fusions

[indigo roost]

moxie is salamences HA

[fluid karma]

Oh

[indigo roost]

also his name right now is Babat

[fringe spruce]

Nice lol

[slim marsh]

This is true, leech life moxie isn't bad

Plus Salamence gives Crobat some good attacking moves that aren't brave bird

[fringe spruce]

I feel that it's balanced and can be fun

[fluid karma]

Leech life is the weak version in this game

[slim marsh]

Ah damn

[fringe spruce]

Dammit

[hidden bison]

How do you Delete your Save file in Pokemon infinite fusion

[fluid karma]

You start a new file and then save over your old one

[hidden bison]

that mess up the game

[fluid karma]

Wrong channel anyways

[slim marsh]

Okay this one isn't as good solo but given that it has contrary Close combat, sticky web and baton pass it could easily set up your sweeper

Another case of bad because there's no competitive but would probably be a pain in the ass in a competitive scene

[fringe spruce]

Yeah I can see that

[slim marsh]

Ooh okay here's one with a custom sprite

[fluid karma]

Try Chansey/Shuckle

[slim marsh]

Some of the others may have better defense stats but that typing is excellent for its purpose

[slim marsh]

I've seen the Blissey line with Shuckle, I was focusing more on the contrary aspect, but I'll grab a screenshot for comparison

Frankly I think they may be worse overall than contrary combat? Especially on the lucario which is only weak against fire?

[fringe spruce]

Yeah

[slim marsh]

That being said the eviolite would make the Chansey one around 188 defense and 175 special defense

And the health is certainly better

Considerably so

[fringe spruce]

Yeah

[slim marsh]

Hang on, had an idea

[fringe spruce]

I was going to say the eviolite is in this game

[granite blaze]

The best chansey fusion is Chansey/Dusclops, that thing can take on anything

[slim marsh]

The aegislash line also learns close combat

But I was banking on the good one being bug/steel

[fringe spruce]

Sacred Sword

Is also part of the aegislash line

[slim marsh]

Sadly these typings aren't better

But the one on the right has a custom sprite, the one on the left has 101 attack

Which is a great attack stat for contrary Close combat

[fringe spruce]

Shuckle is a very blursed Pokémon

Amazing stats, bad type

[slim marsh]

It's health is what's dragging the Mons down here

[fringe spruce]

Yeah I just saw thay

That

[fluid karma]

Now show Arceus

[slim marsh]

The rock weakness ain't optimal but that's another option for cc

[fluid karma]

That’s not Arceus

[slim marsh]

Great sprite but sadly probably still a waste with the strat

If the multitype function worked like in PLA that would be cool

Because then you could still have contrary but be like water type or something

[fringe spruce]

Yeah

[slim marsh]

Shit

Does V Create exist?

Rayquaza can learn it

And that's a lot of stats that would be boosted with contrary

[dull river]

Looking at the Arceus Shuckle...honestly I think normal Arceus would be better for general bulk. Since even with 150 Def and 190 SpD having only 53 HP versus 120 in HP Def and SpD makes it little reward in exchange.

Even with Contrary as an option for more "technical" plays

[slim marsh]

Yeah especially since cosmic power exists

[fringe spruce]

Yeah

[dull river]

Too bad Spinda ain't in this. It would also hamper the BST a bit, but that's another Contrary mon

Same for Serperior line actually

[slim marsh]

Malamar would have been choice too

Could have had a dark ghost with contrary

[dull river]

Honestly, Serperior line would make for an interesting Contrary fusion line, naturally gets Leaf Storm and could use other pokemon to add more options for stat dropping moves

[slim marsh]

Hydreigon probably

Get that Draco meteor

Actually

Haxorus

[dull river]

I mean it would just do the same thing as Leaf Storm...and I think that's the issue. All other stat dropping moves are physical

[slim marsh]

The speed is good, it would get close combat and Draco meteor

And superpower

[dull river]

If you wanted to make that work you would need to make that Serperior a mixed attacker

Which would be wierd to say the least

[slim marsh]

Oh that would easily work

Haxorus' attack would balance out any lack of attack stat that Serperior has

And a lot of contrary attackers ARE mixed attackers, even without close combat

[dull river]

Actually Serperior ain't lacking in Atk.

[slim marsh]

Well it would be great then

[dull river]

It's just sorta "mediocre" in both offenses

[slim marsh]

Might even work as a plain attacker but leaf storm or Draco meteor makes good coverage

[slim marsh]

Especially if you're running superpower AND close combat

[dull river]

Only 75 in both offenses

[slim marsh]

Because that's a lot of fighting

[fringe spruce]

75 isn't terrible

[slim marsh]

Hax is naturally 147 attack

[dull river]

That would make it like...100-110 in the fusion. Right?

[slim marsh]

Probably around there

[fringe spruce]

Yeah around thay

[slim marsh]

Then Hax gets superpower, immediately boosting it up like bulk up

[dull river]

Also Serperior grants Hax a little more Speed

[slim marsh]

If you know you're gonna be tanking hits, spam close combat

[dull river]

Probably only to a little over 100 but honestly...breaking 100 is pretty solid

[fringe spruce]

Anything over 100 on any Pokémon I feel is good

[slim marsh]

It would be a tank breaking 100 so absolutely

And then if they pull out a ghost you just start blasting them with your special

Or you could just drop the special boost and get a dark type move

[dull river]

I mean 100 is the sorta "leveling off" of the speed tier. As that's where the Mythical Pokemon stand, and they sorta are like a slight "benchmark" for stats

[slim marsh]

Because Haxorperior would have the average of 60 and 75 special attack

[dull river]

So like 65 SpA

[slim marsh]

Even with the 2x boost you'd maybe be better off focusing attack and having a dark move

[dull river]

67 to be more precise

[slim marsh]

God damn I love Haxorus

[fringe spruce]

Yeah, Hax+Serp is definitely more physical than special

Do they get Crunch?

[dull river]

Same. Design, menace, and just how brutal it is those who are unprepared

[slim marsh]

I often question why they didn't just make Haxorus a pseudo legendary but let's be real this is why

[fringe spruce]

I thought Haxorus was?

[dull river]

With that 147 Base Atk, and surprisingly modest 97 Speed

[slim marsh]

Nah, 540

[fringe spruce]

Huh

[slim marsh]

Honestly even one dragon dance can turn Haxorus into a team sweeper if you get away with a life orb

Poison jab, dark type attacks, dragon claw or outrage

[dull river]

Haxorus has one role, and that is being a "nuclear warhead"

[slim marsh]

Hell even life orb and first impression is worth running

Sometimes they aren't expecting it

[fringe spruce]

Xerneas exists though

[slim marsh]

And they just fucking die

Yeah but Xerneas isn't anywhere near Haxorus' tier

[fringe spruce]

It's literally an Uber

[dull river]

Oh...mister "Click Geomancy to win itself." As much as the Power Herb Geomancy is good I still don't like it

[slim marsh]

We need a steel type darkest lariat

[fringe spruce]

That would be cool

[slim marsh]

Well actually geomancy doesn't boost defense

So I guess a steel type special darkest lariat?

So just a gun

[fringe spruce]

Lmal

[slim marsh]

We need to shoot Xerneas with a gun.

[fringe spruce]

Lmao

[slim marsh]

Just get the fucking deer rifle

[dull river]

"For his Neutral Special, he wields a GUN"

Sorry...it was too perfect

[fringe spruce]

Lmao

I actually saw a video a while ago about if Bug was more balanced let me see if I can find it because I think it's interesting

[slim marsh]

Okay I've said before that steel/dragon pseudo legend Haxorus would have been a good counterbalance to Hydreigon and set up a different choice for the reveal of fairy but I definitely understand why it's not like that

Can you imagine if even non-pseudo Haxorus had been steel/dragon when fairies came about?

There'd be none left

[dull river]

Reminds me Pokemon Insurgence did a Mega Haxorus that was Steel/Dragon. So honestly even I wish that could happen

[slim marsh]

I thought it was steel/water

Because it's a shark with anchor stuff

Which, frankly

Even fucking scarier

Oh no MEGA haxorus

[fringe spruce]

https://youtu.be/Ujs96JNEpKI

[slim marsh]

I thought you meant delta

[dull river]

Yeah, I meant Mega

[slim marsh]

Honestly the worst part about fixing bug would be that Griffin McElroy clip no longer being valid

"Go CaTeRpIe!! YOU FUCKING IMBECILE"

[fringe spruce]

Lol

[dull river]

Also thinking of Insurgence, one thing they did for Haxorus that I would totally want for mainline. Why doesn't Haxorus have the ability to learn Iron Head?

[fringe spruce]

Because that would be OP

[slim marsh]

Okay let's rephrase that then

OP Pokémon who aren't legendary exist:

Haxorus deserved to be one of them.

It's definitely a great Pokémon but it's got too much stopping it

[dull river]

Looks at Jirachi You sure?

[slim marsh]

Now LIBERO Haxorus!

THAT'S WHAT I WANT

Cause hell

[dull river]

Haxorus wouldn't be too broken with Iron Head tba

[fringe spruce]

How would that work though

[dull river]

Also Garchomp gets Iron Head

[slim marsh]

It wouldn't, no one would ever play Pokémon again

Because some child would dragon dance then spam earthquake to prevent being paralysed by turning into a ground type

[fringe spruce]

Yeah

[slim marsh]

I wonder if Haxorus will get Kleavor's signature

We don't know how the splinter system for moves like stone axe will work yet

But it's a fucking axe move

[fringe spruce]

Stone Axe? Possibly
Makes sense

[slim marsh]

I mean it wouldn't necessarily be great but like I said we don't know how splinters will work I guess.

I figure splinter moves might become trapping moves? Like magma storm?

[plain holly]

Guys, don't forget that this chat is for sharing fusions, you can discuss other stuff in #general

[slim marsh]

Sorry yeah

[fringe spruce]

Sorry

[slim marsh]

Love this sprite

[fringe spruce]

Finally
He has legs

[slim marsh]

Plus hustle Haxorus? It even learns hone claws

[dull river]

We got a little derailed...went from Haxorus/Serperior fusion to just about Haxorus itself.

[fringe spruce]

Yeah

[indigo roost]

this seems really good

[slim marsh]

granted Hydreigon shouldn't have hustle but shhh

[fringe spruce]

Love the sprite
Looks creepy in a cool eay

[slim marsh]

Pretty decent I suppose, its attack stats are weirdly mixed though

You'd maybe be able to make it a mixed attacker

[fringe spruce]

Makes it good mixed attacket

[dull river]

I think Quick Feet would be interesting on Special sets

[slim marsh]

Yeah but most mixed attackers have good speed, or at least better defenses

[fringe spruce]

Crunch, Shadow Ball, any Elemental Fang or Punch, Any coverage

[dull river]

Since you could Flame Orb

[indigo roost]

thats good since ghost is mostly special and normal is mostly physical

[dull river]

And just be a lot faster then it should be.

[slim marsh]

Sorry for the repetitiveness but that did just give me an idea

[dull river]

Hmm?

[slim marsh]

Now it has stab return.

[dull river]

Also Guts

[fringe spruce]

Oh hell yeah

[dull river]

Guts on a 141 Atk monstrocity

Oh boy

[slim marsh]

Dragon dance, flame orb guts, Stab return

This thing will kill you. It's not a threat, it's an inevitably.

Haxuring is getting closer every second you aren't running

[fringe spruce]

Ursaorus

[slim marsh]

Sidenote: someone should make a custom sprite where it's like a lumberjack bear

Because it's got axes

[fringe spruce]

Lol

[slim marsh]

People may ask if a bear shits in the woods

Haxuring does not

Haxuring shits your pants

[fringe spruce]

Lmao

[slim marsh]

Oh good!!

Now it has sheer force.

[dull river]

Just thinking...Moxie Haxorus hour?

[fringe spruce]

Azumarill Huge Power

[dull river]

With the one on the right

[dull river]

Oh god...

[slim marsh]

Comes to 228

[fringe spruce]

And only two weaknesses

[slim marsh]

And it only has two weaknesses

What the FUCK HAXORUS

[placid fulcrum]

If mega fusions were in:
Mega mawile.

[dull river]

Problem is that one doesn't have Huge Power naturally. I think game only gives you Thick Fat as option. Unless does Ability Capsule change that?

[placid fulcrum]

Only works as a body fusion and not a head

[fringe spruce]

Dragon Fairy is still good

[dull river]

Yeah...so gotta deal with 82 Atk

but honestly that's still good

[placid fulcrum]

Can't use huge power on head unless you get an ability swapper thing from crimson island

[fluid karma]

Kingdra and Palkia are like this without fusing

[slim marsh]

Yeah but when we thought it had huge power it was way better than kingdra

[fringe spruce]

But do they have huge power?

[slim marsh]

And palkia maybe

[dull river]

Unless you are against a Freeze Dry user, in which beware

As that's x4 weakness

[slim marsh]

Huge power Haxorus would one shot Palkia surely

[fringe spruce]

Here's a fun one

Slacking, but with Haxorus as the ability

Rivalry Slaking

[dull river]

Honestly though, Thick Fat on the Water/Dragon Haxorus doesn't even seem like too bad an idea

[slim marsh]

It's alright.

[dull river]

Since you turn it into basically an Ice Resist

instead of neutral

[slim marsh]

Like it's not the best

Rivalry is one of the worst abilities

[fringe spruce]

Could work

[placid fulcrum]

1/6 fire resist

[fringe spruce]

True

[fringe spruce]

Yeah

[dull river]

Fire type's worst nightmare, 1/8th damage taken

Since it quad resists Fire already

[true jasper]

If you wanna see a cool fusion, do Aggron/Haxorus

[slim marsh]

But I do think it's hilarious that Rivalry Haxorus saw competitive success because it fucking slaughtered the all-male forces of nature. Literally girlbossed them.

[placid fulcrum]

Depends if its additive or not

But like
At that point does it even matter

[dull river]

There's only one model

[fringe spruce]

Now that's interesting

[dull river]

For both

[fringe spruce]

I haven't even thought of Meta

[dull river]

People sleeping on Clear Body

[slim marsh]

I already went over Haxorus/Dragonite earlier but multiscale dragon dance is still fucking lethal

[dull river]

Can't even stop the buffs unless you got Haze/Clear Smog

[fluid karma]

I enjoy Ursaring/Golurk with iron fist

[fringe spruce]

Ooh

Iron Fist is a pretty cool ability

[dull river]

I know this is an Arceus Fusion but dang

Right fusion

[fringe spruce]

Oh wow

[dull river]

Too bad you would need an ability capsule to pick up Mold Breaker, but dam. That would be a menace

Dragon Dancing Haxorus with those levels of bulk

You actually wouldn't break it easily

[fringe spruce]

The feet are a little weird

[slim marsh]

Haxorus feels like it would be sold in ads which give you a virus when you click on them

Is your dragon short and weak? Get yourself a FUCKING HAXORUS

Be a M A N

[fringe spruce]

Lmao

[dull river]

Actually, you want even more bulk?

Turn to the God of Antimatter

[slim marsh]

Huh.

It's not often that two entirely non pseudo legendaries

[dull river]

195 HP...wow

[slim marsh]

Exceed 600 base stat

By 25 whole points

[fringe spruce]

Gg

[slim marsh]

I'm not sure if that one would get serene grace or natural cure but either way

[dull river]

Lowers Atk to 101 though, still useable though

[fringe spruce]

Yeah

[slim marsh]

Serene grace would be fucking scary though

[fringe spruce]

Oh yeah

[slim marsh]

Haxorus has a bunch of high crit moves

[fringe spruce]

Togekiss Hax?

[dull river]

Serene Grace, the top 2 abilities are the general choices

The others are the Hidden/"Secondary" abilities of said fusion

[fringe spruce]

Intimidate is pretty good

[dull river]

Same idea, but Fairy Dragon. Also 114 Atk

[fringe spruce]

Is there a Special Attack version of Intimidate?

[dull river]

No

[slim marsh]

Okay shit that's actually a really good Pokémon

Normal/Dragon, serene grace, dragon dance

[fringe spruce]

Fairy

[slim marsh]

It can have rock slide

Crunch

[fringe spruce]

Oh vlissey right

[dull river]

And there is no Special equivalent of burn outside of PLA

[slim marsh]

Poison jab

[true jasper]

Remember not to get too side tracked

[slim marsh]

Who needs reshiram

[true jasper]

Though gotta say, I really like the Haxorus Fused with the legendaries so far

[slim marsh]

Haxorfication

[fringe spruce]

Lmao

[true jasper]

Oh yeah look at Haxorus/Aegislash

you won't be disappointed

[slim marsh]

Both are pretty good

[fringe spruce]

I'm curious on what you guys think on what a Alakazam+Togekiss with serene grace would be like

I'm thinking of using it as a special sweeper for my playthrough

[slim marsh]

Really focus in on that poison jab lmao

[fringe spruce]

That would sting lmao

[slim marsh]

Looks great

My only note would be like

Alakazam is very much a sweeper

Who doesn't expect to survive much of a hit

Whilst togekiss is more wear down and survive hits

So I don't know how well those mesh gameplay wise

I think it'll be great but who knows

[fringe spruce]

We'll see
It's Special Defnese is 110

105*

[slim marsh]

It's just like

Blissey

With a gun

Plus it gets draining kiss so like

It'll be great I'm sure

[fringe spruce]

Yeah

Alright thanks

If my Togepi gets Hustle I'll try to put it on something like Machop I think
But idk

[slim marsh]

Oh shit that is good

Hustle Togechamp would be a threat

[fringe spruce]

Fairy Fighting

[slim marsh]

That being said

Might be better off on something with hone claws

And with that in mind I will try my best not to suggest Haxorus

[fringe spruce]

Lmao

Dragon Fairy though

[slim marsh]

Oh it's great don't get me wrong I already checked it out

But if you wanna be more original

This one also learns hone claws

[fringe spruce]

Ooh

[slim marsh]

This one too but faster

4x steel is bad but to be fair, Togechamp and Krookokiss wouldn't survive a strong iron attack either most likely

[dull river]

Doesn't Icicle Crash have a Flinch chance?

Hmm

[slim marsh]

This is for hustle not serene grace

Hone claws users

[fringe spruce]

Yeah

[dull river]

Ah, ok

But still Icicle Crash on that fusion would be interesting

[slim marsh]

It would still be a good move option for the hustle build

Because it's inaccuracy would be covered

[dull river]

Wait...Icicle Crash has a 30% chance to flinch

I didn't know it was that high

[fringe spruce]

Doesn't Cloyster get it too?

[dull river]

Yes, Cloyster does have access to it

Just uses Icicle Spear more because Skill Link

[fringe spruce]

Oh yeah

[dull river]

Still Icicle Crash Weavile/Togekiss Fusion. The new Air Slash

Though you would need to breed for that

[slim marsh]

Damnit

Marowak/Cloyster is the wrong way round

The ground/ice one without skill link gets the good stats

The ground/water one with skill link gets the worse ones

Skill link bone rush would have been real nice

[fringe spruce]

Yeah

[slim marsh]

Bad typing but sand stream boosting the special defense actually does make this pretty decent

[dull river]

Ok...I love how hilariously effective the left fusion is at being a combo of the duo.

Arceus is the keyring, and the 3 Creation Dragons are the keys

[fringe spruce]

Yeah

[dull river]

Togekiss/Arceus, why is it so glorious?

[rapid wind]

That has an animated sprite too

[dull river]

Ohh

Interesting

Also Arceus/Blissey is actually super underwhelming

[fluid karma]

Among Us

[dull river]

But the other way around is suprisingly good

If not derpy

[dull river]

I am favoriting that

[sand depot]

robot go brr

[sand depot]

When the acid kicks in

[snow dust]

oh my

[true jasper]

are you okay pal?

do you need some assistance?

[sand depot]

idk, I'm getting some "I have no mouth and I must scream" vibes. so, yknow, probably not ok.

Poor dude got his gloves on backwards n everything. XD

[true jasper]

being fused with the Poli family that's not Politoed must suck

like how do you eat

[sand depot]

ifdk, via... spirals? somehow?

[jade pike]

whats the dumbest looking pop culture reference in these fusions y’all’ve found

[sand depot]

@lunar badge this u?

[wild spruce]

wouldnt say i found it cause i made it...

[past valve]

Omg it looks like a Stand

I'll call it Bloody Sunday

[vivid bay]

[jade pike]

Spider man lmao thats a good one

[hidden bison]

Small Question when i download the Game are there all the pacs with the sprites installed?

[wild spruce]

Nope last time i check the the base download had up to around pack 60

[hidden bison]

oh okay

[indigo roost]

is this good

[true jasper]

Looks like Barney

Actually with Intimidate it's not bad

[slim marsh]

Worse than regular Gyarados but not bad on the whole

Honestly the only way I can see you making a Pokémon better with Arbok is by finding something that could use its abilities

Maybe something that could make use of rest/shed skin

[true jasper]

Wiscash would be interesting as its Hidden ability is Hydration

Gets rest, and Dragon dance

[slim marsh]

Arbok's best stats are attack and speed

Which, funnily enough

Would probably mix best with Haxorus.

But Haxorus cannot be the solve-all of Pokémon fusions.

[pseudo sparrow]

or can it?

[slim marsh]

Oh it definitely is but that would probably get old fast

It just so happens that fast attackers are literally the best Pokémon

[true jasper]

Well Fast Attackers.

Swift Swim

hehehe

[slim marsh]

And swift swim would let you use swords dance instead of dragon dance

This could be interesting

Rest + shed skin would allow for an extra move

[slim marsh]

Okay here's an idea

Frankly it's still not great but dark/poison is a good typing

And rest/shed skin + Spiritomb's moveset could be worth something

[hidden bison]

How does the sprite request thing work?

[fluid karma]

#sprite-requests

[hidden bison]

Thank you

[worthy obsidian]

im trying to figure out a good fusion for kecleon

[true jasper]

I usually think about its pokedex entry or a Pokemon with a similar body shape or if it's a quadruped same as the 1st pokemon or not

[true jasper]

Squirtle line perhaps? They have a similar tail shape

[worthy obsidian]

hmmm maybe

i want something that synergizes really well with the normal typing

[fluid karma]

Ghost

[worthy obsidian]

that or dark or psychic is what im thinking

i quite like the gengar/kecleon sprite but the mismagius one is also really good

[fluid karma]

I just thought of a very unique and never before used type combo you could use: ||normal/flying||

[worthy obsidian]

lmao

ok naw that krookodile sprite is godlike

thats gonna be it

wait

the x4 for fighting hmm

[fluid karma]

Kecleon/Flygon

The whole line has sprites even

[worthy obsidian]

oooh

if i can get protean, ithink ill probably still go with kecleon/krookodile

[fluid karma]

You'll have to have a hidden ability Kecleon

[worthy obsidian]

will the static kecleon encounter not have it?

[glad hound]

is venusaur crobat anygood, or should i unfuse my bulbasaur and zubat

[mint shard]

Its got a fairly balanced spread of stats with no real weaknesses or strengths. Grass/Flying has a few weaknesses but they're fairly managable, just look out for Ice types

It's not a bad choice, I don't think you'll struggle if you stick with this dude

[slim marsh]

Makes sense I suppose

Venusaur is a bit tankier, slow and has better special attack

Crobat is more brittle, but fast and has better physical attack

You combine them and it's just a super vague green mass

But you'd get Crobat leech seed

[sand depot]

You've inspired me. I'm going to try this in my current run and see if it's viable.

[slim marsh]

Hell yeah

[sand depot]

With only 53 hp it's going to have to rest a lot but it still make might for an interesting toxic-stall mon with more flexibility than most.

[slim marsh]

Well without wasting a slot on sleep talk you could also run a hypnosis based set

Nothing resists it, it's just not accurate

You've also got coil as an option

Hell, could stockpile be worth anything? It's always struck me as just normal type cosmic power but barely anything uses it

[sand depot]

Stockpile is too slow. It's be six to eight turns before I could hit anything worth a dang, if im resting every other turn.

Hypnosis and I are not on speaking terms.

Coil could work... hmm.

This is an interesting pair of movepools. Lots of jank, not a lot of obvious best answers.

[slim marsh]

Here's an idea that might fix some bridges in that regard

It's a bit of a deviation from the idea of using shed skin

But I was inspired by the Gengar/Machamp

No guard hypnosis

[sand depot]

Hmmmmm thats not a bad idea.

But at that point, why arbok?

If only spiritomb/arbok could still use ghost curse.

[Toxic, rest, facade/sleeptalk, dark pulse/sleeptalk] is probably the best best...

Tiny glass canon pretending to be a bulky specially-attacking wall breaker.

Baton-passing in some boosts will probably be part of the strat.

[plain holly]

You know that Facade only works with Poison, Burn and Paralysis but not Sleep right?

Or was it different in gen 3?

[true jasper]

Wouldn't doubt it being different in gen 3

But nonetheless you can probably find the answer on one of the wikipedia's

[plain holly]

Yea I just searched it, it was the same in gen 3

Everything but Sleep and Freeze but Freeze is obvious cuz you can't do anything

But in gen 3 Burn still halved Facade so it basically remains 70 base power

[true jasper]

That's a weird interaction

[plain holly]

I guess it was just a regular interaction and they made it special in gen 6 by not affecting the attack halving when using Facade specifically

[true jasper]

Facade is practically very weak in Gen 3 then since it would only effect 2 status(?)

[plain holly]

Yea

Basically Poison and Paralysis

Just telling all that cuz RestTalk Facade won't double it's power like the other statuses would do

[true jasper]

I find it very funny how Magikarp/Haxorus would be better than Gyarados/Haxorus

all because of Swift swim

[sand depot]

that's what toxic is for.

[plain holly]

But you can't toxic yourself

You need to be poisoned, not your opponent

[sand depot]

Ohhh now I see what you're pointing at., I read facade incorrectly. ty

[plain holly]

You can use Hex instead

It doubles in power if your opponent has a status condition

Or Venoshock if Arbok learns it but it only works with Poison

[true jasper]

It should

Seviper learns it

[sand depot]

It doesn't

[true jasper]

Must be thinking of a different snake or serpentine

[plain holly]

Venoshock is a TM in IF but idk if it's compatible with Arbok

[sand depot]

Arbok y u so bad.

[true jasper]

Because he was introduced in Gen 1

[plain holly]

Anyways, I'm more than sure that Spiritomb learns Hex

[true jasper]

It should

[sand depot]

it does, and that's probably the right answer.

[true jasper]

Poison Point mon with Hex

sounds interesting

Actually I'm thinking of Poison touch

Not point

[sand depot]

nah, it's going to have shed skin for more efficient napping.

[plain holly]

You'd want to be a physical attacker to activate Poison Touch while Hex is a special attack

Toxic is more reliable in this case

I can see Poison Touch as a cool bonus while you attack, not a main gimmick you should build around

[sand depot]

Agreed. especially since (non-toxic) poison is one of the less-good status conditions.

[true jasper]

I like how IF enables eviolite to a whole new level

Eviolite Infernape? only if it could evolve and is fused

[sand depot]

muahaha

[plain holly]

It's nerfed for fusions tho

[sand depot]

is it? how so?

[true jasper]

I'm glad

[plain holly]

Boosts you a bit less

By 1.2 or 1.3 insread of 1.5 I believe

[true jasper]

Who made the Chinchou/Palkia fusion

[plain holly]

Search in #sprite-gallery

[true jasper]

Kiwi did

from what I see

damn it's an interesting design

[modern walrus]

Alakazam and Gengar:

[true jasper]

You know, the funny thing is that Gengar line were the only ghost types

lol

[modern walrus]

True

And the only good poison mon

[true jasper]

Alakazam was udder broken in gen 1

[modern walrus]

(since it deals with psychic types)

Psychic types are OP in gen 1!
Hypno:

[true jasper]

I love being able to remove Regigigas's slow start by fusing

though would love the other regi's being in the game so I could fuse them

[granite blaze]

Same thing with Slaking

[granite blaze]

This thing keeps popping up right above the send button on mobile and I don't know why

[slim marsh]

Biggest weakness: fairy

Counter: no guard iron tail

141 attack

• dragon dance

Haxorus, once again

Objectively the best thing

Would you guys argue -40 base stat for ho-oh doesn't make it any weaker when it's a trade for dragon typing + dragon dance etc?

Like this seems better than Ho-oh to me

And the sprite is great considering it's autogen

[fringe spruce]

The sprite does look cool

[jade breach]

Lol I didn't think Aegislash/Weezing would be good but

[fringe spruce]

Levitate tho

[true jasper]

wait

[jade breach]

Actually epic

[true jasper]

levitates removes the 4th weakness

That's interesting

[jade breach]

Yea

[true jasper]

2x weakness*

[jade breach]

Only weak to fire and has crazy def/sp. def

Plus good moveset

[true jasper]

Weazing in itself gets a lot of weird coverage moves

weezing*

[jade breach]

Feeling good about making the sprite

[true jasper]

I made Hydreigon/Machamp because I like machamp, never thought about the viability

[jade breach]

Lol yea

[granite blaze]

Magnezone/Weeding is better for this

[fringe spruce]

Agreed

I love Magnezing

[jade breach]

True

[shy walrus]

I like Umbreezing

No weaknesses

[jade breach]

Ooo

[past valve]

Goddamn

[pseudo sparrow]

That is over powered as hell

[jade breach]

Lol I really want to do a randomizer run where I go monoweezing

Have to get a koffing on first route

[sand depot]

Ok but consider--

[analog shoal]

all im considering is making a custom for that

[sand depot]

If you do, I would use it in my run.

[jade breach]

It's pretty fun but stats aren't great

I like it anyway

I'll do a drawing maybe nit a sprite

*not

Lol there we go

[sand depot]

Cute!

[plain holly]

forever

[slim marsh]

Tankxorus

[granite blaze]

what about dusclops/dragonite with multiscale 🤔

[slim marsh]

That's 123 defense, 132 special defense with eviolite

If only we had the Conkeldurr line

Add some strength with your eviolite mon

Toxic guts Haxeon

The attack stat takes a bit of a dive but it stays above 100

This thing is essentially mega altaria

Granted it lacks roost

[slim marsh]

Hygon

My god they made Crobat actually good

Now it's one good flying move doesn't kill it

[plain holly]

🔨

[slim marsh]

Bäèn

[plain holly]

[slim marsh]

Cosmic power Lopunny got me thinking

[hallow kindle]

Yooo it's the real smh!!

[rustic finch]

I'm smh, yes, I'm the real smh
All you other smh, are just imitating
So won't the real smh, please stand up?
Please stand up, please stand up

[formal tulip]

wonder guard
one weakness
ok

[fathom ice]

wonder guard
no weakness
almost any dark pkm / shedinja

[formal tulip]

yes but this one looks cool😎

[mint shard]

Bug/Steel wonderguard is a decent choice, it's immune to poison and sandstorm

[dark holly]

I did Porygon 2

[formal tulip]

huge power doubles the attack, so 200 base. Mewtwo X had the highest with 190. Would this work?

[mint spear]

cant get huge power without cheating

[formal tulip]

Ah, sadge

[mint shard]

It's a Azumarill body only

[formal tulip]

ah, again sadge

[slim marsh]

It's not great

But base 140 attack with belly drum?

I'm just tryna find something that gives it high enough attack for a good belly drum without also leaving it frail as fuck

[formal tulip]

what about using berrys?

[slim marsh]

Frankly belly drum would leave it at like 560 attack? And that's not worth it when you could just run ANY HAXORUS FUSION

[slim marsh]

Belly drum will have to waste the berry most likely

So that you don't get one shot from half health

[fluid karma]

Yes, that’s the point

[formal tulip]

⬆️

[slim marsh]

Huge power from Azumarill just isn't worth it for fusions imo. The biggest I can find is Rampardos, with shit stats but 88 attack stat

There may be a legendary in this game which can get it higher but it'll just be a waste of a legendary

Rampardos gets you to 704 base attack after belly drum and huge power

[fluid karma]

You could fuse it with Regigigas or Slaking so they don’t have worthless abilities

[slim marsh]

Azumarill/Rampardos with huge power, perfect stats and belly drum

I found can get up to 1984 attack

If head Azumarill could get huge power

That final stat could be 2652

[rustic finch]

it can

by cheating

[fluid karma]

There’s a reason it can’t

[slim marsh]

I mean the other stats are still ass

Rampardos is

Not the best

[fluid karma]

You forget to factor in the most important detail

Some people just want to use Azumarill

[slim marsh]

I don't feel like I was

[formal tulip]

is it possible to learn this power?

[rustic finch]

yes

magic boots

[formal tulip]

Anyone got some cool/good sceptile fusions?

[slim marsh]

Can I offer you a Haxorus in this trying time?

[formal tulip]

that is both cool and good

[slim marsh]

Alternatively

Grass/Electric isn't a common typing, and you'd get both leech seed and sticky web

Plus compound eyes which is a good ability no matter how you slice it

[formal tulip]

allowing for 93% accurate stab thunder, nice

[slim marsh]

This might also be worth something

[formal tulip]

That is an amazing defensive typing

[slim marsh]

And this one is actually surprisingly good. Magic Guard, Unburden and Regenerator could all work for different reasons

I'd probably lean towards regenerator because you could swap out after setting up leech seed

And because it's defenses aren't the best, especially with its typing

[formal tulip]

yeah, thank you for the fusions

[grave heron]

I could make this

[indigo roost]

this makes me uncomfortable

[fallen galleon]

Most of the lickytounges & lickylicky fusions are cursed

[grave heron]

Cant believe lickilicky and krookodile isn’t done yet

[jade pike]

Pretty sure that’s already made

[grave heron]

im doing a MONO NORMAL randomizer

[jade pike]

Ooh

[slim marsh]

Okay so I was curious about the viability of Scimaldo from Spritework and

First of all, kinda surprised how good it is. Swift swim could even mean you don't have to use technician and bullet punch

But also HOW IS THE FIRST SPRITE THE AUTOGEN ONE

No hate to the second sprite at all it's just surprising to me because that's a really good looking autogen

[formal tulip]

THAT ONE IS AUTOGEN

HOW?

[slim marsh]

You can kinda see where the face doesn't match up

But it's pretty damn good

Glad to see the one in Spritework is polishing up the one with good stats

Worth noting that you can also get technician aqua jet from it

But frankly without stab on bullet punch and aqua jet, I wouldn't go for them regardless

[true jasper]

It still has quite a few options with the rock/bug typing however..

Rock tomb

and perhaps a low power bug move

Though Aqua jet would be good coverage

[slim marsh]

Well that's where swift swim comes into play

Put it on a rain team

[true jasper]

Yea

[slim marsh]

It gets liquidation

[sand depot]

Hey @slim marsh, I've got a shiney Weavile/Infernape which of course I absolutely must use. Any suggestions on building a team around it? What pokes would make good partners?

(It ended up with pickpocket, btw.)

[true jasper]

Those are really good colors

[slim marsh]

I mean you've got a good typing at least. Stats aren't great but they aren't awful so it should be okay to run. Frankly pickpocket just isn't a good ability at all especially in non-competitive where you can't guarantee that something will rely on items

You could use Bulk Up from Infernape given that you have a better defensive typing (aside from a lot of things knowing fighting moves, most of which target defense, so bulk up is a good idea there)

I'm not sure if throat chop is in this game but frankly it may be your only good choice for dark stab

Weavile's moveset is kind of ass

[sand depot]

RIGHT?! I midnight color-coordinate my whole team around it. XD

[sand depot]

Yeaahhh... so far I've completely foregon a dark stab, which sucks, but on the upside it has swords dance and close combat, so I can at least kinda make up for it with just raw power.

[true jasper]

Yeah weavile's moveset doesn't really offer anything too interesting for a fusion

[slim marsh]

Probably the best choice. Frankly there doesn't seem to be anything fancy here

It's typing will probably let it survive for a swords dance, then you can smack the shit out of things with its speed

[sand depot]

Yup yup. I've also got a ninjask fusion with baton pass for added zoom.

They make a great physical-sweeping pair.

[true jasper]

Infiltrator Aerodactyl

[fluid karma]

Too bad barely any trainer uses any moves that would be used for

[true jasper]

Yeah

This autogen fusion almost looks good

[fallen galleon]

Kyroge & nidoranfemale or nidorina?

It certainly does look good

[true jasper]

Nidorina

[modern walrus]

Oooh

[sand depot]

Poll: which is better?
1️⃣ getting a custom sprite for a fusion which was just plain ugly before
OR
2️⃣ getting a custom sprite for a fusion which was almost already perfect but had that one flaw that makes it obviously an autogen

[jade breach]

Hmmm

[indigo roost]

1️⃣

[jade breach]

1️⃣

[jade pike]

1️⃣

[jade pike]

best mawile fusion?

[modern walrus]

Idk

[slim marsh]

Why isn't it obvious?

[true jasper]

That's honestly terrifying

[slim marsh]

I was making a joke

But frankly I can't find much better than that

Mawile ain't great

Maybe this

Blissey kind of makes everything better like Haxorus but it's because it boosts two stats that aren't usually the Big Ones, health and special defense

With Blissey and Haxorus themselves actually creating something with 625 base stat

Despite neither being pseudo Legendary or stronger

[granite blaze]

Blissey is broken

[grave heron]

how is chansey broken

[fluid karma]

Eviolite probably

[granite blaze]

Chansey is honestly a top 10 pokemon to fuse even without eviolite

[jade breach]

Dusclops is good too

[true jasper]

speaking of, I wanted to do a Golbat/Dusclops fusion

[jade breach]

Oo

[somber merlin]

Here's my dream team

[slim marsh]

This looks like a really well rounded and well thought out, aesthetically pleasing team. HOWEVER, I did find one glaring fault

I've taken the opportunity to fix it, so if I may:

[pseudo sparrow]

yes

[slim marsh]

I believe this should solve your problem

[fluid karma]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/543958354377179176/953721003765268490/59.368.png

[slim marsh]

Mono Haxorus-type run

Aka Infinite Fusion Easy Mode

[fluid karma]

Pokémon infinite Haxorus

[slim marsh]

Pokémon Legends Haxorus

What they don't tell you is that the original dragon of Kyurem, Reshiram and Zekrom IS Haxorus

But more importantly, did you know that our universe is actually on top of a giant Haxorus?

And it's on top of another giant Haxorus

It's Haxori all the way down

Who's Garchomp?

Okay but unironically

Skill Link

[mild pulsar]

that togekiss/Haxorus fusion is perfect

i love it

[slim marsh]

Don't think it would be bad to use either tbh, serene grace has a lot of potential

[mild pulsar]

i was talking about the fusion look

the face looks so nice but the body looks like it could destroy your entire bloodline

[slim marsh]

Oh no I got that, it's a great sprite

[slim marsh]

To be fair, anyone who knows Togekiss would be more scared of the face.

Um

I'll be real.

I only screenshotted this so I could make a joke about the Haxussy

[true jasper]

That's a real axe wound for sure.

[slim marsh]

What they don't tell you in sex ed

They all look like this.

Stay away.

Run, in fact

If you meet a woman, run.

Now you know what they're capable of.

Ah

I randomised from Cloyster

And immediately got Haxorus/Sudowoodo

So it would seem the fusion calculator is feeling particularly saucy today

[jade breach]

I feel like I should figure out a dream team and make sprites for them

[granite blaze]

Garchomp is a lot better lmao

In literally every way

[slim marsh]

More Sinnoh propaganda

You just can't begin to fathom the power of Haxfisk

[jade breach]

Haxfisk

I should draw one

So far there's these for sprites I've done/am doing

I wonder if it's named Aeging

Old

[plain holly]

It must be Aegizing

[jade breach]

Lol

[hidden bison]

i was looking at forms i can make out of my team and

[somber merlin]

Is that Venasaur and Poliwhirl?

[hidden bison]

yes

[somber merlin]

I see

[hidden bison]

rn i have venasaur and persian but im about to chang to this

[somber merlin]

I don't know if it's the ability it gets but Drizzle could be fun

[hidden bison]

yes that's the plan or just set up rain dance

[somber merlin]

I see

[hidden bison]

rn i want to change since everything is fighting type and it gives me a disadvantage

what i wanted

what i get

[true jasper]

Funny thing abo

about that fusion*

is that Sandile's prey on trapinch

[hidden bison]

yep :/

i did for ground and dark type since those types will help in next 2 gyms

i think this might just be a 5.0 thing idk but looks like it.

[fluid karma]

Save the image to the CustomBattlers folder

[fluid karma]

Ah yeah, I made that based on Wart from SMB2

[hidden bison]

wait so...

[hidden bison]

tbh with that one i see that boss ngl

what number is trapinch and sandile in this dex

[fluid karma]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/302155977900163074/965073567509274684/392.409.png
These numbers^

[hidden bison]

theres only 14 trapinch

[grave heron]

You can take up spriting and make it 15

Or 16 or 17 or 18

[hidden bison]

so theres only 14 but i can make my own and add them

[fluid karma]

But if you take both Trapinch head and body into account...

[grave heron]

Nice

[hidden bison]

how do i put request for sprite

[fluid karma]

#sprite-requests

[hidden bison]

im reading the custom sprite form how it work?

to check

[jade breach]

What do you want sprited?

[hidden bison]

i want to know and see if someone can do riolu head and a sabelye body mostly to look like a stitch from disney also i want to see it with the lucario to

[jade breach]

Ah

[hidden bison]

ya :/ i found those look more like him

[fluid karma]

Well Sableye isn't in the game

So it's probably not gonna get accepted

[hidden bison]

oof

[fluid karma]

?tag pokedex

[loud rose]

All Gen1-2 Pokémon are in the game, all Pokémon that are from Gen3+ (aswell as their location and Pokédex number) can be found here:

https://infinitefusion.fandom.com/wiki/Pokédex

No new Pokémon will be added. The game has reached its limit!

[fluid karma]

You can see what the game has here

[hidden bison]

got it riolu then espeon

espeon is purple poke and riolu is blue also ik there in game

[indigo roost]

Hey does anyone know if feraligator/aegislash has a custom sprite? It won’t let me check

[hidden bison]

okay so what do i say to make a request in the request

[granite blaze]

It's pinned in that channel

[fluid karma]

No

[hidden bison]

wait when it asks to request user is that me or do i leave blank

[fluid karma]

You leave it blank unless you have a specific spriter you want to make your sprite

[hidden bison]

oh okie ty

[mystic vector]

are these stats... junk?

[jade breach]

Not really

[mystic vector]

so.. a viable fusion... what a relief

[slim marsh]

I mean it's basically a more bulky physical Lucario, shouldn't be too bad

But sadly the one with the good stats has the worse defensive typing

[barren dew]

volcarona/mewtwo looks sick ngl

[formal tulip]

Guess the fusion, Alakazam and ???

[dark holly]

electrode

[formal tulip]

correct

[dark holly]

what do i win?

[somber merlin]

A cookie 🍪

[dark holly]

that's it? i spent all my life for this?

[formal tulip]

You win the satisfaction of guessing it correctly. And everyone wins this cool looking fusion

[mystic vector]

Oh look, a protogen

[formal tulip]

A what? I am pretty new to the inf fusion game.

[dark holly]

a what now?

[mystic vector]

Protogens are creatures from the furry fandom that are all cyborgs and their face is a screen

[formal tulip]

1. Why and how do you know this
2. WHAT?
   and 3. Why did you have to ruin the cool fusion

[mystic vector]

https://images.app.goo.gl/kCXkMjXG3mRuF9Wx8

[formal tulip]

I am not clicking on that

[mystic vector]

Is PG

It just explains what they are

[slim marsh]

Say Pokémon and nobody bats an eye

[modern walrus]

Tru

[slim marsh]

Say Furry characters

And society goes WILD

[modern walrus]

Also true

[thin vapor]

say smart fella nobody bats an eye

say fart smella and society goes wild

[mystic vector]

And everyone loses their shit. This is why I am often ashamed to admit i like art featuring anthropomorphic animals because furries. When I actually try to stay away from the pron

[thin vapor]

i like making anthromorphic humans

[slim marsh]

Hey I'll take the Pokémon to furry pipeline over the Pokémon to 4chan pipeline any day of the week

[mystic vector]

Redundant

[thin vapor]

you sure?

i can name a few people that arent anthromorphic

[formal tulip]

Like whatever you want , that isn't the problem. It is(like most things) the fandom. Keep the weird stuff to yourself and don't wear your fursuit outside and we're good.

[mystic vector]

Yes. Anthropomorphic means human shaped

[thin vapor]

im not wrong tho

[mystic vector]

I don't even have one. And would probably never have one even of i had screw you money

[slim marsh]

There was no weird stuff mentioned you literally just assumed

You heard furry and recoiled like a 12 year old boy

[thin vapor]

because usually the topic has a bad reputation

[slim marsh]

This is Pokémon half the revenue is furries

[thin vapor]

also what he said was general

[thin vapor]

that doesnt change a thing

he was just saying the fandom is the issue and as long as you arent part of the weird part of the fandom youre fine

[formal tulip]

Didn't mean to say anything offensive , just tried to make funny haha and clarify what I find alright. Like I said do what you want , unfortunately there are a lot of weird people in those communties wich (from an outside perspective) give it a bad wrap, loud minority and all that.

[slim marsh]

I mean I can see that I guess but it's a tad presumptuous is all I'm saying. It's like telling a fan of (almost any) current popular anime that they better not be the side of the fandom that is into kids

[thin vapor]

theres nothing wrong with that though

just saying dont be bad

[formal tulip]

I mean, yeah. I don't really want to be friends with a kid diddler?

[slim marsh]

No it's a valid concern but not necessarily something that you'd say to someone for just liking said thing, no?

[thin vapor]

i mean it becomes needed if the fandom is known for it

[formal tulip]

Yeah, fair enough.

[thin vapor]

because as said above i don't want to be friends with someone who likes kids

[slim marsh]

My point about any current popular anime fandom stands

[thin vapor]

but thats unrelated to this subject then

[slim marsh]

I don't think we're in disagreement here, all I'm saying is it's odd to just assume the worst about furries when you probably wouldn't say so about more widely accepted interests

[thin vapor]

i wouldnt assume the worst but i wouldnt assume the best either, its as simple as not trusting strangers

[mystic vector]

Also. Serious furcon organizers tend to punish/expel/ban anyone doing something illegal or objectionable. and do what they can to keep minors out of adult stuff

[thin vapor]

when it comes to strangers theres justifiable reason to be wary until you know that person more

[slim marsh]

That's a good point, frankly anime fandoms are worse for this sort of stuff, furries just get talked about more

But everything seems chill here so I think it's all good

[thin vapor]

anime fandoms in general have bad parts

[mystic vector]

The whole Loli thing "she may look like a schoolgirl but she's a 5000 year old dragon so is fair game"

[thin vapor]

its just that a lot of people dont like furries in general so more of it is considered bad

[slim marsh]

Seems to have wrapped back around to Pokémon to furry pipeline Vs Pokémon to 4chan pipeline

[thin vapor]

that was the main subject, yes

[formal tulip]

Yeah let's wrap this up and go back to talking about funny haha pocket monsters, like this guy:

[mystic vector]

Cute

[slim marsh]

What the fuck's wrong with its neck

[formal tulip]

too big trunk

[slim marsh]

Got a tiny twig neck

[formal tulip]

why are being so mean to little guy

[slim marsh]

Y'know what let me fix it

There, the neck fits now

[formal tulip]

Be carefull who you make fun of in middle school

[slim marsh]

It's twig neck went to its arms and legs

Dude skipped everything but shoulder day

[formal tulip]

This one has a great typing and some alright stats, kinda tanky and can use either special or physical attacks.

[indigo roost]

This one’s face is a nose

[formal tulip]

One of my favorite fusions

[slim marsh]

Why the fuck aren't Reshiram and Zekrom's shinies a palette swap

Why does game Freak have to miss all the best opportunities

[formal tulip]

because gamefreak use a random colour picker, and sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't

[fallen galleon]

Yea the smug look on reshiroms face definitely make it a good fusion

[formal tulip]

It knows it's the best

[fallen galleon]

For you it may be but for me it definitely is a pretty good one but there are other that look better imo

Well everyone does have a different favourite anyway

[dim halo]

Aaah my fave... So cute!

[grave heron]

Giga drain

[fallen galleon]

Grass pledge

Petal dance

Any grass move anyway

[pulsar idol]

ingrain

[plain holly]

Worry Seed

[fringe spruce]

Sleep Powder

[indigo roost]

Leech seed

[plain holly]

Leech Seed can actually kill

[slim marsh]

Sleep powder can also kill

It certainly makes me desire death

[grave heron]

this is very scary

shuckle and aegislash learn power trick

203 atk

[slim marsh]

Once stance change works it would probably be good

Until then it dies immediately after using power trick

[grave heron]

priority moves be like

[slim marsh]

???

Turn 1: takes hit, tanks, uses power trick

Turn 2: shadow sneak, unlikely to insta-kill, dies

[grave heron]

its not like it only has 2 moves

[slim marsh]

But with stance change it would just be take hit, attack, kings shield, repeat

[grave heron]

also sturdy so no tanking needed

[slim marsh]

Best bet would be swords dance spam beforehand I guess

Power trick, shadow sneak, swords dance and rest with chesto berry?

[grave heron]

you have access to sub

you could also not power swap and do a shell smash contrary strat

[slim marsh]

That could work but I think sub would still be majorly threatened by fighting types

[grave heron]

you do get king's shield

only weakness i see is that awful hp

[slim marsh]

Wouldn't close combat work better?