showdown-teambuilding

[halcyon garden]

[rapid glade]

ambipom is stronger than persian

[halcyon garden]

That's what we're here for haha

[worthy anvil]

I figured if it was a bad idea, folks would tell me a better one ^^

[halcyon garden]

I'm not a huge fan of Ambipom or most mono Normal types anyway

[rapid glade]

i did put metagross ambipom on my team for double iron bash once but it didnt really get a chance to do anything

[halcyon garden]

And lots of stuff learns Fake Out

And Technician can also be passed around with fusions.

You're more limited with Technician than anything else honestly.

Mr. Mime/Kangaskhan doesn't have amazing stats but it's at 490. Normal Psychic is interesting typing, not great but not awful. It gets STAB Technician Fake Out too

[worthy anvil]

Oh, it says reflect is illegal on this fusion in IF OU. Any idea why?

[upper granite]

yea pretty weird, i was gonna use this fusion to

[rapid glade]

whimsicott only gets light screen apparently

and regi has neither

[upper granite]

ig ill give it stealth rocks?

[worthy anvil]

Klefki gets both

[upper granite]

so i should do registeal klefki?

[outer steeple]

I like running hitmontop/klingklang. Technician fake out with gear grind. Fighting/steel is good typing. You could run defensive ev's and shift gear to sweep. Could also run rapid spin for hazard clear or thunderwave for speed control. Technician power-up punch is scary too

[worthy anvil]

Does this seem better? Any advice for more offensive mons I should add that could counter current threats?

[robust rapids]

something that doesnt get swept by EQ probably lol

[worthy anvil]

Yeah I was told to remove my one flying type and add another steel type ^^; So adding something w/ ground immunity is definitely at the top of my list ^^

[worthy anvil]

For Mudile, do folks think I should stick w/ poison jab for the extra coverage or would baneful bunker for the extra healing from black sludge be worth considering?

[halcyon garden]

I'd you don't add Baneful Bunker is replace Black Sludge with Air Balloon personally

[ancient ermine]

pls run unaware or haze

[halcyon garden]

Why is Geomancy there? How does it get that?!

[ancient ermine]

Celebi can learn it on showdown

[worthy anvil]

Celebii gets it in IF iirc

[halcyon garden]

That's absurdity HOLY SHIT

[worthy anvil]

Might go for BB then since being able to scout attacks is always nice ^^

[ancient ermine]

x3 in spatk spdef and speed

[worthy anvil]

Yeah, that reminds me I need an unaware mon for my team too ^^;

[ancient ermine]

but can be countered by unaware or haze kek

better play haze since unware is previsible and people are wary of it

[quaint patrol]

absolutely terrifying

would have swept me if it weren't for my wob fusion

[ancient ermine]

honesly impostor doesnt work because of recover

pray for crit

amen

[worthy anvil]

Could prankster topsy turvy be any good?

[quaint patrol]

what if mons get topsy turvy

[worthy anvil]

Hitmontop and Wobbuffer iirc

[ancient ermine]

thats can be pretty good yeah

[quaint patrol]

no

its only malamar

not in the if dex

[worthy anvil]

Move tutor in IF

[quaint patrol]

well its not in showdown

[worthy anvil]

https://infinitefusion.fandom.com/wiki/Move_Expert_Move_Lists?so=search

[ancient ermine]

anti setup

[sage lodge]

https://pokepast.es/c4200e31d86e7681

can this team be any better

[worthy anvil]

Looks like Hitmontop needs to be part psychic or dark to get it but seems like Wobbufett can learn it so long as it’s fused

[quaint patrol]

cool

[jaunty geode]

why no guard clef other then sing

[worthy anvil]

Actually looks like any Hitmontop fusion can get it

[upper granite]

it might be just for sing

[jaunty geode]

i would think magic gueard would be better

[sage lodge]

https://replay.pokeathlon.com/#replay=totalsylv-yoshispal-1700423416124

yay

first battle and I won

[upper granite]

using your team rn

[sage lodge]

yeah its for sing

nothing else

[jaunty geode]

why not magic gured

[sage lodge]

ngl it was a pretty close match

[upper granite]

dragonite slyveon seems a little to good

[obsidian harness]

pixilate in general is really overbearing

both dragonite and noivern

[stiff gate]

i haven't seen a zapmolticuno on ladder yet, and probably for good reason

evaporates on contact with stealth rocks

[upper granite]

ladder seems very doable

the person im fighting is using perish song stall and its pretty good

[dreamy lion]

What are the chances to flinch on Jirachi SereneGrace Double iron bash?

[jaunty geode]

80%

i think

[obsidian harness]

it's 60% per hit, not sure what that comes out to in total

[dreamy lion]

nuts

and is it Aipom or Jirachi that they gave DIB to?

[obsidian harness]

it's any double slap user fused with a steel type

[upper granite]

https://replay.pokeathlon.com/#replay=zerupy-theligmaconspiracy-1700424752778 my match using your team ( i lost )

[slim mesa]

I'm back, what have people been cooking (for regional OU)?

[upper granite]

can we please have species clause

im fighting someone with 3 jirachis

[halcyon garden]

Each hit has a 60% chance so if the first hit doesn't flinch, that's the 40%, which 60% of that would be 24%, so it's an 84% chance to flinch.

[halcyon garden]

That's not already in place?!

[obsidian harness]

nope

[upper granite]

its not

its needed

[halcyon garden]

That's idiotic.

[dreamy lion]

RUNNING a team of 6 Porygon-Z

How is that allowed

[obsidian harness]

me on my way to run 6 toxapex/ferrothorn fusions :)

[upper granite]

itsn ot even that

their shouldnt be 3 jirachis on a team

[dreamy lion]

I think they just have to be different fusions to mot be species

[obsidian harness]

yeah i know i was just making a joke

[warm marsh]

I'd assume the reason there's not yet a species clause is because the different fusions are considered different species and that hasn't been implemented.

[halcyon garden]

The code for a fusion species clause would be simple, it's just two sets of six fields to verify aren't duplicated instead of one set of six fields.

[dreamy lion]

But I mean, it’s kind of like a mono type team, I fought a guy with a full Kecleon team

[robust rapids]

you havent fought the milkman yet have you?

[modern bear]

wait this is real?

[upper granite]

im fighting you rn

[slim mesa]

Oof, I'm sorry

[robust rapids]

man had all max speed thick fat miltank fusions and his only move was milk drink

[modern bear]

if possible can i get a link?

[robust rapids]

i forgor to save the replay

[upper granite]

https://replay.pokeathlon.com/#replay=theligmaconspiracy-almightymilkman-1700423099318

its the same guy

[slim mesa]

Sounds almost as menacing as a fan rotom with Air Ballon

[robust rapids]

https://replay.pokeathlon.com/#replay=theligmaconspiracy-almightymilkman-1700423099318&player=milk i found it

[warm marsh]

What, precisely, is your issue with multiple Jirachi fusions?

[robust rapids]

you would be suprised how bulky those things are

[slim mesa]

Whitney gaming

[robust rapids]

my team didnt have any set up mons, so it was painful

[upper granite]

i just dont like fighting 3 serene grace mons

[craggy remnant]

@robust rapids are you using the same destiny block lapras?

[warm marsh]

it's perhaps not the most preferable, but not necessarily banworthy

[west locust]

So like, you mean to say there should be species clause?

[robust rapids]

yeah its cheap af

[upper granite]

thats what i said

[craggy remnant]

Wanted to ask you, why scald?

[robust rapids]

even if you can't block them, just putting the perish song out forces them to switch

[robust rapids]

i replaced it with haze

[sage lodge]

does this technically mean I've fought whoever that is with my team lol

[craggy remnant]

can you paste your team? research purpose

[sage lodge]

because it is my team

[upper granite]

are you perhaps 1424 elo

[robust rapids]

https://pokepast.es/7e91624ca3210921

[sage lodge]

so technically

[upper granite]

thanks on the team and congrats on top 1

[sage lodge]

I fought against you

[robust rapids]

its not even that cheap, i feel like ive been lucky to not run into the other high elo players

[sage lodge]

Clefblade (Clefable) @ Eviolite
Ability: No Guard
Fusion: Doublade
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Calm Mind
• Moonblast
• Sing
• Secret Sword

also what should I do about this

[robust rapids]

probably replace secret sword for shadow ball, still hits steel neutral but also hits poison

[craggy remnant]

thanks a lot

[west locust]

On IF dex AG and doubles there is species clause but not OU for some reason

[slim mesa]

No guard is for sing I assume? It doesn't really do a lot...

[sage lodge]

Also Zerupy used my team against you lol

[brisk creek]

no guard just for sing, idk if it's really worth

[robust rapids]

my team also respects species clause, so if that ever changes its still good

[sage lodge]

feels bad that they chose my team to go with

[craggy remnant]

no dupe mons?

[upper granite]

i didnt, i used my own team

[craggy remnant]

I was wondering was that not in the format tho

[sage lodge]

https://replay.pokeathlon.com/#replay=zerupy-theligmaconspiracy-1700424752778

you didnt?

[halcyon garden]

Jirachi isn't the best example but there are ALWAYS specific Pokémon, fusion or not, that should be banned, there's always been a species clause in OU on Smogon.

[slim mesa]

Btw, how is Registeel performing? Saw it in some games other people had but never played against it...

[upper granite]

oh

mb

[sage lodge]

registeel has issues I think with validation

[jaunty geode]

i would say good

[robust rapids]

it makes you tanky but thats about it, doesnt really add much for moves/abilites

[warm marsh]

i must confess those two thoughts don't seem connected

specific pokemon should be banned, but that's not connected to species clause

[slim mesa]

So...worse Toxapex?

[robust rapids]

basically

[slim mesa]

Alright

[warm marsh]

and I do think there SHOULD be a species clause, but I also think it should only be based on fusions, not individual species in fusions

[halcyon garden]

No, just because a specific Pokémon isn't banned from OU doesn't mean that it also can be used more than once.

[warm marsh]

Sorry, still not following the train of thought here.

[halcyon garden]

I may not have said it right

[slim mesa]

I'm gonna make a Gliscor team now

[halcyon garden]

Sorry

[warm marsh]

You're fine

[sage lodge]

Clefblade (Clefable) @ Eviolite
Ability: No Guard
Fusion: Doublade
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Calm Mind
• Moonblast
• Sing
• Secret Sword

[warm marsh]

Have fun dying to Ice types, I suppose

[sage lodge]

what is a good replacement fusion for this

[warm marsh]

ooh, clefblade!

Clefblade is fun because you can give it Zap Cannon

100% accuracy, 100% paralyze

[sage lodge]

wait what

[halcyon garden]

Here's an example: Dragonite. It would make all of its fusions have the 600 BST for the calculations AND access to Multiscale and Roost. That's... A severe problem.

[sage lodge]

sylnite my beloved

[upper granite]

also extreem speed

[warm marsh]

True, but anything that will kill one Dragonite is liable to kill most/all of them.

Also, the other half of the fusion still needs to be considered.

[dreamy lion]

Also you need rocks just for Dnites

[halcyon garden]

The purpose of the species clause is to prevent someone abusing a single Pokémon that would then require a full team just to combat.

[warm marsh]

Hm, I suppose that makes sense

[dreamy lion]

I feel hazards are more important now than ever

[sage lodge]

Sylnite (Sylveon) @ Choice Band
Ability: Pixilate
Fusion: Dragonite
Alt: b
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature

• Extreme Speed
• Double-Edge
• Fire Punch
• Earthquake

[warm marsh]

I admit I'm not a competitive pokemon player, I'm just a spriter

[sage lodge]

sylnite my beloved

[halcyon garden]

A Steel type fusion with it basically walls everything that would kill a Dragonite normally.

[warm marsh]

Hmm, then what do you use against the steel type?

[halcyon garden]

Oh it's fine, I'm just explaining, albeit poorly haha

[sage lodge]

now this is just my favorite fusion

[dreamy lion]

I feel like a lot of the problems stem from there only being one tier

[sage lodge]

I love the alt

[upper granite]

Porytei (Porygon-Z) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Adaptability
Shiny: Yes
Fusion: Entei
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Extreme Speed
• V-create
• Stomping Tantrum
• Stone Edge

ive been trying to use this but i dont know what team i would use it on

[warm marsh]

If you have a perfect counter to any Dragonite fusion, that's still only one Pokemon, and you can dedicate another to steel type fusions

...maybe this is crazy talk lol

[dreamy lion]

Busted mons belong in OU, we need lower tiers to actually experiment in and have fun. But this is a testing phase

[sage lodge]

speaking of dragonite

Sylnite (Sylveon) @ Choice Band
Ability: Pixilate
Fusion: Dragonite
Alt: b
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature

• Extreme Speed
• Double-Edge
• Fire Punch
• Earthquake

how good is this

[halcyon garden]

Any Fighting, Ground, or Fire attacks would do basically no damage to it, but you wouldn't use those for a normal Dragonite counter.

[upper granite]

dies to sylveon arcanine

[sage lodge]

well yeah you just fought it

also theres earthquake for a reason

[halcyon garden]

Right, but the whole point is to try and build a team that counters as much as possible. If even two different Pokémon require a full team to counter and those two teams must differ, it's impossible to have a team very evenly built for as many threats as possible.

[jaunty geode]

every tier is going to have busted mons it just the feature of a metagame

[halcyon garden]

Same logic as a single Pokémon being banned. If there are two, they basically break the meta

[upper granite]

choice band, maybe with life orb

[modern bear]

i am going to be able to plan so many theme teams

[dreamy lion]

But for now, the cream is really rising to the top

[sage lodge]

sylnite has still been probably my greatest mon on this team

[jaunty geode]

yeah early meta games are so in favour of HO

[warm marsh]

I think it's possible that the knife of "absolutely busted" might cut both ways, though

both teams will have one of those "pokemon that requires a full team to counter" pokemon

[dreamy lion]

Usually Ditto handles a lot of early meta game HO

[warm marsh]

I imagine it will lead to a lot of tiers somewhere down the line'

[sage lodge]

Also I used dragonite because of the fact that noivern and arcanine were being used so much that I wanted to use a different mon

[jaunty geode]

yeah but we dont have them

[halcyon garden]

Yes, this is the reason there are tiers. And a species clause. A game-breaking Pokémon or ability or move requires the entire meta to revolve around it until it's banished to a different tier.

[sage lodge]

so pretty much, I accidentally made this thing very good

[upper granite]

i think bans should only happen when a mon litterally cant be countered

[warm marsh]

...I'm probably not very smart in this department but I'm still not sure you've explained why we need the species clause for fusion pieces

Because, like, as an example, you wouldn't do that for an evolutionary line. And... I don't think you'd do it for Lycanrock forms?

[craggy remnant]

Any ideas of how to improve my team?
https://pokepast.es/fd347b3a224299a0
I have a lot of ground weekness on it

[halcyon garden]

Different forms and evolutions don't count. It has to be the exact Pokémon.

[jaunty geode]

or have limted counter play?

[upper granite]

yea

[sage lodge]

Sylnite (Sylveon) @ Choice Band
Ability: Pixilate
Fusion: Dragonite
Alt: b
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature

• Extreme Speed
• Double-Edge
• Fire Punch
• Earthquake

[slim mesa]

Why Sylveon with Raichu...?

[sage lodge]

ok but all things considered

[warm marsh]

And it's not as though "Dragonite/Doublade" is going to be very similar to "Dragonite/Hawlucha"

[halcyon garden]

Bans happen exactly like that. But it's not just Pokémon.

[warm marsh]

they'll still have Multiscale, sure, but that's about where the similarities end

[sage lodge]

how many counters does this have

[dreamy lion]

Do you really need two electic types?

[halcyon garden]

Multiscale, huge base stats, requires a Fairy to effectively survive, and can get Roost. That's insane. Add Extremespeed and sky high Attack and it's meta-breaking

[brisk creek]

i don't get the rain dance on the klefsect

[modern bear]

would azumarill/slaking huge power + choice scarf be any good?

[warm marsh]

If it is meta-breaking, the problem is Dragonite, not the lack of a Species Clause.

[craggy remnant]

I was looking for a Fake Out + ESpeed user and Raichu was the only one, but it's bugged so I sticked with QA. But yeah, it's not doing much. Do I change to Arcanine, Dragonite or Noivern?

[sage lodge]

why am I being ignored 😭

[jaunty geode]

talking

[warm marsh]

i think most of us are following different conversation threads.

[upper granite]

i wonder, 400+ speed, 150 atk with huge power

[modern bear]

seems pretty good lmao

[sage lodge]

I am just asking a question about my fusion

Sylnite (Sylveon) @ Choice Band
Ability: Pixilate
Fusion: Dragonite
Alt: b
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature

• Extreme Speed
• Double-Edge
• Fire Punch
• Earthquake

[glad vector]

Depends on if the opponent locks you into a move that they can wall

[halcyon garden]

Any dual type combo that's a combination of Fairy/Steel and Fire/Poison/Steel that's bulky and has Levitate or an Air Balloon

[slim mesa]

I think Dragonite for most reliable Revenge kills

[craggy remnant]

I used as a way to have less power in fire moves and set for raichu, but with politoed on my team, yeah, does not make sense

[upper granite]

youve asked 100 times

[halcyon garden]

Except that ONE Dragonite isn't the issue. More than one is

[sage lodge]

because I dont know if anyone is even looking

[warm marsh]

...Are you sure? Because I could easily say this about just one dragonite.

[rapid glade]

Fairy doesnt resist itself

[jaunty geode]

what your question about it

[dreamy lion]

This is meant to be team building, maybe some of this should go into general

[warm marsh]

...i can't read apparently

[halcyon garden]

Nope. I could beat most Dragonite fusions with one, max two Pokémon. But I can't build an entire team JUST to counter all the possible type combinations of Dragonite fusions ONLY

[sage lodge]

is it good and what can counter it

[jaunty geode]

steel flying come to mind to counter and it is very good

[modern bear]

does anyone know why some fusions dont show up on pokeathlon?

[robust rapids]

i would replace double edge with facade in case you get burned, but you can play around it with heal bell support if you dont want to

[sage lodge]

auto gen sprites

[modern bear]

yeah but i know that some actually have sprites

[dreamy lion]

Good coverage, there’ll always be some variation of fusion that can counter it. Trying it out is one of the best ways to find those counters

[sage lodge]

steel is a big downfall to it

also

for some reason

ice is super effective to it

[robust rapids]

yeah its a flying type

[sage lodge]

oh wait

I-

[dreamy lion]

Yeah, earthquakes is good but fire punch really doesn’t pack enough punch against Walls

[modern bear]

are reference sprites not included or smth

[sage lodge]

I completely forgot ice is super effective against flying

I dont use ice very often

in fact

[robust rapids]

deals with grass/steels and bug/steels when eq cant

[sage lodge]

I dont ever use it

[sage lodge]

yeah

[dreamy lion]

Stealth rocks are also a pretty big counter to a flying type with multiscale

[glad vector]

Ice is a pretty good offensive type. Hits ground, flying, grass and dragon for super effective damage

[robust rapids]

ice is a good type to have in your movepool but not on your mon

[sage lodge]

I have an ice move on exactly two of my pokemon

icicle crash and ice beam

[glad vector]

Boltbeam 🗣️🗣️🗣️

[upper granite]

this is about teambuilding

[sage lodge]

Clefblade (Clefable) @ Eviolite
Ability: No Guard
Fusion: Doublade
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Calm Mind
• Moonblast
• Sing
• Secret Sword

also

what would be

a good replacement

[glad vector]

Does eviolite work? I thought it needed to be double pre evos

[sage lodge]

it gives exactly 1.25x if only half is preevo

[glad vector]

Ah

[dreamy lion]

Clefairy Doublade gives more defense

[sage lodge]

the speed is a problem tho

[dreamy lion]

maybe, don’t quote me

[sage lodge]

it's not speedy enough

[glad vector]

Probably. Doublade has an insane defense stat

[jaunty geode]

no that was like a game of telophone it is 1.5

[glad vector]

Doesnt need to be

[sage lodge]

also let me see if zap cannon actually is able to be added to the set

[glad vector]

Does clefable get teleport?

[glad vector]

Dont run zap cannon. Just run thunderbolt

[rapid glade]

Its gen 7 rules
So teleport is useless im pretty sure

[jaunty geode]

gen 7

[jaunty geode]

this

[glad vector]

Damn

[sage lodge]

its gen 7 OU

AG has too much bullcrap

[glad vector]

Gen 8 IF OU would be better imo

[warm marsh]

objection your honor, No Guard

[sage lodge]

yeah

[brisk creek]

sylv is that you who i fought ?

[sage lodge]

user?

[brisk creek]

nasurave

[glad vector]

Is zap cannon not the 2 turn charge move?

[robust rapids]

Zapbat (Zapdos) @ Choice Specs
Ability: Infiltrator
Fusion: Crobat
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Thunderbolt
• Giga Drain
• Hidden Power [Ice]
• Volt Switch
  thoughts? good mon on rain teams with thunder imo

[sage lodge]

hmm

who did you fight

[warm marsh]

...Surprisingly, I don't think there's any two-turn electric moves

[brisk creek]

someone called TheSilvySilv

[sage lodge]

nope

[dreamy lion]

You capped me with that earlier today. Hidden Power ice definitely worthwhile to pack

[sage lodge]

different person

[robust rapids]

zap cannon is like dynamic punch, 50/50 with guaranteed para

[glad vector]

Electro Shot

[brisk creek]

oh ok i thought lol

[sage lodge]

My user is TotalSylv

[worthy anvil]

How's this looking? Any suggestions for improvements/changes I could make or things I should add?

[glad vector]

Archaludon’s sig move

[craggy remnant]

Any suggestions for this move set?

Or is it even good?

[compact pebble]

use breloom instead

[craggy remnant]

I was missing a grass type on my team to counter spore moves

[compact pebble]

OR

whimsicott

[brisk creek]

is it parasect or klefki who learn defog ?

[compact pebble]

klefki

[robust rapids]

klefki

[rapid glade]

Klefki

[glad vector]

Does whim know spore?

[compact pebble]

yes

wait

[robust rapids]

no

[craggy remnant]

nope

[brisk creek]

no

[compact pebble]

no

my bad

i was thinking of this

[brisk creek]

this thing is so annoying for my team fr

[slim mesa]

And this ladies and gentleman is why I have 3 dark types in my team

[craggy remnant]

yeah, its better than mine

[compact pebble]

idk what to put on my sun team

[craggy remnant]

4x to flying is better than 4x to fire

[compact pebble]

im stuck on this screen for 15 mins now

[craggy remnant]

the fact you only got one mon LOL

[compact pebble]

yeah

[craggy remnant]

i know how you feel

[compact pebble]

i had to scrap 10 teams since release

[brisk creek]

at least a chlorophyll mon for sure

[compact pebble]

I AM LITERALLY 0/23 RN

[jaunty geode]

wait i have a calc somewhere

[glad vector]

and the mew looks incomplete ngl

[compact pebble]

now you listen ehre

[craggy remnant]

eruption abuser also

solar beam user

[slim mesa]

I personally would run this:
https://pokepast.es/c561c2fde18e31d5
But I get if you want to be more defensive

[jaunty geode]

this

and this

[sage lodge]

https://replay.pokeathlon.com/#replay=skiddzbop-shrimptheshrimp-1700427931272

omg

[muted oar]

What's your username I may have played you

[glad vector]

Ninetails + Fast Eruption user

[compact pebble]

Miwu.exe

i had an entire monster hunter team

that got oneshot by stupid magnet pull pokemon

[brisk creek]

i just realized i don't have a single fire resist on my team lol

if i were to fight a sun team i'd be destroyed haha

[muted oar]

I thought you were done with the competitive scene

[sage lodge]

Not my replay

[muted oar]

Oh okay

[upper granite]

can you help me put this ina team? it seems really fun a

[jaunty geode]

the sun team

?

[upper granite]

just any team in general

[jaunty geode]

sure do you want to move it to dms

?

[upper granite]

sure

[craggy remnant]

Thoughts?

[upper granite]

if your using espeed, reverse it

[craggy remnant]

why?

[prime eagle]

More speed

[dreamy lion]

And Attack

[craggy remnant]

oh, ok so do i just change it to a physical?

instead of special attacker

[prime eagle]

There’s a swap option

Click that

[dreamy lion]

Unless you WANT to be a special attacker with a e speed option

[lavish kiln]

If you want to use e speed to its fullest potential, swap it

[tall wyvern]

Something ain't right.

Why is Scizor/Haxorus Bug/Dragon?

[craggy remnant]

I think I'm losing potential being a Special mon now

Dragon Pulse -> Hurricane

[robust rapids]

if you want a special fairy dragon then use sylveon/noivern

[dreamy lion]

Recent update typings changed

[compact pebble]

anything i can do better?

[dreamy lion]

Trust the teambuilder

[craggy remnant]

I need a revenge killer, so I think I'll just swap to physical sylnine

[tall wyvern]

There goes my Technician Bullet Punch and Dual Chop combo.

[slim mesa]

Someone likes Expert Belt

[compact pebble]

ditto fusion with a scarf

idk what to put on there

there's like only 4 useful items

changed it to this

[dreamy lion]

Or you make the other fusion work for ya

[tall wyvern]

Name a Scizor Fusion that's Steel/Dragon and has both Bullet Punch and Dual Chop

[dreamy lion]

Haxorus head, Scizor body

[tall wyvern]

Nvm just found out Garchomp/Scizor

[dreamy lion]

Or that

[craggy remnant]

this?

[compact pebble]

attacks don't really matter

but yes

[craggy remnant]

I just picked the highest hp in OU

[compact pebble]

good choice

[dreamy lion]

Not OU

Both Ditto and Wobuffet are banned

[compact pebble]

they are not

[dreamy lion]

?

[compact pebble]

i used them earlier today

[muted oar]

It is insanely good

[tall wyvern]

Good Technician Move for Garchomp/Scizor?
Right now I have Dual Chop, Bullet Punch, and Swords Dance

[dreamy lion]

Sorry if I was mistaken

[muted oar]

But you just scarf/priority and it dies

[compact pebble]

don't worry

we all do mistakes

[muted oar]

All it takes is one bullet punch

[tall wyvern]

just in case

whats another one

[dreamy lion]

Bulldoze

[tall wyvern]

ok

[robust rapids]

could just run roost for survival or bulldoze

[muted oar]

It still has less power than earthquake even technician boosted

[dreamy lion]

For the speed drop

[robust rapids]

yeah but speed drops can be nice for screwing scarfers

[muted oar]

Just kidding you're right

[tall wyvern]

Team so far
https://pokepast.es/b7ac2d07c9d15a07

[muted oar]

Pretend I didn't say anything

[muted oar]

Isn't gliscor gonna be really weak on the special side if you fuse it with skarmory?

[hushed junco]

gliscor was never a Sp.D tank was it?

[tall wyvern]

...
CHANGE OF PLANS!

[unkempt pelican]

for a revenge killer run ambipom dragonite technician

Ambinite (Ambipom) @ Silk Scarf
Ability: Technician
Fusion: Dragonite
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Fake Out
• Extreme Speed
• Tail Slap
• Acrobatics

[dreamy lion]

I’d like to see some kind of hazard

[tall wyvern]

So I replaced Skarmory with Tyranitar

[robust rapids]

replace tail slap with double hit, more consistent

[unkempt pelican]

alright

[rapid glade]

It's nice to have to sponge a hit or two
Gliscor ran spdef sometimes for sure

[muted oar]

Goodra/Gliscor is impenetrable and doesn't undermine gliscors attack stat like skarmory does.

Just stay away from ice types

[jaunty geode]

no but it phy and hp are so high it can insve so in it dp.d

[tall wyvern]

Thats why I have Reuniclus/Chandelure and Garchomp/Scizor

[muted oar]

Nah it wasn't but when you have the option to make it so, then why not?

[muted oar]

Yeah you've already got ice resists

[unkempt pelican]

ive been running a bewear gliscor set

Becor (Bewear) @ Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal
Fusion: Gliscor
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Earthquake
• Protect
• Bulk Up
• Facade

[muted oar]

I feel like acrobatics isn't very useful there. Are you counting on getting knock off'd and then using acrobatics?

Couldn't you just run aerial ace

[robust rapids]

its only slightly weaker than aerial ace, and becomes stronger when knocked

even with technician

[sage lodge]

Clefblade (Clefable) @ Eviolite
Ability: No Guard
Fusion: Doublade
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Calm Mind
• Moonblast
• Sing
• Zap Cannon

[muted oar]

Well yeah but how often are you getting knocked?

[sage lodge]

good or nah?

[muted oar]

Eviolite is bugged it doesn't give the full boost atm

[robust rapids]

i mean the difference is negligible

[sage lodge]

its meant to do that...

[unkempt pelican]

ill try that

[robust rapids]

also gliscor and pex both learn it and those are everywhere

[muted oar]

Well yeah but it's not like that in the actual game.

[sage lodge]

doesnt matter, if they code it like that it's meant to be like that

[muted oar]

Well in the actual game it's coded to give the full boost and showdown is just supposed to be a simulator of the game

They only made it a halved boost because they were misinformed it was that way in game

[robust rapids]

Jidreigon (Jirachi) @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
Fusion: Hydreigon
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature

• Taunt
• Stealth Rock
• U-turn
• Doom Desire
  amazing anti-lead set, doom desire chunks even when uninvested

[rapid glade]

If you check the support issues thread, you'll see the coders thought eviolite gave 1.25x in infinite fusion

But theyre probably reverting to 1.5x since thats how it actually works

[muted oar]

What about magic bounce

Mold breaker W?

[robust rapids]

u-turn into a defogger or something threatening i guess

magic bounce cant stop defog

[sage lodge]

oh

[robust rapids]

jirachi/hawlucha could work, but doom desire wouldnt hit as hard and you have more weaknesses

[unkempt pelican]

i feel like smth is missin

[robust rapids]

also generally less bulk, but you are really fast

[craggy remnant]

The Tyrantrum and Cofagrigus fusions are not working well on my team. Any way to fix it? Changing to other mons, ect
https://pokepast.es/531d2d5bef746d56

[unkempt pelican]

(making this at school 💀)

[robust rapids]

drifblim might work better than cofagrigus with its big hp, but it doesnt have a sprite if you care about that

although honestly ghost flying is not that good of a typing

[craggy remnant]

yeah, maybe I can change it to another gliscor fusion instead, I don't have a good eye for roles missing on my team

Just got into smogon

Maybe the zapdos fusion you have could work

Oh I already got a zapdos fusion

nvm

[muted oar]

I mean that's what I said lol

[worthy anvil]

Feeling a bit stuck, how's this look so far? Any advice on how I can improve it or on things I should add?

[tall wyvern]

Any good pokemon to fusion with Jirachi?

[thorn zinc]

Any tips to improve it?

[obsidian harness]

ambipom

[robust rapids]

Tyranflame (Tyrantrum) @ Choice Band
Ability: Rock Head
Fusion: Talonflame
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Head Smash
• Brave Bird
• Flare Blitz
• U-turn
  maybe this over arcanine, faster and has u-turn for pivot

[tall wyvern]

Because?

[obsidian harness]

350 speed double iron bash with serene grace

[robust rapids]

put on a blindfold and randomly click on the list

[craggy remnant]

Damn, thanks a lot

[compact pebble]

so ihave thi sissue where i keep losing no matter what

hwo do i not lose

[robust rapids]

try winning instead

[craggy remnant]

I changed Gliscor to this tho, should I go back to the defensive counterpart?
Glischomp (Gliscor) @ Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal
Fusion: Garchomp
Alt: b
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Knock Off
• Earthquake
• Taunt
• Fire Fang

[sage lodge]

Oh hey it’s glischomp

[worthy anvil]

You probably don't want a negative attack nature on Swampcor if you're investing attack in it. Also Guillotine probably isn't the best move for it w/o anything to boost the accuracy

[robust rapids]

yeah i would make another bulky mon to pair with your pyukumuku

[thorn zinc]

Lock on with guillotine is a 100% ko, right?

[worthy anvil]

That's the Magnecor, you also have it on the Swampcor

Which doesn't have lock on

[tall wyvern]

What item should I put on Sylveon/Flygon

[compact pebble]

how about

no more sylveon fusions

:o

[tall wyvern]

N A H

[compact pebble]

i hate that rat

[tall wyvern]

first time building btw

[muted oar]

Do not use it, use Noivern instead it's strictly better

[tall wyvern]

And there goes my Steel-Type Coverage Earth Power

[compact pebble]

this needs a ban

rn

fuck this rat

[robust rapids]

novern learns flamethrower

[tall wyvern]

EVEN BETTER

now what item...

[robust rapids]

just use the other meta sylveon fusion and e-speed it

[compact pebble]

no

im not boring

[robust rapids]

could try finding a good infiltrator mon

[craggy remnant]

Just played against that, was fine tho

[robust rapids]

to outspeed and bypass screens

[compact pebble]

as i said

i keep losing

[craggy remnant]

I used Gon from the popular anime HXH against it

[compact pebble]

[sage lodge]

I don’t get this

I haven’t watched it

[upper granite]

rock paper scizzors, his main attacks'

[sage lodge]

?

[tall wyvern]

Why can't Azumarill/Blaziken learn Close Combat?

[jaunty geode]

Cause blaziken can’t learn it I think

[compact pebble]

high jump kick

[robust rapids]

or superpower

[compact pebble]

what's good against this

[tall wyvern]

Its Water/Fighting, right?

[compact pebble]

water,grass,fire

[tall wyvern]

Flying I guess.

[thorn zinc]

What about now?

[jaunty geode]

You need to know what set is running then figure out from there

[compact pebble]

liquidation, leaf blade, sowrds dance

idk the last

ngl

triple fusions should be ubers

[sage lodge]

Clefblade (Clefable) @ Eviolite
Ability: No Guard
Fusion: Doublade
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Calm Mind
• Moonblast
• Sing
• Zap Cannon

should I replace this or figure something out

[compact pebble]

my enitre team got swept

[unkempt pelican]

Technician better tbh not seren grace

[worthy anvil]

You should probably give your pokemon natures that work w/ the EVs you've invested

[tall wyvern]

Ok here's the Final Team.
https://pokepast.es/b26b06352d2a9b18

[sage lodge]

https://pokepast.es/a3871f7945d9132e

[robust rapids]

idk about ubers, but they are a lot stronger than people think

[sage lodge]

this is the team that goes with it

also I got a question

what do the tiers even mean

[robust rapids]

uhhh earthquake not earth power

[unkempt pelican]

How good a Pokemon is compared to how much it's used I believe

[tall wyvern]

whoops

[robust rapids]

tiers in normal smogon is strictly usage

[tall wyvern]

Fixed
https://pokepast.es/729e465e93bb0e0f

[robust rapids]

if you're gonna run a scarf on the chandelure, you want to max its speed ev's, although that thing is so slow an AV regenerator might be better

also change its nature to boost spatk

like modest

[unkempt pelican]

Adamant?

[robust rapids]

wait you realize thats an Anything goes team right?

[tall wyvern]

Changed Azumarill to Gyarados since its Ubers.
https://pokepast.es/729e465e93bb0e0f

And made the Format OU

[obsidian harness]

Serene Grace gives crazy flinch chance that's why I use it

[robust rapids]

i would change the choice band to choice scarf and use moxie

would be a great late game sweeper

[formal tide]

HELP ME

[unkempt pelican]

I've been running ambipom Dragonite fake out technician silk scarf with espeed and double hit, got aerial Ave for backup too

[formal tide]

How to teambuild

[robust rapids]

no elp

[formal tide]

Fine, I'll do it myself

[unkempt pelican]

Just find one mon that's the base of your team and build around kt

[tall wyvern]

but Chande has Scarf

[robust rapids]

it also has 0 speed ev's and a base 63 speed stat

[tall wyvern]

Not Anymore
https://pokepast.es/7fd8bcbd31555fb1

[sage lodge]

My team so far
https://pokepast.es/a3871f7945d9132e

[sage lodge]

for the last time, someone please help me with the clefblade

[thorn zinc]

Need one more poke, what should be?

[glad vector]

Wrong nature on Swampscor

[torn tartan]

when in doubt

[glad vector]

Actually what the hell is that moveset and spread

[torn tartan]

throw in the ray/kyo/gro triple fusion

[glad vector]

Guillotine Magnezone 😭

No evs

[robust rapids]

Gyaranape (Gyarados) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Moxie
Fusion: Infernape
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Close Combat
• Waterfall
• Earthquake
• U-turn
  infernape better than blaziken imo, more reliable fighting stab+faster

[tall wyvern]

ok

[thorn zinc]

I’m new at this thing, in game I just try to make a all one poke and that is it

[robust rapids]

you have 6 team slots, trying to make every 1 do everything is not good

[thorn zinc]

Lock on + guillotine + sturdy = insta kill, don’t it?

[sage lodge]

I need help with the clefblade

[glad vector]

Ohko moves are banned

Unless ag has them unbanned

[obsidian harness]

just be wary of choice scarfers and priority moves

[robust rapids]

replace sing with softboiled if you're gonna paralyze with zap cannon

[glad vector]

Also Species clause (two gliscor)

[sage lodge]

thats getting removed

[sage lodge]

should I just replace it orrr

[glad vector]

Mixed feelings about that

[sage lodge]

only for AG

[dreamy lion]

Recovery could get you out of a tight spot

[tall wyvern]

I think I found a new meta... (I'm CobaltRequiem)
https://replay.pokeathlon.com/#replay=sergiovicenteg3-cobaltrequiem-1700433440011

[sage lodge]

it's only getting removed for AG

[robust rapids]

species clause isnt even active in OU rn

[torn tartan]

Rate this shedinja fusion

[glad vector]

Glispert (Gliscor) @ Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal
Fusion: Swampert
EVs: 140 HP / 96 Atk / 252 Def / 20 Spe
Impish Nature

• Roost
• Stealth Rock
• Earthquake
• U-turn
  @thorn zinc this is what i would run

[upper granite]

most of them arent good

[worthy anvil]

Apologies for posting this again, but I'm a bit stuck rn. Any advice on things I should change/improve (I don't exactly know what I'm doing ^^;)

[torn tartan]

the regi trio fusion sucks so much

[upper granite]

cant tell if this is sarcasic

[robust rapids]

8x weak to fighting lol

[torn tartan]

they'll die to a power up punch

[dreamy lion]

Nice sweep

[tall wyvern]

Thanks

Technician Dual Chop is the best!
Fairy on field? Bullet Punch!
Holding a Life Orb makes it better!

[sage lodge]

I think I want to replace the clefblade

[upper granite]

this is the counter

[tall wyvern]

Indeed

[torn tartan]

I didn't think about dual chop

I've been using bullet seed which is very funny to use

[upper granite]

im assuming max atk, max speed?

[tall wyvern]

Yes. And Adamant Nature too!

I can share the build if you want

[torn tartan]

the real menace is that nobody has counters to sticky web atm

[tall wyvern]

Garzor (Garchomp) (M) @ Life Orb
Ability: Technician
Fusion: Scizor
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
IVs: 0 SpA

• Dual Chop
• Bullet Punch
• Swords Dance
• Bulldoze

[patent hatch]

Can’t wait for everyone to read this and start bringing Imposter Ditto fusions

[robust rapids]

prankster taunt, defog, magic bounce, etc etc

[torn tartan]

people need to start using those in their teams then

[sage lodge]

cant use soft boiled

[upper granite]

uhhh defog?

[sage lodge]

its bugged somehow

[torn tartan]

im not saying no counters

[patent hatch]

Rapid Spin too

[torn tartan]

im saying nobody is bringing those counters

[sage lodge]

it can use wish tho

cant use wish either

damn

[patent hatch]

Isn’t Recover still an option?

[robust rapids]

wait wha?

[sage lodge]

doesnt learn it

[robust rapids]

clefable learns wish and soft-boiled, is it not letting you use it in battle or in the team builder?

[sage lodge]

i press validate in team builder

and it gives a rejection message

[patent hatch]

I just checked soft-boiled on mine and it doesn’t give rejection message

[robust rapids]

it must be zap-cannon, maybe it was an event only move? or its just bugged

[sage lodge]

is it a clefblade with calm mind, moonblast. softboiled, and zap cannon

[patent hatch]

It’s a clefblade with Soft-Boiled only

[sage lodge]

put those four moves

[upper granite]

can someone send me a good non setup sweeper

[sage lodge]

it cant be

I was able to be valid when it had sing

[robust rapids]

Krookovile (Krookodile) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Moxie
Fusion: Weavile
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Icicle Crash
• Earthquake
• Knock Off
• Stone Edge/parting shot

[patent hatch]

Wth Zap Cannon made it break for some reason

[sage lodge]

why?

[robust rapids]

maybe zap cannon is an event only move and its incompatible with egg moves?

[sage lodge]

no

its the egg moves

whatever is an egg move causes the errors

[upper granite]

i already have a ground type in gliscor/swampert, also my hazard remover

[sage lodge]

I had this same problem with sucker punch on a weavile fusion

[patent hatch]

Apparently it’s only when both Zap Cannon and Soft-Boiled are in at the same time. One or other works perfectly fine

[robust rapids]

if you replace zap cannon with flamethrower and keep soft-boiled it still validates

[sage lodge]

and sucker punch is an egg move

[patent hatch]

Why, idk

[sage lodge]

its the egg move

which one is the egg move

[upper granite]

you got a different one? this is my team

[sage lodge]

if I get rid of it it will be valid

[upper granite]

if you REALY need an electric move use tbolt

[sage lodge]

is the egg move zap cannon?

[robust rapids]

no

[sage lodge]

then its soft boiled

thats the problem

[robust rapids]

zap cannon is either an event move or from gen 2 tms, so not compatible with breeding

[sage lodge]

egg moves dont work for some reason

[patent hatch]

Soft-Boiled is a Tutor Move, not Egg move

[robust rapids]

zap cannon was only available in gen 2 as a tm, soft boiled was a gen 3 tutor move

[sage lodge]

zap cannon is learned by tm for clefable

is that the problem

[robust rapids]

yeah, there was no way to bring gen 2 mons to gen 3 right?

[upper granite]

yea

[patent hatch]

Is that a tm in IF though?

[robust rapids]

no, but this showdown server isnt 100% accurate to the IF game

[sage lodge]

I think its soft boiled thats the problem

[robust rapids]

yet™️

[sage lodge]

because the only way to get one is to "import it from FireRed, LeafGreen or Emerald"

[robust rapids]

what a fun rabbit hole

[sage lodge]

its soft boiled then

[patent hatch]

Soft-Boiled is obtainable in IF though

[robust rapids]

you can have either zap cannon or softboiled/wish, yeah

[sage lodge]

no Im replacing this mon

this is stupid

[upper granite]

then whats the point of this whole conversation????

cause you already said you were replacing it

[sage lodge]

now then..

[robust rapids]

zap cannon isnt, but this server is probably still using copy-pasted data from normal showdown

[patent hatch]

I couldn’t find a Zap Cannon tm in game unless I’m blind so so think it shouldn’t even be able to learn it in the 1st place lol

[sage lodge]

based off the rest of my team what mon would be good

[robust rapids]

it was a tm in gen 2

[patent hatch]

Then Zap Cannon is a bug

[patent hatch]

Not in IF though

[sage lodge]

based off the rest of the team

[robust rapids]

it IS a funny bug tho

[sage lodge]

what do I replace clefblade with

[patent hatch]

What’s not funny is that Pokémon that learn Crabhammer in game can’t have it on showdown yet

[robust rapids]

oof

[sage lodge]

What type should I get to replace Clefblade

[robust rapids]

this actually validates

[sage lodge]

I have fairy/flying, ground/water, steel/fire, dragon/electric, fighting/ice

[patent hatch]

You could be evil and do Scarf Imposter

[sage lodge]

is that a ditto fusion then

[patent hatch]

Yeah

[worthy anvil]

Made another mon, decided it was high time I added a ground immunity. No idea if this is any good or not, but it's almost enough mons for me to start battling with at least ^^;

[patent hatch]

I would recommend Wobbuffet/Ditto to get highest HP

[sage lodge]

idk

would it fit well with my team

[patent hatch]

That, idk

[sage lodge]

https://pokepast.es/ab5bf7d5b010b1b7

because this is the team rn

[glad vector]

ok swamptilken is pretty busted lmao

[upper granite]

how? i setup on that mon every time i encounter it

[glad vector]

im just using a swords dance unburden set to kill everything

[upper granite]

ive been using adaptabilty proytei to one shot it

[sage lodge]

so does it fit on the team? @patent hatch

[robust rapids]

im cooking with zap cannon while its still here lol

[patent hatch]

Probably not unless you were looking for another offensive mon

[robust rapids]

oh wait zapdos gets zap cannon by level up, so this is legit

[upper granite]

https://replay.pokeathlon.com/#replay=zerupy-garrby123-1700435969905

50 turn win with my team

[muted oar]

So how high are the highest ELO's right now?

[worthy anvil]

I've been forced to make my Flytei shiny (the horror). Guess it might not be valid for much longer tho if it's an event exclusive mon ^^;

[upper granite]

1429

[sage lodge]

what would my team be considered rn

[muted oar]

Wow I figured it's SpA would be too low but apparently it's decent still

[sage lodge]

https://pokepast.es/ab5bf7d5b010b1b7

[muted oar]

But with the nerfed eviolite you're frail on the special side

[sage lodge]

what is my team considered to be

[upper granite]

not finished

[sage lodge]

thats obvious

[upper granite]

not rlly much bulk

[sage lodge]

but so far what is it considered

[muted oar]

Maybe swap out close combat for High Jump Kick, especially since you won't feel the need to run white herb to compensate for the stat drop

[sage lodge]

also what fusion should I add to the team

[muted oar]

It hits harder, doesn't drop stats, but it is less accurate a little

[sage lodge]

no

[robust rapids]

its unburden

[muted oar]

Oh wait I'm dumb

My bad

Oops

Nvm carry on

[chrome adder]

Nesdag
Is my team good? https://pokepast.es/1415e3936d44b980

[robust rapids]

something to deal with special attackers for sure

[sage lodge]

any suggestions tho

[jaunty geode]

Boom burst

[sage lodge]

no

I have sylnite

[muted oar]

I don't want to present myself as the best person to ask lol

[sage lodge]

like what

[jaunty geode]

Special wall

[sage lodge]

oh fuck yes

geomancy banned

[chrome adder]

who do i ask then

[jaunty geode]

Where

[sage lodge]

both OUs

[upper granite]

Celerel (Celebi) @ Power Herb
Ability: Simple
Fusion: Bibarel
EVs: 252 HP / 220 Def / 36 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Recover
• Psychic
• Surf
• Geomancy

oh no

[jaunty geode]

Ask me clearly

[jaunty geode]

Damn nice

[chrome adder]

https://pokepast.es/1415e3936d44b980

[upper granite]

almost top 100 with the new team

[sage lodge]

Celebi will be useless now lol

[slim mesa]

Wait what happened?

[chrome adder]

geomancy banned
YAY

[sage lodge]

this happened

[chrome adder]

wheres that

[upper granite]

Celerel (Celebi) @ Power Herb
Ability: Simple
Fusion: Bibarel
EVs: 252 HP / 220 Def / 36 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
Recover
Psychic
Surf
Geomancy this fusion just got nerfed into the ground

[slim mesa]

[sage lodge]

the pokeathlon discord

[chrome adder]

ohhh
k

[upper granite]

what channel is this

[jaunty geode]

Drangon dance on special attack is interesting

[sage lodge]

competitive discussion in the pokeathlon server

[upper granite]

i love my team so much and only 1 other person has it

[chrome adder]

Is there any way i can make it better ig

[slim mesa]

Wait, but it says Geomancy is still valid, what?

[chrome adder]

it will be banned ig

[slim mesa]

Ah

[jaunty geode]

I will tell you that tomorrow because I’m very tired I can’t think

Just take as being bad

[sage lodge]

Applied tomorrow

[robust rapids]

"upload changes to the server in the morning"

[upper granite]

wanna rate my team

[slim mesa]

Can't believe we banned like 3 things my team ran

[robust rapids]

its not mine so 0/10

[jaunty geode]

We just hate you specially

[chrome adder]

Ok.

[slim mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/axew-sad-cry-pokemon-gif-19901705

No Celebi + Zoroark sweeps for me anymore I guess...

[upper granite]

no celebi + simple bibaral

[robust rapids]

iunno how you sweep with that with how many pixilate e-speed mons are running around lol

[upper granite]

youd be supprised

[slim mesa]

By killing it first?

[upper granite]

i havent rann into any ina a whiile

theirs no way

i run into ts every game

[slim mesa]

My beloved

[robust rapids]

but they (should) know you need it dead, so the battle is still very mind-game heavy

[slim mesa]

You overrestimate the average Showdown player

[robust rapids]

true

[upper granite]

just realized i dont have a fiary type

or a fiary move

[robust rapids]

you spell wierd

[upper granite]

odnt wory abot it

im top teir speller

[robust rapids]

its the fusion braindrain

[slim mesa]

Still not sure what to fuse a Tyranitar with...like what do I do with that boy?

[worthy anvil]

Well, my team has 6 pokemon. No idea if it's any good or not, but maybe I'll try battling w/ it later ^^

[slim mesa]

Uhhh...we are on a path here, but not quite there

[upper granite]

definatly battle with it

see what you need

[unreal copper]

how is this so far
https://pokepast.es/1ba3f21f1aa8bed0

[rapid glade]

Damn geomancy ban?
Rest in peace my funny unaware clefbi

(deserved tho lmao)

[slim mesa]

Chandelure wants Tri Attack with Porygon-Z
Sylveon wants rather Extrem Speed than Quick Attack (if that's it's role...)
Gliscor is just confused what it wants to do

[unreal copper]

yeah im not great at team-building so theres obv gonna be some flaws

[slim mesa]

That's okay

[unreal copper]

what do you think i replace with triattack

[slim mesa]

Uhhh...signal beam potentialy

[unreal copper]

maybe ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[slim mesa]

I just assume it won't hit hard enough without stab or other boosts

[upper granite]

Should v create be banned

[unreal copper]

yeah bye signal beam i think my other team members can handle dark types fine

[slim mesa]

nah

[unreal copper]

it doesnt get extreme speed

[upper granite]

With a specific setup it can 2 shot defenseive toxipex

[slim mesa]

Yeah, you are supposed to fuse Sylveon with something that does, Dragonite is popular for that

[unreal copper]

ah

[upper granite]

I think Arcanine does it better

[slim mesa]

Yeah, that's pretty weak

[slim mesa]

Perhaps so

[upper granite]

But definitely Dragonite if you alr have a fighting type

[unreal copper]

ill try to figure out arcanine

now on the topic of the gliscor

i think the main reason it doesnt know what it wants to do is because i myself dont know what i want from it

[slim mesa]

It's a bulky guy, his goal is to survive and to annoy it's opponent

[upper granite]

Hmm

Gliscor swampert

Is pretty popular rn

[slim mesa]

I generally run Snorlax + Gliscor so it can threaten a lot of mons with stab Facade

[upper granite]

Hmm

[unreal copper]

i got confused and thought gliscor was an offensive pokemon

lol

[upper granite]

It can be

[unreal copper]

im assuming its quite difficult tho

[upper granite]

Ehh

With Fusions not rlly

[slim mesa]

Just needs Swords Dance and boom, it's offensive

[unreal copper]

wow amazing

i forgot about swords dance lol

[upper granite]

The set I run for gliscor swampert it

Defog
Eq
Protect
Uturn

[unreal copper]

i think i want a ground/ice offensive gliscor

[upper granite]

Krookadile weavile

[unreal copper]

thats kinda what i was going for with the weavile

[slim mesa]

Ice makes it VERY vunerable to a lot ofoffensive types

[unreal copper]

yeah maybe

[upper granite]

Or Hitmonlee weavile

It's broken

[unreal copper]

fair but ground ice is what i found complements my team so far the best (at least offensively)

[upper granite]

Sword dance
Close combat
Icicle crash
Wtv you want
Unburden white herb

Use this for krookadile weavile

[unreal copper]

theres no unburden :v

[upper granite]

Wait nvm

That was for Hitmonlee weavile

MB

[unreal copper]

fair

[upper granite]

I'm tired and on Mobile so I don't have the team

[unreal copper]

moxie would be good i think

[upper granite]

Ehh

You can get 700 speed

[unreal copper]

how 😨

[upper granite]

Uhh

Doesn't matter dies yo Sylveon espeed

[unreal copper]

fair

im gonna try setting up one and see if its good

Krookovile (Krookodile) @ Life Orb
Ability: Moxie
Fusion: Weavile
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Swords Dance
• Superpower
• Earthquake
• Darkest Lariat

hows this

[broken wyvern]

Cofagreon (Cofagrigus) @ Leftovers
Ability: Mummy
Fusion: Umbreon
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Will-O-Wisp
• Parting Shot
• Curse
• Moonlight
  still experimenting with the coffin

[slim mesa]

Taunt.

:)

[unreal copper]

yeah that seems good

taunt

i think parting shot would be the one to go but what do i know

[broken wyvern]

could probably axe curse or willo wisp maybe

keeping moonlight since aside from rest that's the only recovery available for this fusion

[unreal copper]

yeah and recovery is good when you're stall

[broken wyvern]

wait how much does cursing take away HP wise?

[unreal copper]

i think half

[broken wyvern]

hmm....

[upper granite]

Pretty sure if you switch out curse effect is removed

So unless you put block it's usrlrss

[broken wyvern]

ye fair enough

welp this is the 1st coffin set!

[dreamy lion]

nice

[unreal copper]

cool

[broken wyvern]

suddenly i have a intrustive thought on making an offensive coffin set

[unreal copper]

NOOOOOOOOOO DONT DO IT

[slim mesa]

I'm sorry, what?

[unreal copper]

anyways any ideas on what i can add to this?

[native hamlet]

hpow do i find this

[unreal copper]

how do you find what

[native hamlet]

on showdown

like this format

[unreal copper]

https://play.pokeathlon.com/

its a seperate server

[slim mesa]

I don't think Sylveon + Arcanine needs 3 different Normal moves...I'd replace Thrash for something like Earthquake

[slim mesa]

Defensive Pivot, something you can just go into if your opponent has something strong against your current mon

[unreal copper]

maybe wild charge? idk

also damn i forgot to put an item on the lesbian

[upper granite]

Some bulk,

[upper granite]

Life orb

[unreal copper]

ok yoinking your gliscor swampert set from earlier

[broken wyvern]

doing a water type fusion scald set for the coffin.

[unreal copper]

are you doing a full coffin team or what

[muted oar]

Lmao ice with ONE resist and 4 weaknesses is wild

[broken wyvern]

what if i were to say yes?

[unreal copper]

i mean if you really wanna

[dreamy lion]

Is it really worth it to run band over life orb when we don't have calcs?

[broken wyvern]

but in all seriousness im only just building coffin fusions for later when if i want to copypaste them onto teams i want them in

[unreal copper]

ah

[broken wyvern]

i mean hey the boxes here can go for more than 6 iirc right

might as well make good use of them am i rite?

[dreamy lion]

Post'em as RandBats

[broken wyvern]

wait how does one do such a thing?

[upper granite]

It's not, only choice items worth are scarf and specs

[dreamy lion]

between Calcs and Massive Walls, thanks for confirming my suspicions

[upper granite]

Scarf is particularly good because lots of good abilities are on slow mons

[sage lodge]

Ok genuine question

How long have any of you been playing competitive pokemon for

[upper granite]

On showdown for a while, but in-game once sword/shield drops

[sage lodge]

How many years

[upper granite]

A while, thought multiple accounts

[broken wyvern]

rarely touched it with a ten foot pole.

only scrapped with mates.

should we get into debates

[chrome adder]

I have a switch
I dont own a pokemon game :>

[broken wyvern]

huh that rhymed.

[slim mesa]

I've been playing competitive on and off, very casually, just dipping my toes into different formats

[upper granite]

But probably 5 or so years

[sage lodge]

Because I pretty much only want help from people who have played for a while

[upper granite]

Not consistently

[sage lodge]

So like

A year or more

[chrome adder]

I just have TOTK and BOTW

[upper granite]

I'm more for traditional comp Pokemon for fusions it's mostly theory crafting

[sage lodge]

Sad

I wish I didn’t delete my whole team now just so I could remake it

[slim mesa]

A lot of prior knowledge doesn't apply here due to multiple reasons (the format being very young, weird selection of mons, fusions, etc.)
The main thing that helped me is general knowledge of roles in a team

[upper granite]

Just don't use Sylveon and your team is skilled