showdown-general

[obtuse shoal]

But how it works makes sense, sort of

You get your defense up enough, and then you quiver dance

It's a bit like curselax or bulk up gallade

It's also a special attacker and it's got sheer force

So no burn will make it able to lower the damage

[mossy violet]

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[cloud orbit]

[hexed umbra]

It turns out that completely ignoring the purpose of a channel and spamming isn't good for it, the more you know

[outer badge]

I was just about to ask where that channel was lol, was looking to see some replays

[obtuse shoal]

just check replays normally

https://replay.pokeathlon.com/#replay

[outer badge]

Didnt even know this existed, Ty!

[obtuse shoal]

oh today is nat dex ou

[radiant rivet]

are there anymore V-create suspect tournaments planned?

[radiant rivet]

without the suspects tournaments, only 4 people qualified to vote? I do not know what this says

[obtuse shoal]

how do I get the showdown ping role?

[obtuse shoal]

So, so far I've noticed gliscor is weird

It's not like Dragonite, that it's only used with ursaring

It just doesn't have a specific Mon to be fused with

I've seen sandslash, regirock, snorcor, umbreon

Rhyperior

Even toxapex some times

Not saying that's bad. I'm just surprised we as a community haven't really decided on the best fusion for one of the best mons in the game

[odd kiln]

sandslash is bad regirock is mid snorcor is good umbreon is mid rhyperior is p good

gliscor is the kind of fusion material that can go with more than one thing bc of what it provides

as opposed to dragonite who just gives espeed + atk

[obtuse shoal]

Is Rhyperior the best one?

[odd kiln]

its ok its just gliscor 2

[obtuse shoal]

It's also that to stop sweeping, burn is really popular

Gliscor is just immune or resistant to most things, so it's just one of the best mons in the format

[cedar mortar]

combos have been discovered that power crept snorcor out from what I understand, still seems good though imo. Poison heal and a decent stat block and typing with a good move pool

[obtuse shoal]

What kind of combos?

[cedar mortar]

Not by gliscor combos per se, just counter play has been found to get around it from my understanding

[obtuse shoal]

Like what

[cedar mortar]

Are you adamant on just straight using gliscor?

[obtuse shoal]

No I'm just kinda new to the meta so I don't really know what bigger monsters made snorcor less viable

But gliscor is often one of my biggest obstacles

[cedar mortar]

Oh to go against?

[obtuse shoal]

Yep

[cedar mortar]

Sheer force breaks it p easy imo. What do you use for wall breakers?

[obtuse shoal]

I like nidoking with gengar

[cedar mortar]

What moveset do you use on it? Having bolt beam and stab should be enough

[obtuse shoal]

Shadow ball earth power and ice beam for the most part

Some times t bolt
Some times nasty plot

Its pretty frail though, and if I can't ko gliscor a knock off can do some serious damage

[cedar mortar]

If you’re worried about frailty maybe try togekiss/nidoqueen or nidoking. It’s a good bit bulkier and threatens most other nidoking combos with a ko of its own that don’t have help and should take on snorcor. Stealth rock is good in general too so if you don’t have a sr setter maybe look into trying one of those out

[obtuse shoal]

Alright I think I will.

Funny how the strongest and fastest special ground type has like 85 special attack and 80 speed

[cedar mortar]

Tbf if we take straight stats into account it just outclasses the other 2 choices lol

Faster so it gets its job done easier without needed setup and it isn’t too frail so it’s easier to set up

[obtuse shoal]

And the other option is like palossand

It has a lot going for it though. A good healing move and all

[cedar mortar]

I like using the nidos as sheer force beat sticks personally

[hexed umbra]

Has anyone tried out Articuno/Nidoking as an alternate sheer force abuser to Togekiss/Nidoking? Its an ice type with neutrality to rocks and Ice/Ground with sheer force life orb boosted freeze dry seems pretty good.

[odd kiln]

the spa drop is significant though

[cedar mortar]

Only justification I could see to use arti over togekiss is using a hail setter but I don’t know enough about hail teams to comment on that

[odd kiln]

the justification is that freeze dry has less switchins

my issue though is that there arent big ground or water special walls so freeze dry isnt v necessary

[deft oasis]

I once made some dumbass Hail balance team that used Articuno/Nidoking and I was surprised at how good it was; honestly I contemplated swapping Articuno for Glaceon or Jynx multiple times but Freeze Dry was surprisingly valuable against some of those hard-to-hit Water/Grass, Water/Dragon, Water/Flying, and Water/Ground types that are here and there

but yes, as was mentioned the SpA drop is pretty big

[odd kiln]

my updated tier list

[patent yoke]

Is there any list of Pokemons in OU or Ubers?

Idk if there's any tiers below OU besides UU (if that even exists)

[odd kiln]

uu exists

you can look at the list of ou mons in the teambuilder

?tag showdown

[frosty yarrow]

Infinite Fusions Showdown Server : https://play.pokeathlon.com/

[radiant rivet]

why is delphox in D? I havent seen a singular successfull fusion with it, unlike the rest of the D-tier.
Is there a good Delphox fusion I dont know about.

[odd kiln]

someones using delphox nidoking

[radiant rivet]

Oh ok thank you.

Do we have Usage stats?

[odd kiln]

we do not

[radiant rivet]

Sad

[odd kiln]

ag tier list if anyones interested

[radiant rivet]

What does stunfisk do, again?

[odd kiln]

most specially defensive ground

pairs p well with pex

[radiant rivet]

why would anyone wanna use pinsir?

[odd kiln]

mold breaker + sr

[radiant rivet]

that makes sense

Whats the best weather now that Vc is gone?

[odd kiln]

rain/sand

[radiant rivet]

Is there anything plannend after the week is over?

[odd kiln]

might move on to genesect unban suspect bc that was the next highest voted thing

[radiant rivet]

sounds fun, although is suspect Gensect to be kind of mid

[odd kiln]

it seems like a nice scarfer

this tier list would kill a victorian child

[radiant rivet]

what format is this list for?

[odd kiln]

guess

[radiant rivet]

RU?

[odd kiln]

torkoal in ru

[radiant rivet]

Didnt see that one

honestly any meta game where wartortle is viable sounds insane

is it big boss?

[odd kiln]

yeah

[radiant rivet]

how is wartortle so high up?

[odd kiln]

spinner

[radiant rivet]

doesnt dhelmise exist?

[odd kiln]

water type better defensively

[radiant rivet]

without Vc, who is better for entei : Jirachi or Melo P?

[odd kiln]

melop for power

jirachi to be annoying

[hexed umbra]

You ranked Pinsir? I dont think I've ever seen one

[patent yoke]

Holy shit Chansey and Ditto in S

So surprised Slaking is only a B

I'm gonna guess it's a movepool issue

[obtuse shoal]

Big boss

[obtuse shoal]

I think you can tell the kind of player that uses this list.

Someone more stally like modrift wouldn't agree with this at all

Like why is salamence so high up

And forretress is pretty low.

[crimson nebula]

Tbh, I have no idea what I'm doing, but I just play for fun.

[obtuse shoal]

that is fine
This showdown is also pretty niche so almost no one knows 100% what they're doing

[silk marlin]

Is there a fixed meta or it's just "Pokemon in OU is good cuz it abuse a mon from RU as body or head'

[obtuse shoal]

depends on what you want as a meta

although Idk what you mean by fixed meta

[silk marlin]

like there's already a defined list of 'best fusions to use'

[obtuse shoal]

But there is ursanite, who's only good because it abuses ursaring's guts

[silk marlin]

Ik there's techically infinite fusions but just asking just to be sure

[obtuse shoal]

and dragonite's espeed

[silk marlin]

I think ima just pay for fun and not think much about it

I'm abusing Talonflame/Tyrantrum

[obtuse shoal]

There isn't a fixed meta
Last tournament someone came in with a mew steelix and won

[silk marlin]

Got it

[obtuse shoal]

ground psychic

but it swept everyone

[obtuse shoal]

fire rock?

[silk marlin]

Yep

This is gonna be funny

Wait no, it's Fire Dragon oops

Prob should do the other way around so it get stab from head smash and brave

[obtuse shoal]

seems like it has no recovery

If some pex comes in they can chip it down or smth

still, it is a pretty good pokemon

[silk marlin]

It meant to be like that yeah

I guess I could slap leftover on it

[obtuse shoal]

it's immune to burn so it's a good physical

and only 1 time weak to rocks

[silk marlin]

I wonder if I should use the other vers of Rock/Flying

cuz it get STAB from 2 moves as oppose to 1

Damn I can't abuse Huge Power... It make sense ig

[deft oasis]

Mence is very versatile: its good offensive stats and speed along with Moxie (to snowball)/Intim (for setup opportunities) makes it a viable choice in offensive teams, while its access to Hazard Control (Defog), Phazing (DTail/Roar), and Recovery (Roost) as well as Intimidate makes it a solid option for defensive teams too

[obtuse shoal]

thing is, I very rarely see a good salamence

It's typing isn't that good offensively

So the best ones I've seen were like salamence umbreon or salamence doublade

[deft oasis]

you're right in that it's probably more viable defensively in this case

[obtuse shoal]

normally I just burn it and that's the end of it

[deft oasis]

it would be a bit more viable offensively if it wasn't for the dozens of super bulky Unaware, Regen, and Eviolite users that are everywhere; as it stands Haxorus is probably a better choice as Dragon due to Mold Breaker, and Nite for ESpeed shenanigans

that being said, I do think it deserves a fairly high spot due to its versatility

[obtuse shoal]

My experience puts salamence in the same tier as scizor tbh

actually scizor is better

roost, strong uturn, first impression or bullet punch for surprise priority

[deft oasis]

if we're purely looking at offensive viability then I do agree that Scizor is better

[obtuse shoal]

I guess the best salamence can do is come in, intimidate, maybe a burn and then dragon tail, and roost

it's not bad, but it's not like jirachi

[deft oasis]

Mence's Dragon typing was pretty important in dealing with all those powerful physical weather attackers too, although it's probably a bit less valuable now that V-Create has been axed

[obtuse shoal]

I guess it's also a bit unexplored on my part

[silk marlin]

https://pokepast.es/343770f2dbde0faa
Any help for the last mon, trying to make a Sand team

[obtuse shoal]

You could go roost on thorn

[silk marlin]

replacing what move

[obtuse shoal]

I'd say seed bomb

it's not doing anything to much

[deft oasis]

your Galv seems really confused in what it wants to do; if you want to use it as an attacker then drop webs (and probably change its fusion to something else, because its offenses are mediocre), if you want to use webs then slap a focus sash on it so it doesn't die immediately after webs are up

[silk marlin]

Wait I forgot I had web pfft

I was going for a web setter first

and forgot to remove it

Web -> Bug Buzz

[silk marlin]

It was meant to be a special attacker

I forgot to remove web

thx u for reminding

anyway what about the last mon?

I should prob use a diff body considering my team is still hella weak to water

Changed to Zapdos/Galvantula

[obtuse shoal]

how about you do some test games and see that way

[silk marlin]

kk

[obtuse shoal]

so what did you think

[silk marlin]

Oh that was u sending the battle req?

[obtuse shoal]

yes

honestly that was pretty good

if I had missed that wisp I would've been in trouble

[silk marlin]

I got a bit greedy

It was good yeah

Your Jiratres walled my entire team after Talonflame Tyrantrum died

gotta work on that more

[obtuse shoal]

I don't think it proccd

but it had flame body as an ability

Any mon that does big damage here has to worry about burn. So on the physical side you have only guts users and gliscor

fire types could work, but they worry more about rocks

on the special side you don't have that issue

and it becomes a paper rock scissors game
You bring burn, so the other guy brings burn resistance
So you don't bring burn, but what if another different guy doesn't bring burn resistance

[silk marlin]

I also realized my team inherence weakness to rock

like 3/6 are weak to rock

[obtuse shoal]

that is a pretty bad number honestly

[silk marlin]

Yup

[obtuse shoal]

I'd say 2 can work

if you just go in and spam flaze blitz

[silk marlin]

I will remove Yanmega/Metagross honestly

[obtuse shoal]

try yanmega scizor

[silk marlin]

what item

[obtuse shoal]

you can make some powerful uturns with band

[silk marlin]

I alr have band on my talonflame tyrantrum

[obtuse shoal]

not a good idea

[silk marlin]

Hmm

[obtuse shoal]

not the right mon to have it choiced

[silk marlin]

WHat item then

Expert Belt

[obtuse shoal]

I'd say leftovers

[silk marlin]

alr have left on skarthorn

ig ima just use expert belt

[silk marlin]

also for yanmega scizor

Tinted Lense?

[obtuse shoal]

yes

[silk marlin]

what about the moves

[obtuse shoal]

uturn, first impression...

bullet punch maybe

[silk marlin]

Wait doesn't first impression contradict with band...?

[obtuse shoal]

no

it comes in, first impression, and goes out

it's really strong priority

[silk marlin]

last move

currently Bullet Punch U-Turn and FI

[obtuse shoal]

anything you want really

[silk marlin]

ima go with brick break

[obtuse shoal]

sure

[silk marlin]

cuz my team have a hard time breaking steel type

after talon tyran dies

[obtuse shoal]

remember, tinted lens uturn is really powerful

because now the resistance barely matters

however, don't try to use it against moltres

flame body will mess you up

[silk marlin]

Yeah

idk if having Tyranreon (Tyranitar/Umbreon) is worth it being a special wall and a phys attacker

[obtuse shoal]

oh yeah, that one's an interesting pokemon

If you get burned, it has heal bell

[silk marlin]

It's essentially normal Tyranitar but better stats

[obtuse shoal]

however, it has no recovery

[silk marlin]

Moonlight

[obtuse shoal]

I guess you can try wish passing, to scizor for example

[silk marlin]

but I'm using an a.vest variation

[obtuse shoal]

moonlight, during sand?

[silk marlin]

Oh

I keep forgetting 😭

[obtuse shoal]

umbreon is legit good. Add it on a steel

[silk marlin]

I think ima just remove the sandstorm aspect

There's just not many synergy

beside lycanchomp

[obtuse shoal]

yeah lycanrock and sandslash are the only sand rushes

and sandslash has thousand arrows

[silk marlin]

Making a new team

[obtuse shoal]

careful, you might be reinventing the wheel with new teams some times

[silk marlin]

It doesn't 😭

[obtuse shoal]

you have to fuse it with something else

like another sandslash

[silk marlin]

oh

Does fusing a mon with itself do anything

or it's just cosmetic

[obtuse shoal]

it doesn't do anything

except give you access to fusion moves

[silk marlin]

oh okay thx

https://pokepast.es/c424a423b798e163 @obtuse shoal what ur thoughts

A better look

[obtuse shoal]

ah life orb sandslash?

[silk marlin]

Yuh

[obtuse shoal]

not a good idea
it will die by its own recoil

life orb is good on mons that don't need to worry about the recoil too much

between moves like drain punch, magic guard, sheer force

[silk marlin]

What item do u suggest

[obtuse shoal]

assault vest

[silk marlin]

then I will have to use another item for Tyran/Gengar

[obtuse shoal]

also, doesn't king's shield with foul play do a bad result?

[silk marlin]

Hmm

[obtuse shoal]

you can have multiple mons with assault vest

[silk marlin]

You have a point

[silk marlin]

Oh

[obtuse shoal]

just as you can have multiple mons with eviolite

[silk marlin]

I'm so stucked with the whole 'only 1 item' restriction lol

[obtuse shoal]

also, parting shot on aegislash

[silk marlin]

Changing

Changing which move

[obtuse shoal]

foul play

[silk marlin]

kk

Woah it's working out

[obtuse shoal]

that's really nice to see

[silk marlin]

https://replay.pokeathlon.com/#replay=poketrenermelon-takathetorracat-1728826475522

Didn't get to use Yanscizor

[odd kiln]

slaking is hella outclassed by regigigas bc the latter has mold breaker to hit shed
meanwhile chansey/ditto has the highest hp imposter while being able to use eviolite

[obtuse shoal]

hmm... magic guard destiny bond

https://replay.pokeathlon.com/#replay=illusion911-llllllllllleaon-1728829438697
Alright some natdex gameplay

ferrothorn garganacl is a match made in heaven

[warm rapids]

just drop^ping it here cuz frog allowed me to :evilo:

[obtuse shoal]

monkey?

[warm rapids]

monkey

[obtuse shoal]

we've already got infernape here

[odd kiln]

darm or something

[obtuse shoal]

Actually that one's neat

A strong physical fire
Can't be burned

and it's physical sheer force

and decently fast too

[silk marlin]

This team is so fun to use

https://replay.pokeathlon.com/#replay=kurowlyz-takathetorracat-1728834655227

May make a rain team

Took long enough for a First Impression

https://replay.pokeathlon.com/#replay=lokiwildthing-takathetorracat-1728835057772

[obtuse shoal]

Honestly this looked pretty good

It feels to me like poor tyranitar is doing a bit too much

And I guess it's working

Yeah it's the water

[silk marlin]

He be tanking doe

like Sandstorm SpD boost for Rock is crazy

[obtuse shoal]

Yeah tyranitar is the best at that

But I feel like you don't have many switch ins to scald

[silk marlin]

Yup

Really only sacking the Galvantula or Scizor

or the Umbreon

[odd kiln]

thats why you use tyranitar celebi

[silk marlin]

I like Gengar cuz funny speed

[obtuse shoal]

Honestly it's a pretty tip.
I was thinking on jirachi tangrowth, but tyranitar has been working

[silk marlin]

I can try Celebi/Tyran

[obtuse shoal]

What moveset do you recommend

Quiver dance tyranitar let's go

[silk marlin]

Too bad there's not a good special rock move...

[odd kiln]

rock slide sr/seed bomb recover uturn

[silk marlin]

oh phys set

[obtuse shoal]

Yeah it's not a good idea to sweep with tar. He's your weather setter. You want him to be healthy

[silk marlin]

fair enough

[silk marlin]

Quiver Dance is really tempting doe

[obtuse shoal]

It's alright if he doesn't do much. He'll support and pivot

[silk marlin]

My Tyranitar/Gengar helps so much with coverage ngl but I'll see how Celebi/Tyranitar plays out

[obtuse shoal]

It's 4x weak to ground and that worries me a bit

[silk marlin]

I can pivot into my flying type

[obtuse shoal]

It dies to a stray earth power

It doesn't need to be a stab, just coverage

[odd kiln]

sandslash fused with itself is crazy
aegislash doesnt benefit at all with stance change either and id swap the two imo

[obtuse shoal]

And what happens if the other guy also has thousand arrows

[silk marlin]

Oh it doesn't?

[silk marlin]

I die

[odd kiln]

the only atk it has is foul play which uses the opps atk

[obtuse shoal]

Stance change is for attacks, you have no attacks

[silk marlin]

Oh

[obtuse shoal]

But it's not like umbreon has a better ability

[silk marlin]

Synhronize can be funny sometimes

Switching onto a will-o-wisp

but the thng will o wisp will be immune

sooo

[odd kiln]

not necessarily

i would say most wisp users arent fire in fact

[silk marlin]

What do you suggest for an umbreon fusion for my sand team

[odd kiln]

the other way around umbreon/aegislash is ok

specthief wishtect pshot ig

[obtuse shoal]

yeah specthief stops them setting up

[silk marlin]

Also sandslash fused with itself is kinda decent and like one of the two sand rush user

[obtuse shoal]

you will take damage from sandstorm though

[odd kiln]

its wholly outclassed by something like sandslash haxorus

[obtuse shoal]

btw @odd kiln , you seem to put salamence in high regard
What do you recommend using it with

[odd kiln]

doublade

steelix

regirock is funny in sand

[silk marlin]

What moveset

[obtuse shoal]

doublade seems to be the thing
wisp, specthief, roost

[odd kiln]

tarrows superpower poison jab/outrage sd

[silk marlin]

what is sd again

[obtuse shoal]

swords dance

[silk marlin]

kk

[silk marlin]

Wait what is superpower for

[obtuse shoal]

im guessing tangrowth jirachi

[silk marlin]

fair enough

but I have ways to deal with steel type so I'm guessing I'll go with poison jab and outrage

[silk marlin]

What moveset for Umbreon/Aegislash

or is it just normal umbreon stall set

[obtuse shoal]

specthief, wishtect and pshot

oh no, that would drop heal bell

[silk marlin]

Oh wait... Just realized the fusion make dark ghost instead of steel...

Eh... the chip damage from sandstorm will be annoying

[obtuse shoal]

nah, your team needs heal bell

oh this is tough

[odd kiln]

i disagree idt it needs heal bell

[obtuse shoal]

wait, I think tar can learn aromatherapy

[obtuse shoal]

his attackers are tyrantrum, sanddslash and scizor. All of them get crippled by burn

Maybe I'm putting too much thought into it

[odd kiln]

just dont get burned tbh

[obtuse shoal]

Yeah, only I am insane enough to bring in flame body moltres with a steel just to burn people

[silk marlin]

I can try Registeel and Umbreon?

[odd kiln]

if you want an umbreon without sand chip you can do like umbreon gliscor

[silk marlin]

kk

[obtuse shoal]

yeah that one's good

poison heal,
parting shot, roost and

I guess heal bell

and maybe toxic

[obtuse shoal]

the dark flying or dark ground?

[odd kiln]

flying

knock roost defog uturn or something

[odd kiln]

naw gets hardwalled by steels and ph

[silk marlin]

I think ima go u-turn on toxic

[obtuse shoal]

then you get both parting shot and uturn

and if you go aromatherapy, gliscor doesn't fit well

[silk marlin]

Case in point my team gets cooked the moment will-o-wisp enter the fray 😭

Idk if this good enough

[obtuse shoal]

You've been beating some people

You're not sweeping on tournaments yet, but this is fantastic progress

[silk marlin]

I wonder if Sun team is even good

[silk marlin]

BTW what do u think about my replays

The one where Gengar/Tyran did most of the work

[obtuse shoal]

It shows that you need a scald answer

[silk marlin]

Yup

[obtuse shoal]

still, amazing work

[silk marlin]

It did have a Scald Answer in Skarthorn (Skarmory/Ferrothorn)

but that was on the previous team

[obtuse shoal]

btw, did you know exeggutor ferrothorn keeps the grass steel typing and gives it softboiled?

[silk marlin]

god another rain user im scared

You ever feel dumb 😭

I forgot to remove a-vest on both of my mons

[obtuse shoal]

a lot of bad plays thee

You forgot scizor

you could have first impressioned that hitmontop

[silk marlin]

yeah ik

@odd kiln may I ask what item for sandslash/haxorus

[odd kiln]

leftovers

[obtuse shoal]

id say lefties

or lum

Ok @silk marlin , now it's my turn with him

[silk marlin]

Ok

[silk marlin]

wait wdym by dis

[obtuse shoal]

im fighting tat guy rn

[silk marlin]

Oh

glhf

[obtuse shoal]

you can see it

look in chat

[obtuse shoal]

https://replay.pokeathlon.com/#replay=illusion911-arantine-1728838549669

[silk marlin]

wanna battle after I built a new team

[obtuse shoal]

sure

btw, it doesn't mean your old team was bad

You're just trying to fit 10 moves in 2 slots

[silk marlin]

Yeah ik

[obtuse shoal]

Let's see, on your sand team
Weather setter
Wish passing
hazard control
heal bell
thousand arrows
Healing
scizor

[odd kiln]

https://www.smogon.com/articles/sandstorm-rages this is a good guide to building sand

[silk marlin]

Oh no im using a diff team

[obtuse shoal]

Also I'm talking over anaconja a lot. But he is the goat

[silk marlin]

anyway send me a challenge

Im done

[obtuse shoal]

Some times tournaments become trying to make anaconja not sweep everyone

[silk marlin]

Time to gamble

BRO

😭

ofc the 30% proc

[obtuse shoal]

leftovers?

not eviolite?

ggs

[silk marlin]

gg

[silk marlin]

Was testing

[obtuse shoal]

you didn't even use prankster

[silk marlin]

I did

Oh wait

I just realized 💀

[silk marlin]

Wait no I do have prankster

[obtuse shoal]

if you had prankster it wouldn't have worked on me, I'm a dark type

[silk marlin]

Why do u run 5 pokemon anyway? I'm curious

[obtuse shoal]

I didn't know what to put on the 6th

[obtuse shoal]

you serious? literally 1 hp

[silk marlin]

Yup 💀

ngl I should have clicked

Close Combat for ur ursaring

[silk marlin]

Wanna rematch

[obtuse shoal]

yeah, I just need something to do against your fire types

[silk marlin]

Forgot to tell

Im using my sand team lol

[obtuse shoal]

I hate this game

[silk marlin]

me when I forgot I don't have sand

WAIT I FORGOT HEAL BELL ALSO CURE THE USER 😭

@obtuse shoal gg

I can't win

😭

Ur Moltes/Jirachi stalled my team so badly

[obtuse shoal]

I mean, I was on the backfoot for a bit

your sandslash really put a dent in there

[silk marlin]

Yeah if I had set up sand before

[obtuse shoal]

btw there's a lot of pokemon that don't fear sand or burn and can do a lot of damage

like this nidoking togekiss, or alakazam electrode with mind blown with no drawbacks

[ember nova]

This team feels so evil to use.

[obtuse shoal]

rest hydration looks fun

[ember nova]

It is (for me).

[obtuse shoal]

breloom is not a replacement for gliscor though

[ember nova]

I know.

[obtuse shoal]

speaking of gliscor, flygon is not a bad idea, but poison heal is too good of an ability to cast aside

[ember nova]

True.

I could really revise this team a bit.

Brepex is really fecking good though.

Leech seed + infestation + baneful bunker is wild.

You can't do that with gliscor.

[deft oasis]

first time I've ever seen a Rain team without a single Water move lmao

[obtuse shoal]

I'd say it's really only useful for scald

[radiant rivet]

or hurricane

[silk marlin]

Dry Skin is somethin

[radiant rivet]

seems a bit of a waste to put it on gliscor no?

[obtuse shoal]

oh hey modrift. Taka is new here

[silk marlin]

yuh

[obtuse shoal]

Taka, meet modrift. He is much better than me

[silk marlin]

Toxapax Brelom is something

[radiant rivet]

so what does this team do against magic guard?

[obtuse shoal]

not just magic guard

gliscor with poison heal ends this team

[ember nova]

This might be better?

[ember nova]

Idk.

[radiant rivet]

swap that to a moltres and give it hurricane

although i guess your goal is to trap and chip oppontents down, right?

[obtuse shoal]

speaking of chip
in national dex I've been trying ferrothorn garganacl
leech seed with salt cure outstalls everything except magic guard

even gliscor has trouble handling it

[radiant rivet]

that sounds fun, but I dont really know the nat dex meta so I cant help you with that

[obtuse shoal]

wanna try it with me?

[radiant rivet]

It might be easy to regen stall

[obtuse shoal]

I also gave it spikes

[silk marlin]

@radiant rivet need ur opinion on dis sand team if u can

[obtuse shoal]

why lycanroc midnight on galvantula

[silk marlin]

Can't think of another pure rock that is bulky

although it's kinda mid

the typing

cuz wont be getting stab from thunder and volt switch

[radiant rivet]

that umbreon dragonite will do absolutly nothing

[silk marlin]

I've been struggling to find a good umbreon fusion that fits for sand

[radiant rivet]

I suggest give hax knock over superpower to hit its best check

[radiant rivet]

why umbreon`?

[silk marlin]

cuz heal bell + it's just bulky

[radiant rivet]

so you want a cleric

[silk marlin]

Yeah

cuz 3/6 of my team is phys sweeper

[radiant rivet]

celebi gets heal bell

you could use it over rockslide

[silk marlin]

alr have celebi/tyranitar but idk if there's a 'only one pokemon per fusion'

oh

U mean for tyran

[obtuse shoal]

yes

[radiant rivet]

ye

[obtuse shoal]

it's why I kept saying aromatherapy

[silk marlin]

I don't honestly know what to do for my last member if I remove Umbreon

prob a special attacker?

[radiant rivet]

you are missing a special attacker

[obtuse shoal]

nidoking togekiss

or alakazam electrode

[radiant rivet]

also hazard control

[silk marlin]

Techinically I do hae one but it's not gonna be doing damage

[silk marlin]

Defog

on tyrantrum talon

[radiant rivet]

yeah ok

[radiant rivet]

83 spa is not enough

[silk marlin]

Moveset, item and ability

[silk marlin]

Yeah

[obtuse shoal]

sheer force, life orb, earth power, moonblast

[silk marlin]

Swapped to Jirachi now

idk if it's enough

[radiant rivet]

thief?

also 99 is not enough

[silk marlin]

If Sash is consumed and I know I outspeed, I can use thief to steal

Just an utility

[silk marlin]

What r the 2 last move? Sludge Bomb and Thunderbolt?

[obtuse shoal]

your choice

[silk marlin]

kk

[obtuse shoal]

could be ice beam, nasty plot, thunderbolt

[radiant rivet]

as a suicide lead your goal is to prevent hazards, set hazards and then safely switch into your offensive mons

you do not need thief

[silk marlin]

Fair enough

What fusion do u think is good for galvantula

in a sand team or just drop it

[obtuse shoal]

espeon is popular

but in a sand team...

[silk marlin]

Yeah I think I can drop galvantula

[obtuse shoal]

what are you going to use instead

donphan is somewhat popular. Has spin, packs a good earthquake, can put rocks

[silk marlin]

Espon/Garchomp just because

https://replay.pokeathlon.com/#replay=m2pgalax-takathetorracat-1728843982149

Well this was nice...

[obtuse shoal]

It did go pretty well
But I'm confused as to why even have a fast gliscor like that

[silk marlin]

Yeah me 2

[obtuse shoal]

fighting this guy again
https://replay.pokeathlon.com/#replay=illusion911-arantine-1728838549669

flame body has quickly risen to one of my favorite abilities

[silk marlin]

Mostly cuz most viable mons are physical

[obtuse shoal]

well, if they're weak to burn, they'll quickly become unviable

[silk marlin]

Switching to Togeking and Espechomp making my team better

[obtuse shoal]

https://replay.pokeathlon.com/#replay=radf0rd-illusion911-1728846125336

this is another example of moltres doing work

but let's talk more about what this is
this isn't moltres being op, this is my opponent bringing mons vulnerable to burn, and no hazard removal

[obtuse shoal]

why does aggron learn quiver dance?

no setup, no hazards
just iron king

https://replay.pokeathlon.com/#replay=llllllllllleaon-illusion911-1728850839511

[minor saddle]

Any viable ludicolos I could sprite?

[obtuse shoal]

sadly, I haven't seen any ludicolos around, sorry

[shut shard]

how do I verify?

[obtuse shoal]

It's in the pokeathlon discord, not this one

[shut shard]

I tried the invite but it's expired

[obtuse shoal]

Interesting game with bushigoat

It seems like he had me beat in the spin department.

He chose a slowbro donphan with knock off, while my Latias forretress didn't have that.

And he had a spinblocked unlike me. But while I did have toxitar with pursuit, he had a bulky doublade

[opaque inlet]

Your team just had no way to actually do damage

[obtuse shoal]

It had nidoking and ursanite

[opaque inlet]

That two out of the 6 mon on your team

And you couldn’t really switch in to them safely so they couldn’t come in

[obtuse shoal]

That is fine. You had hymega and sylnite

[obtuse shoal]

Yeah, you are right about this one. Latiatress can be too fast to just function as a pivot

[opaque inlet]

No i mean outside of those two the rest of your mons literally had no attacking moves

Or a way to do any damage at all

Basically just sitting ducks

[obtuse shoal]

Clefable was acid armor calm mind moonblast. But you just crit and it died

Toxitar was there for knock and pursuit, but it was pretty hard to switch in

And moltres kept you from just sweeping my team with roar

[opaque inlet]

Clef crit was unlucky but even if it did live it would get past the unaware mon I had

[obtuse shoal]

Ah, that's right. It was pyuk doublade

[opaque inlet]

And Moltress forced me to switch but didn’t actually do any damage

[obtuse shoal]

It wasn't supposed to. I was burning folks the whole day with wisp and flame body. The rest of the moveset was stealth rock and roar but you won the hazard war so

The job was stopping physical sweepers. And it did that pretty well

Your team was just better

You spinner had answers to spin blocking. Your spinblocker didn't care for my pursuit

And your hymega was pretty hard to stop

[opaque inlet]

It cause your walls where too passive

I could switch around into something that could beat it cause they couldn’t threaten me with anything back

[obtuse shoal]

Idk. Personally I don't mind my walls just being walls

You might be right though

[delicate gull]

Mono flying ahh combo

[odd kiln]

crazy that you guys are still using that stuff in nd

[ember nova]

Oh this... This is evil.

On a rain team I mean.

You quiver dance twice and it's gg.

[odd kiln]

good luck getting two off

things like toxitar just destroy it

[ember nova]

True.

[lost galleon]

It hits hard, but I'm not sure how you expect this to survive to set up

Or to get over all the specially defensive steel types running around

Last I checked, Registeel/Clefable is still really popular, and it just eats this alive

[deft oasis]

Is Prankster Parting Shot supposed to bypass opposing Dark-types? (IF Dex)

[hexed umbra]

Dark types are not immune to prankster for some reason

[silk marlin]

and Spaghetto thought I wasn't running Prankster on my Murkrow fusion

[pure breach]

IF thing

[odd kiln]

prank mons get crazy (in theory)

idk what youd actually run

[dull plaza]

More like pre Gen 7 mechanic thing

[pure breach]

I mean, yeah

[delicate gull]

Time to run it in uu

[inland geode]

HOW DO YOU MAKE A FUSION POKEMON

BY MAKING YOUR OWN DESIGN

[odd kiln]

WDYM

[hexed umbra]

Do you mean making a sprite for a pokemon? The sprites for IF Showdown are updated every month or so

[ember nova]

https://replay.pokeathlon.com/#replay=geebahooter-skeepodoop-1729043599095

Gotta love when your oponent just leaves the game after they lose one Pokemon lol.

[mossy violet]

no i dont think it was losing a mon that made them want to leave...

68 turns and bro made 0 progress vs your team

[unborn pine]

No more vcreate yippee

[silk marlin]

https://replay.pokeathlon.com/#replay=takathetorracat-alstina53-1729090709695 Trying out a new team

https://replay.pokeathlon.com/#replay=domum-takathetorracat-1729090918606 2nd match instant wipe when his sweeper dies xd

[odd kiln]

crit knock was pretty nasty

[shut shard]

why hasn't pelipper been added???

[obtuse shoal]

I just realized throwing a ground type at an electric water is actually really scary

if he threw a scald and it burned you would have been messed up

[obtuse shoal]

yeah what kherx said

Tangela's eviolite has been knocked, meloetta was poisoned

his sweeper dhelzor couldn't do anything to you

and with syltress dead he couldn't even spin

[obtuse shoal]

ah yeah I fought him before. Once that quiver dance starts going it's hard to stop

it doesn't have any recovery though so there's that

but high defense + quiver dance can steam roll

[hexed umbra]

We share 3 team members lmao

[obtuse shoal]

btw, how useful is toxic in this mode

[lone dust]

It can be good but there are lots of steels, poison, magic guard, poison heal and guts mons running around that it’s completely useless against

[lost galleon]

You can't click it mindlessly but it also just completely neuters certain otherwise-annoying things

[serene arch]

Anyone interested in joining an infinite fusion draft league

If you are ping or dm me

[radiant rivet]

Nat dex or IF dex?

[silk marlin]

RIP to Sun and Rain team 😭

[silk marlin]

Chat am I cooking

Okay realized this team weakness

DIes agianst Rock/Water and Rock/Steel

if Fake Trap dies

my team gets walled entirely by Rock/Steel

Weachomp can help but eh

Also the team sucks against physical attackers

Gotta work on that

[deft oasis]

I don't recommend Hail if you are new to the format since it's one of the harder weather teams to build (mainly due to the lack of Hail abusers and the fact that Ice types are horrible defensively)

[silk marlin]

I'm the weather guy

[deft oasis]

you can build a Rain or Sun team instead: they're very threatening even without Swift Swim or Chlorophyll

[silk marlin]

I've tried sun and rain but they don't suit me

The on;y fun I had was sand

[deft oasis]

Sand is pretty good since it has both offensive and defensive options

[silk marlin]

?????

Sword Dance Moon Blast

[radiant rivet]

That player is cooking something

[silk marlin]

https://replay.pokeathlon.com/#replay=andreu77990-takathetorracat-1729265334195 First win

although that player team was kinda...

eh?

[silk marlin]

Haxorus Sandslash goes hard

[odd kiln]

thing is hail works best with stall bc of the lack of boosting or good abusers

[silk marlin]

Yeah, kinda sad that Snow Cloak is banned

but I understand why...

[deft oasis]

nobody wants to live in a world where you're allowed to run stuff like Snow Cloak/Sand Veil + Bright Powder

[silk marlin]

Yuh

My first experience with that was FR/LG Pidgey spamming Sand Attack

@deft oasis @radiant rivet Retrying my sand team again, if u guys can help, I'd appreciate it

[radiant rivet]

Swap synthesis with recover, synthesis loses value in sand

[silk marlin]

Oh it does, I thouhgt Synthesis and Recover does the same

Thx

[radiant rivet]

Also you want U-turn on that Ttar so it can switch into your sand abusers

[silk marlin]

Hmm fair enough

I was contemplating on what moves to use on ty-celebi

I forgot to add a special attacker just realized

🤦

I’ll prob remove haxorus/sandslash

[radiant rivet]

Probably swap wobuffet with one

[radiant rivet]

Do not do that

[silk marlin]

Oh okay that works

My team only need stealth rock to work

Ig I’ll remove leech for stealth on tyranitar

If ur wondering why heal bell

To cure annoying will-o-wisp on my phys sweepers

[radiant rivet]

Thats fine

Whats your plan with that murkrow?

[silk marlin]

Taunt their stealth rock lead and break stall (i think)

Also just being a big hinderance overall

I was contemplating on the last spot

[radiant rivet]

Its annoying at best

[silk marlin]

But couldn’t find anything good

[deft oasis]

not sure what Rocky Helmet is doing on your Sandxorus; it's probably better to give it something like Leftovers for longevity

[radiant rivet]

A special attacker?

[silk marlin]

Yeah sure

[radiant rivet]

Or Lifeorb

[silk marlin]

Already had one in mind

Nidoking/Toge

[radiant rivet]

good choice

[silk marlin]

Replacing wobuffshuckle

[radiant rivet]

You might be lacking in defensive pivots however

[silk marlin]

Yeah ur right, only has scizor/yanmega rn,

[radiant rivet]

Jira/Tangrowth?

[silk marlin]

What typing

Steel grass?

Oh jira the head

Bleh

[deft oasis]

also Sandxorus could use Swords Dance instead of DDance since it outspeeds just about everything else in Sand anyway; however, I'll leave it up to you to decide it since DDance has the benefit of being useful against other weather teams that remove Sand

[radiant rivet]

Substitute could also work

[deft oasis]

also Tyrantrum/Talonflame may need to be reworked: you're using it as an attacker that also has Defog but with minimal speed you won't outspeed other attackers, with its mediocre base attack it's not going to be doing a lot of damage outside of Head Smash, and with its pitiful bulk I don't think giving it HP investment is going to do it many favours in letting it stay in and clear hazards

[silk marlin]

so just go full Banded

?

or scarf

to outspeed stuffs

[deft oasis]

I would recommend scarf for speed control

[silk marlin]

Okie

Idk what to use for last move doe

prob Earthquake?

[radiant rivet]

uturn?

[silk marlin]

Sure

What moveset for Jirachi/Tangrowth btw @radiant rivet

[radiant rivet]

Usually you run knock,Uturn, and then Flash cannon, Energy ball

with an AV

Iron head and powerwhip also work

[silk marlin]

Im guessing EVs r

252 HP, 252 SpA?

[radiant rivet]

Nope

[deft oasis]

Giga Drain could also be used in place of Energy Ball for the healing

[radiant rivet]

You want that thing to take hits

So defensive or SpD investment

[silk marlin]

Sure Giga Drain works

Im going phys def

My team already has Tyranbi as special wall

[radiant rivet]

fair enough

[silk marlin]

ok how about dis

Is this better now

Wait oops forgot to change nature on Jigrowth

[deft oasis]

Life Orb on Togeking

[silk marlin]

Gotcha

time to see how this team works

[silk marlin]

also regarding dis, I kinda expect the SpD from Sandstorm help it

Even still, it won't help me yah

87 DEF and 67 SpD

I feel bad for dis guy

Some abiltiies dont work like Prankster still go through DARK

[odd kiln]

that is intended

[silk marlin]

Wait we're using Gen 4 rules?

I mean ig it does make sense considering inf weather?

[odd kiln]

no its an if specific mechanic

[silk marlin]

https://replay.pokeathlon.com/#replay=astro2652-takathetorracat-1729268306707 First match was somewhat nice

But my opp doesn't know what they were doing

I expected King Rock on his Cloyster Smeargle

[deft oasis]

King's Rock is banned

[silk marlin]

oh

https://replay.pokeathlon.com/#replay=microdaft-takathetorracat-1729268688799 2nd match went really smooth

His Protean Dragonite was smt but eh not like I can't handle it

y r people using 4 mons

What..

[radiant rivet]

I think some people just like to figure out what their squad is missing by testing

[silk marlin]

Ah makes sense

Ok I need a way to disable setup

[radiant rivet]

You have those

By Forcing the set up out because it risks death

[silk marlin]

The problem is if they go into set up first

as lead

I fought against a Ursanite who set up DD, then proceed to E-Speed all over my mon

https://replay.pokeathlon.com/#replay=takathetorracat-astro2652-1729269345285

3rd match Togeking sweep

I mean 5th

[radiant rivet]

Can I See that one?

[silk marlin]

wait no my bad it was a Dragonite Doublade

https://replay.pokeathlon.com/#replay=ark64-takathetorracat-1729269606483

and it wasnt DD it was SD

best trick ever

[radiant rivet]

funnily enough even at plus 4, Talon flame tanks an espeed

[silk marlin]

Yeah but I funked up and didn't realized

https://replay.pokeathlon.com/#replay=microdaft-takathetorracat-1729270049600 6th match another W but I'll go after the 7th cuz dinner

[radiant rivet]

Trust me I know the feeling

[radiant rivet]

Btw Knock up beats recycle

knock off

[silk marlin]

yeah ik but I realize I could just brute force it

lost to a rain team as last match

his politoed was slower

[deft oasis]

when you're up against another weather team, it can be a good idea to lead with something advantageous against their weather setter, so you can have momentum (especially if you have pivoting moves on that mon)

[silk marlin]

You ever realized making a set and u forgot to set the correct ability

me momento

I think ima log off now before my brain cell is killed even more while building team

[radiant rivet]

Something that has me curious with the showdown server slowly approaching its first anniversery :
were there any fusions/mons that were thought to become dominant only for those to fall flat on their back?

Are there any metagame defining or respectable Offmeta fusions that noone thought about while the showdown site was being tested?

[odd kiln]

i think sylnite fell off

[radiant rivet]

and the other way around?

a fusion you didnt expect to be as good as it became?

[odd kiln]

uh idk

most of the stuff thats good was also good back then

[radiant rivet]

I mean was there some playtesting before the server went live?

And did the players find a fusion the mods or devs didnt expect?

[odd kiln]

p sure there were a lot that didnt happen in playtesting

[radiant rivet]

would you like to share one?

[odd kiln]

idk because i wasnt a playtester

[radiant rivet]

Why was shuckle back then considered to be too much for OU? Since when the server went live it was UBERs?

[radiant rivet]

I didnt expect that

[odd kiln]

i just joined shortly when it went up

[radiant rivet]

considering that one should always dm you when they want to prove that they are allowed to vote on bans, I kinda always thought you were part of the mod team

[odd kiln]

im one of the tier leaders

[radiant rivet]

I am assuming for the If OU tier?

What are the chances the tapus are ever brought into If dex OU?

[odd kiln]

ou, ag, ndou, and ndag

[weary burrow]

Theoretically:

How do you kill this MF

[radiant rivet]

PP stall it with a Magic guard user and watch it die to struggle

also poison heal doesnt work on it since as a poison type it cant be poisonend

(ignoring corrosion ofc)

[gritty anvil]

any steel or poison type with more than 72 PP oughta work right? Or anything with substitute, immunity, magic guard, etc.

[obtuse shoal]

so why is fighting so underwhelming in this game

[lost galleon]

Click Perish Song, laugh at its inability to do damage fast enough to outpace the timer

[obtuse shoal]

it's a poison type with toxic orb?

[lost galleon]

Salt Cure it with a Purifying Salt Garg, wait

[weary burrow]

Yup, im stupid

[lost galleon]

Curse it with a Gengar, wait

[weary burrow]

Ok nvm

[lost galleon]

Give it -6 spdef with Acid Spray Tentacruel, spam water STAB

[obtuse shoal]

or jumpluff

[lost galleon]

It's not hard to kill something with that little offensive pressure

[obtuse shoal]

how does it beat clef

or... any steel type

[weary burrow]

Ill just shut up now

[vital sand]

Steel bug wonderguard

[obtuse shoal]

yeah, klingklang shedinja

[delicate gull]

A Steel pokemon with block and taunt

[radiant rivet]

Maybe because ghost, fairy and flying are all so good?

[deft oasis]

At the same time one can also argue that Steel types are so good (and common) that despite being resisted by a whole six types, Fighting is in fact not a bad type offensively

[sturdy cradle]

it’s that the Fighting types have Gen 5 coverage with Fairies added

Only Breloom really sees usage for its Fighting type and even then it usually gets paired with Steel/Ghost to shore up that weakness

Infernape is better as Fire but you can make it Fighting

And Lucarios Fighting pairings aren’t really OU worthy

They’re good for UU

[lost galleon]

Imo the big problem is that the available fighting types just

Aren't very fast

[deft oasis]

Does nobody use MeloP these days?

[lost galleon]

You've got Meloetta Pirouette, and sort of Infernape, and that's pretty much it.

Emboar, Scrafty, and Chesnaught might help a good bit with fighting being useful though. They're not fast, but they're much bulkier than what's currently in the IF dex, and they have some interesting options that other fighting types don't get

[radiant rivet]

Arent chestnaught and scrafty in the game now?

Yet noone uses them

[lost galleon]

Yes, but idk if they're in Showdown yet

[radiant rivet]

they are

what unique options do they have?

[lost galleon]

Well, Scrafty's a fighting type that gets Dragon Dance, and I hear that's a pretty good move. It also gets HJK if you want fighting STAB that doesn't drop your defenses and don't mind living a bit dangerous, and moxie or intimidate, both very good abilities.

Chesnaught gets leech seed and spiky shield, and has amazing "body" stats for a slow, bulky Pokemon, though I don't know if it can be a body and provide the fighting type. If it provides the fighting type as the head, that would explain why nobody's using it. There's much better grass types around.

...Looking at Scrafty's stats, if it also only provides the fighting type as a head, that would explain why nobody's using it. If you want a dark type body dragon dancer, Tyranitar exists.

Nope, they both provide fighting as the body. I don't know why nobody's trying them. They seem to have been placed in OU and UU

And I'd think they have enough selling points to be worth at least giving a shot, unless the meta is extremely hostile to slow, bulky fighting types

Though due to when I'm online, I rarely get to actually play Showdown, and I'm not very good when I do, so I could also be completely wrong.

Also I'm apparently misremembering because I thought the Unovan starters had been announced as getting in but turns out no, so Emboar is still Sir Not Appearing In This Fangame

[radiant rivet]

yet

As for why Noone uses scrafty : If you want its fighting type you have to live with its abysmall attack of 95

And moxie is kind of a non issue with spectral thief and all the unawares around

[sturdy cradle]

Yeah this is where the Swords of Justice took over

Only 2 of the 4 were used in OU consistently by the time Fairies rolled around

[sturdy cradle]

After V-Create bans it’s dropped in usage a bit

Enetta being that ultimate Steel wallbreaker

[lost galleon]

Like Serene Grace/Sacred Fire isn't still terrifying

[sturdy cradle]

Burn is at its worst when the game is dominated by semi stall/stall

I personally don’t use stall but the top of the ladder uses it because it’s the safest way to play

That 180 move helped alot in those matchups

If the Serene Grace combo was in UU then it’d be goated

love Scraftly regardless

[obtuse shoal]

I wonder if it's the speed or just the way they're built

Like if conk was here, would he also be UU?

[odd kiln]

scrafty being ou is an oversight @pure breach throw that mf in ru

[odd kiln]

defensive fighting is just fundamentally not useful

resisting bug/dark is done better by fairy

[hexed umbra]

Resisting Rock is great for an offensive type, but every team should have a great CC switchin

Meloetta P has everything a fighting type could ever want, yet its just alright

[pure breach]

You know I put new stuff in OU until told otherwise

[odd kiln]

yeah its my oversight

i didnt realize it was added

[obtuse shoal]

it might be because fighting has no resistances besides stealth rock

actually it's resistant to u turn and knock off...

[radiant rivet]

Fairy exists

[obtuse shoal]

i wouldn't say fairy is that great

[radiant rivet]

It absolutly is

You resist Uturn,Knock and are immune to draco? That is amazing

[obtuse shoal]

Yeah I guess that's fair

And clef having magic guard enables all sorts of shenanigans

[gritty spire]

Whenever I type and press enter for my name in Pokeathlon, it doesn’t change anything and it says I need to enter my name again. Does anyone know how to fix this.

I can’t battle without a name 😢.

[radiant rivet]

Have you tried refreshing the website?

works for me when having that issue

[gritty spire]

Does an eviolite work if only one of the fused Pokemon is not fully evolved?

[opaque inlet]

Yes, only one pokemon needs to be not fully evolved for Eviolite to work

[radiant rivet]

How dumb of an Idea would it be to fuse metagross with sylveon for that pixalate boom?

(The fusion would be Fairy Psychic then)

[glossy zealot]

what are you pixilating in metagross may i ask

fairy psychic is nice you lose your dark weakness, but fairy/steel is probably one of the best type combination in the game

[radiant rivet]

Pixalating explosion

[glossy zealot]

is explosion good in singles?

[odd kiln]

situational

on hyper offense suicide leads do it to prevent spin/defog and setup mons do it to keep hazards up or muscle through an unaware or particularly bulky wall

[mighty knot]

Sylveon/Noivern pixilate boom burst better

[dull plaza]

Boomburst got banned a while ago

[mighty knot]

[obtuse shoal]

thoughts on the ghost flying type?

like without fusions we have drifblim, but it sucks

the weaknesses also just stack

but it's not like grass flying where it double stacks

[glossy zealot]

3 imunities

week to ghost electric and dark

thats a good tiping for me

[obtuse shoal]

The way ghost works is just weird though.
It's either a bulky option with support and neutralities

Or it's an offensive glass cannon

[obtuse shoal]

I feel like the ghost-dark-fighting dynamic is pretty different from the steel-ground-flying-water dynamic.

And mixing both just removes neutralities

Idk, I'm approaching this from a types perspective but maybe it's not that relevant

[patent yoke]

Maybe for Ghost-Flying it should be a bulky tank demon?

It's got a decent amount of weaknesses but it has no overlap on anything besides resisting Bug 1/4x which hardly matters

Dusknoir/Gliscor looks like it'd be pretty good

[radiant rivet]

I feel like whats holds it back the most are its lackluster attacking options : Hurricane is inconsistent meanwhile Physically you have to live with Shadow claw.
With fusion you might be capable of giving a mon both spectral thief and Brave bird

[odd kiln]

hp too low
someone has used drifblim/gliscor on hail semistall and it was p good

[deft oasis]

Drifblim/Gliscor does seem pretty good, although I'm a little worried in that it doesn't check Ursanite variants with both Crunch/Throat Chop and SD

[obtuse shoal]

Honestly how do you fight ursanite

[patent yoke]

I was gonna ask how Ursanite is a thing and then like

Oh yeah Multiscale lol

[craggy merlin]

Fight me guys IF Dex OU user. Ballsmaster23

[patent yoke]

Solid Rock ahh ability (cracked if only the Pokemon its given to doesn't have to compensate for it)

[hexed umbra]

Ursanite usually runs guts for insane damage with STAB e-speed

[radiant rivet]

what is this?

[lost galleon]

Get something with Iron Barbs/Rough Skin, Rocky Helmet, and the steel type, and let the Ursanite kill itself

[deft oasis]

It's all fun and games until you run into the one with Roost

[obtuse shoal]

yeah its guts so burn isn't that detrimental. And its facades deal a lot of damage

you can switch in a ghost type, but it also has options like throat chop and others

[obtuse shoal]

that golurk is doing nothing

and that torterra is doing no damage

[obtuse shoal]

But I mean, I'm kinda gatekeeping the fun here

[craggy merlin]

Trust, that damage one shots

[obtuse shoal]

nah, I'm immediately burning it

[craggy merlin]

It's only weak to one type and it's bulky as heck

[obtuse shoal]

the best recovery it got is drain punch

[craggy merlin]

There is a reason why nidoterra is there

To set up leech seed

• snorlurk also has assault vest

[obtuse shoal]

do you want to try your team out?

[craggy merlin]

Sure

My user is Ballsmaster23

@obtuse shoal you on?

[obtuse shoal]

yeah, illusion911

[craggy merlin]

Oops

I misclicked synthesis

Gg

[obtuse shoal]

yeah

what did you think

[craggy merlin]

I will be clear, you won because you knew what my team was

And I only had 3 pokemons

Other than that I will try my best to be humble

[obtuse shoal]

I will admit my team is not that good though

[craggy merlin]

It doesn't seem bad

[obtuse shoal]

It's an amalgamation of some of the best mons I've used

but I'm using them to brute force some of my checks

Like that ursanite is doing way too much

I'm seeing any kind of defensive mon and I'm switching to it

[craggy merlin]

Are there abilities that raise CRIT chance?

[obtuse shoal]

super luck

[craggy merlin]

I know inteleons hidden ability is

[obtuse shoal]

sniper raises crit damage

but if you want crit chance, there's honchkrow and togekiss

and absol

and if you want crit damage, there's kingdra glaceon, with sniper frost breath

But as for ursanite. It seems like it struggles with flying steels

[timid cradle]

add a character editor

[radiant rivet]

That moment ,when you create a fusion and a few weeks later you see another player is using it.

[obtuse shoal]

Did you make a new fusion?

[formal merlin]

is there an anything goes type gamemode?

[odd kiln]

yes its if dex ag

[patent yoke]

Who's stuck on AG?

Iirc everyone else too good for OU is all on Ubers

[odd kiln]

no mons in my theoretical ag