Oh wow Huge Power's not even in Ubers
#showdown-general
patent yoke
delicate gull
What if ubers had some random ditto clause that ditto can only be fused with ditto so we don’t have to deal with Blissey or Chansey ditto in Ubers
odd kiln
goofy but could work ig
delicate gull
Actually there is species clause wouldn’t work impostor ban seems the most plausible
Ubers has more access to better unaware walls anyway tho
Or it’s a rule that Ditto can’t fuse
And you just have a base ditto which is basically just ditto ditto if ubers needs impostor that bad for some reason
Probably not tho
odd kiln
seems a bit convoluted yes
hexed umbra
It would be interesting if (in ubers only) the banned abilities list only applied to fused pokemon. That would mean you can run imposter ditto and Arena Trap Dugtrio
And basic Shedinja
proud forum
I was trying to export my team to fight a friend but my team doesn't get accepted in neither regional dex nor natdex. Is there any way to solve either of the two other than just removing the problem moves/pokemon?
pure breach
I was trying to export my team to fight a friend but my team doesn't get accepte...
could you try again?
proud forum
It works now. I don't know what you did but thank you.
pure breach
magic
weary burrow
I have become death
sly crater
I have become death
That’s literally a nuke
weary burrow
NUKEleon
sly crater
Also what format is this from? Are there some fakemons in a sort of national Dex format for IF 
pure breach
Chaos formats have mons from all over the server, which hosts Uranium, Insurgence, and a custom mons format
obtuse shoal
minior?
pure breach
minior!
obtuse shoal
Man I don't remember how minior works
hexed umbra
I saw the showdown announcement about minior before the main minior announcement 
obtuse shoal
I saw the showdown announcement about minior before the main minior announcement...
do you remember how shield down works?
hexed umbra
While above 50% health, remains in meteor forme. Immune to status while in meteor forme. Stats change between forms
hexed umbra
I dont know what happens if you would get affected by a status at the same time as you drop below 50%
delicate gull
Do we have any more slots left or nah
obtuse shoal
slots?
hexed umbra
1 left
obtuse shoal
slots for what?
delicate gull
get bronzong in
Can’t
You need bronzor
Not enough slots
We are either getting a mythical legend or luvdisc basically
obtuse shoal
We are either getting a mythical legend or luvdisc basically
no rotom either?
how about manaphy?
obtuse shoal
We are either getting a mythical legend or luvdisc basically
alomomo?
becuase we don't have enough regenerators already
obtuse shoal
still, minior will be pretty interesting
I think
@pure breachHey it says mind blown does not exist in gen 7?
im playing if dex ou?
pure breach
Try again
obtuse shoal
let's see, what can minior do...
it has cosmic power
alright, I tried minior with milotic, it is funny
Minior wants something bulky with recovery, and the good thing is that it protects from status
hexed umbra
Defensive Minior is not something I expected, its basically Shell Smash: the pokemon (though shell smash is banned)
odd kiln
Minior wants something bulky with recovery, and the good thing is that it protec...
just use gliscor at that point
vital sand
I kinda wanna ask this chat
What single stage Mon do you think is good gameplay wise that isn't in the game yet
patent yoke
Fur Coat
vital sand
Oh I forgot that's a thing
radiant rivet
What single stage Mon do you think is good gameplay wise that isn't in the game ...
How about durant?
obtuse shoal
What single stage Mon do you think is good gameplay wise that isn't in the game ...
Shaymin?
radiant rivet
Shaymin?
wouldnt you need to get both forms?
also the idea of fusing shaymin sky with yanmega to give it access to QD sounds terryfing
obtuse shoal
Fair
I was thinking togekiss for that seed flare. But jirachi is even better at that
Besides, I'd only be making shaymin sky again
radiant rivet
I was thinking togekiss for that seed flare. But jirachi is even better at that
why togekiss?
obtuse shoal
Serene grace
radiant rivet
Shaymin sky has serene grace already
obtuse shoal
Because seed flare is only 40%
radiant rivet
its why its so hated
obtuse shoal
Shaymin sky has serene grace already
I was thinking regular min. Because shaymin sky is immediately banned
obtuse shoal
Yeah. But since you also mentioned the forms... It wouldnt work
radiant rivet
speaking of forms, why wasnt lycanrock dusk implemented
tough claws doesnt exist in IF yet
radiant rivet
However you want, since its typing and stats are so great
it is a good rocker with rocks and boom, can beat stall with taunt and magma storm, scarf eruption.
You name it
even has willow
obtuse shoal
no recovery would be the first thing I'd change
radiant rivet
no recovery would be the first thing I'd change
or boosting its dmg
obtuse shoal
also, the fire type is interesting. Though I imagine it will get ditched immediately
odd kiln
What single stage Mon do you think is good gameplay wise that isn't in the game ...
alomomola, diancie, heatran
radiant rivet
alomomola, diancie, heatran
why diancie?
odd kiln
it is a good rocker with rocks and boom, can beat stall with taunt and magma sto...
no reason to use heatran as a suicide lead when there are faster users
odd kiln
why diancie?
carbink but higher offenses
radiant rivet
no reason to use heatran as a suicide lead when there are faster users
It was more about explaining its versitility
odd kiln
that doesnt really count towards its roles though
radiant rivet
Fair
odd kiln
idt itd get eruption either bc thats event only
radiant rivet
that would nerf it significantly
radiant rivet
alomomola, diancie, heatran
alomaloa?
Dont we have enough bulky waters?
obtuse shoal
bulky regenerator waters too
odd kiln
i wasnt saying what would be desirable i was saying what would be good
obtuse shoal
Honestly I want to see heatran
hmm, I wonder if minior can work with ferrothorn...
nah, too little damage, can't get past gliscor
vital sand
idt itd get eruption either bc thats event only
I mean, a lot of moves are unobtainable in the PIF game
Unless something im missing
obtuse shoal
Maybe minior should go to UU
That meta is starving for good burn immune mons
I wonder what if I switched moltres from steel flying to poison flying
radiant rivet
I wonder what if I switched moltres from steel flying to poison flying
do you like being neutral to dragon?
obtuse shoal
do you like being neutral to dragon?
It's not that good of an offensive type
I do see the occasional Draco meteor
But it frees me up for fighting mons
But I'll become weak to rock...
Not that bad of a deal. I only saw 1 good rock type with lycanroc rampardos
obtuse shoal
I wonder what if I switched moltres from steel flying to poison flying
alright, there's no good poison for this
obtuse shoal
speaking of poison, the only good poison here are toxapex and nidoking
radiant rivet
muk?
runic oak
Just did a UU match with Melloetta, is it just not allowed to transform in UU or does Relic Song not transform it?
delicate gull
speaking of poison, the only good poison here are toxapex and nidoking
Muk Tentacruel and Weezing all have nice utility for some fusions in ou
then idk if anyone uses gengar for the poision type but there is probably a poison gengar fusion that may be viable
runic oak
Tentacruel's 100 speed and good bulk makes for real nice fusion material. Speedy tanks are pretty hard to come by
odd kiln
Just did a UU match with Melloetta, is it just not allowed to transform in UU or...
it is allowed its just bad to transform manually into melop
tentacruel is water head though
runic oak
it is allowed its just bad to transform manually into melop
I just used Relic Song in battle, but it didn't cause my type to change. All that happened was the message, (type changed) which clearly didn't work because I then got slugged by a super effective Foul Play
obtuse shoal
thoughts on starmie?
odd kiln
I just used Relic Song in battle, but it didn't cause my type to change. All th...
@pure breach should look into this
odd kiln
thoughts on starmie?
too frail
obtuse shoal
too frail
the requirements for a pokemon to be viable in this meta never ceases to amaze me
odd kiln
i dont think its any different from vanilla really
radiant rivet
thoughts on starmie?
I remember facing a pory z starmie fusion in rain that did absurd dmg with its surfs.
Also used a starmie/Sylveon fusion in UU once, which worked quite well.
odd kiln
pz starmie is normal psychic though
radiant rivet
they switched it to water normaö
shadow otter
Is there a way to use all the fusions on showdown?
odd kiln
what does that mean
radiant rivet
Is there a way to use all the fusions on showdown?
You mean a format where every fusion is legal, or actually playing all (I dont even know how many) fusions in a single match?
How many fusions could a player bring to a single custom game?
hexed umbra
Should be 24, same as regular Showdown
glossy zealot
hey showdown people, is minior good and if so what would be top 3 best fusions to use him
odd kiln
it is not good
glossy zealot
Hmm i though shell smash would Bee his saving grace
odd kiln
smash is banned
odd kiln
another esoteric tier list
patent yoke
Is this aesthetics or
odd kiln
no
hexed umbra
In IF, the type resist berries activate even if the user isn't weak to the type. Is this the same in pokeathlon?
radiant rivet
another esoteric tier list
does this have something to do with dex numbers?
odd kiln
no
pure breach
Ferroseed > Ferrothorn > Forretres >> Chansey >> Slaking is definitely the sign of an esoteric tier list
gritty spire
Someone plz join IF Dex Doubles OU
obtuse shoal
Thoughts on rest?
Natural cure and hydration are pretty useful abilities generally speaking
ember nova
https://replay.pokeathlon.com/#replay=uhidkwatdo-skeepodoop-1730333460204
Dhelmzor went berzerk.
odd kiln
Natural cure and hydration are pretty useful abilities generally speaking
rest natural cure is bad because if you want to wall a certain mon and you have to switch out to move again that is bad
rest hydration is good though
obtuse shoal
https://replay.pokeathlon.com/#replay=uhidkwatdo-skeepodoop-1730333460204
Dhelm...
That moltres was pretty weird ngl
I guess you wanted hurricane, but also wanted sand tomb dry skin?
ember nova
I guess you wanted hurricane, but also wanted sand tomb dry skin?
Well, the intention was stall, but my original rain stall team couldn't do crap to magic guard mons (like the only thing I could do is yawn/force them out until they were last).
So I added Hurricane to break through stuff I couldn't trap.
obtuse shoal
Fair. I myself would have had a harder time breaking through gliscor and ursanite
ember nova
I really need something with infestation again tbh.
Snorcor is hard to beat with the team, but a few well placed huricanes can wear it down/force it out.
obtuse shoal
I do use moltres too, but it's a burning machine. Flame body wisp stealth rock roar recover, with a steel flying
It helps against new players, but anyone who knows what they're doing has answers for burn, even if it's just a lum berry
obtuse shoal
Snorcor is hard to beat with the team, but a few well placed huricanes can wear ...
But yeah, gliscor is just one of the best Pokémon in this game
ember nova
Ground/Flying (both baller types to give to an ally) + Poison Heal (straight up one of the best legal abilities), + good defences and offence.
That thing's a monster no matter what you pair it with.
obtuse shoal
Ground/Flying (both baller types to give to an ally) + Poison Heal (straight up ...
Yeah it's just perfect
Poison heal is the best thing. It makes gliscor immune to burn and it heals passively
And due to his typing he's resistant to a lot of hazards
It's kind of like having a physical magic guard in some ways
radiant rivet
https://replay.pokeathlon.com/#replay=uhidkwatdo-skeepodoop-1730333460204
Dhelm...
Your team seems weak to set up and regen spam
While you were fighting Jirachomp with Flytres, if they had used a single protect of yours to SD / DD your team wouldve been toast.
And while Trapping and toxic is a good combo, it gets kinda shut down by the common duo of regen + Uturn.
obtuse shoal
While you were fighting Jirachomp with Flytres, if they had used a single protec...
And a lot of mons are just not affected by toxic
ember nova
https://replay.pokeathlon.com/#replay=aguaril-skeepodoop-1730391605651
Dhelmzor is so damn hype.
Absolutely amazing fusion design. 2.5x bullet punch and anchor shot (Choice Band + Steelworker + Steel STAB). Absolute amazing wallbreaker. Immune to extreme speed. Absolutely everything about it is so epic.
Like, it may not be the best fusion, or the most reliable, but when that MF hits the field at the right time or predicts a switch, it's so damn satisfying.
obtuse shoal
Absolutely amazing fusion design. 2.5x bullet punch and anchor shot (Choice Band...
why scizor here?
I guess bullet punch is good, but aren't there other steels?
Ok, there's scizor or lucario
for the ghost steel
ember nova
why scizor here?
Scizor has the highest attack stat with the best attack options. Simple as that.
obtuse shoal
Scizor has the highest attack stat with the best attack options. Simple as that.
yeah both scizor and metagross work, and scizor even has roost
and uturn
ember nova
U-turn really pushes it over metagross tbh.
Can't deny having a pivot move is useful as hell.
obtuse shoal
Do you wanna try a 1v1 against me?
ember nova
Especially with choice band so you can u turn when u expect a switch to see what mons your OP has to counter Dhelmzor.
ember nova
honestly it's cool because when I need priority I always go back to ursanite
Ight, I'm ready.
My username is Skeepodoop.
obtuse shoal
i don't see it
obtuse shoal
my username is illusion911
ember nova
obtuse shoal
Honestly I didn't think your team was too bad
that goodra was a wall, but it was really passive
though not that different from my moltres
ember nova
Goodon works in theory, but can't do too much in practise.
It's good at stopping boost sweepers to a degree.
It can often tank an EQ or earth power with its good defences and heal back to full to pivot to something better at handling the threat.
But it can't do much outside of forcing out attackers and scouting.
It's more of a panic button than a wall tbh.
obtuse shoal
yeah if I had used nasty plot on my nidoking
it wouldn't be checking anything
Can gliscor be a good user of body press in nat dex?
obtuse shoal
yeah I tried looking
ember nova
Tf you mean Anchor Shot don't exist, that's litterally its signiture move???
pure breach
try again
ember nova
Still happened.
pure breach
ok try again again lol
I just tried it and it worked
so let me know if it's still happening for some reason
cedar mortar
Just out of curiosity how prevalent have grass types been all things considered?
Yknow, recently (since after the v-create ban)
obtuse shoal
Just out of curiosity how prevalent have grass types been all things considered?...
Tangrowth is just a meta staple here
Still, grass is a bad offensive type so you won't see much stab going out of it
But it is pretty good defensively so you see it a bit mixed with rock on sand teams, or mixed with steel
unborn pine
is minior automatically in core form? :(
oh nvm i thought shell would be better
like defensive flying
but 100 defense
is really low
i expected it to be hihger at least
is it still status immune though
obtuse shoal
is it still status immune though
Yes
pure breach
yessir
opaque inlet
Thx
obtuse shoal
Are fairy types really that good in this game? I think poison and steel should be pretty good in this meta right?
radiant rivet
Steel yes, poison are mid.
Fairy is great because only 3 types resist it, while hitting Dragon, Dark, Fighting super effectivly.
Add to that a immunity to dragon, resisitng Uturn and Knock off.
Finish it of with the fairy types in the game :
Clef is amazing, having great abilities and move pool.
Sylveon is also great, providing huge dmg and pixalate.
Togekiss is much the same with serene grace being incredibly annoying.
Even whimsicott has its place.
poison meanwhile is starving on good mons
deft oasis
Furthermore, it's very easy to cover for Fairy's two weaknesses, and Fairy itself forms a very good defensive core with other solid defensive types like Steel, Water, Ghost (chiefly in IF), Ground, etc.
hexed umbra
Both of fairy's weaknesses being resisted by steel cannot be overstated (and those types aren't exactly great offensively either)
radiant rivet
Surely lovedisk will be a metagame defining mon, right?
deft oasis
with a whopping 330 BST I think this thing is gonna be banned from AG
radiant rivet
Fuse it with ninjask and enjoy a speedstat of over 800(828) in rain, the fastest suicide lead we ever had. Its final gambit coming of a 49 base hp will surely strike terror in unsuspecting opponents that dont have six counters, nay six survivors ready
cedar mortar
I say it should be banned only because I think it would be funny
hexed umbra
We just got a direct upgrade to Carbink lmao, poor Carbink
dull plaza
Hey Carbink will probably thrive in UU
left frost
if only it was an evolution to diancie so you could eviolite it
dull plaza
That would be horrifying 💀
left frost
ye
ruby current
would you guys run Garchomp/Weavile or Weavile/Garchomp?
@odd kiln you're my oracle
opaque inlet
I would run Garchomp/Weavile cause it typing is better offensively
ruby current
I would run Garchomp/Weavile cause it typing is better offensively
if you were running setup on it, would you run DD or SD?
opaque inlet
Definitely DD
opaque inlet
Def not hone claws
ruby current
but everyone loves hone claws 
cursive tiger
so I just discovered the pokeathlon server and feel like testing its use for RP servers, anyone up to battle there?
odd kiln
would you guys run Garchomp/Weavile or Weavile/Garchomp?
i disagree with boshix i think dark ground is much better than dragon ice
so weavile chomp
cursive tiger
Real wick question: how exactly does mega evolution work with fusion?
upbeat mirage
cursive tiger
National Dex AG still lets you select mega stones. So they're effectively useless held items?
opaque inlet
i disagree with boshix i think dark ground is much better than dragon ice
That’s what I said?
Mf that’s what I mean to say
odd kiln
That’s what I said?
garchomp weavile is dragon ice
opaque inlet
Yeah that’s on me
cursive tiger
Gyarados/Garchomp is another suitable choice
odd kiln
its a mid choice
cursive tiger
It is?
odd kiln
doesnt hit v hard
cursive tiger
So it might be the inclusion of Dragon Dance that made it work for me
odd kiln
even with dd it doesnt hit v hard
radiant rivet
We live in a world where 128 Base attack, 96 Base Speed, access to both DD and SD, amazig abilities like roughskin intimidate and moxie as well as a phenomenal defensive and offensive typing in water ground results in a mid pokemon.
Where did we go wrong?
lost galleon
Tangrowth is sitting at the top of the meta and eats it
cyan rock
🌚
lost galleon
Also, 96 base speed has never been a selling point of a Pokemon, even in Gen 1.
odd kiln
We live in a world where 128 Base attack, 96 Base Speed, access to both DD and ...
the only decent abil there is intim and without recovery it is mid
and when you can hyperoptimize the meta yeah 128/96 no boosting abil offense is p easily walled by fat waters, fat flyings, unaware, etc
radiant rivet
the only decent abil there is intim and without recovery it is mid
and when you...
Tbf it still is wild to think about the power level of the metagame is so high that many fusion that would be insta bans in regular play of older generations are not even worth a second glance.
odd kiln
also water ground imo is not actually a good offensive typing
its just a great defensive typing which allows it to easily set up
radiant rivet
How is not good offensivly?
Grass walls it yes.
But besides that it hits lots of stuff for at least neutral
poison bug is what I consider bad offensive typing
odd kiln
i see it as pretty redundant coverage
radiant rivet
would you like to explain?
opaque inlet
Every thing water doesn’t hit ground also doesn’t hit
pure breach
also everything water hits, ground hits
unborn pine
Adding ground allows you to hit water and dragon for neutral but grass still resists both
Offensively hitting everything for neutral with only stabs is pretty important
very much so as tangrowth is common (is it still haven't played in a while)
cursive tiger
Even if grass is common, having an issue with a single type isn't bad at all
odd kiln
not hitting grass is not the problem
its not hitting fat waters hard enough, fat flyings hard enough, getting walled by unaware, all as a result of its initial output not being strong enough
cursive tiger
So you want an electric type on your team
radiant rivet
Not a single electric is OU.
How?
odd kiln
most of them are bad
radiant rivet
how is zapdos bad?
hexed umbra
Zapdos isn't really lacking anything regularly, there simply isn't much a fusion can do for it and it gets power crept (in terms of a defensive electric fusion)
Raikou is alright, but nothing spectacular
Thankfully people stopped using Electrode for soundproof after Boomburst got banned
odd kiln
how is zapdos bad?
just not that powerful and doesnt have a great movepool, bulk is middling too
qd electrify sets are annoying for sure though
odd kiln
webs is not good enough to justify it becoming ou
radiant rivet
what is webs missing?
or rather whats stopping it
I am assuming the metagames high sustain
odd kiln
webs usually is never dominant but the bulk of the meta def doesnt help
in addition to how easy it is to get good hazard control
radiant rivet
What is bad hazard control then?
I am assuming good hazard control referes to those spinners/defogers that posses longevity whilst also being difficult to switch into
donphans knock of, Tentacruels scald, Hydreigons Uturn/Draco, Molters Willow/Uturn.
odd kiln
What is bad hazard control then?
mons who dont dissuade hazard setting or have no recovery
radiant rivet
is blastoise a good spinner?
also what happend to melo P?
Those stats are way to good to be not used.
hexed umbra
I havent really seen Blastoise as a spinner, but it seems usable in theory. if you want a good water-type spinner I would recommend Slowbro/Donphan
radiant rivet
nothing happened to melop its still used
havent seen a single melo.
what are common fusion partners?
I know entei was common, as was lycan mid.
Both got their strenght significantly reduced
deft oasis
I'm not sure there are common fusion partners since MeloP is solid enough to work with alot of mons, but the one I've seen the most is probably Haxorus/MeloP
lone dust
Entei is still common. Yes it missed V-create but the stats are still solid and it likes serene grace sacred fire
obtuse shoal
Grass walls it yes.
But besides that it hits lots of stuff for at least neutral
thing about grass is how vulnerable it is to toxic
until it gets the steel typing
but then it becomes neutral to ground
radiant rivet
You mean a steel neutral to ground
obtuse shoal
You mean a steel neutral to ground
yeah I guess that is pretty valuable
also, what does jigrowth even do with sweepers
if the gliscor is swords dancing, does it have any way to stop that?
Maybe I'm looking at this wrong too
idk, some times it feels like all walls can bulk everything and all sweepers are almost impossible to stop
radiant rivet
if the gliscor is swords dancing, does it have any way to stop that?
Uturn out into something that walls gliscor or threatens the Ohko
obtuse shoal
Uturn out into something that walls gliscor or threatens the Ohko
it's kinda hard to find something that threatens gliscor after an sd isn't it?
Might depend on the fusion really
btw thoughts on toxic?
mons like gliscor, clef and ursanite don't really care, and steels are also everywhere
obtuse shoal
We live in a world where 128 Base attack, 96 Base Speed, access to both DD and ...
the meta is just super bulky
radiant rivet
it's kinda hard to find something that threatens gliscor after an sd isn't it?
If Gliscor is fully invested in bulk it would be difficult to Ohko.
But you are running Sd on it
So I assume at least some Attack investment is made
obtuse shoal
If Gliscor is fully invested in bulk it would be difficult to Ohko.
But you are ...
yeah that is fair
I feel like you need some serious bulk for gliscor to be that bulky, as most of the time it can't take many hard hits
hexed umbra
Snorcor is very difficult to 0hko
That thing took ~60% from specs sylvern boomburst it was crazy
patent yoke
Snorcor uses Poison Heal right?
odd kiln
yes
odd kiln
if the gliscor is swords dancing, does it have any way to stop that?
worry seed
serene arch
if falinks is fused with aghost can it spam no retreat
cursive tiger
I feel like they'd cover that exploit for balancing
hexed umbra
You can do it in SV with tera ghost
odd kiln
if falinks is fused with aghost can it spam no retreat
no
if its a ghost it can switch out after using no retreat but it cant use it multiple times bc no retreat gives you a volatile and fails if you already have that volatile
(unless ur already trapped in which you can spam no retreat)
hexed umbra
No? Ghost types (or mons trapped through another method that isnt no retreat) can use No Retreat multiple times
serene arch
I just want to know for an if draft league
odd kiln
No? Ghost types (or mons trapped through another method that isnt no retreat) ca...
you are wrong
you can see exactly why in the code ts noretreat: { num: 748, accuracy: true, basePower: 0, category: "Status", name: "No Retreat", pp: 5, priority: 0, flags: {snatch: 1, metronome: 1}, volatileStatus: 'noretreat', onTry(source, target, move) { if (source.volatiles['noretreat']) return false; if (source.volatiles['trapped']) { delete move.volatileStatus; } }, condition: { onStart(pokemon) { this.add('-start', pokemon, 'move: No Retreat'); }, onTrapPokemon(pokemon) { pokemon.tryTrap(); }, }, boosts: { atk: 1, def: 1, spa: 1, spd: 1, spe: 1, }, secondary: null, target: "self", type: "Fighting", },
noretreat gives you a noretreat volatile status
if you try to use the move while you have the status it fails
however if you are trapped before using the move the move no longer applies the volatile status allowing you to spam it
serene arch
however if you are trapped before using the move the move no longer applies the ...
with something like ingrain
odd kiln
or jaw lock
odd kiln
sounds like worse falinks mabosstiff to me imo
hexed umbra
Huh, odd that its different from trapping + No Retreat
I forget whatever OM had Jaw Lock + No Retreat briefly legal in SV
rain hull
Hello
hexed umbra
Pretty sure there was an OM that had that combo too (Pretty sure BH has a permanent ladder? idk i dont play it)
opal juniper
When luvdisc...
sturdy cradle
my heart
hexed umbra
Luvdisc can now fuse to pass its blazing 97 speed and Swift Swim to be the fastest rain pokemon! Its definitely viable, trust
patent yoke
Pretty sure as it stands now even Beedrill has more viability than Luvdisc lol
opal juniper
Pretty sure as it stands now even Beedrill has more viability than Luvdisc lol
beedrill has better stats in everything bar speed i think
opal juniper
Luvdisc has never felt so respected or appreciated
Luvdisc is NU in DPPt
going from ZU in RSE to NU in DPPT, then to PU in BW before plummeting back to ZU thrice in XY, SM and SV
these have always been the lowest tiers btw :3
odd kiln
Only NU?
the lowest tier in if is nu
itll probably be expanded as ppl explore lower tiers
opal juniper
tbh luvdisc HAS a use in SV doubles
with giving swift swim to politoed.
that's everything.
obtuse shoal
So besides ursanite
Any better options for priority?
radiant rivet
Well since espeed is +2 instead of +1 most other proirity abusers are in fact weak to ursanite.
You could go the metagross bullet punch route, with brellom or dhelmise as solid fusion partners.
But both of these simply put wont come close to the power of a guts stab espeed.
radiant rivet
So besides ursanite
Any better options for priority?
sylvanite exists too i guess
cedar mortar
Does a necrozma fusion need to have prism armor in order for it to get neuroforce when it transforms into its ultra form or can it have any ability from either fusion to get neuroforce?
cedar mortar
Yeah but to get the neuroforce ability does it need prism armor?
odd kiln
no
idts
now that i think of it though it might
bc ability slots
ive only used prism armor on my necrozma fusions so i havent actually tested that
cedar mortar
Yeah like originally that’s how I thought that worked but if it just allows you to change the ability at will like that imo that makes necrozium p busted lmao
deft oasis
I've tested it once with Greninja as the head fusion and iirc it kept Protean even after it transformed
I could be remembering it wrongly though, could be nice to test it out
dull plaza
No it only changes if it’s Prism Armor because that’s the only ability that’s different between Normal Necrozma and Ultra Necrozma. Other abilities stay the same after transforming.
obtuse shoal
mew should not be ou
Good move pool ig
but bad typing
obtuse shoal
What if swellow was in the game?
It's a fast guts user
silent glade
how is this team? I was thinking of adding another sp attacker what should i take out?
opaque inlet
Protect doesn’t make sense on a guts attacker and dragon tail shouldn’t be used on offensive mons
Doublade doesn’t benefit from flare boost at all
And for defense mon’s evs you should go max health and then defense/Spdef
obtuse shoal
how is this team? I was thinking of adding another sp attacker what should i tak...
I'd switch ursaring garchomp to ursaring dnite. You're forgetting about espeed
Your team is also on a timer, as you have no recovery
ember nova
https://replay.pokeathlon.com/#replay=skeepodoop-fynxderfuchs-1731442166521
Conveniently timed crit always wins me games.
obtuse shoal
https://replay.pokeathlon.com/#replay=skeepodoop-fynxderfuchs-1731442166521
Con...
well played
I see that goodra as pretty annoying, but very passive too
obtuse shoal
this guy had a good rain team
https://play.pokeathlon.com/#battle-gen7ifdexou-356985
I wonder what happens if you give mew protean
radiant rivet
https://replay.pokeathlon.com/#replay=skeepodoop-fynxderfuchs-1731442166521
Con...
wouldnt it be better if your rain setter could pivot into your rain abusers?
ember nova
wouldnt it be better if your rain setter could pivot into your rain abusers?
That's true.
Kinda needed a spinner though.
obtuse shoal
that greninja was scary af
obtuse shoal
wouldnt it be better if your rain setter could pivot into your rain abusers?
looking at it from his perspective, it's kind of crazy
I started off with jigrowth which is a huge pain for him to deal with, so he changed to luretta
and then I immediately burned it with regitres.
Even if he had lum, I knocked off turn 1
snow cairn
anyone wanna fight in a double battle?
ember nova
Dumb question, is beak blast a move that some fusions get?
odd kiln
no
obtuse shoal
So thoughts on weather? Now that swim and phyll are banned, we don't see it that much anymore
Like it is pretty common, but not very oppressive
loud bluff
odd kiln
obtuse shoal
https://garticphone.com/fr/lobby
?
obtuse shoal
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/862940088122867722/1192253422322319380/...
Man's about to release the biggest flail of his life
hexed umbra
FRZ
gaunt viper
what is this 😭
lone dust
Walled by shedinja?
silent glade
what is this 😭
Walled by a lot actually. Unaware, water immune and faster, another mon with priority that could one shot.
odd kiln
oneshotting with prio isnt walling
gaunt viper
Walled by a lot actually. Unaware, water immune and faster, another mon with pr...
with unaware that mon has 1000 atk btw
radiant rivet
So thoughts on weather? Now that swim and phyll are banned, we don't see it that...
weather is incredibly good, even without the speed doubling buff, you are at least guaranteed either permanent chip dmg or a 50 % dmg boost to all attacks of either fire or water dmg. All for the cost of 1 ability slot.
then you add the other affects of the specifics weathers, like rain boosting thunder and hurricane acc, as well as abilitys like dry skin, rain dish, and hydration resulting in an extremly powerfull and suprisingly consistent archetype
silent glade
with unaware that mon has 1000 atk btw
even 1000 atk can't kill in one hit.
random thicket
what is this 😭
LMAO
obtuse shoal
weather is incredibly good, even without the speed doubling buff, you are at lea...
Yeah you just have to use toed
radiant rivet
or ttar/coal/tailS
lone dust
Or delibird 🤣
(I know auroras exists but using delibird as your hail setter is funnier)
gaunt viper
even 1000 atk can't kill in one hit.
its ok bro i was just surprised by the atk chill
obtuse shoal
what is this 😭
Honestly no idea how I'd beat that
Good typing, aqua jet and lots of attack
gaunt viper
imagine in rain
obtuse shoal
imagine in rain
Haha storm drain go brrr. Or just shedinja
gaunt viper
so yall have always a storm drain or shedinja in your teams
marowak can learn rock slide tho but ok I was just surprised by the atk, it obviously has counters 👏 👏
obtuse shoal
marowak can learn rock slide tho but ok I was just surprised by the atk, it obvi...
yeah, and it can be burned
it's also why I like using gliscor
If some chansey decides to use impostor on me, I have the toxic orb facade, and they don't
and it can't be slept while toxic is active
but marowak with thick club does similar with the impostor
btw thoughts on trick?
I tried running a bit, and while it does help some mons, you can't use knock off with it
ember nova
I may have found the rain abuser of all time.
Boltbeam coverage + notable bulk + an automatic speed boost with quick feet + recovery + status immunity.
odd kiln
- walled by every fat clef or jigrowth
radiant rivet
- forced out by pixilate espeed
odd kiln
thats a much lesser problem
obtuse shoal
https://replay.pokeathlon.com/#replay=sjsjwjjw-skeepodoop-1731518717542
Ok that thing did some work
ember nova
+ walled by every fat clef or jigrowth
Naw.
Repeated ice beam can actually start to chip Jigrowth.
odd kiln
it does like 25
obtuse shoal
if it has assault vest
odd kiln
if you arent vest youre bad
obtuse shoal
fair
odd kiln
252 SpA Choice Specs Kyurem Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Assault Vest Jirachi: 77-91 (19 - 22.5%) -- possible 5HKO
obtuse shoal
what's a good moveset for it
odd kiln
i was too optimistic
wait this is specs lol
aint no way
252 SpA Kyurem Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Assault Vest Jirachi: 51-61 (12.6 - 15%) -- possible 7HKO
actual chip btw
odd kiln
what's a good moveset for it
iron head giga drain knock uturn
obtuse shoal
damn, omniterror's been kicking my ass the whole day
https://replay.pokeathlon.com/#replay=illusion911-omniterror6-1731527593686
odd kiln
t2 sack jigrowth
obtuse shoal
t2 sack jigrowth
yeah, but I had no wait to defend myself against that
odd kiln
couldve gone into slowphan first
obtuse shoal
couldve gone into slowphan first
yeah, but I don't think it would ko
he could have done things like drain punch
and he had guts
odd kiln
bad set you can easily 1v1 that
ember nova
https://replay.pokeathlon.com/#replay=skeepodoop-sqicytuna-1731530112873
Wow, this team was evil.
Oops all regenerator.
obtuse shoal
Regen teams are a bit vulnerable to spikes. But yeah that's why you have a defogger
Same for sweepers. I'm guessing you have a phaser
opaque inlet
Use Clefblade instead
Cause rn you have no spin blockers and it solves your problem
Also you should have someone with spikes and rapid spin over defog
Also also you should have some way of inflicting status on the other team besides Baneful Banker
obtuse shoal
raikou looks kind of out of place there
obtuse shoal
Need something for force out boost sweepers though.
yeah what will you do if hymega starts setting up
ember nova
Need roar.
obtuse shoal
you also have trick and knock off
what if you knock off the tricked item
tbf, it's not as crippling as when I was using a choice band
how good are moves like hex and venoshock, against something like gliscor and ursanite
hmm, not very good, as gliscor goes ground a lot, and ursanite is immune to hex...
odd kiln
Cause rn you have no spin blockers and it solves your problem
spinblocking is largely ineffective when the teams removal is defog
odd kiln
Alright, upgraded.
this team is far too passive only like 1/3 of the moves actually do damage lol
gritty anvil
Are there any relevant Reuniclus head fusions that don't have custom sprites yet? I'm guessing Reuniclus/Carbink might see use, anything else?
gritty anvil
Sweet, I'll do them
hexed umbra
There should be a spriting Team for competitively viable fusions that don't have sprites
obtuse shoal
There should be a spriting Team for competitively viable fusions that don't have...
Like what
actually tyranitar celebi
odd kiln
that was already coded
some things id like to see coded in no particular order
latias/diancie
slowbro/diancie
slowking/diancie
regirock/salamence
hydreigon/greninja
gardevoir/greninja
flygon/registeel ✅
flygon/doublade
vaporeon/zapdos
jirachi/torkoal
exeggutor/torkoal
rhydon/xatu
entei/rhyperior
entei/tangrowth
metagross/melop
hawlucha/salamence
jirachi/yanmega
latias/probopass
noivern/steelix
salamence/doublade
dodrio/melop (on my funny monoflying team)
dull plaza
Lurantis/Entei’s already been sprited
And Salamence/Doublade sprite was changed to Honedge since it was singular weapon
odd kiln
oh
radiant rivet
lurantis entei looks so fluffy
hexed umbra
Pidgeot/Steelix???
odd kiln
its a mon i ran in the ou+ tour that tested darkrai/aegislash/shuckle/alakazam
i think its fatter than rhyperior/gliscor but without the ph
gaunt viper
where is #verify
gaunt viper
can't access to that
hexed umbra
its a mon i ran in the ou+ tour that tested darkrai/aegislash/shuckle/alakazam
Noivern/Steelix has better bulk and still has U-Turn
odd kiln
didnt realize at the time
hexed umbra
Pidgeot having a competitively viable fusion didn't seem right 
patent yoke
Please tell me it's Pidgeot/Aggron
hexed umbra
It is/was Pidgeot/Steelix, but it's just a slightly worse Noivern/Steelix
ember nova
Gunna use the team I beat the Champion with in one of my playthroughs.
It may be bad.
So I'm using an alt.
Yes, this is the exact team:
solar coral
me when luc is asian
radiant rivet
Gunna use the team I beat the Champion with in one of my playthroughs.
you were using Stealth rocks in story mode?
brave skiff
anybody up for a Misty level friendly match on pokeathlon?
ember nova
you were using Stealth rocks in story mode?
No.
I don't remember their moves or abilities, so I just chose the best options I had.
brave skiff
@ember nova if you were playiing one of the newer versions of the IF game and you still have the save you can literaly load it up, walk into almost any pokemon center, go upfloor and port your team to pokeathlon
radiant rivet
What is holding Magnezone back?
it should be great with magnepull and its high SpA, yet its far from a metagame staple
brave skiff
i'd say the broblem is threefold - A. many staple pockemon are not weak to it's stabs B. - bulkymon are stronnger than sweepers in most metas and. C - Tyranitar exists annd it has been the strongest pkmn in every meta since it was born
radiant rivet
i'd say the broblem is threefold - A. many staple pockemon are not weak to it's ...
I mean jiragrowth should be a very valuable target to trap alongside fusions regitu and Regitres no?
I do wonder what you mean by bulkymons being stronger than sweepers in most metas, since when was Magnezone a sweeper?
brave skiff
that i do not know
as for that ... sorry i just woke up and am sick ... although while his defence is hiigh enough to survive non super effective physical moves, hiis hp and spdef are not so high and his fave stat is spatak ... so yeah, he's not fast, but he's a sweeper
magnezone and Chandelure have the same problem ... they should be good on paper and damn are they cool, but there's just way too many ways to wreck them
dull plaza
Actually Chandelure’s high SpA is enough for it to be OU here
brave skiff
oh, right, we'r in pokeathlon chat xd
dull plaza
Mag is UU here
brave skiff
well in terms of fused pokemen i'd say magnezones problem is that while he has 2 100+ stats, one is a head stat and the other is a body stat so he never gets use both of thhem to their full extent
odd kiln
id say the thing with magnezone is that its whole role is trapping steels but when you have so much customizability you can just make the mon you want hit steels
obtuse shoal
I think scyther is interesting with tyranitar
Tar gets uturn and eviolite and roost, scyther gets out of bug and big defense boost
lost galleon
Also, you can practically always get a switch move on your steels if you want it
Thus invalidating magnet pull
radiant rivet
that I do not understand you still force them to take super effektive dmg first before they can Uturn out, since mag runs scarf usely
usually
and with fusions it could get strong attacks like typhlosions eruption
the fact that in a metagame with so many strong steels, magnezone is UU and rarely seen is something I do not comprehend
obtuse shoal
the fact that in a metagame with so many strong steels, magnezone is UU and rare...
Some steels beat magnezone directly, other steels just switch out
Hmm, what if I run both magnet pull and pursuit toxitar...
cursive tiger
Are there any suitable water type bodies I could fuse with a Kommo-o?
hexed umbra
What for? Defensive, offensive, Dragon or fighting?
odd kiln
no kommo fusions are viable 
its probably not even viable in ru lol goodra outclasses it
along with all the fightings
cursive tiger
What for? Defensive, offensive, Dragon or fighting?
I'm planning a Clangorous Soulblaze setup sweeper, Kommo-o passing on its Dragon type
opaque inlet
Kommo-o doesn’t get Clangrous soulblaze in IF dex
if you’re running it in nat dex then maybe barraskewda but tbh you would rather use haxorus instead of kommo-o anyways
obtuse shoal
along with all the fightings
Why is fighting so messed up
Lack of Mach punch on machamp?
odd kiln
all of them have bad spe or bad atk or both
a shitton of competition
and the fact that flying/ghost/fairy are all v good
obtuse shoal
all of them have bad spe or bad atk or both
And then there's lucario, who's only used for espeed shenanigans
brave skiff
out of curiosity ... while i know Ampharos/Krookadile is amazing in playthroughs ... how does it fare in competitve?
odd kiln
the fusion of the two or them separately
brave skiff
their fusion
odd kiln
both of them are pretty solid uu mons
obtuse shoal
out of curiosity ... while i know Ampharos/Krookadile is amazing in playthroughs...
While I do see krookodile occasionally on unusual formats, it's not that used, but it has intimidate parting shot
Meanwhile Amphy has tail glow
odd kiln
in uu it can be krook/skarm defensively or krook/weavile offensively
both are quite nice
brave skiff
krook as head not body?
odd kiln
yeah
obtuse shoal
Btw thoughts on electric types?
They got 1 patchable weakness and a bunch of resistances, yet the only use I see is alakazam electrode for the no recoil mind blown
hexed umbra
Most of them are fairly mediocre, not terrible just mid. Raikou is probably the best overall
obtuse shoal
What about zapdos
It's bulky, immune to ground and can roost
What I find interesting here is the defensive profile
Actually it only resists... Electric flying and steel
Of which barely anyone uses flying moves, and electric is barely used, and steel is barely used for offense...
brave skiff
ain't electric used as a coverage more than a pokemon typing?
obtuse shoal
Yep
I guess it may have merits as a neutral type, for when you want key resistances
Like gliscor being electric flying. It doesn't have the double weakness anymore
odd kiln
but now it has sr weakness
brave skiff
actualy ... i wanna know how my 3 playthrough mons are seen in your eyes when it comes to competitive guys xd .... there 3 cursed mons i had to make for my current randomised run are:
-Blissnitar
-Hydreslash
-Wigglynoir
obtuse shoal
My klingklang shedinja slays
obtuse shoal
actualy ... i wanna know how my 3 playthrough mons are seen in your eyes when it...
Blissey is great, but its great with everything. Personally I also like Blissey cofagrogus, but that's more for doubles
The other 2, I don't see it that much
I guess hydreslash have roost, so that's pretty good
odd kiln
another esoteric tier list
klinklang doesnt even show up 
gritty anvil
Would anyone like to be tagged in a spritework post for a potentially competitively relevant fusion? It would also be nice to have an updateable list of the competitively used fusions that don't have sprites
hexed umbra
That would probably be better suited for a project in #1110678444896964628 (also maybe, but I mostly do the Duosion line)
odd kiln
Would anyone like to be tagged in a spritework post for a potentially competitiv...
replying to this
vernal python
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topaz hinge
Does anyone know why showdown is stuck on loading client?
fast elm
we have a lot of pokemon in the server so it may take a while to load, it should finish if you just leave the tab open for a few minutes
radiant rivet
are any events (tours, suspect test etc) plannend in the near future?
odd kiln
currently a team tour in pokeathlon is going on
might release a tiering survey to see if anyone wants anything suspect tested
odd kiln
obtuse shoal
I feel like rn if dex ou is pretty balanced
odd kiln
theyre bad
gaunt viper
bibarel fusion with simple is bad?
odd kiln
the stats dont let simple work well enough
odd kiln
has flying as head allowing it to be fuseable with stuff like steelix or registeel
gaunt viper
yeah why would be that bad
gaunt viper
hmm and noivern + porygon z + boomburst adaptability is bad?
odd kiln
boomburst is banned
gaunt viper
oh ok
now I understand
mons that doesnt appear in the tier its bc they are just unusable?
odd kiln
theyre just unranked
f tier is specifically "ppl try to use it but dont use these" and the rest are just mid
radiant rivet
I would argue that hydreigon is better than salamence
odd kiln
they have pretty different roles so its hard to compare the two
generally though hydreigon is less splashable than mence
radiant rivet
How is mence more splashable?
Hydregion access to Uturn roost and levitate give it incredible amounts of longevity not to mention that it has good fusion as a head and as a body as well.
Salamences Intimidate is amazing but lacking pivot is a notable weakness
Moxie should be great, but the Aegisslash line, and the unaware trio kind of ruin most set up sweepers
odd kiln
hydreigons typing doesnt help it get good bulk very well
the best pivot there is with hydreigon is registeel and its kinda WORST MON ON TEAM
mence doublade on the other hand p much shuts down any physical mon
radiant rivet
Have you tried slowdreigon?
odd kiln
no but the fairy weakness isnt very inspiring to me
radiant rivet
it can use the Av pretty well, and while yes it does have a fairy weakness : water dragon with regen and pivot is still a good combo
what do you mean by regidragon being worst mon on the team
odd kiln
passive fatmon
odd kiln
i see theyre unbanned
obtuse shoal
mence doublade on the other hand p much shuts down any physical mon
Moveset?
Intimidate roost wisp spectral thief...
Dragon tail?
obtuse shoal
it doesnt get wisp
Ah...
Rn I'm loving using moltres so...
But of course, any physical Mon worth using doesn't care about moltres
As they have burn protection
Still I'd imagine the list would be really hard to rank
As there's so many variables
odd kiln
it was too bad
its just based on how effective fusions are with the mons theyre made of
gritty anvil
(replace carbink with diancie)
wait is diancie just carbink but better?
odd kiln
yes
gritty anvil
so the effort to get carbink into the winners vote only mattered for a couple of months?
odd kiln
carbink is still great in uu
obtuse shoal
So what is diancie good for
It's good ok bulk and ok attack, and no recovery
Would it be good with goodra?
radiant rivet
Would it be good with goodra?
nope since goodra has the same issue as diancie in lacking recovery
obtuse shoal
hydration rest not good?
radiant rivet
yes Rain hydration exist, but that is inconsistent and more importantly tge fusion is just to passive
it hits decent but not wallbreakingly hard
not to mention your stabs get walled by steels
obtuse shoal
yeah
what would you recommend with diancie?
honestly it's hard to argue because clef is just the best fairy type
radiant rivet
probably slowking
fat fairy water with regen scald, Heal bell Dragontail and rocks
or slack off
lucid root
good competive Golisopod fusion??????????????????????????????????????????
opaque inlet
Gliscor/Golisopod
radiant rivet
toxapex/golisopod = pexpod
brave skiff
anybody with a team around level 25 and willing to have a fun non-competitive playthrough team duel?
frigid vale
anybody with a team around level 25 and willing to have a fun non-competitive pl...
I mean I have a team but it is a randomized playthrough
So I got like groudon fusion and lati fusion
Its a bit much
left frost
lol felt
dire goblet
It's been a bit since I've been on here, how hearty is the doubles ou playerbase rn?
odd kiln
not
odd kiln
its unfortunate i do think the doubles meta is kinda interesting
odd kiln
fwiw theres a if doubles roomtour every wednesday
dire goblet
I should check that out
odd kiln
any suggestions?
bruxish/mimikyu/hitmontop/sableye/whimsicott are great support
sandslash/pz noivern/other standard singles stuff probably are good attackers
oh right tr is kinda broke
dire goblet
I love noivern
so much
one of my favorite mons
is there any good way to use aurorus? That's also a mon I like a lot
odd kiln
in singles it facilitates hail stall/semistall but idt its good in doubles
brave skiff
@frigid vale my team is from a randomized run as well, only +/-3 in terms of bst, but i don't mind as long as llevels are similiar enough 😉
snow cairn
is there any good way to use aurorus? That's also a mon I like a lot
Ice type fake out comes to mind
I think aurorus has refrigerate in if
dire goblet
yes it does
snow cairn
Ye
dire goblet
this is an intriguing proposition
snow cairn
I’m a doubles player
dire goblet
whats the doubles meta like
dire goblet
fair
I decided to do something a little stupid just to play with my friends and make a team out of mons with (unfused) bst of less than 400
its interesting how good vulpix is here
snow cairn
Like a baby cup?
dire goblet
basically, yeah
snow cairn
Are your friends also using the lower than 400 bst mons?
dire goblet
well I haven't convinced them to actually play yet...
dire goblet
why not throw together a team then
damn
so far I have gloopix, pawnbell, and phantlax
snow cairn
why not throw together a team then
On the train rn
snow cairn
so far I have gloopix, pawnbell, and phantlax
Aaaah
dire goblet
so basically drought, chlorophyll, and harvest sitrus belly drum
snow cairn
Pretty good ngl
Since weather is permanent weather setters are kinda valuable
Unless only one person is running a weather team
snow cairn
Ye
dire goblet
what else do you think I should put on here?
maybe something good thats weak to water
ground?
could use a ground type
and i think krokorok is legal and has intimidate
yep
snow cairn
It is legal
dire goblet
this is gonna be fun
snow cairn
Ye
dire goblet
what would be a good partner
snow cairn
And whilst I make a little cup team you make a ou team
snow cairn
what would be a good partner
Idk
snow cairn
Aight
radiant rivet
Little cup IF tierlist?
obtuse shoal
Little cup IF tierlist?
Duraludon wins
radiant rivet
Sir, this is a childrens playground.
obtuse shoal
Sir, this is a childrens playground.
oh wait, you said if
scyther wins
I've been thinking. Pursuit trapping a ghost type does wonders, but if the ghost type is bulky enough, like cofagrigus, it can wisp the pursuiter
opaque inlet
scyther wins
Scyther is NOT a little cup mon💀
obtuse shoal
Scyther is NOT a little cup mon💀
Scyther in little cup be like
radiant rivet
I've been thinking. Pursuit trapping a ghost type does wonders, but if the ghost...
you are correct about that assumption, howver normally ghost have struggled with longevity.
Not to mention just because you survive a 40bp pursuit doesnt mean you will live the 80bp crunch
warm flint
when do we get new custom sprites?
hexed umbra
At the start of every month
warm flint
At the start of every month
nice
brave skiff
aight, with Surge beaten a new playthrough team has been saved (lv26) ... who wants to face it on pokeathlon?
odd kiln
no
odd kiln
funko pop
radiant rivet
when fighting an unaware mon with an unaware mon, does boosting ones stats make any difference?
or lowering ones for that matter
cedar mortar
To my knowledge it shouldn’t
lost galleon
I think lowering your own stats would still make a difference? I could be wrong though.
radiant rivet
the opponets should ignore your drops tho
its why spamming draco against unaware is so effective
(unless its clef)
obtuse shoal
its why spamming draco against unaware is so effective
interesting
radiant rivet
No spamming these High Bp moves isnt a good way to get past an unaware wall
sullen ore
#1311117307635826759 had one of these buried in my abandoned wips sections so why not
odd kiln
sick
unborn pine
Little cup IF tierlist?
meowth seems broken
unborn pine
its why spamming draco against unaware is so effective
they can just switch tho and draco has little pp
unless they cant take special hits at all its probably not the best play
unborn pine
some things id like to see coded in no particular order
latias/diancie
slowbro/d...
i could maybe make a new salablade
doublade bodies arent very fun to sprite do
also i thought noivenr steelix had a sprite
radiant rivet
I was todays days old when i noticed jynx has access to QD
radiant rivet
I have a challenge : take flints e4 team consisting of :
Rapidash
Infernape
Steelix
Driftblim
and
Lopunny.
Now make it a decent monotype fire team.
If you are wondering what to use for the 6th slot : Flint in platinum has new additions in Flareon, Magmortar and Houndoom so any of these 3 will do
hexed umbra
Do you mean a competitive team? That's gonna be difficult with mono-fire (unless also fighting monotype) and with the given pokemon
left frost
it's funny bc flint's team isnt even mono fire.
radiant rivet
As a matter of fact I do mean a competiv monotype fire team.
And yes the reason for is because flint the e4 fire specialist in sinnoh has orignaly more non fire pkmn than fire pkmn.
hexed umbra
The issue is mono-fire means every mon is weak or neutral to rocks, and the current fire types aren't even that good sun abusers. Steelix and Drifblim are viable but not fused with any fire types... Rapidash and Lopunny less so
vital sand
Is there any good fusion for tyranitar with sand stream?
odd kiln
celebi, scyther and hydreigon to lesser extents
brave skiff
anybody wiith a playthrough team level 30-40 wants to have a friendly match on pokeatlon?
unborn pine
celebi, scyther and hydreigon to lesser extents
what about celebi, scyther and hydreigon?
odd kiln
fusions with ttar
tired dove
Has anyone ever thought of or like done a Infinite fusion pokemon draft before?
Like I think it would be a really cool and fun thing to do where you draft the mons to fuse
cedar mortar
iirc that was a thing around February last year in the pokeathelon discord (don’t quote me on that I don’t remember if that was here or there )
hexed umbra
I was part of that draft, there was only 1 round before it was cancelled and because of that I have a 100% win rate, thus making me the greatest IF player to ever live
radiant rivet
did you pick fusions or mons you could fuse however you wanted
hexed umbra
We picked regular pokemon, and then fused pokemon. There was a draft after that one, that specified heads or bodies but I wasn't in it
tired dove
I was part of that draft, there was only 1 round before it was cancelled ~~and b...
Yeah I saw that and was sad cuz this looks so fun
I made one with my draft server I run rn and we doing a mock draft tonight with one match to test
but so far just planning draft and also i did one match vs someone was really fun
odd kiln
in pokathlon i see constant draft posts in the advertisement channel
tired dove
Oh cool I already just made the doc myself and everything but at least i can go check other peoples tierin now
empty wraith
Would leftovers work on swampert?
obtuse shoal
Would leftovers work on swampert?
well, yes, but swampert doesn't really bring anything new here
since you can now make ground water with about everything, there's just better grounds and waters
mons like donphan can rapid spin, sandslash can thousand arrows and sand rush, and gliscor can poison heal
meanwhile for waters you have toxapex for bulk, golisopod for physical damage and feraligatr for aqua jet
obtuse shoal
thoughts on cofagrigus?
radiant rivet
has a good fusion with umbreon and thats it
empty wraith
well, yes, but swampert doesn't really bring anything new here
I was talking outside IF
obtuse shoal
I was talking outside IF
ah, then yes, as it doesn't have much healing by itself
empty wraith
Alrighty!
unborn pine
celebi, scyther and hydreigon to lesser extents
Oh I guess Ttar/Scyther is just strictly better Ttar/Gligar
unless you want slow uturns but its not slow enough for that
sadge
obtuse shoal
Oh I guess Ttar/Scyther is just strictly better Ttar/Gligar
there's also articuno
it's a bulky flying type
radiant rivet
pretty sure evolite scyther is bulkier than articuno
odd kiln
it is
radiant rivet
fun fact : with max investment, a speed boosting nature and an agility boost, the fusion of pupitar and pidgey is a whopping 2 points faster then jolly scarfed melo entei
steel quest
what pokealhon format lets u use all the pokemon? even thei illegal ones?
radiant rivet
Anything goes?
Nat dex AG
radiant rivet
Correct me if I am wrong, but is 10.464 the highest speedstatt possible in IF Dex Ou?
correction it should be 10.848
(Note you only need a speedstat of 1809 to break Trickroom)
Meanwhile Nat dex AG allows for a maximum speedstat of 13.152
snow cairn
Meanwhile Nat dex AG allows for a maximum speedstat of 13.152
Nat dex ag prob wants a regieleki and unburden/scarf mon
Idk
radiant rivet
skillswapping an eleki a weather boosting ability, having at plus 6 , have tailwind active and having it equip a scarf should give it a speed stat of 13.152
tiny wadi
Where do u play if dex showdown?
radiant rivet
Where do u play if dex showdown?
radiant rivet
i do not
unborn pine
skillswapping an eleki a weather boosting ability, having at plus 6 , have tail...
Isn't that the same as in non fusions
As fusion eleki with anything will slow it down
snow cairn
skillswapping an eleki a weather boosting ability, having at plus 6 , have tail...
And e ball still has 150 base power I believe
snow cairn
Your one is clearly superior then (if you did the setup Ofc)
weary burrow
Question:
Does stance change transfer the eviolite boost into attack as well
odd kiln
no
compact vine
do you guys play fusion showdown on pokeathlon?
radiant rivet
yes
manic crystal
yall should add IF custom games for doubles
lone ivy
Why do i kept on coming across someone with a team full of freaking tank 🦀
obtuse shoal
Why do i kept on coming across someone with a team full of freaking tank 🦀
I feel like we're at a point where the meta has solidified a bit
So just some random fusions don't work anymore
Rn you have to go full power if you want to break those teams
Nidoking/gengar or togekiss
Ursaring Dragonite for guts
Gliscor
Alakazam electrode for mind blown
And hydreigon yanmega with tinted lens
Most common thing here is that it must be able to handle burn
I even saw a natural cure meloetta just for that
dusty kiln
is there an official banlist
odd kiln
/tier ifdexou
dusty kiln
also are all legendaries banned?
cedar mortar
Nah just the ones that would be too meta defining
The bird and beast trio for example are all unbanned as well as necrosma base form
Same for the regi trio
unborn pine
Why does it say this
the battle is already over
maiden solar
Hey, is weather permanent in Infinite Fusion? I tested out a weather team on Showdown the other day and I was surprised because Sandstorm never subsided.
radiant rivet
yes it is
fast elm
Why does it say this
the battle is already over
did you lose elo from this?
maiden solar
yes it is
That's strange. Weather is temporary in Generation 7, and IF's battle mechanics are mostly based on that generation, right?
Anyway, thanks for letting me know!
radiant rivet
That's strange. Weather is temporary in Generation 7, and IF's battle mechanics ...
another weird quirk : dark types do not block prankster moves, so Umbreon can get encored by whimsicott
abilities of a few mons have also changed : flygon got dryskik and milotic lost competetiv.
Moveset of many mons have been changed as well :
The legendary beast now lack espeed, Celebi and mew got QD, Muk as well as Jirachi now learn recover, and I am certainly missing something
oh yeah Chomp can now DD
maiden solar
oh yeah Chomp can now DD
Yeah, because Garchomp desperately needed a buff. 🤣
unborn pine
did you lose elo from this?
don't think so
well, I forgot about it and the battle disconnected
the room no longer available thing
inner girder
That's strange. Weather is temporary in Generation 7, and IF's battle mechanics ...
its because of a factor of things
mainly, the battle system that the game uses is Gen 5
the learnsets are gen 7, but the egg moves is gen 5, save for if the pokemon came after, then its based on gen 7
In addition, it seems that Milotic lost competitive because its using its Gen 5 stats
which is true across the other mons too
maiden solar
mainly, the battle system that the game uses is Gen 5
Thank you! I didn't know that.
inner girder
yee, thats due to when the game first came out, it was using gen 5 stuff
it wasn't until the dev added mons from gens 6-7 that they updated learnsets to gen 7
there was also a time where regular mons would use gen 5 learnsets, but fusions used gen 7
so you could manipulate mons to have some moves early, or just have straight up impossible moves on your mons (Charmeleon with dragon rage )
radiant rivet
Yeah, because Garchomp desperately needed a buff. 🤣
the funny thing about it is that chomp is kinda mid tbh
hexed umbra
yee, thats due to when the game first came out, it was using gen 5 stuff
Before 6.0, the generational mechanics were all over the place. Future Sight was typeless for instance (changed in gen4)
odd kiln
praying for gen 6/7 mechanics update so we can have limited weather
radiant rivet
we used to have that no?
like when the simulater first released, before boomburst was even bannend
odd kiln
that was before the gen 5 mechanics were pointed out
so it was an oversight that was fixed
vapid finch
Does showdown not have a 4 player 2v2 mode for Fusion?
odd kiln
they do not
sinful dome
radiant rivet
prolly if dex ou
radiant rivet
gen 7
dire owl
radiant rivet
and select any IF format
obtuse shoal
https://replay.pokeathlon.com/#replay=illusion911-omniterror6-1734442691366
Omniterror had such a good team
obtuse shoal
I wonder, are there any sprites for natdex mons?
obtuse shoal
https://replay.pokeathlon.com/#replay=illusion911-omniterror6-1734442691366
Omni...
my ursanite keeps getting walled by regitres, which is kinda crazy
radiant rivet
https://replay.pokeathlon.com/#replay=illusion911-omniterror6-1734442691366
Omni...
what is that donphan on your site?
why hydreigon donphan?
obtuse shoal
why hydreigon donphan?
it has roost
obtuse shoal
I wanted a strong knock off for discouraging spin blocking
obtuse shoal
and dont gain enough power
while it's not a good mon, I think the issue was more that I didn't have anything to counter steel flying
radiant rivet
certainly didnt help
also sacking your pextar for jack
why would you sent in your poison type against a ground type?
and then use pursuit?
obtuse shoal
and then use pursuit?
I wanted to guarantee the kill, and honestly it kinda did
pursuit brought it low enough to be killed by rocks when I roared
if I attacked and it switched instead it could have done a lot of damage if it took the field
radiant rivet
you lost pextar for 7 % on nido...
how is that a good trade
pextar would have dealt with jolteon
obtuse shoal
I didn't lose pextar, I could have regened later
radiant rivet
you did lose it
obtuse shoal
but the issue wasn't really jolteon, it was regitres
I couldn't use pextar and risk it getting burned by flame body
radiant rivet
No jolteon forcing your regitress was importanz
obtuse shoal
my regitres couldn't have done anything to his, other than phase it out
radiant rivet
thats still valueable
obtuse shoal
once both ursanite and nidoking were down, I couldn't do anything more
perhaps a bigger mistake was not pursuing pyuku when I could
radiant rivet
i dont think that would have done much