fusions

[sullen cypress]

U can fuse a grass/water with flying perhaps or with levitate

Flying fighting works as a resistant but doesn't actually wreck ground types

[fierce zenith]

but my dragon/water is there to wreak blue's starter

okay, if i can get a flying fighting with a good ice move though

neutral to rock and immune to ground

[sullen cypress]

No ice flying or ice fighting tho?

Except articuno ?

[fierce zenith]

well ice flying is really weak to rock

[tepid sable]

I'm trying to think of Fighting or Flying types with Ice moves other than Articuno, since Articuno only passes on Ice.

[sullen cypress]

^ that's what I meant

[fierce zenith]

is there an ice punch or so

oh

[sullen cypress]

If u want

U could make the fighting poliwrath

[tepid sable]

HITMONCHAN

Ice Punch is available to Hitmonchan

[sullen cypress]

Gives u access to the elepunches and water moves

[tepid sable]

True, that works too.

What's a good Flying head to pair with these?

[sullen cypress]

Are there good flying heads? Lol

[tepid sable]

Pidgeot is fine, but I'm trying to think of others

[fierce zenith]

first what gives flying as a head, all the normal/flying?

[tepid sable]

Yes

The normal flyings always pass on Flying

[fierce zenith]

noctowl?

[sullen cypress]

Pidgeot, noctowl, fearow.... No more flying heads

Oh wait

[tepid sable]

Dodrio

[sullen cypress]

Dodrio

[tepid sable]

Farfetchd

Yeah that's all of them

[sullen cypress]

Are they actually good heads is the other question lol

[tepid sable]

Pidgeot is fine on basically anything, Fearow is great if you want pure physical power, same for Dodrio...
Farfetchd just sucks tbh.
Noctowl is pretty great if power isn't your concern.

[fierce zenith]

with noctowl head wrath body you get
97 hp
80 atk
80 def
74 sp atk
94 sp def
70 speed
495

which is better than pidgeot head

[tepid sable]

...you put hp for everything lol

[fierce zenith]

lol omg wow

[sullen cypress]

XD

[fierce zenith]

uh let me edit that

[sullen cypress]

495hp super tank !!

[fierce zenith]

haha

there fixed

[sullen cypress]

What about dodrio fearow?

As heads*

[fierce zenith]

Fearow
73 hp
93 atk
85 def
64 sp atk
71 sp def
80 speed

Dodrio
70 hp
100 atk
87 def
63 sp atk
70 sp def
83 speed

[tepid sable]

Ok, Dodrio if you want pure power, Noctowl if you want survivability.

Fearow is basically out of the question now.

[fierce zenith]

rock/grounds are high attack, def, so i can put some sp atk in there that would be useful

i think i will go noctowl cause i just like it so much more than dodrio

[tepid sable]

Fair

Noctowl is, I've learned, a great choice for a Flying-type head

[fierce zenith]

oh god

[sullen cypress]

Haha yea....

Wrath sprites are abit.....

[fierce zenith]

bad?

[tepid sable]

Wrathy

I can see the wrath in its eyes

[fierce zenith]

the wrath of vengence, why did you do this to me

[sullen cypress]

I could try something if ud like but post a request on the sprites works to see if u get better takers haha

I kinda got intrigued by dodwrath

Was gonna start working on that haha but I could do a noctwrath

[fierce zenith]

lol yeah something to improve this would be good, i feel like it needs a complete makeover or may just noctowl head with arms and legs but no that looks ugh

yeah ill put a request in

but for a noctwrath 1 fighting type, 1 ice, 1 water and 1 flying type move?

[sullen cypress]

Don't think I'll be needing the flying type?

Ull*

Also u have access to psychic moves

[fierce zenith]

against a neutral is psychic better generally than fly?

the type no the moves

[sullen cypress]

psychic moves usually come with additional effects

flying type not so much

[fierce zenith]

ah okay

[fierce zenith]

oddish head + weedle odddle

[elder scroll]

Why is ivysaur the best fusion base

his face just makes every pokemon look really dissapointed

like

ivysaur + mechamp = father who is sad at son

[flint loom]

what about ivisaur + unnow ?

[sullen cypress]

ull get a disapointing letter

XD

[flint loom]

what about ivisaur + that upside down capoera dancing fighting mon ?

[sullen cypress]

a disapointed top

[hidden bison]

Hitmontop huh

Weezing/Ivysaur is pretty interesting too

[elder scroll]

ivysaur+sunflora is great to

like

"f you, im a flower, deal with it"

[sullen cypress]

a bright gloom XD

[sullen cypress]

who is the disapointed looking sunflora at the wedding? The Bright Gloom! ba dum tsk........

ok sorry... its really bad lol

[elder scroll]

lol

[fierce zenith]

Lol

[unique pumice]

Is the Fusion FAQ out of date? It states "1) When Fusing two pokemon, the first pokémon you select will become the body, and the second will become the head." I'm running 3.1.3 and the selection order doesn't seem to matter.

[sullen cypress]

in 3.1 its different

that fusion faq if for 4.0

in 3.1 the first fusion is the head and the 2nd is the body IF they are both the same lvl

[unique pumice]

Oh ok, well I'm currently extracting that. It takes forever

[sullen cypress]

if its different lvl then iirc the higher lvl is the body

[unique pumice]

I'll give that a shot. Thanks.

[fierce zenith]

in v4 does the level of each part not matter when fusing for who is head who is body?

[worn bison]

no it doesnt

first selected is always body

[fierce zenith]

okay, so that only v3

[worn bison]

yup

[fierce zenith]

okay

man i have most of the mats for the fusions i want already

were do i get a magnemite?

[worn bison]

it's on the road before that cave I forgot the name

rock cave?

the one u need flash

[fierce zenith]

the rock tunnel?

[worn bison]

yeah rock tunnel

[fierce zenith]

okay, so need to get 3rd badge

[worn bison]

there is some grass a little before

should be there

[fierce zenith]

also is there a map of that tunnel?

okay thanks

[worn bison]

well I did it without flash and it went pretty well

[fierce zenith]

yeah i managed to get it before without

[carmine jolt]

whats a good head for snorlax?

[proud crane]

snorlax

alternatively, anything high Atk and Def, though maybe avoid Rock types.

[carmine jolt]

tangrowth good? is it in the game?

thick fat + grass type

[flint loom]

sorry to desapoint but snorlax can't have thick fat in fusion

Fusion can only have first ability of either half

[worldly cove]

...

that is awsome

[serene pond]

Much Thank

[fierce zenith]

hmm, raimoth is worse than venochu, i think i need to rethink my electric poison combo

[hidden bison]

Venomoth as a whole makes a better head mon

but it gives Bug type

[fierce zenith]

yeah, mareep line + oddish line body might work though

[hidden bison]

also ele/poison is x4 weak to ground

so be careful

[fierce zenith]

i know, and its weak to psychic

[hidden bison]

well x2 weaknesses are not fatal

[fierce zenith]

but it is resistant to Bug
Electric
Fairy
Fighting
Flying
Grass
Poison
Steel

[hidden bison]

you can survive hits from them

but x4

you are pretty much dead almost 100%

[fierce zenith]

you take it out first or you die

[hidden bison]

and ele/poison cannot hurt ground types unless you have a water/grass move

[fierce zenith]

that makes vileplume good for that fusion then

get an absorb, if i dont swap out

[hidden bison]

Raichu/Victreebell would be pretty good

not the most defensive mon

but its gonna have good atk and sp.atk

[fierce zenith]

yeah, problem with mareep line is getting it

when does a stat go from okay to good

[hidden bison]

over 100

[fierce zenith]

okay

[hidden bison]

if a stat is over 100 its good

if its over 120 its rly good

we are talking about BST here

not the stats you see ingame

[fierce zenith]

yeah

[hidden bison]

well even if you have around 90 in a stat its not bad

as long as its not below 85

[fierce zenith]

85 hp
78 atk
85 def
113 sp. atk
90 sp. def
52 speed

for Ampharos/vileplume

okay

[hidden bison]

its pretty good actually

it has good defenses and great sp.atk

you will not be using phys moves

so atk does not matter

spd is its only downfall

[fierce zenith]

yup

[hidden bison]

but it has enough bulk to survie 1-2 hits

[fierce zenith]

yeah but its basically the issue with the 2 member they have 50 and 55 speed

[tepid sable]

I've never actually checked, what are the stats for my Clefable/Tangrowth?

[hidden bison]

hmm sec ill see

it should be pretty strong tho

yep its pretty good

[tepid sable]

It's fun to play with
The downfall is that a lot more NPC pokemon use Poison-type moves than I had realized.

[hidden bison]

well poison is one of the most common gen 1 types

[tepid sable]

Not wrong.

Literally half the Poison-types currently in existence are Gen 1

[hidden bison]

yep

most grass types are part poison

lots of pure poison types

nido lines

lots and lots

bugs

etc.

[fierce zenith]

This is what im thinking for a team currently

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1EHhuKus7uCv9y1XVyMXVUMI6AE7D3CUaiHOBz3cOcnQ/edit?usp=sharing

[hidden bison]

man you made a whole table for your team

[fierce zenith]

yeah

im also the kind of person that builds dnd characters for fun

[hidden bison]

i see

well if planning is as much fun as playing

i dont see a problem with that

[fierce zenith]

good, cause i would do it anyway.
also for this team i think i need a fire attacker and then i want to mix that with something that negates a lot of its weakness, without adding on a bunch

[hidden bison]

https://pkmn.help/

you are welcome

[paper ether]

@fierce zenith I do that too, making d & d charecters for fun I mean

[fierce zenith]

i used that already, that is how i decided on some of these typings but not sure for fire combo what to do

nice @paper ether

btw, you can comment on the document in the document

[paper ether]

oo

[tepid sable]

If you're bent on not repeating any types, you could do Ground, leaving you with 2 weaknesses, 5 resistances, and an Electric immunity.
One of those weaknesses, however, is 4x to Water.

[fierce zenith]

thats fine, just makes my noctwrath very important for beating ground attackers

ground is probably going to be the body

but that also means, unless i find a decent special attack ground, imma wanna go with like fire punch for my move, cause physical attacker

[hidden bison]

who is gonna be the Fire head ?

[fierce zenith]

arcanine probably

ugh rhyhorn line is ground rock, thats is no help

imma compare sandslash, golem, and donphan

arcanine/golem

[hidden bison]

golem gives pure rock

[fierce zenith]

fuck

i forgot about that

[hidden bison]

donphan is the best choice

by far

[fierce zenith]

yeah then donphan

[hidden bison]

arcanine has good phys atk

you can make it a phys atk mon

[fierce zenith]

yeah got that

90 hp
117 atk

[worn bison]

what about mamoswine

[spring mesa]

Unless you want Sword Dance

[fierce zenith]

107 def
87 sp.atk
73 sp.def
65 speed

[hidden bison]

ye mamoswine is great too

Steelix is also

Steel/Ground

so body is ground

[fierce zenith]

97
123
80
90
73
85

vs

90
117
107
87
73
65

for mamoswine vs donphan

order is hp,atk,def,sp.atk,sp.def, speed

for steelix body

85
93
160
85
75
52

all seem like good choices

steelix is probably easiest to get

[spring mesa]

Intimidate + 160 defense

[fierce zenith]

oh goodness, they are getting no where anytime soon

[spring mesa]

• burn status, good physycal tank

[fierce zenith]

yeah at that point its just burn them and wait, esp if i can get a heal move

[spring mesa]

Morning Sun egg move

Nothing else

[tepid sable]

Plus, its attack is actually plausible.

Choose Mamoswine if you want to hit hard, Steelix if you want to survive against most attacks.

[spring mesa]

Curse + Extremespeed

[fierce zenith]

Why are those to moves a good combo?

[spring mesa]

Priority

[fierce zenith]

Oh, boost my attqck and ignore my speed

[sullen cypress]

With the electric poison u could go with like weezing for levitate to ignore the 4x ground. Or u could use magnet rise (move)

Nidoking might also be a nice ground body to use.

[fierce zenith]

yeah, though with the exception of ground attacks, im better off with electric/poison than with electric/ground for resistances

and i get good spec attack, but i dont have the speed to hit a ground with a grass move before it attacks

[sullen cypress]

??? Thought u wanted a fire attacker? And we're thinking of arcanix? I was recommending nidoking for ArcaKing.

Weezing was for your poison typing with electric to negate it's x4 weakness to ground by having levitate.

[fierce zenith]

oh sorry, i thought you were talking about a nidoking body for the electric

[fierce zenith]

i imagine a noctwrath, as basicly jumping up in the air, and slaming its head down to do peck

[sullen cypress]

It'll get sky attack that would suit your imagination better xD

[fierce zenith]

haha

[hidden bison]

It can learn sky attack from the relearner

Even at a low lvl

[fierce zenith]

Ob sweet ill do that cause peck aint that great

[flint loom]

My Dinner look so sad...

[hidden bison]

WT ?

[flint loom]

nope, just a regular magicarp + hoot hoot that I caugh following my nuzelock

[hidden bison]

why dinner ?

[flint loom]

It was originally the name I gave to the magikarp. I kept it

my togepi fusion is called breakfast

[hidden bison]

😄

[flint loom]

I still need to find a lunch

[fierce zenith]

its a male mom

[crude sinew]

ur mom male

[fierce zenith]

im fighting math

[sullen cypress]

Oh look I made that noctwrath xD

[fierce zenith]

😄 yeah, it looks good, also is huge

thanks again for making it

does magnemite still show as electric/steel even though it is treated as steel/electric?

[sullen cypress]

Unfused it's electric/steel I believe. Only fused it's swapped

[fierce zenith]

okay, cool

[fierce zenith]

so what happens if I fuse a lvl 1 with a lvl 30?

[bright finch]

lvl 30

It never lvl down

In a fusion

[fierce zenith]

okay, and does it get to learn all the moves the level 1 would have on the way to lvl 30?

[bright finch]

Don't think so

[fierce zenith]

does the move reminder work on it?

[bright finch]

Never tried

[fierce zenith]

hmm

[simple osprey]

it should get all the moves

[fierce zenith]

okay, but maybe i should get it to lvl 25 first, cause bw2 learns gigadrain way early

[hidden bison]

the move reminder should work on it but the moveset changes from b2w2 to bw

[fierce zenith]

i know

so i think im going to level up it first though, cause gigadrain at 25 vs 43

[hazy quest]

fixed the lickitung/shelder fusion

now it only has 1 toung

[sullen cypress]

Few pink pixels

[hazy quest]

there crumbs from the crabby it ate

[velvet mango]

lickitung shellder deserves 2 tongues

i just slapped a dunsparce on a ho oh

now i just got to get it to 99 to get sky attack 😛

at least its sacred fire will burn 100% of the time

[velvet mango]

i suppose i could use the move much earlier if i went with noctowl

or togekiss

[dusky ore]

ok so

I have a marill

and I want to fuse it with something, and lose the water typing

which side gives secondary typing?

[worn bison]

it's water fairy so body

but

you cant learn play rough

[dusky ore]

wHy

[worn bison]

bcuz it's not in the game

[dusky ore]

since when?

[worn bison]

never was since it's mostly 5gen movepool, with SOME fairy moves added

[dusky ore]

well then, I guess itll be a specia attacker

I mean

it has garbage stats in attack anyways

[worn bison]

anyway azumarill is useless without huge power

[dusky ore]

only good bc huge power

also, I swear Ive used play rough in this before

[worn bison]

and azumarill cant learn moonblast anywé

[dusky ore]

I swear on my life ive had play rough before

on a flareon/bellossom

and on an azumarill

[worn bison]

u crazy

[dusky ore]

no u

lmao

[worn bison]

shit

neither flareon or bellossom have huge power tho

[noble yarrow]

Azumarill does learn Play Rough. I am using one rn

[flint loom]

I am pretty sure I had playrough on a pokemon as well

in my first playthrough

[hidden bison]

wigglytuff and eevee get it too

[worn bison]

reeeeeeeeee

[crimson siren]

So, I have come to the conclusion that we need Garfield as a Pokemon now.

[worn bison]

kek

[flint loom]

nice artwork

[hazy quest]

heres all my sprite work ive done for my fusions in game

[paper ether]

@hazy quest Please move this to spritework 😃

[hazy quest]

they rold me to move it here

and now there in both, proabbly

[velvet mango]

imagine if we could somehow get second moves in a fusion - sniper + storm throw

also, old conversation, but @AceMcCrank#5502 you could always replace meowth sprites with garfield

[flint loom]

LOL

I never though of this before but.. do the second head eat ? I mean, they must have the same stomach right ? so whater ever one head eat, the other eat too. but the plant pokemon doesn't have a bec or teeth so the chance is it only can swallow things all. how does that work

[chilly void]

Drew a shnoz

Shnozes

[hidden bison]

Gigalith ?

[serene pond]

and

[hidden bison]

well its mostly Rhyperior

no mistaking that one

[serene pond]

Yea its with Gigalith

[fierce zenith]

can i get gastly's levitate on a fusion?

[worn bison]

that's the only ability so yes

[fierce zenith]

sweet hope i get it, cause then 4 immunities

[velvet dawn]

Was playing around with the fusion website, and I found this:

I really want one now.

[hidden bison]

well you can get it

😄

[velvet dawn]

theoretically at least, yeah

would it be any good in a fight?

[flint loom]

average at best I would say.

[hidden bison]

well Dark/Normal is not that bad

but fighting moves will kill you

4x weak to fighting

[flint loom]

yes but stats wise it would be average (maybe a little more defensiv that average)

I guess you could have stab last resort though. which isn't bad

[chilly void]

Somebody post the most hilarious sprite you have ever seen here

[chilly void]

Oh yes

Oh yes please

Luckily my randomised has nidoran f everywhere

[flint loom]

Lol, funny indeed

[hidden bison]

wasnt there a dugtrio version

[chilly void]

Yah. I was about to ask that

[hidden bison]

im pretty sure there was a dugtrio version

i feel like ive seen it

[chilly void]

hmm

In the drive maybe?

[hidden bison]

ye its probably in the drive

if its not in new numeration

its in the old one

[velvet mango]

Cute

[serene pond]

Ladies, Gents, Beanish, and Copters. I present to you, the Terabolt Titan, Zolurk

[worn bison]

is this pacific rim

[serene pond]

lol

[flint loom]

niiiice

[paper ether]

They need to put that in the next Pacific rim movie

[eternal steeple]

I hope someone makes a good sprite for feareotto/feareot someday, because I unfused mine just because it looked so dang ugly lol

[worn bison]

feareotto?

[hidden bison]

well i made a sprite for Pidgrow

so the other way around

since it has better stats

[worn bison]

ah ye

[eternal steeple]

Which is a shame though because feareotto actually gave pidgeotto physical moves to take advantage of pidgeotto's attack stat, and while I could re-fuse it the other way around... I want to make it something more interesting. Currently have venootto, venonat and pidgeotto, and I really don't like the double weakness to rock... But I don't really have anything better to slap onto it and I want to have pidgeotto as the body preferably as I like the body

...On a side note, I think so far my favorite two combinations for pokemon are polichu(poliwag and pikachu) and Ratking(raticate and nidoking). Ratking is just a match made in heaven. It looks amazing, has amazing physical stats... It's currently my best pokemon on my team. I need to find a good pokemon to fuse charmeleon to, stat, so that I can actually use him as he's my weakest now

[hidden bison]

well i have made the sprite as Pidgeotto/Fearow because it gets better stats that way

Fearow has better attack stat than Pidgeotto after all

and i used that mon so that is also a factor

in why i made that specific sprite

[eternal steeple]

Fair enough

[hidden bison]

its one of my old sprites

but it does not look too bad

[eternal steeple]

I might in the end, who knows. I just want to do something with different typings, besides pure flying. XD I already have a Pikaowl(Pikachu/noctowl) and it's just so dang good

[hidden bison]

do you have a bunch of flying types ?

[eternal steeple]

Not really. Let me look at my current team

In my current team, I have only one. Which is the pikaowl.

[hidden bison]

well then you dont rly need another one

[eternal steeple]

Charmeleon, butterdrill, Ratking, Glooslash, kadabra, and Pikaowl. And fair enough

[hidden bison]

ohhh

butterdrill

someone is actually using it

[eternal steeple]

mmmmhmmm

[hidden bison]

its far better than Beefree

[eternal steeple]

I love it

Butterfree head, beedrill body, and best of both worlds

[hidden bison]

yep

[eternal steeple]

relatively even attack/sp. attack stats

crappy defense but amazing special defense

[worn bison]

( call it drillerbutt )

[eternal steeple]

Nah :P

Glooslash is also amazing because it's got even higher stats than butterdrill

[hidden bison]

you gonna make Vileslash or Bellslash

[eternal steeple]

Bellslash

I want that leaf blade

[hidden bison]

oh Bellossom gets Leaf blade ?

never knew that

[eternal steeple]

At level 1 so only if you move rememberer

I'm waiting on it though because I want to get giga drain

If I evolve too early it'll lose that and most of its other options

The hard part is choosing what to fuse to charmeleon because at base, it won't learn too many more fire moves... I don't know if I want it as body or head yet.

[hidden bison]

Charizard should always be a Head

unless you are fusing it with a better head mon

[eternal steeple]

I also have a bulbtata from a trade in pc, alongside polichu(I seriously love the way it looks too much), wondertraded corchu, and a bunch of unfused pokemon I can't decide on fusions with

Deciding on fusions is haaard

I might fuse Oddish with a bunch of pokemon and make a team of oddish head fusions

The odd squad

...Oddish and vileplume. I'm doing it

Oddplume. A vileplume who just couldn't outgrow that derpy oddish face

[fleet adder]

^ sounds cute

[modest rock]

thearmy

[thorn wave]

This is little Rocky. He has grown up alot since I got him.

[hidden bison]

A Minotaur

[sullen cypress]

thats not generated sprite right? cause if it is, thats really nice lol

would be the best generated ive seen haha

[hidden bison]

it is the Generated sprite i think

actually im pretty sure it is

[sullen cypress]

i checked on the japeal site, yea it is the generated haha XD

[upper tendon]

nice

that should be a lvl 100 boss pokemon somewhere as a fully EV trained encounter

.>

that should make trainers go 'ohshit'

[craggy olive]

Thinking of fusing my Pidgeot with a Nidoking

[eternal steeple]

That would be cool

I'm considering what I might replace my pikaowl for if I replace it

[eternal steeple]

Oh god I think aesthetics-wise I regret everything, but I want that leaf blade... Sacrifices must be made.

[paper ether]

This looks sprited

[plucky panther]

how y'all getting second gen pokemon? haven't played in a while

[upper tendon]

4.0 playtest

check #announcements

[plucky panther]

thanks

second gen is already out?

[upper tendon]

mostly through randomizer

[plucky panther]

ohh

[tepid sable]

Most of them can be found ingame without randomizer

Almost every route has at least 1

[sullen cypress]

shedinja + ditto XD

transform wonder guard lol

[flint loom]

yeah but ditto only get 5pp of each move after transformation

[sullen cypress]

true... was trying to figure out a way to use a study combo on shedinja

was thinking a healing move + leftover XD

but i cant find a proper combo....

[flint loom]

what the point of having sturdy ? you won't have wonder guard then

or maybe I miss understood your message

[sullen cypress]

dont need wonder guard if u can constantly get full health lol

cause of its inherently low hp

[flint loom]

oh I did miss understood.

leftover + protect ?

[sullen cypress]

i was thinking leech seed + sturdy + leftovers

[flint loom]

and safeguard

[sullen cypress]

but nth will give leech seed and sturdy lol

[distant dagger]

Leftovers restore 1/16 or 1/8 of your HP I think, so even if you have sturdy and low HP, it wouldn't heal you up completely

Leech seed could work though

[flint loom]

what about potions instead of moves

[sullen cypress]

then how u gonna atk ?

[distant dagger]

Then you wouldn't be able to attack

[flint loom]

I mean instead of using a move to heal yourself, use a potion

it would be cheap with low hp

[distant dagger]

Well yeah, but then you can't attack the opponent

[sullen cypress]

but ull waste turns

[flint loom]

oh ok

What about the move 'engrain" or something?

[sullen cypress]

sturdy + giga drain + leftovers could work

ingrain and sturdy pokemon dont exist sadly

[distant dagger]

Ingrain also recovers a percentage of hp

You could fuse geodude with tangela

[sullen cypress]

and ingrain heals 1/16 leech seed heals 1/8

[distant dagger]

Pretty good typing, leech seed and ingrain if I recall

[flint loom]

but then it wont have wonder guard

[sullen cypress]

u wont have low hp tho lol

[distant dagger]

Oh yeah

Meh

[sullen cypress]

u cant have wonder guard and sturdy ... lol

[distant dagger]

Still an amazing physical tank that way

Imma try to sprite it

[flint loom]

strategy is hard ahah

[sullen cypress]

tanglem ?

[distant dagger]

Hol up let me get the calculator

[sullen cypress]

or a go growth

would be tanglem

hp from the tangrowth

[distant dagger]

Oh wow I've never looked at Tangrowths stats

He pretty good

[sullen cypress]

grass rock / rock poison

[distant dagger]

Tangrowth pure grass tho

[sullen cypress]

oh is it ?

[distant dagger]

So rock/grass or grass/rock

[sullen cypress]

lol then grass rock only then

[distant dagger]

And Tangrowth head is better in every way except 5 points in sp.def and 1 point in speed, but it has a 24 point higher bst

So yeah

[sullen cypress]

oh nvm tangela/tangrowth doesnt even have poison typing lol

[flint loom]

how sad

grass / poison is pretty good

[distant dagger]

Fun fact

In gen 1 bug was super effective against poison

So bug was 4x effective against Vileplume and such

instead of neutral

[sullen cypress]

in gen 1 wrap was the most op move XD

[distant dagger]

Dratini op starter

[flint loom]

gen1 hyper beam was really op too

you didn't had to re charge if you killed the oponent

so normal pokemon with a STAB hyper beam were super good

it doesn't work anymore sadly

[sullen cypress]

wait sturdy is geodude line 2nd ability so u wont get sturdy when fused? @distant dagger

[flint loom]

It might be an exception, I am not sure

you would have to test it to be sure

[distant dagger]

Pretty sure geodude gives sturdy as an exception, though I might be wrog

Wrog pls

[velvet dawn]

Quick question: is there a way to make sure that a pokemon keeps it's ability when fused?

[proud crane]

nope

[sullen cypress]

shedinja + forretress + pain split XD

[plucky panther]

Look at what I found

[paper ether]

GET

THAT

AWAY

REEEEEEEE

[plucky panther]

Accept it as your savior

I CAN TRADE FOR IT

RIP never mind

I am blessed

[paper ether]

EEEEEEEEEE

run

[wintry falcon]

wat u be using to take pics

[plucky panther]

My iPad

[eternal steeple]

Oh my lord that muk with grimer face...

[plucky panther]

Stare

[eternal steeple]

It's beautiful. The name especially. "Arrow used fly!"

[queen pumice]

Claydol'd hypothetically work pretty nicely as a body fusion for a pokemon. With levitate and psychic typing, it stops poison weaknesses, but leaves psychic weaknesses. Muk might pair well to make it quite defensible.

[distant dagger]

Doesn't psychic resist psychic?

[queen pumice]

Err, I mean the weaknesses that psychic type pokemon have

[distant dagger]

But psychic isn't weak to poison

Fairy is, so gardevoir and such are still weak to it though

[queen pumice]

I mean mainly dark and ghost

the ground/poison version would have better stats, but have more weaknesses

[sullen cypress]

as a body it will always be psychic, which would only give u resistance to fighting and psychic moves

ground poison would be head claydoll body muk

[queen pumice]

Yup. Muk had better phys stats, caydoll has better special stats. Dunno how their movesets would help, but acid armor alone could make it a great wall generalist

[sullen cypress]

^ this sentence counters your first sentence lol. i agree with this sentence above tho lol

[queen pumice]

Muk has a body conveys poison, claydol as a head conveys ground, so ground/poison has the better stats, but the other way around, poison/psychic, helps resist the glaring weaknesses of water and psychic, common heavy-hitting types. Still, cool stuff either way, just ignoring ground for a poison type. Speaking of, Magnemite might fuse well w/ muk

Nvm

[willow ingot]

@upper tendon fuse larvitar and sunkern

and take this xd

[flint loom]

Noice !!

[acoustic crater]

👌🏿

[chilly void]

Oh yes

Puts that thing in spritework

[velvet dawn]

I find the fact that this exists hilarious

[upper tendon]

what IS it?

[sullen cypress]

Moltress spheal

[leaden kayak]

:pogchamp;

[acoustic crater]

Molteal?

[dreamy kernel]

i loki died when i saw this

[hidden bison]

she wants to trade for it after you beat her too

[flint loom]

But she want a pokemon with the same name right ?

[hidden bison]

nah i think she just wants a mon over lvl 34 or smth like that

its a Meowth/Kabuto

[worn bison]

looks god but you should edit in the original size, or else you get issues with pixels

I did exactly that on my first with paint.net, putting a giant res instead of zooming lol

[modest rock]

i like looking god

[left peak]

can we insert these fusions in the game as well?

[hidden bison]

which fusions ?

Ferrothorn is not ingame

so you can insert the sprite in place of another mon

[left peak]

wrong tab, was looking for the fanmade sprites of in game mons

[hidden bison]

This is most adorable fusion ever

[velvet dawn]

@hidden bison it looks like it's made of jagged ice...

[hidden bison]

insulting dranter, destroyer of gods, eater of worlds, galactus in a pokemon form

@velvet dawn die

[velvet dawn]

😦

I think a jagged ice monster is cool....

[velvet mango]

clefairy+ambipom with minimize, flash, cosmic power and baton pass

[velvet mango]

ultimate defensive prepper

can evolve to clefable after you get cosmic power

[hidden bison]

@velvet mango

Taunt

[velvet mango]

in doubles i guess

but, meh

doubles is pointless

in this game anyway

[hidden bison]

Tbh

A better set would be

Minimize/Magic coat/Cosmic Power/calm mind/another set up move /Baton pass

[worn bison]

minimize and flash affect the same stats so just minimize will do

[sullen cypress]

flash is their accuracy minimize is your evasion tho ?

[worn bison]

it affect the same thing the way the game calculates it

going to +6 with minimize is cancerous enough lol

[sullen cypress]

so its not +12 ? since its the same stat but accuracy and evasion are 2 different things XD

[worn bison]

ye it's not x)

[velvet mango]

porygon z + mew was able to 1 shot the 38 golwrath at level 27 with psychic

and since mew is traded body he's levelling so fast

i gave him 5 strong special attack moves and conversion

hes got adaptibility as his ability

so he can get stab from any ove and learn anything from a TM

[timid garden]

@worn bison do you have a source for that bc that makes no sense

[velvet mango]

evasion is a stat of the user, accuracy is a stat of the target

you can +6 evasion and -6 their accuracy

at the same time

but reading up on it they do effect the same modifier

stage multiplier maxes at +6 and -6

and is determined by subtracting evasion from accuracy + 1, i assume

otherwise the multiplier would be 0

or some if check to ensure you dont get 0 from the subtraction

but hes not wrong, they cap at 6

https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Statistic#Evasion

[velvet mango]

blissey+gengar with curse, softboiled

even at half hp the thing has a ton of hp

[worn bison]

my source is MaitreArmand

and the formula

[eternal steeple]

It's a thing of beauty sniffs I don't regret turning Ratking into this, it's beautiful

[sullen cypress]

hmm is it generated sprite ?

[eternal steeple]

Yep

totally worth the grind it took

[craggy olive]

Ooooh shit

Thats a good idea im gonna deconstruct my Mabuto and make one of those

[raven temple]

Gengar+Omastar+Dialga=Omagar

thought this looked pretty cool to be honest. Duskull,Mewtwo,Absol. its off the generator not the game. obviously.

[hidden bison]

Dusknoir head makes some mons look like robots

You can give it a steel type coloration too

In the generator

[raven temple]

ohh cool.

[flint loom]

it is not bad indeed. Almost like mewtwo is possessed by the dusknoir

[raven temple]

😄

[leaden bronze]

Can you play a 3.0 game and a 4.0 game and not have it overwrite the save or will it do that automatically?

[sullen cypress]

it does it automatically

its both in the same save spot

but u can have sort of like seperate backups which u can manually replace

[leaden bronze]

Yeah, that is what I have been doing in the "Saved Games" folder

thank you

[sullen cypress]

walmance isnt that bad tbh lol

[worldly cove]

Ok

I <3 the idea

[sullen cypress]

but im pretty sure token will have a blast doing em XD

[worldly cove]

Yep

[hidden bison]

folks, remember when you vote

funny faces are good hee hee

i know mawile isn't very good pre mega

but it's terrifying as a head

[pure dove]

Would a Tyranitar Steelix fusion be good?

[tepid sable]

If Tyranitar is the head, it'll be Rock/Ground.

[pure dove]

is there a way to make it rock/steel then?

[hidden bison]

no

[quiet stream]

magenmite and the like are treated as steel, aren't they? almost specifically so gen 1 has steel that could be spread around. though, for rock/steel it'd need to be tyranitar head on magenmite body...

[flint loom]

na, they have both types

[quiet stream]

ah, nevermind, thought i seen that magenmite was treated as steel only in the fusion thing, might've msitaken that for geodude/onix being rock 100%

well, at least anything with a magnemite face will be steel. though you'd need the second type for the body to be fitting whatever you wanted.

[quiet stream]

is there a fusion calculator liek it seems ruch posted, or did je just do that really quickly in excel or something?

[flint loom]

there is few fusion calcultator .
The first one is on the drive of pokemon infinit fusion ( https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0Bx5WTzAX8jMnZUkta1hWRjlSMFU )
The one I used (well, a copy of it) is here https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10XGFUSyw07qz4gD6l10QTrwy-vFKBV7fRpcv1GgAZbA/edit?usp=sharing

(I used the second sheet 'in column' )

[quiet stream]

thanks

[jade crow]

Op Wonder Guard

[flint loom]

bug / dark ? lot of weakness.. But maybe umbreon bulk would be enough to make it work

[bright finch]

Wouldn't that be dark/ghost?

[jade crow]

it's what I expect, so his only weakness would be fairy

[tepid sable]

It'd be Dark/Ghost, lol

[flint loom]

ah. ok, my bad x)

I forgot that thing was ghost

[acoustic crater]

Only weakness is Fairy.

Thanks, Game Freak

[hidden bison]

Gg

[modest rock]

this is nice

[paper ether]

oooo

[modest rock]

wh

[paper ether]

that last one

is just sad

[paper ether]

wut

Warturtle, Septile, Rotom?

[hidden bison]

thas grovyle

[chilly void]

No he obviously said SEPTILE which means it has a letter missing. Which means SEPTILE is a underdeveloped sceptile so that means it is a grovyle
which means he was correct

[paper ether]

lol

[chilly void]

Btw it's spelt Wartortle

[paper ether]

Im not good w/ remembering pokemon names, well how to spell that at least

[hidden bison]

no its actually spelt squirtlewithwings

dwadswaswddawsd

[eternal steeple]

Wow, looking at all the generated sprites for scizor's head, it REALLY doesn't go well with anything as the head...

I only want the head for the typing, though... I want to keep that steel and make a steel/ground or steel/rock

...WAit, I'm a dumbo

I thought scizor was steel/flying, ignore me

[worn bison]

everyone, laugh at him !

[eternal steeple]

Shaddup

I never use scizor

[paper ether]

he/she was joking

[eternal steeple]

yessssss

[mellow flame]

😄

[compact junco]

HEY ARE THERE SHINY POKEMON?

IN POKEMON FUSION?

[eternal steeple]

Caps lock, and yes, there are.

[compact junco]

Oops, can I show me a shiny one if you have one?

@eternal steeple

[eternal steeple]

I don't

and starting in version 4.0 they don't have shiny sprites, just the sparkle

if I recall correctly

[compact junco]

Oh

[paper ether]

The game crashes if u encounter one

guess what

I found a shiny pinecone once

I was so sad

I would have had a shiny pokemon, rip

[velvet dawn]

OH

So that wasn’t a coincidence

It was not fun to find my first shiny and then have the game crash... >_<

[hidden bison]

The game does not crash on shiny mons on the latest patch

They just dont have shiny sprites

[slim bridge]

speaking of shinies, do they have the same chance of appearing as in other games?

I found and caught a shiny squirtle like an hour after I started a game

[hidden bison]

They are rare

You are lucky

[paper ether]

I found a shiny pineco within like 5 mins of starting my randomizer, but my game crashed

😦

[distant dagger]

With the newest update it shouldn't crash

[paper ether]

ik

it was when I like first got it

[distant dagger]

Sunflora but it's worse

[leaden kayak]

It can explode

[distant dagger]

It can die from a ground type move

[craggy olive]

Any way for me to unfuse traded stuff? i just beat the 8th gym so i wanna see if there is any way to

[tepid sable]

Super splicers can be bought at Silph

[craggy olive]

Sweet

thanks

[eternal steeple]

I'm actually kind of disappointed right now, I don't want to break apart my Bellossum/Sandslash fusion, but it's got so few moves it can learn that actually fit with its stats...

Which is more in part due to the sandslash part

I'm also at a point where grass isn't that useful except for when I'll fight giovanni, but right now I'm going up against sabrina

Does anyone have any ideas for what I could use against her fusion-wise?

I've already got a Hounine, Alaizard, rhyzor(still working on evolving it to rhyperior), beebat(bug/flying, could work), and one last one that I forget. It's a great team.... But her alakazam fusion is too OP

[bold sinew]

@eternal steeple dark/bug?

[eternal steeple]

Possibly. I don't know what would be a good bug type for it though

A lot of bug types are combo types and they usually only have bug as the primary type, and same for dark for a lot of pokemon

[bold sinew]

Heracross persian

?

[eternal steeple]

Maybe. I don't know where to get a heracross though.

[bold sinew]

Are you in the 4.0 beta?

[eternal steeple]

Yes

[bold sinew]

There is a trade in the safari zone

[eternal steeple]

Ahhh

[eternal steeple]

Just ran into this dude. First reaction is an exeggcute that got a posse of other individual exeggcutes and became a gangster

[slender sigil]

powerful

[night blaze]

Majestic

[topaz dawn]

❤

[spare dirge]

This needs some explaining I fused two raticates together and it made this

[chilly void]

Looks nice

[worn bison]

that's just what happens when you fuse the same mon

also it seems you dont have the fonts installed h2d2, you can find them in the game folder

[hidden bison]

Thats what happens on 3.1

[lost wyvern]

just an early game placeholder flying type for now

[flint vortex]

It looks good tbh

[lost wyvern]

sprite is a wee bit better than the opposite fusion

[flint vortex]

Yea

[lost wyvern]

better stats too

albeit this one has modest but w/e

[flint vortex]

What does evolved look like though?

[lost wyvern]

i'll post it when i get it i suppose :P

[flint vortex]

Am I strange for wanting this?

[flint loom]

You would be strange not to

[lost wyvern]

nah lol

[flint loom]

"-guys, it's not funny anymore, you know my fin can't reach my head. Take that iron thingy off !"

[lost wyvern]

uhhhhhhhh

odd sprite

seems like a fast bugger

pure poison is a bit disappointing/concerning

[flint loom]

it should bcome poison/ground in it's final form

[lost wyvern]

probably yea

[flint vortex]

T h i s I s n t e v e n m y f i n a l f o r m

[craggy olive]

How does Eviolite interact with fusions again?

[hidden bison]

as long as it can evolve

it gets the bonus

even if one half is fully evolved

[hidden bison]

fuse chansey with blissey ez 👌

[flint loom]

That would be a bit anoying to handle. It would try to evolve after each level up (except if you give it the stone that prevent that but then you wouldn't be able to give it more interesting items). Well, it it's happy I mean. But that's not an hard thing to achieve without even trying

[flint vortex]

My mom

[flint loom]

you mom is a male disapointed sheep ? Tough luck

[lost wyvern]

hes got modest nature which is bad but just a placeholder for now

[modest rock]

oh i love but..

the wings

[lost wyvern]

yeah idk why its pink lmao

i think its cause of the beak but ye

[lost wyvern]

its got a double crest lol

no pink wings anymore tho

[velvet dawn]

Proposal: tangela/seel with both aqua veil and ingrain

[fathom venture]

I just thought of an idea for the most broken fusion of all time

mr mime and tangela

not tangrowth

b

because it gets evioliote boost

that would make it insanely powerful

[velvet dawn]

Does engrain heal the same amount as leech seed? Or is it less?

[hidden bison]

alot less

unless you have a chancey head

ingrain and aqua ring are like leftovers and heal you based on your HP

leech seed heals you based on the enemy's HP

and it takes a larger amount

[velvet dawn]

Bulbapedia says the fraction is 1/16 either way

So presumably it depends if your enemy has more or less hp than you

[velvet dawn]

Wait, that was in first gen

It’s 1/8th

My bad

[velvet dawn]

Is voltorb a decent head?

[modest rock]

looking wise

no

[worn bison]

stat wise it's only good for speed

[velvet dawn]

I made a voltorb machop

I like its move set, but it keeps dying in two hits

Probably just needs more levels

[modest rock]

oo what does it look like?

[hushed meadow]

No gaurd fissure kinda stuff is def possible

[lost wyvern]

water/ground type

was tempted to give dragon dance or maybe even signal beam but sludge bomb was better tbh

it was a damn chore to work with this thing when it was a nidoking and horsea

[hidden bison]

well its a special attacker so no point in Dragon dance

[lost wyvern]

yeah lol

[lost wyvern]

will have a better moveset later on in life, i think it gets discharge soon-ish and thunderbolt TM isn't too far away

gotta get energy ball TM too :/

[fathom venture]

nice love seeing custom sprites in game

[flint loom]

Noice

[worldly cove]

I've done this long time ago

[velvet dawn]

@Alfă#0757 Cute!

...also oddly similar to my first pif playthrough. I had a Mr. Bat who I caught and fused on route one who was with me all the way

pink clown bat

It absolutely shredded team rockets, being strong against both poison and bug

No

I wanted to have a charmander venomoth

But by the time I could actually find a venonat, I decided to wait for a better fusion

My charmander basically stayed in the PC the whole game

I eventually fused with the lapras you get

But I didn’t bother to level it up, and I ended up not using it then either

[flint loom]

that's the biggest issue with pokemon game in general I think. Most of the time you end up using the pokemon you catch early in the game. It's not that you don't like other pokemon but that you spend so much time waiting for "something good" that when you get it it's an hustle to leveling up

In one of my let's play, I finished the playtest without even having some of my pokemon fully evolve because It was too annoying to leveling them up and I endup only using 1 or 2 pokemon

I ddidn't record them

well, it's more a word I use to say a full game

I have not master english enough to know all the thing I want to say in the way I want to say them

That sound about right

[hidden bison]

Ivybok

Its a generated sprite

Not a custom

There are some that fit quite well

Well there are so many fusions in the game its only natural for some to look good and some to look rly bad

Polybra

:D

Hmm if you had fused it the other way around it would be psychic/fight with a chance to have water absorb as its ability

And it would have better sp.atk

If you like it like this keep it

Its not a bad mon either way

At lvl 40 it will become Polykazam

No trade evos in this game

I did not change anything

schrroms works on the game

He did it

Yep

I use a few

Piskel,Ms Paint and Paint.net

Depending on what i want to do

As far as i know next update will not include new mons

It will finish the main story

So you will probably be able to fight the champ

[distant dagger]

A lot of Zubat fusions look like they're screaming for death

[marsh zenith]

And I gladly grant it

[distant dagger]

This one just looks really proud of itself

[worldly cove]

@hidden bison I don't have the HootHoot Mr Mime one

But I Have done this one

[lost wyvern]

miiiight replace my Kingking (Kingdra/Nidoking) with this

524 compared to 518

more HP, much more physical defense/definitely more of a physical attacker than a special one

albeit 65 speed and pretty low special defense

that and the dragon pulse is all i'll really miss out on

i dunno tho

[flint loom]

well, 65 speed is pretty low. dragon dance can help you with that (be carefull of the spe attacker though)

after two dragon dance you should be quicker than most opponent though (and really strong)

[lost wyvern]

considering the hp, it might be able to tank most special attacks that hit it

dragon dance could definitely help yeah

[worldly cove]

Thanks

[boreal valley]

did someone ever think about how Shedinja's ability will be if it fuses and becomes something like ghost/normal or ghost/dark wich only have 1 weakness

[flint loom]

Yeah, it would be overkill. and it would have more than 1 health

[boreal valley]

😃

something like Blissey/shedindja

normal ghost

o wait

nevermind

fk

its been to long

i forgot almost all the fusion effects and stuff

meh

[hidden bison]

it will be normal ghost

[rapid sandal]

ok

[fathom venture]

ok

[modest rock]

pernub sounds like a really bad site

[distant dagger]

Or a really good one

[fathom venture]

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[hidden bison]

Pernub should be a Hamster pokémon for reasons

[hidden bison]

http://pokefusion.japeal.com/410/372/0 bazingo

[blissful ginkgo]

it looks really angry

[proud crane]

I would be too

[fathom venture]

yeah

who wouldn't

[blissful ginkgo]

good point

[velvet dawn]

For whenever I manage to get a Forretress, which would make a better head to fuse it with: Noctowl, or Weezing?

(I was originally going to make it the body for my ivysaur, but I've already got a grass type I really like...)

[fathom venture]

hmm