempted this type of locke maybe 20-30 times

completed it once

[jade summit]

Now I see why its called an painlocke

[surreal pelican]

wait you completed it

[clear dew]

and this was the team

[surreal pelican]

HOLY SH-

THATS A SICCK TEAM

[clear dew]

yeah, completed it, and btw, when i say completed it, that means AFTER the e4 rematch

a nuzlocke in this game is not over till after the e4 rematch

[surreal pelican]

HOLY CRAP)

that’s some real dedication to a run

[clear dew]

yeah

all those mons ^ had set up moves

[surreal pelican]

hope you can get some pp max because that’s like a jackpot or smthn if u get a lot of elixir or something

[clear dew]

THANKFULLY, the department store had ethers so i could restore moves

oh yeah

i forgot to mention

[surreal pelican]

thank Jesus

what

[clear dew]

with insurgence, if you pick randomizer, all ground items are random, as well at the black market and dept store

[surreal pelican]

oh damn

That’ll be sweet

[clear dew]

it also makes it so all wild mons hold an item when caught

[surreal pelican]

imagine you tried this run in Infinite fusion if it was possible

[jade summit]

I doubt it would be possible

[clear dew]

and this is just me, but when i find a fossil, if i cant revive them yet, i use them as tokens

[surreal pelican]

what

save 1 bro

[clear dew]

fossils are randomized too

[surreal pelican]

2 if you have some hope

[clear dew]

and the given eggs

im jsut gonna claim it as a token, gives me a mon now vs later, if i even make it to later

oh yeah, this is a thing btw, never fails on a shiny

[jade summit]

That nice

[surreal pelican]

If I’m alive by then and you have good Pokémon put me in a box or smthn I don’t wanna die to a stupid grass type or smthn

[clear dew]

and me being the big brain i am, i can tell you this is a swanna

[jade summit]

I'll probably gonna try this game once I'm done with the IF rando I'm gonna start soon

[clear dew]

cause defog + wing attack + resist water gun

told ya

oh those moves are glorious, high pp moves are life savers in this locke

[jade summit]

And it have spicy curry

Don't know what it do but it sound tasty

[clear dew]

its kinda meh

[jade summit]

Sound like it could be good with a pokemon with the guts ability

[clear dew]

again this locke will really test your knowledge on pokemon cries

[surreal pelican]

hey let me know if you get a legendary cuz at sometime I actually needa sleep so I stop my habit of falling asleep at 4

[clear dew]

thats wishful thinking

[surreal pelican]

I know

[clear dew]

oh yeah, trade are randomized too

[surreal pelican]

oh damn

[clear dew]

plus some trades only ask for a certain type of mon

like ill give you X if you give me a grass type

[surreal pelican]

if you get a legend from that that’s lucky as hell

[clear dew]

oh i know, thats how i got lugia in the run i beat

[surreal pelican]

Ok

Hypothetically if Necrozma Is in the game and you catch one

[clear dew]

the game is only gen 6, up to oras

[surreal pelican]

Well that sucks for me

[clear dew]

the game makers asked the community if they wanted gen 7 or more deltas

we chose deltas

[surreal pelican]

damn

cant even get necrozma or mimikyu

that sucks

[clear dew]

they weak anyway

[surreal pelican]

anyways anything new on the run so far

[clear dew]

just caught this for my fossil token, which is REALLY good

delta kirlia

[surreal pelican]

damn

you gonna evolve it?

[clear dew]

ITS MODEST TOO

[surreal pelican]

ITEM

ITEMMMMM

[jade summit]

Look like it would look cool once evolved

[clear dew]

i know

but

pp max is only good if i can restore the pp after the fact

i dont have any items atm for that

[clear dew]

im streaming this btw if you care to watch, not talking or anything, just chillin

[jade summit]

Are thing like 0/28 referring to ev or something like that ?

[surreal pelican]

where

oh

I probs wont

[clear dew]

its ev/iv

ev on left, iv on the right

[jade summit]

I see

It's cool that the game let you see it

[surreal pelican]

ok I’m watching stream

I just hate vc

[clear dew]

same, im just chilling and letting others watch if they want to

[surreal pelican]

yep

Glad to know others are on the same page

[clear dew]

this is a slakoth