showdown-general

[feral beacon]

YES! that's what i've been trying to say but i don't know enough to say it convincingly

here, you tag in

i have things to do today

[livid delta]

tag, you're it

[sullen ore]

I dont think it's too big of a deal yet tbh
Spamming one mon for a whole team isnt gonna be that good a choice (like a mono dnite squad itself is weak to sylveon)

Most of the mons i think could viably be doubled up on should probably just be banned anyways

[livid delta]

mono dnite squad when stealth rock

[torn jay]

well then ig jirachi is banned

[livid delta]

remove species clause so my all shedinja fusion team can play

[vocal bolt]

Species clause being the only thing holding together AG from being unplayable

[sudden prawn]

Thoughts on limiting duplicate items?

[fast elm]

lmao its getting removed next time the server restarts

[fast elm]

we're looking at limiting duplicate abilities

item clause in singles is pretty weird

[sudden prawn]

Very interesting

[sullen ore]

Duplicate items never really were an issue in singles tbh

Kinda just screws people over for running two leftovers

[fast elm]

but an ability clause would break up regen cores and spam in general

[vocal bolt]

Wait what's getting removed?

[sudden prawn]

I was thinking in terms of 1 Eviolite per team, so it doesn’t get banned

[fast elm]

species clause in ag

[sullen ore]

(old gens, 2 and 3, are different since leftovers is the only viable item on 90% of mons lol)

[fast elm]

yeah the problem is every other item not needing to be limited

[vocal bolt]

@livid delta your Shedinja squad will be real then

[vocal bolt]

And it won't be added to OU either I assume?

[fast elm]

no there is a fusion species clause in ou

[livid delta]

[fast elm]

that blocks more than one specific fusion

[livid delta]

finally, bug/steel, normal/ghost and dark/ghost shedinja will be real

3 shedinja fusions with only a single type/weakness

[vocal bolt]

Fair enough

[fast blade]

Nah b I'm at chipotle

[haughty plaza]

as someone new to the metagame, i have a quick little question
what are some of the most common offensive threats in ou

[prime furnace]

Sylnite (Sylveon) @ Choice Band
Ability: Pixilate
Fusion: Dragonite
Alt: b
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature

• Extreme Speed
• Double-Edge
• Fire Punch
• Earthquake

I saw people talking about dragonite in here so I had to show this

[sudden prawn]

Sylveon Pixelate, adaptability extreme speed and adaptability in general, Stab extreme speed.

You need an answer to strong normal moves, strong fairy moves, and a way to break some of the bulkiest walls imaginable (pack fire and electric at the very least)

[haughty plaza]

sounds very scary but ok

[wary flame]

Once you know the meta it’s mostly fine

[prime furnace]

This is basically what they are mostly talking about @haughty plaza

[haughty plaza]

Outdate (Chandelure) @ Life Orb
Ability: Adaptability
Fusion: Porygon-Z
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Overheat
• Flamethrower
• Shadow Ball
• Signal Beam

do you think this would be good

thinking about maybe adding blizzard?

or maybe infiltrator?

[wary flame]

Blizzard has 70% chance to hit

[haughty plaza]

fair

[wary flame]

No Adaptability is good

[haughty plaza]

ok

[wary flame]

Is there a any other moves over single beam

[haughty plaza]

actually just rwealized ice beam is a possibility so thats prolly much better than blizzard

[haughty plaza]

signal beam is what i found to be the highest bp move super effective against dark

[wary flame]

Does it not get dazzling glen?

[wary flame]

It is

[haughty plaza]

its only fairy move is hidden power

[wary flame]

Hun thought one of them got it

[haughty plaza]

which is better overheat or flamethrower

im not sure if the sp. atk drop is worth it or not

i think ill remove flamethrower this guy isn't living very long anyway

[prime furnace]

My team so far
https://pokepast.es/a3871f7945d9132e

[sudden prawn]

I like it! Run through some OU and see how it does/what changes could help

[outer tusk]

so many shedinjas today

[prime furnace]

I think I want to replace it

the clefblade I mean

[outer tusk]

Anyone else making monotype teams?

[rigid hatch]

https://if.daena.me/artists/ninguém%233567/

What is the best competitive poke in here?

[midnight summit]

All my teams keep unintentionally turning into mono-steel/ghost

They're just really good type combos I guess

[outer tusk]

shuckle/aegislash and vaporeon/blissey are very good

they've carried me a few times

[torn jay]

fiary types ( sylveon ) is very good rn but theirs alot of steel types running around

[spark mulch]

😳

[midnight summit]

NatDex has been 10x more fun that gen 7 so far imo

Shame most of the mons there are never getting sprites lol

[haughty plaza]

another mon i want opinions on
Luchadora (Hawlucha) @ Choice Band
Ability: Pixilate
Happiness: 0
Fusion: Sylveon
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Frustration
• Double-Edge
• Superpower
• Flying Press

[wary flame]

Eh it’s fine not have any priorities is not good tho

[autumn birch]

Howabt this?
Tinkaquaval (Tinkaton) @ Choice Band
Ability: Mold Breaker
Tera Type: Steel
Fusion: Quaquaval
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Flip Turn
• Gigaton Hammer
• Aqua Cutter
• Play Rough

[haughty plaza]

yeah now that i think about it thats no good

how bout this

Luchadora (Hawlucha) @ Choice Band
Ability: Pixilate
Happiness: 0
Fusion: Sylveon
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Frustration
• Double-Edge
• Superpower
• Quick Attack

[wary flame]

That’s is some Nat dex stuff put it under rain and go off

[prime furnace]

quick attack?..

[autumn birch]

got it

[wary flame]

If good Enough for base sly in vgc It’s good enough here

[haughty plaza]

yeah im p sure its the only priority move hawlveon gets

[fast blade]

Slow and frail, would hit crazy hard though. Could compensate with a scarf. I've ran into Porylure that are scarfed before

[haughty plaza]

ok ive got a scarf

[torn jay]

ive always one shot with a specific fusion

[fast blade]

So many sylveon fusions lol

Would be kinda cool to see refrigerate work with aurorus. Now that we have a new ability in the game it'd be cool to use it

[torn jay]

depending on the meta in the next week, woundt be supprised if sylveon gets banned

[formal mirage]

i really need to jump ship from ou to nat dex, ive been missing boots and loaded dice

[torn jay]

if dex more fun

[formal mirage]

it can be, just feels like i have no choices but leftovers spam

[torn jay]

uhh

not rlly

[prime furnace]

https://pokepast.es/ab5bf7d5b010b1b7

guys

what do I add as my last fusion

[torn jay]

what does your team need

[prime furnace]

i dont know

[formal mirage]

a special attacker

oh wait nvm saw kyurem

[prime furnace]

I need something to deal with special attackers apparently

[formal mirage]

calm minder then

a back up special attacker aswell as special bulk

maybe a reuniclus?

[fast blade]

Maybe run some version of assault vest goodra if you want a switch in to special attackers rather than having to revenge kill them

[formal mirage]

av on goodra is overkill

[torn jay]

Celerel (Celebi) @ Power Herb
Ability: Simple
Fusion: Bibarel
EVs: 252 HP / 220 Def / 36 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Recover
• Psychic
• Surf
• Geomancy

[torn jay]

use this

[prime furnace]

that will be banned soon so no thx

[torn jay]

more of a for now

[prime furnace]

I want something to keep for a while tho

[torn jay]

then play a game

see what you need

[prime furnace]

ok

what should I fuse it with hmm

[fast blade]

If you want a special wall goodra is the move

Goodra/Gliscor is amazing

[formal mirage]

weezing? even more bulk and good type for both offense and defense

[prime furnace]

already have a gliscor

[prime furnace]

what ability

[formal mirage]

levitate for defense, magic gaurd for lo

[prime furnace]

lo?

[formal mirage]

life orb

[prime furnace]

ok

magic guard then

ok now the moveset

[formal mirage]

calm mind
psychic
sludge bomb
focus blast

[fast blade]

Umbreon/Weezing has no weaknesses lol.

[fast blade]

You can have two

[formal mirage]

yeah but no offensive presence, just sits there

[fast blade]

Well it's stall

Like anything else

Chansey/Aegislash is the best fusion in the game possibly and it more or less usually has no offense

[formal mirage]

thats in game, in showdown those are both ubers

[prime furnace]

huh

[formal mirage]

plus that combo has three immunities, better recovery, and defense + special defense, umbreon weezin is just kinda meh in all those

[formal mirage]

magnifique

[fast blade]

Poison/Dark's only weakness is Ground, and it has levitate which prevents it from being hit by ground unless the opponent has mold breaker or turboblaze

[prime furnace]

oh

[prime furnace]

move set?

also whats the item

[torn jay]

V create

[fast blade]

Wish/Protect/Toxic/Foul Play maybe. Nice to have an attacking move, but your attacking stats suck so you can just use theirs. Also it holds it against them to have boosts up.

But you're kind of a counter to prankster uses because you're a dark type, but you may need some kind of a specific counter.

[prime furnace]

what item btw

[prime furnace]

gave it black sludge btw

[glacial bane]

Yooo, thanks for the idea

[torn jay]

I fought this and one shot it

[glacial bane]

oof

[torn jay]

It's defense is lacking, other than that it's pretty good

[flint kayak]

isnt spectral thief physical

[glacial bane]

And?

[fast blade]

Good luck!

[fast blade]

I stole the idea from Demice lol

[glacial bane]

Demice?

[prime furnace]

https://pokepast.es/764edffb231739b9

I hate this stupid ass team

I am redoing it

[torn jay]

It's cause it has Sylveon

[prime furnace]

The sylnite is staying

everything else is going to be remade

[torn jay]

Then your team isn't going to work

[karmic lagoon]

if anyone sees one of my fusions being used feel free to ping me
https://if.daena.me/artists/luxio./

[torn jay]

Sylveon has lots of good fusions, but can hold back a team

[fast blade]

That was quick lol

[torn jay]

I've seen a few of your fusions, their all rlly good

[karmic lagoon]

im really curious to know which ones are good competitively

i dont know shit about competitive

[glacial bane]

Hey guys, can you give me a random (rather unpopular but workable) pokemon to cook with?

[fast blade]

Arbok

[flint kayak]

klefki

[glacial bane]

Ewww

[glacial bane]

For Coil?

[midnight summit]

Wormadam

[flint kayak]

wow ok

you didnt have to respond like that

[glacial bane]

It's sad Arbok's stats are so low or else there would be something you could reliably do

[fast blade]

So here's the thing. There are several moves that are potentially boosted by sheer force with extremely high BP, but they're essentially useless because they're inaccurate. And, in the case of gunk shot, extremely poorly distributed.

Arbok is the only pokemon with access to both STAB Gunk shot, and coil. So it's 70% accurate and 120BP, but with coil this problem is eliminated.

On top of that, all of these moves, again, have secondary effects that are potentially sheer force boosted.

So if you give it sheer force via fusion, you can not only increase its attack stat, but you get 120*1.3=156 BP Gunk shot that can be amped by life orb with no consequences. 156 BP is higher than head smash, Mind Blown, and boomburst.(Absent Pixilate/Adaptability boosts)

And similar things go for iron tail and dragon rush, who are 100 BP, sheer force boosted, and wildly inaccurate.

So if you could potentially make it work with another sheer force user, you could have a nuts amount of firepower. I mean, Landorus was banned with sheer force and 115 on its offensive attacking stat, and only one 90 BP Stab. This theoretical arbok potentially could hit much harder than that

TL;DR: Coil+Gunk Shot+Sheer Force+good stats mon

[glacial bane]

You are asking for a lot, but I see your point

[fast blade]

Yeah it probably still wouldn't work

Arbok just sucks, he got power creeped that's how it be

[midnight summit]

Would seviper not also work?

[fast blade]

Not in the game

[midnight summit]

It probably wouldn't be good, but slightly better than Arbok

Ah, gen7 only then

[solid nest]

this will be my first time making a team, what format should i do?

[haughty plaza]

which one do you wanna do :}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}

[solid nest]

I'll just do AG as it seems the most active

[glacial bane]

Oof, good luck

[solid nest]

thanks

[flint kayak]

how do you guys deal with setup sweepers?

[glacial bane]

Unaware, Revenge Killers, Don't let them Set-Up

[flint kayak]

did i battle you before

[glacial bane]

Maybe?

[torn jay]

Ou is more inviting

[solid nest]

I'll make a team for both formats then, thanks!

[glacial bane]

I hecking love pp stalling

[torn jay]

In the next few weeks, will multiple Pokemon be suspect tested

[midnight summit]

Spore em

[glacial bane]

And that's why I love Dark types

[torn jay]

Depends if you need to setup for more than 1 turn

[haughty plaza]

any ideas for potential support mons

[glacial bane]

What kind of support?

[haughty plaza]

not sure but i dont think healing or hazard support would be great with my current setup

[red temple]

jiraichi

[glacial bane]

So...Defog and or Whirlwind/Roar maybe?

[haughty plaza]

i already have a defogging pivot but whirlwind could work

[glacial bane]

I see

[haughty plaza]

maybe skarmory or celemewchi

[sudden prawn]

Now I wish we had added Bruxish

[silver surge]

arbok rep 🫡

[torn jay]

Skarm/registeal

[glacial bane]

Maybe

[torn jay]

Works pretty well in a still developing meta game

[prime furnace]

I cooked something https://replay.pokeathlon.com/#replay=totalsylv-danielshadow-1700445699761

[flint kayak]

just hit 1300 elo and top 20

feelin good

[torn jay]

I could be 1300 elo If I played

All my matches have just been me theory crafting

[glacial bane]

Just had the worst loss streak of my life

How are you guys

[flint kayak]

Feels bad man

That’s happened to me before

It really, really hurts

[livid delta]

Just win once and retire forever

Shrimple

[flint kayak]

W/L ratio of 1/0, therefore infinity

Life hack

[livid delta]

Make a new account, win once

Retire on a 100% winrate

[ember nova]

You fight someone with this team?

[glacial bane]

...thanks guys

[glacial bane]

No, I lost against decent teams

[ember nova]

Ya ya, alright.

Wanna vs me and put that theory to the test?

[glacial bane]

Sure

Same name in showdown

[ember nova]

Nah.

I have a few usernames.

I use SonderOfAll sometimes.

[astral yoke]

So... uh... your Electrode... since it doesn't have Magic Guard, its Mind Blown has the recoil dmg

[ember nova]

Ya.

I know.

It's there for the surprise factor.

[ember nova]

GG.
I thought I had that in the bag, but my dumbass didn't think to stop clefios from setting up, and also it probably had unaware WHOOPS.

[glacial bane]

It did

So many people don't realize

[ember nova]

Ya that makes sense, so I basically wasted turns power up punching lol.

Rematch?

[glacial bane]

Okay

[ember nova]

Unless you're too tired, in that case no problem

[stray pulsar]

Hi

[austere relic]

Did a randomized battle with my gf for fun

I don’t think she wants a rematch

Revavroom/Ceruledge and Carracosta/Leafeon cornered her hard

[torn jay]

theirs random battles??

[austere relic]

No, we randomized to get 12 Pokemon and then fused them as we decided

[torn jay]

ok

[snow tangle]

Question, how would I report a bug for this?
I had a stupid idea I wanted to test, and I quickly validated to see if it worked, and I got this as a bug

Sorry meant to paste this sc

[autumn birch]

#1175117403219308654

[snow tangle]

Ty

[shell holly]

Hello, Id like to petition swapping Aurorus’ typing position. Head being rock on the refrigerater is really annoying.

Or Hailsetter

Ive been playing around with Aurorus on the showdown and while the abilities are nice, they guarantee you use the objectively worse body for Ice stab over objectively better stats

[prime garnet]

Yeah a lot of people want this change (myself included )

Both in IF and Showdown

Guys hop on Infinte Fusion: Regional Dex [Gen 7] IF Dex Doubles

[fluid tinsel]

Wouldn't you want a head with better sp atk to fuse with aurorus with the ice type body?
Aurorus has a pretty averaging sp atk stat

[winged quest]

https://replay.pokeathlon.com/#replay=timmy2013-pyrosfolly-1700456050802
Honestly? I was expecting to do worse then this, so I'm pretty happy with this loss

[opaque palm]

Out of curiosity, is there a place where you can see all the moveset changes compared to normal Pokemon?

[torn jay]

no clue, because i didnt expect some of the moves used in the battle above

[midnight summit]

Like what moves Pokémon can learn or changes to the moves themselves?

[torn jay]

im fighting regenerator stall rn

[opaque palm]

Was referring to the first, but I found out its from the Expert/Legendary move tutors by luck (and there's a wiki link for it!). Would love to know about the rest as well, though I suspect its in the wiki somewhere as well.

(That being said though, if you have a link I'd greatly appreciate it)

[midnight summit]

https://infinitefusiondex.com/

[midnight summit]

This website lists some level up movesets for fusions, if that helps

[opaque palm]

TYty

[midnight summit]

On a closer look, that websites way more extensive than I thought wow lol

[astral yoke]

Just tested Hone Claws with Mankey Paw, and at +2 accuracy, the accuracy drop from Mankey Paw is negated...
Still... seems kinda trash if u need to waste 2 turns to setup to get accurate crits

[flat mountain]

Could it work for a simple mon?

[astral yoke]

Bibarel is trash. You could give it +2 attack and even with crits it'll still be trash

A crit Draco Meteor or Fleur Cannon from a critdra build i made recently couldn't even OHKO neutral targets

[flat mountain]

Maybe a mon in doubles targeted by simple beam? Or would that be too much set up?

[astral yoke]

Too much effort for too little

crits aren't an end all be all kinda deal

Just wanted to see if i could get Mankey's Paw to be usable

Instead of setting up accuracy, it might be better to use Gravity instead, since it gives +2 accuracy while it's up

[rocky loom]

I tried running Lanturn/Bibarel with Simple Tail Glow. It also didn’t go super well. It’s just too frail/not speedy enough

[outer tusk]

the best bibarel fusion I've met used shell smash, usually omastar

[proven wedge]

Shell smash is banned though

Atleast in ou

[wispy ember]

NOOOOO

About fkn time lmao

was fun while it lasted

[deft oasis]

Mimikyu fusions usable in OU now, nice

[white oar]

that's gonna be something

[wispy ember]

finally a physical fairy type

that doesn't have 50 speed

[white oar]

also rhydon just lost a fuck ton of its value

[wispy ember]

oh am sorry

45

[white oar]

trick room

[autumn birch]

THANK GOD ITS BANNED
but RIP to double iron bash

[autumn birch]

Milian no.

[mighty knot]

it doesn't change anything for me tho

(i play on AG)

[wispy ember]

[white oar]

honestly double iron bash annoyed me more than geomancy

[autumn birch]

natdex or gen 7

[white oar]

mostly because it's obvious and my one singular bug type bodies it

[autumn birch]

I forgor it does 120 BP (Hits twice) with no Downside

[mighty knot]

if dex

gen 7

[white oar]

it was the flinches

I lost games to that shit

[autumn birch]

Oh right it can flinch

[white oar]

it's a horrifying move

[autumn birch]

wait

[white oar]

ambipom/jirachi was ass

[wispy ember]

also, @fast elm, this is under "fixes"

[autumn birch]

isnt it exclusive to Metalmetal?

[white oar]

no

fusion moves

[autumn birch]

...

[white oar]

for example

[wispy ember]

but the 25% for one NFE mon is intentional?

[autumn birch]

oh right

[white oar]

umbreon fusions get access to parting shot

[fast elm]

it was intentional

but we were wrong about how it works in game

[wispy ember]

yeah, that's what I meant

if it's not like that in the game

then I have been lying to people for 6 months

[fast elm]

yeah well we were under that impression too

[autumn birch]

But also
What item do i put on my Tinkaton/quaquaval

[fast elm]

seems it was a common misconception

[wispy ember]

but if eviolite works in a x1.5 manner even for a single NFE mon

buffed one of my mons so

[white oar]

personally believe that dusclops is way too strong a candidate for eviolite to remain NFE

[autumn birch]

Also Dusclops/Dunsparce

which is literally also a tank

[white oar]

also dusclops and fucking toxapex

or dusclops and mew for defog and tanking purposes

it's not okay

[autumn birch]

also

Thank god Archaludon isnt in IF showdown,That thing is gonna be a tank

Wait

is it released yet?

But still its gonna be a Nuisance since that means duraludon can use eviolite.

[white oar]

graveler finally has a reason to be used

not that anyone gives a damn

[autumn birch]

wait why

[white oar]

third highest defense in NFE

Lairon has highest NFE defense at 140
then dusclops at 130
then graveler at 116

highest NFE special defense is dusclops at 130
then sliggoo at 113
then togetic at 105

one of the biggest losers so far is porygon2

with its RU status

[solar kettle]

Graveler seems pretty specific tho

[white oar]

so is rhydon

[white oar]

just use lairon

140 defense vs 116

[autumn birch]

Isnt ground/rock ass?

[white oar]

just swap the rock out

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[solar kettle]

I feel like if u want more stats u want dusclops, not lairon

[white oar]

ground + a lot of things checks out most the time

[white oar]

im aware

130 in both defenses

but there's a niche to be made

so I mention it

[solar kettle]

Graveler is pretty much just ground eviolite, no?

[white oar]

yeah

lairon is just better

i think

[solar kettle]

Which doesnt seem since I think knock is pretty common rn

[white oar]

tangela also took a pretty big L for eviolite + regenerator status

[white oar]

dude half my team ran eviolite and I ran into like 2 people with it

[solar kettle]

Huh

[white oar]

maybe just the times I'm playing

sincerely wish body press existed

[solar kettle]

Thats what natdex is for innit

[white oar]

yeah

but then I have to deal with some of the most traumatizing things imaginable

unrelated but marill just got a way to mitigate its dog water defenses

and with huge power that could do something

[solar kettle]

Im curious, what mon is dominating natdex rn?

[white oar]

i dont do nat dex because newer pokemon have busted abilities

I look at and think of fear

[solar kettle]

Gholden fusions seem insane

[white oar]

shit like gorilla tactics or any of the ruin abilities in AG

or amoonguss

fucking

more regenerator pokemon

[solar kettle]

Is assist revival blessing a thing in NDAG again?

[white oar]

idk

[solar kettle]

That shit was funny

[white oar]

just remembered that slaking is an uber

also im pretty convinced that speed boost ban was extreme

was there an early meta speed bost abuser

because I started like

day 2ish

[solar kettle]

Eh, even if not, theres no way it wasnt gonna go eventually

[white oar]

no but like

really

I can see it being strong

but i can't see it being more broken than gliscor/toxapex shit

and most speed boost users are flimsy

[solar kettle]

Tbh, I think those are mild compared to noivern

[white oar]

ehhh

honestly cant talk too much about noivern

my team is trick room so it just kinda

dies

[solar kettle]

Which one, ur team or the noivern?

[white oar]

it is pretty brutal

noivern typically

if I dont

play bad or be low on trick room turns

I'll lose a mon but I'll scrape by

[solar kettle]

Ig Tr usually packs some ghosts

[white oar]

also a steel type with regenerator

[solar kettle]

Regen is also pretty ridiculous rn

[white oar]

yeah

regen and poison heal should seriously be considered for a ban

because there's enough type diversity on them for it to be possible for someone to PP stall entire teams if they're fucked up enough

[solar kettle]

Arent they banned in AAA?

Tbh the AAA banlist is prolly a good teambuilding guide for now

[white oar]

true

stakeout seems goated for a sweep actually

I'm gonna look into that

[solar kettle]

Huh, regen aint actually banned rn

[white oar]

yeah

it's why I complained

[solar kettle]

And poison heal wasnt in gen 7

[white oar]

gliscor is legal

[solar kettle]

I mean in AAA

[white oar]

oh

huh

neat

[solar kettle]

Im aware gliscor is legal, Im running gliscor lax

[wary flame]

What?

[solar kettle]

It wasnt banned in SuMo AAA

[wary flame]

Ooooo okie okie got it thank you

[thick axle]

Rip double iron bash 😔

[solar kettle]

Tbh illusion seems pretty strong, specially cuz u can stack it

[thick axle]

Welp, rip my trick room team, time to embrace my hyper offense team

[tribal trellis]

Because it wasn't powerful enough, it does exist

[white oar]

not really

illusion isnt coded properly and if the fusion it imitates has a custom sprite it's instantly obvious

because it just shows up as the head

[odd kiln]

stack what

[white oar]

w/o the body

[white oar]

what'd you lose

[solar kettle]

O, then its ass, ye

[odd kiln]

stacking illusion doesnt make much sense

[white oar]

zoroark aint strong enough to justify

[solar kettle]

Is medicham still legal in IfOU?

[odd kiln]

the mon with no stab

[wary flame]

Medicham doest exists

I think&

[white oar]

no

pure power with a not dogwater stat is too much

same with azumarill

the only huge power user to get under the bar is marill

with

a whopping 20 attack

[thick axle]

It did have stab, just forgot to put the fusion format

[solar kettle]

Insane stats

[odd kiln]

why is it first impression and no speed

[thick axle]

Trick room team

[white oar]

it's actually still decent

[odd kiln]

then youd use sd

[white oar]

with an okay attack stat on the fusion it can still reach like 480 attack

[odd kiln]

band means you get forced out by fat waters

[thick axle]

Why, it was outshooting resist mons

[white oar]

this feller here

[thick axle]

550 attack with a boosted tecnician double iron bash was destroying EVERYTHING, and if they somehow survived, they had a really high chance of getting no flinched, but none of it matters now that the move is banned

[white oar]

462 attack and 372 speed thanks to ninjask

[odd kiln]

that looks fake af

[solar kettle]

Why not? Just makes it even harder for ur opponent to see whats in front of em

[white oar]

zoroark is too weak

and fairy types

and bug types

[odd kiln]

bc u have to use 1 specific mon that makes it pretty 1 dimensional

[solar kettle]

Doesnt zoro have baee 105? That seems decent enough

[white oar]

and fighting types

fair

[solar kettle]

U can fix bug and fighting with ghost

[white oar]

but it's likely to get hit hard

[odd kiln]

thats a pretty terrible offensive typing

[white oar]

because 60 defense and sp defense

[solar kettle]

Ye, zoro is a bit of a glass cannon, how bout NDOU hisui zoro?

That gives u normal type to play with

[odd kiln]

ndag means ur dealing with revivecats and tera shed

[solar kettle]

Mb, meant ou

Toss a boomburst on it and it should be vaguely threatening

[odd kiln]

people already have to build for other boombursters in the first place

[solar kettle]

But with zoro u dont know its in front of u

In return for prolly a wet noodle boomburst Ig

[fast blade]

What even learns double iron bash in this game?

Cuz normally it is only melmetal

[thick axle]

Any mon that learns double slap and it’s an iron type gets it

Cuz there is a move tutor for it

[noble helm]

DOUBLE IRON BASHED IS BAN IN OU?

[thick axle]

Cool moves: https://pastebin.com/raw/0p555haP
legendary moves: https://pastebin.com/raw/t0f3RMQj

[torn jay]

is their a list of mons that learn sticky webs

[thick axle]

Use showdown search feature

[torn jay]

kinda inacurate, shiny poryz learns vcreate

[proven wedge]

#Blame Serene Grace

[thick axle]

But it’s galv and ariaods to my knowledge

[thick axle]

Is there even a serene grace mon that learns the move?

[proven wedge]

Jirachi :)

I think. Never used it ngl

[noble helm]

SERENE GRACE?

I USED TECHINICIAN

[proven wedge]

All i see is the silly 100% burn one with entei

[noble helm]

[torn jay]

whats a good sticky web setter ifdex ou

[noble helm]

THIS IS ASS

[thick axle]

Galv with a good support mon

[proven wedge]

60% flinch chance that hits twice goes brrr

[noble helm]

Now i have to rebuild my team

[proven wedge]

Dib is banned though now

[torn jay]

it was litterally unbeatable

unless you got lucky with the 120% flinch

[noble helm]

It was not.

Some pokemon had the outspeed

Heck they'd use earthquake

SOMEHOW outspeed

[torn jay]

well it was very hard to beat

[noble helm]

[torn jay]

i can get to 335 bast speed\

[noble helm]

Bro

Azurill/Dragonite is goated

Extreme STAB via huge power

you'd get 600 BASE attack

BASE!

NO BOOSTS

600 BASE

[torn jay]

just needs screan support

screan support + eveolite?

[proven wedge]

How does huge power give it stab

[noble helm]

Azurill/Dragonite equals Normal/Flying

[proven wedge]

...

[noble helm]

if you give it the ability huge power

it gets stronger

[proven wedge]

Neither of those are normal type my guy

[noble helm]

it is

[torn jay]

5000 vbucks

[noble helm]

[proven wedge]

?????

What

Ohhh azurill

[noble helm]

Always has been

[proven wedge]

Thought azumarill

[noble helm]

[torn jay]

azumarill is UBER

[wispy ember]

Ghost types :

[proven wedge]

But azurill has negative 0 bst

[noble helm]

Just Crunch/bite it, idk

[proven wedge]

That's a terrible idea

[noble helm]

Nuh uh

[proven wedge]

Yuh uh

[noble helm]

By fusion you can get 300 atk and with huge power becomes 600 attack

[noble helm]

I only find 1 ghost type per team normally,

[chilly tendon]

geomancy ban makes me start a new team again

[autumn birch]

Honestly
I need a pokemon that counters the pokemon that counters my pokemon

[proven wedge]

Ghost types as well as the many steel types: lol. Lmao even.

[torn jay]

thats not as good as you think

a kekleon machamp fusion just ate it

[noble helm]

Can wipe 2 pokemon

[autumn birch]

only 2?
weak

[noble helm]

well if good can wipe a good chunk

[snow tangle]

So how many people were abusing no guard ohko moves for them to make no guard not do what the ability states

[noble helm]

Azunite (Azurill) @ Assault Vest
Ability: Huge Power
Fusion: Dragonite
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 SpD
Adamant Nature

• Extreme Speed
• Aerial Ace
• Earthquake
• Fire Punch

This is my fusion

[proven wedge]

Moreso because of mankeys paw

[noble helm]

i thought oh-ko moves are banned?

[snow tangle]

What does Mankeys paw do?

[astral yoke]

Stop showing it 😦
It was made specifically for my Sun team. There are better PoryZ ESpeed users

a V-create that doesn't OHKO an opponent makes it dead weight

[wispy ember]

if only we had a contrary mon

[astral yoke]

If u have Sun up, then yeah, use it, but it's not a "general" Espeed mon

[torn jay]

someone posted a while back

[astral yoke]

Me

Share fusions with a purpose in mind. What works for someone else's team might not work for others

[proven wedge]

Cuts your accuracy in half but increases crit ratio by 3 stages

[snow tangle]

I see

[astral yoke]

Here is a more general (and also pretty popular) Adaptability ESpeed user

[snow tangle]

So why not ban mankeys paw and ohko moves tho

[autumn birch]

GOD I HATE THAT THING SO MUCH

[noble helm]

Adaptability makes STAB 2x right?

[autumn birch]

YES

AND ITS ANNOYING.

[noble helm]

Huge power makes base attack 2x

[autumn birch]

Its a wall

Reinforced steel wall

[astral yoke]

Oops

[proven wedge]

You could ask the same in reverse

[noble helm]

My build

[proven wedge]

Evaporates with 1 hit

[snow tangle]

It just seems like more work to make an ability not work for a select few moves

[noble helm]

Choice band is a nice idea but when you have a ghost

[astral yoke]

I should try that, although instead of Assault vest, have u considered Eviolite now that they give straight up 1.5 for even a single NFE?

[astral yoke]

It's a general build. There's variations like Pixelate ESpeed too

Or my Sun based Entei build

[noble helm]

i hate Slvyeon/Noivern Boomburst

i had to build a pokemon change to that

and counter HARD

[noble helm]

Nice idea

[astral yoke]

Yeah, gives u the advantage of using other moves like Swords Dance

Adding your build to my box now

[noble helm]

Electric/Fighting moves
Nah bro, You dying TONIGHT

I had to delete 2 pokemon cause of the changes of double iron bash

[astral yoke]

With Eviolite, u can move your HP EVs into Def and/or Sp.Def for more bulk

[noble helm]

Nah.

[astral yoke]

The issue is that with that speed, without ESpeed, it's too slow to act

So run into a ghost type, it's ripe for the picking

[noble helm]

It is pretty slow

[astral yoke]

Bruh, pretty slow? That would fall down the stairs faster than it runs

[noble helm]

I never made any bigger plans for that pokemon tbh

It was just an extreme speed demon

[astral yoke]

A +1 speed from DDance can't even make a dent

[noble helm]

What do you want me to do?

Im asking seriously

[astral yoke]

Nothing, just mocking it

[noble helm]

[astral yoke]

If it didn't have problems it would've been banned

[noble helm]

And thats why its goated

Because its balanced

In some godly way

[noble helm]

DO you have any changes for this team? (i dont have other 3 pokemon cause of bans )

[astral yoke]

Fight me and find out, i have to see it in action

[glacial bane]

Just saw the balance changes, stop nerfing me specifically please

[noble helm]

Lets do it

[proven wedge]

skill issue tbh

[glacial bane]

Come on, Double Iron Bash with Serene Grace wasn't an issue :)

[astral yoke]

u accepting or nah, i gotta go out in a quick sec

[autumn birch]

shit.

[fast elm]

sorry... we decide bans by randomly selecting a move ability or item from your current team

[proven wedge]

Yeah surely not

https://tenor.com/view/clueless-gif-24395495

[glacial bane]

So...next change you go for my Gliscor?

[proven wedge]

i would be down for that

[fast elm]

its has the highest total usage in the tier

[proven wedge]

no more annoying poison heal that walls my trevenant/registeel 🙌

[fast elm]

heres the usage of any mon as either body or head in the last 24 hours in ifdexou

[proven wedge]

lmao gliscor is actually most used

[sudden prawn]

Awesome! Thanks for sharing

[proven wedge]

im kinda surprised to see toxapex so far

[tribal trellis]

what is the 3.78?

[astral yoke]

Missingno

[fast elm]

percent use of total

[noble helm]

I WON AGAINST CAFFIENE (They definetely not forfeit cause they had a meeting )

[fast elm]

oh

[wispy ember]

damn

[fast elm]

its no pokemon

[wispy ember]

I mean, understandable

but god damn

[fast elm]

because people run mons with no fusion

so that counts as no mon

[proven wedge]

The 3.78 are the void that people battle once and never return from

[noble helm]

Why can;t you remove posion heal

[astral yoke]

when ppl like Garchomp, they don't wanna nerf it, or something

[wispy ember]

gliscor to ubers

[noble helm]

BAN GLISCOR

[proven wedge]

gliscor is balanced

[glacial bane]

No please :(

[proven wedge]

poison heal not so much

[noble helm]

My point

[glacial bane]

https://tenor.com/view/gliscor-gligar-pokemon-gif-7263553

[noble helm]

remove poison heal then

[torn jay]

Pleas don't

[tribal trellis]

gliscor was just banned in normal ou

[torn jay]

Cause of GOLDENGO

[noble helm]

Hey guys its ya boy yoshifanfic,

Its day 1013 of Pokeathlon and we will see these new changes

||Poison heal is now banned.||

[torn jay]

Goldengo enabled gliscor to setup 3 layers of rocks cause of it's ability and typing

[glacial bane]

Not in normal OU, Gen 9, the biggest dumbster fire of Pokemon

[noble helm]

its a literal remake of pokemon

[tribal trellis]

i meant normal as in the most recent form of ou

[glacial bane]

Yes.

[noble helm]

iron valiant is Gardevoir and Gallade fused together

Iron moth is volcarona but iron

HOW DO YOU GET THAT

THATS NOT A POKEMON

ITS A ROBOT

[glacial bane]

[proven wedge]

What annoys me about scarlet violet is that there is a 0% chance they will add the nincada line because shedinja would just inherently break the game by itself lmao

[torn jay]

Tera electric balloon shedinja

[odd kiln]

pex is good

[young saffron]

gen 9 ou is actually awful

[autumn birch]

how the fuc-

NO NO NO

[young saffron]

im a uu player normally and we had fucking heatran for a while

[prime garnet]

Guts

[young saffron]

that aint ok

[torn jay]

I'm an ru player and we hate hissuian liligant

Literally runs the Meta

[young saffron]

they hate to see a girlboss winning

[proven wedge]

rare raticate user spotted

[glacial bane]

And that's why I dislike gen 9, we literally moved every pokemon a tier down

[tribal trellis]

cause we released the entire meta in gen 9 mons

[young saffron]

i actually really like gen 9 but like specifically vgc regulation 1

when only the fun mons were legal

[chilly tendon]

even as a lc player, gen 9 is dumb lol

[autumn birch]

god
is there a counter to Dragonite fusions

[sudden prawn]

Steel and or ghost

[young saffron]

always run ice beam on something scarfed

[sudden prawn]

Rocks, burn

[young saffron]

get em while they set up

[proven wedge]

This is certainly funny.

[sudden prawn]

Crystal Onix has their time to shine

[proven wedge]

bruh my opponent has a team full of kecleons

[tribal trellis]

yea i saw that guy like 3 times already

[sudden prawn]

He’s cool

Those are all sprites that they made, be nice lol

[tribal trellis]

didn't say anything bad

[sudden prawn]

I meant in fighting him

[proven wedge]

he learned the wrath of my registeel/trevenant

[autumn birch]

goddamn

[sudden prawn]

you monster, I stole that Trevenant and it’s baller

[proven wedge]

[wary flame]

Was it stall grass ?

[thick axle]

I got bored of running an hyper offense team, can someone give me new team ideas?

[mighty knot]

stall

[proven wedge]

hazard team

[mighty knot]

shuckle

[thick axle]

It’s Ubers

[mighty knot]

then go play in AG

[thick axle]

[mighty knot]

nah but if you want, i have a nice challenge for you

[thick axle]

[mighty knot]

make a decent team that use this

Treasure Crab (Sableye) (M) @ Eviolite  
Ability: Prankster  
Fusion: Krabby  
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spe  
Adamant Nature  
- Crabhammer  
- Recover  
- Will-O-Wisp  
- Knock Off

[thick axle]

Okay, I’m gonna remove my hazard setter in my hyper offense team, and call it a day

[proven wedge]

l u l

[proven wedge]

Im not finding any games D:

oh im in the wrong format thats why

[fast blade]

Everyone spamming eviolite now, I don't think it's gonna be that good

[mighty knot]

i had this team since the opening of showdown, i didn't changed it until recently, but the kraby eviolite never changed x)

[midnight summit]

https://replay.pokeathlon.com/#&player=psych&replay=psychosalamander-justsayori-1700456603981

My saddest loss

[fallen epoch]

Was disguise that bad?

Just use mold breaker

[thick axle]

I mean, It allowed for free setting up, if you switched in to a non mold breaker mon, you were kind of screwed (I presume, never saw it in action)

[runic oak]

Welp, Double Iron Bash is banned. Guess I'm just not allowed to have any fun

[fast elm]

we hate fun !!! who wants to have fun ?!?!?

[runic oak]

Good to see you have a sense of humor

[livid delta]

Bring back Sand veil, I can be trusted with evasion based stuff 🙂

[runic oak]

I've always been of the opinion that the only 'uncompetitive' things that are strong enough to be banned are OHKO moves and Evasion Moves. Anything more is just picking on niche strategies

[haughty plaza]

thoughts on this silly mon
Leviathan (Dhelmise) @ Wide Lens
Ability: Steelworker
Fusion: Metagross
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 SpD
Adamant Nature

• Meteor Mash
• Power Whip
• Bullet Punch
• Earthquake

[proven wedge]

is it grass/steel?

[haughty plaza]

oops i had the wrong swap form

yeah its grass steel now

[midnight summit]

Was about say that dark pulse destroys it lol

[haughty plaza]

fire weakness i just noticed is not fun

at least eq is there lol

[proven wedge]

yeah i was about to say have fun with the many enteis and chandelure fusions there

[haughty plaza]

also the whole team is about getting weird and exopiremental so yeah i have a cradily fusion cry about it
still want opinions tho
Caution Tape (Cradily) @ Leftovers
Ability: Storm Drain
Fusion: Jirachi
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Stealth Rock
• Healing Wish
• Light Screen
• Pain Split

[wary flame]

would peolpe vbe intressed in a tier list maker?(for the pokemon them selft not the fustions)

[glacial bane]

Uhhh, I'd be...even though those lists will be big with base alone

Also, what format?

[wary flame]

it wont be all like just fully evo who are "meta" (also do you knew where to get the trip fustion pngs)

[wary flame]

gen 7 ou i

[glacial bane]

https://tiermaker.com/create/pokemon-infinite-fusion-triple-fusion0-16108577

Doesn't have Regi though

[glacial bane]

Ah, the real format

[proven wedge]

from what i saw the gen 3 one is the best

people massively shit talk the birds cause it dies to stealth rock

[wary flame]

that has the spirts but not the pngs of the spirts

[glacial bane]

Oh...

whoops

[wary flame]

i just the fully evo spirts of all the guys so if anyone has them pls send them

[glacial bane]

I'll shit talk all triple fusions equally, I think they all suck

[glacial bane]

Get this mid ass pokemon off my screen

[proven wedge]

if you dont keep any fairy resists alive until that thing is gone, thats on you ngl

[wary flame]

https://tiermaker.com/create/pokemon-if-showdown--15672832 made if any one has any thing to sugget or add (or knows where the hell regitrio is) then let me know

[feral beacon]

Doublade is dead and No Guard nerfs killed it

only in ag though

ou zap cannon Doublade is thriving

[wary flame]

evolite just got re buffed

[feral beacon]

yes which is why ou doublade is thriving

i'm referring mostly to "no more ohko teams"

[wary flame]

o okie

so nothing to do with the tier list

[dull plaza]

Regitrio sprite
#sprite-gallery message

[glacial bane]

Legendary Beast Fusion was Ubers I thought?

[runic oak]

There needs to be a long talk about how different the movepools are in this game just off of Move Tutors alone

Like, Knock Off should not be on as many Pokemon as it is

[unborn pine]

cheats

[runic oak]

Get this man out of my gen 7 format

lol

[proven wedge]

^

[mighty knot]

https://replay.pokeathlon.com/#replay=terminatphilippe-star5071-1700505575279

bro, why did you forfeit x)

[unborn pine]

gen 9 mon fusions have the best names

[glacial bane]

Thanks for the list, time to get roasted for my weird ass takes (Mons are sorted within their tier)

[wary flame]

thank you

[wary flame]

flip i forgot

[unborn pine]

What about the gen 2 starters

[glacial bane]

They are there

[pure breach]

you should uh

check out Great Tusk + Nosepass

[unborn pine]

lol

[wary flame]

https://tiermaker.com/create/pokemon-infinite-showdown-15672832

second times the chamre

[glacial bane]

https://tenor.com/view/scream-cat-loud-angry-gif-26168455

[wary flame]

@wispy ember can you pin this pls?(sorry for the ping)

[wispy ember]

what for

[wary flame]

so it doest got lost in convo

[wispy ember]

I dont get it

[wary flame]

dont get what

[wispy ember]

why should that be pinned

[wary flame]

so it does't get lossed with futrea conversion

[wispy ember]

🤨

[wary flame]

no loss when people talk

[wispy ember]

but, I still don't get why

[wary flame]

so people dont have to scorl up when they want to make a tier list

[proven wedge]

Registeel gotta be way more up chief

[astral yoke]

Pins are for important/useful messages

A tier list isn't important

[wary flame]

then i just resent everytime so wants to make a tier list

[astral yoke]

Do that

[wary flame]

what if i am alsleep

or at school

[astral yoke]

Not my problem

[wary flame]

fair

[wispy ember]

someone gets it

[wary flame]

fine fine

[glacial bane]

I'd love to know why, because from my perspective it gives nothing but defensive stats and steel typing, which is just fine

[proven wedge]

That's the entire point :>

Can turn a mon steel type because of mono and give it great bulk

Which can turn less buff mons into monsters like trevenant

[glacial bane]

But is that alone...worthwhile?

[proven wedge]

yes

[unborn pine]

My phone sometimes just doesn't want to detect clicks especially on showdown, love losing games because of that :(

[glacial bane]

Ehh

[feral beacon]

DOUBLADE HIGHLY VIABLE

[fast blade]

S tier gotta be sylveon, Noivern, PorygonZ, and Gliscor

[wary flame]

then make a tier list then

[fast blade]

Why are you a feraligatr hater

[fast blade]

Oh it is???

[fast blade]

Well level ups are all the same, so it is pretty much just Move tutors and TM's

[sudden prawn]

Feraligatr gives dragon dance, sheer force, good bulk

[fast blade]

Nah too lazy

[wary flame]

fair

[fast blade]

Yeah I love feraligatr fusions, they hit like a truck. Especially with rain, you get life orb+Sheer force+rain and literally everything dies after one Dragon Dance.

One time I was burned at +1, and still was doing ~60% to a bulky Gliscor fusion

Meaning I was at basically 75% of my base damage

[glacial bane]

Uhh, there aren't too many good physical moves that profit from Sheer Force as far as I'm aware and for special moves Nidoking usually performs better...you can correct me if I'm wrong

[sudden prawn]

Waterfall, Liquidation, Crunch, rock slide

[glacial bane]

Yeah, Eviolite buff with rather good stats and a good ability

[feral beacon]

Inferno, or Dynamic Punch, or Zap Cannon...

[glacial bane]

Liquidation is better Waterfall and is amazing , Crunch and Dark Pulse act the same, Rock Slide is good

Yeah, it's good

You guys can make your lists, this is my very wacky opinion and I think I atleast hit most stuff rather accurately

[sudden prawn]

Nidoking/Feraligatr, now everyone wins

[fast blade]

Special sheer force users are almost useless

[glacial bane]

How so?

[fast blade]

I'll get back to you

Driving atm

[glacial bane]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-drive-gif-23992424

[fast blade]

Liquidation being available is a glitch

[sudden prawn]

drive

[fast blade]

So here's the thing. All of the sheer force users have very low special attack, Nidoking has the highest and it's only 85, much lower than the physical attackers. Which isn't a problem onto itself, but they're also relatively slow. Which is fine for physical attackers, because as the body you inherit 2/3 of the attack/speed. For special attackers, you must choose between inheriting 2/3 of one or the other, so you can't just fuse with a fast special attacker and massively bump the SF user's stats. The fusion will always inherit 2/3 of either Nidokings shitty 85 SpA, or 2/3 of its speed stat. Again, Physical SF users can inherit both speed/attacking stats. So this pretty much means the fusion won't be able to have both great SpA and speed. To put it into perspective, Alakazam, who's banned for it's super high SpA/Speed combo, STILL can only get Nidoking to a mediocre 101 SpA/108 speed, and this is ALAKAZAM we are talking about.

You might wonder, oh just inherit the high special attack and boost for speed. With physical attackers dragon dance works great for this purpose, but for special attackers quiver dance is either banned with volcarona, or on an absolutely trash pokemon.

So then you may wonder why you can't just scarf it, and you "could" but at that point if you're going to forgo the advantage of a recoil-less life orb, then you might as well just use Adaptability PoryZ or Pixilate Sylv. The recoil-less life orb is one of the biggest advantages to using sheer force and you invalidate it by running a scarf for a purpose that's done way better with other fusions.

[fast blade]

It's like virtually every decent physical move has a secondary effect absent the ones who's "secondary effect" is just a high crit chance.

Stone edge, crabhammer, etc

Or earthquake being one with no secondary

[wary flame]

High crits moves don’t get sheer force boosts

[fast blade]

That's why I put it in quotes and said "absent"

[wispy ember]

[flint kayak]

Funbro?

[odd kiln]

the difference is spa sf has access to higher bp moves with wide coverage (fire blast, tbolt, ice beam, ep, etc)

[gentle pier]

when can they add LC

fusion LC sounds horrendous

[dusky steeple]

Just had a 100+ turns game

jesus

won with forfeit

[glacial bane]

Had 3 of those

[glacial bane]

Look, I just wanna hit things with a strong Earth Power

[fast blade]

Then do ubers and run volcarona/Nidoking

Not gonna work in OU lol

[glacial bane]

"Just Choice it"

[prime furnace]

Yay the bans are here

[quiet delta]

yay I finally got a win with my funny team using only sprites I made

this guy's kinda funny ngl

[fast blade]

Okay so what if you get hit but don't go to 1 HP? you just don't get the unburden proc

Gotta lower defense in that case, a -nature

[odd kiln]

set to lv 1 to ensure it

[prime furnace]

Yoshi is going to upload this fix tomorrow

[glacial bane]

Uhhh, what would this mean?

[glacial bane]

Nice

[prime furnace]

Basically this

[hoary canopy]

I don't believe it. It's really finally here

[vivid junco]

the if client?

Yeah its great

Ive made nat dex stall

[prime furnace]

You are the top 1 tbf

In the gen 9 natdex at least

[vivid junco]

Im not today

went to bed

then woke up

and now I need 30 elo

I think that everyone who plays knows my team tho

since there is only like 5 regulars in nat dex atm

[prime furnace]

I played you once

If you remember an all dragonite team

[vivid junco]

I played shit the second time

oh nevermind

you where my 100th game

[prime furnace]

Yeah

[vivid junco]

im at 124 atm

[prime furnace]

Also you have a lot of dragon types

[fast blade]

Is there like a record of all of them somewhere?

How do you know he was the 100th game?

[prime furnace]

The ladder keeps track

[vivid junco]

I do but also ther have really good typings

[prime furnace]

Yeah

[vivid junco]

and 1 is multiscale

[fast blade]

Well ik but how can he know exactly which of his 124 games you were? That makes me think that they have like a list of your games or something?

[prime furnace]

My games?

I haven’t played many people lol

[hoary canopy]

I remember in the early early days when I theorized that Chansey/Ditto would be a big threat that people would carry Muk/Marowak to handle

(it being immune to Chanto's Thunder Wave and Toxic, while using Thicc Club for an attack boost not copied by Transform)

Pokédex was smaller back then. Even now I'm amazed that there's a National Dex mode for this.

[vivid junco]

its all automated based off a formula im guessing

So nat dex isn't as hard

@fast elm 🐐

welp it probs is hard

yoshi did a great job

[hybrid harbor]

First match with my First Team

Rain Stall

[chilly summit]

holy shit it's Chippy 👀

[fast blade]

Well ik but he's on game 124, and he just randomly is like "oh you were game #100!"

[odd kiln]

that doesnt handle anything thats just a slightly less weak to imposter mon

bc u hit urself se

so it still loses

[glacial bane]

So...how viable do you guys think the weathers are?
Played now a bit with Rain and it seems decently strong.
I just assume Hail is meh...

[thick axle]

The only purpose of hail would be to get aurora veil, but with only one snow warning mon (Delibird tecnically gets it in IF, but i believe it's not implemented, and even then, it's delibird), which doesn't learn it naturally, limits hail a lot

[astral yoke]

Sun, Rain, and Sand are great
Hail i've yet to get it to be viable

[astral yoke]

This. This is the biggest issue.
The main draw of Hail is Aurora Veil, but not having the mon with Snow Warning have it means you need 2 dedicated mons to handle both, which means 1 turn to set up weather (unless it's 1st turn), 1 turn to switch, and 1 turn to veil
It's too slow

[glacial bane]

Couldn't you give Aurorus Scarf fused with a quick U-Turner to speed things up? I know that's a high limitation on what it does, but speed the process up and protects it

[astral yoke]

So Aurorus comes in (1 turn), you switch to the veiler (1 turn), and u use Aurora Veil (1 turn)

Your pokemon could have 999 speed, and it would still be slow

[glacial bane]

I see

And Veil on Aurorus is just...risky?

[thick axle]

At that point, I feel like a prankster screen setter owuld just be better

[astral yoke]

It can't get veil

[glacial bane]

Even through Fusion?

[thick axle]

You have garbage mons for it, and mew, mew being the only aurora veil setter i've seen so far

[astral yoke]

You can try, but your options limits its usage.

[thick axle]

what if zapmoticuno for a hail team

[astral yoke]

It doesn't have snow warning, which creates the slow issue again

[glacial bane]

Alright

So, changing topic because talking about hail is depressing...
What's sand up to (gameplan wise)

I mean, Sun and Rain just hit like a truck

[astral yoke]

Sand Rush, Sand Force, Garchomp, Ttar, steel types
Basically whatever ground and steel types we currently have in meta gets a boost from it

and we have plenty

[glacial bane]

Alright

[thick axle]

No excadrill does make things a little harder tho

[glacial bane]

Thousand Arrows though 👀

[thick axle]

nvm then

[astral yoke]

Generally sand teams don't rely too much on the sand. It's there to give chip damage while giving them a sp.def boost, but individually each mon are strong enough even without the weather

[thick axle]

maybe a choice band set with sandslash would e great

[glacial bane]

So...gen 5 sand style?

[sullen ore]

Yeah usually on sand it's only one sand rush mon

Maybe 2 in gen 8 where you could fit drill and dracozolt

[astral yoke]

Or even something like this. Sand Force STAB Earthquake from this can hurt... alot

[glacial bane]

What do you guys fuse with Tyranitar? That's the part that is personally so hard for me when I want to build sand

[glacial bane]

Wow, nice

[proven wedge]

Donphan