showdown-general

[manic trail]

it should work on pokeathlon

[wooden marsh]

hm then I probably built it wrong or something

[white shell]

Anyone trying to battle sometime

Was looking to mess around with some anything goes private battles

Sleep clause and stuff still etc

[carmine tiger]

In game its possible to have hidden power fairy but i cant find the option on showdown. What do i do?

[hexed umbra]

#1175117403219308654 and wait for it to get implemented lol (take a screenshot)

[warm salmon]

idk stalling and when yer low use explosion

why cant i use any shedinja fusions with one weakness

[polar atlas]

cause itd be annoying as hell

[ebon zealot]

Is there a way to preserve pre mega ability while still being able to mega? Like if I wanted to use Manetricite Iron Valiant with the initial ability of lightning rod?

[tribal slate]

Hello showdown channel! Have been playing fusion for a bit (100+ hrs) and now interested in building teams in game to transport to showdown

Am wondering what yall think about the meta? Am a bit new to team building still, but I know some of the basics. I’m thinking of building an offensive team around a ferrothorn fusion defense core, is that sound for the fusion meta? Is there such a thing?
It’s a bit hard to imagine a meta with 250,000 mons

[opaque inlet]

Can’t really judge a team based of just one mon I say start building and then get advice for said team

[tribal slate]

any advice for how to start building?

[cedar mortar]

imo following the basic guides on how to build a team on YouTube apply to infinite fusion team building as well. If you need a starting point to go off of I’d look into that sort of thing to build your team off of (I don’t think I’m allowed to post links to videos here, but iirc false swipe gaming has a video on that subject to give you an idea of what I mean)

[tribal slate]

cool cool, ive seen them before

thanks!

[true wedge]

Here’s a general overview of the some of the more important things you’ll need to know:

• The metagame has permanent weather, so weather setters are pretty good. Rain and Sand are best, followed by Sun and then Hail (although all are usable). If you don’t use weather yourself, you’ll have to watch out for opponent’s weather, especially Sandslash/Haxorus in sand.
• Regenerator cores are very popular, usually anchored by Jirachi/Tangrowth with Assault Vest. Jigrowth is the premier defensive Pokemon in the metagame and all special attackers should have a plan for it.
• Setup sweepers are very strong: the first two that come to mind are Hydreigon/Yanmega and Clefable/Mew, both with Quiver Dance.
• Some other prominent fusions you’ll need to be aware of are Alakazam/Electrode (fast Mind Blown user), Snorlax/Gliscor (very bulky Poison Heal user), Ursaring/Dragonite (Guts + Extreme Speed), Nidoking fusions in general with Sheer Force, and Entei/Meloetta-P (Serene Grace + Sacred Fire).

Feel free to ask if you have any more questions, there’s also a newly updated VR I can share if you’d like.

[radiant rivet]

we have a VR?
I thought we only had conjas tierlist?

[true wedge]

By updated VR I do in fact mean conja’s VR lol

[radiant rivet]

ah damn.

[obtuse shoal]

Scald is everywhere. I also like flame body moltres, so watch out or your physical attackers will get burned immediately

[obtuse shoal]

what's vr

viability rating?

[radiant rivet]

yes

[obtuse shoal]

https://replay.pokeathlon.com/#replay=calacadura-illusion911-1744928155933&format=ifdex&player=illusio
I keep taking Ls

[obtuse shoal]

@radiant rivet is this you?
https://replay.pokeathlon.com/#replay=illusion911-hailstalllol-1744933880024

[radiant rivet]

nope

[gritty anvil]

Please do your best in the upcoming tournaments, everyone. Practical data from battling fusions will be invaluable.

[wooden marsh]

really wanting to use this but I don't have a non sand team, so I'm posting it here in case someone else takes it and tells me how it went lol

basically destroyed by all priority, but a priority 300bp move if you've eliminated opposing priority users

(endure + custap over focus sash because you should almost never be leading with this)

[restive crystal]

How to play?

[hazy pumice]

I love Showdown calling 48HP 56Def 47SpDef a "bulky physical sweeper"

[hexed umbra]

It probably sees that base 63 speed stat and gives up on making it outspeed things

[wooden marsh]

Yeah lol

[lost galleon]

It's not destroyed by all priority. Mach punch, quick attack, and extreme speed bounce off this

[hexed umbra]

It would force a 50/50 with copycat or raw reversal though

[odd kiln]

Why is turo in gen 7? Is he stupid?

[manic trail]

i mean he literally built a time machine

[hexed umbra]

Thats literally the plot of Rainbow Rocket lmao

[finite pier]

randbats would be really fun for the upcoming tournaments to help get more people participating without the need to build teams

to state the obvious there is a still a huge degree of skill in randbats

I've never played fusion metagames but have a lot of competitive experience and from playing a couple games your randbats seems pretty solid. obviously not the expert here

[tiny wadi]

What is probably the most op fusion?

[hexed umbra]

Depends on what you're after, though you may enjoy using Hydreigon/Yanmega with Quiver Dance, Oblivion Wing and Tinted Lens

[sharp anchor]

Can confirm, got wrecked by it after blundering away my sylvnite

[swift tulip]

Alguien habla español?

[keen wave]

Gangie mars is cooking me

[buoyant cedar]

gg

[odd kiln]

[pure breach]

Si, aunque si buscas a más gente que hable español, tienes el canal de #español

[alpine meadow]

where can i find resources for ou here?

[wooden marsh]

there aren't many resources, but we have:

The tier leader's tier list

and a very outdated list of usage stats (I think it's more than half a year old by now)

[odd kiln]

i updated it recently

[hexed umbra]

Yanmega right next to Hydreigon, perfect

[hexed umbra]

Vaporeon seems quite high, it's the only bulky water with wish but what common fusions does it run?

[wooden marsh]

Haven't actually seen it in play but I assume it's a nice pairing with gliscor if you prefer wish passing over spikes

I think I've only seen it paired with Zapdos (in a rain team)

[radiant rivet]

i would put yanmega below gengar

[obtuse shoal]

I really think people sleep in on forretress

Steel body, rapid spin, one of the slowest volt switches

Can put in good hazards
But when it's fused with something else it gets crazy
Recovery, knock off to punish spinblocking

[hexed umbra]

It's good role compression but theres usually a fusion that does what it wants to do, but better

[trim herald]

i havent played since the raffle, is my goat hymega still relevant

[swift tulip]

Muchas gracias

[radiant rivet]

yes

it is good but as a QD it faces stiff competition

[odd kiln]

hydration rest sets

[odd kiln]

naw it usually becomes WORST MON ON TEAM

i only put it in e bc 1) spikes setter and 2) overcoat

[obtuse shoal]

huh, I thought tangrowth forretress was comparable to jigrowth

[odd kiln]

no

you drop so much spd

[radiant rivet]

speaking of growth, isnt it a bit low here?

[odd kiln]

idts

[trail abyss]

Heyo

[obtuse shoal]

what happens in a suspect test if the games I lose to also have weather?

[trail abyss]

Im new to team building in IF

Idk where to start

[obtuse shoal]

permanent weather is getting suspected so that's relevant

who do you prefer, ttar, toed or torkoal

[trail abyss]

I like TTar

[obtuse shoal]

alright. some popular fusions include with scyther, ttar scyther can hold eviolite and become insanely bulky

on top of roost, uturn

and knock off

[delicate gull]

Run ttar and celebi

Actually it’s celebi ttar

[obtuse shoal]

also amazing

[delicate gull]

Whichever one is rock grass

Is the standard sand setter

[obtuse shoal]

celebi's got quiver dance and recover

and rush sandslash with thousand arrows is also allowed

[tiny wadi]

I got a question, how hard is it to find a battle in if dex ubers?

[obtuse shoal]

it's not that common

but you can get one once in a while

[tiny wadi]

I see

One more question, what is the single most powerful fussion?

[finite pier]

btw guys are there any yanmega fusions used that are unsprited

feel free to ping me if you find one or have a request

working on yanmega/chandy this week

[trail abyss]

This okay?

[supple smelt]

Sandslash/haxorus getting suspected

im so proud of my boy for being so strong but damn

[blissful herald]

i think ive just made maybe the worst team ive ever made

there are pokemon that go together that should be suspected

i am so excited for this upcoming tournament

its OU right? just making sure my team is legal

[odd kiln]

idk probably

ask a rocket admin ig

[vestal lava]

I ended up PP stalling until my opponent got bored
https://replay.pokeathlon.com/#replay=thetrueaubergine-happytailow-1745288475279

[radiant rivet]

I am proud of you

[gritty anvil]

They couldn't adapt to your future-centered playstyle.

[inland chasm]

@gritty anvil has awarded @vestal lava 10 grunt points!

[odd kiln]

zamn

[wooden marsh]

upcoming tournament? 👀

[blissful herald]

The event

There’s a doubles and singles tournament on the 26th and 27th respectively

Although I won’t lie for the doubles one I found something inane

A stall so fundamentally fucked that I legitimately don’t think anything can break it

[wooden marsh]

ooh very happy to see a tour coming

[hexed umbra]

The doubles banlist is practically non-existent

[hexed umbra]

Pretty sure it doesn't even have species clause lmao

[fast elm]

You! Loyal citizen! If you possess the fortitude, compile me a list of clauses to add to IF doubles formats!! If you do so, your contributions will be implemented with Haste!

[odd kiln]

it does have species clause

idrk what else should be implemented though bc im not a doubles player

[opaque inlet]

Doubles doesn’t have an Okho Clause

[odd kiln]

tbf you cant really abuse it but its still goofy

[blissful herald]

That’s typical actually

Well in vgc

I guess not doubles OU specifically

Endless Battle, Evasion, OHKO, Species and Gravity Sleep clauses are typical

[blissful herald]

Is it meant to follow a doubles OU format, or specific tourney rules?

[blissful herald]

Also certain shenanigans with leppa berry

[fast elm]

Doubles OU of course!

[hexed umbra]

Huh, it didn't last time

[hexed umbra]

I thought the announcement was a joke, looks like the lobster is back on the menu

[hexed umbra]

It's basically the only decent (future) new mon somehow

[wooden marsh]

but oh boy is it a decent one

especially rain teams are going to eat good (assuming they don't get banned)

though having to deal with adaptability knock off means gliscor will become even more important, perhaps maybe even breloom since it can give the resist to anything it's fused with, alongside PH

[manic trail]

what about deep sea tooth clamperl for double spatk

[wooden marsh]

that does sound interesting

though I wouldn't be surprised if it got the lightball treatment

[manic trail]

true

[odd kiln]

@gritty anvil i wrote a whole bug mono report but it got content blocked

oh thank god i can ctrl z and get it back

[manic trail]

should've posted it in the bug report channel

[odd kiln]

bug mono laddering report
the team: https://pokepast.es/4c9d50b4bd1ade8a
requested by @gritty anvil
cc: @thin schooner
basically built this similarly to gen 7 bug mono teams with galv webs, band scizor, scarf bug/fighting, and a qd user, with spin armaldo to remove sr

on paper the idea is mainly to get either herachomp or yanron to a good place to set up and sweep, with plenty of hazard support and two speed controllers in genetta and metazor. theres also fimp armaldo to lure alaode which is p nice

in practice the triple water weakness is super ass (especially against rain) so you have to use genetta and pray you revenge all the problematic stuff (tbolt could slot in over ice beam idr what i used that to hit exactly). also its like offensive but not exactly offensive enough to where fat teams can regain footing quite easily and offensive mons can sometimes live boosted hits which is p annoying. also you only have one move to hit regitres

whats surprising though is how nicely ttar takes hits (like 25% from mind blown alaode) and also yanron is doing way better than expected - i added it bc i was sorely lacking in physdef and figured it might be decent in sand but it really takes hits well (doesnt get 2hkod by +2 eq from ursanite and can usually ko it with +1 bug buzz). an option could be heat wave over toxic to hit steels better bc i did run into a few ghost steels i couldnt hit

tldr: its bad lol but it can works sometimes and its funny when it does

ok there we go

66% winrate which is not great

[ebon zealot]

Arch+ swift swim mon is disgusting, it gives special attacking swift swimmers electro shot and actual bulk on top of that

Or just use it's stamina ability + steel typing with any quiver dancer for bulky sweeper

[glossy zealot]

what are the most impactful additions to the meta?

[radiant rivet]

permanent weather.

There was a time where weather used to work like it did in gen 6.
but it was changed to gen 3-5 mechanics.

Also lurantis.
It was so broken when fused with entei it caused V-creates ban.

[hexed umbra]

By additions do you mean the gen3 mons?

[radiant rivet]

I thought he meant in ifdex Ou history?

[hexed umbra]

'Additions' is kinda unclear

[true wedge]

In terms of Gen 3 mons, I’ve seen some buzz about Crawdaunt as an adaptability mon. Not much otherwise though lol

[wooden marsh]

that's pretty much it, mostly

[hexed umbra]

Crawdaunt is crawdaunt
Pelipper is a better rain setter, but isn't too notable

Entrainment Delcatty/Gengar will be a funny gimmick

[wooden marsh]

and most of the things that make pelipper better are things politoed already often gets from its fusions, the things we might see pelipper used more for are as a second setter or aegislash/diancie fusions I assume

[hexed umbra]

It's a flying type with recovery and.... usable... bulk, so it may have some actual utility

Medicham is useless without Pure Power
Exploud is useless without Boomburst
Claydol gets both rapid spin and Stealth rock which means it still isn't good but people will use it anyway
Castform 🗣️ 🗣️

[true wedge]

I wonder if Claydol will see any use as a Levitate donor, it’s certainly got some unique traits even if they’re not especially amazing

[delicate gull]

Crawdaunt and Clameperl is cool

Mr Craw is probably getting nuked from the tier maybe

[wooden marsh]

I can't wait to see rain crawdaunt fusions

I'll be voting "don't ban" either way but that will be a bonus lol

[strange zephyr]

#1222376526805209201 message
I don't know how many people who are active in this and a spriter, but I just started a new spriting event with Showdown battles if anyone is interested

[finite pier]

gonna sprite any of these that don't have customs

love competitive bug types

[odd kiln]

they all have customs unfortunately

oh wait nvm

genetta doesnt

[finite pier]

that's the only one I checked

[odd kiln]

[glossy zealot]

Do you guys think castform have a chance in ou?

I assume it doest

[odd thorn]

I could see it working, but not very well. Weather Ball is fairly strong in any weather, and with Forecast giving it STAB in every form, it's powerful... under the right conditions.

It can step up to any weather, but it needs weather to function. If you're running a weather team... fine? I guess? But then you don't really need Forecast, because you can plan for the specific weather

What it comes down to is that there are other mons that fill the space far better. Castform has base 70 in all stats, and that's going to hold it back compared even against other Weather Ball users

[odd kiln]

no itd be very bad

any form it could use is just outclassed by a mon of that type (blastoise/kingdra, entei/typhlosion, regice/kyurem) by virtue of higher stats, better abils, and wider movepool

[glossy zealot]

Yeah i was thinking in forecast adjusting him in case of a fight against other weather team

But the stats are too low

[odd kiln]

its an idea i didnt think of but usually when youre building a weather youd naturally add checks to other weathers

like a dragon mon on a sun team to beat rain teams

[odd thorn]

I could see it fitting into that role, but again, it's a weak example

[lost galleon]

The problem with Castform is as always that no matter how cool and interesting its Forecast and Weather Ball are

It's still got garbage stats

[hexed umbra]

Why run castform for weather when you can just... run a pokemon of that type???

[odd thorn]

Yeah, Forecast is only special if you're using it against other weather teams- and even then there are better counters (like any ground type with a water negating ability)

[hexed umbra]

Sylveon/Exploud would go insane

[odd kiln]

isnt that just worse sylvern

[hexed umbra]

I thought Exploud had about 20 more special attack than it does lol

[lost galleon]

Yeah, there’s got to be a cracked Exploud fusion, but it’ll be taking advantage of how you don’t need to fuse it to get STAB.

Like you do for Noivern and Flygon

[hexed umbra]

It gets decent coverage by itself, provides a good ability in scrappy and comes with STAB, its biggest strength would be how many different mons it could be fused with

[radiant rivet]

Maybe hariyama could see some play?

[hexed umbra]

Defensively, bulk is nice but nothing spectacular, and fighting isn't a coveted defensive typing (though thick fat is interesting?)
Offensively it's outclasses

[lone dust]

Suspect its just outclassed by kyreum but I’m looking forward to trying ice body walrein on a hail team

[radiant rivet]

walrein might be huge

[lost galleon]

Hariyama probably has more impact on doubles where tools like fake out and wide guard are more desirable

There’s not really much reason to use it instead of Meloetta in singles imo

[radiant rivet]

we have a doubles metagame?

[vestal lava]

I honestly feel so bad for the other person.
https://replay.pokeathlon.com/#replay=jcjm-thetrueaubergine-1745593280352

[true wedge]

Yeah I can’t imagine Walrein outshining Kyurem in that regard. Ice Body fusions like Kyurem/Suicune are just so potent

[odd kiln]

@gritty anvil Did U Get My Message

[gritty anvil]

I received this transmission shortly after it was sənt. However, the data was so high-quality that it overloaded my short-term mem■ry circuit and I neglected to award compensatıon.

I willl correct this error.

[inland chasm]

@gritty anvil has awarded @odd kiln 60 grunt points!

[odd kiln]

holy moly

Thank U Mr Turo

[hexed umbra]

Metagross/Scizor is literally just scizor but with slightly better stats

[wooden marsh]

Can't improve what's already peaked

[glossy zealot]

hear me out

delcatty ghost with skill swap

[marsh crystal]

Hm... Actually, I just thought of something, and I want to try it out.

Well, not in-battle, moreso I want to see how its Stats would turn out

Would someone be willing to try Both Fusion Possibilities, and share their discoveries?

[wooden marsh]

Quite fun, possibly banned. Though electrify has lasted this long, perhaps it will exist for a few days

[wooden marsh]

Tell us and you'll be more likely to get volunteers

[marsh crystal]

How good would a Fusion between Slaking and Hariyama be?

I want to compare the sides, see which Fusion is better, and then judge how good it would potentially be.

I mean, I know that Normal/Fighting and Fighting/Normal aren't exactly the best Type Combinations, but using Hariyama's Bulk and Offense, combined with Slaking's overwhelming strength, just think of how good it could potentially be

[hexed umbra]

Entrainment

Slaking is banned because its basically a box legendary without truant

[marsh crystal]

And I don't mean in the Metagame either, I just mean generally speaking, how good would a Slaking and Hariyama Fusion be?

[hexed umbra]

It would be pretty good, great stats

[odd kiln]

@wispy ember was gonna bring this when i saw custom game format lol

[wispy ember]

@odd kiln https://pokepast.es/6a039497c4f0c13c if you were curious

[odd kiln]

evs are crazy

[wispy ember]

tbh, we could've gone 100, 512 and 31

and we'd have likely still lost

[odd kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-skeleton-fall-apart-skeleton-burst-pop-skeleton-exploding-gif-25434496

[wispy ember]

but a boss battle it was!

[inland chasm]

@wispy ember has awarded @odd kiln 50 grunt points!

[wispy ember]

For a battle well fought

[odd kiln]

Ty Ms Lucy

[odd kiln]

@fast elm you should probably ban imposter/spore/maybe shell smash/maybe contrary from doubles ou btw

[fast elm]

bro conja won

do not let them participate in if tourneys

[opaque inlet]

Fr

And add an Ohko clause

[odd kiln]

writing this for fun
ghost mono laddering report
the team: https://pokepast.es/835bfa79fe3300ae

this time i didnt use vanilla mono teams as a reference but built around the three big ghost fatmons (dusclops, doublade, aegislash) with genking and banetta wallbreaking. i used to have drifblim umbreon to wishpass to the wallbreakers but that turned out to be too clunky so i switched to drifcor to sponge knocks and status instead

the idea is basically that you should be able to handle most things with the defensive core and then when they have to switch out you can come in with your breakers and kill something. this wouldve worked better if i was able to have slow pivots though bc none of these guys have uturn (besides drifcor which kinda needs all of its moves).

the issues i faced were that salablade is a pretty terrible sole defogger - it doesnt force out anything, it gets taunted super easily, it gets chipped super easily, etc. maybe defog drifcor was an option and clefclops could set the rocks but idk the moves on clefclops are pretty important too. being a team whose defensive core mainly relies on eviolite means you get shit on by knock too even with drifcor. salablade doesnt suffer too much since it still has intim and a sizeable def but its still quite dire

that being said genking and banetta have done some p good work although you have to play some real smart doubles to get them in. banetta sometimes doesnt hit the calcs and kinda wants 2 more moveslots for gunk and sneak but otherwise its ok.

tldr: not great, requires a lot of smart plays to get your breakers in; not the worst though you have doublade+dusclops+aegislash after all

bonus image:

not nearly as bad a record as bug mono but mid tier

[marsh crystal]

I was so mad the moment I saw Lusamine bring 10 POKEMON to that Tournament Match

[obtuse shoal]

isn't it weak to knock off and pursuit

I'd say knock is like the best move in the game rn

[odd kiln]

when the ghost mono is weak to dark moves 🤯

[hexed umbra]

just bring a dark resist with your mono-ghost team smh

[odd kiln]

so true wheres my ghost dark fairy gen 7 starter triple fusion

[true wedge]

Drifblim/Gliscor is cool af

[odd kiln]

myeah its fatter than i think

[gritty anvil]

Excellent data collection.

[inland chasm]

@gritty anvil has awarded @odd kiln 20 grunt points!

[odd kiln]

Thank U Mr Turo

[tiny wadi]

do people actually play dou or is that a myth 💔

[odd kiln]

they play when theres a tour

[wooden marsh]

Having been a drifcor victim, I have to say, that thing's a menace

[radiant rivet]

strenghsap sure is a move of all time

[odd thorn]

all well and good until you encounter a single special attacker

wait this is-

nvm I got very lsot and thought I was in a completely different conversation

[upbeat mirage]

good job sheep

[vestal lava]

I keep winning Random battles by people just... not participating

[wooden marsh]

tour in 7 minutes? or did I get it wrong again

[pure breach]

tour in 4 minutes

slightly more than that

[vestal lava]

Could I not be up against anaconja almost immediately one of these times?

Not first round, but if I win my first I'll be up against them in the second.

Doesn't matter, I lost

I really need to learn how to Pokemon battle.

[radiant rivet]

i missed the tour, who won?

[hexed umbra]

Carbink propagandist, it's in #event-announcements and not #recurring-events for some reason

[radiant rivet]

why am i not suprised

[quaint turret]

How much is the eviolite boost if only one mon of the fusion is NFE?
iirc there used to be a nerf on eviolite

[pure breach]

It’s x1.5 regardless

[manic trail]

the classic eviolite urban legend

[vernal spoke]

Ik a lil out of place but since you guys like to fight I would like to ask you to vote here for me thanks in advance!
#playthrough-talk message

[odd kiln]

fire mono laddering report
the team: https://pokepast.es/e48709a17fdcc0d6

p generic sun core with torkoal + band enetta + specs pz. scarf genlure beats the guts espeeds that would threaten the team, molselia checks special nidoking fusions that arent dark/ghost, and arcagrowth is a wack physical ground switchin. overall pretty standard stuff.

huge weakness it had were opposing enettas where you have to dance around genlure and molselia (this is the reason why i added a little def to the latter so it can get 3hkod by knock). the bigger weakness though was opposing sand teams bc arcagrowth is not as bulky as you think itll drop to two tarrows at higher than you expect. a possible solution to this is making the sun setter torkoal celebi instead for another ground neutrality. ff chandelures were pretty annoying too but if you predict well on enetta they go down to knock easily

overall fun team feels good to uturn to enetta/porylosion and do 100% most of the time

water mono laddering report
the team: https://pokepast.es/270cbc1a39ce220c

another generic rain team, you have polibi (dont ask me what it underspeeds at lv 99 bc aside from other polibi idk either) uturning to specs blastode and kingetta for big damage. lancuno handles the electric weakness while vaporblade blanket checks physical mons. last mon used to be WORST MON ON TEAM (hydration regice/lapras with frost breath/tbolt/amnesia/rest) which did nothing except wall some sf mons sometimes only in rain so i replaced it with a generic goodmon in jiapex.

idt this team is especially good, vaporblade has a lot of trouble with normals that dont care about status like snorcor/ursanite so theoretically you could put roar/acid armor over toxic? that sounds wack af but could work. also jiapex could be something more specialized for plot sf mons (lancuno dodges the 2hko from unboosted except when rocks is up) but it is quite useful to get some pivots in over say slowphan, though tbf slowphan offers spin as a regen sr resist which is useful

overall not a terrible team, i think this is one of the best monos bc of its great defensive typing and access to weather and water spout

ground mono laddering report
the team: https://pokepast.es/4d1cba37ef078b5a

completing the weather trifecta with sand. glitar theoretically pursuit traps alaode (it never actually happened in practice) and underspeeds most weather setters letting it set and pivot out last which is very useful. p standard sandxorus and glisopod, flysteel stops most waters/grass/ice coverage while slowphan handles special grounds. cleflix blanket checks most physmons that would get through glisopod.

despite being one of the better achieving monos i dont really like how it plays, fsr im often stuck on the back foot and relying on my defensive core instead of going offensive with sandxorus. maybe its the fact that i dont have full checks to everything and just midgrounders (pun intended).

yeah idk theres not much else to say

cyrus team laddering report
the team: https://pokepast.es/bafe39ce92eedbb8

(cyrus gotta get better mons fr)
given mostly setup mons i decided on the crunchiest dual screens ever. after going back and forth on sets (some things i tried were aegislash/crobat, mamoswine/weavile, and weavile/genesect) i settled on crobat/feraligatr as the softest fire check in the world and weavile/bisharp to provide some secondary priority. its otherwise built pretty much like a standard dual screens team but with worse mons, such as a mediocre setter with a random revenge killer that relies on moxie (it did jumpscare a sylnite with steel wing though that was funny)

as alluded to before this team gets dumpstered by strong fires like enetta bc even if croligatr resists it it also gets crippled in return so thats a big l. you could try something silly like latios/crobat instead as a special attacker idk. also honch very rarely does anything.

jidos goes soooo hard though if you can get it set up it can cheese a win lol

[hexed umbra]

Jeez thats so much battling, keep up the good work!

[hexed umbra]

Level 99 Politoed/Celebi to underspeed whatever else in Arceus' name is also running min speed with base 90 speed 🗣️ 🗣️

[crimson ice]

Question, how do you find IF on the Showdown? Like, what is it under?

[crimson ice]

Thanks

Thought it was on Showdown proper, didn't realize it is on Pokeathalon. Showing my dad (who introduced me to pokemon two decades ago) so we can play again.

[wooden marsh]

let'sfuckinggooooo tours every day

[untold yew]

My apologies... is there a proper link to the IF showdown website?

wait

nevermind

I just remembered it's pokeathlon..

[hexed umbra]

Time to run a team that I haven't used or changed since the recent batch of mons got added

[radiant rivet]

what could possibly go wrong?

[hexed umbra]

Luckily I still have my V-Create switchin

[radiant rivet]

mate i almost forgot by boomburst counter, thx for reminding me

Bastiodon the goat

[vestal lava]

I don't blame the person I just fought for leaving; I got up three layers of spikes and sticky webs.

[odd kiln]

eew bastiodon

[royal slate]

Who broke the server lmao

[odd kiln]

permaweather suspect tour in 10 btw

i cant announce :soyegg:

[tiny wadi]

helo

[radiant rivet]

hi

[wooden marsh]

tour in 5?

or was that only fri-sat

[dry tinsel]

Hi, I'm new here. I'm wondering how to find IF on Showdown. Do y'all have a separate site? I just can't find it

[hexed umbra]

[dry tinsel]

Thank you. Not sure why I didn't check there first.

[dire goblet]

Does eviolite require both halves to be unevolved or just one? Asking for a certain janky porygon 2 set

[radiant rivet]

just one

[dire goblet]

alright, thank you

that's good, very good

[radiant rivet]

it is indeed.
A common tactic as a matter of fact

[unique moat]

Oh wow, why is Volcanora Uber?

What other Body would get similar result with my Starmie Head?

Omg Spore is banned xD whhyyy

[true wedge]

Volcarona is Ubers because it’d be way too broken with Quiver Dance. There are other Pokemon legal with Quiver Dance, but Volcarona is a way better QD donor than them.

[unique moat]

I see

Should i Switcheroo an Iron Ball instead of a scarf? Since i dont need the speed anymore? But i think a choice item is a better lead destroyer than Ironball

[tiny wadi]

give it knock or something

or its a taunt victim

[unique moat]

I dont really care about taunt, because i'll play first thanks to Prankster, and choice scarf, then the opponent will be stuck on using Taunt, so it will go back to neutral but ive disrupted his guy

[odd kiln]

you should definitely put hazards on this otherwise you dont do anything

[unique moat]

Transform does everything i need haha

I cripple, than transform, its job is done 😛

Usuallt what happens is this, 95% of the time, i Switcheroo, opposing fighter switch, i sleep powder on the switch in, then i can either switcheroo again if i suspect a good item or i can transform, encore is there in case someone wanna setup against him, and sleep powder failed, ect
But i guess i could switch encore for stealth rock

[odd kiln]

if you trick and the opp clicks an attack you just die

[unique moat]

I dont trick against attack
Most people dont suspect a trick
So far its working, i dunno

[lost galleon]

Ngl that looks like it just dies

[unique moat]

You should try it, you'll be surprised haha, its a lot less good without spore tho :S
Going off meta can take a lot of people by surprise

Also, this looks fun, any suggestions ?

[unique moat]

Well, its a suicidal lead, but i think its better switching Encore for Stealth rock

[lost galleon]

You’re going to thud into magic bounce, taunt, grass types, and especially Gliscor fusions, and everyone is using Gliscor.

[unique moat]

Gliscor lead? Havent seen him yet

Prankster Trick beats Taunt, doesnt care for magic bounce (i think?) And grass
Its all about crippling the other Lead with a Choice Scarf, and either going back to neutral or benefiting from the switch, its fun and it work a lot of time, im not looking at being competitive, just some fun builds

[radiant rivet]

I mean sure it works, but its incredibly inconsistent.
Yes you crippled the mbouncer, but you cant touch them with any of your moves.

I personally find winning more enjoyable but should this be truly your calling then by all means continue

[lost galleon]

Assuming the bouncer minds being fast

[odd kiln]

usually it does

stuff like regitu want to slow pivot so scarf is annoying

less so the spe and more the lack of switching moves ig

[unique moat]

Oh theres no Elo for IF?

[minor saddle]

Are there any new hoenn fusions that are meta? I'm a spriter and the one prompt for mergemay is competitive

[radiant rivet]

I guess torkoal got a meta spot.
but that meta spot will probably be gone by tommorrow if weather is banned.

oh yeah, jirachi/Tangrowth is the best defensive wall in the tier, and jirachi is pretty much great in many fusions.

Clefable dusclops is also a premiere wall in the tier

[minor saddle]

I'm trying really hard to also do mons I haven't sprited before so this may be hard

[radiant rivet]

metagross/Dhelmise is definetly there as well if s bit niche.

Registeel/Moltres is quite commom too

Latios/Typhlosion is good in sun.

Milotic can do some stuff with Steelix, but its definetly uncommon

[minor saddle]

I looked at the doc in pins and mons in there I haven't sprited before are: steelix, garchomp, t-tar, metagross, salamence if that gets anywhere

There's a few Legends too

[radiant rivet]

i thought you were limited to gen 3 mons?

[minor saddle]

I'm not but I haven't sprited a large bit of them

[radiant rivet]

so you want to sprite metagross or salamence?

[minor saddle]

Either work as long as the fusion doesn't have a sprite yet

[radiant rivet]

salamence doublade then

it has fallen of a bit since v-create got bannend but one cant say its not good

[minor saddle]

Thank you

[radiant rivet]

it was mence head blade body

[minor saddle]

Wait I've made a blade body before

[radiant rivet]

but have you made a mence head?

[minor saddle]

Non

Any 2 from this

[radiant rivet]

nothing comes to mind that is a viable or gimmicky pick for me.

maybe kingler/Ttar or kingler metagross?

nvm both have sprited

[odd kiln]

steelix/mence or steelix/skarm might be ok

[minor saddle]

Both have sprites

[odd kiln]

sad

uhh pidgeot steelix gg

(ignore that its worse than noivern steelix)

[minor saddle]

Already exists too💔

What about lc fusions what's the meta for that

[odd kiln]

no idea

there isnt an lc meta but there have been a couple ppl asking for it

[minor saddle]

Ah

There's like nothing left

Would any of the new mons maybe be meta with something else on that list?

Just act like they were added to showdown

[unique moat]

How the hell is Necrozma + Genesect OU, im confused

[opaque inlet]

Crawdaunt could be good if it was added in

[opaque inlet]

Genesect doesn’t have Shift gear and extreme speed in IF

[minor saddle]

Fused with what?

[unique moat]

Man, theres some stuff that i dont understand that are in OU, all these Ultra pokemon are way too strong, everytime one transforms, it wipes my ass

The Total stats on these monster is insane

I mean, this doesnt belong in OU ..

[opaque inlet]

It’s best fusion would prob be with Melo-P

[radiant rivet]

Melo P maybe?

[minor saddle]

Okay thank you :33

[opaque inlet]

Honestly it’s stats aren’t that good

[unique moat]

O_o

[opaque inlet]

It’s mainly shift gear that makes it Ubers level

In conjunction with its move pool

Stats wise its comparable to hydreigon

[tiny wadi]

hydreigon my goat of all time

[odd kiln]

pelipper/crawdaunt will definitely be good (craw is even bannable)

oh right i forgot weathers getting banned probably

Lol.

[unique moat]

Hydreigon is still too good for OU imo hahaha xD

[odd kiln]

yeah genesect is ok but not actually very strong

genechomp is nifty though

[minor saddle]

Ill be doing Crawdaunt/Melo-p then

[unique moat]

Urgh, Aleon counters my whole team, any suggestions for a counter? Ive been playing against this guy 3 times already

Alakazam/Jolteon

[odd kiln]

toxitar regenvest pursuit

spd dragon

sand stream user

spd eviolite user

[unique moat]

Hmm, can you elaborate? Regenvest?

[delicate gull]

Ability Regenerator Item Assualt Vest which boosts spdef by 1.5

[unique moat]

Ooh

[unique moat]

Urgh, why is infinite weather still a thing, i tho it was banned a couple of years ago

[odd thorn]

IF ability mechanics come from gen 5, if possible

Sand Stream / Drought / Drizzle / etc only had set limits starting in gen 6

[unique moat]

Its so much better in IF also

[wooden marsh]

Did I miss an update

[elfin spruce]

https://discord.com/channels/1070125689107382403/1070174301069774958

[hexed umbra]

Rip Yanmezor

[manic trail]

can someone copy the answer here please. my discord is bugging out

[hexed umbra]

It turns out pokemon having access to old expert move tutors wasn't intended, so those learnsets have been updated

So signature moves of mons that now exist (Anchor Shot, Photon Geyser) are no longer legal (except on the original pokemon)

[manic trail]

thanks

[radiant rivet]

what will i do without starmie lunar dance?

[hexed umbra]

Just run Starmie/Cresselia

[unique moat]

Thousand arrows is such a stupid move..

[unique moat]

Isnt that a Zygarde only move? Why is every damn pokemon spaming this, im confused

[true wedge]

It's a fusion move in IF, so a lot of ground type fusions can learn it

https://infinitefusion.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_Move_Expert_Moves

[unique moat]

This is really unfun lol

Flying is so weak because of this move

[true wedge]

Flying types are still pretty good (just look at Snorcor and Regitres), you just need to have separate defensive answers to Thousand Arrows mons lol

[unique moat]

Guess i'll wait until it really becomes Gen 7..tired of going against sandstorm team

[obtuse shoal]

showdown announcements has been done differently?

in any case, sand is now banned

time for ursanite to rise again

[odd kiln]

i dont see the correlation

[obtuse shoal]

ursanite doesn't like sand

[odd kiln]

theres still sand

[obtuse shoal]

actually yeah

wtf is this

rain and sun are banned, but sand isn't?

[odd kiln]

the problem was sandslash so ppl voted for sand rush to be banned

[obtuse shoal]

ok so why did sun and rain get banned?

[odd kiln]

it made eruption and water spout 2hko everything

[tiny wadi]

electrify has been banned this is the best day ever

[obtuse shoal]

it's tyranbi time now

[hexed umbra]

Hail stays (not really) winning!

[unique moat]

Wait, weathers are banned?

Only the infinite ones or even the skill that last 5 turns?

[hexed umbra]

Drizzle and Drought were banned, because they were infinite

[unique moat]

But not sandstream?

[hexed umbra]

Sand Stream and Snow Warning remain, however Sand Rush was banned

[unique moat]

What a weird decision

Sand Rush under non infinite sandstorm is fine

[hexed umbra]

Chlorophyll/Swift Swim were already banned (with their respective weather), their issue was the sheer power boost was still too much

Weather is infinite

[unique moat]

The skill sandstorm doesnt exist?

[hexed umbra]

Sand Stream is infinite turns

The move isn't

[unique moat]

Im talking about the move, they should have kept Sand rush/swift swim and just ban the infinite weathers

[hexed umbra]

Sand Stream isn't an issue without sand rush.
Sun/Rain are STILL issues without their speed bosting abilities

[unique moat]

Nothing is an issue if all infinite weathers are banned, because it requires a lot of setup

[hexed umbra]

But Sand/Hail are completely fine (without sand rush)

[unique moat]

Doesnt matter really, infinite weather is not fun, at all

[hexed umbra]

Eh, fun is subjective. It's a bit of chip each turn

[unique moat]

Infinite sand is still an issue, if your team is built around it, you get free damage, rock gets a defensive bonus, and you mess up moves like synthesis and others

[hexed umbra]

It's far from broken though

[delicate gull]

Infinite sand is way less of a problem

Ngl also just blame the suspect test voters because they voted for Sand Rush banned over sand stream

[unique moat]

Everyone is still spamming Sand Team with success, its just free, theres no reason to not play it, its super easy to fuse with a Steel/Rock/Ground and make a great team that has free stuff

[unique moat]

Really? Weird

[delicate gull]

Ngl sand is fine

We have a ton of defensive tools that can deal with it being up

Now spikes probably get way better and you have to play a bit more carefully around hazards

But unlike gen 3 ou we have enough options for hazard removal

[hexed umbra]

Do you mean the opposite?

[delicate gull]

Oh yeah I do

💀

[unique moat]

Why is swift swim still banned if Drizzle is banned ?

[hexed umbra]

Is it still? Lmao

[delicate gull]

Swift swim is legal

[tiny wadi]

drizzle is not banned

[unique moat]

Wait what

[delicate gull]

Drizzle is banned

Currently

[tiny wadi]

I dont see it?

oh

in singles?

[delicate gull]

Try to validate it

[hexed umbra]

It probably hasn't updated yet

[delicate gull]

Yes in singles

In doubles no

[tiny wadi]

oh nvm then

[hexed umbra]

Doubles basically doesn't have a banlist, it's wild

[delicate gull]

We don’t even do Tiering for doubles

💀

If y’all want some representation for doubles maybe we could get some people

[unique moat]

Then why ban Sandrush and not Sandstream, thats so weird to me xD

[hexed umbra]

I ran 4 Porygon-Z/Noivern and 2 support mons in the old doubles tournament

[delicate gull]

Because sand stream adds in spdef walls that can hold up against some SF mons

[tiny wadi]

I just think doubles is better then singles

[delicate gull]

We lit got triples before a vgc format in IF

[unique moat]

Oh well, at least we'll see less weather team so overall im happy with that

[delicate gull]

You can run Fire and Water coverage freely

Without worrying about having a setter

[odd kiln]

because the problem with sand was the fact that sandslash could outspeed everything

its not sand itself being broken

[hexed umbra]

Sandslash probably would have been fine without Thousand Arrows

We need Zygarde added to gut 4 moves from the move tutor lol

[true wedge]

Yup, Thousand Arrows was certainly the kicker - although tbh the sheer offensive profile of Sandslash/Haxorus is pretty strong even not considering Thousand Arrows.

[unique moat]

Thousand Arrows should have stayed on Zygarde xD i hate that move so muchè

[delicate gull]

When Zygarde gets added tarrows we get removed from every other mon that has it

As a expert move unless that changes in IF 2

[hexed umbra]

Ground/Dragon isn't too hard to wall since dragon doesn't provide much, Sandslash really relies on thousand arrows

[delicate gull]

The reason Sandslash was also so broken with sand rush was because it was by far the fastest mon in the tier

Tarrows made it be able to not run stuff like stone edge or other coverage to hit birds

[hexed umbra]

Sand rush made it hard to beat offensively, Arrows made it hard to beat defensively

[unique moat]

Whats up with the inactivity timer? It doesnt reset? I had like 5 second each turn to make a decision, thats plain stupid

[manic trail]

timer is fine

[unique moat]

It should give back more time, i had to go check on somethinf real quick, went back and had like 20 second left for the whole match

Well i guess the timer is fine, the problem is the opponent triggering the Timer at the start of the game

Okay this is the funniest match of my Smeargle lead xD

Is there a better way to share replays?

[wooden marsh]

when the battle ends, there's an "upload" and a "download" button, the download downloads the file you've shared, the upload gives you a link that you can share with others

[unique moat]

Ooh thx

[unique moat]

Man i hate when i Trick an assault vest, i just auto concede lol

[radiant rivet]

why?
you reduced the opponents spdf by 50% and choice locked them

thats kinda huge

[strange zephyr]

Am curious
I don't play too much Showdown, specially IF

Is Prankster Weather Move going to become meta?

Cause that'd be partially funny

[odd kiln]

because the trick user has no attacks

[radiant rivet]

why would they do that?

[odd kiln]

largely unexplored but its maybe possible

youd need a good way to get past ttar fusions though (reference to gen 3 ou)

[unique moat]

Because its a weird smeargle build that is really effective at its role, but gets hard countered by assault vest holders haha

[odd kiln]

ive used sunny day entei leafeon before

[strange zephyr]

I mean, I know usually Weather moves are bad, but if its perma it should be fine as a lead

[odd kiln]

its not permanent

only weather set by abilities are

[strange zephyr]

Ooooooh
I didn't know that

That's weird

[radiant rivet]

whats it do?

[unique moat]

Trick a choice, then sleep powder the switch in, then stealth rock, then transform, 80% of the time i can do all that and even take out a pokemon with the transform, sometimes i have to sleep and switch on first turn

[radiant rivet]

good to know

most smeargles find themselfes thwarted by mbounce, this one doesnt seem different

[unique moat]

Mbounce doesnt work against Trick

[unique moat]

Man, i wish crit didnt exist in pokemon xD

[manic trail]

my crit = fair and good game mechanic, their crit = uncompetitive rng bs

[unique moat]

Exactly haha

Man, i hate stats stacking team (Using legendary pkm as fusion for free stats)

Hydreigon with Contrary spamming Draco Meteor is dumb lol

[radiant rivet]

just use unaware clef

[jagged field]

Hello good evening, could someone send me the link to the game without going through mega? I'm trying and it won't work at all.

[odd thorn]

afaik, the download for the mobile version has to go through mega due to some sort of suspicious link prevention

that being said, this isn't the best channel to get help with that. #tech-support will be more help

[oak vector]

Weather banned in Gen 9 IF OU? Kitler ded

[delicate gull]

In natdex all weathers should still be legal because it’s not permanent

[unique moat]

Is Gen 9 IF more popular than Gen 7?

Also, where can i see my current Elo and W/L?

[delicate gull]

Gen 7 IF DEX is the most popular

ND was popular for a bit during the Pchal invitational

[odd kiln]

type /rank

[unique moat]

Welp, until Infinite weather gets completely banned, ill start playing Gen 9 and see how it is

Its only sandstorm team 90% of the time, im so tired, theres not enough playerbase to play what you want, you have to play against the meta

[odd kiln]

nd is pretty fun

[unique moat]

Any meta without infinite weather should be fun, i'm a bit worried because theres a lot of pkm that i don't know in this Gen

[unique moat]

Why is Beheeyem Illegal?

[dull plaza]

Beheeyem doesn’t exist in IF

[unique moat]

Oh!

[main thicket]

Hi there,
I have a question about the move hidden power....
My goal is to have hidden power ground at 60 base power to combo with technician ability
But each time i have the "right" amount to get that
The debug mode and the lady scientist at ruins of alph said i have 68 base power hidden power ground

It's no way to get 60 for make the combo with technician?

[gilded nebula]

how can i play in the showdowns

[odd kiln]

[hexed umbra]

Does hidden power have gen3 mechanics in-game?

[dull plaza]

Hidden Power has its own unique mechanics in game

That’s like Gen 3 but only gives power between 68-70 power and there’s also HP Fairy and HP FireWaterGrass and HP ??? (That’s the actual type)

[wooden marsh]

That's very interesting, is it like documented somewhere?

[dull plaza]

For what ivs give what type, it’s on the infinite fusion wiki on the “differences between official games” page where there’s a chart that I discovered and made myself

For power, idk it’s super weird

[mental wyvern]

Just cracked the top 100 on ladder. Enjoying setup sweepers a ton.

[radiant rivet]

good for you

[hexed umbra]

If true, thats inaccurate to showdown

[dull plaza]

It is true, but they’re not going to implement it because it is an extreme hassle to change hidden power stuff on the client and would mess with other fangame stuff too

Is what they told me a year ago when I first told them lol

[wooden marsh]

Hm so in showdown it is 60bp?

Good news for roserade then

[strange zephyr]

I have a small feeling Volbeats gonna get Tail Glow banned...

Magnezone/Volbeat is cracked
Bug Buzz
Water Pulse
Defog
Tail Glow
Bug Steel with 102 Special Attack

[odd kiln]

tha doesnt sound very impressive

+3 252+ SpA Life Orb Magnezone Bug Buzz vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Unaware Clefable: 90-107 (22.7 - 27%) -- possible 5HKO after Leftovers recovery

+3 252+ SpA Life Orb Magnezone Bug Buzz vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Assault Vest slowkingdonphan: 224-265 (57.4 - 67.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[odd thorn]

I mean... comparing it against an Unaware mon seems a little unfair

[odd kiln]

+3 252+ SpA Life Orb Magnezone Water Pulse vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Registeel: 160-188 (43.2 - 50.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

its totally fair when its a staple of the meta

if you cant touch the unaware mons youre a bad setup mon

[strange zephyr]

Running Taunt over Defog could help, youd just have to get a different mon to handle hazards

Defog just feels more of a blanket pick to cover more teams

Could also run 3 attacking moves and use Flash Cannon

But I don't know if that ones helpful enough

[odd kiln]

its surely much more helpful than water pulse

[strange zephyr]

Just figured the coverage for Fire types would be helpful

That and grounds

[odd kiln]

you hit grounds neutral with bug buzz

and flash cannon

steel bug is a very awkward typing and on top of having shallow coverage its also slow so you can easily pressure it offensively

so idt tail glow is bannable on it

[strange zephyr]

What is the best type for Bug then
Bug Rock?

I know thats the best offensive type for Bug

[odd kiln]

idrk bc very few bugs are actually used

best would be genechomp

[strange zephyr]

Bug Dragon?

Rocks would be a hassle tho

[odd kiln]

no bug dragon is actually really bad

gets super walled by two of the best defensive types in the tier

[strange zephyr]

Fairy and Steel?

[odd kiln]

yes

while not hitting many types se in return

[strange zephyr]

Bug Ground does not work for this thing :/
Highest Special Attack is on freaking Stunfisk

81 is not good

[odd kiln]

Lol.

[strange zephyr]

I guess Espeon/Volbeat works

With Stored Power

[odd kiln]

this is why i dont see it being any good

[strange zephyr]

Two Tail Glows gets a two hit on Clef after Lefties

[odd kiln]

not clef registeel

[strange zephyr]

Oh Clef Regi

Hmm

Chandelure then?
Not fast enough tho...

Actually...
Sun Boosted Overheat OHKOs
Would be a wonk ass set tho

Aint no one ready for the Prankster Sunny Day Overheat Ghost Bug

[odd kiln]

right

[strange zephyr]

No but I do see that it's not as good as I thought

Tis a little sad the mon I wanna focus on spriting isn't gonna be as good as I thought

[odd kiln]

it might see use in doubles idk

no whimsicott is just better

duu ‼️

[strange zephyr]

Maybe will see use in DOU with Bug Steel having better defensive typing then Grass Steel

Or I guess Fairy Steel is just better

Well, maybe not
How popular is Eruption/Heat Wave

Bulky Bug/Steel might still be fine on rain teams

Doesn't have a fighting weakness

Does get effected by powder moves but you could just run Goggles

[odd kiln]

p popular since torkoal packs drought + eruption + glacial speed

[strange zephyr]

Glacial Speed?

[odd kiln]

its low af speed stat

[strange zephyr]

OOOoooh

Fair

[woeful kindle]

Hi is it normal than prankster work on dar type ?

It shouldn't work since 7g

[odd kiln]

if ingame has it work

[woeful kindle]

uh okayy tyy :))

[lavish delta]

Hello all

[gilded nebula]

heyo

anyone wanna play doubles ou??

just dm me if u want to

[strong yew]

downloaded the game from a fake official website again award :(

[proud agate]

?tag fakefiles

[frosty yarrow]

Beware of Unofficial Websites That Claim To Be Official.

The only official sources to download the game are here, the game's subreddit or the pokecommunity thread.

To clean out your computer:

1. Delete all the save files from the fake files. It's not recommended to keep these, as they have bugs and fake data that the normal game doesn't have.
   🔵 Your game folder has a shortcut that you double click named Savefile to take you to the location to delete all save files. They are named File A.rxdata.
2. Delete any zipped/unzipped folders from there
3. Run a virus scan

After doing all the steps, use #downloads to download the real files.

@upbeat mirage ff

[finite pier]

@pure breach can I shoot you a pm about something

[pure breach]

Of course

[obtuse valley]

How does showdown work? Are the enemy pokemon ai controlled?

[odd kiln]

no you fight real players

[obtuse valley]

lit

how can i find the rules? like what pokemon are banned

[odd kiln]

if you go into if dex ou all mons there are allowed

[obtuse valley]

okay okay thats good to know

[kindred magnet]

This is a bit off topic but would love to hear some thoughts on a project I'm working on.

I want to make the base game more challenging by integrating every showdown set from this list https://pkmn.github.io/smogon/data/sets/gen9.json.

I've figured out how to import all the sets but I need a way to distribute them across levels without breaking balance e.g. no level 5 pikachu with volt tackle. Not sure what to do for moves that are tutored/tm and not level ups and could use some ideas

[manic trail]

i would ask in some pokemon romhack dev discord since they probably have experience with balancing a pokemon game

[kindred magnet]

I'll give that a try thanks!

[cunning agate]

Yo, Real question. Why is Huge Power Banned in IF DEX OU?

[hexed umbra]

It gives pokemon absurd attack stats. Azurill (the baby) was broken with it

[cunning agate]

If Only Huge Power and not Thick Club was legal. What would be the strongest fusion, and would it be good in the IF DEX OU meta is my main question.

Vise Versa for Thick Club

[radiant rivet]

so azuril dragonite was very good.
Stab huge power espeed is just stupid

[cunning agate]

was? it was legal at one point?

[radiant rivet]

it was legal at one point but got quickly bannend

its say 2 months in or something like that, but i dont know how long it stayed

[cunning agate]

Thats cool. I didnt know. I wish I played during that time.

Now that I think about it. I guess a 616 atk ExtreemSpeed would be strong.

[radiant rivet]

for context choice banded azunite hits an attack stat of over 900 (910)
Banded mega ray hits 756.

And i didnt even factor in stab for azunite

[cunning agate]

Yeah, thats diabolical. Cool to know the history.

I know we have the Dazzling Abillity know to Stop Priority but needing a specific counter isnt an argument for competitive.

[radiant rivet]

funnily bruxish was added after azunite got bannend

[radiant rivet]

bruxish is also ass

even fusion cant safe it.
And fusion gave bastiodon a niche

[cunning agate]

Unfortunately

But is this guy also guilty for Azumanite's Crimes?

on seccond thought....

[hexed umbra]

I'm not sure how long Thick Club/Azumarill lasted before getting banned, but originally Azumarill was banned instead of Huge Power

[radiant rivet]

so thick club got bannend on day two.
But for day one marrowak scyther was fun with technican stab bonemerang and aeriel ace

[obtuse valley]

Tbh-- Im glad for the ban

because that build is very popular and kinda boring

[glossy zealot]

when did smeargle became OU?

[odd kiln]

some time ago

[patent yoke]

What's the OU reason

Is it purely the near-infinite movepool he got?

[odd kiln]

ig i havent thought about it too hard bc theoretically he could be uu

not that used in ou and is more of just an annoyance at best and a noobtrap at worst

[dull ingot]

likely the same reason it was/is in earlier gens, if there isn't a decently popular lum berry fighting type, Focus Sash + Spore and free spikes is pretty good

[odd kiln]

spore is banned

this may have been before uu existed as a tier

but i think smeargles viability hinges on the strength of webs ho and in uu it doesnt seem that great as mons are slow and bulky

also competes hard with slurpuff who has better bulk, spe, and type

[dull ingot]

ahh ok

[obtuse shoal]

Hey guys
How did the meta change while I was gone

Perma weather has been banned right?

[odd kiln]

sun and rain

[radiant rivet]

hail and sand got stronger

enteietta exploded in usage

[wooden marsh]

Hey uh @odd kiln the announcement in #event-announcements and the one in #showdown-announcements have different timestamps, which one is correct?

(I really hope it's the #event-announcements one, the other one is at 3am for me lol)

[odd kiln]

event

[eager mango]

Hey ! Anyone know how do mega-evolv work on if national dex ? Does it changes ability after méga evolving ? Why is it written "illégal" ?

[odd kiln]

if head it starts as base and changes abil when mega evolving

if body it starts as mega and gives you both head abilities and mega ability options

[eager mango]

Okay thx a lot !

[bright frigate]

Hello! Where can I find the banlists for the weekly tournaments?

[radiant rivet]

i dont think we have a ban list tbh.
In the builder you can see what mons are allowed.
as for abilities the only unorthodox are drizzle and drought as well as sand rush in combo with sandstream being bannend.(Disguise wonderguard and hugepower being bannend is obvious along the likes of the evasion boosting weather abilities)

as for moves we got a couple.
Shellsmash bellydrum spore vcreate and boomburst

[bright frigate]

Thanks

[wooden marsh]

Sand rush is actually banned in general

Which is admittedly a bit weird

[radiant rivet]

so no counter teaming

[odd kiln]

/tier ifdexuu

[haughty yoke]

hey, how often does pokethlon update the sprites? is it like a monthly thing or just whenever they feel like it, just curious for a few newer sprites i wanted to use on the website

[odd kiln]

monthly

[haughty yoke]

ok, do you know when that is or nah

[odd kiln]

i dont its just whenever the online database pokeathlon uses updates

[haughty yoke]

gotcha

appreciate the help

[odd kiln]

np

[obtuse shoal]

Sand was already strong wtf

[radiant rivet]

well with no rain and sun to remove it sand got better

[limpid oriole]

how do Showdowns work?

[pure breach]

Are you looking to make a team or fight someone?

[shadow willow]

Happy birthday!

[delicate gull]

Epic

[weary burrow]

I think my brain just committed su***de

[radiant rivet]

wonderguard my favorite mon

[fleet sage]

Is there a Showdown league or whatever later today ?

[radiant rivet]

an if dex doubles ou tour yes

check showdown announcements for more info

[fleet sage]

DizzPlayor

#verify

wheres the verify channel

[vapid stag]

the hardest part of competitive Pokemon: saying “gg” before your opponent leaves

[undone heath]

hello, does someone know if there is a workaround for evolved pokemon at low level in showdown? i found a lvl 14 tentacruel in randomlocke and when i export it to showdown it wont allow me to use it until lvl 30, but im playing with friends at low level

[hexed umbra]

Challenge with custom game

[vapid stag]

Try anything goes or hackmons

[undone heath]

that works! thank you!
is there any way to do custom game in doubles?

[odd kiln]

there should be a custom doubles game available

[undone heath]

definitely not finding it

AG wont allow me what i need

[odd kiln]

it might be the actual battle

if they renamed doubles custom game for the rainbow rocket event

[undone heath]

i tried it but no, since they wont allow me to use underleveled evolved pokemon in that format

[odd kiln]

o

[undone heath]

i asked in the pokeathlon server and they fixed it!
in case anyone is wondering you should use the format "chaos fusion doubles custom"

[dense leaf]

Where is Chaos Fusion Doubles Custom? I don't see it anywhere

[latent apex]

Hello! Quick question about the recent changes to some pokemon abilities - so we know if there's a comprehensive list available anywhere marking the changes? For example: Flygon getting dry skin
Thanks! 🙏

[elfin spruce]

Just use the infinitefusiondex website

[indigo eagle]

Is there any way to change a mon's type or stats for a custom battle?

[obtuse shoal]

i wonder, how would the meta change if bronzong was in the game

[odd kiln]

not much

[obtuse shoal]

it's a steel type with levitate

[odd kiln]

and ass hp

[hexed umbra]

it doesn't provide too much, rocks + levitate + steel type

[obtuse shoal]

Oh ou tour soon

I'll just spectate

[shadow vapor]

https://garticphone.com/sv/?c=0271d36906

join garlic phone

[obtuse shoal]

so, I noticed that your opponent can have a water ground and a water flying

and I think the only way to deal with that is freeze dry

[radiant rivet]

or just strong neutral damage?

in combination with hazards ofc

[obtuse shoal]

well, water flying is weak to electric and rock
water rock is strong to those things but weak to grass
water flying can deal big hurricanes against grasses

[radiant rivet]

I was more thinking just Banded CCs and plus 2 moongeist beams but you do you

[jagged hound]

Hi

Where can I see the full ruleset/banlist of all the tiers?

[wooden marsh]

You can use the /tier command in showdown, e.g. /tier ifdexou

[obtuse shoal]

Ah crap is the UU thing over?

[elfin spruce]

Yup

[vestal lava]

Just got some lovely confirmation that I am, in fact, as bad at Pokemon as I think I am.

I really need to remember to stop participating in tournaments.

[odd kiln]

the more tours you play the better youll become

[vestal lava]

Yeah, but I'm painfully competitive. It's better if I don't.

[radiant rivet]

the road to success is paved in failure.

As is the road to failure

[sweet wind]

Rock head on the clefabke seems the wrong ability

[zenith egret]

i made an mono ground team for if dex ou

[sharp lagoon]

is there any way to choose wich stats to take from wich pokemon or does it auto choose

[unborn pine]

once medicham gets added it will automatically get pure power banned I assume right

[pure breach]

It’s a weighed average. Head provides 2/3 of HP, Spatk and Spdef. Body provides 2/3 of Atk, Def, and Speed

[hexed umbra]

It's identical to huge power, absolutely

[sharp lagoon]

aww man i wish i coudl fuse shedinja with shuckle and use sturdy but it doesnt have 1 hp

[odd thorn]

The 1 HP part is a forced effect of the Wonder Guard ability

[magic sundial]

It has Hustle. What items y'all would recommend for it?

He rotates with another pokemon its why first impression is here

[hexed umbra]

Sitrus or lum berry maybe? Helps with getting off that baton pass combo

[turbid lance]

Can u play infinate fusion on Android

[rose ridge]

Ues

But wrong channel

[dull plaza]

People really love to use this channel for anything but actually talking about showdown

[weary burrow]

Why is Whimsicott able to learn spore in if dex?!

It doesn’t learn it ingame

[odd kiln]

it doesnt?

@feral anchor Is this true.

[odd thorn]

whimsicott can learn spore in game

granted, it can only learn spore via TM102- which can only be found as a randomized item- but it CAN learn it

[feral anchor]

❌

[odd kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/reddit-reddit-gambling-slot-machine-poky-reddit-pokie-gif-15930312603982781181

[summer pecan]

It may not be optimal but it's so fucking funny

[obtuse shoal]

Ok so about averagemon

I guess we'll have some eviolites

Actually how do base stats work

Ok, every base stat 100

So let's see
We have good abilities in regenerator and weather setting.
We have interesting options in glare dunsparce

[thick axle]

if averagemons is if dex ou but with the twist that every mon has 100/100/100/100/100/100 stats

on top of this there is an additional banlist:
bans: smeargle, tail glow, quiver dance, contrary, simple, magic guard, sheer force, poison heal,** snow warning, sand stream**, eviolite, quick powder, metal powder, light ball, thick club
unbans: arceus, blissey, chansey, darkrai, deosectwo, deoxys, dialga, giratina, groudon, hooh, kyodonquaza, lugia, mewtwo, necrozmaultra, paldiatina, palkia, rayquaza, regigigas, reshiram, slaking, volcarona, zekrom, zekyushiram
clauses: single ability clause, sleep moves clause
Seems like all weather abilities are banned

[obtuse shoal]

Poison heal, sheer force and magic guard... But not huge or pure power?

[thick axle]

Those are banned by default

those are extra bans for the format

[obtuse shoal]

It also seems like leech seed gets a buff

and hazards, since less answers

[odd kiln]

wym less answers

hazard control gets xatu

[obtuse shoal]

magic guard and poison heal meant my stealth rock leech seed plan never really worked that well

but since regenerator and magic bounce are round...

personally I'm expecting a bunch of uturn, so I might bring in moltres again

[obtuse shoal]

oh interesting thing about this meta

since every mon has stats 100

it doesn't matter what's on the head and what's on the body!

oh yeah togekiss can espeed now

[odd kiln]

head and body matters for typing though

starmie sylveon is much better than sylveon starmie for example

[obtuse shoal]

yeah, but the point is there's a lot of fusions that have good typing and are viable now

btw, what's the opinon on hymega in this avgmons

it loses quiver dance, but still gets most of everything else

another funny mon could be dunsparce

but yeah here's what I'm expecting
scizor and jirachi will be the top mons because they both do the same thing (steel, recovery, knock off)

and dunsparce will make an appearance

[elfin spruce]

Wait, I may have a funny averagemon idea, I’ll have to use it tommorow tho

[elfin spruce]

Can’t wait for dunsparce/sableye (or smeargle/sableye) to say: “it’s glaring time,” and glare all over the place.

Also smeargle/whimsicott kinda has a niche now

[obtuse shoal]

I was also thinking of dunsparce galvantula so it can't be glared back

And it can volt switch

[elfin spruce]

Can’t wait for “Battle against a true Dunsparce”

[thick axle]

isn't smeargle banned?

[dull plaza]

Yes it is

[obtuse shoal]

sableye about to have its revenge

[queen pewter]

Any soup recommendations?

[dull plaza]

[queen pewter]

Is there an "official" tier-list?

[odd kiln]

somewhat

[queen pewter]

I was more asking about post-fusion tier list

but this is interesting. ngl wasnt expecting nidoking in S tier

[odd kiln]

thatd be ridiculously tedious with how many fusions you can make

nidoking is s bc sheer force + wide special movepool is pretty broken

[queen pewter]

everything about the game is tedious xD

I cannot imagine how hard this game was to produce

[queen pewter]

I see 🤔

[queen pewter]

How are post-fusion stats calculated? I thought it took ATK DEF SPD from the body and HP SpA SpD from the head?

at least, thats what the book in game said

[odd kiln]

atk def spe 2/3 from body

hp spa spd 2/3 from head

[queen pewter]

aha

[radiant rivet]

i thought mew dropped

as well as politoad and ninetales/torkoal after the drizzle/drought ban

[forest hill]

https://pokepast.es/ad464cec88e0224f I legit just came up with this concoction and I love the designs

Is this good

[radiant rivet]

nope

[thick axle]

https://play.pokeathlon.com/usage/gen7ifdexou.txt July IF OU usage rates, posted on the pokeathlon server

[outer tusk]

has anyone considered doing something similar to the Nuzlocke invitational here?

a bunch of us here plays a randomized nuzlocke of pokemon Infinite Fusions, then after we all finish (in a month or so probably) we use showdown with the pokemon we beat the e4 with and have a little tournament

you'd have to not unfuse what you catch to make it fair

[analog eagle]

Cool thought, but everyone would either need debug mode already unlocked for infinite rare candies, or would all have to grind out levels normally (which tbf isn't too terrible given rematches and speed-up)

[hexed umbra]

[Removed I guess]

[outer tusk]

it would take a month anyway

[odd thorn]

I don't think a server event can condone breaking server rules fwiw

?tag rule24

[frosty yarrow]

Talking about and distributing ways to edit/mod game code (that includes methods to illegitimately obtain magic boots/debug mode) is not allowed.

[hexed umbra]

Not sure if just mentioned that methods exist counts, removed just in case

[severe heath]

can someone explain me how it works ?

Did I have to breed or I just have to fuse and cook on the site ?

[hexed umbra]

The site is completely seperate

[severe heath]

Then how it works ?

[odd thorn]

you can just type the numbers you want in

you don't need to breed or ev train or anything

[severe heath]

oh

Ok

[restive ivy]

Who is this guy XD

Man's lost to me and changed his name I see he does this to most people he loses to.

I died 🤣.

This is pure madness

[pure breach]

When you see this sort of behaviour please report them. If you click on their name there should be a “Report” button, so please do that next time

Let’s mods know about it and avoids giving them any attention in any channel

[rotund flume]

how is the tournament gonna work? Do you have to sign up somewhere?

[odd kiln]

you click join

[rotund flume]

I can't type in the showdown server chat but I imagine that doesnt matter

[odd kiln]

doesnt but if you join the pokeathlon server and verify yourself you can

[rotund flume]

too much effort for 1 play session

[odd kiln]

True...

whats ur user

oh wait i can verify you myself

[rotund flume]

funkytomate

[main jungle]

I've never been able to chat in the showdown chat

now I can

[odd kiln]

gg

[warm rapids]

hello , it will be the first tiem that I participate in the random battle and I wad wondering if I had to do anythign specific to show that I participate

[rotund flume]

click the thing at the top right of the showdown page

[warm rapids]

oh ok

[vernal spoke]

I wish I knew that

[inner girder]

dang got home 20 minutes late 😭

its the only showdown i can reasonably join

[thick axle]

So is the Sunday tournament gonna be a custom format? I think it was IF Ou before

[odd kiln]

yeah it is i need to announce the new formats but im bad at creative writing

[inland parrot]

What's this game called

I forgot to say hi everyone

[glossy zealot]

...showdown

[inland parrot]

How do I get

[glossy zealot]

its on web

you play on the site

pokemon showdown

[inland parrot]

My internet is bad

So what the name of the site

Btw isn't this server for Pokemon infinte fusion

Guys it keeps showing this error what does it mean and got ant fix

[inland parrot]

Hello everyone

So I just got the hang of the game

Anyone wanna battle

Nvm I guess

[severe heath]

||||

[inland parrot]

Hi

So guys why are all of these things banned

Like where's the fun in taht

[humble condor]

I like that it says mega evolutions are banned twice
-# I didn’t catch the one in the middle

[wooden spindle]

thrice

[thick axle]

Being able to try the hoenn mons seems fun, I wonder which one would be viable 🐚

[vital sand]

For the doubles tour replacement, do I have to have kyodonquaza in my team?

[odd kiln]

no

its allowed but not required

[inland parrot]

Hi everyone

Do any of you use pokeathlon

Or showdown

[crystal timber]

Why does my spites change every time I open the game

There so ugly

😔

[unborn pine]

Why is kyogre banned from avaragemons

[pale violet]

Hi chat.

[low merlin]

because drizzle is banned

[elfin spruce]

Cause it’s infinite

[hexed umbra]

-# fusion

[restive ivy]

Damn..

Man's following me

Matched up with him 5 different times and he doesn't even play he just sits there and waste time

Ill report him next time I see him though just saw the message that was left last time I saw this guy

[elfin spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/fant4stic-say-that-again-gif-16690486418948643620

[trim herald]

so ive gotta ask right

this isnt intentional, is it (the necrozium being unbanned)

[opaque inlet]

It’s unbanned in OU so i don’t see why it would be banned here

[trim herald]

it is??? last set of tournaments i was in it was banned but that was in like 2024 so like im running on outdated knowledge LOL

unless thats also not true and im just actually hallucinating for real

[dull plaza]

That’s not true

Necrozium was never banned

[trim herald]

i was definitely hallucinating for real then LOL

this is what not paying attention for a year does to you

mb chat

[thick axle]

Wait what does Necrozium do?

[elfin spruce]

Transforms you if your Necrozma and are using photon geyser into ultra Necrozma (or that other move idk)

[dull plaza]

No it’s Photon Geyser you’re right

[spring rose]

Hello, I'm having trouble entering the showdown, this message always appears, can someone help me? Am I doing something wrong?

[odd kiln]

wrong link

check the channel desc to get the real one

[spring rose]

Thanks ^^

[tawdry cave]

Just watched Jimothys video on Infinite Fusion and wanna try messing around with some stuff

And I think I just discovered something kinda cracked?

Is Alomomola + Melmetal a known entity? It doesnt have a sprite, but it looks like it ought to be good

[dull plaza]

Neither of those Pokémon are in Infinite Fusion

So it can’t be used in IFdex nor will have a sprite

[tawdry cave]

ah

Thatd do it

No 155/122/51 bulk with Regen and Flip Turn

[ebon minnow]

Chandeljask (Chandelure) @ Life Orb
Ability: Flash Fire
Fusion: Ninjask
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Roost
• Shadow Ball
• Calm Mind
• Overheat

Thoughts?

Flamethrower over overheat

Could also be a defogger?

[amber kite]

I had no idea this existed here now

Used to be a separate whole server

Anaconja is still number 2😂

[odd kiln]

holy shit

its scott