showdown-general

[feral beacon]

for what it's worth

[shadow arrow]

like weavile

[wary flame]

how much is flammertrow doing

[feral beacon]

33%ish?

[wary flame]

can it switch in or do you need a sack

[feral beacon]

If I remember correctly

[wary flame]

spec or not

[feral beacon]

uh let me check

[shadow arrow]

sylveon arcanine can switch in and revenge kill it with e-speed aswell

[feral beacon]

the clefairy doublade is specc'd, but i don't imagine that affects the damage flamethrower does to it

[wary flame]

can you give me it stats and type so i can calc it

[wary flame]

the nov/sly i was talking about

[feral beacon]

oh

[wispy ember]

ayo

my sprite

[feral beacon]

i don't have any clue tbh but probably

[wary flame]

can you give me stats and types

[feral beacon]

no

it was a game that happened a while ago

[south perch]

nice lol

[shadow arrow]

sylveon and arcanine is fairy/fire with 93 hp and 113 spdef, 95 attack

[wary flame]

was doublade the head or body

[feral beacon]

body

[astral yoke]

Oops, while using an alt to try a sun team, i accidently fought Base_Liquid and lowered his elo... i think he was trying to overtake myst lol

[pastel sun]

can yall rate my boy cold war

[south perch]

I'm using this because I made the sprite, but it's not that great lol. Anything I can change on it to make it better for battle?

[wary flame]

252+ SpA Choice Specs Pixilate Noivern Boomburst vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Arcanine: 166-196 (50.7 - 59.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252+ Atk Pixilate Arcanine Extreme Speed vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Noivern: 224-264 (72 - 84.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[shadow arrow]

so invest hp into arcanine

[wispy ember]

why would you want to run a bulky arcanine?

[shadow arrow]

also if its specs over scarf it gets outsped by weavile fusions

[wary flame]

252+ SpA Choice Specs Pixilate Noivern Boomburst vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Arcanine: 166-196 (42.5 - 50.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

[shadow arrow]

??? arcanine is a great defensive mon

[wary flame]

252+ SpA Choice Specs Pixilate Noivern Boomburst vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Arcanine: 174-206 (44.6 - 52.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery the other calc was wrong

[zealous falcon]

ok ya noivert+sylveon+boomburst+pixilate is too broken, hope they ban either noivern or boomburst

[wispy ember]

god damn

it actually is

well, kinda

[tiny wadi]

You can run it Mixed

[shadow arrow]

intimidate and morning sun, will-o-wisp, etc

[tiny wadi]

yes

[prime garnet]

Arcanine is a good

[tiny wadi]

Which is still really good

[prime garnet]

biased

[wary flame]

252 SpA Noivern Flamethrower vs. 252 HP / 52 SpD Eviolite Clefairy: 85-101 (25.9 - 30.7%) -- guaranteed 4HKO it is a counter

[feral beacon]

clefable not clefairy but I guess that does give more eviolite boost

[tiny wadi]

Why run Boomburst when you can run Echoed Voice and the Metronome Item?

cause 150 base damage

with specs and pixilate its mroe

[shadow arrow]

why take 3 turns to build up damage?

[wary flame]

nevermidn i didt add the steel type 252 SpA Noivern Flamethrower vs. 252 HP / 52 SpD Eviolite Clefairy: 158-186 (45.6 - 53.7%) -- 41% chance to 2HKO

[prime furnace]

https://pokepast.es/4ef430798bceb8fd

is this better

[wary flame]

252 SpA Noivern Flamethrower vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Eviolite Clefairy: 112-132 (32.3 - 38.1%) -- 96.3% chance to 3HKO

[sage garden]

the new heatran bro

[wary flame]

you do know what choice band does

[prime furnace]

yes

[wary flame]

and you have algitly

[tiny wadi]

It doesn't have Flash Fire.

[prime furnace]

i will get rid of that

[sage garden]

magnet pull is better xD

[tiny wadi]

How or Why is Magnet Pull better?

[feral anchor]

Calm mind but have no special moves on it

[wary flame]

also i would change shadow ball to semic toss

[shadow arrow]

its not a heatran without flash fire 🤓

[prime furnace]

I completely forgot to change that

[feral anchor]

Choice band agility is an interesting option

[tiny wadi]

XD

[sage garden]

you insta trap steel type so its pretty powerful

[tiny wadi]

Wouldn't that be more Valuable on a Type Combo that isn't part weak to Fire where Fire Type Moves would be Neutral against the "Heatran"?

[prime furnace]

there changed calm mind to bulk up

[prime furnace]

good idea

[sage garden]

idk

[wary flame]

now onto the berrys dont use berrys

[tiny wadi]

Unless You're Snorlax/Muk or something like it; in which case, Gluttony + Iapapa Berry + Belly Drum

[wary flame]

or dennet and grendent

[shadow arrow]

belly drum is banned in OU im pretty sure

[tiny wadi]

Greedent and the Pika-Clone aren't in IF

[prime furnace]

I don’t know what items to use then

[wary flame]

okie then yes it just snorlax muk (and i guess munlax and grimger)

[wary flame]

cleafable leftovers

[prime furnace]

Oh

Why did I forget leftovers existed

[wary flame]

do you want the reason behind it

[prime furnace]

I can probably see why I need to use it

[royal solstice]

Why are you using charizard there’s so many better fire types

[prime furnace]

Is it because Clefable is what you guys call a “stalling mon”

[wary flame]

no it becose over a game your getting more from leftover then a berry

[prime furnace]

As in

[pure breach]

leftovers is one of the best items in singles

[royal solstice]

Life orb is also good on clef

[prime furnace]

oh

[royal solstice]

No recoil

[wary flame]

not magic guard

[astral yoke]

Lol, about to overtake myself

[wary flame]

unware

[wispy ember]

why did you make an alt?

[shadow arrow]

something I've been using, very versatile jirachi+entei can do a lot of things, but sacred fire is a must

[prime furnace]

Well I am getting schooled today

[wary flame]

Unaware *

[astral yoke]

wanted to test a sun team with that Mind Blown thing u mentioned

[wary flame]

cause pokemon is a lot

[wispy ember]

but

why with an alt

don't want to sully your win ratio?

[prime furnace]

But schooled I mean that you competitive players are teaching me a lot

[royal solstice]

Idk if unaware is better in this format or not lol

[astral yoke]

kinda, i just didn't want to lose to 1000s with experimental team and lose like 40+ elo

[wary flame]

o okie anyway luxray running flame orb

[wispy ember]

bruh

[astral yoke]

https://pokepast.es/2dc73dbdbdfb4b92
Having fun with this team though

[prime furnace]

Im playing gen 7 AG

[wary flame]

it there team i did't do nothing

[prime furnace]

Got it

[wary flame]

do you know why

[sage garden]

FORGOT charizard had acess to defog lul

[prime furnace]

Guts and Facade plus it’s always has a burn which equals more damage

[royal solstice]

You must use defog then because otherwise iirc chandelure is better

[wary flame]

yes now the krooodile should either life orb or lum berry

[astral yoke]

Reuniclus/Electrode really shined.
High sp.atk and speed
High damage with Mind Blown in the Sun
Can pivot in and out using Volt Switch
Psyshock for pesky sp.def buffers
The biggest problem with the team atm is that i don't have enough decent pivots

[wary flame]

sciozr fustion for slow u-turner

[prime furnace]

Ok

[astral yoke]

i'll think abt it tomorrow, gonna sleep

[wary flame]

and i need to your new team now

[tiny wadi]

why is freeze a thing

i was frozen for 7 turns ina row

sorry

8

[wispy ember]

to annoy you in particular

[wary flame]

gamefreak

[tiny wadi]

[prime furnace]

https://pokepast.es/0099fb4029ccb44a

ok now is it good

[wary flame]

no we have to adress Kyodonquaza

[prime furnace]

ok

[wary flame]

Kyodonquaza
Ability: Air Lock

• Dragon Ascent
• Earthquake
• Bulk Up
• Extreme Speed

this set is good

[prime furnace]

alrighty

[wary flame]

and now your team is goodish

[prime furnace]

thx you

wait

what item

for it

because it just has a berry

[tiny wadi]

@sage garden glhf

[feral anchor]

Tbh zapmolcuno is probably worse than normal mons in showdown because it instantly dies to stealthrock like shedinja

[wary flame]

leftover life orb what every you see in popular items (that not the choice item or a berry or rocky helmet)

[prime furnace]

ok

[patent inlet]

I wish there were randomized teams

[low merlin]

turns out mega stones dont work on fusions

i tested on ag and i only had the option to tera

[tiny wadi]

this mfer

is the bane of my existance

[sage garden]

aye

[tiny wadi]

that roost was toxic

af

[sage garden]

thats a good fusion i found then

[next igloo]

Love the nick

[prime furnace]

https://replay.pokeathlon.com/#replay=totallybadonkers-totalsylv-1700253091495

i won my first match with my new team

[tiny wadi]

need to save this for later

[wispy ember]

this aint even the worst one

[tiny wadi]

this entire format is plagued man

[wispy ember]

there are worse ones

[tiny wadi]

i make something

1 pokemon counters my enitre team

[wary flame]

Holy I Didt expect that

[tiny wadi]

thne i make something to counter that pokemon

it doesn't show up

[prime furnace]

I did some stupid moves ngl

[wary flame]

Let me check

[prime furnace]

Like sending out the dragon type to fight the literal fairy type..

[tiny wadi]

LESGO

https://replay.pokeathlon.com/#replay=bandageblades-dynathecryo-1700253382377

[wary flame]

We all make mistakes it fine

[prime furnace]

Ok but how well did I do

For first match I mean

Also my friend is telling me to get at least one special attacker

[wary flame]

Yeah probably burn will just kill your team

[tiny wadi]

lmao

[wary flame]

Not watch yet

[prime furnace]

Well watch it whenever you can

[wispy ember]

Any fighting move ever :

[obtuse fjord]

hey

what pokemon have the ability mold breaker

[flat mountain]

Is there anyway the move soak could be used competitively? I always thought it was neat, and it’s fun for removing stab and changing type/status immunities

[tiny wadi]

doubles maybe

[obtuse fjord]

Is there anyway the move Splash could be used competitively?

lol

[glacial bane]

PP Staling :)

[obtuse fjord]

i guess

[obtuse fjord]

anyway i need to know the anwser to this question

[tiny wadi]

i lost to toxic heal

again

[wary flame]

Hazrouas

[obtuse fjord]

is that the only one

[tiny wadi]

haxorus

and excadrill

[obtuse fjord]

and that one isnt n the game

[tiny wadi]

here

[obtuse fjord]

? i just noticed i am not World rank 69th anymore in the spriter leaderboard i rase 1 rank

[glacial bane]

Yeah, Gliscor Fusions are a weird one to deal with...you could honestly run 2 fusions with it and I'd get what you are going for

[tiny wadi]

yea

[mighty knot]

what ?
https://replay.pokeathlon.com/#replay=terminatphilippe-kholdstare03-1700254378078

[tiny wadi]

whoever made this

thank you

[glacial bane]

If you would have failed kill that thing, you would have ended up in a montage

[low merlin]

what were they cooking

[flat mountain]

Is there anyway to view which sets have already been submitted for Randbats? Don’t want to do anything that already exists, but thought it might be fun to try to build potential counters

[mighty knot]

[glacial bane]

Belly Drum + Huge Power + Light Ball...into Aqua Jet

Not a good plan, but a plan

[mighty knot]

yeah but it would have been better if substitute + batton pass

[prime furnace]

that is the funniest fail ever

https://replay.pokeathlon.com/#replay=totallybadonkers-totalsylv-1700254901078

[mighty knot]

https://tenor.com/view/madagscar-penguins-kaboom-gif-9833865

[prime furnace]

well I fought this person again

[slender holly]

this could be a really dumb question but will we ever be able to have community custom sprites for non-regional pokemon?

[tiny wadi]

why do i fight the same person over and voer

man

it's annoying to lose all th etime

[feral beacon]

non-regional meaning...?

[slender holly]

natdex only mons that aren't in the game like koraidon, ting-lu, paradoxes etc.

[feral beacon]

I think the answer to that is "only if they get put in the game"

[slender holly]

thats fair

[livid delta]

🙂

[prime furnace]

@wary flame did you accidentally dm me

Oh

What the hell

Why did discord put that in spam

It isn’t spam?

[wary flame]

idk

[prime furnace]

I accepted the message request anyhow

Idk why discord tagged it as spam

[wary flame]

alright

[prime furnace]

Also Im pretty sure I do have the replays

[sage garden]

i think this thing is powerful

[vocal bolt]

Is Mew/Celebi/Jirachi worse than just Celebi/Jirachi or is it just me?

The psychic type does not give it any favors

[feral beacon]

gives it psychic stab

[livid delta]

and psychic weaknesses

[fluid tinsel]

Doesn't togekiss learn draining kiss and moonblast by tm in infinite fusion?

[vocal bolt]

I don't think it's a worthy trade off but surely there are some applications

[livid delta]

Hey guys rate my team so far

[tiny wadi]

kind of boring ngl

[low merlin]

stealth rock

[livid delta]

its def a doubles kinda team

where hazards dont really exist

[tiny wadi]

Dheviljo enjoyer

[livid delta]

Deviljho is cool

[tiny wadi]

and hard af

[vocal bolt]

If that team doesn't make them do Doubles OU, nothing will

[livid delta]

Darkrai shedinja learns taunt btw

[prime furnace]

https://pokepast.es/248e2fe1fc5ea257

how good is this

[vocal bolt]

What format?

[prime furnace]

Gen 7 AG

[livid delta]

kings shield wont work

just fyi, I tried it too

[vocal bolt]

Why 3 Rayquaza?

[wary flame]

ray fgood

[prime furnace]

Fish helped me

[livid delta]

3 pokemon with flying type

rock time

[wary flame]

just dont let them set rocks

[prime furnace]

4 pokemon

theres 4

[livid delta]

you have nothing to stop them from setting it or removing them once they're up

[wary flame]

so ? ho all the way

[livid delta]

mmm you're right triple ray is flying not dragon

[fast blade]

Get rid of hurricane

[wary flame]

still only 2 of pokemom are weak to rocks

[prime furnace]

what does magic coat do

[wary flame]

relfects stauts fore one turn

[vocal bolt]

No defog or rapid spin wither? Like I see a lot of strong Pokemon in isolation, but I don't know about them as a team.... Maybe in practice they are better you never know

[prime furnace]

i wasnt really cooking, it was mostly Fish

[wary flame]

just kill them

(i cant build anything that is't ho)

[vocal bolt]

In AG? Yeah good luck with that

[livid delta]

This fish is sushi cause his cooking is raw

[prime furnace]

so my team is basically rubbish then

[livid delta]

Kyodonquaza rules in doubles though fr fr

[vocal bolt]

I wouldn't say that it's trash but it needs to be adjusted to fit what you want to do

[prime furnace]

I dont actually play competitive so thats why I asked someone to help me make a team

[vocal bolt]

I like to build a team around an offensive Pokemon, and then add the rest asking what does it need to succeed

[wary flame]

i like useing 6 cb usering and clicking espeed

[livid delta]

nobody knows how tf competitive works atm but you can fuse funny shit

[hexed crow]

Which format are you playing? I'm not really good so we could probably do a match sometime

[livid delta]

except prankster spore

which is evil

[prime furnace]

im going back to having krookodile fused with flygon

[wary flame]

why?

[tiny wadi]

ou :)

[prime furnace]

i dont want that many legendaries

[livid delta]

then make an OU team

its AG, thats legendary central

[vocal bolt]

Let me put it this way

you want to use a Pokemon with sweeper with Pixilate Extreme Speed

Then you think of what can your opponent do to stop you from doing that

And then you add a Pokemon that counters their possible answers, so that you can eliminate them to let you do Extreme Speedy shenanigans with no issues

That's the very very simple version of it, it's usually more complex but I think this makes it more understood

[hexed crow]

I'm about to leave work, but dm me and we'll get something going later 👍

[wary flame]

my counter to it is other espeed users

[tiny wadi]

@hexed crow can i dm you?

[livid delta]

me bringing in a single steel type

[wary flame]

he got me

[vocal bolt]

AG is the "all bullshit is allowed" tier, so if you don't want to go all in on the bullshit, play OU

[livid delta]

but who uses steel types amiright? such a weak typing (I wish we had a "clueless" emote here)

[prime furnace]

fine

OU it is

[livid delta]

Victor, make a fusion that does clueless face

[wary flame]

steel type suck im glad we agree

[feral anchor]

The legendaries in ou:

[livid delta]

way less of them and you can make teams without them that are still good

[prime furnace]

oh well there goes rayquaza, chansey and the triple fusion

[livid delta]

like 10 billion gliscor

[prime furnace]

i dont need the chansey

[vocal bolt]

I hope I did not sound mean but if you want to win from time to time you should know people will use every single option they have

[prime furnace]

i have GameCube

[feral anchor]

So many offbrand great tusks invade ou

[livid delta]

"holy shit" ~ Heatran

[wary flame]

oi i win with my ho team

[vocal bolt]

It needs to be one that is super bulky but implodes to a very specific type

[livid delta]

skarmory/registeel so i have it on my team

[prime furnace]

GameCube will be my offbrand Chansey

[vocal bolt]

Huh. Yeah I guess we are not too many people so the skill ceiling is not too high either

[livid delta]

dusclops toxipex with eviolite

its funny

[wary flame]

I hate that the thing

[wary flame]

Or could be that ho is something that can succeed

[prime furnace]

If you guys don’t know who GameCube is, here’s the context

They almost murdered Ultra Necrozma

[vocal bolt]

One that could realistically do the face or at least somewhat lmao

[feral anchor]

I have gamecube in my team as an anti sweeper

[prime furnace]

Lets go GameCube representation

[livid delta]

coward

[feral anchor]

Unaware + Spectral Thief is good

[prime furnace]

Yes it is

[vocal bolt]

Didn't say otherwise, hyper offense is the most usual play style in all early metas when everyone is trying to figure out what's good or not

I just said that I forgot this was a new meta with few people, that's all

[vocal bolt]

Do you want me to do it or not

[feral anchor]

Clefnette (Clefable) @ Leftovers
Ability: Unaware
Fusion: Banette
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature

• Spectral Thief
• Moonblast
• Protect
• Sucker Punch

[livid delta]

yes 😔

[vocal bolt]

That's what I thought.

[wary flame]

Sorry for misunderstanding also the fact this a new meta games means the broken stuff hasn’t been banned yet (novi/svly) so ho is just in a good place

[vocal bolt]

Yeah, also the fact that we have AG and not Ubers lmao

[fast blade]

Noivern is insanely good lol

But let us have our fun! Noivern was just added to the game

[glacial bane]

Didn't struggle against Sylveon fusions yet, they seemed kinda underwhelming

[fast blade]

Soul dew is legal???

[feral anchor]

Being faster + Throat chop so fun! Its nice to see the surprise when soundproof activates

[feral anchor]

Its just a 1.2x buff for drag/psy moves

[wary flame]

Which did you play against

[zealous falcon]

Then ban boomburst, this combo is damn stronk

[glacial bane]

Sylveon + Latios and Sylveon + Noivern

Maybe it's just a team thing

[wary flame]

What your team?

[vocal bolt]

Sylveon Noivern is good but can struggle in some matchups

It just wants to click the strong stab move

[prime furnace]

What should I replace luxray/rayquaza, chansey/aegislash and the triple fusion of rayquaza, Groudon, and kyogre with

[glacial bane]

Jirachi + Entei
Snorlax + Gliscor
Toxapex + Umbreon
Celebi + Zoroark
Espeon + Raikou
Marowak + Scizor

[prime furnace]

I switched from gen 7 AG to OU

[fast blade]

Oh I thought that change was after gen 7 nvm my bad

[fast blade]

Throat chop is suddenly an amazing move lol

[fluid tinsel]

Doesn't togekiss learn draining kiss and moonblast by tm in infinite fusion?

[feral anchor]

Weavchomp (Weavile) @ Normal Gem
Ability: Pickpocket
Fusion: Garchomp
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Fake Out
• Throat Chop
• Earthquake
• Ice Shard

[fast blade]

Insane that alakazam is banned but thick club isn't

[thick axle]

Hey, random question, why can Togetic/Aggron learn diamond storm? I tried using different fusions with aggron and togetic, but none of them can learn it individually?

[wary flame]

The only thing that really want to switch int boomburst are entei and maro (maro doest even switch in thag well)

[glacial bane]

Rock Fairy gets it

[thick axle]

oh, so any rock fairy gets the move?

[vocal bolt]

I could also see Bastiodon being a good pick for fusing, amazing defenses, , its a steel type with Soundproof

[feral anchor]

Rock/fairy and rock/steel

[thick axle]

That's a if thing, right?

[feral anchor]

Yes

[vocal bolt]

Are there more moves like that?

[feral anchor]

Yes

#general message

Info straight from the frog

[fast blade]

Damn only 102?

[shadow arrow]

its really strong but it has weaknesses

[vocal bolt]

You know power creep hit us hard when 102 is not that good

[shadow arrow]

same speed as garchomp, even in gen 4 there were faster things

you can run it with a scarf to help outspeed, but then you cant break through bulky fire/steel or fire fairy types

[vocal bolt]

Yeah but being over 100 was a good benchmark before
instead of having sweepers break the 120 speeds with amazing strength too
But it has nothing to do with IF so

[shadow arrow]

sylveon/noivern is also weak to ice shard and bullet punch

I think its fairly balanced mon compared to all the toxapex tomfoolery running around

[vocal bolt]

I've seen a lot using defensive mons with Toxapex (that can give Poison type) or a steel type, so there's also that

Oh I did not read the last message lol

[shadow arrow]

i've seen cloyster/toxapex for rapid spin, wailord/toxapex for massive hp, sylveon toxapex with calm mind draining kiss...

[thick axle]

OHHHHH, I'M GONNA COOK NOW 🔥

[vocal bolt]

Yeah lots of resists for Boomburst Pixilate, it's not too spammable if your opponent is prepared

[vocal bolt]

Thousand arrows is insane to just have here so easily

[prime furnace]

https://pokepast.es/3a3f0b1a77aea9d9

this isnt a good team is it

[wary flame]

Av won’t work with calm mind and protect

[prime furnace]

av?

[vocal bolt]

assault vest

[prime furnace]

ik

but what other damn item do I use

[vocal bolt]

you don't need to be down on yourself, you already said you have not played competitive before, and something so vast and with so many options as IF is challenging even for people who know how to build teams

[prime furnace]

I am just trying so hard

[livid delta]

fight someone

steal their team

repeat

[prime furnace]

thats boring

[vocal bolt]

fighting people is the best way to know what works and what doesn't

[shadow arrow]

I would switch weavile/hawlucha's ability to unburden, maybe give it power herb/sky attack

[prime furnace]

which move to replace

[shadow arrow]

something like sky attack/acrobatics/knock off/whatever 4th move

[prime furnace]

I want to keep defog at least for the 4th move

[shadow arrow]

knock off is usually better than other dark moves, since item removal is really good and you get a power boost for the first time

[prime furnace]

would defog be good for the 4th move

[merry stream]

do alts work on here? alt sprites

[prime furnace]

im not using any stage hazards

so it would not affect me

[shadow arrow]

i would put that on something that isnt weak to stealth rocks, or look for a rapid spin mon

[prime furnace]

hmm

what about glischomp

[shadow arrow]

yeah, that would be good

[prime furnace]

ok

[shadow arrow]

probably over fire fang

[boreal elk]

Hey you guys ignorant to this new format since I haven't played showdowns ever. Does any one know exactly how I transfer my IF teams to this game?

[shadow arrow]

you can just remake them on the website, there might be a tool for pulling them from the game but im not sure

[boreal elk]

Aww, so we have to make them ourself. I guess this is more like showdown adding IF rather than vice versa but I guess it would be broken if we used the in-game mons with all the exploits you can do in IF.

[wary flame]

Don’t know about all of them but I have have seen alt sprites

[wary flame]

Adding your team to showdown takes like 2 mins you don’t have to worry about it

[shadow arrow]

IF showdown still has lots of degeneracy dont worry

[tiny wadi]

is there a form to vote bans on?

[sullen ore]

Click the arrow on the bottom right of the sprite and itll pull up the alts for you to pick

[tiny wadi]

cause txoic heal and boomburst are starting to annoy me

[livid delta]

they're just easy metas but people haven't played enough to check for counterplay

I know you can do cursed body so they lose toxic heal and die to themselves

[sullen ore]

If something does turn out to be broken there will probably be a more lengthy process like smogon's own suspect tests

[shadow arrow]

mummy is what you're thinking of

[livid delta]

no I'm not thinking of my mom

[sullen ore]

Honestly wouldnt mind a community survey like smogons been doing recently

Like how do feel about sylveon, gliscor, etc
And the ones that seem the most problematic can be suspect tested

(Suspect tests are votes for banning something where to get into the vote you need to do well enough in game on an alt account)

[shadow arrow]

sylveon is really strong but makes mons a lot slower

[livid delta]

people aren't looking at lower tier mons very much atm

I think there's some real stuff hidden down there

[shadow arrow]

I think sylveon dragonite is more op than noivern boomburst

[glacial bane]

Sylveon is kinda meh
Gliscor is a menace, but makes for interesting games

[sullen ore]

I know electrode is good

[livid delta]

doubles already discovered the power of dancer

[sullen ore]

Fast, easy to make its special attack better, soundproof to block boomburst

[livid delta]

prankster metronome

live life to its fullest guys

[glacial bane]

I love how people are like "You can only use Soundproof against Noivern" instead of playing a revenge killer

[glacial bane]

Based

[shadow arrow]

i know its only 102 base speed, just throw a weavile at it lol

[livid delta]

combine shuckle with ferrothorn for the ultra bug/steel

[shadow arrow]

isnt shuckle ubers

[livid delta]

nah no way thats not possible

...

[glacial bane]

Speaking of that, haven't tried Ubers yet...
How is it?

[livid delta]

😔

[livid delta]

here's a fun thing you can do

[glacial bane]

Oof

[livid delta]

give shedinja fusion sturdy

[glacial bane]

Oh no

[livid delta]

and it can't be killed by any normal attack

ever

only status stuff

[shadow arrow]

contrary sylveon/shuckle with fleur cannon lol

[glacial bane]

Ehh, too slow to work...

[livid delta]

the triple ray/kyo/gro fusion is pretty awesome

I like him in doubles (which is also AG)

origin pulse AND preci blade on one mon

[glacial bane]

Wait, but then it doesn't have wonderguard

[glacial bane]

damn

[livid delta]

sturdy leaves you at 1hp if you have full hp

1hp IS full hp

[glacial bane]

OH

Right...

[livid delta]

therefore

endeavor your sturdy shedinja 🙂

[shadow arrow]

have contact damage or lose

[thick axle]

What's a good utility mon? Like pivot and hazard removal, currently using this thing

[livid delta]

burn, toxic, etc work too

and weather (steel type protects from toxic and sand tho)

mold breaker and stuff too I guess

lot of counterplay so dont fix this bug

[prime furnace]

@shadow arrow ok what do I put for the 4th move

[shadow arrow]

for which one?

[prime furnace]

Weavluha

[livid delta]

I think starmie fusions are fun cause super fast rapid spin

I dunno about defog since it removes your own hazards too

[shadow arrow]

maybe fire punch or hi-jump kick for steel types

[prime furnace]

Ok

[shadow arrow]

can switch it around once you play and figure out what your team is weak to

maybe even swords dance if you're feeling brave

[rich turret]

is there a plan for LC to be added as a format at somepoint?

[prime furnace]

https://pokepast.es/e64ea63d411f7341

[tiny wadi]

shuckle is ubers

yes

every team so far
1x sylveon
1x Gliscor

[thick axle]

I don't use neither of those

[tiny wadi]

same

[prime furnace]

@shadow arrow what do I do for the last mon?

[marble turtle]

hello showdown gamers

[glacial bane]

I use Gliscor, because some teams can't do anything about it

[shadow arrow]

you could maybe give it trick+choice scarf, or maybe give it hp EV's and play it with wish/heal bell

[prime furnace]

ok

[prime furnace]

ok now what about glischomp

[shadow arrow]

glischomp looks fine, though I will say your team has a huge Ice weakness

[prime furnace]

hmm

[tiny wadi]

yes

that's why it needs a ban

or

toxic heal at least

[prime furnace]

maybe I replace gamecube with a fire type

[shadow arrow]

i would say change out the espeon/umbreon, maybe swap one out for vaporeon

are you set on having an eeveelution fusing on your team?

[prime furnace]

I mean

I dont mind if I have to have it or not

[glacial bane]

You sound like a gen 9 player

[shadow arrow]

may I introduce you to Jirachi/Entei

[tiny wadi]

nah i play gen7 OU

top 500 there

[prime furnace]

oh

a jirachi fusion sounds like the best support

[glacial bane]

I love bootleg Heatran

[shadow arrow]

sacred fire is a must on all sets, but other than that, you got wish/protect, u-turn, stealth rock, t-wave+iron head, etc

[shadow arrow]

heatran wish it could attack while burning 100% of the time

[shadow arrow]

https://tenor.com/view/homelander-gif-26153874

[prime furnace]

dont think stealth rock would work thanks to defog

[glacial bane]

Good point

[prime furnace]

so u-turn it is

[prime furnace]

by this I mean Glischomp having defog would ruin that

[fast blade]

@feral anchor Did it actually let you use Celebi with Geomancy?

[shadow arrow]

having both is fine, it just means playing around it

[prime furnace]

oh

[shadow arrow]

once their hazard setter is dead, you no longer really need defog

[glacial bane]

I'm using one

[boreal elk]

Oh, im sure but not having perfect balls, pokerus, and rare tutor movesets still hurts a little lmao

[prime furnace]

yeah true

[fast blade]

Damn that's wild

[glacial bane]

Won some games on the spot

[shadow arrow]

none of those matter when you can just change IV's/EV's at will on here

[prime furnace]

ok team is valid

[sharp depot]

the more i play showdown, the more i realised why i never played it in the first place

[prime furnace]

time to go to first match

[prime furnace]

and I got sweeped instantly..

stupid triple fusions

[sharp depot]

im gonna be honest, at first i liked showdown fusion. But the more i play it, the more i hate it. Probably because i never liked competitive games

[shadow arrow]

which one?

[slender abyss]

I like normal showdown but this is too chaotic and brain-dead for me

[prime furnace]

the one with meganium

[sharp depot]

gliscor fusions are too tough and can easily heal themselves through stalling

[prime furnace]

legit sweeped my whole team

[shadow arrow]

dragon dance set?

[wary flame]

It just like the start of every gen

[fast blade]

Anyone abusing simple bibarel yet?

[dull plaza]

_ why ban stuff, just adapt smh _

252+ SpA Choice Specs Beads of Ruin Tera Fire Chi-Yu Overheat vs. 252 HP / 4+ SpD Blissey in Sun: 668-788 (93.5 - 110.3%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO

[dusky steeple]

i tried

Uncle (Volcarona) @ White Herb
Ability: Simple
Fusion: Bibarel
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Quiver Dance
• Bug Buzz
• Fiery Dance
• Scald

[slender abyss]

Well because that's in ubers

It wouldn't work well in ubers

[dusky steeple]

it does not work, yes

[fast blade]

Not gonna do anything in ubers lol

I was looking forward to running Togekiss/Volcarona until I found out it was banned

[dusky steeple]

yeah, was experimenting, i'm not very good in competitive pkmn lol

[fast blade]

Fiery Dance spam

[dusky steeple]

ag meta is insane

[sharp depot]

sylveon/noivern is extremely powerful

[fast blade]

In OU bibarel is probably good

[dusky steeple]

crazy how a slaking with huge power is not good lol

[slender abyss]

That would be even worse

[sharp depot]

i tried that. it was decent, but no enough

[fast blade]

Yeah a lot of people are pushing to ban it

[shadow arrow]

try switching banette in gamecube for a bulkier ghost type like dusknoir

[sharp depot]

tried using sucker punch, powerup punch, play rough, and aqua jet with slaking/azumarill

[dusky steeple]

I just miss boots

[glacial bane]

meh

[sharp depot]

even with the boost from powerup punch, its still not enough to take out the bulkiest of pokemon

[dusky steeple]

I made this yesterday thinking I was cooking lol
Abomination (Rayquaza) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Contrary
Fusion: Shuckle
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Hasty Nature

• Draco Meteor
• Dragon Ascent
• V-create
• Stone Edge

[fast blade]

That's in game in modern mode lol

[sharp depot]

ag is filled with blissey fusions that are too bulky and will stall you. Heck, ive seen a blissey/aegislash fusion that, for some reason, knows spectral thief

[fast blade]

Does rayquaza get v create in this game though?

[dull plaza]

Special move tutor is why it can get Spectral Thief

[dusky steeple]

in showdown it does

dunno about the actual game

[sharp depot]

only showdown

i tried to use rayquaza/shuckle with contrary. but its still not enough

blissey/aegislash fusions would just tank the hits and steal the boosts with spectral thief

[dusky steeple]

that's exactly what happened

[prime furnace]

and I got my ass beat yet again by two gliscor fusions

[dusky steeple]

2 dracos and dude stole my stuff

[sharp depot]

i wouldnt be surprised if spectral thief got banned from showdown fusion

[dusky steeple]

crazy move, can't even taunt it

[sharp depot]

the only thing you can do is to try and bait with a switch

[prime furnace]

man competitive pokemon isnt fun

[sharp depot]

i tried to do online on Violet and it was not fun

i wanted to use some fun and powerful fusions, but even they are not enough

tried to do tyrantrum/talonflame with rock head

[prime furnace]

this is why I love random battles

[shadow arrow]

who else gets spectral thief besides aegislash?

[dusky steeple]

same, I was so excited when I saw this chat, but after some matches, not so much

[dusky steeple]

I'm waiting for that

[sharp depot]

having to constantly change pokemon is too time consuming

[prime furnace]

exactly

[sharp depot]

i also dont want to use meta pokemon because it doesnt feel fun

[dusky steeple]

also so mush stall without boots

[dull plaza]

Giratina, Bannette, and Gengar

[fast blade]

Yeah I mean shuckles attack is too low

[dusky steeple]

I wonder how it looks in doubles

[sharp depot]

actually the fusion uses most of rayquaza's attack

[prime furnace]

wait GameCube with spectral thief

[shadow arrow]

give me boots and recovery PP nerf

[prime furnace]

that would probably be good

[sharp depot]

this format needs heavy duty boots

[silver surge]

this format needs a hero

[fast blade]

Yeah but it's still drastically less than rayquaza by itself

And if you're the body your defense is low

[shadow arrow]

kyurem/raikou with boots

[fast blade]

Tail glow reshiram has to be nuts

[dull plaza]

Zapmolcuno with boots

[sharp depot]

zapmolcuno is useless

dies instantly from stealth rock

[dull plaza]

That’s why I said boots

[sharp depot]

that 6x weakness to rock

[silver surge]

*8x

[dull plaza]

The boots to keep stealth rock damage out:

[silver surge]

if its still flying type

[sharp depot]

i think it is

at least it is in the game

[dull plaza]

It’s all 4 types on showdown

[silver surge]

in the game its not even 1 pokemon

[sharp depot]

actually it is, you can get triple fusions

[silver surge]

literally OHKO to rocks

[shadow arrow]

it is when you hatch its egg

[silver surge]

there's an egg??

[sharp depot]

if you get 3 certain pokemon, you can get a triple fusion egg

[dull plaza]

That’s why I said boots would be so good for it

[prime furnace]

I need to fix this team... yet again....

[fast blade]

Wait lmao that's true it would instantly die

Octuble weakness lol

[shadow arrow]

would it be good even with boots?

[dull plaza]

Helps it’s biggest weakness and volt switch/u-turn to deal passive damage before switching out is a huge plus for it

[shadow arrow]

only 100 base speed though, would need to use agility

or run a more defensive set maybe

[dull plaza]

What are the most used OU fusions base speeds? Just asking

[prime furnace]

https://replay.pokeathlon.com/#replay=totalsylv-dirtdonut-1700267413662

i think I beat them at their own game lol

[dull plaza]

That’s what I was thinking with Volt Switch sets

It has 90/100/125 defenses which are pretty nice with 3 status immunities

[fast blade]

No probably not

[fast blade]

Probably a ton of variance, but the speed tiers are not that crazy. Sylvern is only 102 speed

[dull plaza]

How come not? It certainly covers it’s biggest weakness, but I want to hear your reasoning

[fast blade]

And that's like one of the big threats right now

[dull plaza]

Max speed invest I’m guessing?

[shadow arrow]

krook/weavile is 114,

[dull plaza]

I mean as long as you can roost up and not stay in for rock moves you have pretty good survivability

[sharp depot]

sylvern is really fast when you invest in max speed

[fast blade]

Because the power levels are crazy in this game. You have an incredible degree of synergy between moves/stats/typings/abilities.

Something like nidotar with 1 weakness, and sheer force alongside +110 attack would be borderline ubers in normal OU, but in this game its meh.

There's nothing particularly special about the triple fusion of the birds. Stats, abilities, etc

[prime furnace]

this is funny to me for some reason

I did not expect them to forfeit

[fast blade]

Yeah usually you're timid probably unless you're scarfed

[shadow arrow]

the sinnoh triple fusion is base 108 speed, with synthesis, swords dance, stealth rock, defiant, lots of options

[prime furnace]

Also did I do good lol

[shadow arrow]

dont see many people run it compared to johto triple

[fast blade]

Omg the garchomp fusion looks amazing

[feral anchor]

Yes

[prime furnace]

https://replay.pokeathlon.com/#replay=totalsylv-dirtdonut-1700268190744

I fought them again and destroyed their gliscor fusion

Moxie krookogon is op lol

[feral anchor]

i feel like making another team but i need a theme

[prime furnace]

I basically sweeped with sylnite and krookogon

[fast blade]

The sylnite does a crazy amount of work I may have to steel it

Not a great check to Sylvern tho like Sylveon/Arcanine is

[prime furnace]

yeah

but sylnite is good

[fast blade]

Well anytime you get a kill with moxie it snowballs. The stats on Krookogon isn't great and it doesn't have a super high BP option either

[prime furnace]

well adding flygon does help

[fast blade]

There's not really anything that great about flygon

The niche it used to have was as a boomburst user, you could run it with PorygonZ or Sylveon and it would have a crazy high BP attack.

But now Noivern completely invalidated it for that niche lol

[prime furnace]

I like my sylnite tho

[fast blade]

Yeah it's good

[prime furnace]

Sylnite (Sylveon) @ Choice Band
Ability: Pixilate
Fusion: Dragonite
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature

• Extreme Speed
• Facade
• Body Slam
• Earthquake

[fast blade]

Why body slam? It only adds 5 extra power from Espeed

[prime furnace]

I was mostly focused on the extreme speed

[fast blade]

Just run return instead

[prime furnace]

oh yeah

[fast blade]

Body slam is useless on the set, use like anything else

[prime furnace]

Sylnite (Sylveon) @ Choice Band
Ability: Pixilate
Fusion: Dragonite
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature

• Extreme Speed
• Facade
• Return
• Earthquake

[shadow arrow]

I was thinking maybe fire punch over bodyslam/return, grass/steel and bug/steel are fairly common from what i've played

[prime furnace]

oh actually you're right

[shadow arrow]

lots of ferrothorn fusions and tangrowth fusions

[prime furnace]

Sylnite (Sylveon) @ Choice Band
Ability: Pixilate
Fusion: Dragonite
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature

• Extreme Speed
• Facade
• Fire Punch
• Earthquake

better

[fast blade]

Yeah probably best

[fast blade]

Yeah I just figured if you need an option like body slam that's just "a STAB move with more power" then return is probably the best bet

But having coverage is probably better

[shadow arrow]

having 3 fairy moves seems like overkill lol

[prime furnace]

dude

its the same guy again

WHY DIRT DONUT AGAIN

[shadow arrow]

yeah, only like 80-100 people on the server rn

even smaller group playing gen7 ou specifically

[fast blade]

Seems kinda niche lol

Electrode with Pikachu would be amazing if light ball was legal

[shadow arrow]

i recognize that name actually

I think I bullied him with crocune

[fast blade]

I feel like if I played my team would be unreasonably stupid

[shadow arrow]

if you ever want to automatically win 50% of the time, crocune is still good here lol

but more people are running haze now so its not as crazy

[grave barn]

adaptability vs pixillate

ive ran Porygon Z dragonite and it packed

havent tried sylveon dnite cuz i run sylveon noivern

[shadow arrow]

arcanine and entei also get e-speed, entei has better stats but arcanine gets morning sun

[grave barn]

fairy type priority with 1.2x power

or 2x stab priority

pory dnite is normal type so i get the espeed stab

[shadow arrow]

normal can be immuned, fairy cant tho

[grave barn]

good point

but i got superpower to ohko a steel wall

it works every time lmfao

every time i get dnite z on they switch to a steel wall and i click superpower

tho im banded so i gotta switch out

power play

[shadow arrow]

hope its not a ferrothorn and you lose half you health lol

[grave barn]

well they were all ferrothorn skarmories

the trade is worth

i just need to put evryone on crawdaunt espeed range and sweep

crawdaunt i mean adaptability

craw is banned

[shadow arrow]

craw isnt even in the game

[grave barn]

oh

i thought it is

no wonder i thought its a broken mon to fuse

[shadow arrow]

sharpedo is in, not the other one

[grave barn]

my team is literally dragmag lol

zone lure overheats ferrothorn fusions

tho my zone lure is pretty frail

[fast blade]

Well arcanine gets intimidate which can be great for neutering sweepers, where as wbtei doesn't. Entei gets sacred fire tho

Arcanine is better for more defensive stuff, gets intimidate and recovery

Entei is better as a sweeper

[shadow arrow]

I was referring to sylveon fusions

for pixilate e-speed

[prime furnace]

https://replay.pokeathlon.com/#replay=totalsylv-dirtdonut-1700270169859

holy shit

that took forever

finally done

[autumn birch]

Wanna fight?

[fast blade]

Oh my bad

[fast blade]

😥

[shadow arrow]

we could've had crawdaunt and scrafty, instead we got sharpedo and cacturne for dark types...

[fast blade]

I don't mind sharpedo, but why tf did we get cacturne????? Crawdaunt>>>>>>>>>>>>Cacacturne

[midnight summit]

I love crawdaunt, but I will not stand for cacturne slander

we should just get both lol

[shadow arrow]

stepping away from being a sweaty gamer, scrafty would make such good fusion designs

[feral anchor]

sharpedo brought us to 69 water types tho sooo

[pure breach]

1000%

love Scrafty

[feral anchor]

at this point bibarel is going to be banned to ag

Bibarel + shift gear lmao

also i made another team, have fun watching it

https://replay.pokeathlon.com/#replay=dirtdonut-staros-1700271328006

[autumn birch]

R
wanna fight?

[feral anchor]

sure?

[autumn birch]

username: Tuesty

(showdown didnt allowed Guesty,Had to go with Tuesty)

[feral anchor]

Username: Staros

[autumn birch]

Give me a sec

I forgot to LOGIN DAMNIT

[feral anchor]

nice work

[autumn birch]

There we go

[feral anchor]

challenged

[autumn birch]

damnit

not again

[shadow arrow]

dirt donut still using the same team since yesterday dang

[feral anchor]

found another busted set because there are infinite of them

[slender holly]

people are really sleeping on marowak fusions

or pikachu

held items are kinda peak rn

[feral anchor]

false

[feral anchor]

banned from ou

[slender holly]

damn

[fast blade]

They are

Pikachu is banned

[glacial bane]

Meanwhile everyone is using Marowak + Scizor

[feral anchor]

https://pokepast.es/88b1b17a21f23c37
Made a team for Natdex OU

just realized it existed

[glacial bane]

Haven't tried Nat Dex because I imagine there being WAY too much bs like Simple Falinks or any fusion with The Fish

I also dropped out on gen 6

[slender holly]

used a regional team for a natdex match and learned to never try natdex again lmao

[glacial bane]

Should I ask what happened?

[vocal bolt]

natdex has too much stuff going

[slender holly]

dont remember the exact fusion but it was a trick room psychic terrain dracovish team

[glacial bane]

oh no...

Oh right...I wanted to see how Trick Room would perform in Regional OU

Has anyone tried it yet?

[runic oak]

So, this thing is incredible

Might give it a Choice Scarf to make it faster, but I'm really enjoying the role compression

[glacial bane]

Seems okay, but I may be missing something

Haven't considered Nuzzle on a lot of stuff

[vocal bolt]

jirachi os just a good to fuse in general, steel type, good stats everywhere, great movepool

yeah nuzzle is really good but I forgot it existed

[runic oak]

Double Iron Bash boosted by Serene Grace to give it somewhere in the region of 70% flinch chance or more

[glacial bane]

Oh right, Double IB has Flinch chance

Did you have any games with it yet?

[runic oak]

Just the one

[glacial bane]

I see

[runic oak]

The only unfortunate part is that this is one of only 2 fusions that can pull this off with decent speed

[fast blade]

It's nuts

Should definitely be banned lol

[glacial bane]

Ehhh...give it time...

It's an amazing revenge killer...and thats that

Atleast how I use it...

[quiet delta]

so the funniest thing about DIB is that it's a separate, individual 30% chance for each hit

we love to see it

[glacial bane]

Do you even need the paralyze at that point? Wouldn't Scarf be better?

[fast blade]

Any number of variations of thick club are broken

Double attack

Of the three with the option to double attack, the one with by far the highest base attack is the only legal one

[runic oak]

Yeah, it doesn't translate directly and this sort of math is a bit tricky

[fast blade]

Like bro you've got alakazam banned but thick club legal this is crazy

[runic oak]

Alakazam is banned?

[glacial bane]

I still have no clue why Alakazam is banned

[fast blade]

Yeah it's dumb

The full ban list

[glacial bane]

Enraicune is another that confuses me

[fast blade]

Mimikyu, Alakazam, and Volcarona are the ones that jump out st me

[runic oak]

Wow, we banned Mimikyu

[feral anchor]

Shuckle

[fast blade]

It's not good lol

[feral anchor]

they can ban abilities but they keep them locked in ubers???

[fast blade]

Maybe pin this for anyone wondering what's banned?

[glacial bane]

Quiver Dance is kinda good I guess, with amazing offensive typing and coverage

[runic oak]

Volcorona kind of makes sense considering that we really don't have any other good Quiver Dancers, but that's debateable

[feral anchor]

bellossom and venomoth are getting banned next

[glacial bane]

They atleast suck

[feral anchor]

they... dont

[glacial bane]

laughs in Celebi Geomancy

[runic oak]

Venomoth is decent, but Bellossom is pretty rough.

[glacial bane]

Really?

[fast blade]

Paldiatina the first dragon type ever to resist ice lol

[feral anchor]

Bellossom/Nidoking

[glacial bane]

Huh...

Sounds okay

[feral anchor]

sheer force grass/ground

[fast blade]

Yeah but it's not good enough on its own to warrant a ban. Might as well ban noivern because it gets boomburst, or celebi because it gets geomancy

[feral anchor]

at this point everything can be a threat so lets ban everything

[glacial bane]

Why are people bothered by Noivern?

[fast blade]

There's a reasonable line that can be drawn

[feral anchor]

boomburst kill my mons :(((

[runic oak]

Bans like these is the reason why I'm not super invested. It's funky to play around with, but it ain't accurate and it's full of the same arbitrary nonsense that led to why I stopped playing

[glacial bane]

Revenge kill

[snow tangle]

Are you able to use fusions in this? If so, how

[fast blade]

Unban alakazam and volcarona, ban thick club, gg's

[snow tangle]

Ik about the triple ones, but the others

[feral anchor]

Just ban marowak if we are banning thick club tbh there's no point in using marowak without it

[glacial bane]

When you select a pokemon you can choose a fusion (over its Level/Happiness)

[snow tangle]

Gotcha

Ty!

[feral anchor]

its like trying to use noivern without impulsively spamming choice specs pixilate boomburst

[fast blade]

I don't really care if you ban marowak or ban thick club. The same effect either way

[feral anchor]

Then it's bibarel next

[glacial bane]

Feeling like being on a Yugioh forum with these ban discussions 2 days after something comes out

[feral anchor]

Simple way too good

[fast blade]

Yanmega gets it

[runic oak]

Oh

[feral anchor]

Jynx gets it (in pif)

[fast blade]

Yeah yanmega only gets it in PIF, but not elsewhere. Same thing with tail glow ampharos iirc

[feral anchor]

i wante to use my latios/jynx but it feeels weird without quiver

[runic oak]

Lol, this crud is so inaccurate its commical

[feral anchor]

you can always complain in #1175117403219308654

[snow tangle]

Does thick club work with marowak fusions?

[fast blade]

Yes, it's broken

[glacial bane]

YES.

[snow tangle]

Thank you my associates

[glacial bane]

Btw, what's a good way to share teams? Saw some "prettier" ways from people instead of a wall of text

[shadow arrow]

theres a button at the bottom of the team builder that says upload to pokepaste

gives you a link to copy paste

[glacial bane]

Oh...neat

https://pokepast.es/1d2732b01a2ed76a
Just some good stuff I found (mainly from watching other people/opponents)

[livid delta]

for toxapex, why protect over baneful bunker?

[glacial bane]

I rather burn than poison

Honestly, either is good here...There were some times I wanted poison and other times I'm happy I was able to burn

[runic oak]

Toxapex stats are incredible. Probably gonna do some testing tomorrow when there are more people around to piss off

[shadow arrow]

what have I created

[snow tangle]

This is just imbalanced as fuck lmao 💀

[prime garnet]

Ngl, I'd split the 252 in speed EVs to your defensive stats and be a slow tank, that speed isn't worth it

[shadow arrow]

true

[prime garnet]

Adamant maybe too since attk could use it

Dark/Fire is a popular combo so you do have a good counter

[runic oak]

Was also working on some sick Loch Ness Abominations

[snow tangle]

Also, does stance change work with aegislash fusions?

[shadow arrow]

hp is a pretty good stat as it turns out lol

[glacial bane]

I think so

[prime garnet]

Very lol

[fast elm]

yep

[snow tangle]

Gotcha

[runic oak]

Lapras also has 80, 95 defenses, which are just good enough

Making them better is real nice though

[livid delta]

I dont think it works if aegislash isn't the main mon

[glacial bane]

Haze/Protect may be better than Scald if you want to focus on Perish Song

[runic oak]

Yeah, I haven't done any testing with this yet. I'm a wee bit Taunt paranoid

[snow tangle]

I assume stat buffs don't carry over with stance change then

[glacial bane]

It's complicated

[snow tangle]

Gotcha

[runic oak]

Stance Change works best with a Pokemon with high defenses because they flip

[snow tangle]

Got it, ty

[runic oak]

Though, if you ever try to use it in IF specifically it's actually a bit glitchy

[glacial bane]

I only remember Aegislash not properly working in base IF

[snow tangle]

Bc I had a funny idea with an aegislash fusion with like, 1200+ def due to iron defense
But uh, it did not in fact have a shit ton of damage

[runic oak]

Sometimes the stats don't flip correctly. I've found that switching moves like U-Turn or Volt Switch are usually the trigger

[fast blade]

Interesting that they banned shell smash, when they basically banned volcarona simply due to quiver dance

[feral anchor]

they banned azu just for having huge power, and then proceeded to also ban huge power because azurill was just too broken

[runic oak]

THE SAD BOY IS JUST TOO STRONG

[fast elm]

nah huge power isn't banned in if dex

just azu

[feral anchor]

one sec

[runic oak]

Shell Smash is a move tutor, so their could be more Smashers than normal, but it is definitely a weird ban

[feral anchor]

well it was banned earlier. just made something.

[dusky steeple]

How good is Venomoth Bibarel with Simple + Quiver?

[fast elm]

it turns the entire meta into shell smash abusers which is super boring

[fast blade]

Togekiss gets shell smash lol

[feral anchor]

Azunite (Azurill) @ Life Orb
Ability: Huge Power
Fusion: Dragonite
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Extreme Speed
• Dragon Dance
• Earthquake
• Brick Break
  96 base attack lmao

[runic oak]

Garchomp should probably be looked at since Dragon Dance is a TM, which it CAN learn

[feral anchor]

funny how shuckle went from having literally 0 competitive usage to being banned to ubers

[runic oak]

It can join the ranks of Wobbuffet and Wynaut in early gens

[feral anchor]

Don't Fuckle with Shuckle.

[fast blade]

Garchomp gets dragon dance in this game?????

That doesn't seem right

[feral anchor]

Mew gets quiver dance in the game.

qdance is a tm

[fast blade]

Bug/Water isn't a crazy good typing, you don't get stab Fiery Dance

[feral anchor]

Honestly just use Klingklang/Bibarel if you want simple

[runic oak]

Bug/Water is decent defensively, but it is true you don't get stab

[median thunder]

do the triple fusions get all abilities like ingame

[fast blade]

Lol they banned azurill???

[shadow arrow]

the triple fusions get all the hidden abilities of the starters @median thunder

[feral anchor]

it was somewhere else

but i just did osmething funny

https://pokepast.es/d3d49cfa13674c1b
https://replay.pokeathlon.com/#replay=staros-ceoofgenesect-1700279205514&player=staros

Entei also has E-Speed so now you can have 2 (viable) ones

3 if you add lucario

[median thunder]

n can marrowwak be either part of the fusion to use the held item

[astral yoke]

I think u mean Azumarill

Also, kinda strange they banned it. Would make more sense to ban huge power instead no?

[autumn birch]

caffeine
any suggestions for me to add some fusions to add my team (note: Must be below OU tier)

[astral yoke]

I'm currently out atm, idk what is your team

[autumn birch]

(ignore torlurk,its not apart of it)

[astral yoke]

What's your klinkmime for?

[feral anchor]

does species clause not exist?

[autumn birch]

...its nat dex.

also

i tried validating

It accepted.

wtf?

[feral anchor]

AG?

[autumn birch]

no

its ou

[fast elm]

species clause is modified to only block multiple identical fusions

[fast blade]

No I don't. He said azurill

[dusky steeple]

I feel like Poison Heal should not be in OU

It's just so busted

[fast elm]

yep its on our list of ban suspects in natdex and if dex!

[dusky steeple]

Is this list public?

[fast elm]

its very unofficial considering i made it 15 minutes ago and its 4:30am for me but i can post it here if you want

[astral yoke]

Do it

Should generate some discussion

Personally i haven't found Poison Heal a problem yet, but only because my answers to it i feel should be banned as well lol

[dusky steeple]

It's a good idea to make it public, I think, so we can have mor people engaging

[ruby current]

Poison Heal is a little strong

[fast elm]

first 3000 battles impressions:

banning thick club in nd and ingame dex: it matches well with the decision to ban light ball and is debatably really strong

1 ability clause: prevents a team from having two of the same ability, this is a great option for limiting regenerator/pheal/unaware cores from being too extensive and forces players to be more creative

gliscor: really really popular fusion component in both metas, seems to be stronger in nd than in the regional dex, so maybe an nd ban is warranted, but hasn't reached the same level of popularity in the regional dex probably because of good alternatives like skarm/regen fusions

sylveon+noivern: the most popular fusion in use on ifdexou ladder, pretty counterable and just a good solid option, no change for now

double iron bash: doesn't hit as hard as expected, still great with fast serene grace for flinching stuff down, but probably not bannable considering the number of good steel/water walls

geomancy: feels like it could be banned in the future but has seen very little use, so we'll leave it for now

triage: really high usage, likely to be banned in natdex

[autumn birch]

Thick club is broken as hell

• with strong Attackers

[fast elm]

please take consider this a rough draft

[autumn birch]

sheesh your gonna get Sweeped

Hold on

@astral yoke Can i test smth with you?

[astral yoke]

Thick club is not "debatably" strong. It's just plain strong

[fast elm]

and bans might not reflect what it says exactly

[autumn birch]

Yeah

whats ur username again

[astral yoke]

I'm still out atm

[autumn birch]

damnit

[dusky steeple]

I think gliscor is ok, the issue is the ability

[autumn birch]

but um

[astral yoke]

I think the 1 ability clause will more specifically hurt the current weather teams

Since currently alot of weather teams run 2 weather setters

[ruby current]

You could test with me, I'm Porygodofseizures

[snow tangle]

So how would I make Aegislash fusions work

Because they just, don't seem to for me

[autumn birch]

This is was a Dragon dance (1x not 2x i think) Thick club Salamence/Marowak With max IV and EV attack

[astral yoke]

Is Gliscor really that big a threat? Then again i guess if u took away my Marowak, it might be far harder to deal with

[autumn birch]

This shit is gonna one shot most

[dusky steeple]

Also should Tpex be OU or am I just a stall hater?