other-pokemon-games

[shell steeple]

Do you guys think that a fifth move would be good for Pokémon?

I often feel like four is a little too restricting, but it's worked for so many years I can't imagine a world with less or more

[cunning parrot]

5 moves would be busted I feel like

[rain quarry]

4 sorta feels like the sweet spot yeah

[crimson cargo]

5 would absolutely destroy the current competitive scene

[shell steeple]

I don't think it would be too broken if every mon had them. Even with super meta mons like Inciniroar it just means you'll be running parting shot and low kick instead of choosing

[cunning parrot]

I think you just gave a big reason why it would be bad, because you wouldn’t have to choose between which extremely useful move you wanted, you could have both

[crimson cargo]

The coverage would make already op mons unstoppable

Or better at their job

[limber seal]

Can i get a recommendation of a fan game with a great story?

[cunning parrot]

Pretty sure no Pokemon fangame has a good story

[west needle]

yet

[fierce breach]

I like uraniums story

Except for the garlikid thing

[shell steeple]

What is the fan game where you control Pokémon and it plays kind of like Zelda?

[high shell]

Pokemon mystery dungeon?

[cunning parrot]

That's not a fangame

[shrewd furnace]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6jcoiFDOiI

[rain quarry]

Ye that one was mentioned here a little while ago, it's pretty neat, Hoenn's one of the more fun regions to explore so the open world angle works nicely

[shrewd furnace]

Yeah.

[drifting thunder]

Think I was waiting for them to add Kanto before I play that one, since it says that’s in the works

But that may be a while and it still has a lot of content so maybe I wont

[lapis swallow]

Oh it’s actually Son1cMan1a

[turbid horizon]

If the PLA style gameplay returns at some point (either integrated partly into main titles or just in more Legends games) I want them to take some stuff further

Give us even bigger Pokémon variants

If Alphas are the bigger Pokémon surrounded by smaller Mons of the same species

Give us Apex Pokémon or some shit

Which either command the respect of alphas, or are too scary for other Pokémon to approach at all

Combine this with a diving system and you could get some really awesome shit

Imagine some kraken-like Tentacruel

Or a Tyrannitar which emerges from the sand to wreak havoc which is just huge

[shrewd furnace]

Can we have smaller ones, too?
Some Pokémon are nicer bigger, but I do think some work rather nicely if they were smaller.

[rain quarry]

Let us see the runts

[turbid horizon]

Absolutely I would also love this

I want a Shetland Pony looking Mudsdale

[shrewd furnace]

I want a large but huggable Pokémon be perfect cuddle size...

[night palm]

Try Snorlax

[shrewd furnace]

Not wrong.

[night palm]

Well then

I have unfortunate news for you

[shrewd furnace]

Hm?

[night palm]

You're outta luck buster

[shrewd furnace]

What do you mean?

[heavy agate]

Bewear

[proper ravine]

KIIIIIIIIIIIIIII! (-teruguma)

[turbid horizon]

Leon should have had the opposite Legendary to you in Sword and Shield.

Him having a legendary like Zacian or Zamazenta would actually make sense for him being heralded as a super strong champion

And would actually have made him some sort of fabled hero

And the legendary plot would have been more discovering that you're Leon's counterpart

Giving Zacian and Zamazenta more time in the spotlight as well as actually being an interesting plot

Especially with the idea that, in the absence of his counterpart hero, Leon allowed himself to be manipulated by Chairman Rose, because two heroes are necessary to keep one another on the right track

Also Zacian or Zamazenta would replace Charizard as his ace

Giving him an actual fucking cool gen 8 Pokémon.

[west needle]

I feel like there are worse things wrong with Sw/Sh plot

[rain quarry]

My favourite swsh story moment is when you go to the top of Rose tower and Eternatus is just floating there

[steady reef]

digimon lookin ass

[rain quarry]

Doesn't get a cool cutscene or some sort of build up or anything, you just go there and this is what you see

Pretty sure he only gets forshadowed once near Motostoke too, and that's about it

[steady reef]

the actual cutscenes were pretty neat but that’s about all I can say

[cunning parrot]

Like Hop throwing nothing to catch a legendary

Or the slideshow of Leon and evil businessman guy

[jaunty thistle]

My favorite part is breaking into a corporate building and beating up employees because your friend's brother had a work meeting and was late buying you dinner

[turbid horizon]

I'm the same way when the chippy's late tbf

[cunning parrot]

@brazen pier?

[turbid horizon]

I'm curious about everyone's opinion on this
Because currently the state of Pokémon game remakes is sort of following the path of release, with a lot of people thinking Gen 2 remakes are next due to Soul Silver and Heart Gold releasing after gen 4

And this idea holds some decent merit, it appears to be at least loosely true, but with that in mind I'm curious as to what everyone thinks will happen once we reach gen 6?

More specifically, what will happen once we reach the start of the 3D remakes again?

Omega Rubier and Alpha Sapphirier?

Or do you think we're more likely to abandon the format and move straight onto Sun/Moon remakes and beyond?

Or maybe something else entirely?

In my personal opinion, once we've exhausted remakes by reaching gen 3 again I'd prefer we move on from remakes and start getting sequels

[rain quarry]

They'll probably just start doing like Switch remasters (or whatever console they have at that point)

[turbid horizon]

That's a possibility. Plus they may make the Legends games a staple going forward.

[deft garnet]

It's hard to tell at the moment with the state of BDSP and whether things like that will become the new norm

[rain quarry]

I'm also wondering if they'll do a 3D gsc remake or just move straight to gen 5

[turbid horizon]

Personally I feel like BDSP style may be left behind, or at least made rarer going forward

Not just because they weren't particularly well received but also because they felt kind of like a consolation prize?

To me it seemed like they were trying to satisfy people who wanted remakes when really they should have just hard focused PLA in my opinion

[deft garnet]

BDSP was a compromise, GF wanted to make Legends instead of another remake, but another remake had to be made

So nintendo hired a vfx studio to make up a quick port

[turbid horizon]

We might well see more BDSP style going forward but I think importantly it will be alongside more stuff like Legends

[rain quarry]

BDSP also made a lot of money despite how it was made so that may be incentive too

[deft garnet]

Considering how cheap it was to make, the profit margins must have been great

And that's what nintendo likes out of a pokemon game

[rain quarry]

Yeah exactly. I wouldn't be surprised if they do that again for future remakes

[turbid horizon]

So long as we get better content alongside it

Like I said I'd personally like to see sequels over remakes at some point

[rain quarry]

Same yeah

[turbid horizon]

Because it's been years since most of these games, even in the time since ORAS you could argue that a lot of stuff would change

You could do a LOT with the same region if you just allowed it to change like countries do in real life

Places like gen 5 even have areas that haven't been explored in-game

Like the anime-exclusive New Tork City

We could finally get a non-event Genesect story

[deft garnet]

if we actually get pokemon Z after so many years I'll cry

[turbid horizon]

Pokémon Z would be fucking hype

[deft garnet]

I was actually thinking about it the other day, they stopped doing 3rd versions/sequels because they didn't sell, but they probably would sell if they did those instead of remakes

a sort of best of both worlds scenario, instead of BDSP which was the worst

[turbid horizon]

Especially since they couldn't reasonably do the chibi style for Pokémon Z given that it's not reminiscent at all of the 3DS games

Can you imagine a fully open world Kalos for Pokémon Z? New megas? Areas like the power plant fully opened up

Honestly I think they'd have to do something special for gen 6 because let's be real here

They won't have the balls to do a Legends game around the Kalos war

And aside from being set like immediately after maybe?

There's nothing that would justify the Legends game not focusing around that

[deft garnet]

botw rules

the interesting big war thing already happened and you're just going about afterwards

and that's when we get the dynasty warriors prequel

[turbid horizon]

At least reveal what region they were going against honestly. I know Galar is the fan theory but honestly? It'd really help my immortal Drayden theory if they were fighting Unova

[deft garnet]

ah yes, the 100-year epic barbary wars

[turbid horizon]

I guess a war-torn Kalos could be interesting to explore to but my issue would be that it would feel weird to have any actual cool legendary stuff going on

Unless it was like Hoopa? I don't know how old Hoopa is in the lore

But like they couldn't be all "Xerneas and Yveltal have been dormant since the war... Aside from like 5 years after the war when some kid caught them for a while"

[deft garnet]

just make the big legendary Volcanion instead

[turbid horizon]

Oh yeah because that's the fan favourite people wanna see

[rain quarry]

No one in DPPT seemed to acknowledge that just 100 years ago, a child caught 2 concepts and met god ig

[deft garnet]

pokemon citizens are just kinda quirky like that

[turbid horizon]

Yeah but also the lore doesn't directly say that couldn't happen, whilst XY leans pretty heavily on "yo this has been a coccoon for a WHILE"

[deft garnet]

"Children meeting god and shaping the universe? My dog is also my stovetop, it is what it is"

[rain quarry]

I have no doubt they could bullshit their way out of that

[rain quarry]

Hair stylist be like "Oh my your Arceus is so cute!"

[turbid horizon]

Also I guess it's possible that during the switch from good to evil Team Galactic started messing with historical documents

But idk why the fuck they would

[deft garnet]

now that I think about it Galaxy is a too weird name for anything to do with 1800s frontier expansion

did they only do it for cyrus mommy

[turbid horizon]

I'm pretty sure galaxy is an old ass word, a lot of words are way older than you'd expect

[rain quarry]

At the point of that game they do have like, pokedexes ig, they probably know a lot about space

[deft garnet]

well yeah

it's latin for milky way

[turbid horizon]

Plus it's translated from whatever the fuck Sinnohan language is, like ancient Japanese or something

That and let's face it Pokémon teams are kinda pretentious

"Yeah we're refugees but we'll explore space some day, go ahead"

[rain quarry]

Pokemon teams are exclusively made of losers

[turbid horizon]

Very presumptuous about how far they were gonna get

Plus I suppose it's quite a hopeful name?

For a group of refugees, the idea that they have a team that would explore the galaxy for them would inspire something

[rain quarry]

They're gonna reach for the stars to buy rage candy bars

[turbid horizon]

I wonder if Colress is clued into Ingo

We still don't know when Ingo is actually disappearing from

So it's possible he could be absent around the time of USUM which is when we last saw Colress

What's the deal with all these fucking Americans being where and when they shouldn't

I'm hoping it's some long-term play to set up cool gen5 revisit stuff

But it could just be that the game designers like gen 5 characters

[deft garnet]

it's what we do best

[turbid horizon]

My ideal for gen 5 remakes would be as follows:

1. Separate G-Darmanitan and Regular Darmanitan's zen mode abilities
2. Make Unovan Darmanitan's zen mode convert attack boosts into special attack boosts (maybe also defense? It wouldn't matter but for lore I guess it could also convert physical defense boosts into special defense boosts)
3. Get rid of the speed nerf in zen mode what the fuck were they thinking
4. Profit

If you wanna visually explain why Unovan zen mode isn't slow, have it float with psychic energy, frankly it could use that upgrade to its appearance

[past parcel]

hmmm

[dull crow]

team inFERNo

[turbid horizon]

Honestly in hindsight there are a lot of things I don't like about the state of Pokémon in the BW era (no universal exp share, ev's and iv's were still bullshit (and are currently), etc)

But as a Pokémon game at the time I think the one thing it was really missing was legendary capture opportunities

A lot of em were events or just kinda meh picks

Other than that, I think the BW games and their sequels were genuinely really high quality

(that being said another Universal Pokémon Issue at the time which shone in gen 5 was stat balancing, Gamefreak went through a whole fucking period of just not wanting to make 80% of a generation's Pokémon any good at all)

[upper plover]

What game is that?

[finite prism]

Reborn

Top left corner for the name

[proper ravine]

hard to be seen

[echo falcon]

I just found my old ds that I thought I lost with my old copy of Black 2. The memories 😭

[olive dagger]

If only i had a working gameboy so i can play pokemon blue again

[heavy agate]

yay third member has max iq now

[fierce breach]

i honestly completely forgot calyrex was a usable pokemon outside of its steeds

makes sense though since it literally has phiones stats but 20+ hp

[pine ingot]

Is this a good Infernape team?

[turbid horizon]

Very cool of the Pokémon TCG to say fuck it to the fan made term and call shiny Pokémon Radiant

[cunning parrot]

The card game does a bunch of random nonsensical stuff

Also they’ve called them shining Pokémon in the card game before

And you can’t really call shiny a fan term since they started using it officially in gen 4

[shrewd furnace]

I thought they used it gen 5?

[cunning parrot]

Yes, but cards with codes for events in gen 4 said shiny

[drifting thunder]

Yeah radiant is its own thing in the TCG, radiants just happen to be shiny

[lime parcel]

Anyone have any suggestions for fanmade Pokémon games with new Pokémon or new forms(variants) and perhaps new abilities too. Also I have already played insurgence and uranium

[proper ravine]

Insurg- oh nvm

[olive dagger]

Pokemon tower defense is back, I remember it having shadow form pokemons

[lime parcel]

It’s not normal Pokémon though(the one with trainer battles and all)

Anyways I am thinking of playing Pokémon empyrean or infinity

[shrewd furnace]

Xenoverse.

Pokémon Xenoverse has ungodly high amounts of quality.

[orchid roost]

If you like the older games, try Pokemon Fool's Gold. It's a Crystal Hack with 300+ mons (all Gen 1 & 2, some from 3-8), all with new sprites and typings. No abilities though.

[west needle]

that background is... something

[shrewd furnace]

Oh Fool's Gold is great indeed.

While it is mentioned, I would like to also mention Gold Reforged, which adds back in all the beta content for a whole new region to explore,
as well as Orange, which is set in the Orange Islands from the anime.

[proper ravine]

"one story ends, another one begin"- MCSM narrator

[deft garnet]

Master Chief Simulador de Macarena

[west needle]

The fire part of the design looks a bit shoehorned in

[turbid horizon]

Should have had the fire twisted into the beard.

Like Blackbeard putting lit fuses in his facial hair.

[tropic ravine]

reminds me of arghonaut from smogon CAP

[heavy agate]

Ever heard of ponyta

[cunning parrot]

Ponyta’s fire is implemented as its mane and tail, that kraken above is just set on fire

[heavy agate]

its literal insides are fire

[cunning parrot]

And that also seems shoehorned in

[deft garnet]

I thought that was a tie

I agree with the beard thing

It would his his clothes, but

Why is a pokemon wearing clothes

[heavy agate]

probably because

its based on davy jones

[cunning parrot]

Throh and Sawk wear clothes, but then again they're weird

[turbid horizon]

The way I see some of the Pokémon that have clothes is

There aren't a lot of them that are less developed than cavemen

In fact I'd argue most clothes wearing Pokémon are far MORE advanced than cavemen

And techniques for making clothing have been around how long...?

They could easily have just learnt.

But the reason it seems weird is we don't picture these Pokémon forming those sorts of complicated groups

When realistically a good 50% of Pokémon (LIKELY FAR MORE) are in their stone age or further

Most of them have achieved human like sentience

[cunning parrot]

How does that explain Throh and Sawk wearing clothing that clearly wasn't just made from animal skins or leaves

[proper ravine]

Thoh, Sawk, Jynx, Machamp, Diancie, Magearna, Gardevoir, Primarina, and more

[cunning parrot]

Primarina doesn't have clothing

And Pokemon like Gardevoir where the "clothing" is just a part of their body work better

[lime parcel]

Magearna is a robot…

[heavy agate]

I want machamp with no clothes tbh

[cunning parrot]

That would just mean removing his belt since the "pants" are just black skin

[turbid horizon]

I do think Machoke would be better if they just revealed its balls, I'll agree that much.

[cunning parrot]

At least you have female Machoke topless

[deft garnet]

Most of the "clothes" wearing pokemon still look like the clothes are part of their body

That octopus isn't even trying to look like that

It can be done, the inspiration isn't an excuse

[gentle mountain]

Sir
What

[deft garnet]

What's wrong

[heavy agate]

Y’all so heated over a cool mon tho

[deft garnet]

yeah, DaveyJonesmon

[heavy agate]

team

[cunning parrot]

I see they didn’t even try to mimic the Pokémon icon artstyle

[turbid horizon]

Yeah Knuckles get their ass

You tell that fan game who's boss!

[keen citrus]

I'm currently doing an egglocke of Ultra Moon (ROM) but pokemon can have illegal abilities/moves, would people mind giving me some pokemon to add?

[turbid horizon]

I think it's actually about time we had Slowbro's evolution method changed. Slowbro should evolve when there's a shellder in the party so long as they keep the new system of confirming evolutions in a menu like in PLA. It would fuse them into one Mon, but now it wouldn't happen automatically and steal some kids shellder, it would actually make it a choice.

And what's more is this way you could actually pull a reverse and give Shellder a new split evolution line based on Slowbro shellder

Evolving a shellder with a slowpoke in the party makes it into a new evolution, evolving a slowpoke has the shellder attach to it permanently

[analog timber]

they're not keeping the PLA ANYTHING except for size differences

[turbid horizon]

Do you have a source that says they aren't keeping the way they did evolutions? Because that seems like a super minor change to be deemed an experiment

[lofty glade]

That Pokémon's talking, catch her!

[cunning parrot]

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-scratch-like-thats-ever-gonna-happen-book-gif-16284864

[heavy agate]

justice for JoltBlue on god frfr tbh

Infinite Fusion legend

[coarse estuary]

does anyonbe have a cartridge of usum that at least has acces to the pokemon move reminder? i wanna trade my marowak to get shadow bone before end game

[cunning parrot]

I do

[turbid horizon]

Straightup Emolga is an underrated pika clone

I know that's bias coming from me because I love gen 5 but compared to some of the others it's super unique

Like I don't hate Dedene but it's literally another whole mouse

Plus electric/flying is a cool typing

[heavy agate]

me when i repost stuff from a year ago because im too lazy to work

[rigid stone]

shiny turt evolve

[rigid stone]

so i found a shiny emo rat

[hot niche]

Very late to the party but finally remembered to responsed to this but for Diancie, like what others have said, it is part of the body and it could be seen as Pele's hairs, mineral wool, glass wool, or diamond powder which are all rock related materials.

[turbid horizon]

Tbh

If I was offered a Pokémon starter and it was the gen 1 starters?

I'd go into the long grass and beat a pidgey into submission myself

I'll start with a bird, I'll start with a rat, but I'm so tired of them

[cunning parrot]

Don't play XY then

[turbid horizon]

I swear Extreme Speed was 100 power

Did it get nerfed? Because I can't find anything talking about it getting weaker

But I swear it was 100 power 100 accuracy

Now it's 80

[cunning parrot]

It was always 80

[heavy agate]

^

[crisp swan]

100 would've been extremely broken lol

I mean even 80 kinda is

[shrewd furnace]

Where is this from?

[heavy agate]

I made it

[rigid stone]

oh ok

lean meowth

[drifting thunder]

how many projects are you working on? Seems like you keep posting screenshots from different ones

[drifting thunder]

anyone else ever think about how lazy the original pokemon games were in some respects? Like Lt. Surge's gym. They were just like "let's slap some garbage cans all over and call it a day".

it's amazing those games were somehow successful enough to spawn a franchise

[turbid horizon]

They could have at least made them like

A Tesla coil puzzle

In the remakes

[drifting thunder]

maybe they had something military or gun themed to go with the whole Lt. Surge theme but it got cut at the last minute or something

[cunning parrot]

Doubt it

[deft garnet]

gamefreak is not known for quality programming

it took them all they had just to cobble RG into what it was

'ummmm I guess do this puzzle?? what do we have to work with'

at the very least it's memorable

so that counts for something

[turbid horizon]

So, I have a full Pikachu Clone team for Nat Dex UU I've been using on smogon and just came up against... A VERY new player

They managed to land Thunder THREE TIMES!

On my...

Lightning rod Pichu

The worst part is it also used it's z move on me

[cunning parrot]

It’s “memorable” since they bring back gen 1 stuff constantly

[deft garnet]

That's not entirely true

Or it's not entirely fair

[cunning parrot]

The trash can puzzle was in gen 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, and 7

[deft garnet]

That's not what I'm arguing

It's memorable even among all the other gen 1 gyms

Along with, like

The invisible maze

Even GF decided it was the one worth parodying in USUM

[steady edge]

I mean, that's kinda just cuz most gen 1 gyms have literally no gimmicks at all

They're just a room layout

[turbid horizon]

My toxic trait is I make dumb gimmick teams on Pokémon showdown and then still get upset when I don't win every time

Honestly my Pikachu team is way better than I thought it would be

[turbid horizon]

Tbh

Morpeko's hunger switch should switch it between Mono Electric and Mono Dark

It would be a way more interesting Pokémon, and swapping between two vastly different types instead of having them together would make it better defensively

[cunning parrot]

Are there any Pokemon with form changes that do that?

[deft garnet]

That switch between two types using a move?

Castform, kind of

Camouflage

[cunning parrot]

I said form change, also I meant both forms are completely different types

[deft garnet]

then, castform, kind of

[cunning parrot]

True

And I wasn't counting Arceus or Silvally since I was thinking about ones that change during battle

Arceus only changes during battle in Legends when he has the legend plate

[turbid horizon]

Other than the ones mentioned I don't think so. I think it would make it more viable but not OP given that it's still quite frail

[cunning parrot]

That got me thinking about how I dislike the regional Pokemon who don't have regional prevos that share any types, the one that comes to mind is ground type Cubone turning into a fire/ghost type; it would've made more sense if Cubone was ghost or fire type

Actually, I just realized Marowak is the only one like this

The other regionals all share a type with their prevos, even the ones that don't have regional prevos like Mr. Mime

[turbid horizon]

Yeah it's just Cubone

In all fairness, I guess it's a reference to the fact it's wearing it's dead fucking mum or whatever

But you're right it's dumb

I think they should have had a mono-ghost Alolan Cubone

[mighty pier]

I do love Alolan Marowak regardless though

Ghost types are my favorite, and he shares the same type combo as my favorite Pokémon + a killer design

[mighty pier]

I think it’s like, everyone loves Emolga, but they just forget it exists

[cunning parrot]

He’s cooler than normal Marowak

[mighty pier]

Indeed

[turbid horizon]

Accurate. Never seen anyone hate Emolga. It's more that it slips your mind and then one day it pops up and it's like Yo!! Emolga's Here!!

[proper ravine]

discord bot is counted as a game, right? 😅

[proper ravine]

?

[deft garnet]

Discord light mode flashbang

[naive venture]

https://tenor.com/view/not-funny-didnt-laugh-gif-14688388

[proper ravine]

epic Gurdurr moment

[rain quarry]

This is a certified Gurdurr Moment™️

[real nest]

1 month delay, but is Steel a joke to you?

[mighty pier]

Easiest way for no weakness is electric with levitate/balloon

[fierce breach]

Oops I forgot about steel

[turbid horizon]

What the fuck happened to Nat Dex UU over night?

My Pika clone team was shredding yesterday because everyone was using frail fast heavy-hitter sets

But in 24 hours the whole mode has swapped to people using bulky slow Mons that are good against priority

I mean I know it doesn't have many players but word can't spread that fast

[cunning parrot]

That just means you’re getting unlucky with your random matchups today

By the way, can you do anything if they have a ground and rock type

[turbid horizon]

Nothing like Dragonite to put the fear of God in you when you're running a team full of electric mice, a blue rabbit and a sock puppet

[turbid horizon]

Actually surprisingly not an issue. Mimikyu and Pikablue give me decent coverage, especially with aqua jet

And push come to shove, most ground types get annihilated by Pichu

I'm not great tactically, but I'm running focus sash with endeavour, encore, endure and electric terrain (to occasionally help Alolan Raichu)

Endeavour Pichu isn't bad because it doesn't matter if you use it at level 100 for the extra speed, it's never gonna be bulky enough to not die in one hit

But today it's just Dragonite with extreme speed, choice scarves and...

god that one Quagsire

[cunning parrot]

Oh, you’re including those too, not just the actual Pikachu clones

[turbid horizon]

Yeah I found it more interesting that way, plus it's more viable.

Tried running Emolga for the ParaChu-te joke but it's not great in singles

Plus I kinda need Morpeko's rapid spin otherwise Pichu gets screwed by hazards

Thankfully not too common in the mode I'm in but common enough that it's better left checked

[proper ravine]

ghost resist poison? if no, it's not resist to poison 😅

[fierce breach]

yes ghost resists poison

[proper ravine]

oh

[cunning parrot]

For Pokémon who evolve into their final evolution with happiness it works well since you’ll be using them throughout the game and they will be decently powerful

But baby Pokémon that evolve though happiness are the worst since they are way too weak to be useful, so it’s just have them out first in battle and then switch in your usable Pokémon to actually fight; it’s basically wasting a slot

@turbid horizon How do you feel about happiness evos?

[turbid horizon]

Probably similar, at the very least the happiness requirement shouldn't be a high bar on baby Pokémon, but I don't mind it as an evolution method overall.

[turbid horizon]

Yes very hot

I loved that part when

Um

Jerma

Jerma showed his um

Boobs

And was pregnant

That was very hot

[turbid horizon]

Terastalising still looks stupid as fuck but the buff it's giving ics is just undeniable. The obvious joke is that you can change your ice type Pokémon into something useful, which is true (I'm curious about water tera-type beartic given that it's basically only viable with aqua jet)
But also, fast Pokémon can become ice types. Which is particularly scary from stuff like Lopunny that have triple axel.

[rain quarry]

Remember to keep that stuff in the #pokemon-winds-waves channel. But yeah I agree, it looks like it'll be cool gameplay-wise

[molten apex]

i got told that some of these types would break the meta if they existed. is this true? which ones would break the meta?

[olive dagger]

Ground/Fairy would come the closest since ground can get rid of the weaknesses of fairies

[turbid horizon]

A fast poison/ice type could be pretty strong too tbh

That's some damn decent coverage

[molten apex]

what would a ground/fairy pokemon even look like

a mole fairy?

[night palm]

the fairy of dirt and dust

and all things ground like

[molten apex]

so like...a pokemon dustbunny with rocks in it?

[turbid horizon]

Tbh?

Sandman theme.

I think that'd be cool.

Only thing would be-

A Sandman theme would probably involve sleep

And I don't think we need something that strong spamming sleep

[molten apex]

even darkrai fears that creature

i mean its already a fairy type so darkrai would already be scared of it

[deft garnet]

gnome

https://tenor.com/view/gnome-gnomed-youve-been-gnomed-heart-gif-25108009

[molten apex]

damn you...gnomed again

imagine getting your ass beat by a gnome pokemon

[deft garnet]

by this

[molten apex]

i have an even weirder idea. regional variant of mr mime that's a ground/fairy type.

[deft garnet]

is it mr mine

[molten apex]

it is now

good pun holy shit

[deft garnet]

there are probably a bunch of myth creatures you could steal from to make a ground/fairy

satyrs, knockers, brownies

maybe even baba yaga

[umbral egret]

dust bunnies

[deft garnet]

[shrewd furnace]

I could see a Claydol appeoach.

[rain quarry]

That'd be cool. I feel they could do something with like glowy runes and stuff

Hell, a regional claydol that's powered by like, fae magics would fit the typing

[cunning parrot]

An earth spirit maybe

[rain quarry]

Yeah, regular claydols are usually found in mountain temples and caves and stuff, so it could be like a forest fairy claydol

[molten apex]

that would actually be a pretty cool idea. I could totally see a regional variant of one with leaves and pink flowers growing on it

[cunning parrot]

Well adding that stuff would make it seem more like a grass type

[raw raft]

Man i let a shiny lapras get away in pokemon go

[rain quarry]

[turbid horizon]

I want a Pokémon Story Mode kind of in the style of the Detective Pikachu movie

[slow ferry]

Hypothetical ability: Great Guard. Double the bonuses of Resists, and double the penalties of Weaknesses.

[deft garnet]

Gamefreak puts it on a rock/dark pokemon

I think It'd be more useful if it made your offensive moves less super effective

Instead of making your weaknesses worse

Because it's really easy to not hit someone's resistence and use coverage instead

[slow ferry]

Well yes, but the premise is that it's a "worse" Wonder Guard that theoretically doesn't need quite as much pre-nerfing of its bearer to compensate.

[deft garnet]

In that case, maybe add a layer of resistence to all non-SE attacks taken

[slow ferry]

That does seem a valid way to do it, yeah.

[deft garnet]

So neutral attacks are resisted, NVE attacks are x2 resisted, etc

That sounds like a neat unique ability for a rampardos/bastiodon fusion, rename it Front Guard or Head Guard

A mon with high attack and heavy resistences but a very exploitable weakness

But maybe x6/x8 weakness to both fighting and ground is a bit much

[turbid horizon]

I'm starting Radical Red, and looking through the showdown Dex to see the changes made

Most of them are pretty great

One note.

What DIPSHIT decided to make Druddigon even slower?

HP from 77 to 90, speed from 48 to 41

It's not a nerf you'd notice probably

But who thought it needed it???

The Mega Abomasnow buff is genius though

Well, actually it's common sense

But it works so well

It gets Slush Rush over Snow Warning

Which of course, doesn't matter half a shit, because Abomasnow triggers snow warning anyway

Plus it's speed is higher to make use of it

[turbid horizon]

Okay, getting this out beforehand

Sawk on deez nuts

But the Radical Red changes to Sawk are kinda???

It gets CONTRARY as it's hidden ability

With access to close combat and Hammer arm??

And superpower

Like you could run it almost however you want

[slow ferry]

Eh, focusing down on things a 'mon is actually good at rather than trying to put up a fight it's already lost is generally best practice. The practical difference between 48 SPD and 41 SPD is pretty tiny, while the practical difference between 77 HP and 90 is a lot of things suddenly not OHKO'ing you.

[turbid horizon]

I mean sure but that doesn't justify the nerf anyway. If I had to make a guess, maybe it's so that it gets greater priority in trick room? But if it was just for the sake of keeping its base stat similar, it's already below 500 base stat total in the RR Dex

Also unrelated, and I know I'm probably late to this but I've discovered how stuff can be pre-determined in Pokémon and it's insufferable

Because I want to use saving and loading in the rom hack to not have to go through the blackout cutscene and travelling back to the gym(s)

But as a result, any planning I do has its RNG guaranteed, to the point that I find solid plans being ruined by, say, me scoring a crit when I was intending to go for fell stinger

It's a small issue, I'll probably just have to deal with blackout stuff

But it's a lot more noticeable for a harder ROM hack

[west needle]

Would be a pretty easy fix. Smh lazy programmers

[turbid horizon]

Yeah I'm not sure if it's in all Pokémon games or if it's a problem with this ROM but I don't see how it's any easier than just programming it to be completely random?

From what I can gather it's just a case of certain inputs always leading to a specific outcome which would never be noticed if you weren't resetting because said outcome would change every time you black out

[west needle]

I think it is based on inputs, yeah.

[turbid horizon]

Sounds more complicated than complete randomness imo but what do I know

[west needle]

Complete randomness is a difficult thing in computer science

[turbid horizon]

I can see how that would be the case I suppose

But I do wonder if it's just because it's based on Fire red, or if it's a feature that persists to the 3D games

[deft garnet]

From my experience with savestates, gen 3 and older had true RNG that seeded as soon as the attack/ball throw/etc starts

But since gen 4 it's had this weird fatalistic seeding system where events are predisposed to happen

Which is brought to Jojo Epitaph levels of shenanegans when attacks are seeded to crit in a certain order, and using priority moves can shift that order

[west needle]

Same with gen 8 dens

[turbid horizon]

That's even weirder then because Firered is gen 3. I guess either that was around the point the change happened, or one of the upgrades used by Radical Red leads it to use the modern system.

[deft garnet]

Radical red might do that yeah

I vaguely remember it having the updated rng unlike every other FR hack

Adding it to the list of changes I wish RR didn't do

[turbid horizon]

One of the things I like about Pokémon nerds is that

As much as the good ones try to not be too biased, most people's Pokémon knowledge has a mid-to-heavy lean towards a certain generation(s), or period of time, or simply a section of Pokémon which is their most recent interest

It's super interesting to see how people's preferences form

I dunno, obviously the games have tons of problems but one thing I can't fault them on is that people's understanding and approach to Pokémon can be wildly unique depending on something as simple as what game someone started with when they were fucking 8

You would be surprised how little I know about gen 1 and gen 3 as a Pokémon fan

[placid obsidian]

i was born before the release of pokemon

So yeah, my opinions are wild, yet unoriginal

[deft garnet]

I will provide one dolar of support if verlisify has 10 in every stat

[cunning parrot]

That’s higher than he deserves

[shrewd furnace]

You know... that could suggest neurodivergence to be common for the community.

[turbid horizon]

Oh 100%, I don't think this is news. Every third Pokémon fan you're gonna find signs of neurodivergence, it's like they orbit around Pokémon.

[shrewd furnace]

Was the creator not also neurodivergent?

[turbid horizon]

I'm not sure, I actually heard somewhere that that was a myth but it could be right

[steady edge]

I think like
A Did You Know Gaming video debunked it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuvGD5tC69o

[deft garnet]

hypothetical change

what if Heavy Metal/Light Metal also traded some Speed for Defense and vice versa

[rain quarry]

That could be interesting for Duraladon specifically

Since he gets the choice of both

[turbid horizon]

Firstly, love this, would probably be pretty niche but it would make a handful of Pokémon be able to play really differently and I like that a lot, plus from a lore perspective it could be really interesting to think about

That said, quick detour to update on my Radical Red playthrough

Steelworker Klinklang continues to be more and more terrifying. The ai is good, but there are pretty common gaps for a mono-steel setup and even with just one attack boost gear grind is devastating even without super-effective boost.

[turbid horizon]

I think a major buff to dig, dive and fly could be allowing you to target the Pokémon you want to hit after you have already burrowed, which I don't believe they currently do

This would mean nothing in single battles obviously, but would make them pretty useful in doubles for either avoiding ally-hitting attacks or simply having a useful Pokémon be absent for a turn

Certain non-flying and non-levitate Pokémon could make use of fly to dodge an ally earthquake, allowing for it to be used with more surprising pairs

Dig wouldn't allow earthquake but could be used for the more niche ally boomburst

And simultaneously, would be unlikely to get hit by earthquake in double battles due to the fact that it harms allies

(granted that last idea could be shoddy, because if they are running earthquake for whatever reason then double damage may be worth whatever their ally takes in return)

[rain quarry]

I think dig and dive would still honestly not be that useful in a double battle since they make you vulnerable to 2 moves that are very commonly used, but I could see Fly getting some mileage

[turbid horizon]

Phantom force too! Completely forgot about it

But that would be very niche

[rain quarry]

Oh yeah

[turbid horizon]

This is unrelated but what are your guys' opinions on power points?

Because honestly I think the system of upgrading them needs to be scrapped or changed to be linked to levelling up

E.g. a Pokémon of x level will have all their pp scaled to y% more than normal

Because I can, mechanically, see why they'd want it to be an upgrade system

But if you wanna be swapping your moves and stuff it's just needlessly irritating

Plus, from a casual sense, pp mostly serves as a challenge balancing between strong moves and conserving it as to not run back to nurse joy or spend much money on elixirs

So would it not make sense if it was tied to levelling, as caves and shit get longer as you get stronger?

[median bobcat]

@turbid horizon Coalossal was a Vgc menace with dynamax.
All it's rock moves became an attack that deals nearly 1/5 of your hp each turn, ignoring the damage from max moves.
Steam engine + Weakness policy was considered so strong, it was used in a Restricted format as part of an Anti Zacian playstyle and won worlds.

Remember, many gen 8 mons/mechanics were designed around dynamax existing, which is why things like Gigamax Charizard and Coalossal were meta in Vgc, while pokemon like Galarian Darmanitan, Spectrier and Dracovish were considered gimmicky at best over there.

[turbid horizon]

Not sure what specifically your point is, but I don't disagree that dynamax had some diamonds in the ruff, but G-max Coalossal is a pretty stand-out example and your other example of a good Gigantamax is Charizard. Any gimmick gets minus points for giving Char more to work with, including megas.

[median bobcat]

I was mostly refering to the logic behind giving Coalossal steam engine, when it is 4x weak to water.
It was obviously designed around Gigamax, which is why Steam Engine doesn't provide an immunity to water type attacks like one would expect.

As for dynamax, I think restricting it to 3 turns was the right call.
It is already very centralising, but as it is, it punishes recklessness, instead of being hyper offense through the roof.

At least, as long as Legendaries do not abuse it. Then it is just a richer get richer scenario.

[turbid horizon]

I mean sure? But it feels like the obvious answer there is just not giving it an overpowered G-max move. Because now that gen 8, which is a drop in the ocean compared to the franchise as a whole, is done, Coalossal is unlikely to see any worth ever again. I would argue designing Pokémon for a gimmick is a bad plan compared to designing a gimmick that benefits existing Pokémon.

[rigid stone]

pokemon sh/sw pokedex entries are cool

[turbid horizon]

Honestly I saw people talking about Pikachu's original game cry

I think it would be cool if they gave every Pokémon a game cry and an anime "name" cry

And the name cry was a rare variant, like an audio shiny

[proper ravine]

and people will begin hunting for both visual and audio shiny in one pokémon

[deft garnet]

Cursed purple cofagrigus that takes your ability and calls you a slur

[turbid horizon]

You fool, Cofagrigus' audio shiny would be a low quality mp3 of an old man with a chest infection

[cunning parrot]

I think it would be a guy yelling it’s time to duel

[deft garnet]

How different would Minior be if it lost its Rock type when it loses shield?

I guess it's still a rockish thing

[turbid horizon]

I could see it possibly being a buff so long as it gained a different type from doing so

Fairy or fire being the obvious choices

[deft garnet]

Ice

[turbid horizon]

Different type for each colour

[deft garnet]

That would be insane

[turbid horizon]

Open up your fruity minior surprise egg and cry as you lose the Russian roulette and it sweeps your team

[cunning parrot]

What about shiny Minior though?

[turbid horizon]

??? Type

[shrewd furnace]

They actually keep an assigned color, you just can't see it in battle.

[rigid stone]

snorlax needs more love

[rain quarry]

He got a special Z-move and a Gmax

Any more love and you guys will start giving him the Charizard treatment

[rigid stone]

i forgot about z moves

[rain quarry]

I would say to give Slaking the love instead but I'm not sure how that could happen given his whole deal of being OP without Truant

[rigid stone]

i was going to say beedrill but they got a mega thats super fast

[turbid horizon]

Radical Red lets him use slack off on truant turns. Apparently it's pretty strong sounding, but given that it would still force you to not attack at opportune times I could see it being alright for the actual games

But I think the caviat there is that Radical Red buffs a TON of Pokémon so like

Comparing the effect slack off slaking has there to its possible effect on the current main games is hard to do

[cunning parrot]

They should make slow start double the defenses also

[rigid stone]

we need more legendary megas

[rain quarry]

I really don't get why they did Regigigas like that

It's not like he's super broken without Slow Start

[cunning parrot]

I understand the lore reason, but after that they kept him terrible

[turbid horizon]

Moreover, have that be represented in the design. Have "slow start" Regigigas he unresponsive, maybe even sort of stuck to the floor covered in rock, iron ore, ice and overgrown moss

Once slow start ends, play an animation of it breaking free

Suddenly it's moving about, eyes are blinking more, it's alert

[rain quarry]

Have him covered in.... dragon, too

[cunning parrot]

What?

[rain quarry]

Because he mentioned the regi trio's elements being in his design but since Regidrago exists, it's kinda humourous that there's not really an equivelant

[cunning parrot]

Also Regieleki

[rain quarry]

Yeah

[turbid horizon]

Tbh they should have done a third one for Regidrago and eleki and had another Regigigas imo. Multiple Regigigas working together to pull the region's into place is homes cooler to me?

[rigid stone]

powerlines

[turbid horizon]

Regidrago and Eleki would be hard to include in my idea but if they desperately had to I'd go with Chargestone Cave-looking rocks ig

[cunning parrot]

Also Regigigas has those 6 gems with the 3 colors of the trio golems

[rigid stone]

eleki is powerlines

[cunning parrot]

That’s a modern invention though

[rain quarry]

It'd look weird if Regigigas was covered in modern stuff yeah

[turbid horizon]

Exactly, its design can't be updated to fit them and definitely implies they were at least a later creation than the original trio. Which, without being explained, feels kinda out of place?

So I would have had another gigas with another trio

[rain quarry]

They're totally out of place

[rigid stone]

thunderclouds

[cunning parrot]

Also their names could be better

[cunning parrot]

That makes no sense, just little thunderclouds hanging around a golem somehow makes him weaker

[turbid horizon]

Because I don't hate the new Regis, I just think had they done a second trio with a new gigas it would have expanded the lore and would have been majorly hype for a generation with pretty disappointing legendaries.

[rain quarry]

I don't hate them either but they do feel tacted on

[rigid stone]

no the thunderclouds are zapping him

[turbid horizon]

Frankly I think the reason they didn't was because Sword and Shield cheaped out on legendary stuff. A new regi trio/gigas would require a cool new puzzle to be done right, and like hell they'd expend that much effort

[cunning parrot]

That still is completely different from stuff growing on him and covering him

[rigid stone]

we need a regi of every type

[cunning parrot]

It’s also weird that you could only catch either Regieleki and Regidrago in one game, not both

[turbid horizon]

Actually expanding on the him being covered idea, it should also be an indicator of the countdown. It should lose one of the elements for each turn it's slow start ticks down. Ice, then rock, then steel.

Which I believe is actually less turns than it takes to awaken from slow start but frankly even with the defense boost, the time it takes should just be lowered.

[cunning parrot]

Electric and dragon are still really weird types to make golems of

The others were natural physical stuff you could mold easily, electricity is not that and dragons are a type of animal

[turbid horizon]

They should have had a Fairy or Psychic type golem alongside them. They would have been energy golems as opposed to material golems.

With the energy gigas, who could have contrasted gigas prime by being a special attacker

[cunning parrot]

And a special attacker leader

[turbid horizon]

Great minds think alike

Energy gigas would probably be ghost too I suppose

Feels most fitting for the idea

[rigid stone]

a regi made of clouds could be cool

[turbid horizon]

Actually...

We've got solid Regis

We've got the idea for energy Regis

Flying, poison and something else could make gas Regis

[rain quarry]

Lol, I remember Insurgence had melted Regis

[turbid horizon]

And we could have liquid Regis as well

[turbid horizon]

Pretty cool tbh but I never got that far

[rigid stone]

water ground and fire

[rain quarry]

Regirock was Ground and made of sand, Registeel was fire and made of lava, and Regice was water yeah

[turbid horizon]

Also I resent magma/lava Pokémon being exclusively fire

Avatar rules, people

[rain quarry]

I mean, Magcargo, Camerupt, and Groudon are all earth element pokemon too

[turbid horizon]

Exactly, that's why they work

We haven't got a non-rock or ground magma or lava Pokémon as far as I'm aware

I just mean I prefer my "molten" concepts to be fire/whatever is melted

[rigid stone]

slugma

[rain quarry]

Heatran ig but he is Steel

[rigid stone]

magcargo

[rain quarry]

Magcargo is rock

[turbid horizon]

I guess Slugma gets a pass because it's also a slug but it's on thin ice

Which is a bad position to be in when you're that hot

[rigid stone]

and lava

[rain quarry]

What we meant was that most of the lava themed pokemon have an earthen type as well (Ground, Rock and Steel). Slugma is the only one I think that doesn't and even then he evolves into a rock type

[turbid horizon]

It's late so I'm gonna pass out but I've gotta add

Fairy Regi would either fit into the gas trio idea, as perfume/sweet scent

Or into the liquid trio idea, as ichor

Because ain't that fun to say?

Anyways, peace

[rigid stone]

you know what could be cool

acid regi as poison

[deft garnet]

The regis all represent 'ages' in history, I'd put a poison regi as radioactive to embody the atomic age

[slow ferry]

Fire Regi is just straight lava to represent that point when Earth's crust hadn't solidified yet.

[cunning parrot]

Pokémon Insurgence delta golems

[rigid stone]

a ground type regi would be a phinx

[cunning parrot]

You mean a sphinx?

[rigid stone]

yeah

[rain quarry]

A dark regi could have some sort of medieval theme to represent the Dark Ages maybe, and a Psychic one could represent a hypothetical "Space Age" sorta thing perhaps

[rigid stone]

a fighting type would look like a sword and shield for the medieval ages

[rain quarry]

That could work too

[deft garnet]

I'd say bronze age would work for fighting

Antiquity, sparta-type

Not step on dark age's toes

[rain quarry]

Yeah that would probably work

Flying could be like a renassance era one maybe, where it's a flying machine golem

[deft garnet]

Water, age of exploration or age of steam

[rain quarry]

I wonder how he'd look

[rigid stone]

or a fire type one of burning coal

[slow ferry]

I like Dark Type for Space Age more than Dark Age, partly because one of these things actually existed.

[deft garnet]

edgy

[turbid horizon]

Bug type should resist dark and be super effective to electric

Because show me one bug struggle in darkness

And the electric thing because heehoo funny computer bug joke

And before any of you come at me with "What about fly zappers 🤓" if I stuck a few cockroaches in your laptop it'd be just as fucked up

[deft garnet]

what if I stuck a bird in your pc tower

or dumped water on it

[turbid horizon]

I dunno, most airplanes are made of metal and birds fuck them up good and plenty

[deft garnet]

so we both agree the justification is bad either way

elec should have another weakness though

[turbid horizon]

Not really, logic can be tweaked to fit balance

I would argue bugs could do more damage to all electronics than all electronics could do damage to bugs anyway

I'm saying like bugs Vs devices irl we know which side is coming out on top

Ants reproduce a hell of a lot faster than iPhones

[deft garnet]

but how many electric types are electronics

[turbid horizon]

Pikachu would be overrun and fucking consumed by wasps and you know it

Plus if we're just going off the concept of electricity hot take but I still think bugs take that

[deft garnet]

not if it zapped em all

[turbid horizon]

If you put VERY bug in a storm cloud?

They're destroying that storm cloud guaranteed

I stand by it as a good weakness for electric, especially when the other weakness is the ultra-common ground type

[deft garnet]

what if water and elec were just weak to eachother

[turbid horizon]

Alongside immunity to dark, it wouldn't make bug overpowered, but it's sudden boost against two SUPER good types would make it a great type

[deft garnet]

yeah I can agree to that

there's just no flavor justification for bug being strong to elec that can't be countered by something more logical

[turbid horizon]

Eh, both are in pretty good spots, I don't see it being super good a change because it'd just bring more Outspeeding Battles into play, which electric would mostly win anyway

Another change that could make bug really good would be immunity to sticky web but I don't really like that

Because like

Webs famously kill bugs

It's what they evolved for

[deft garnet]

introducing spider type

[turbid horizon]

Spider-type, Spider-type

Does whatever a Spider-type does

[deft garnet]

dangerous hypothetical, the introduction of 'tertiary' types in addition to primary and secondary, don't have any moves to themselves but act sort of like species-based abilities

you could cram sound and light in there

[turbid horizon]

I could see it working well, sort of a Category system

I've actually talked about something similar before with sound types like you said

Because to me, it's ridiculous sound Pokémon don't get some sort of stab with sound moves

[deft garnet]

unless they use up an ability slot

[turbid horizon]

Exactly

It majorly weakens certain Pokémon because they get constrained to punk rock or soundproof

A category system could easily remedy issues like that

Unrelated

But I wanna see a regional (ideally future form but :/ not happening ig) Duraladon

Rock/Grass or something similar

Taking the term "concrete jungle" literally

It would be found in an overgrown apocalypse aesthetic city

[deft garnet]

he could be more like an amazon ant too

egh I shouldn't have looked up images

I have a habit of making spreadsheets for weird pokemon concepts so I could try to make that up

for the categories thing

[turbid horizon]

Showdown really needs to work on its random modes

Because like, single battles are fine

But random doubles should really be randomised into like

Pairs?

As in randomise pairs or more of complimentary Pokémon

Because as it stands your fate is sealed in the first turn

[deft garnet]

like candyland

[deft garnet]

for a casual playthough? I'd say dmax

increasing speed is way more generally useful than clearing barriers outside of comp

I wish they just had a, like

a little button to push in the summary screen that turns on or off gmax moves

[turbid horizon]

Honestly I regard bw sprites as some of the best artwork in the games as do many others but it did have its failings. Maybe it's just personal preference about Blastoise's design as a whole but BW Blastoise looks fucking lame

I think the first starters lost a lot of the actual charm in their appearance one they left gen 1 sprites behind

Original R/G/B/Y Blastoise looks like he'll fuck you up

[deft garnet]

seems part of the overall loss of attitude pokemon had around gens 3-4

[turbid horizon]

I think that's fair

Like I said, gen 5 best art style imo but the dip in character is clear and I guess it's because they got into the animating of sprites?

Like Blastoise's original pose would have been impossible to animate in that way because it was almost a top-down with him looking up?

But they still could have done better

[deft garnet]

weird take from me I never was the biggest fan of gen 5's animated sprites

they're all just kinda

wiggling around

doing random motions and opening their mouths like they're animatronics

[turbid horizon]

The animations certainly aren't the best, no

Which is a shame because I think a lot can be done with sprite animation that can't be done in 3D, or at least would look different in 3D

Porygon Z, for example, I've stated I would like to glitch. Not just wig out like it currently does, I want it to look like a Bethesda game

But that glitching would be way more nostalgic with gen 5 sprites because as cool as it would look glitching now, it's just a whole different aesthetic

[placid obsidian]

pokemon infinity, fighting mono, just after the 2nd gym

[rain quarry]

Boulder and Halberd would be fakemon/fan regionals right?

Looks like one of them's Azumarill atleast

[jovial cosmos]

And I think Braviary maybe for the Halberd? 😮

Fearow, apparently. 😮

And yeah, Azumarill. 🙂

[rain quarry]

That Fearow one's awesome

[jovial cosmos]

Never played it, just browsing the wiki.

It's great, doesn't feel very Fearow to me though without the head crest. 😅

Looks almost more like the beta Farfetch'd evolution. 😮

[rain quarry]

Oh yeah, I like that one

I like when bird wings are drawn like that

[jovial cosmos]

Me too, feels very Gen I. 😄

THE LOTAD LINE HAVE PANS INSTEAD OF LILYPADS. ❤️

[rain quarry]

Lol, that's pretty cool

My god

You better hope your pokemon is faster here

[jovial cosmos]

I saw that, genuinely terrifying. 😂

They did a regional evolution for Noctowl too, Grimfowl. 😄

[rain quarry]

That looks awesome

[jovial cosmos]

Muk got one too, Oozma. 😄

And Gloom got 2 new evolutions.

Viledoom and Mortossum. 😅

[rain quarry]

Liking the death theme

[deft garnet]

it's so sad giovanni died of oozma

[jovial cosmos]

Eeveelutions galore. 😮

[rain quarry]

Oozma doesn't really look like a muk evo nor a pokemon in general but that is a cool sprite atleast

Even the ??? eeveelution

[jovial cosmos]

Some normal evolutions too, like Sunflorid. Could have done with a better name, but the Gen VIII evolutions all had lazy names except Kleavor and Cursola (which was still lazy, but an actual pun at least, and a good one), really. 😅

Dark/Fairy Mightyena evolution. 😮

[rain quarry]

Those are both pretty cool

I get it, because its a werewolf and fairy is moon magic

[jovial cosmos]

DELIBIRD EVOLVES! ❤️

I might have to check this game out. 😮

All the other evolutions. 😮

The weirdest ones here are Nidorook which is still Poison/Ground but evolves from both Nidorina and Nidorino, Kantonian Persian becoming Fairy/Dark, and Marowak becoming Normal/Ground (with Ground as the secondary type despite Cubone and Marowak not being retyped). 😮

[deft garnet]

Ursaluna's ground/normal so it's not impossible

[finite prism]

But teddiursa and ursaring are normal

So it gains the ground

Not the normal

[deft garnet]

I'm saying it's ground/normal, with normal as the secondary type

[rain quarry]

I think he means how does it gain normal as a typing, logically speaking

[deft garnet]

So bigwak being normal/ground with ground as the secondary isn't like, something that will never happen in the games

Oh it's just because he's kangaskhan now

[rain quarry]

Oh yeah, I guess I can see that

Though retroactively that makes it not having the normal type before weird

Like what does that imply for the baby kangaskahn, it has no type at all?

[jovial cosmos]

I had to check to see if you're right, and you are. I hate that, a lot. 😅

But yes, gaining Normal is really weird in general. I'd personally like to retype a lot of Pokémon to be part Normal (mostly Phanpy's line, Electrike's line and Rockruff and Lycanroc Midday, with Midnight gaining Dark and Dusk something else, maybe Fire). They could have just retyped Cubone and Marowak. 😮

[deft garnet]

Don't give any rock types normal

[rain quarry]

From a gameplay perspective both of those types on the Lycanrocs will probably make them worse yeah

[deft garnet]

Especially dark roc, a mon themed on taking hits shouldn't be tied for the most weaknesses in the game

[jovial cosmos]

Oh I don't care about gameplay at all. They're just dogs though. 😂

[rain quarry]

I like the funny red werewolf

[deft garnet]

If you don't care then be quiet and just look at the funny dogs

https://tenor.com/view/happy-rockruff-bark-cute-pokemon-gif-16420672

Though I do wish lurantis was part bug even though it would make it worse

Just because it would give it something different from tsareena

[rain quarry]

There is a reason for it not being bug linked to its design

[deft garnet]

Yeah but

It's just a slow physical grass type outclassed by another one in every way

Make it fairy or something just so they can be different somehow

[rain quarry]

I imagine the bug typing's not gonna solve that. If they made Tsareena a grass/fighting type that'd be ok. Its abilities, stats and movepool are different enough from Breloom that it could be fine maybe

[deft garnet]

If it were bug it could at least beat up tsareena

[jovial cosmos]

Let's face it, mono Grass-types are really boring and we have too many of them. Same with Electric-types. 😦

How many three-stage lines with mono Electric-types do we need? 😅

[deft garnet]

Like there's the thing right, it wouldn't need to be too different from breloom because breloom isn't found in alola

[jovial cosmos]

Even then, Breloom has Spore and Technician, so it's carved out niches that I don't think Tsareena has. 🙂

[deft garnet]

There's another thing, they went out of their way to make Decidueye grass/ghost when grass/flying is a unique type in alola with no other good mons in general

[tropic ravine]

where do you get the pokeradar in v5?

[deft garnet]

When they also brought in every grass/ghost mon to be in alola, and invented a new one

[rain quarry]

Wrong channel, but I'm pretty sure it's the same spot as v4.9 right

[rain quarry]

Dhelmise really does get the short end of the stick

[tropic ravine]

shit sorry i forgor what channel i was in

[rain quarry]

No problem

There's probably a decent amount of pokemon fans who don't even know that Dhelmise exists at all

You see him once in the elite four and that's about it

[jovial cosmos]

Dhelmise is one of the most forgettable Pokémon of all time. It's the new Stantler/Basculin now that they have evolutions. 😅

[rain quarry]

I love Dhelmise but the games hid him way too well

[deft garnet]

I can remember him just for his funny ability

[jovial cosmos]

A lot of the Alolan standalones were just too hard to obtain. It's like how quite a lot of people think Skarmory and Slugma are from Gen III because they were just too inaccessible in Gen II for people to even encounter them. 😮

[deft garnet]

bruxish is the no-remember gen 7 pokemon for me

[jovial cosmos]

Rare Pokémon are good, but when like a quarter of the 80+ Gen VII Pokémon are rare standalones, it makes them seem a lot less special and a lot more tedious. 😦

[deft garnet]

hold on I made a thing based on what a friend said like 5 years ago

never mind I forgot what I saved it as

lost forever

[rain quarry]

A pokemon I've always wanted to be dual-typed was Druddigon, being Dragon/Rock

[compact junco]

Wait is it just pure dragon?

[rain quarry]

Yeah

[compact junco]

Wack

[rain quarry]

It's kinda sad since there's a better pure dragon type you can catch around the same sorta point in that game's progression

But yeah, Druddigon's dex entries and origin give it the Gargoyle theme so rock could've worked

[turbid horizon]

Ehhh I'm mixed

Love Druddigon, and part of its appeal to me is it being like

The Most Basic Dragon

Like I look at it, go "that sure is a dragon." And that's that

Buuuuut

I'd warm up to dragon/rock Druddigon if it got accelrock

[rain quarry]

I guess that's fair. It's not the worst thing in the world that it's just mono dragon

[turbid horizon]

I mean my preference for it being mono dragon is mostly the aesthetic of it being basic which isn't the best excuse, and could still be kept a theme if it was dragon/rock

I could actually see it gaining some ground if we combined ideas, because I've been saying it should get Simple as an ability in honour of its basic-ness

If it got Dragon/Rock and Simple, and had Bulk Up with Accelrock added to its moveset it could be scary, especially since it already gets sucker punch

It'd be a big change though I guess

[rain quarry]

Yeah true. Honestly I'd just like a proper gargoyle pokemon and I'd be happy

[turbid horizon]

If it's speed was high enough to make use of it, it could have a gargoyle-based ability "Petrifying"

(yes I'm aware Gargoyles don't turn people to stone but hear me out)

It'd lower the opponent's speed stat on switch-in

And Petrifying in this case would sort of just be a synonym for scary or intimidating, hence the speed drop, but would also be a nod to Gargoyles being made out of stone

[rain quarry]

These are things that honestly would work better on just a new Gargoyle pokemon

Nice Rock/Flying dude with cool curved horns and a scary demon face, I'd like that

[turbid horizon]

Kalos was the opportunity tbh

I would like to see a new rock/flying type though, always kinda fucking loved aerodactyl

[rain quarry]

Ye

I loved him too

[deft garnet]

Scary Face in a can

[jovial cosmos]

I agree. A Mega or evolution that goes all out with the gargoyle theme would be great. 😄

[rain quarry]

Ye, a mega would've been nice

[jovial cosmos]

Leaked image of the SV Druddigon evolution.

[rain quarry]

Man.

[jovial cosmos]

Goliath. 😄

[steady reef]

omg why didn't you spoiler tag it

[turbid horizon]

Wasn't one of those motherfuckers in the Ducktales reboot

[rain quarry]

It is a disney cartoon that used to run in the same block as Ducktales, so it wouldn't be surprising

[turbid horizon]

I think one of the actors came back as like a horse gargoyle

[deft garnet]

I updated this recently

[rain quarry]

Grimmsnarl and Toxtricity are in the same spots on mine too

Nice selection of dudes

These would be my dudes

[deft garnet]

look at this cool guys club

red ribbons all around in here

[proper ravine]

and this is mine, only @olive dagger who asked 🗿

Blaziken

[rain quarry]

Pretty cool. I see Mawile a lot with these charts, that's pretty cool, I like Mawile a lot too

[deft garnet]

mawile is cute!

cute!!

I'd have Luxio on this chart somewhere if tox and a-muk didn't take priority

or I could put pangoro in fighting and shuffle them that way

but conk, a-muk and cloyster were my bros

[rain quarry]

Lol, yeah it's tough to try and fit all of them in. I would've got Aegislash in there but Bisharp and Dusknoir took his spot

[pine ingot]

Damn now i want to make one of these

[rain quarry]

https://www.cpokemon.com/seccion/herramientas/tipos/en/

[proper ravine]

Anothr one 🗿

[rain quarry]

Interesting. I actually like Goomy and Sligoo a lot, but Goodra is one of my least favourites

[deft garnet]

don't bully weedle

don't bully a lot of these honestly

most pokemon don't deserve hate

DON'T bully by boy conk

bullying gurrdurr is okay

[rain quarry]

There's not a lot of pokemon I hate tbh

[deft garnet]

i hate uhh

garchomp, smeargle, necrozma, eternatus, aromatisse, bruxish, tsareena

grapploct

[rain quarry]

Inteleon, Cinderace, Lopunny, Goodra, Crabominable and Keldeo are my least favourites probably

[deft garnet]

I can't hate crabominable he's suffered enough

oh, zeraora

[rain quarry]

Zeraora's pretty bad yeah

Don't like Lucario either

[turbid horizon]

You keep Conkeldurr's name out of your MOUTH

[rain quarry]

He didn't say his name

[turbid horizon]

If my Pokémon doesn't look like it could drive an Uber what's the POINT

[deft garnet]

conk absolutely drives a semi

[rain quarry]

I think that's part of his design right, he's a construction worker

[turbid horizon]

Ubers would either feel 100% safer or 100% less safe if they were all semi truck drivers

[deft garnet]

Conkeldurr is Forklift Certified

[turbid horizon]

Because either you'd get like the classic horror movie truck driver or you'd get Dale McBucket, who's dog rides shotgun

[deft garnet]

or that one trucker on tiktok who has 3 kittens

[pine ingot]

Oh my god

I am about to drop a cringe bomb

These are the most popular opinions someone could come up with but this is what it think

[rain quarry]

I think it's a solid selection

[deft garnet]

oh right, charizard!

[rain quarry]

Hydreigon's my favourite pseudo

[deft garnet]

I hate charizard!

[pine ingot]

Charizard got done dirty

[deft garnet]

fair

half the pokemon I hate are mostly just because of what they represent

[pine ingot]

He didn't receive a new gmax form

[deft garnet]

at least pikachu is a gimmicky glass cannon

[pine ingot]

I like him but his 3d model kinda ruined him for me, still like him a lot in gen 5 though

[rain quarry]

I can't hate Charizard, I can only judge a pokemon based on its design and not what Gamefreak does to it

And I like the funny orange non-dragon

[deft garnet]

judging by your hatelist I'd say it's more what everyone else does to them

[pine ingot]

I think my favourite overall is dragapult

Adorable, amazing in showdown, creative and cool design

[rain quarry]

Oh do you mean r34 stuff?

I actually don't care about that sorta thing either

It's just sorta coincidental that it lines up thst way

[pine ingot]

I kinda started to hate magicarp but for the sole reason of him being in every single fishing spot

[night palm]

Gawrsh

[rain quarry]

That's a valid reason

[pine ingot]

Water type is the biggest type and for no reason whatsoever they decide to still put magicarp everywhere

[deft garnet]

oh right!

Basculin!

I hate basculin too!

[pine ingot]

God i forgot to put basculegion on the list

[rain quarry]

Basculin redeemed himself to me with PLA now

[deft garnet]

hey screw you basculegion is yeah, basculin's saving grace

[pine ingot]

why would you hate basculegion?

He is perfect

[deft garnet]

oh you meant

your like list

[pine ingot]

Yes

[deft garnet]

sorry we were talking about dislikes so much I forgot

[pine ingot]

He is amazing

[rain quarry]

Basculin's main problem was that it was an afterthought, and it just kinda felt unfinished. Basculegion to me retroactively makes me no longer dislike it because knowing that there is a big ghost fish somewhere in there is good enough for me

[deft garnet]

It was an afterthought, it was everywhere and it was annoying as hell to fight

[pine ingot]

Get gud

[deft garnet]

Like magikarp won't hurt you, but basculin will kill itself just to damage you as much as possible

Speaking of annoying to fight

[pine ingot]

THe golden one is awesome

[deft garnet]

I forgot about my #1 least favorite

Greedent

[rain quarry]

Peter Griffin

[pine ingot]

pfff

[deft garnet]

Just a total asshole

[pine ingot]

The real asshole is clefairy in strategy

[deft garnet]

Made getting berries in swsh the worst thing

Swsh berries were already really bad!

[pine ingot]

Also people that play clefairy and blissey in smogon are the biggest bastards ever

[pine ingot]

wait why?

[deft garnet]

I hate having to gamble for crap

Like 'ooooo do you want more? He might GET you and you'll lose everything!"

[rain quarry]

I don't like Greedent because he just looks bad

[deft garnet]

And then if you fight him he's a minmaxed HP sponge with counter, just to rub it in

[pine ingot]

same

[deft garnet]

I can like a big silly guy I like diggersby I got nothin against how he looks

I enjoy being able to call him the peter griffin squirrel

But what I don't enjoy is my LIFE whenever he is in it

[cunning parrot]

I think his face looks too weird, not sure exactly why it bothers me though

[rain quarry]

One of the weirdest pokemon faces to me is Binacle's

[cunning parrot]

Which one?

[rain quarry]

Lol, well you got me there

Both of them

[deft garnet]

I can see that

He looks kinda disingenuous

Like a branding mascot animal

Like he's not your friend, he's just pretending so you can lose money

[raw raft]

guess i'll show mine

[deft garnet]

oh right!

nebby!

I hate nebby!

[raw raft]

i love nebby

[deft garnet]

well you sure see a frickin lot of him

[raw raft]

yes!

[deft garnet]

just, watching him

pressing the a button every 3 or so seconds

twice a day for 15 minutes

[pine ingot]

Nebby 🤮

[rain quarry]

Nice list, lotta small dudes, pretty cool

[raw raft]

yes

[turbid horizon]

Way late to this but

I'm fully aware they're mostly gen 5ers, what can I say? I'm a design man

Honestly Bug could be swapped with Genesect but I love Buzzwole's design a lot

[leaden kestrel]

foreskin bug nice

[turbid horizon]

Rock was hard? Part of me wanted to put Gigalith but it does lose a lot of charm by being fucking useless

Kinda wanted to put Tyranitar too but Minior is one of those ones that I've just

Never used in a playthrough

But it's a good design, and fun to use with a neat typing

Not sure how I feel about Ice in hindsight but Eiscue is cute and I like Belly Drum users

There are a bunch I could swap Turtonator for but imo it's super underrated

Water is self explanatory, embrace crustacean

Crawdaunt? Kingler? Be Crab and Commit Assault

[leaden kestrel]

redid this for the 4th time or smth

[pine ingot]

good taste overall

Everything looks clean/self explanatory

[leaden kestrel]

there are more bugs in this than i'd have liked

there really be no gen 7 mons

[night palm]

Scrafty in fighting

Based

[turbid horizon]

You know it

My boy was spamming swap intimidate and fake-out BEFORE it was the bane of everyone's existence

[night palm]

Les go

[turbid horizon]

He tripped so Incineroar could walk menacingly

Plus I seem to have an attraction to the niche of non-dragons with dragon-dance

I don't know what it is, I guess it's just the like

Acknowledgement that they're cool enough for dragon dance

[turbid horizon]

I get that some people can be assholes but I feel like people are too defensive over their favourite Pokémon games. There are obvious groups like genwunners that are insufferable but honestly I find some Sword and Shield fans to be pretty toxic when challenged as well?

I mean I get not wanting to elaborate if you don't wanna but obviously people are gonna question you if you call them the best games or something. You don't have to give them an answer, but you can't really pretend their surprise at or denial of that statement is unfair because Sword and Shield famously cheaped out on some pretty major areas, and were the first games to include a massively overpriced DLC

That's not to say there's a game that can't be questioned if you call it the best, I love gen 5 and could easily see them being the top mainline games but honestly when I replay them there are a lot of non-story aspects I find super abrasive

[deft garnet]

i used to know someone who refused to believe that swsh was rushed or unfinished

[turbid horizon]

Key word being used to, they were assimilated into the Nintendorb

If you aren't critical enough of Nintendo and Gamefreak you will be absorbed