what moves should i replace
#showdown-teambuilding
neat sigil
peak citrus
what has more players gen 7 OU or nat dex OU?
im not tryna build a team for a dead gamemode 😭
neat sigil
what has more players gen 7 OU or nat dex OU?
it looks like IF DEX OU
peak citrus
gen 7?
sterile glacier
I'd do it with Metal Burst/Stealth Rock/Diamond Storm/Thunder Wave, and an HP/Attack invested set. You want to get absolutely smashed to maximize your Metal Burst and proc the Custap Berry, and if you've already got rocks up and can't kill with Diamond Storm, Thunder Wave might let you survive to get a third move, or failing that cripple something for your teammates.
peak citrus
alr ty
sterile glacier
It is still not fantastic, and it's probably not going to work very well on someone who knows it's coming, but
neat sigil
like this?
sterile glacier
Yeah.
It's still reliant on surprise, which isn't great when this is such a small metagame, but
peak citrus
?
sterile glacier
That is a great sprite, and if you really want to use that 'mon
neat sigil
That *is* a great sprite, and if you really want to use that 'mon
its my favorite one i made
neat sigil
ok
peak citrus
oh gliscor lost spikes?
sterile glacier
Gliscor had spikes in IF?
peak citrus
I guess not
sterile glacier
Also it looks like Spore got banned
Not surprised, Sleep Powder and Hypnosis are oppressive enough with Prankster
quiet salmon
loses to shed and cats
quiet salmon
oh gliscor lost spikes?
it never had spikes in 7
peak citrus
Also it looks like Spore got banned
oml thank god
why is shell smash banned 💀
so much stuff is banned 😭
neat sigil
fusions can get crazy
muted oar
Absolutely fire sprite 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
quiet salmon
its rock steel
muted oar
Heavy Metal+Heavy Slam?
honest umbra
steel isnt an offensive type
it isnt gonna hit shit
plus people have already gotten a better set up anyways
fallow osprey
Yeah! I'm using it in a draft leauge atm actually
muted oar
It's defenses aren't that good tho
It's defenses aren't that good tho
Jolteon is great for almost any offensive pokemon with the speed/SpA being the best combo in OU
honest umbra
that was an old conversation
I was fixated on flareon and glaceon just sucking
especially flareon
and espeon being held back by a poor offensive type in this meta
muted oar
Umbreon is a great pivot with parting shot, and it can wish pass to heal teammates. Can pair the dark typing with one of the million bulky ghost typings to give you a fantastic typing
honest umbra
why are you trying to add to a conversation from like 15 hours ago
also you're not even adding anything
muted oar
Electrode hits like a wet noodle
muted oar
Okay im like 85% sure that was me. I've swept a lot of people with my PorygonZ/Jolteon
honest umbra
because 90 vs 110 isnt a massive difference in the stat calc
and speed is more valuable
generally
sterile glacier
Okay im like 85% sure that was me. I've swept a lot of people with my PorygonZ/J...
Coulda been. It didn't actually sweep me because it was choiced and I had a ghost and a ground type to switch around it, but I had enough trouble beating it that I didn't have answers for the rest of the opponent's team.
muted oar
All they need to do is swap Aurorus's typing so it can be the head and pass on its ice type. Then you could see nasty Noivern fusions with refrigerate boosted boomburst
muted oar
I've played radical red but I didn't know they gave it that. You could also just run like return/double edge to hit like a truck
honest umbra
what is blud's purpose
muted oar
Yeah there was a massive ticket about switching its typing
What? It doesn't get icicle crash in here?
honest umbra
gen 7 movesets
muted oar
It should be able to get icicle crash
gusty burrow
Classic Weavile not getting a good STAB move
muted oar
More bulk, and soundproof invalidates boomburst users maybe
honest umbra
from beartic and alolan sandslash breeding
both of which happen not to exist
figure it out
muted oar
it goes in the body slot
1/3 of 80 SpA is still horrible
muted oar
from beartic and alolan sandslash breeding
All egg moves are available via an egg move tutor
You never actually breed anything in IF
muted oar
figure it out
Why tell me to figure it out when you have no idea what you're talking about
muted oar
ask the showdown managers then
I will
honest umbra
I made an assumption based off what I saw
for all I know it could be fucking anything, it just made the most sense that it was that
muted oar
I made an assumption based off what I saw
And you were wrong but simultaneously denigrating me for even asking the question
Goofy behavior bro
honest umbra
im gonna go check something
the fact that debug doesnt let you set battle tokens is ass
muted oar
Oh wait nvm it doesn't let you
Egg move teacher is bugged with a lot of moves
Like azumarill doesn't get belly drum via egg move tutor only because it's bugged
honest umbra
yeah it's not in the list
I just got enough tokens to check
stupid thing but whatever
muted oar
Not sure why that bug is what it is, they said it happened to make it easier when trying to actually breed the egg moves but it seems to have fucked the egg move teacher somehow
honest umbra
weavile woes
peak citrus
can you use eviolite if only 1 half can evolve
patent hatch
can you use eviolite if only 1 half can evolve
Yes
gentle pine
wishing for little cup
I think a BST cap would work better than LC tbh.
Like a 400bst cap, or maybe even lower.
honest umbra
does this work?
swapped blaze kick for stone edge btw
While I cant hit ghost/steel types I'd much rather hit my other checks for good damage
also 4 EVs in defense I forgor
sterile glacier
I'd ditch Roost and choice band that sucker myself
void willow
I agree on the choice item; that 10% boost from Muscle Band really isn't worth taking over literally any other option
gentle pine
Yeah
I would almost suggest Life Orb just to further the theme lmao
Also
If U-Turn is an option, use it
void willow
Why did you stop using it?
I change my wallbreakers/sweepers often since I like trying out different things; it's nothing to do with its viability or anything
toxic tusk
Yo my funny balloon
honest umbra
I would almost suggest Life Orb just to further the theme lmao
the theme is big attack
not killing myself
tired comet
Honestly, I'm considering getting a better Sticky Web setter. But I can't think of anything better. I like the usefulness of Magic Guard and T-Wave and its bulk is not completely terrible.
But sometimes it just feels like deadweight. Especially when I can't set Sticky Web in time.
Really struggling with coming up with something better here.
honest umbra
you could mess with focus sash espeon/galvantula
in theory
but I also dont know what exactly your goal is
if it's a setter that you want to bring in more than once
gusty burrow
Espeon/Galvantula is nice for magic bounce, all sticky web pokemon are roughly equal
honest umbra
it gets muchs more complicated
alternatively you can do something with natu for eviolite if you really want bulk
for the same role of course
but even then it's not good
honest umbra
Honestly, I'm considering getting a better Sticky Web setter. But I can't think ...
observation:
give us a specific role we know basically nothing as to how you intend to use it
tired comet
It's mostly to put Sticky Web and spread status through T-Wave.
honest umbra
do you want it to live for a long time though
tired comet
Not a long time... but I do want it to survive more than 2/3 hits.
Fairy Electric is a good defensive type, besides the Ground weakness.
And even then I'm not using this thing agaisnt Ground types
honest umbra
fuck
I had cobbled this together and then no twave
it has toxic but steel types are stupid common
worse typing but better moveset
stats are roughly the same with current EV spread
it also has will-o-wisp if that appeals to you
also if speed is appealing with a fairly strong defensive type this exists
probably the longest lasting in the list
some of these are probably bad some of them are good
I didn't really filter too much
just some ideas
ariados is marginally more defensive but no t-wave
so meh
you should be able to find some form of an idea for it from that mess
if someone is gonna discuss this dont @ me
Im going to sleep and will ignore it
void willow
I'm not really sure how feasible it is to build a bulky Sticky Web setter, most of the ones I've seen are used as leads with sash on HO teams
it doesn't really help that Galvantula's (and Ariado's) bulk is pitiful to say the least
if you do want it to live then Registeel looks like a decent fusion since it can also set rocks, is only weak to Fire, and is neutral to rock itself so it isn't constantly crippled by repeated switch-ins if you can't remove the hazards
quiet salmon
probably the longest lasting in the list
bulky web setter is an oxymoron
unless ur playing bh (where webs sucks anyway) the idea of webs is to set it up as fast as possible, die quickly to maintain momentum, and then hit hard with 5 other teammates
tired comet
Fine then. What's the best suicide lead I can make for my Sticky Web team?
And how do I counter Rapid Spin and Defog? I do have a Defiant ghost mon, maybe it's just a matter of playing well.
Not like I saw any hazard removal in most teams, though...
quiet salmon
And how do I counter Rapid Spin and Defog? I do have a Defiant ghost mon, maybe ...
you have the option of using a ghost type with taunt at the cost of not setting on bounce
mold breaker goes through bounce but is susceptible to spin
it depends on whether you build and play around spinners or whether you build and play around bounce
tired comet
That's a tough choice.
muted oar
Defog doesn't get blocked by ghosts though right?
tired comet
It doesn't.
void willow
Defog doesn't get blocked by ghosts though right?
That's why you need taunt
severe dagger
Honestly, I'm considering getting a better Sticky Web setter. But I can't think ...
Battled you earlier
GGwiz
tired comet
gasp
muted oar
Coulda been. It didn't actually sweep me because it was choiced and I had a gho...
Nvm sorry that wasn't me then. I run Nasty Plot+Focus Sash. And mine literally are like, swept the entire team or close to it
quiet salmon
yes
hazy crescent
probally for the best
ocean shoal
guys, what moveset is best for this guy?
dim jackal
guys, what moveset is best for this guy?
Wrong channle since this is for the showdown but idk
honest umbra
bulky web setter is an oxymoron
literally 4 messages after I specifically said not to ping me
also I made a bulky web setter because they wanted a measure of bulk
honest umbra
Wrong channle since this is for the showdown but idk
incorrect observation
it's plenty fine to ask about movesets on a mon
tha'ts like the point
unrelated but dear god its moveset is bad for its stats
there
I need to swap the swords dance
was using it before I realized it had no physical electric moves
but the swap is simple enough considering it learns nasty plot
@ocean shoal
honest umbra
if it survives a physical move (not a special one) and uses nasty plot is has +2 in both stats
which is a pretty okay potential sweeper
ocean shoal
Yeah!
honest umbra
ice beam is for grass and dragon types
which are the only resistances the combo has
honest umbra
you're welcome
dim jackal
incorrect observation
This channle is labeled showdown teambuilding. Its in the showdown category. Its fine to ask here but its not the purpose of the channle. You can just ask in general chat too
dim jackal
We are both technicly correct
honest umbra
it also is non conducive to people playing the showdown bit if you just turn them away
honest umbra
tbh the niche I explained only works in a hazardless situation, so for a showdown team you probably need strong hazard removal support
alternatively you could run swift swim over weak armor and use it as a rain sweeper
and swap thunderbolt with thunder
which is probably a better set overall
but much more annoying to use in a casual playthrough
quaint flax
Me bawking at how high anaconja's gotten and wanting to see their teams
honest umbra
real
just stalk their replays
the most recent team they used and was saved was azurill/dragonite drifblim/steelix slowbro/articuno slowking/probopass and jirachi/tangrowth
quaint flax
i can't find the replays for this tier
but i see they also used to play BH, pretty transferable meta i have been thinking
honest umbra
go
they dont save many replays unfortunately, so we only really have month old teams and something from 4 days ago
and they have a very slow playstyle so generally I don't get much from their replays
quaint flax
yeah i have just been, trying to really find the peaks of the meta, using strats i learned from bh really
focusing on sturdy and wonder guard breakers
i should probably abuse spore more since there's no sleep clause so
honest umbra
"yo fuck yo weather"
honest umbra
typing was chosen because it's neutral to solar beam, resistant to fire and resistant to water
and because my options were limited typing wise
dreamy lion
Getting hit by a thunder would be unfortunate
opaque musk
could go water/grass but then your just neutral to those moves
honest umbra
https://pokepast.es/8c302ba854286e84 anyways pick this shit apart now
vernal vale
https://pokepast.es/8c302ba854286e84 anyways pick this shit apart now
Why would you keep sturdy on the noivern?
When will it get used?
Also i don't know how useful roost is on the reckless life orb mon
void willow
https://pokepast.es/8c302ba854286e84 anyways pick this shit apart now
Noivern/Forretress feels incredibly out of place here; the whole team looks like a Hyper Offense team yet you have no hazard setter, and instead you have a bulky AV mon that doesn't do much aside from hazard control
I recommend just swapping it out for a hazard or screens setter; with hazards up you can put pressure on the opponent and deal valuable chip damage at the same time (which also breaks sashes), and with screens you have a much easier time setting up
honest umbra
Also i don't know how useful roost is on the reckless life orb mon
bulky mons that want me to weather myself down
was thinking of running an anti lead with fake out + priority
works well as a "fuck you no sticky web" as well as an independent mon
muted oar
This channle is labeled showdown teambuilding. Its in the showdown category. Its...
Okay but they're asking a team-building related question so I don't see the problem. The fact that it's in the showdown section means you'll get answers from people who know about movesets/most viable sets
hazy crescent
any idea's to make this better https://pokepast.es/ee0fd55705bda50e
vestal rivet
dual weather as a concept may just be doomed from the start im sorry
but electrode + chlorophyll is probably more speed than you will ever need for anything in your life
hazy crescent
jolteon has been a cosideration for spa
vestal rivet
kingdra is not the best choice for a swift swimmer, and if you have swift swim/chlorophyll the speed boost from quiver / shift gear is kinda being wasted
like sure it helps for once you're out of the weather
but i think for the most part usually your weather teams should just have one pokemon that tries to clean up with weather at the end of the game
pretty similar to how exca was ran in gen 6
hazy crescent
I want blunder policy but not legal, so It can setup in rain
vestal rivet
getting slow pivoting moves onto your weather setters also helps a lot
hazy crescent
tangrowth plays both weathers well
vestal rivet
so that they can take a hit and get one of your weather abusers in
hazy crescent
yea uturn would help alot on gliscor
vestal rivet
this celebi + kingdra alsp looks like its got like
0 stats
lol
water grass is also not a very good typing, idk how much it covers offensively but defensively it leaves little room to get in and set up safely if thats ever something you want to do
like youd basically be forced to qd 4 times vs bulkier teams
cuz they just would not take real amounts of damage from this thing
hazy crescent
decent defensive only weak to bug, flying, poison
vestal rivet
unfortunately it also boasts few resists
and a neutral hit will not be comfortable for it
boreal stirrup
hi
i would love to share this trickster
https://pokepast.es/266dc9ea0a0bb3ce
any improvements are welcome
electrify is 32pp, so thats a lot of heals, wear em down with psn or para them with discharge. agility first to make sure you're the fastest mon
honest umbra
neat
two things
priority
oh three things
mold breaker
and why have you not invested one of your points
gilded crown
hi
i would love to share this trickster
https://pokepast.es/266dc9ea0a0bb3ce
a...
you shouldn't need agility
quiet salmon
hi
i would love to share this trickster
https://pokepast.es/266dc9ea0a0bb3ce
a...
lrod is vastly better than volt absorb
boreal stirrup
lrod is vastly better than volt absorb
didnt even think about this!
boreal stirrup
you shouldn't need agility
probably not, but theres a lot of stat raise gimmicks
boreal stirrup
and why have you not invested one of your points
good.. point
honest umbra
also
electivire motor drive
- plasma fists
so you can do damage
but ground types are an issue in that situation
so idk
quiet salmon
electivire motor drive
no motor drive is worse than volt absorb
honest umbra
i mean it's speed vs hp
depends how you weigh it
also considering that you run bulky teams a lot from what I know, you probably value hp over speed
though I certainly agree that lightning rod is the best of that sort
brisk pebble
+ plasma fists
Plasma fists only affects normal type moves
brisk pebble
Good luck getting it to trigger
honest umbra
it has electrify?
brisk pebble
It doesn't
honest umbra
it's electric type
brisk pebble
Yeah, and showdown shows it as illegal
brisk pebble
U can try. I forgot why when i tested it, i deleted the set after finding out it sucked
honest umbra
it wasnt my idea
it sucks because they can just set up in your face
and just outspeed or mold break
im aware
brisk pebble
Wasn't mine either. Was trying to help someone find a viable Electivire set. It just wasn't worth it
honest umbra
only good in this
assuming kingdra has good water and ice physical moves
eh still kinda mid
there
that's not ass
quiet salmon
i mean it's speed vs hp
spa > hp >> speed
youre not hitting any harder or boosting some kind of bulk with +6 spe
honest umbra
counter argument: speed control
people forgo other hazards for sticky web for a reason
it's the same reason why dragonite is so popular in OU
I mean agaisnt bulky teams it's obviously worse
but in offensive situations it's better
quiet salmon
so either ur slow to begin with (loses to offense)
or ur fast to begin with (already beats offense)
regardless offense loads priority to beat other setup mons in the first place
like its electrify
that relies on you being faster than the opponent in the first place
whats the point of activating motor drive
honest umbra
I mean I was talking more generally, but healing that's reliant on outspeeding on a fairly fragile mon is kinda pointless
quiet salmon
if its a fragile fast mon then it matters much less that its fragile
quiet salmon
its a gimmick to toxic stall
its more effective than motor drive because with volt absorb you can regain hp lost from sub
honest umbra
yeah but like one singular steel type and it doesnt matter
and the healing is 100% reliant on the oppoent not setting up
gilded crown
can anyone help me with this rag tag team? it's carried me pretty far through the ladder, but i can never seem to make it past top 20. https://pokepast.es/c5ad8a518466cdb3
screenshots for visual learners
honest umbra
https://pokepast.es/aa5877e17fc268c0 team that's gotten me pretty far
the noivern I just swapped it to garchomp so I need to see how that goes but it's mostly there because both electric and ground poses an issue that flying/ground solves
quiet salmon
screenshots for visual learners
why is it protect over roost on umbreon
gilded crown
for activating toxic orb
quiet salmon
but you can activate toxic orb without protect
meanwhile roost actually heals you when you get knocked low
gilded crown
my goal with umbcor is to lead with it, get rocks up, maybe knock off, then uturn out
quiet salmon
https://pokepast.es/aa5877e17fc268c0 team that's gotten me pretty far
the noiver...
special mons not hitting common spd walls and physical mons not hitting common physical walls seems suspicious
quiet salmon
my goal with umbcor is to lead with it, get rocks up, maybe knock off, then utur...
sure but having longevity is one major facet of ph
anyway ur weak to boomburst
teal obsidian
boomburst moment
honest umbra
special mons not hitting common spd walls and physical mons not hitting common p...
could you give some example of common walls
mostly because that's too vague to correct
quiet salmon
water/ground or steel/flying or water in general physwalls
grass/steel or poison/dark regenvests or steel/fairy unaware stuff
gentle pine
screenshots for visual learners
This feels like your triple fusion could make better use of an unburden item other than a Sitrus berry.
Like maybe replace Ice Punch with Superpower and use a White Herb?
Steel is very common, so that would give you good coverage for them.
In theory
You can certainly use Unburden more reliably that way at least.
Also, while using Unburden, you could probably invest less in speed and go more into HP.
Just my thoughts on it
Maybe go 250 speed so you’re at an even 500 after unburden? I just don’t know what you’re specifically outspeeding with max speed being 546
sterile glacier
Well you have no real fighting resist, and only one thing that can eat a Draco Meteor without folding like wet tissue paper
gentle pine
There are also some niche/unexpected things you can do with Fling/Unburden
You can do toxic or flame orb for guaranteed toxic poison/burn
More reliable to do burn
And effectively makes you bulkier if done on a physical attacker
I think it’s 130bp with a big nugget
It’s really fun in double battles too
Cuz you can activate justified and give your pokemon a stat boost
I’ve used it like that with a Salac Berry a few times in official games on a Lucario to do a pseudo DDance on it.
On a resisted 10bp move
So no damage, essentially.
honest umbra
obv the ability synergy isnt as good as it could be, but alleviating that 4x weakness is good
alternatively I could do something bulkier with lanturn but I'm doing hyper offense and I'd rather not slow down too much
plz rate
gentle pine
Seaking.
honest umbra
lightning rod
honest umbra
it is really bad stat wise
I needed an electric ground immunity
but I had trouble with ice
thus:
gentle pine
Would Lanturn be better? Does that work out for water/flying?
gentle pine
Ah
lol
So only weak to rock is nice
But it still feels like death to non-resisted moves
It makes sense as a concept tho. Seems like it could work.
honest umbra
for context I have two mons weak to ice and a gigantic four weak to electric and 2 weak to ground
gentle pine
Good for switch-ins at a minimum.
honest umbra
which is an error in team building on my end
thus I have my "oh god oh fuck" button
gentle pine
Are there any other good volt absorb/lightning rod mons?
gentle pine
I mean, do you need specifically water/flying or do you need specifically an electric/ground immune?
honest umbra
I originally was gonna do flying/ground
but the ice type
but electric/ground immune is the primary thing
gentle pine
Cuz I’m thinking of things like maybe Rhyperior
honest umbra
I thought of that too
one issue:
abysmal special defense
not that seaking is much
also rock is just
inferior
alternatively one could run levitate ground
which i will be checking now that I thought of it
gentle pine
You could probably get something going with like a Jolteon fusion
Good speed and spa
honest umbra
volt absorb adds less to a mon that already resist electric
honest umbra
ice
friend
I have way to many flying types as is
strangely good defensive type by merit of one immunity
gentle pine
If you have so many flying types, why do you specifically need it to also be ground immune?
honest umbra
trauma from thousand arrows
that shit fucking railed my team
first of all
golem sucks
fix the EVs and give it other options
gentle pine
trauma from thousand arrows
Then Levitate seems to be the better option imo
whole goblet
first of all
its for oneshoting first pokemon who buff at the first turn
gentle pine
Weezing or Hydreigon with __
whole goblet
its for oneshoting first pokemon who buff at the first turn
and for "unexpected moves"
honest umbra
its for oneshoting first pokemon who buff at the first turn
doesnt justify not having back up plans
whole goblet
i see
honest umbra
decided to say fuck it with flareon and run toxic orb only to do this like a dumbass
sterile glacier
That's not going to work
gentle pine
I don’t believe you can poison yourself with steel regardless of toxic orb
I may be wrong
Obviously you can’t do flame orb
quiet salmon
you cannot
gusty burrow
Could a steel or poison type with corrosion poison themselves with a toxic orb?
gentle pine
Corrosion is from moves only afaik
wide sparrow
yeah, but i'm just saying that it's possible to do it x)
sterile glacier
Also I don't think any Pokemon in IF have Corrosion
honest umbra
think?
gusty burrow
Game Freak really gave Glimmora a signature ability and the signature ability of another pokemon
vernal vale
yep
gusty burrow
Geeta did nothing right
gentle pine
Except her hair lmao
gentle pine
Yeah. Her team was ver non-champ material
Every E4 member was harder imo
Her mons are just higher level
muted oar
that's not ass
It looks really good but obviously assuming you got rain
muted oar
screenshots for visual learners
Triple fusion is trash
honest umbra
@dreamy lion cease
dreamy lion
<@235714053153095680> cease
It’s just a reaction it can’t hurt you. I promise never to ping you again, but I don’t think I’m the one you had a problem with 
muted oar
that's the point
Okay cool so you just didn't want any commentary on it whatsoever? If I agree that it's good that's a problem? And if I said it's trash I assume you'd also have had a problem?
muted oar
STOP PINGING ME HOURS AFTER THE FACT
Bro you barely had to scroll to find your post. It's a chat room dude, you respond to what's in chat, there isn't an expiration date or something. It's not like there's been a ton of messages since you posted it
dreamy lion
Bro you barely had to scroll to find your post. It's a chat room dude, you respo...
You can reply without @‘ing them if that’s what they’re bothered by.
vestal rivet
idk as someone who has gotten bothered by discord reply pings in the past you just have to accept most people will not turn them off even if it doesnt add a lot to what you said
you can just like read a ping and not respond to it if you dont feel the information is relevant / worth responding to
telling them to not ping you doesnt help either person
honest umbra
It’s just a reaction it can’t hurt you. I promise never to ping you again, but I...
i was being sarcastic with that cease
sorry that I came across as offended
I found it funny as well
I just dislike someone stating "assuming you got rain" on a swift swimmer because it's so obvious
secondly, I said hours after the fact for a reason, the conversation related has clearly ended and it's just annoying to tab into a ping just for it to be a nothing burger
if you said something like "but this mon beats it" or brought up an actual flaw in my teambuilding I wouldn't react the same way
because that's what this chat is for
what you're doing is essentially echoing which I find incredibly annoying
snow pike
is this good so far, or should i change the mons
fallow osprey
Oh I ran into you before, your team comp is pretty solid
vestal rivet
or foul play
red spear
foul play probably the better option
snow pike
Not sure why you chose iron tail
Forgot to change it lol
https://sim.pokeathlon.com/replays/mystora-mistyteamrocket-1701808197371.html
Technician Frost Breath hits hard
green prairie
is this good so far, or should i change the mons
Snorgliscor is good
Idk bout the rest of em
snow pike
jirachi arcanine is one of my mains
Love using that Pokémon, it breaks stall and has good resists and immunities, and can break most steel type walls
green prairie
It most def does not beat stall💀
snow pike
without being able to be poisoned by them and with access to recover
honest umbra
could you send a set
snow pike
It most def does not beat stall💀
steel type stallmons i meant
green prairie
Ima keep it real, i think that mon is def the weakest on this team and by a large margin. Gotta be facing a potato to get that to make any progress
nor would that sweep anything
snow pike
yeah, i got rid of flame charge because it's not really being a good sweeper
either way i could make a whole team of these, this is without thinking about other abilities and items lol
For now it's just 1 of the mons i can switch to if my screens are over or if sylvern switches in
green prairie
I dont think any of these variants are viable but ight
glass vector
I've been running a water monotype team (without rain cuz only politoed has drizzle, no pelipper), been doing pretty well so far. how's it look?
snow pike
why not use politoed then?
glass vector
dont want to, simple as
honestly even if pelipper was an option, i wouldnt do it. water mono without rain is a fun challenge lol
gilded crown
what item should i use on porygon-z/noivern?
green prairie
Specs scarf lo (with plot)
Depends on ur team
honest umbra
how deranged is this
dim jackal
Meh
lofty scroll
Very, minus that defense it doesn't really offer anything
dim jackal
Doesn't seem that good
honest umbra
Very, minus that defense it doesn't really offer anything
read the moves lmao
I asked how deranged it was anyways
doesnt take a genius to say 2 turns of setup is bad
lofty scroll
I read Power Swap vs Power Trick, but yeah you'd have to hope you have the time to pull it off
honest umbra
I really wish there were fast power trick users
but the fastest is kadabra
the mon with you know
30 defense
quiet salmon
why power trick w high def when u can just sd w high atk
i dont get it
its really easy to get higher than 438 atk and you can click sd 3 times
honest umbra
funny
there is no viability to it beyond jumpscaring an opponent with what they thought was stall
lofty scroll
If you play NatDex OU you could do Aegislash/Stakataka with Stance Change (if that is how Stance Change works in this mode, I think it swaps attacks/defenses but I'm not really sure). Granted that means no Sheer Force/Life Orb but you make up for it with 520 def
lofty scroll
Oh 100%, but just for the fun of it. Hold on I think this is the ultimate form of this, but you need to be playing AG NatDex and definitely want to be in Trick Room
muted oar
how deranged is this
Bro is cookin 🔥🔥
muted oar
it swaps base not raw
Power trick or stance change?
quiet salmon
stance
hallow axle
gun power
gentle pine
gun power
I think you should reverse that for more speed
126 is way faster than 110
From 350 to 386
The attack drop means essentially nothing since you have 2 1.5x boosts.
Speed is very much the priority in that case if you’re not gonna run scarf
I get that you want stab with Dragon Darts tho
But Dragon also only hits Dragon for super effective
vestal rivet
except then you dont have a second stab lol
i'd def just run dual stab + eq + u-turn though
gentle pine
Prolly not optimal, but this is how I’d run that. Maybe not Phantom Force though, since it’s easy to switch into.
gentle pine
except then you dont have a second stab lol
Do you really need it with 2 1.5x boosts?
vestal rivet
Do you really need it with 2 1.5x boosts?
yes? lol
the walls in natdex ag are insane
gentle pine
Fair
vestal rivet
not to mention that you have shedinja to deal with as it is so u-turn at least lets you bait out the shedinja
vestal rivet
i also would not run dragon darts if you're swapping the fusion
as non stab dragon moves is like
uhhhhhh
not good
gentle pine
I’d prolly run Flare Blitz over Fire Punch
Way more power
If not just swapping both of the non-stabs out for EQ and U-turn
Aren’t a lot of tanks weak to ground?
Pex gives poison a lot
Other tanks give rock or steel a lot
vestal rivet
eq is good as a non stab move because it's high basepower and hits a large number of targets for se damage
if youre clicking a non stab move it should be because youre hitting for se damage
if your stabs are resisted and you dont have a super effective coverage move you should probably just be leaving
eq is just like, a generally good idea, it's by no means the best last in slot for every single pokemon out there
red spear
If you’re running it in AG why not just use something like Deoxys-A over Pult?
quiet salmon
and why gorilla tactics over huge power
sterile glacier
Darm has better base stats than Azumarill by a fairly enormous margin
gentle pine
Yeah
Huge power is just far stronger
Or Pure Power in the case of Medicham if you wanna have a little more speed and attack but worse typing
Although, you can do fighting ghost with that and I think that’s interesting
rough spindle
Diggersby is also a funny Huge Power option
I feel like that pairs well with Dragonite for STAB Huge Power boosted E.Speed
think it gets Fake Out too?
quiet salmon
arceus outclasses dragonite for espeed
but also ndag is so centralized toward shed and cats that it probably sucks
rough spindle
True
snow pike
*think* it gets Fake Out too?
Quick attack
gentle pine
Diggersby is also a funny Huge Power option
I tend to forget Diggersby exists
rough spindle
Just quick attack? Dang.
Also I don't, I love that mon
Wish it could get Huge Power main game though
rough spindle
Garchomp but better
It's funny honestly that all 3 gens it's been in it ended up Banned
gentle pine
I'd say different instead of better lol
rough spindle
In gen 6 and 7 it's UUBL and in gen 8 it's RUBL
gentle pine
That fusion has zero bulk
rough spindle
86/75/76 for Normal/Ghost and 87/76/75 for Dragon Ground
Honestly that's not too bad
It's not exactly winning any bulk awards but it's not that frail
gentle pine
and the dragon/ground version is only 222 (444) attack with jolly
So it's literally just a normal amount of attack tbh
Like
You gotta really want stab EQ to use that over the normal/ghost
rough spindle
The other one hits 264 (528) though so idk
gentle pine
it's also way faster
rough spindle
I feel like both work but it kinda depends on what you need for your team
Will say
Dhelmise low key one of the most underrated mons in the game RN
gentle pine
ye
rough spindle
Being able to slap Steelworker Anchor Shot unto a Steel type
gentle pine
i've thought about that thing quite a lot
rough spindle
Kinda Insane
I'm not great at this game but Dhelmise/Registeel has basically been handing me some of my wins on a silver platter
Or Registeel/Dhelmise, rather
gentle pine
I assume the steel/grass one?
Cuz it actually has good attack
anchor shot is a great move to have too
Gyro Ball should be extremely strong on it
You can get down to 81 speed lol
First thing that popped into my head. Meant to change out Anchor for Gyro tho.
Also, it might be tankier overall if I did defense instead of HP?
void willow
Pretty sure you always want those EVs in HP
Body Press does do more damage with defense, but still
I've seen some rare cases of AV mons who ran 252 Atk/252 SpD (for example Alolan Muk in SM UU), but I've never seen anything that ran 252 Atk/252 Def with AV
red spear
It depends. HP is the go-to because it adds bulk on both sides. Max HP max Def or SpDef is the bulkiest you can get for one side. But if you’re looking at 252 attack, with 252 in one of the defenses or HP, you only really go into the specific defense if you really want to prioritize. A mon with 252 SpDef takes less from a special move than a mon with 252 HP
But consequently takes more from a physical move because you have no HP or Def investment
void willow
I very much agree, but with an Assault Vest I do believe there's more value investing in HP (or even SpD) instead of Def
red spear
Yeah I mean, AV means that every point in SpDef is actually 1.5 points, so if you’re going for a specially defensive mon you definitely want to just give it SpDef instead of Def or HP. If you are going for an offensive mon and don’t really care about it tanking hits from one side only, then HP is probably the better call
Also if you’re calculating to survive something specific (i.e. you need 376 HP and 276 Def to survive a specific hit, and 376 HP and 296 SpDef to survive this other hit), put your nature in the higher of the two stats, you’ll reach your target stat faster and save EVs you can use elsewhere
snow pike
First thing that popped into my head. Meant to change out Anchor for Gyro tho.
National dex?
nova willow
probably since body press didn't existed in gen 7
snow pike
Own-weather abusers are fun to play around with
Funny thing is these 2 could work on the same team
Fast full weather teams aren't that good I feel like with extreme speed everywhere
Unless you are a steel type I guess
gentle pine
It depends. HP is the go-to because it adds bulk on both sides. Max HP max Def o...
Thanks for the explanation. I was just weighing my options between wanting just insane special bulk with the vest or make it more balanced for physical
to clarify
Already knew that was the case
But thanks for explaning it to other person
And I would like more damage from Body Press
Could also just as easily just not use the move
Brick Break only 5 less power with the higher stat
So it's probably right about the same damage with max def invest
actually
Hammer Arm
and swap Anchor Shot with Gyro Ball
boreal echo
Hey, I'm having an issue with the showdown teambuilder. Would that be for here or Tech sup?
quiet salmon
did you make sure you have a format selected
quiet salmon
np
cinder remnant
boreal stirrup
Hi everyone, im trying to get the best rain setter for my team. Id love it if it can be weak to grass or elec because i have a sap sipper and a motor drive sweeper. these are my prototypes: https://pokepast.es/a103d6c6640415e9
I want it to be able to get rid of hazards and/or threathen the opposing setter
tired comet
Holy moly that's a lot of frogs
tired comet
IF Dex OU doesn't allow for repeat mons, though
sterile glacier
You have water STAB so you're gonna be able to threaten anything that isn't also setting rain.
boreal stirrup
IF Dex OU doesn't allow for repeat mons, though
who do you think fits best?
boreal stirrup
You have water STAB so you're gonna be able to threaten anything that isn't also...
that's fair, so really i just need a water type with high speed&taunt&drizzle or bulky prankster&rain dance
sterile glacier
Don't manually set weather, that just sucks
boreal stirrup
Polimie (Politoed) @ Damp Rock
Ability: Drizzle
Fusion: Starmie
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Rapid Spin
- Hidden Power [Dark]
- Scald
- Recover
im just scared of ghost hazard setter
Polibat (Politoed) @ Damp Rock
Ability: Drizzle
Fusion: Crobat
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Defog
- Scald
- Taunt
- Stealth Rock
sterile glacier
Why do you need hazard removal and rain setting on the same Pokemon?
boreal stirrup
handy on my lead
saves me a slot too
you think im letting it pull too much weight?
sterile glacier
I think "great, consistent lead", "reliable hazard setter", and "reliable weather setter" sound like three different roles to me
Two if you want to use a hazard lead, but in that case I'd still run a second thing with rocks in case your lead gets shut down or blown up by random bullshit
In the IF metagame, there's a functionally endless supply of random bullshit
tired comet
Literally random bullshit go
Magic Bounce appears sometimes too. I run Mold Breaker on my hazard lead.
sterile glacier
Yeah I saw a mold breaker hazard lead earlier tonight for the first time. Nasty surprise. If I'd been thinking, I would have kept my lead in instead of swapping to my magic bouncer
Especially because once I brought my lead back in he just swept the entire enemy team lmao
I've been bullying all the hazard leads with a Hawlucha/Weavile with fake out/normal gem to activate acrobatics and unburden, taunt to force 'em to swap or eat a big hit for free, and knock off and acrobatics to make their switch regret showing up to the party
tired comet
Why must you bully my Sticky Web setter like that
sterile glacier
Because scummy web is annoying, even if my team tends to outspeed even if the webs go up I've noticed
The last guy I faced had to stack scummy web and tailwind just to get the outspeed on like half of them
Hahaha chlorophyll and unburden go brrr
tired comet
Yeah, I guess Sticky Web isn't that viable in this meta.
sterile glacier
I mean it's probably viable if you aren't facing me exactly
tired comet
But it's the only team I've fully built lol
sterile glacier
I haven't seen anyone else stacking comical amounts of speed for no real reason
sterile glacier
Pixilate Extreme Killers are why I have a Jirachi/Tankchomp with rocky helmet, rough skin, and a physically bulky spread
None of them can kill this
tired comet
I always have my Substitute Hymega for them
sterile glacier
Hm. I kind of want to try Weavile/Infernape instead of Weavile/Hawlucha. It's not as comically fast, but it's still really fast, it's better against ghost/steel leads because it doesn't need to land a fake out, and it has STAB close combat...
Do I take Mach Punch or Pursuit?
I think I'll try it with pursuit
If I'm getting outsped by what I'm bringing this to fight I have bigger problems, and if it's an extreme killer and I stayed in like an idiot I deserve to get crushed
quiet salmon
Polibat (Politoed) @ Damp Rock
Ability: Drizzle
Fusion: Crobat
EVs: 252 HP...
neither crobat nor politoed get sr
tired comet
Do I take Mach Punch or Pursuit?
Dark/Fighting with Iron Fist sounds strong as a wallbreaker.
quiet salmon
i dont see how iron fist improves its wallbreaking capabilities
tired comet
It's just a damage boost? I don't see a better ability for a Weavile/Infernape.
quiet salmon
this looks like a pretty weak mon anyway
tired comet
:(
Well I dunno what kind of wallbreakers you're running
Actually you're probably not even running any
quiet salmon
i use different teams
tired comet
Already better than me 
What do you recommend as a strong wallbreaker then? One that doesn't need boosts to get past walls, preferably.
I use a Choice Specs Latios/Magnezone.
quiet salmon
most good wallbreakers are special bc there exists better special oriented abilities
latios zone sounds p bad
tired comet
It has strong Draco Meteors and Ice Beams, Levitate against Ground types, and Volt Switch just for slow pivoting.
quiet salmon
neither learn flamethrower
quiet salmon
surf hits what
tired comet
.... nothing.
I guess Flash Cannon for Fairy types?
C'mon, I can't just be realising my wallbreaker sucks, actually.
quiet salmon
wallbreaker walled by steels sounds pretty bad
boreal stirrup
Regiblade (Regice) @ Eviolite
Ability: No Guard
Fusion: Doublade
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Def / 252 SpD
Impish Nature
- Spectral Thief
- Zap Cannon
- Blizzard
- Focus Blast
lmao
on a rain team you got pretty much no weakness
400 spdef def before eviolite
quiet salmon
w no recovery and rocks weakness and being really easy to switch into in general
boreal stirrup
switch in on a stat boosted mon
boreal stirrup
What do you recommend as a strong wallbreaker then? One that doesn't need boosts...
gum (Sylveon) @ Choice Specs
Ability: Pixilate
Fusion: Noivern
EVs: 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Boomburst
- Draco Meteor
- Hurricane
- Flamethrower
quiet salmon
hurricane doesnt hit anything
boreal stirrup
sorry raiin
what about this
Party Trick (Porygon-Z) @ Choice Specs
Ability: Adaptability
Fusion: Noivern
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Dragon Pulse
- Boomburst
- U-turn
- Defog
quiet salmon
defog
boreal stirrup
bro it's just an idea, these are from specific teams
gusty burrow
All Noiverns fusions should be Boomburst/U-Turn/Flamethrower/[4th]
4th is usually Switcheroo but can be Draco Meteor
quiet salmon
i dont see any team that would require defog poryvern
boreal stirrup
often they're half finished 🙂
gusty burrow
A weird number of people use Jirachi/Tangrowth as their boomburst counter for some reason
boreal stirrup
or i was switching around sets
void willow
All Noiverns fusions should be Boomburst/U-Turn/Flamethrower/[4th]
4th is usuall...
I've actually seen Calm Mind before on a Sylvern; it caught me off guard because I usually expect it to be choiced, and I've had to switch out a sweeper at +2 SpA who normally would've outsped it for fear of it being scarfed
tired comet
Everybody gangsta until the Sylvern is a setup sweeper
snow pike
A weird number of people use Jirachi/Tangrowth as their boomburst counter for so...
I use jirachi arcanine
cedar kraken
Everybody gangsta until the Sylvern is a setup sweeper
the Gyro Ball in my pocket:
when the legal NatDex OU set (opponent doesn't have a pivot move, trunst)
keen dawn
yeah i mean that strat is legal in vanilla natdex its just upgraded here
sterile glacier
And it doesn’t get nuked by a fire or ground move the moment you try it?
red spear
You’d have to hit it really hard to OHKO, let alone nuke
That said, I’d personally go full physical, Chandelure aside I feel like the main threats are coming from Entei and Haxorus fusions
Like physical bulk
Oh wait that’s NatDex my dumb ass
robust rapids
@dim jackal I'm sorry 
dim jackal
<@385229260916391936> I'm sorry <:pain:784918726986301451>
Its fine
quiet salmon
why protect
dim jackal
I just couldn't break it
robust rapids
why protect
for extra healing, incase of strong special attacks, the 4th slot could be whatever
quiet salmon
for 6% healing off a koff vulnerable mon?
robust rapids
I could run toxic or stored power i guess
quiet salmon
53 spa unboosted stored power with max 140 bp
robust rapids
deoxys doesnt get stored power nvm
gusty burrow
Toxic would be better to hit ghosts
honest umbra
Why must you bully my Sticky Web setter like that
fake out + espeed = death
typically my solution to setters is to just kill
with fakeout to break sash
muted oar
<@385229260916391936> I'm sorry <:pain:784918726986301451>
Natdex?
honest umbra
saw granbull had quick feet, went "oo I can use speed guts to break things" and then realized it's a physical attack and you'd have to use toxic orb
and the only special attacking quick feet user is fucking
jolteon
"ah yes I 100% need more speed"
I still finished the set but that's the dumbest stuff I've seen
quiet salmon
quick feet tg works in bh but youd have to use ampharos or lanturn
Ability: Quick Feet
Fusion: Jolteon
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Thunderbolt
- Focus Blast
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Tail Glow```Toxic Orb + Quick Feet might sound like it works in theory but the damage increasing over time makes it too easy for certain mons to just bait your attacks with good switches and protect, and have you kill yourself over time from poison damage
void willow
```Amphaeon (Ampharos) @ Flame Orb
Ability: Quick Feet
Fusion: Jolteon
EVs...
that's a pretty interesting set, though what's your opinion on using Lanturn compared to Ampharos for this? you get less SpA in exchange for Water STAB, and Ice Beam instead of HP Ice
quiet salmon
much less spa
void willow
yep, but in return you won't have to rely on Focus Miss and HP Ice for coverage
robust rapids
I dont see much of a point in worrying about quick feet when you could just use an unburden mon
quiet salmon
one time use
tired comet
Saw how cool the Klinklang/Entei fusion looked and I kinda wanted a good Fairy resist, so I made this.
But I'm not sure what fourth move I should run since it doesn't get Earthquake.
snow pike
Could use Facade then
Unless you need the coverage
(Unrelated) been trying to make this work
tired comet
Adaptability Thousand Arrows....
Unfortunately it doesn't look bulky enough to run a Recover set.
Poor thing's stats are too middling to do anything special. Sad.
snow pike
it's relatively physically bulky
tired comet
Ah yes
With 81 HP and 96 Def....
I guess my Technician meme would also be physically bulky?
snow pike
that's a very bulky mon
snow pike
(Unrelated) been trying to make this work
You could probably also use a choice scarf but I'm sick of choice scarves
tired comet
Choice Scarf on my... priority stacking set?
dreamy agate
only upside would be it would outrun other non espeed priorty users
but thats not much of an upside
tired comet
Outspeeding Pixilate ESpeed and revenge killing it would be an achievement.
dreamy agate
but sadly that wouldn't happen with that scizor
e speed out prioritizes ice shard and bullet punch
dreamy agate
I guess my Technician meme would also be physically bulky?
though i suppose you could live a pixilate e speed with this
no fire moves though
a lot of the time your defensive stats mean nothing with a quad weakness to something with high bp moves
void willow
it also gets completely destroyed by Mach Punch, but it doesn't seem too common anyway
snow pike
Choice Scarf on my... priority stacking set?
i was talking about my pokemon
worthy basin
Ferroseed X Anything gets eviolite boosted right?
sterile glacier
Yes
boreal stirrup
i think i should replace my azumachomp, what do you feel like is missing here? https://pokepast.es/22e7bc5e281bac6f
quiet salmon
azumachomp is p bad yeah
tired comet
Why that EV spread for it?
And why Aqua Tail, I thought it got Liquidation, that tends to be better.
Or Aqua Jet for priority.
snow pike
My team lost to azumachomp lol
It's specific
But that team I used was kinda bad so idk
My new team doesn't lose to it
tired comet
My team needs a good answer to setup sweepers tbh
But running an Unaware mon on a HO team sounds... strange.
dim jackal
But running an Unaware mon on a HO team sounds... strange.
Doublade spectral theif?
tired comet
Sounds slow. And you'd get murdered if the opposing sweeper had too many buffs.
rich basalt
But running an Unaware mon on a HO team sounds... strange.
Maybe a prankster haze mon? It could also set up screens for your team, which should help you switch to your attackers
boreal stirrup
Why that EV spread for it?
wanted to get certain speed after x1.5
tired comet
Ah, I see.
boreal stirrup
see alot of spattackers about that range
boreal stirrup
And why Aqua Tail, I thought it got Liquidation, that tends to be better.
true!
any suggestions for the replacement?
boreal stirrup
azumachomp is p bad yeah
yea it doesnt give me a lot of advantage, its bbrick break was useful against steel levitate mons and screens
but i might just as well run that only on electivire
robust rapids
Maybe a prankster haze mon? It could also set up screens for your team, which sh...
drifblim/klefki gives you screens, haze, and destiny bond in case of dark type set up
robust rapids
remove my rocks I dare you
tired comet
Kid named Rapid Spin:
robust rapids
what rapid spin mon would want to sit on this though? cloyster? hardly ever see it
tired comet
A bulky Donphan fusion could handle it.
robust rapids
still a really strong mon
even with brave nature you still outspeed most common ferrothorn and tangrowth fusions
assuming fire blast hits
gusty burrow
The only rapid spin fusions I've seen have been donphan
honest umbra
I guess my Technician meme would also be physically bulky?
that's cursed as fuck
mostly because mamoswine is just
better
obv less bulky but like
come on
not even gonna bother with speed
honest umbra
remove my rocks I dare you
kid named grass type
kid named will-o-wisp
what I mean is that for an "anti-hazard removal" mon it gets chased out or neutered easily enough
I feel like a bisharp could a better job
it's decent defensively, dont get it confused, it just seems slow enough for something to just kinda kill it before it achieves something
I feel like a dark/poison or fairy/steel bisharp could do a better job
just by merit of not having a 4x weakness
muted oar
obv less bulky but like
His whole point was to make it bulky
honest umbra
he said "I guess my technician would also be bulky"
which by context means it's prolly just a byproduct
unless you were around when he built the thing
teal umbra
Curious on opinions on this bulky specs for gen 7 ou
robust rapids
politoed might be better for rain boost on pump and thunder
swap blizzard for ice beam since no compound eyes
quiet salmon
this is neither bulky nor strong nor fast
gentle pine
Yeah, I was about to say something about it being sent out to die to something in 1 hit
Anything with meaningfully high offense will take it out in 1 neutral hit
Especially phyisically
teal umbra
damn, any suggestions on improvements besides Kapple's?
robust rapids
something like this, would probably work best with sticky web support (swap u-turn for volt switch im dumb)
or this if you wanna recreate pelliper
honest umbra
are there any good aurorus fusions for the explicit purpose of invalidating other weather types to neuter swift swim or sand rush sweepers
teal umbra
I think Sun would just be better
teal umbra
Solar Power?
honest umbra
I feel like you missed the point
my whole issue is that I literally can't feasibly consistently deal with speed boosted weather sweepers
teal umbra
I feel like you missed the point
yes I did, technician priority then?
honest umbra
and I dont want to use a mon that can possibly enable another person's team
honest umbra
yes I did, technician priority then?
what is technician priority one shotting
it's still 60 bp
teal umbra
maybe First Impression then, it's 90 bp, follow with priority to deal the rest
honest umbra
plus one mon can't feasibly one shot all of the potential weather sweepers
as in I have to worry about armaldo, sandslash, lycanroc, kingtdra, kabutops, venusaur, leafeon
and first impression doesnt flinch
and it's bug type
gentle pine
damn, any suggestions on improvements besides Kapple's?
Pretty much just use better mons lol
Idk if Kyogre is allowed or not, but that’s obviously a much more powerful rain setter than Politoed.
teal umbra
it's not
teal umbra
Politoed is the only Drizzle mon in Gen 7 IF OU
gentle pine
Then yeah, the 2 sets that were proposed seem decent
teal umbra
except for anyone's future reference, neither Politoed nor Raikou learn U-Turn, but Raikou learns Volt Switch
gentle pine
Though I might’ve gone with Jolteon over Raikou just for the extra speed tbh
100 is just not very fast
teal umbra
and only 5 less SpA, hmm
teal umbra
Raikou has better HP though
honest umbra
https://pokepast.es/28f5cf4f98a980fd
Honestly dont think I can get this much further on my own so hlep
quiet salmon
i dont understand last mon
honest umbra
issues with hazards that I needed to deal with somehow
quiet salmon
mamochomp scarf is a waste when it has ddance imo
honest umbra
prolly need to change that set anyways
honest umbra
I no longer have an abject need to deal with ice as much
honest umbra
dark water suspicious
anti prankster/hazard mon
water is there because fire and ice are bothersome
quiet salmon
what does prank do
honest umbra
I'm trying to prevent hazards from going up
because just letting it be has lost me games I felt I could win
quiet salmon
ok how does being dark help
honest umbra
prankster is generally annoying
especially will-o-wisp
shit's a nightmare if I dont watch it
quiet salmon
u have a flare boost mon
honest umbra
and it's not exactly durable
quiet salmon
pranks have no power
honest umbra
to me that's like saying you have 5 ground weak mons and 1 flying
quiet salmon
grounds are common and cause you to lose if you dont resist it
prank wisp is rare and at worst you get crippled
honest umbra
why would I want to basically lose to something on match-up
quiet salmon
you dont
honest umbra
explain the detailed solution to will-o-wisp prankster as it stands
i feel like im missing something that you're thinking of
quiet salmon
switch into burned mon
honest umbra
which then has a neutered attack stat and can't meaningfully hurt it
also also
hazards will probably be up
I just get worn down to death
quiet salmon
you have a burned mon that does not care about a neutered atk stat and has recovery
pranksters by nature have low bulk
honest umbra
that's also not very defensively sound
quiet salmon
whats not defensively sound is every mon here getting 2hkod by specs boomburst
honest umbra
god damn it
quiet salmon
ur running offense why are you surprised about not being defensively sound
honest umbra
I don't know exactly how to work it beyond it dies in one hit a lot
and that anti-burn property is just insufficient when hazards are up
because it can get forced out
i've been running most of this team for a good bit, I just had a really bad series of losses and it's been rough trying to patch the holes without making new ones
especially because I decided to get rid of the metagross/arcanine I was running
snow pike
which one is better
light lion
probably the electrode one
tired comet
110 Speed is enough for most things. The Jolteon fusion has better stats other than speed imo
Aren't there better choices for a Water Absorb fusion, though? Unless this is a Drizzle set.
snow pike
its drizzle
tired comet
Ah
snow pike
pretty good
tired comet
Another one on the list of good Dragonite fusions.
gentle pine
No special bulk though, so you gotta be careful
rapid glade
Design a half decent set
Copy it on the import/export tab
Submit it in the form linked in #showdown-announcements
past ore
I’m trying to make a set out of I sprite I made to submit, is this the best set possible?
teal umbra
how's this as a Fairy killer?
snow pike
too slow to use max speed tbh
if it had agility or rock polish you could use that with a lorb but I don't think it has that
Maybe if you have webs/a paralysis spreader/tailwind user (although I've never actually seen anyone use tailwind in singles)
or use jinine 
(i love using this Pokémon)
roar is a way to get rid of setup
though many have good moves and will do alot of damage
past ore
how's this as a Fairy killer?
Ground weakness makes it less reliable I think
Also use sub over flssh cnnon
Also does nidoking not get sludge wave?