showdown-general

[thin garden]

@odd kiln also id argue that your salablade is by far the weakest part of your current team

if your team is (what im expecting) trick room, i dont see how that salablade fits it, besides if you run sash for specthief to counter setup mons that arent normaltype

magnetei is fun but id say its the second weakest on the team

[odd kiln]

i was talking about the breloom

[odd kiln]

https://replay.pokeathlon.com/#&player=anaconja&replay=anaconja-fishysfan-1707250623027 assuming ur talking about this replay thats just bulky balance

salablade is the physical blanket check with eviolite + intim

and magnetei traps steels for sylvern

[thin garden]

oh, mb

[odd kiln]

the munchlax is indeed bulky but as i said it needs to setup like 4 times to do any damage and thats more than enough time for the opp to toxic you or go into a fighting or just spam uturn 5 times to chip you down

[thin garden]

its not unbeatable

as anything

it has its weaknesses

but late in a fight, when you took out 1 or 2 mons, theres a chance they no longer have an answer

is your magnezone AV or band?

i assumed band

[odd kiln]

band

no reason for av

[thin garden]

ye figured

but if you ran AV , i would have swapped and tried it once

was quite easy to navigate around the 1 faster than Sylvern mon in the enemy team until i could safely sweep with it

also big fan of your jira

[odd kiln]

its a meta staple its not mine

[thin garden]

well i see all kinds of stuff at low elo

dont know the actual meta yet

do you run sacred sword on sala?

[odd kiln]

no

[thin garden]

is spectral your only offensive move?

[odd kiln]

dtail

[thin garden]

huh, interesting

what for

[odd kiln]

phaze normals

[thin garden]

im guessing dtail has a specific counter

[odd kiln]

and rack up hazard dmg

[thin garden]

you running more hazards than just rocks?

[shut shard]

does fling work with golden nugget in this showdown?

[thin garden]

dont see golden nugget in the itemlist

[shut shard]

mb big nugget

does big nugget work with fling?

[thin garden]

you can try vs me in a friendly challenge

[shut shard]

ok

thanks

[thin garden]

try with just iron ball now

[manic sand]

Hey y’all, just wanted to bring up against that I’m still looking for more player for my infinite fusion draft league, was a doing a doubles restricted format so hmu if you are interested

We are starting in a little over a week

[shut shard]

https://replay.pokeathlon.com/#replay=rudihrtd-jeepycreeper-1707636854242 I have perfected my Ferrotapex, now I just need a name

22 turns of stall

[ruby current]

Sounds interesting

[rough lantern]

anyone down

[thin garden]

im down

[thin garden]

still need a counter to magic guard or grass

but its solid and water/grass usually is a good typing considering what most people bring

shit i watched your replay and forgot i queued up, unnecessary loss lmao

[fast blade]

Ideas for good breloom fusions?

[odd kiln]

which meta

[thin garden]

funny gimmick team : https://pastebin.com/WEvc7wQf

trick room team : https://pastebin.com/sSHuEYen

[odd kiln]

took my team and butchered it

[thin garden]

i made some improvements

whatever this team is : https://pastebin.com/1FfRcMGg

theres nobody ever playing these formats, you keep seeing the same 2 or 3 people over and over again, sometimes back to back to back the same person, waiting 5-10minutes for a match, you gain 7-15 points but lose 15-30 once you are 1300 even if you went 10-0 there
im quitting, so i posted the few mons i had going

[pure breach]

Please try to use pokepaste if you’re sharing a team

[shut shard]

how does magic gaurd work with life orb? does life orb still function with the hp loss?

[shut shard]

nvm I found out

[fast blade]

Should I run a physical or special set on thus

[odd kiln]

physical but also its not good

[fast blade]

Pixilate Espeed??

I was thinking like
Calm Mind
Morning Sun
Flamethrower
Hyper Voice

[odd kiln]

pixilate espeed isnt even on this set

and 95 atk is underwhelming

on top of no atk boosting

[slender adder]

what the FUCK i saw you ingame

i was catbeast777 (or mudkipcat777?)

[wary skiff]

dragonite+sylveon has better offensive stats if you want to pixelate e-speed+ good coverage

i am a bit confused about how Pokémons are ranked in the if metagame, is it a combined usage of both head and body or are they ranked only as body?

[fast blade]

Has it gotten that bad?

[vivid junco]

Laughs in nat dex. Always been like that for us

Get ready for people to build specific counter teams for you if the format dies that much

[wary flame]

Sounds about right

[timber wyvern]

I have a fusion of Dusknoir and Cornerstone-Ogerpon
What type would Ivy Cudgel be?
Grass, Ghost or Rock?

[vivid junco]

Rock if its wearing the mask

Im pretty sure

[odd kiln]

correct

[sturdy cradle]

I played a game, won handily then rolled the same guy and he changed sets to beat my team specifically 💀

[vivid junco]

way nat dex is

[feral anchor]

have you tried not winning? people usually dont change their mons to someone they beat

[sturdy cradle]

💀

[vivid junco]

lol

[sturdy cradle]

skill level distribution on ladder sucks

[vivid junco]

I beat a guy 20 times in a row. Then he made a complete counter team. And then he went from 1300 elop to 1100 bc his team was ass to everyone else lol

[feral anchor]

well thats what happens when you hurt a person's ego too much

[sturdy cradle]

Top 20 on ladder is either anaconja alts, people who are good with only 1 type of team/1 team, or players that never enter chat so you never know when you can even pull them

[feral anchor]

next time, play with 20 different sets at random so people cant do that

[sturdy cradle]

Randpoke 6

[feral anchor]

i can understand changing one pokemon on your team because you didnt see a serious weakness but a whole team made just for that is sad

[vivid junco]

yeah so then I changed my team to a rain team then proceeded to ohko their entire team with fishous rend and they haven't logged on since

[feral anchor]

making children cry is bad, you know

[vivid junco]

skill issue

[sturdy cradle]

gave advice on teambuilding, guy said didn’t ask and then he proceeded to get clapped because of lacking what I suggested

they don’t wanna learn so they can take Ls

[feral anchor]

everyone wanna think that they're the main character

[sturdy cradle]

they want to be the one that knocks 🤷

[feral anchor]

actually @sturdy cradle how dare you even assume that their team wasnt completely perfect in all ways

you probably got lucky when making your team you were so lucky when you gave your pokemon the moves needed to beat their team

[sturdy cradle]

[feral anchor]

and you are a cheater too because I said so

beat me = cheater flawless logic

[shut shard]

https://replay.pokeathlon.com/#replay=symplectomorphism-rudihrtd-1707777849407 thought I was going to lose

[rare stream]

Anyone wanna do Doubles AG?

kinda bored

[zenith musk]

why not my showdown name is revenlay. i'll make a team

[rare stream]

yippeee

would you like to possibly vc?

[zenith musk]

cant vc atm. also i cant find doubles ag is doubles nat dex good?

[rare stream]

are you on the right site?

go to the one in the channel description

[zenith musk]

i was not

[rare stream]

do pick this specific format to make your team in btw

[zenith musk]

yes i did find the right one

[rare stream]

nice

just don't legendary spam lmao

[zenith musk]

lmao i wont. i make 0 promises about using slaking without truant tho

[rare stream]

thats fine

the stats scale anyways so its not gonna be that big of an issue

[odd kiln]

why would you play ag and expect not legend spam though

[rare stream]

gentlemans agreement smh

[zenith musk]

i've got my team so now i'm just kinda waiting for you to shoot me a battle request

[rare stream]

also its just a friendly match

[rare stream]

oh alrighty

[odd kiln]

the premise of ag is that you can use legends and like idk if its just me but id want to make the most of what i can use

[zenith musk]

yeah but thats lame

[rare stream]

true

being creative is more fun

[odd kiln]

i dont think using legendaries and being creative are mutually exclusive

[rare stream]

Yeah but still

[odd kiln]

like does changing calyrex to something worse like ribombee make this more creative

actually ribombee doesnt have leech seed

serperior or something

[rare stream]

ribombee isnt even grass type why would it have leech seed

[odd kiln]

i just picked a random mon with high speed

[rare stream]

It def wouldn't

[zenith musk]

depending on ones definition of legendary spamming this isnt even legendary spamming. it isnt for me. like calyrex and mewtwo and then a whole team of fusions like it or just 6 copies of it would be legendary spamming

[rare stream]

true

[odd kiln]

idt thats even good though

none of my ag teams have 12 legendaries on them

[zenith musk]

eh its just an example and mewtwo/calyrex were the first 2 legendaries that came to mind

[odd kiln]

if mewtwo/calyrex had something like psystrike astral barrage aura sphere plot thats kinda boring just because when you think of the mon that moveset comes to mind immediately

but something like this i think is still creative

using leech seed to beat shed through any tera

its two legends

but it has some innovative way to beat a usually hard counter

conversely im looking at the doubles ag battle right now and i see a breloom self fusion

and i would call that boring because its not even a fusion

theres no new thing youre combining with breloom to make it do something different

[zenith musk]

lmao i was just using that mostly cause he looks cool as hell

[rare stream]

wait its a breloom self fusion

thats funny

imma remove one of my stupid gimmick mons because this shuckle bastiodon aint gonna ever do nuthin

[zenith musk]

i just switched out my bisharp metagross cause he wasnt pulling his weight

[rare stream]

real

just gimme a minute

gonna have to make a new team member from scratch

kinda confused at rock head on my pokemon not working with Life Orb

[odd kiln]

doesnt count as recoil

[rare stream]

it says so in the description

literally

[odd kiln]

doesnt count as recoil

[rare stream]

FUCK I MISREAD

nvm

im stupid

[zenith musk]

salatoed hits like a truck despite looking like a little guy

[rare stream]

tru

[zenith musk]

so i've just realized something crucial

i was using the damn slaking fusion the wrong way

he should be hitting way harder now

[rare stream]

lmao

[zenith musk]

anyways i gotta get food soon so lets get one more in before that happens

[rare stream]

alr one minute

[zenith musk]

too late i've gotta go for food. when i get back we'll have our tiebreaker

[rare stream]

alright

thats fine

ping me when ur back

[rare stream]

hey u wanna play in the meantime maybe?

[odd kiln]

dont have a doubles ag team

[rare stream]

rip

you can make one if youd like

[zenith musk]

@rare stream i'm back

[rare stream]

sup

kk lets go

https://tenor.com/view/geometry-dash-limbo-geometry-dash-limbo-keys-meme-gif-6044809611627340302

[crude solar]

steelix/regice has the 2nd best defenses within gen 7 ou, am i wrong? (excluding triple fusions)

[undone surge]

statwise probably its up there, but the type

[sturdy cradle]

Regice/Regirock eeks past it with 10 more SpDef

[crude solar]

thats why its second

[sturdy cradle]

nah third

you forgot the triple fusion of those

[crude solar]

ah

wait

[crude solar]

its ice/ground better than ice/rock tho (regirock/regice)

[sturdy cradle]

we're now both wrong as Bastiodon/Regice beats those 2 by 2 and 12 combined Defense BST

💀

[sturdy cradle]

yes

if only because Ice/Rock on a slower mon tanking things is better than Ice/Ground

you can actually resist things

[crude solar]

ye but i prefer not to risk it

[undone surge]

still the type

[crude solar]

u mean regice/bastiodon?

[sturdy cradle]

you're risking more having a Ice/Ground that will never get a chance to attack and doesn't do anything to support your team, than an Ice/Rock that can resist an Extremespeed, a Boomburst, better chance to set up Rocks etc

there's a reason why Mamoswine is praised for awesome attacking and never for defensive profile

idc bout the order its easier to get the message across

[crude solar]

ye

which double fusion got the highest hp?

wailord/wobbufet?

[sturdy cradle]

you gotta give tier context

IF Dex OU?

[crude solar]

yes

gen 7

[undone surge]

yeah its that if we exclude

blissey and chansey

[crude solar]

ohk

[sturdy cradle]

just the 2 highest

[undone surge]

can somebody give me an honest opinion

https://pokepast.es/ac54238cd1535866

[sturdy cradle]

this your first team?

[undone surge]

its called

untitled 4

for a reason

i guess kyurem scizor can be optimized or something

[sturdy cradle]

I can't read that number it's bad for Chinese culture

[undone surge]

actually this is my 2nd team my first team uhhh we dont talk about that

[sturdy cradle]

solid start

[undone surge]

https://pokepast.es/3d2fd09cbe7f2369

first team

[sturdy cradle]

you want want to divide your Stealth Rock and Defog user so you're not pressuring 1 mon

Gliscor fusions especially suffer from 4 moveslot syndrome

[undone surge]

i know

i just didnt know what else to do

should i get like defog on sciz/kyurem

[sturdy cradle]

alright I'm putting it through the ladder ringer and seeing how it does

yeah Scizor can be your defogger, it's not unheard of

https://play.pokeathlon.com/#battle-gen7ifdexou-145531

this team has no status move, could be hard to deal with walls

[undone surge]

i see, thank you for the response

[sturdy cradle]

gonna see if I can run it to 1400

yeah I got fucked over for not having a Fire move

add that one to the list

[undone surge]

alright

I'll make something similiar with status moves, better hazard control, fire move

[sturdy cradle]

https://replay.pokeathlon.com/#replay=cylvanis-soluckylucky-1707965127548

there's your team vs a competent opp

you can see if your opp boosts it either joev or you're gonna have to do a whole acrobatic act like I did

at least physically

[odd kiln]

nonchoice sylvern is pretty ineffective

i havent tested super fang though some regenvest steels still beat it

[sturdy cradle]

yeah the Sylvern was sack outlet

[odd kiln]

suicune looks weak and steel actually hurts it in my opinion

being forced out by ground and fighting is not good

[sturdy cradle]

tbf the only Fighting type that's used as a Fighting type in that usage text (top 35) was Breloom

blue dog just wanna go brr

[undone surge]

yeah idk the meta and stuff

so this is good information

[undone surge]

https://pokepast.es/0f19db0e2c5c07c8 call me crazy

[rare stream]

anyone wanna play if dex ag/doubles ag?

(ping me btw)

[slender adder]

what're some good tanky pokemon yall recommend?

[odd kiln]

in what meta

[fast blade]

If you want to run Facade+Espeed then just run Dnite with Guts Ursaring

[grave barn]

never cook again

if you want stronger normal type espeed just get adaptability

[oak spruce]

I can’t find anyone to fight on IF showdown. Can someone help.

[sturdy cradle]

it means there isn't anyone searching

what are you wanting to queue lol

[oak spruce]

I mean can somebody play against me

I’m on Nat dex double AG

IF showdown needs way more advertising

[sturdy cradle]

it already had a money tour

that attracted top talent

[oak spruce]

Well it needs a bit more

[odd kiln]

wasnt that ndou

the amount of doubles players is miniscule let alone natdex doubles ag

[rare stream]

i could play

but i'd have to make a team firstt

lmao

[rare stream]

i made a team

[fast blade]

Any good grass fusions for IF dex OU?

[lost galleon]

Roserade/galvantula is a horrible demon of a Pokemon thanks to Compound Eyes sleep powder

And subseed and your choice of entry hazards, extremely high base power moves, volt switch, and other such bullshit

[fast blade]

Thanks so much!!!!

[lost galleon]

Tbh I’m a bit nervous about telling someone else about that set. It’s disgusting. Not unbeatable, since it can be outsped, but even so. I wouldn’t want to fight it.

[odd kiln]

sounds like it gets walled by jirachitangrowth and other dragons

jirachitangrowth is a good grass fusion btw

[fast blade]

Why?

Regenerator shenanigans?

[odd kiln]

very good typing + regen

[fast blade]

Or like what else is good about it

[odd kiln]

• slow uturn

[lost galleon]

Grass steel is very good typing, and Jirachi+Tangrowth makes good use of it alongside a very strong move set and ability.

But everyone knows steel fusions are really tough to break, so expect to have to dance for your life around all the ground, fighting, and fire moves everyone smart will be packing.

[odd kiln]

but its neutral to ground

[manic sand]

Hey y’all, wanted to put on last message here about the draft league I run, we are starting our second season tomorrow so if you are interested please dm me, we currently need 3 more players

The event will be a natdex doubles restricted format, meaning everyone can draft up to 2 Ubers. If you have any more questions, feel free to ask me here or in dms

[lost galleon]

What is a draft league?

[manic sand]

Essentially we have a drafting phase where you draft the Pokémon you can use on your team, and then you’ll play against other people in the league

[fast skiff]

u still able to get ppl?

[manic sand]

Still need a couple more

[fast skiff]

i'd be down

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDC9Xol9TtY hold up this you?

[manic sand]

Yeah

[fast elm]

is this a fusions league?

[tribal trellis]

yea it is

[manic sand]

We only need one more player if anyone is interested

[pseudo lion]

what influences an attack's damage more, the bp of the move or the attack stat of the mon?
or are thsoe equal influences

like, would i rather have a 100 attack mon using an 80 bp move
or an 80 attack mon using a 100 bp move

[odd kiln]

atk is better

[pseudo lion]

ty

[shut shard]

anyone here?

https://pokepast.es/114b558283524742

[queen dove]

how do i make fusions in frantic fusion?

[pure breach]

Frantic Fusion is an OM in base Showdown, if you’re looking to make fusions as in Infinite Fusion, you’re looking for https://play.pokeathlon.com

If you are indeed looking at Frantic Fusions, then I believe you have to give the Pokémon the nickname of the mon you’re fusing to

[quaint wing]

how do i take showdown pings off

[left lotus]

can someone explain what the hell is IF NatDex on showdown?

I understand it's national dex but like what category is it

[odd kiln]

all mons are available

wym category

[pure breach]

:(

Channels and Roles at the top of the channels list, I’m fairly sure if you unselect the Showdown category it’ll remove it

[quaint wing]

i dont see it anywhere

i see the channe

i never manually put the showdown role on iirc

whats with the “:(“

[sudden prawn]

Thank you anaconja, very cool

[shut shard]

I take that nback

[viscid skiff]

suspect checking MY baby

[hexed umbra]

I'm glad Boomburst is being suspect tested and not Noivern, I just checked the stats of PZ/Flygon and its definitely useable (speed drop is definitely unfortunate though)

And it gets Earth Power lol

[glacial bane]

"Oh no, I can't out Boomburst because I don't want, lets ban it"
"I don't want to run recover moves, faster mons, Ice Shard/Bullet Punch, Prankster, or literally anything"

Like, this feels like the hit to Spore (that also wasn't needed)

[fast elm]

its a suspect test, if you're against banning it then get the reqs and vote :)

[glacial bane]

I've been out of things a little, so maybe

I'll...just assume people didn't come up with anything good if Boomburst is still considered a problem

[odd kiln]

if ur trying to beat it with just recovery good luck killing it before it clicks plot and ohkos or 2hkos you
the "just outoffense it lol" argument only kind of works if the mon in question has low speed (these mons have 102 and 112 speed) and the meta is short of slow pivoting (not the case)
no bullet punch ohkos poryvern
good luck switching any prankster into poryvern bc after 1 spike the bulkiest resist has a 12.5% of getting ohkod

every one of your arguments if they had any standing could be applied to something like a deoxys fusion

hell any priority probably ohkos deoxys we should unban it

[glacial bane]

Didn't your damage checks assume specs?
Weather teams will have no problem outspeeding you. Any good mon will outspeed it.
I thought it's job was to kill. So I have no problem switching something

[glacial bane]

We could probably

Who knows? Have we tried it?

[odd kiln]

specs is by far the best set and if this was fantasyland where you could ban a specific set the suspect test would be specs poryvern and sylvern

the argument that a specific archetype has mons that outspeed the mon in question has no merit because that doesnt answer the majority of the other archetypes that (besides stall) fold to it

some good mons outspeed poryvern/sylvern but they cannot switch in so you require a slow pivot many of which can get uturned on and trapped

[glacial bane]

So why are we saying now it doesn't run it?

[odd kiln]

because its another set that capitalizes on the specs switchins

the fact that you can run pretty much a counter in regen water steel and still lose because the noivern popped a +2 on the switch and you cant 2hko it back is ludicrous

[glacial bane]

Gyroball doesn't do the trick on a slow steel?

[odd kiln]

no

actually you need to ohko

bc +2 boomburst 2hkos

[glacial bane]

Aren't we also now assuming that Noivern+Pory-Z has specifically Nasty Ploted in a (what it thinks is a ) favorable match-up, because "yeah, they are gonna switch and not contest by getting a simple 2 shot or savely force a switch on you"?

[odd kiln]

so ur saying that it isnt broken because you can adopt the mindset of "i will always click attacks against it when its in because i think its plot and it will click plot and if it clicks boomburst i guess thats a sack"

[glacial bane]

Yes.

[odd kiln]

thats a bad argument

any mon that flips the normal way of how you play against it upside down is overcentralizing if not broken

[glacial bane]

That's a lot of mons you are talking about
Oh no, I can't unga bunga

[glacial bane]

...In a bad discussion

I just feel like the argument of "you have to adept in a competitive game = bad"...is bad

[odd kiln]

the argument that you can simply outplay the poryvern user can also be applied in the reverse

and there has been adaption because the metagame always adapts but the fact that this mon forces you to use specific mons that more often than not loses to a different but just as viable set makes it overcentralizing

[unborn pine]

if its a 50/50 situation its gonna be annoying

i mean thats why they want to ban kyurem on regular

and why volcarona was banned at first

does physdef clefcune live 2 poryvern booms?

[odd kiln]

no

252 SpA Adaptability Porygon-Z Boomburst vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Registeel: 214-252 (54 - 63.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

specs ohkos 50% of the time after rocks

[unborn pine]

252+ SpA Choice Specs Adaptability Poryvern Boomburst vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Clefcune: 486-574 (122.7 - 144.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO

ouch

252+ SpA Choice Specs Adaptability Poryvern Boomburst vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Snorsand: 350-414 (73.8 - 87.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
I'm suprised I haven't lost any games to this mon if it literally 2 hits my entire team except for the ghost

and the ghost in question gets destroyed by meteor
252+ SpA Choice Specs Adaptability Poryvern Draco Meteor vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Chandelbi: 452-534 (129.5 - 153%) -- guaranteed OHKO

I think I just always relied on this outspeeding

which isnt a good idea when they can just be scarf (which still 2 hits all my mons)

252+ SpA Adaptability Poryvern Draco Meteor vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Chandelbi: 316-374 (90.5 - 107.1%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO

and one hits the only ghost

its very prediction reliant stuff
are they switching to the ghost or the fairy

honestly worth running a ghost/fairy for

[deft oasis]

I usually run Clefable/Doublade with Eviolite to stop physical sweepers via Spectral Thief, but it also doubles as a Poryvern counter due to immunity to Boomburst and Draco Meteor; that being said I also personally think it's too overcentralising

[unborn pine]

Sylvern I think is more bearable, but Poryvern has too much raw power even if both of it's stabs have immunities

252+ SpA Choice Specs Pixilate Sylvern Boomburst vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Clefcune: 393-463 (99.2 - 116.9%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO

weird

I've always switched into this tanking at least 2

252+ SpA Pixilate Abra Boomburst vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Abra: 262-310 (66.1 - 78.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
thats more like it

people just dont like running specs i guess

252+ SpA Pixilate Sylvern Boomburst vs. 252 HP / 172+ SpD Regimence: 84-99 (22.4 - 26.4%) -- possible 5HKO after Leftovers recovery

[deft oasis]

do people usually run Modest? I'd never consider it since it means always losing a 1v1 mirror against a Timid Poryvern/Sylvern

[unborn pine]

I would personally run timid specs but modest shreds

here's one of my ou staples (I have 1 good team which I keep modifying and this guy has been on it for a very long time)
Is there anything that does what this does better?

[pure breach]

Do you have a format selected?

[glacial bane]

https://tenor.com/view/shuckles-roll-out-pokemon-herd-walking-crawling-gif-11718961

[pure breach]

at the top of your team

no worries

ye

what format are you in?

Wobbuffet doesn't exist in gen 9 is the issue

may I ask what your goal is? Are you looking to play with friends, or ladder?

[viscid skiff]

late but out of curiousity, what are you trying to go for? just a good bulky hazard checker?

[fast blade]

I knew Alakazam shouldn't be illegal!!!!!

My dreams have come true!

[mint ice]

This thing seems terrifying

[unborn pine]

just a very bulky steel flying with hazard removal
I mainly chose salamence for reliable recovery and Intimidate, which makes me have to invest in defense less

[odd kiln]

berserk only activates when the opponent brings you below 50%

[mint ice]

Welp

Might change that then

I really like the Fillet Away/Stored Power tho

[unborn pine]

really? not specified

[odd kiln]

yes

berserk: {
        onDamage(damage, target, source, effect) {
            if (
                effect.effectType === "Move" &&
                !effect.multihit &&
                (!effect.negateSecondary && !(effect.hasSheerForce && source.hasAbility('sheerforce')))
            ) {
                this.effectState.checkedBerserk = false;
            } else {
                this.effectState.checkedBerserk = true;
            }
        },
        onTryEatItem(item) {
            const healingItems = [
                'aguavberry', 'enigmaberry', 'figyberry', 'iapapaberry', 'magoberry', 'sitrusberry', 'wikiberry', 'oranberry', 'berryjuice',
            ];
            if (healingItems.includes(item.id)) {
                return this.effectState.checkedBerserk;
            }
            return true;
        },
        onAfterMoveSecondary(target, source, move) {
            this.effectState.checkedBerserk = true;
            if (!source || source === target || !target.hp || !move.totalDamage) return;
            const lastAttackedBy = target.getLastAttackedBy();
            if (!lastAttackedBy) return;
            const damage = move.multihit && !move.smartTarget ? move.totalDamage : lastAttackedBy.damage;
            if (target.hp <= target.maxhp / 2 && target.hp + damage > target.maxhp / 2) {
                this.boost({spa: 1}, target, target);
            }
        },
        flags: {},
        name: "Berserk",
        rating: 2,
        num: 201,
    },```

the function that boosts spa by 1 fails if the source of the damage was the target itself

[feral anchor]

If you want to boost at 50% use power construct instead

[odd kiln]

i assume this is ndou

[feral anchor]

Oh damn power construct is banned, sad day
Was about to say 10%

(Use wishiwashi)

[mint ice]

Yeah, I usually play NDOU

[feral anchor]

Makes sense, ag strats arent usually fun to fight

[unborn pine]

idk

priority when it exists:

dont think this is gonna work

[odd kiln]

power whip into the alomoblade and do 50% then die to thief

[feral anchor]

No wonder why people dont use veluza

[languid lichen]

Are people mostly playing regional or natdex?

[mint ice]

It's pretty evenly split

I've personally never seen why you would play regional over natdex, but to each their own

[languid lichen]

Im not super experienced with the whole system, whats the difference from a mon being the head or the body?

[mint ice]

I'm pretty sure for the purposes of Showdown, it's just whenether it uses the primary or secondary type

[languid lichen]

Ah i see

[feral beacon]

how is it that the meta keeps on shifting out from under me

i'm trying to adapt i'm trying my best

(it is not working)

[feral anchor]

thats what happens when you have over 1000 viable pokemon in a format

[thick axle]

How good is shuckle in gen 7 OU?

WAIT, FINALLY ANOTHER STICKY WEB USER WOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[feral beacon]

reasonable

[odd kiln]

shuckle is like mid

main established use is fusing with hawlucha for webs rocks taunt and contrary sets are relatively underexplored but most of the ones ppl use are bad

[mint ice]

Just curious, everyone who plays gen 7 over gen 9, any reason?

[odd kiln]

maybe just liking sprites

[feral anchor]

its the one shown on youtube so everyone plays it

[hexed umbra]

Why were mons unbanned during a suspect test?

[odd kiln]

they were supposed to be unbanned a long time ago

[amber inlet]

doesn't anyone know if using eviolite on a fused pokemon boosts the whole fusions stats, or just the unevolved part

like If I do a doublade body and Blissey head, is that thing going to get its spd buffed as well?

[odd kiln]

yes

[amber inlet]

well damn

[languid lichen]

Bro out here using dragon rush 💀

[languid lichen]

outrage is generally considered better than dragon rush purely on accuracy

[mossy violet]

idk why my brain thought the most important thing was the chat

"peak of rooster"

[mossy violet]

something we can relate to

hm

whats the first mon doing there

yea

[languid lichen]

If you want a community more dedicated to normal Smogon, you could go to the OverUsed discord server :)

[uncut lodge]

eviolite works on a mon that has one evolved half and one not evolved half, right?

like dusclops/cradily works with eviolite, right?

[lost galleon]

Yes

[undone surge]

Yes! but its a 1.25x defense/spdef boost instead

[fast elm]

no actually

its 1.5x

we originally coded it with 1.25x but then got confirmation from the creator of the game that its 1.5

[undone surge]

ah i see, interesting

last time i read it from the wiki it said 1.25x

https://pokepast.es/05b2b008fc87868c anyways somebody help me fit stealth rocks into this originally entei-garchomp had it but it never pressed it in most scenarios x-x

honestly its working surprisingly well lol

[hexed umbra]

I would change Latias/Bewear, it can't touch ghost types at all and any fighti by resist with recovery walls it for eternity

[undone surge]

fair, honestly i thought it was funny cause physical attackers couldnt really touch it

honestly idfk what im supposed to put in the 6th slot i kept changing it

[lost galleon]

Special attackers are a lot more common than physical attackers in IF OU based on my experience.

[undone surge]

tangrowth rachi and clef suicune have been cutting it for me so far :)

[hexed umbra]

I would make it a ghost resist, currently the only ghost resist you have is PZ/Dragonite

[fast blade]

Is it really possible to get shadow tag chandelure???

[dull plaza]

Yes, since Chandelure has its Gen 5 abilities so how you would get Infiltrator is how you get Shadow Tag

[fast elm]

hi! you know a lot ab game mechanics

is there perma weather in game?

and does disguise reset on switch out?

[feral anchor]

Yes

[feral anchor]

Yes

[fast elm]

cool

this is the first I hear of it

[feral anchor]

I can show you a vid of disguise

But i dont have one for weather rn

[fast elm]

ok no need

and this is on patch 6.0?

[feral anchor]

Yes

[fast elm]

crazy

this will probably do some weird stuff to the meta

[feral anchor]

To clarify on weather, only an ability summoning weather will make it perma weather, moves will still last the 5/8 turns

[fast elm]

oh thats weird

ok

[feral anchor]

Ttar using sand storm will have it last 5 turns but sand stream is perma until another weather is used

Anything else?

[fast elm]

ok so kinda annoying to code but whatever

no i haven't heard anything lese

but if you spot anything different/missing just lmk here

[feral anchor]

Alright, thanks. Have a good day

[fast blade]

Okay that makes sense

[odd kiln]

thats just how it works in gen 3-5

you can copy the code from there

it would just be like if weather source was ability then duration = 0 else duration = (relevant rock held) ? 8 : 5

unrelated question but will if dex changes be reflected in nd

[dull plaza]

Hidden Power can be multi-typed and can only be between 68-70 power as far as I know

But trying to figure out the code to implement this will (most likely) be hell

[vivid junco]

Wtf

So it all 3 types?

[dull plaza]

Yeah

[vivid junco]

😭

[dull plaza]

But it’s like Flying Press in that it is trash

Like “Congrats on being Fire/Electric/Ice type, now you can’t hit ground”

[vivid junco]

Thats not really that trash

[dull plaza]

They can still be single type too btw

[tribal trellis]

nah but if you choose you can do actual stuff with it

[fast elm]

nah the rule i kinda decided on is natdex is just vanilla mons with fusions and if dex is as close to the base game as possible

[dull plaza]

Fair I can see some use cases for multi-types

[odd kiln]

ic

if its a multitype like ground/ice or ground/fairy its not too bad

[fast elm]

i probably son't implement the multitype hp

[tribal trellis]

yea that's understandable

[fast elm]

since at the end of the day its 70bp and its also gonna be annoying to find out the iv spreads for each of the new typed ones

weathers i think will def be done though

probably after the suspect since i've changed enough during it lmao

[odd kiln]

will you make hp 70 bp though

[fast elm]

sure

[odd kiln]

do you know how it chooses

[odd kiln]

1000 roserade set death (zased)

[dull plaza]

How it determines it to be triple typed. No.
Type effectiveness is just literally combined like Flying Press

[odd kiln]

wack

[dull plaza]

Also IVs to determine HP type for normal single types are different too but that’s a different can of Orthworms

[odd kiln]

right

can you do double type or no

oh

[dull plaza]

Nope it’s 1st image

lol 3rd time guessing’s the charm

[deft oasis]

Just curious, do you currently plan on implementing the perma-weather abilities mechanic in IF Dex OU in order to align with the actual IF game? I feel like it's going to make team-building a lot more restrictive if it means necessitating a weather-changing move or ability to counter weather teams

[vivid junco]

Like he said above if dex is gonna be as similaras possible. So I thinm that it probs will happen

[dull plaza]

Yeah only thing not going to reflect IF is Hidden Power and for a good reason (hell to code)

[vivid junco]

Just play nat dex if you don't want perma weather

I think perma weather is cool

[odd kiln]

id rather not have to deal with infinite vcreate boost

[deft oasis]

I understand the novelty of it and I won't object to it but I'm just a little worried that it would cause the entire meta to be filled with just weather teams

[dull plaza]

Gen 5 called they want their Perma-weather back

[dull plaza]

If they are way too overbearing they could be banned

[vivid junco]

What this totally wasnt my first idea

[odd kiln]

uh huh

[fast elm]

yeah ik the weathers would mess things up considerably

but i think i'd rather implement it and then rebalance accordingly

[dull plaza]

V-create suspect test after infinite sun leaked confirmed frfr

[fast elm]

probably drought suspect first but idk

[lost galleon]

I’m reasonably sure that IF does not have permanent weather. My last team in game used a Drought Ninetales fusion and that did not last indefinitely.

It lasted 8 turns with a Heat Rock

[fast elm]

i'm gonna go ahead and ask chardub but its usually hard to get a response

[odd kiln]

then turn on the timer

[feral anchor]

Just wait faster.
If you are tired then you may want to go to sleep then.

21:32 is 9:32 pm???

[lost galleon]

You could always boot up the game and catch a Vulpix in an ability ball to test it yourself.

[fast elm]

I have never installed or played the game

[feral anchor]

I’ll go ingame soon and test

And I’ll record it too

[feral anchor]

@fast elm Proof

[fast elm]

thanks!

[feral anchor]

np

[fast elm]

just confirming once more that thats v6?

[feral anchor]

yea, v6
cant get altaria in v5

[fast elm]

great ok

ig its decided then

[lost galleon]

What does it prove? In fast forward I can’t see when the rain stops.

[feral anchor]

it doesnt stop after 10 turns

even with an item it would have only lasted 8 turns

therefore is infinite

[lost galleon]

Mmm. That’s gonna shake up the meta.

[feral anchor]

speaking of shaking up the meta

[lost galleon]

Welcome back to the weather wars

[feral anchor]

Prankster works on dark types in PIF

(Epicly posts proof)

[lost galleon]

We gonna party like it's Gen V I guess

Watch frikkin Delibird get banned to Ubers because it has a weather setting ability

[feral anchor]

shuckle passing on the tradition of a shit mon being banned to ubers to delibird

[lost galleon]

Also Aurorus

[feral anchor]

either weather's getting banned altogether, weather based abilities are getting eliminated, or Delibird, Aurorus, Politoed, Ninetales, and Tyranitar are all going to be considered ubers level threats

[lost galleon]

Better enjoy my sun team while I still get to have it I guess

[feral anchor]

The players of ou will never see the sun again ||so not much would have changed||

[lost galleon]

Tyranitar, Delibird, and Aurorus might be safe actually. Lycanroc, Sandslash, Dugtrio, and Probopass aren't exactly the most inspiring sand abusers in the world no matter what they're fused with, and the only available hail abusers are ice body Dewgong, Glaceon, Glalie, and Regice, since the evasion boosting abilities are all banned and Slush Rush doesn't exist in this game.

Aurora Veil does exist but its distribution is also extremely limited, and this is hail, not snow, so it's not nearly as good as in Gen 9.

[feral anchor]

i mean both hail and sand basically disable leftovers if you arent immune to it so it's good against stall

[lost galleon]

Manual weather bleh. Can I save the only team I get consistent wins with if I have to set the sun manually?

[feral anchor]

well manual sun will still last the 5-8 turns soo maybe

[lost galleon]

It's just such a huge loss of tempo. Giving the other guy a turn to do whatever they want is bad.

[feral anchor]

well my job of spreading fear and chaos is done

dont forget that ubers is going to be a mess now with infinite weather

and disguise resetting on switch

and prankster going through dark types

[lost galleon]

AG was already a mess this changes nothing

[feral anchor]

now we just need the thing where necrozma can transform as head or body (to lure in noobs to use it) and i'll be content for now

[odd kiln]

wtf happened to if i feel like a victorian child

wait wtf prank hits darks

[feral anchor]

please dont say it like that

[feral anchor]

rapid change and industrialization

[dull plaza]

Welcome to gen 5

[feral anchor]

welcome to hell

[dull plaza]

All type gems are available in IF

[lost galleon]

Oh no type gems

[lost galleon]

Well, this is gonna shake things up

[dull plaza]

You can Ultra Burst Necrozma in IF (Ultra Necro Sprite not working but you get it)

Can't on Showdown

[feral anchor]

You can also do it with necrozma on body, but you cant get any body to transform on showdown

[dull plaza]

Yes I know, the example is just to show/prove

Mentioned it in the bug report thread I made

[hexed umbra]

Infinite weather is going to be insane

[dull plaza]

Yeah and Hawlucha can finally be good with Flying Gem for Unburden

[hexed umbra]

Its a lot worse than terrain seeds, but its definitely at least viable

Whats everyone's opinion on Alakazam (In IF Dex OU) Its a problem imo, extremely weak to priority but nothing likes switching into it depending on the many viable fusions it has

[feral anchor]

infinite fusion with infinite weather?

[odd kiln]

will probably cause an increase in spd darks like toxatar

[lost galleon]

My opinion so far is that it's quite strong. Is it too strong? Tending towards probably not based on what I've seen of it so far? There's a lot of options for fast and extremely hard hitting sweepers in the game.

[fast blade]

What's a good shuckle fusion other than chansey/blissey or giratina

[lapis vessel]

I haven't had much of an issue with it with my focus sash dark type lead mon but its speed with the electrode set makes it hard to stop from volting

[feral anchor]

aegislash

[lapis vessel]

you get any espeed mon out in front of it tho it's over

I've also started running max speed

on my espeed abuser

so I can have the fastest espeeds

I need a tapu lele man 😭

[dull plaza]

Why isn’t this reversed? That one’s literally both stronger and faster

[lapis vessel]

stealth rock

and I really value the electric and water resistances the dragon type has

[fast blade]

But then you only get 46 HP??????

[feral anchor]

who needs hp when you can get all of the defense and then turn it into attack

[fast blade]

Cuz you either have two 4x weakness or get 1 shot by anything cuz you've got 30 HP???

[feral anchor]

weaknesses dont exist, just focus on the super big damage you'll be doing with base 200 atk

[fast blade]

You get like 1 strong STAB Shadow Sneak then die instantly

[odd kiln]

none bc shuckle is bad in ag

[odd kiln]

i think swap has somewhat of a niche as it has more resistances so it can take more hits

that being said aqua jet does nothing

[feral anchor]

only reason why shuckle was even ag was beacause of the scare from bliscle and contrary

other than those two shuckle is trash (still trash even with contrary)

[fast blade]

Didn't they legalize it in OU anyway?

Okay but what's the best option among shuckle users?

Really what I want is something that can set up stealth rock and sticky web effectively, and a bulky shuckle fusion seems like the best choice

[odd kiln]

shuckle hawlucha

you mentioned chansey so i assumed ag

[feral anchor]

real ones use rollout shuckle

[dull plaza]

@feral anchor I just realized there won’t be more multi-types than what we’ve found already since they’re just the triple fusion types lol

[fast blade]

Why?

[odd kiln]

mold

[lost galleon]

I saw an Exeggutor/Shuckle in the test tournament that was okay

Grass/Rock typing isn't complete garbage and it could spam contrary leaf storms

[lapis vessel]

aqua jet is only for super effective coverage against rocks and for priority against ghosts

though a resisted STAB extreme speed might still be doing more than super effective aqua jet keeping priority against ghosts is still valuable

espeed + eq is basically all the coverage you need anyways, I experimented with crunch but it hits fairly limp if it's neutral even at +2

[odd kiln]

most of the good ghost types hit you resisted anyway

[lapis vessel]

I've been seeing some fairy/ghosts running around lately

[odd kiln]

which aqua jet does not kill

90% of those fairy ghosts are fat clef fusions

[lapis vessel]

true

I could drop aqua jet for either facade or roost

[odd kiln]

yeah

[lapis vessel]

espeed already chunks resists for huge so I should probably just run facade

tempted to run dragon dance but SD is too good

I have lost multiple games to my espeeder getting out sped I need a psychic surge mon in my life

[lost galleon]

You do know that Psychic Terrain also shuts down your priority, right?

[lapis vessel]

yeah

its a sacrifice I'm willing to make

priority spam is lowkey annoying in this meta tbh

it's an essential tool in this high powered meta but I do wish there were more ways to play around it not named bruxish

[odd kiln]

there is

its called fat ghosts/steels

[deft oasis]

too add on, defensive Steel/Flying types are also great against most common priority moves too

[hexed umbra]

This, but every extreme speeder that isnt Sylveon/Lucario will run EQ

[lapis vessel]

[odd kiln]

Skinny

[unborn pine]

thats not very bulky

[lapis vessel]

it's a glass cannon

[odd kiln]

whyd you reply to my post then

bc i mentioned fat steels

[lapis vessel]

yeah

I should go back to lurking I feel like I'm just embarrassing myself

[fast blade]

Iron tail if you want even more damage.....

But yeah hits like an absolute truck

Used it in game to a lot of effect

[lapis vessel]

I'd run it but I want to actually hit my moves

[lost galleon]

80% accuracy is bad enough. I’m never using something with less unless I have accuracy fixing.

[dull plaza]

@fast elm I made a list of all IV combos for Hidden Power and the type(s) that translate to that combo

Also Multi-type moves are just like ??? type offensively, but defensively with Protean it works normally

[fast elm]

I appreciate it soup but idk how to tell you that i literally said i'm not gonna implement multitype hp

i'll give it 70bp though

[dull plaza]

I thought you said you wouldn't implement it because you didn't know the exact combos to make them

[fast elm]

i said thats one reasone

sorry if I wasn't clear enough

[dull plaza]

What's the other reason(s)?

[fast elm]

its just too niche a change which involves too much work, I don't think its worth it

and I didn't expect anyone to go out of their way to compile a list like you did

[dull plaza]

Including Fairy type Hidden Power?

[fast elm]

even that is a hassle to add but i'll look into it at some point

everything about hidden power is annoying to deal with in the code

especially on a client that will have other games on it too

[dull plaza]

Ok that's fair. I can understand that.

[fast elm]

i'm sorry

i didn't mean to make you spend so much time on that

[dull plaza]

It's okay, I needed it for something else anyways so not complete waste of time.

Should I put in a bug reports post at least so it can easily be found if you change your mind?

[fast elm]

sure thats a good idea

[dull plaza]

Done

[fast elm]

thank you

sorry about that

[odd kiln]

itd be possible to implement this in a script thats independent of the rest of the metas

the main issue would be that youd have to modify the client to edit the ivs to the desired hp type or just leave players to find the list of ivs to types to look up for themselves

[hexed umbra]

Jirachi/Entei can be Heatran with recover now

And thats a decent Gengar buff. Dark types really going up with these changes

[lost galleon]

Personally, I find that Entei is so good offensively as to make it difficult to justify a defensive set.

[odd kiln]

but the best dark to pair with gengar has levitate already

also idt jirachientei has enough bulk to really justify ff

[hexed umbra]

I dont think Jirachi/Entei is that good, but its used a decent amount as a Sylvern counter (now it walls it even harder lol)

[hexed umbra]

What fusion is this? nvm didnt see dark. I havent seen any Hydreigon/Gengars?

[deft oasis]

I've been using Jirachi + Typhlosion/Entei (Flash Fire) for a week or two now, and while it's not a catch-all special wall, it does a pretty good job at stopping most special attackers in their tracks, and when physical attackers try to switch in they can potentially be on the receiving end of a nasty Lava Plume burn

It definitely has its flaws and in some matches it can be borderline useless (notably against Rain or Sand teams), but I definitely think there is some valid reason to use it

[rough timber]

hey guys

anyone on?

test my team

[vivid junco]

It is time

[tiny sapphire]

how does one participate in showdown? I won't be able to today but maybe next time i can

[fast blade]

It seems this pin needs updating

[viscid skiff]

GL everyone

[hexed umbra]

Missed tournament start...

[viscid skiff]

you're all going to murder my baby

[mint ice]

When are we getting Natdex Doubles OU?

[fast elm]

like tmrw

just fixed if dex doubles tiers 5 minutes ago

[pliant lantern]

Sweet

[oak spruce]

Why am I seeing so much cheese on Nat dex doubles. I’m just trying to play

[pliant lantern]

Because ou is coming up soon and people are trying to figure out a lot of cheese Strats to use for it

[feral anchor]

Fun < Winning

[pliant lantern]

Wrong

Fun < winning < catching someone off guard with your 1/1 million niche team

[feral anchor]

why have a cool and interesting team when you can just put regieleki on fucking everything

[pliant lantern]

Why have a fun interesting team when you can just you calyrex shadow with regileki

With choice specs

Or life orb

[feral anchor]

at this point being faster or having super strong prio is a must

[pliant lantern]

Don’t forget the eevoboost swop at

Swoobat*

With baton pass

[pliant lantern]

I used to just bring an unaware sunsteel striker for these scenarios

[feral anchor]

https://replay.pokeathlon.com/#&player=narkoths&replay=malakhi9-narkoths-1708716424400

[pliant lantern]

Which one should I watch

[feral anchor]

you can probably guess after seeing the teams

[pliant lantern]

I’ve gone against all those people before

And beat them all

I will agree that that rayperior team can be annoying

Or serquaza whatever it is, it’s annoying

Especially if they get a free swap into dracovish

[feral anchor]

those teams are just frustrating to even look at

no creativity whatsoever... you could have at least had the decency to not have two of the EXACT SAME POKEMON on the team

[pliant lantern]

This is my team

Tbf it’s not two legendariws

It’s just two snorlaxes

And it’s because I didn’t want To use arches when he was clearly a better choice for Batman

Arceus*

[feral anchor]

the legendaries are fine... just what do you need 2 snorlax for? just use terapagos...

also the drifblim ditto, just use chansey or blissey

[pliant lantern]

They can’t learn imprison

[feral anchor]

oh, you're doing that

[pliant lantern]

People keep telling me that lol

I shut down any stupid setup sweepers

The who’s team is built around rage fist snorhilape

[feral anchor]

in that case why do you have unburden

[pliant lantern]

For knockoff, also I couldn’t find a better ability

He ain’t surviving a knock off but whatever

[feral anchor]

aftermath?

[pliant lantern]

Ehh, maybe

I’m suprised you haven’t commented on the nasty ho-Oberon

Ho-orworm

[feral anchor]

that worm is fine

[pliant lantern]

My poor opponents never see the earth eater coming

[feral anchor]

they dont know what an "orthworm" is

[pliant lantern]

Anyways, I also don’t run all recommended EVs on my team aswell last I checked

[feral anchor]

ho-orthworm's days are numbered.

[pliant lantern]

Nah

I’ll force him to live like the gen 7 ou kids force shedinja to live

Ag*

Not ou

[pliant lantern]

His days are numbered at infinity

I love my sweet child hee hee

[feral anchor]

also, shed tail for what? that basc fuse isnt going to do much even with setup without most of it's team dead since its obvious whats going to happen when you have 2 pokemon left

[pliant lantern]

Shed tail for save switches because my team is decentl frail

Basculegion can survive two hits with that sun which is enuf to set up atleast two d dances and use sun steel strike or last respects

[feral anchor]

if you say so then...

welp im out

[pliant lantern]

Anyways gtg I’m tired

[worn otter]

hwy guys, does pokeathlon not work on firefox? it just wont load for me

it's just stuck on loading client

[pure breach]

It should

Sometimes it gets stuck in loading if there’s a poor commection

Have you tried connecting again?

[worn otter]

yeah it worked

thanks

[dull plaza]

Just found out, Flygon has Dry Skin in IF.

So now another ability change update woohoo

And did I say only Chandelure had Shadow Tag instead of Infiltrator, nope it’s the entire line. Sorry yosh

[edgy halo]

What is showdown ?

[fast elm]

a pokemon competitive battle sim

heres the main one https://play.pokemonshowdown.com

abd here is the one thats modded for infinite fusion https://play.pokeathlon.com

[mossy violet]

gg

[tiny wadi]

fastest win in history perchance

[fast blade]

Are people ever gonna make an up to date list of the viable fusions in the meta or like a viability list

[pliant lantern]

I once won turn 2

same way basically

except he forfeited on turn 2

he was playing a simple volacarona and i one shot it after it quiverdanced

[dull plaza]

I had a metronome battle end turn 1 because my Mega Heracross exploded turn one killing the opponents Mon and then they exploded their other mon, leaving just my one left.

[fair karma]

Who do we think is the best, most broken fusion? Azumawak is an obvious one, but what else?

Pure power

[odd kiln]

shedinja

chansey ditto

[fast blade]

Maroceus with thick club boosted STAB Espeed is up there

[fair karma]

Damn

That’s pretty good

[fair karma]

Wouldn’t blissey be better

[hexed umbra]

Eviolite

[dull plaza]

I think its because Eviolite works even after transformation for some reason if I'm remembering correctly

[fair karma]

Oh that’s busted

Noivern porygon z too

[sturdy cradle]

he's gonna need a lot of chapstick

[fair karma]

Yo, has this happened to you guys? I built this guy on showdown and debugged him in, and his stats aren’t the same.. idk why?

[hexed umbra]

Everything is off by 2 (except spdef), probably something to do with ivs

[sturdy cradle]

ping a mod for a prize since you have Debug

[fair karma]

Wdym

[autumn magnet]

I confirmed I got the same stats as BumRush setting up the same pokemon with the same ev and iv distribution.

Not necessarily sure which is right/wrong (I would assume the game is right) but one is off

[hexed umbra]

Just checked daena and the base stats are correct

Maybe the formula always rounds down?

If you have a pokemon with 1 more base defence does it have 304?

[autumn magnet]

No idea who has 104 base defense or I would try 😅

[fair karma]

This is rly weird and kinda cool

I hope it gets solved!

[hexed umbra]

Just checked, a pokemon with 102 base defence would have 302 defence

So the in-game base stat formula likely always rounds down, however the showdown and daena calculator don't

[hexed umbra]

Anyone up for an IF dex OU game? I just need 1 more game to get reqs

Got reqs!

[vocal bolt]

Nobody playing in Doubles OU Nat Dex 😔

[tiny wadi]

palafin moved to Uber within like one hour since I last played :noway: I just used him!!

[dull plaza]

No way, a water type with 160 attack, 100 speed, decent bulk, and amazing signature priority move would be broken? :shocked:

[pliant lantern]

who hurt you enough to cause you to create such a monster

[tiny wadi]

yo

[tiny wadi]

when does it start?

[lapis vessel]

I'm putting this on my tombstone

jokes aside ggs to everyone who participated, it was a fun tourney

[sturdy cradle]

I realize where your pfp comes from

[lapis vessel]

[agile garnet]

How do I access this in showdown

[odd kiln]

http://play.pokeathlon.com/

[fair karma]

Lmao

[low basalt]

i have somehow reached 40th on the ladder using a single team

[pliant lantern]

it was whitney wasnt it

[serene arch]

anyone realised that aegickle is a monster

[sturdy cradle]

Played against it twice and it was mid af

[serene arch]

Stance change with 203 def

And 26 speed

[low basalt]

that typing tho....

[serene arch]

If it was betteer typing

[fair karma]

It was me trying to dominate the ladder lol

[sturdy cradle]

Most teams have a Steel, and since the Sacred/Secret Sword isn’t STAB it ends up being weaker than you want it to

[agile garnet]

Not many people on this are there?

[fast elm]

lmao

tell your friends

its already the current biggest side server so idk what else we can do

[dull plaza]

I wonder when the next ability update will come out

[tribal trellis]

ah really?

nice

showdown> if showdown > everything

[silent ginkgo]

Ah yes the Boomburst ban

[tiny wadi]

whats the boomburst?

[silent ginkgo]

Well Boomburst is a Normal special attack pretty good one too

[tiny wadi]

?

whats a boomburst suspect test

[silent ginkgo]

It's a test to see if the move needs to be banned or not they do it for pokemon too

[tiny wadi]

ok.

[silent ginkgo]

If the pokemon overperforms or the move overperforms it is banned into Ubers or the move is banned from being used in competitive

[tiny wadi]

Imma test it

[silent ginkgo]

So a Pokemon in Ou will be banned into a Ubers if they overperform

Recently Archduraudon got banned to Ubers

[tiny wadi]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[silent ginkgo]

The gameplan for it is throat spray tera normal into Boomburst

[odd kiln]

#showdown-announcements message

[tiny wadi]

I already know now but thx

How are two of my favorite bug types banned

[scenic turret]

How does one join said test?

Sorry, I'm new

[odd kiln]

seems you were late unfortunately

the tournament started in the lobby 9 mins ago

you can still ladder on the ou ladder though

[scenic turret]

ok, im not sure what any of this means but hopefully i can try again next time. I'll have to research all of these terms

I'm like new to the whole showdown tournaments and stuff, just used to play casually

[odd kiln]

basically when you join lobby youll see this but with a button that says join

so you just login with an account and join

if you want to ladder use the battle button for if dex ou

you will need to play at least 25 games and win at least 80% of them

[pliant lantern]

i have a feeling its gonna be in Uber limbo

[mystic shale]

hi

[sturdy cradle]

hello

[tiny wadi]

just met perhaps the most sadistic player in this game

78 turn battle btw

[odd kiln]

78 is rookie numbers

[tiny wadi]

its only 78 cause i let him win

[odd kiln]

bros just saying theyre a stall player in a funny way

[tiny wadi]

i couldve went for like 150

[tiny wadi]

but he said it like a irl serial killer

https://tenor.com/view/que-gif-27530657

and he was saying more shit like "reminds them of the inevitability of death" LIKE

[odd kiln]

just edgy stuff

[empty pendant]

"I'm 14 and this is deep" ass posting

[tiny wadi]

Real

[tribal trellis]

yea 78 is a number you can get without playing stall

[unborn pine]

78 is not at all high

compared to this

this is how it ended :P

[odd kiln]

whats a torterra doing here

[modest cliff]

Why would either of you do this

[odd kiln]

good way to farm wins in low ladder

[hexed umbra]

How do you imposter proof offensive pokemon without judgement + plate?

[sturdy cradle]

Substitute or Illusion

[odd kiln]

by using another mon

[silent ginkgo]

Honestly one of my favorites

[sturdy cradle]

happy happy happy

[unborn pine]

Yeah we both had giratina/zoroark with roar to counter the rare substitute or imposter mons

[unborn pine]

Don't remember
I think it had roar too specifically for the ditto mirror

And rocks which ended up being more of a detriment than helping because the chantos could also transform into torto

[unborn pine]

He's so happy
What ability are you using on it?

[silent ginkgo]

Multiscale

Dragon dance with ESpeed

This one is one of my favorites

With the right building both defense stats pass 400

Now it is probably one of the slowest mons in the game and has no atk power but this thing is really hard to kill unless you are packing a fire move

[unborn pine]

I know it's Shu-Thorn but it looks like it wants whoever it's looking at to shut

Noctowl doesn't become Normal Type when fusing right? I wanted to see if you could fuse it with Noivern for tinted lens boomburst

[pure breach]

All Normal/Flying types pass the flying type

[odd kiln]

actually why do i post this here

[fast blade]

When using a thick club Marowak fusion, would it be preferable to use intimidate to have more dragon dance opportunities or to just have Moxie to get more boosts without needing to setup?

[odd kiln]

neither mence nor gyara sound good

[oak spruce]

Hey what’s a good item on oranguru

[ember nova]

Hey, just curious.

Who made the Pokemon Showdown Infinite Fusion mod?

Cuz I had a wild idea...

So, I assume at least some people have heard of infinite craft, right?
That AI powered site that allows you to fuse any two 'elements' into anything.

What if that same technology could be used to power a Pokémon showdown mod of some sort?

Here's my idea: What if you could put any name in its name slot. Like, litterally any combination of letters, numbers and symbols, and AI would spit out a Pokemon with types, moves, abilities, and stats based on the prompt.

No idea where else I could post this to get out my idea.

[silent ginkgo]

Anyone know some good fusions with Tyranitar for Ou?

[sturdy cradle]

Toxapex, Gengar, Hydreigon are some

[silent ginkgo]

Ooo I'll definitely try them out

[tiny wadi]

coward couldnt handle the gogoat sweep

[silent ginkgo]

Ngl pretty nasty fusion for a random battle 😭

[dull plaza]

Quiver Dance Aggron actually being useful

[fast blade]

Very interesting set

[silent ginkgo]

The one time it works when it's not a fully evolved aggron and you have to hold evolite😭

[odd kiln]

basically impossible to code using showdown client

theres no support for a generative ai and implementing it would be like monumentally difficult

if not impossible due to memory constraints

bc youd have to implement a large language system that translates any string of characters to stats

[rose arch]

is it possible to do fused pure hackmons

[ember nova]

Damn, there goes that idea...

[sturdy cradle]

Who you calling for 38 minutes

[oak spruce]

Why is it so dead on Pokémon IF showdown

[silent ginkgo]

My friend he was the person I fought in the match

[silent ginkgo]

Ooo flygon dry skin opens up alot of ideas now

[tame crow]

is Ultra Necrozma not an option in the sim? Can't seem to figure out how to get it to work if it is

[odd kiln]

not an option rn

how does it work ingame

[dull plaza]

Use Photon Geyser while holding Necrozium. I’m pretty sure it only works if fused.

[ember nova]

Hmm, but what about a fan game?

[odd kiln]

idk but probably also super difficult

[tame crow]

necrozium doesn't exist in the sim.

[dull plaza]

Yeah I know. I replied to a message asking how it’s supposed to be ingame.

[ember nova]

No doubt it would be.
But it might be possible.

[fast blade]

Flare boost reshiram is weird. Is that possible to get in game?

[dull plaza]

It’s its hidden ability ingame

[pliant lantern]

"Unfortunate" doesn't begin to describe my series, this game rewards blind luck and nothing else

said that in the chat after I got frozen from icepunch

they said, "its literally random"

how does one not get the joke there

[cedar mortar]

Tbf I wouldn’t have gotten the joke a year or two ago lol

I think a lot of casual Pokémon enjoyers are playing on IF showdown and that’s really just a competitive meme lmao

[pliant lantern]

oh

fair enough

honestly I lowkey think IF is better for people learning how to make a team

it may feel overwhelming but in reality its more freeing because you really arent limited to all the specific abilities

[cedar mortar]

That’s honestly a hard agree from me

I feel like I’ve gotten a little better at building teams since I’ve started playing IF showdown

Tbf though the team I’m using has a lot of swap moves on it to help move around better and it still feels like it can be a lot stronger lol

I can get why people hate parting shot for sure but ong it’s such a good swap move lmao

[pliant lantern]

exactly

[undone surge]

I love using dual chop, somehow has worse accuracy than focus blast

[cedar mortar]

Honestly, if it isn’t 100% accuracy, it’s 50% accuracy