cteam galvantula by running stall
#showdown-teambuilding
snow pike
any good defensive registeel flying/steel type fusions?
quiet salmon
moltres
compact pebble
so, all i need to finish my mono steel team is a strong offensive mon, not sure if it should be a physical mon with metagross or a special one with mangezone
quiet salmon
you could put metagross dhelmise last ig
snow pike
klinklang dhelmise is good too
quiet salmon
sounds fake
compact pebble
i already have kklang scyther
snow pike
sounds fake
slightly weakter than metahelmise but has shift gear
moltres is prob better here right
regimega seems more like a bulky setup mon
compact pebble
maybe ill bring back sylveon mangezone
quiet salmon
what is a steel flying with no recovery
compact pebble
what moves should i give my sylvzone outside of hyper voice and flash cannon?
maybe wish? or maybe a 4 attack av set?
quiet salmon
it doesnt sound like a good mon in the first place
what else do you have on your team
quiet salmon
id rather metagross dhelmise
compact pebble
im still not sure how i feel about that 4x fire weakness
snow pike
i just realied it is mono steel
compact pebble
yeah
im slow;y working on making mono teams for every type, it just takes time and help from those more skilled competively
snow pike
in this case i think a ghost steel is helpful vs fightign types
compact pebble
well, except bug, we decided it isnt worth it
i got a ghost steel in chandelure probopass
well, lets move on to the fairy team
snow pike
timid scarf sylvern?
compact pebble
i guess modest might be better
quiet salmon
timid scarf is valid depending on whether you hit certain speed tiers
snow pike
certain orbs
compact pebble
modest reaches 303, timid reaches 333
snow pike
idk i dont know anything faster than sylvern that uses scarf
snow pike
oh yea
garvile?
quiet salmon
ive never heard of that mon
snow pike
garchomp weavile
but basically most fast garchomp dd fusions
i need a good fighting type for my team
snow pike
weavile will always be a glass cannon
quiet salmon
i said nothing about glass cannon
i was talking about how dragon ice was a bad offensive typing
snow pike
has eq to hit steeks
steels
wait nvm i may have used salamence
because moxie
yeah salamence is better
something like this
quiet salmon
weak stabs
upper granite
something like this
Doesn't weavile get icicle crash
honest umbra
It does get it
but the egg move tutor is slightly bugged
so weaviles suffer
fuckin sucks
gusty burrow
Weavile is required to arbitrarily lose a STAB move every generation
honest umbra
need a toxic spike lead help
compact pebble
ok im back, time to get back to fixing the fairy mono
compact pebble
https://pokepast.es/30c707b95416e796
i know theres somthing wrong with it, im just not sure what needs fixing, the sylveirn wasa changed to be modest
gentle pine
need a toxic spike lead help
Pex + _______
Maybe Registeel?
Steel/Water
could also do Steel/Poison if you're willing to play around ground 4x
It'll also give you Haze, should that become necessary.
gusty burrow
Registeel/Toxapex is great
compact pebble
https://pokepast.es/305b87c776c3c78b i need to fix my poison mono team. partially cause i dont have a ground counter to start with
gentle pine
https://pokepast.es/305b87c776c3c78b i need to fix my poison mono team. partiall...
Welp. Levitate or flying.
Or just something that will outspeed and definitely kill in 1 shot.
most ground types won't be fast, but there are certainly some fast EQ users.
gusty burrow
DD chomp is fast
honest umbra
Wanted to use weavile
Was looking at mawile initially because it’s one of my favorite Pokémon
But Christ those stats are irredeemable
honest umbra
I love barely justifiable sets
ironically this isnt abjectly terrible because rock and flying arent super common and a ground resist isnt horrid
fire and steel are violations but like
still funny that one of the worst possible type combos has some form of justification for existing
serene lichen
I love barely justifiable sets
you need some serious stealth rock removing to support this cause the sash is useless if you come in at 50%
fallow merlin
rocks = death yea
honest umbra
eh just pretend it's a life orb i dont have the energy rn
honest umbra
rocks = death yea
bug and ice type woes
still an entertaining set because of weavile having not shit stab
fallow merlin
bug and ice type woes
yea... its not the worst idea though. Ive only just started looking at comp on this tho, ive only built my first team fairly recently
honest umbra
it's mid
I assure you it's horrid
it's not fast enough to threaten stuff without scarfing
fallow merlin
it's not fast enough to threaten stuff without scarfing
true true
Run sticky web tho and maybe it could work
honest umbra
and it fails to outrun noivern/porygonz
so it just kinda dies to a boomburst
though to be fair sylveon/noivern is much more popular
and when scarfed it outspeeds all of its sets
and has a good move
but checking one semi popular fusion just
isnt worth it
fallow merlin
though to be fair sylveon/noivern is much more popular
i had heard about running sylveon/noivern
Which is why i specifically avoided it
glisnite seems pretty good though, a little clunky to use but worth it
honest umbra
porygon isnt run as often because normal dragon getting walled by fairy/ghost sucks ass
fallow merlin
porygon isnt run as often because normal dragon getting walled by fairy/ghost su...
true, i actually am running a proygon-/kyurem but might drop it
honest umbra
I had an interesting run with a pory/hydreigon
was fun dropping the hardest draco meteors with a magnet pull and a fairy check
fallow merlin
well if i were to drop porygon-z / kyurem
what should i run instead? I can put my team up if you like
honest umbra
swapped it in favor of something else later
honest umbra
well if i were to drop porygon-z / kyurem
what should i run instead? I can put ...
put up your team
fallow merlin
Toxthorn (Toxapex) @ Black Sludge
Ability: Regenerator
Fusion: Ferrothorn
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
-Stealth Rock
-Baneful Bunker
-Leech Seed
-Gyro Ball
Zapzone (Zapdos) @ Leftovers
Ability: Static
Fusion: Magnezone
EVs: 252 Def / 4 SpA / 252 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
-Thunderbolt
-Flash Cannon
-Roost
-Thunder Wave
Kyugon-Z (Kyurem) @ Leftovers
Ability: Adaptability
Fusion: Porygon-Z
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
-Draco Meteor
-Tri Attack
-Nasty Plot
-Recover
Glisnite (Gliscor) @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Multiscale
Fusion: Dragonite
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 SpD / 4 Spe
Adamant Nature
-Dragon Dance
-Earthquake
-Acrobatics
-Extreme Speed
Togew (Togekiss) @ Leftovers
Ability: Super Luck
Fusion: Mew
EVs: 252 Def / 252 SpA / 4 Spe
Bold Nature
-Quiver Dance
-Photon Geyser
-Draining Kiss
-Defog
Slowlure (Slowbro) @ Leftovers
Ability: Regenerator
Fusion: Chandelure
EVs: 252 Def / 4 SpA / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
-Scald
-Flamethrower
-Calm Mind
-Recover
i could have put a ss but
Eh
fallow merlin
please use a pokepaste link next time
oh sorry i did NOT remember pokepaste exists
honest umbra
if it's faster than base 92 and invested into speed and either attack stats
you kinda just
lose
fallow merlin
i could bring a fire type with levitate instead of latios
honest umbra
ignoring that because ice type is still ice type
fallow merlin
kyugon-z*
honest umbra
you still lose to ground water
like really badly
porygon does not have the bulk
and everything else dies
fallow merlin
maybe what i should do then is swap what zapdos is fused with
maybe get flying/electric back since thats always what i had used defensive zapdos for anyway
fallow merlin
and drop kyugon-z for a fire type with levitate. Maybe a latios with something
fallow merlin
toxic heal is stupid good
i did want to run that but then realised it doesnt work with arcobatics
Ig i can run aerial ace.... or something else
fallow merlin
still loses to ground water
hmm
honest umbra
i did want to run that but then realised it doesnt work with arcobatics
Ig i ca...
when are you getting low enough to eat sitrus
get a water flying type
or something
ehh
actually dont
not enough electric resists nor a ground type
fallow merlin
yea, the electric immunity is probably the main reason i have gliscor if im honest
i could drop the slowlure for something else though to try and scramble together something that works
fallow merlin
rhyperior just be better outright
....i hadnt thought of that
fallow merlin
the main reason i was running dragonite was mostly for dragon dance, but sd would still work so like you're not wrong
honest umbra
i meant rhyperior/dragonite
ah
it loses acro
hm
alternatively you could just not run stab
fallow merlin
it loses acro
i feel like dragonite/gliscor isnt a terrible option but yes i def do need something for ground water
honest umbra
i mean flying isnt hitting anything particularly special
fallow merlin
alternatively you could just not run stab
i could bring crabhammer, protect etc
Acrobatics is good if i wanna try and sweep with it thought (although im not sure that's the best, i did just win a game with that)
honest umbra
or a fire type move to hit grass types
fallow merlin
or a fire type move to hit grass types
yea esp bc ferrothorn fusions are everywhere
honest umbra
no comment
k so
do something else with the zapdos and kyurem slots
my opinion on electric steel is pretty low because steel sucks offensively (kinda) and electric can get walled by ground, dragon or electric and its best ability cant be capitalized on (magnet pull)
2 of which are pretty meta defining as it stands
fallow merlin
do something else with the zapdos and kyurem slots
yea i can get far more useful than zapdos/magnezone
I mostly run defensive zapdos in gen 9 OU because its a strong electric type with no ground weakness, but i can probably get better electric/flying types or a better zapdos fusion
fallow merlin
my opinions on the mew are mixed
same tbh
honest umbra
but at that rate just drop the defog
you have two slots to put a solid rapid spinner
or defogger
and commit
tf is draining kiss doing anyways
fallow merlin
but at that rate just drop the defog
true, then i have no hazard removal but... yea ig just drop porygon-z/kyurem for rapid spin
fallow merlin
you have recover
good point
honest umbra
you have roost also
fallow merlin
and moonblast
yea this is not my finest work
honest umbra
also for the love of god why is chandelure on the slowbro
and why arent you using slowking
fallow merlin
and why arent you using slowking
idk, i had usually run slowbro on nat dex for teleport but thats just.. not.. useful here
Slowking is just objectively better
fallow merlin
doesnt slowking get chilly
yes
idk why, i preferred slowbro for a long time tho
fallow merlin
its particularly funny bc a bunch of teams just dont use the snow either
fallow merlin
dont do nat dex
i wasnt planning on it
honest umbra
I meant that i personally dont do nat dex
nat dex is a good format
too complicated for me so I've been borderline for awhile
fallow merlin
I meant that i personally dont do nat dex
i dont play it much, used to play AG but realised OU is just better
honest umbra
but thinkin about it
fallow merlin
too complicated for me so I've been borderline for awhile
i havent been ok with the lack of gholdengo tbh
i am a massive staller so gholdengo is on the majority of my teams
fallow merlin
yes thats... why i play it
honest umbra
but it can really suck
fallow merlin
idk why i just like stall teams
honest umbra
aye I cant judge the top players run stall teams
did you see the inaugaural tournment
fallow merlin
ive found since teal mask released people really dont know what to do about sinistha either
honest umbra
the finals lasted like a total of 250 turns or something
fallow merlin
did you see the inaugaural tournment
no i havent sadly
fallow merlin
the doc name LOL
honest umbra
this was several hours of my life
fuck ton of links
and some scuff
but that's all of the footage we have of the tournament
well I have
I have shared the doc
but it's not something i post much
fallow merlin
well thanks
Not sure ill look at it tho, at least not today
I can respect the effort though, this must have been actual hell to put together
honest umbra
i've been meaning to study the like losers finals, winners finals and grand finals for awhile
but I kept putting it off because the tournament happened during my midterms
got off topic
back to screaming at your chandelure pick
tf
fallow merlin
idk, i wanted water/fire
mostly bc this is the first team ive built i have zero experience and also no brain cells
honest umbra
ignoring that water fire is
fallow merlin
ive dropped that tho for a slowking, just looking at what i can throw at that (mostly thinking of typing)
honest umbra
ground water kinda just
is better
and there's mons with way better stats defensively to begin with
fallow merlin
true
Was looking at water/steel as well but ill probably go for water/ground
fallow merlin
and there's mons with way better stats defensively to begin with
true (toxapex)
honest umbra
true (toxapex)
I mean you already have a pex
fallow merlin
dunno if you like the ground weakness
its not great but toxapex defences are so broken that its worth it
fallow merlin
I mean you already have a pex
yea thats pretty true
honest umbra
but ground has some of the highest defense available
so you can fill in your weaker stat
maybe get a u-turner
and abuse it as a pivot with assault vest
it gets complicated past the stat total point
fallow merlin
but ground has some of the highest defense available
true
I was having a look at dropping the current toxapex set for a water/steel set instead tho on it
ground and electric weaknesses suck quite a lot but are both walled completely by glisnite, so its probably not a bad team core
honest umbra
i see
fallow merlin
- water/steel makes ice specifically very sad, although it doesnt fix the ice/ground issue
fallow merlin
ghost, fire, grass and dark can neutral hit your core
yea... ghost in particular i can see being a problem
honest umbra
freeze dry (for the like 2 mons with it) is going to hurt
honest umbra
yea... ghost in particular i can see being a problem
one singular normal type:
my more pressing concern is fire
fallow merlin
one singular normal type:
not wrong, porygon-z is already everywhere
honest umbra
mostly because A. v-create is the highest bp stab that doesnt nuke its users
and B.
sun
fortunately
we can probably solve this with the right mon and ability
also solar beam in sun
fallow merlin
we can probably solve this with the right mon and ability
flash fire would make fire types sad but the issue with that is that one of the few examples of flash fire i can think of is arcanine
which isnt useless but also isnt anything too crazy
honest umbra
chandelure:
fallow merlin
chandelure:
oh that too
fallow merlin
yea it would be, i still have another team slot after chandelure + whatever that goes with
honest umbra
violates the classic sun team abusers
fallow merlin
violates the classic sun team abusers
i like that idea ngl
honest umbra
base 115 spa isnt
great
to be fair
and you fear ghost so im not inclined to make a weak mon to it
though that mon is specific to fighting sun
it has no other purpose
a good grass/fire ignorer though
fallow merlin
and you fear ghost so im not inclined to make a weak mon to it
feels like the best option might be fire/normal, maybe chandelure/porygon-z (or porygon-2 for eviolite)
honest umbra
all im saying is
flash fire + stab and overheat
will probably kill something
assuming you like
land it
fallow merlin
will probably kill something
yea, then with the last team slot i can throw a ghost counter somewhere
honest umbra
oh yeah
fallow merlin
land it
when have i ever missed 90% accurate moves (has flashback to losing at VGC by missing 2 draco meteor in a row)
honest umbra
when have i ever missed 90% accurate moves (*has flashback to losing at VGC by m...
i meant getting flash fire triggered
fallow merlin
i meant getting flash fire triggered
that as well
honest umbra
i get it
still flash fire is a good way to A. deal with a threat
and B. potentially nuke a fucker
fallow merlin
ye its just about getting it in at the right turn which wouldnt be impossible by any means
honest umbra
also personally gonna push for a fairy/dark to fuck with dark types or knock off
or just a dark quad resist
because other a setup like ttar is going to hurt
fallow merlin
also personally gonna push for a fairy/dark to fuck with dark types or knock off
could drop mew/togekiss and run a dark/fairy for that
im not super attached to mew/togekiss as it is, only really good for quiver dance
fallow merlin
was thinking that i run skarmory/toxapex as the water/steel type. 148 Def is great, although it goes down to 94 SpD
fallow merlin
but assault vest and intimidate does supplement defenses nicely
feels like the type of thing that would be great in like UU or RU
honest umbra
was just entertaining myself
doesnt have knock off
so agaisnt fellow stall it cant really make meaningful progress
hydreigon gardevoir also amuses me coneptually
but that's my leaning towards offense
fallow merlin
but that's my leaning towards offense
with a slow pivot i wonder if it would be good, ill check what the stats are rq
fallow merlin
it has high spa but insufficient speed
yea thats not wrong
Maybe is viable with sticky web, but thats not what my team is
honest umbra
sticky web is kinda a gimmick
fallow merlin
it is a bit
fallow merlin
honestly im not a huge fan of it (although i did like being able to unironically use venusaur mega with it)
honest umbra
nor do bulky offense
fallow merlin
nor do bulky offense
or anything with levitate/flying type
fallow merlin
bulk can lose to set up so unaware would be a good utility
unaware + cosmic power/calm mind might be nice
honest umbra
just showing you part of a set that was used in the inaugural grand final
wait hol up
I think I have the team sheet for it
yep
dug this outta fuck off nowhere
the team is built around hymega btw
goal of the team was to eliminate its checks and let it run wild
fallow merlin
the team is built around hymega btw
yes i saw oblivion wing and was like "yeah thats the sweeper"
honest umbra
figured I'd mention it
for a lot of good teams snorcor or hymega are the big win cons
fallow merlin
the umgrigus seems like exactly the type of thing that would make it to a lot of my teams
honest umbra
depending on how you play anyways
regardless trainman is a much better builder than me
fallow merlin
for a lot of good teams snorcor or hymega are the big win cons
yea i got a look at snorcor already
i dont like it
honest umbra
so hopefully that can kinda help you with the sets you want
honest umbra
yea i got a look at snorcor already
i dont like it
I mean it is pretty meta defining
if you cant break it the game kinda just ends there
fallow merlin
I mean it is pretty meta defining
yea i didnt know it existed then proceeded to realise that no, i couldnt really hit it properly (then lost)
honest umbra
indeed
fallow merlin
its evil
honest umbra
would you care for a match agaisnt it
fallow merlin
would you care for a match agaisnt it
yes once i fix my team back up
honest umbra
I have to dig through an older team which has been collecting dust
but it should still be fine
(probably)
would love to see how it stacks up to my favorite team rn
though the team has issues because of how wild I went with some of the picks
so we'll have to see
fallow merlin
though the team has issues because of how wild I went with some of the picks
kinda like me rn
although not as bad
honest umbra
not gonna reveal the set for obvious reasons
but have fun trying to understand what went through my head
fallow merlin
Im not sure what possible use that could have
i was going to say unless it gets shell smash but thats gon
fallow merlin
it has **a** use
but is it a good one
fallow merlin
ok well now ive had my own idea of stupid
for a rapid spin mon
either donphan/clefable
or blastoise/clefable
For magic guard
why did i think this isnt useless? Not a clue
honest umbra
no comment
just use a regenerator
or a pixilate
to annoy ghosts
and to have the most secure possible hazard remover
fallow merlin
just use a regenerator
thats just better yea
honest umbra
ignoring death
fallow merlin
gotta say i dont like the amount of water and ground this gives but
Maybe donphan/slowking, good defences, rapid spin, regenerator
fallow merlin
im gonna just go for it
I still have 2 more team slots to mess with as of yes
honest umbra
might go take a nap
fallow merlin
stacking types is one of those no goes aint it
generally yes, although some people do the opposite where 3+ of their team members are the same type.
I usually avoid it but the idea is that your opponent probably brought a counter to, for example water types, but how will it go with 2 or 3 of them
honest umbra
generally yes, although some people do the opposite where 3+ of their team membe...
i meant stacking dual types
fallow merlin
might go take a nap
idk what time it is for you but either way thanks a lot for the help
fallow merlin
i meant stacking dual types
yea thats just 100% a nope
Although i havent done that, i got water/steel, ground/flying, ground/water
honest umbra
bring 2 steel waters and you're getting violated
it's 3 am for me
I just chronically cant sleep
fallow merlin
I just chronically cant sleep
well if you are gonna try and sleep then gl, thanks again though you've been a huge help
muted nimbus
I never build a team before, how did I do? still need to learn all the stuff
idk who to give the leftovers too, either ttar or starmie
quiet salmon
there is no item clause
muted nimbus
I‘ll let sand be then
quiet salmon
i helped another person with sand recently maybe itll help you too
muted nimbus
dd sacred fire is cool, should i go with inner focus or pressure
quiet salmon
fused with who
muted nimbus
ttar and entei
quiet salmon
if you choose either you lose sand stream
quiet salmon
sure
Ability: Mold Breaker
Fusion: Haxorus
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Sacred Fire / V-create
- Dragon Claw / Outrage
- Earthquake
- Dragon Dance / Swords Dance```something like this works better imo
youre not instantly beaten by waters
muted oar
sure
With V-create, do you have the speed to spare to lose 1 stage?
If you're at +1 with sacred fire you can start nuking stuff and burning whatever survives, with v create at +1 you risk going back to neutral and being outsped and dunked on
quiet salmon
its webs
honest umbra
was bored and was trying to think of ways to fuck with physical attackers on a personal level
I was thinking of trying to fit a taunt
but magma storm does trap them so they just have to accept fate
plus then I dont insta lose to a taunt
rocks weak does suck though
hazy crescent
any ideas for this https://pokepast.es/03562779dbf922ff
miss kou is doesn't really have the bst, and clef arcanine is kinda hard to switch in
quiet salmon
why are you using misdreavus
pseudo heron
was bored and was trying to think of ways to fuck with physical attackers on a p...
It’s 4x weak to rocks that gives so many problems for anything to try to be a consistent wall
quiet salmon
was bored and was trying to think of ways to fuck with physical attackers on a p...
enteihaxorus comes in and clicks ddance
why did you give it 4 hp so that it dies in 2 hits to rocks
spiral remnant
This is my IF Gen 7 AG team and I need a sixth. The rest of the team works really well but one of the pokemon I had was so toxic I decided to replace it, and I'm not sure what to include in its place
snow pike
i suggest using a different set for sylvern
specs with switcheroo perhaps
steel flying type maybe
Though you also don't have alot of knock absorbers
blisckle is but it doesn't have recovery here
replace brick break on slaking with close combat, it's slow and the defense drops won't matter that much if you go second anyways
spiral remnant
Thanks
snow pike
lot of normal types but you have resists/immunities, just be wary of mons with both fighting and ghost coverage
and fighting is not super common i feel like
quiet salmon
This is my IF Gen 7 AG team and I need a sixth. The rest of the team works reall...
dont use blissey shuckle
you need a way around shedinja + mbounce
pseudo heron
This is my IF Gen 7 AG team and I need a sixth. The rest of the team works reall...
No Wobceus bad team 
snow pike
Ho-Oh / something with sunsteel strike and regen
sunsteel specifically for shed
Make sure it has ways to hit common shedinja partners as well or give it uturn to build momentum when they predict you are using sunsteel strike
or just use stealth rock
blissey shuckle can do it but it's really passive
snow pike
makes sense
i suppose you could mold breaker or turboblaze whatever but that is a big sacrifice to make specifically for magic bounce, is there any ubers magic bounce mons?
honest umbra
enteihaxorus comes in and clicks ddance
in my defense, i did add reflect
honest umbra
yeah i got it
I mean i was just bored and clicking buttons to see what I could do
also
fire types arent exactly super common
too many mediocre options
primal orchid
seeing everyone's strategies in here is fun
snow pike
is this a good mon? And if so, should I switch the moves around?
lofty scroll
It could work, faster than other popular hydreigon combos and if you manage to get set up/back up to full health priority STAB O-wing could be pretty strong. You more commonly see Hydreigon/Yanmega w/Tinted Lens and Quiver Dance/Roost I believe (it's been a little since I last used it so could have moveset wrong).
quiet salmon
is this a good mon? And if so, should I switch the moves around?
yanmega is better bc no resistance owing is more valuable
snow pike
this has some immediate power but i forgot gale wings nerf was gen 7
which makes it not as good
maybe this is a better mon for natdex
lofty scroll
Yeah less Sp Atk more speed
snow pike
i meant fast power sorry
that doesn't make any sense
Lemme rephrase that
fast
priority
that's all i can manage 
something about when the team lacks speed
revenge killer
that
I think
honest umbra
gale wings is hard to abuse
quiet salmon
quiet salmon
can u change ur pfp u are scaring the hoes
honest umbra
real
quiet salmon
honest umbra
achieves the goal but like ghost/fairy isnt a bad type
and I can think of stuff like clefable doublade which just
doesnt care about flamethrower with nasty plot
honest umbra
dunno how to EV this but is this even workable as a concept
quiet salmon
no
honest umbra
I was messing with analytic sets because I've never seen it
quiet salmon
if ur gonna try analytic just use starmie
honest umbra
mostly because your options are mons with better options
starmie?
that speed stat combined with not the greatest offenses seems tough to make work in conjunction
honest umbra
what is starmie even chasing out
quiet salmon
things it hits super effectively
honest umbra
psychic sucks and water chases all of one viable type, because I dont count fire because it's basically entei only
honest umbra
it is a funny ability though
but yeah it's kinda just shitty sheer power
I was looking at it because magnezone has it
which means something slow with high special attack can use it
first thing I put together because slow + high special attack is actually a pretty tall ask for some reason
quiet salmon
theres no reason for this to run analytic over mg
honest umbra
magnet pull is a stupid good ability
and the other things holding analytic is the porygon line
which has adaptability
the recovery thing isnt exactly a hard fix
upper granite
i want pokemon with big numbers and big spammable stab
marowack bone club talon flame, flame wheel sd
gentle pine
isn't bone club banned?
upper granite
It is? I was using it like 2 and a half weeks ago
honest umbra
yeah that shit got banned
though I have zero understanding of wtf talonflame is there for
was looking into the best moves that can be boosted by sheer force and narrowed it down to focus blast, flare blitz and gunk shot (there's also axe kick and volt tackle but hitmonlee and raichu are mediorce)
I'd almost consider using this
if it had a better stab than liquidation (which isnt actually terrible but like I want big number) and didnt just eviscerate itself
oh yeah also water and dragon types just not caring
gunk shot sounds nice considering nidoking but nothing really works for a good speed tier
this also doesnt immediately offend me
oh yeah it also has fire blast which makes for a combination that exists decently for a balanced stab
ironically its triple fusion managed to be worse by merit of a lower special attack
and speed
and somehow not getting v-create even if that doesnt matter
quiet salmon
the recovery thing isnt exactly a hard fix
walled by steel
honest umbra
why I considered dropping psychic stab:
conceptually the funniest and worst big stupid stab
one could sneak a sheer force in the for big stupid number
but it doesnt achieve anything more that just life orb with a 120 bp
the 50/50 crit is a rather funny combo though
doesnt edge out boombursters though so it's back to the drawing board
blastoise has a very big stupid stab apparently
generally edges out sylvern and poryvern but doesnt have the speed stat to keep up with poryvern so it's still worse
can get rain boosted which can make for something rather decent
didnt know octillery had this but it's an option for like slightly better special
quiet salmon
22 spe is a terrible tradeoff for 7 spa
honest umbra
indeed
I still think octillery having water spout is goofy
even if makes sense considering the pokemon
honest umbra
funny
compact pebble
what would be a good bug combo for volc?
quiet salmon
why do you want bug
compact pebble
mono, duh?
quiet salmon
that wasnt obvious
i forgot who you were for a second youre the monotype person
idk use kyogre or something
compact pebble
good idea, rain would help against bugs weaknesses
what would be good for galvantula?
compact pebble
what would be a better abilty for yanmega? speed or tinted lens?
quiet salmon
tinted probably
compact pebble
i assumed so
yeah, im glad im making ag teams now cause i get to do cool stuff with slak and gigas amongst others
the only problem is finding a good body for mega, zam seems nice but way too frail
quiet salmon
zam is worse deo
compact pebble
ypu make a good point
now what do i do with gene
kingdra could provide solid synergy
quiet salmon
but bug dragon is bad
compact pebble
but its a bit of a power loss
quiet salmon
if anything lean into the download pivot thing gene does
compact pebble
maybe dialga head?
tho thats more special and im pretty sure dialga dosnt get volt switch
quiet salmon
you just uturn
genesect has never used physical atks
well iron head maybe
but to hit xern
compact pebble
and i get core enforcer for wonder gaurds
quiet salmon
scarf
compact pebble
thought so
Dialesect (Dialga) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Download
Fusion: Genesect
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Flash Cannon
- Core Enforcer
- Thunder
- U-turn
quiet salmon
more like flash cannon flamethrower ep uturn
compact pebble
rain
quiet salmon
you have to hit shed somehow
quiet salmon
only works in theory
if the mb mon beats the defensive core that supports shed and you have a sufficient improof
compact pebble
i imagined its only a good idea in therory, not in practice
quiet salmon
speaking of which idk if youve improofed your team
compact pebble
improofed?
compact pebble
that... is so lame
quiet salmon
where you build your team such that any imposter cannot profit off of your teammates
compact pebble
defenitly means no huricane on kyogre volca
quiet salmon
that doesnt hit anything in the first place
compact pebble
that too
glass vector
oh god i havent seen improofing since balanced hackmons
compact pebble
Volcaogre (Volcarona) @ Leftovers
Ability: Drizzle
Fusion: Kyogre
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Origin Pulse
- Ice Beam
- Bug Buzz
- Quiver Dance
quiet salmon
youre probably forced into max def bc otherwise hoohgroudon 2hkos you
compact pebble
and what would i get rid of for t hat?
quiet salmon
you just go 252 hp 252 def
252+ Atk Choice Band Groudon V-create vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Kyogre in Rain: 213-252 (55.4 - 65.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
at least you outspeed afterward but this is depressing
compact pebble
plus speed nature?
compact pebble
ogre
compact pebble
my dumb butt almost wants chandelure
quiet salmon
this really seems unsalvageable
compact pebble
whelp, thats bug types for ya
onto electric i guess cause i dont feel like working on the weak to fairy teams rn
i belive the correct awnser here is kyogre jolteon? or electrode?
wait, how does blue orb work on kyogre fusions?
i assume it just dosnt?
glass vector
you have to select "kyogre-primal" as one of the components and the held item HAS to be the blue orb
glass vector
ye primal groudon and kyogre work in nat dex ag
compact pebble
so what moves do i give my great ball of death other than volt switch andwater spout?
glass vector
scald would be good for whenever you're at low hp
glass vector
then might as well take origin pulse instead
quiet salmon
oops i forgot that existed
glass vector
speaking of shed, i've been messing around with nat dex ag (cuz im insane) and i found it. endeavor shedinja
9 Lives (Persian-Alola) (F) @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Wonder Guard
Tera Type: Ghost
Fusion: Shedinja
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Endeavor
- Toxic
- Parting Shot
- Shadow Sneak
wait what, that's the old one
quiet salmon
click toxic only to get bounced and die
glass vector
i have NEVER seen magic bounce in nat dex ag
quiet salmon
post elo
glass vector
you say that like there are enough people playing it to make a real ladder lmao
quiet salmon
its real in that there is a burgeoning meta
glass vector
one that i've never seen magic bounce used in
quiet salmon
how many games have you played
glass vector
quite a few
quiet salmon
im seeing 30 while i have 89
glass vector
cool?
quiet salmon
so i have more meta experience and know that mbounce is a staple for both supporting and beating shed
snow pike
is toxapex the best bulky water in if dex ou
scald spamming and regen
cuz i need a defensive water type
quiet salmon
slowking and slowbro are up there
snow pike
dunno what to fuse it with tho
vaporeon seems ok keeping the toxapex typing
but maybe theres something better?
compact pebble
what is the most common shed fusion?
quiet salmon
ferrothorn
snow pike
ive seen thorn
compact pebble
so steel ghost?
snow pike
steel bug
quiet salmon
bug steel
quiet salmon
useless outside of that
compact pebble
sadly gb dont get it
and its not like i can have a status considering im obviously gonna be choiced, likely scarf
snow pike
it might be gimmicky but you can run status moves on scarf
depends on how much you need it
compact pebble
the only good status move gb has is toxic, which obviously wont work
too bad madness wouldnt work
snow pike
do you need specficially this mon to be able to beat shedthorn?
snow pike
are these stats too low to be bulky in ou
compact pebble
i mean, i think its better than just quag
quiet salmon
for an unaware its a little lacking
compact pebble
now i need to find a good electric combo that has fire coverage
and either a flying or levitate mon
maybe a combo with gliscor?
dont know of any ele gliscor combos
snow pike
skarm is ok with wish support although I have yet to click toxic so maybe i'll change that
is clefchomp replaceable?
quiet salmon
probably
quiet salmon
passho is bad
run safety goggles or lefties
stone edge also doesnt hit anything wow/sd is better
compact pebble
why safety? spore?
quiet salmon
yeah
quiet salmon
solar beam sounds like a good way to instantly die to drizzle mons
compact pebble
fine, energy ball
i would say its good that geyser beats gaurd, but sheds weak to fire obviously
compact pebble
o wait, turboblaze
compact pebble
yeah, we both kinda dum there
quiet salmon
also good luck improofing it
compact pebble
yeah
rn im looking at a chlorophyll mon like venu chand
tho maybe saving chand for flash fire to counter opposing sun abbusers
is expert belt a good choice for mewram?
compact pebble
ok, so do use chand for the chlorophyll heavy hitter
what item should i have on mewram then?
hows this for a sun wallbreaker?
quiet salmon
what does sludge bomb hit
compact pebble
idk?
i just sorta threw on a third attack
what would you suggest? maybe dark pulse? or just like morning sun
ok, it dosnt get ms
synthisis then
compact pebble
is it possible to make a fire type stall mon, or at least a stalbreaker?
this seems like a really stupid idea
quiet salmon
there is no such thing as a stall mon
quiet salmon
i have NEVER seen magic bounce in nat dex ag
that makes it one time
glass vector
you got nothing better to do?
gentle pine
this seems like a really stupid idea
Why would you not just have eviolite?
prime barn
Why would you not just have eviolite?
83 SpA vs 56 might well make flamethrower relevant vs weakened targets at least
quiet salmon
27 spa for like 50% extra bulk is a pretty terrible tradeoff
gentle pine
83 SpA vs 56 might well make flamethrower relevant vs weakened targets at least
How does that relate to leftovers vs eviolite?
Chansey is obviously the better choice here
It can at least be a special tank
And it would mitigate physical attacks much more nicely
Doesn’t Chansey also get Seismic Toss or something as well?
That would be much better than Flamethrower.
And without protect, you’re not particularly making good use out of leftovers on that thing in the first place tbh
For that bump in spa to matter, you’d have to hit it on something that’s 4x weak tbh
elfin escarp
Where do you assemble these builds?
compact pebble
can smeargle actually be a good thing?
snow pike
strong but slow
snow pike
can smeargle actually be a good thing?
as a hazard suicide lead
spore stealth rock spikes webs whatever
however there are good mons that have those moves too
maybe not spore
at least if you want mold breaker
beats shedinja at least i think
hawlucha is the fastest mold breaker mon
wait im stupid we have turboblaze and stuff too
1 sec
90 speed
not bad but this is better i think
but yeah you could try this, it has less abysmal bulk and decent attack
just slower
taunt is an option too
i mean
anything is
its smeargle
snow pike
is this a good ag mon?
not sure if i should invest on the defenses or hp because of how high hp is
snow pike
normal types not helping defensively moment
gets thundered by kyogres :(
lc would be funny if it existed (these sets are probably trash but proof of concept)
compact pebble
is 231.2 kg a good weight for heat crash?
compact pebble
whats a good dark fairy combo?
compact pebble
whats a good fusion for rayquaza?
muted oar
are these stats too low to be bulky in ou
Maybe Pyukumuku for an unaware mon?
muted oar
whats a good fusion for rayquaza?
Marowak, Ground/Flying is a great typing and Thick Club means you get the most absurd firepower imaginable off Dragon Ascent
And you can run SD+Espeed with Thick Club
compact pebble
i wamt dragon
compact pebble
so what would be good with rayquaza as the head
sterile glacier
Anything fast and decently hard hitting. Alakazam because it’s generally broken, Blaziken/Yanmega for spood beast, Regigigas/Slaking for STAB extreme speed
Maybe Salamence to get Moxie
graceful imp
is this a good ag mon?
ngl i got tricked by the nickname and thought it was a blissey / ho-oh fusion and was about to tell you that eviolite won't work on it, good job LMAO
quiet salmon
Anything fast and decently hard hitting. Alakazam because it’s generally broken...
zam is bad though
outclassed by deo and m2
snow pike
ngl i got tricked by the nickname and thought it was a blissey / ho-oh fusion an...
lol, it was a blissey at first but i changed it in the import export thingy which is why the name stayed the same
glass vector
until the eternamax-eternatus (and various other forms but that one's the worst) oversight is fixed, there's no point in playing nat dex formats lmao
snow pike
or it is because it's funny
wait what you can use eternamaz
glass vector
yeah putting eternamax eternatus in the secondary/fusion slot allows you to use it despite it being "illegal"
even works in ou
snow pike
i forgot lol
That makes no sense
floette eternal works too
which isn't that good but
Still
quiet salmon
keep emax in so ppl learn how to stallbreak
glass vector
it isn't stall if they just fuse it with a wallbreaker for insane stats across the board
which people do and have done
compact pebble
yeah... this is stupid
this too
and you can actually have both of these on the same team cause apparently nat dex ag just dosnt have fusion dupes clause
raven latch
is this good?
replace life orb with leftovers
screw dragon types with this setup
and fighting
quiet salmon
is this good?
cant use mmy without mewtwonite
raven latch
i mean no one really plays national dex
so i can only ise it against my friends all dragon team
quiet salmon
thats not true, ive gotten quite a few ndag teams
raven latch
ive been in que for 1hr and nothing
raven latch
hhour 2 nothing
muted oar
yeah... this is stupid
Lol
snow pike
yeah... this is stupid
I think glowking might work
either way, this is ridiculous
actually unaware on this is probably ideal
snow pike
https://pokepast.es/01b1d63e98dd7f44
couldnt fit unaware oops
either way
apart from zolt which is just me wanting to test gimmick
how is this team?
frank cove
Posted this in the wrong channel earlier
Aegickle with stance change under trick room has 548 attack
I believe this is the highest you can get without using huge power
snow pike
shouldn't you invest in attack still?
it swaps the base stat bit not the evs and ivs I think
frank cove
I did not know that
red spear
It swaps the final stats
snow pike
it works different in if?
Normally (as for regular aegi) it should still switch the base stats and calc evs afterwards but i cant be sure for if as it works a bit different without the forme, maybe it works different here
frank cove
national dex AG team that is just trolling that is it. Landorous is made to have a really strong explosion
this team is terrible but like really funny
gusty burrow
Choice Band Endure???
frank cove
Choice Band Endure???
I changed it, it now only has explosion
rich basalt
I feel like there are better mons for explosion, like any normal type fusion for stab
naive dome
Lando has the highest attack of any Explosion user, so just fuse it with a Normal type with high attack and watch things go boom
upper granite
you could also use galvanize with alolan golem
naive dome
Yeah, that's definitely some good bang for your buck. Even makes up for the slightly lower attack when compared to Landorous/Ursaluna
honest umbra
I wanna do a fighting/dark/psychic core
but my god is finding a good fighting type painful
hlep
snow pike
In regular ou?
Uhh
hitmontop has a high special defense + intimidate + rapid spin utility 
(in all seriousness I think hitmontop has a niche but it's nowhere near ou level usually)
void willow
Hawlucha and Hitmonlee also have niches as Unburden mons, while Bewear tanks contact moves really well with Fluffy
Machamp and Heracross are both Guts mons that can be paired with something like a DDancer + Flame Orb to sweep
Breloom provides Technician for revenge-killing needs
though building a Fighting-type sweeper can be tricky since you always have to be mindful of Scarfed Pixilate Boombursts and/or Espeeds
snow pike
I wanna do a fighting/dark/psychic core
but my god is finding a good fighting t...
you probably want to psychic type to resist fairy as well
void willow
I've seen someone pairing Breloom with a physical Ghost type like Dusknoir too with Technician-boosted STAB Shadow Sneak and Mach Punch, as well as some other useful moves like Strength Sap, SD, and even Sucker Punch; I don't know how viable it is but it was pretty interesting
honest umbra
you probably want to psychic type to resist fairy as well
already figured that out
It's more so that whatever I do feels super eh
in regards to the fighting type
I had a machamp/muk because fighting poison is decent
I was also looking at lucario
not abysmal
its lack of recovery makes me recoil though
snow pike
I wish the defensive fighting type options were better
We kinda need a new defensive fighting type
i want to use a dragon/fighting to fit my team but all of them make for super offensive setup sweepers or they just don't do anything
The highest defense one is hitmontop with 95
honest umbra
I mean intimidate or fluffy can kinda make it up
though I do wish bewear had fighting/normal and not normal/fighting
that hp would be great
snow pike
yeah, you kinda have to fuse it with something else with high hp
gentle pine
not abysmal
I think you should probably make that pure physical tank tbh. I don't think it has enough HP to invest in the worse defensive stat, but does if you invest in physical.
honest umbra
fair enough
I just dislike going one direction over another because of how stupid diverse the meta is
snow pike
This has intimidate on (hitmon)top of that massive defense stat though, I think spd investment is fair enough
But you could pair it with a special wall with a complementary typing to have good synergy with intimaidate too
red spear
I’m taking 200 off your ELO on all ladders for that pun
quiet salmon
This has intimidate on (hitmon)top of that massive defense stat though, I think ...
55/131 physbulk is not massive especially without recovery
snow pike
oh yeah lack of recovery 
red spear
That's a difficult type combination to work with, any specific reasons you need it?
snow pike
I need a grass and a flying type :]
I just realized, my team lacks a ground type
Maybe a grass/ground type
and a poison/flying type
quiet salmon
why do you need a grass and a flying
snow pike
Grass works with my clefcune
and klinktei (but it's not that great atm maybe i'll replace it)
red spear
good grass types include Ferrothorn and Tangrowth off the top of my head
Flyings I'd look into Togekiss, Skarm, Gliscor
Poison Pex and Muk
Ground Chomp Gliscor Nidoking
those are off the top of my head, but maybe play around with them see if you find something you like
sterile glacier
I wanna do a fighting/dark/psychic core
but my god is finding a good fighting t...
Infernape will never tank much, but it’s fast, has decent attack, and gets an incredibly good movepool.
snow pike
dreamy lion
While Webs for Noitula sound nice, I don’t think anyone else on your team is out speeding even with webs up
snow pike
toxitar with a speed boost maybe
but yeah, i build slow teams (not always on purpose) :(
dreamy lion
I have high hopes for Clefcune
snow pike
very reliable
beats almost all dragon dancers
it lost to a suicune/pyukumuku though :( (which beat my entire team)
sterile glacier
Suikumuku has no weak
muted oar
it lost to a suicune/pyukumuku though :( (which beat my entire team)
Huh? How is it so good?
Does it just run Unaware+Calm Mind?
dreamy lion
I need ideas for sprites, what are some cool Cresselia fusions for IF OU?
quiet salmon
prob cress pex
rain mist
is the team builder nolonger a thing? or is it not on showdown, cause it says the sever has been off for 1258 days.
rain mist
nevermind, i did some digging and found it :3
gusty burrow
dont use flying press
upper granite
no close combat, what do i use?
rain mist
what do we think?
gusty burrow
no close combat, what do i use?
High Jump Kick probably. I also wouldnt run both Swords Dance and Calm Mind on the same set, its too slow to setup multiple times
upper granite
sd instead of willo, maybe shadow sneak over claw
rain mist
wisp is for Facade so i can get stab and the power boost from the burn
and crits are funny, but sneak is better
it goes from 70 to 140 stab move with the burn
upper granite
your going to wisp yourself?
rain mist
ah, i cant read
upper granite
if theirs alot of status in ag then facade is fine
muted oar
what do we think?
Why not abuse SD+Shadow Sneak?
gentle pine
Yeah, Disguise is a free setup turn
I’d also likely swap Facade for Return
Consistent 102 (104?) is better than only sometimes getting 140
Having a priority move would allow some HP investment as well, perhaps.
Cuz it’s not a particularly fast mon.
Or at least swap the nature to Jolly instead of Adamant.
snow pike
Does it just run Unaware+Calm Mind?
It ran scald cm recover toxic but those moves have just a little bit more pp than my moves, and I needed to click moonblast to do 24% which it could recover off, whilst I didn't need to click softboiled, I had to attack (aka it could pp stall my moonblast)
snow pike
Wait, their Lycanroc is named Lycanroc as well? What fusion is it?
snow pike
iron valiant?
Don't use a mixed setup Pokémon
crystal nebula
yo I am entering a tournament for this game, how do I get fusion mon besides triple fusions?
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worldly gazelle
Hey guys, i'm havng a hard time figuring out a final pokemon for this IF dex AG team. (intended for double battles)
and Recommendations?
i was thinking maybe something with telepathy so i could swap parabolic charge with discharge on kyogre/raikou. Maybe that'd be worth it?
snow pike
You have alot of special moves on physical sets, you'd be better off replaving freeze dry with a physical ice move and brick break and avalanche are also not good moves
max speed on a mon with only 1 non-prio move seems unnecessary
Thunder on the Kyogre/Raikou can't miss in the rain, I suggest using that instead of parabolic charge
I'm not sure if Dhelmgigas gets Poltergeist but if it does, I suggest using it over drain punch/po punch for stab damage
For swampert i suggest something like earth power psyshock recover or rest (i think resto chesto is better in doubles than singles but not sure) protect
You probably want some form of redirection like Follow Me and some more protect on your team
Maybe an intimidate Pokémon with fake out as the last Pokémon
jagged locust
anyone wanna help me in an IF draft league?
I have a team that is probably ok? I just need help on how to think about teambuilding
vernal vale
anyone wanna help me in an IF draft league?
still relevent?
honest umbra
thoughts
I wanted to use zapdos but like whatever
doesnt have hurricane for whatever reason
honest umbra
sleep powder is for free setup turns and to potentially invalidate something this cant handle (rock type)
void willow
I've used a Fire/Flying type sweeper before; I wouldn't advise on it since its tremendous Stealth Rock allergy makes it far harder to get in safely unless you plan on using it as a lead
honest umbra
honestly I just wanted to abuse compound eyes
void willow
you can still use it effectively as a lead I guess, but I'm not sure what you'd need those HP EVs for since you have Sash anyway, it's better to invest it all into speed
quiet salmon
even hp to die twice into sr
void willow
with your current speed stat of 221, you'll still get outsped by max speed mons with 102+ base speed even after a Quiver Dance
honest umbra
fair enough
jagged locust
still relevent?
mhm!
jagged locust
still relevent?
(right is me, left is opponent)
simple and moody, baton passing benefits, flinching items, gems and evasion are all banned, I can't think of any other bans off the top of my head
vernal vale
why did you cut it? you each have 12 mons?
jagged locust
I can send you my team idea in dms but Idk if they're here or not
vernal vale
I can send you my team idea in dms but Idk if they're here or not
sure
jagged locust
why did you cut it? you each have 12 mons?
no we have 15 and must make 6 fusions and no one can find a doc with 15
vernal vale
I can send you my team idea in dms but Idk if they're here or not
im guessing they are if it's if draft
jagged locust
mine is blacephalon-> beartic, there's is annihilape->greedent
vernal vale
mine is blacephalon-> beartic, there's is annihilape->greedent
yep
jagged locust
im guessing they are if it's if draft
yeah that's why dms
vernal vale
ye
cursive tundra
(right is me, left is opponent)
whichever side the WOACH in on is winning
jagged locust
whichever side the WOACH in on is winning
Das me ^^
magic steppe
hello, what do you think?
rapid glade
Theres like 4 setup mons and none of them work
Why is chandelgons only stab physical, and why would it be flame orb in the first place
Sylvern should just be pixilate boomburst, thats its whole draw. Instead of curse which cuts on noiverns speed
Crovile is relying on mid stab, has uninvested oblivion wing and leech life (bug move :/) for coverage, i dont get all the curse mons.
I almost understand the idea behind clefziken but itll probably just get overrun bc blazikens bulk is mid. The most salvageable of these sweeper ideas (if you're not just turning chandelgon and sylvern into the special hitters they should be)