pif-hoenn-discussion

[thin pawn]

I think most of the gen 8 pokemon aren't that interesting

[trail hull]

Milcery line , sinistea line, applin line these are all great

[white meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/ceruledge-armarouge-pokemon-battle-fire-type-gif-2211779730944371707

I do like Ceruledge because I always wanted a haunted armor Pokemon. I once thought that Honedge would become something like that back in Gen 6 and got disappointed it became a sword with shield.

[thin pawn]

Agree to disagree

[trail hull]

Don’t slender the dessert combo trio

[full bison]

I like Toxitricity too

Glimmora is my third favorite Pokemon ever due to how pretty and bizarre it is. I remember seeing it initially and being underwhelmed, then I used it in battle and saw it fan out its petals and was instantly a fan

Gen 8 is definitely the Gen with the worst good-to-meh ratio tho

All 3 starters being a swing and a miss definitely contributed to that

[fallen loom]

I like Gen 8 fossils

[full bison]

Orbeetle was a fun regional bug, even if it sucked statistically

I hate Gen 8 fossils

[thin pawn]

I don't like Gen 8 fossils

[full bison]

They're actively some of my least favorite Pokemon ever, only beaten out by Watchog

[fallen loom]

damn

[thin pawn]

zacian and zamazenta are ok

Eternatus is kind of lame

[full bison]

I wanted a Dunkleosteus fossil Mon so bad, and it was wasted on an abomination that Arceus will judge the world of man for

[rancid nymph]

How many people didn’t realize this was shiny

[fallen loom]

Eternatus should have been yellow

[thin pawn]

Why yellow

[fallen loom]

Magenta, Cyan, Yellow

[full bison]

Centiskorch is pretty cool. Not as awesome as Volcarona but not a lot can strive to that ideal

[fallen loom]

Zamazenta, Zacian

[white meadow]

Surprised they never made a Zallow dog

[thin pawn]

pokemon gun

[white meadow]

My other reason to hate that gen. Everyone was robbed on a cool Raptor Pokemon. I wanted Raptozolt

[fallen loom]

Isle of armor legend doesn't even use armor

[thin pawn]

Wait this is true

[full bison]

On that note I despise Urshifu and Calyrex

[thin pawn]

I'm impartial to Urshifu but Calyrex is so bad

[rancid nymph]

If you can even call it a legendary

[fallen loom]

Calyrex looks like some guy you're meant to love getting beaten up

[white meadow]

Urshifu didn't even need to be a Legendary. I hate Calyrex so much

[inland jewel]

To be fair we could add gen 8-9 mons

[full bison]

Urshifu has an OK design but I can't ignore the horrible effects it had on VGC

[inland jewel]

It just won’t have their abilities and moves that come from those gens

[fallen loom]

no

[inland jewel]

So Glimorra will only have Merciless,

[fallen loom]

we don't even have all Gen 4-7

[full bison]

*corrosion

[inland jewel]

And will not have mortal spin out

[white meadow]

I prefer the rest of 4 and 5. I don't care for gens 8 and 9 except for Ceruledge

[inland jewel]

True but then Glimorra’s only toxic move is toxic

[full bison]

Ok but Tinkaton getting in and playing Monster Hunter with all its fusions would be awesome

[fallen loom]

I'd rather have the UBs

[inland jewel]

Yeah but how useable will it be without its gigantic hammer?

[full bison]

It apparently has a really good support kit

[white meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/mazumé-youmu-kogasa-myon-karakasa-gif-22212773

I'm surprised we don't have a Kasa-Obake Pokemon. Is Gamefreak afraid of putting in an Umbrella

[rancid nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/tinkaton-meme-tinkaton-evolution-line-hammer-pokemon-pink-pokemon-pokemon-game-gif-9587729220058263287

[fallen loom]

Shuppet is the closest we have to an umbrella

[full bison]

Maybe someday we can have a whole game dedicated to Kitakami and get way more Yokai fusions

[fallen loom]

half of Kitakami is just base game Paldea for some reason

I feel like Kitakami was meant to be the upper right side of the map, but changed it to near Johto

[trail hull]

They didn’t want to model more mons so decided to recycle

[fallen loom]

you mean the mon they already have models for???

[white meadow]

We have a lot of Yokai Pokemon already such as Eevee the Tanuki, Hypno/Musharna the Baku, Ludicolo/Golduck the Kappas and many more. Kanto, Hoenn, Sinnoh and Johto are already Japan and Kitakami is technically in the same land north of Kanto/south of Sinnoh

[trail hull]

I mean that they added paldea mons to not have to model more returning mons

[full bison]

I'll give you the others, but Eevee as a Tanuki feels like a stretch

[fallen loom]

but they already had a load from Gen 8 games!

[full bison]

It looks nothing like a raccoon dog

[fallen loom]

Eevee is a fox

Zigzagoon is a tanuki

[trail hull]

But they completely remade the models

[fallen loom]

no they didn't

they re-textured them

[trail hull]

No they are different or the very least remodeled

[fallen loom]

also Pokémon made like 3 sets of 3D models in a generation and a half:
Pokédex 3D Pro
Poképark Wii 2 (only new mon apply)
XY

[fallen loom]

no they're not

[full bison]

They have been using the exact same models since XY. In fact the XY models were deliberately made with an excessive amount of polygons so they wouldn't have to keep remaking them for each new gen

All that was changed were textures

[trail hull]

They are different

[fallen loom]

textures + pose

[trail hull]

This isn’t just a retreture

[trail hull]

Longer neck

[full bison]

Hackers literally ripped the models from the newer games and held them up against the Gen 6-7 ones and they were identical

[white meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/toon-link-wind-waker-gif-21771259

[full bison]

They're just posed different

[white meadow]

I think Pokemon should have fully embraced Cel shading and gone with full on cel shaded graphics like Windwaker and Breath of the Wild. The current graphical style the modern games have make all the characters and pokemon look like they're made of plastic, so its kinda off putting.

[fallen loom]

yeah

[full bison]

Different pose and slightly different angle

[fallen loom]

they made the colours dull so it looked more like RB... even though it only applies to Gen 1+2 mon

I wish Persian would have its tail up instead of down, since the dex says more powerful Persian have their tails higher

[trail hull]

Oh that’s a good point

[thin pawn]

gen 8 starters bad

gen 9 starters are 2/3 bad

all the gen 7 starters with good designs have bad stats

[full bison]

I actually like Quaquaval, so I would say the Gen 9 starters are just 1/3 bad
But man do I dislike Meowscarada

[weak trellis]

I don't mind them for the most part though gen 8's does have one of my bottom 3 mons

at least it's not the final evo tho but I will 100% eviolite grookey to level 34 without remorse or shame rofl

[velvet root]

I love Meowscarada

[full bison]

I just hope Gamefreak saw all the people who liked Skeledirge and go back to not making every single Starter look like something out of Zootopia

[weak trellis]

or go back to having mons be species again instead of characters but that mostly feels like it ramped up in gen 7 or so

[velvet root]

https://tenor.com/view/meowscarada-magic-magical-gif-12850066301932748711

[weak trellis]

(though there are still elements of that in the earlier gens though with cubone being a standout)

[thin pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/aqua-konosuba-kazuma-sad-hand-on-shoulder-gif-2472116041386216360

[full bison]

I don't mind them being characters as long as they're blended well into the design and aren't "cat with thigh high stockings and a mask"

[weak trellis]

ROFL actually I've said it before but if I had to point to any gen 1-5 mon that feels like a gen 7-9 mon I'd probably point to cubone/marowak first

[thin pawn]

Quaguqaval is genuinely one of my least favorite mons

[velvet root]

Same

[weak trellis]

I don't mind it but I can see that

[thin pawn]

Meowscarada is just okay

[full bison]

Skeledirge has the character of "musician," but it was actually blended into its design well instead of invading it the way it does in, say, the Gen 8 starters

[thin pawn]

Skeledirge is kind of lame but compared to the other two it's incredible

[weak trellis]

usually if I dislike a mon it's usually because the concept is lazy and based too much on a pre-existing evo (thwakey, sneaseler) or outright bad (smoochum) or something that just kinda messes with how I feel things are supposed to be (meltan/melmetal with messing up both the mythical term and what counts as gen 7 vs 8, archuraludon to an extent as well)

[full bison]

Quaquaval at least blends the flamboyancy of a carnival dancer with the most flamboyant animal possible in a peacock. There's good cohesion there.
Meowscarada is supposed to be a magician, but the bedroom eyes, mask, and stockings make it look like it was designed solely for Rule 2

[velvet root]

I think thats more a you think weird problem 💀

[dusty arrow]

literally not

you can see the build of the face is significantly different

no matter what pose and angle, the face would not look like that if it was the same model

charizards old vs new model

charizard is a lot.. sharper? in his new model

the models have clearly changed, even if its not obvious at first

[full bison]

Literally the only thing that looks moderately different is the whiskers

And they aren't so drastically different that I can say it's definitely a new model

[dusty arrow]

the snout on persians new model looks different by a lot

and the neck is 100% longer

its not "just the angle", persians new model is slimmer and more agile feeling

[full bison]

It's 100 percent the angle and pose. You see more of the snout because of a different angle, and that makes it look longer

[dusty arrow]

look how slimmer it is compared to the swsh model

[full bison]

We literally had the models ripped and compared side by side and they were the same

[full bison]

Show me the same picture over and over again all you want, it changes nothing

[dusty arrow]

persians sv model is much thinner than it was in swsh

different angle from the dex

[weak trellis]

I forget what game they first came from in their modern forms was it the BW pokedex app in 2011 or am I thinking of another one

[dusty arrow]

also imo this slight remodel looks more accurate to the main art for persian

[weak trellis]

since I recall a lot of models changed at some point going from gen 4 to 6 (eevee's XD model compared to its XY one for a good example)

[full bison]

The Stadium models were made by a completely separate team, so of course those are different

[white meadow]

It just feels that the reason why most new starters are upright humanoids is to cash in on Lucario's popularity. The internet went nuts with Braixen, Meowscarda and Cinderace. However, I don't want to blame Lucario for this trend. I guess Blaziken might be blamed for being the first starter that's humanoid, but it feels more like later gen mons took after Lucario's design playbook. The "Stay on all fours Sprigatitto" memes are hilarious though

[weak trellis]

I read "meowstic" for a second there and was like "???"

but yea the actual first attempt was Zoroark which didn't pan out because people wanted, well, lucario

so they put riolu before the first gym in both B2/W2 and X/Y and put zoroark all the way in the endgame in the latter

[thin pawn]

Apparently they do it because it makes fight scenes in the anime easier with two legged pokemon

[weak trellis]

(and put it in the former as a "get out of caitlin/shauntal free" card rofl)

also I can see that too

[thin pawn]

I feel like the anime has been a double edged sword for the games

It boosted the games' popularity by an unbelievable amount, but overall damaged the quality and gameplay in the long run

[white meadow]

I don't like that it bled into the games at times. The games have long since been regarded as its own universe since The Pokémon Company split Ash from being Red's anime counterpart. (Richie from the Indigo league is also Red's counterpart representing player 2). The fact that they had to design certain Pokémon for the animators feels like a drag that holds back game design. If they want bipedal, fine, but they don't have to make it humanoid.

[thin pawn]

Couldn't have said it better myself

[weak trellis]

I was gonna say they do also design other mons directly for the anime as well (audino I believe was directly confirmed to be the case there but also the pikaclones I'm willing to guess too)

then again BW literally bases its EXP curve around audino so in some cases they can give it a gameplay niche

[white meadow]

To be honest, it feels like the games are an aftertought now. The real meat and potatoes for the franchise is the merchandise. The Pokémon company makes most of their earnings from the plushies, toys and other licensed merch alone. As well as the games sell, they don't scratch the surface of what the Pikachu plush at your local Target sells. Because of that, the games have been treated as more of an interactive catalog to pitch and sell monsters to people rather than being good games themselves. It doesn't help the fact that having to design another 100 monsters each gen has become a logistical nightmare.

[median fox]

The files themselves are literally identical
If you take the raw models and stack them ontop of eachother you objectively get the same models
This was figured out
And is where gamefreak lied came from

Your using random images to argue something people figured out was true ages ago now

[weak trellis]

and even if they didn't figure it out, it's still the reality they decided was conclusively true

translated: "sorry, majority rules and it's not in favor of the defense here lol"

[proud lion]

So the surprise was the friends we made along the way

[velvet root]

Oh I thought the elemental monkeys that are faintly in the babckground of the pictures

[proud lion]

All I saw was my Zorua and Ganondorf

https://tenor.com/view/ganon-ganondorf-suavamente-gif-23317807

[weak trellis]

a great success either way

[full bison]

Zoroark was cool. The problem with why it didn't catch on is that it was made event exclusive for some reason beyond comprehension

Lucario was made decently available with the egg from Riley

[weak trellis]

yep, could only get it through one of two events or by breeding the offspring of them

(one of them was forced female from what I recall but ditto was not available in BW without importing?)

it might have been a white hollow or dream world mon, I forget

[full bison]

The Zoroark was always female cause the Zoroark in the movie was a momma

[full bison]

Did people ever make that mistake with Zoroark? The movie was pretty clear about it and Zorua being an Evo line, and this was before Cosmog established Legendary Pokemon can evolve too

I guess the movie did make Zoroark look incredibly powerful, what with holding the Legendary Beasts at bay

[white meadow]

Yeah, people think that Zoroark is a legendary at first. Lucario was also thought as a Legendary. The movies made them more badass and powerful than they already are.

[weak trellis]

I could see mythical more considering that in most cases "mythical" and "event only" were one in the same prior to about ORAS or so

though then again some actual legends had also been subject to that, such as ho-oh and luiga in gen 3 so I can see that too

[fallen loom]

anime ruins everything

Why didn't Torterra have any wins? Because quadruped
Why didn't Oshawott evolve? Because quadruped eventually

[weak trellis]

speaking of the anime didn't it also have dazzling gleam as a contact move in gen 7 (and only gen 7) because it made more sense with Tapu Koko

[fallen loom]

it had vine whip as physical before Gen 4 too

[weak trellis]

I was gonna say yea I'd imagine a lot of the pre gen 4 PSS stuff was ignored

[white meadow]

The PIF Hoenn feature where you have a rematch and battle the Pokémon you traded to the trainer, It adds a great dynamic and allows one to add challenge when giving NPCs powerful Pokémon. Is it a Hoenn exclusive or will it be in normal PIF eventually?

[sudden jackal]

I'm guessing pifh exclusive but it could happen

[inland jewel]

me when i give my opponent chansey fusions

[full bison]

It will be pretty funny seeing the bots get updated with "if you want easy XP, just trade someone a Blissey

[inland jewel]

the funny part is that pokemon evolve based on how many times you fight them plus the amount of gyms

so you can easily just give them a happiny and it will evolve

no need to find an oval stone or level chansey yourself

[quaint matrix]

Better have the HP EV-reducing items ready tho

[summer apex]

you think the average player knows what an EV is?

[quaint matrix]

Well I do so how dare you

[languid oyster]

I don't really know what it is.

[prime dust]

here's how you deal with Evs and IVs in this game

https://tenor.com/view/thats-the-neat-part-you-dont-invincible-gif-27194608

they honestly aren't needed, even on expert difficulty

[quaint matrix]

I mean sure but also

Minmaxing is funny and fun

[low tree]

Not what I'd call it but you do you

[torn crane]

Stall pokimon needs iv and ev

[quaint matrix]

I mean realistically it's hard to EV train for this fangame specifically since unlike a lot of fangames you don't really explicitly get the tools to help you there

Besides the EV vitamins/feathers

It works almost the same way as EV training in Pokemon games before Gen 6 lol

[dire crane]

i love the feathers

made it easy to ev for specific things

(thatd youd never need bc the game isnt hard at all)

[quaint matrix]

Yeah but it's fun to say you have a 252/252/4 EV+ mon in this game

[dire crane]

(please give an actual challenging mode in pifh please i beg you)

[full bison]

Making this game difficult is hard when you can just make overpowered abominations like Poryvern and Azumawak

[rose bloom]

That being said, making the game harder would make using said abominations more satisfying

[prime dust]

there is one

it is locked behind the experimental options in the help man

[prime dust]

not really

expert mode did just that

but frog didn't like how it was made difficult for the sake of difficulty

so he plopped it in the help man

advanced options
experimental options
other experimental options

then just turn on Expert

the only fight you won't have it active for is the very first rival battle

[rose bloom]

I should probably try an expert mode run at some point

See how hard it really is

I've been enjoying my own challenge run a lot so harder runs are def my thing

[dire crane]

wtf really? so choosing the expert difficulty in the menu isnt actually the hard mode?

jeez

gonna have to replay again with only doubles on the real expert mode ffs

and i used the randomizer regularly how did i not know this

[prime dust]

hard is an added difficulty curve, not a mode

it just boosts levels by 10%

of enemy mons

[trainers only]

expert is the real whopper in that every boss fight has perfect evs/ivs

but when in doubt

?tag modes

[opal trail]

Here's an explanation for the different game modes! https://infinitefusion.fandom.com/wiki/Game_Modes

[dire crane]

Nice

[trail hull]

Welcome to PPIF News!

This is the first and probably last article of this journal.
Due to the end of fusion day’s month ending I interviewed the member with the most sprites made during the event of each team, that I know of.

For ruby we have the prince of prinplup mr person.
For emerald we have the dex entry maniac Izik.
And for sapphire we have the mudkip lover mudkipstire.
Each of them have been asked the same question and here is their answer:

1. What Pokémon do you want to add if you win?
🟥 :Hippowdon line
🟢 :Komala probably
🟦 : It's something I've put a good deal of thought into. There's so many reasons for what I'd pick, so many factors like what would be cool to sprite, what would be cool to use in game, what people want etc…. However given the fact I'd have the chance to add something personally, I would [most likely add the Swoobat line].

2. Did you partake any even and if so did you prioritize any?
🟥 : The only event I really participated in was Prize Hunters. Just not really a contest guy.
🟢 : The rush for the chart, the salvage rush

I guess I prioritized the rush but mostly because I thought I'd be letting people down if I didnt

🟦 : I did partake in a few events, most if not all of the spriting contests. And realistically they became low priority once I started speed spriting.

3. What was your strategy to get this many sprites ?
🟥 :Not much. I just made as many sprites as I could that gave me bonus points.
🟢 : I’m just trying to fill out my charts
🟦 : My strategy for the most part has been not necessarily producing low quality sprites- I'm still relatively happy with the quality for most of them -but making sprites that don't have a lot to them so they still look good even with a low amount of effort. I think also pushing to get Pokefans for these Pokemon helped in ensuring I made around 50 of each.

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4.After the event is over would you still continue to sprite or would you take a break?
🟥 : I would like to sprite whatever mons we end up getting but I’d definitely like to take it slower after the event’s over.
🟢 : I doubt that I’ll take a break
🟦 :
5.How does it feel being one of the few people closest to winning the second line addition?
🟥 : Pretty good. I honestly don’t think I’ll win, with Mudkipster having way more points than me. But I tried, and made a lot of sprites in the process, and that’s what counts.
🟢 : like others are more worthy
🟦 : It feels.. surreal. I feel pride seeing just how many sprites I've made in such a short time period. I've nearly doubled my TOTAL sprites since I started in April. I've nearly doubled that amount, all since August 8th. And my plan IS to double that because it's feasible and would be really, really cool. It also gives me a lot of anxiety the thought that I could get to add a second line to the game. But that's something I won't elaborate on.

This concludes the todays article thank you to whoever will read this entirely and thank to all 3 of the interviewed people

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[clear lichen]

Fusion day's moth? Holy shit

Triple Moth Fusion confirmed

[trail hull]

[full bison]

AKA weaker Volcarona

[trail hull]

After tomorrow we have a 3 days gap of event

[slim otter]

The three teams: Emerald Ruby, Emerald, and Saphir

[trail hull]

I read it multiple times but I still somehow missed typos

[next flare]

Cool article still

[trail hull]

Thank you 😊

[inland jewel]

yo so the chances of getting swoobat in is high

i love the heart bat

a new simple/unaware mon

[thin pawn]

Nah

[bronze barn]

personally I think I'm winning y'all aren't realizing I already sproted all autogens missing from the game

gonna post them uhm last minute and put them all in gallery a minute later frfr

[gray stream]

no im winning

[dusty arrow]

https://tenor.com/view/rouxls-kaard-rouxls-deltarune-entrance-gif-23640231

https://tenor.com/view/rouxls-rouxls-kaard-deltarune-nvm-gif-3288971893523549950

[thin pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/this-aint-it-aint-it-gif-13185560610801657469

[gray stream]

hater

[clear lichen]

Points race is extremely close, way closer than I imagined

[full bison]

It's genuinely anybody's game right now

The fact that it's so close also means people don't have any reason to freak out about Emerald having a big number of people on the team

[velvet root]

We always said we are 15~ people doing shit

[molten loom]

~~Nah we do, since if even 1% of our team did something it would be different ~~

[quaint matrix]

Surely there's at least a lot of dex submission entries from you guys

[thin pawn]

Just wait until Emerald locks in and starts teaching all 1000+ members of their team how to sprite

[velvet root]

We wish we saw 100 emeralds talk on this server at all qwq

[molten loom]

Was it even 50?

[velvet root]

Max

[molten loom]

50 is what it feels like max

[velvet root]

Whatever
After work today I try to do more again

[next flare]

Oh yeah?
Prove it!
Show us your sprite for…

*pulls a random fusion of a stained sack

Taillow/Glaceon

[gray stream]

nice #sprite-requests testphire

[lofty spindle]

Huh, was not aware the events even started, let alone finished.

[full bison]

I can't speak for Sapphire, but over on Ruby it's mostly the same few dedicated team members talking as well. There's an occasional new face, but it's usually not the busiest

[thin pawn]

In Sapphire everybody is talking, there's not a single silent team member

[velvet root]

That would b sad

[clear lichen]

Really? Not out of like, 600+?

Anyways I'm pretty active but not really for the team events because I'm a lazy fuck and can't be bothered to do stuff

[quaint matrix]

It's hard for me to be active there when the big discussions all center around spriteworks tbf

You saw me actively involved when like there's discussions of other teams or dex entries and stuff

I don't got anything to give on spriteworks besides "hell yea dude"

[sudden jackal]

Sapphire chat is really chill I act like a cheerleader for fun 😂

And even got help with naming a couple of my Pokemon for a Nuzlocke I'm doing with a naming scheme of video game characters

[white meadow]

Same here. The Emerald channel is mostly full of spriting stuff and I don't want to feel like I would interrupt their momentum. I just say "cool sprites!" and that's it

[rose bloom]

<@&306953740651462656>

[outer matrix]

why hasn't that been taken down yet

[next flare]

<@&306953740651462656> Kill this guy for having a bad password

Also for spamming a sketchy link in 5 channels

[rancid nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-memes-ksi-thick-of-it-mods-discord-mod-gif-2830572923502966674

[copper arrow]

is is PIF hoenn an expansion of the PIF or a separate game?

[quaint matrix]

Separate

[low ice]

how does one get PIF hoenn, or is it even out yet?

[median fox]

Nkt out yet

[low ice]

ah ok

good to know

[trail hull]

I love the fact that after a mons gets added the hate slowly dissapear like with luvdisc or bruxish

[median fox]

Naw i still hate luvdisc

I have a box in my game devoted to shaming every luvdisc that ends up there

[gray stream]

there’s always one

or two

or four

[median fox]

Theres 2 in there
Ones called "waterfall sim" and the others just there

[quaint matrix]

It's hard to hate Luvdisc and Bruxish when they at this point just follow the pattern of "...and here's a random-ass fish Pokemon at the end of the current line because why not"

I mean I'd rather it ends with a funny/unexpected Mythical but hey I'm not Frog lol

[sterile spoke]

This of course means that Wishiwashi is confirmed for the next Pokédex update. 😂

[quaint matrix]

Hell why not

Wishiwashi has more worth than like a lot of other fuckass fish mons

[low tree]

luvdisc has so many cute fusions im glad its here

[trail hull]

Yay

[zenith token]

I mean, yeah

Wishiwashi has its own niche with its schooling form

[rancid nymph]

How much is big Luvdisc paying you?

[low tree]

0 dollars. i just love cute pink heart things

[spiral musk]

probably a single heartscale

[low tree]

just look at the farfetch'd one 🥺

[rancid nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/thanks-i-hate-it-no-thanks-gif-18664913

[low tree]

i also like this one for the funni ehe

[low tree]

to each their own

[trail hull]

I want to do some more luvdisc heads but that will have to wait until the event is over

[spiral musk]

luvdisc heads can be surprisingly fun, but bodies too

[sterile spoke]

True, the potential for Schooling fusions would be great. 😄

[sterile spoke]

That Arceus is just stunning. ❤️

[full bison]

I still dislike Luvdisc. I just ignore it mostly

No use making a stink over it

[median fox]

Only time i hate it is when im high
I went on a 30 minute rant about it one time

[inland jewel]

to be fair, if you have a wishiwashi fusion you HAVE to take schooling or you're stuck with a 125 bst mon

since it stats as the tiny form then uses schooling to become to big form

[lofty spindle]

Really it just stings if there was a vote, because it truly feels like the result will never be something people wanted, somehow.

[trail hull]

The vocal minority might not have wanted it but the silent majority did

And so we end up with mons that don’t get a lot of fusions

[velvet root]

majority*

[trail hull]

I live not realizing what’s wrong even after re reading

[full bison]

I still remember how upset some spriters were at the prospect of making Kommo-o scales

But the fan vote spoke, so...

[median fox]

Kommo-o is soooo fun

[trail hull]

Yeah , it didn’t get that many sprites

[median fox]

Ifni was capable of motivation id totally make a bunch just cause i love him

[next flare]

Scales are fun
I just need to pick up the slack

[trail hull]

Since the deadline is the 30th for points we might know which team will have the right to vote this month

[full bison]

It's a pretty close contest so far. I'm imagining it's either Ruby or Sapphire based on the here and now

Emerald has a good shot too, but it's a bit of a tighter squeeze for them

[fallen loom]

Kommo-o + ?

[next flare]

Typhlosion

[undone stirrup]

When

[fallen loom]

who is better?

[quaint matrix]

There's at least something there as an option tho

Compared to Luvdisc basically having to be carried

[viscid fossil]

One of these can attach a basic energy from the discard pile to one of your benched Pokémon
I think the answer is clear

[full bison]

I do like how Eelektross realized that it could play by the Hoenn Special of having good mixed attacking stats at the expense of everything else by making it so it's defenses aren't the absolute worst thing ever. 85/80/80 isn't good bulk, but it's still serviceable for a playthrough team, and honestly that's enough for me to appreciate it

[quaint matrix]

Yes

Now imagine if it were fused to mons with really good bulk and capabilities

Say

Toxapex

[full bison]

Poison/Electric with Levitate is a deceptively good defensive type. That sounds really fun to try out if Sapphire wins

[quaint matrix]

Yeah like literally the only thing that'll even pose a trouble is Psychic and like

Really now

[fast quiver]

the hoenn game should have hoenn starters imo

[quaint matrix]

Did you think it won't?

[fallen loom]

The Hoenn game should let you pick different gens of starters like in IF

[rain locust]

the hoenn game should let you pick different games like ruby or sapphire or emerald

[inland jewel]

Just merge the route encounters to be from all three

[fast quiver]

hoenn game should be set in unova

[prime dust]

all 5

frog did say he would likely end up using stuff from OR/AS

where applicable obviously

[glad pawn]

the hoenn game should have pokemon in it

[rough wraith]

I would like that too

The hoenn game should

[ember hamlet]

damn pokemon in my pokemon game?

[trail hull]

Congratulations rubies that’s very impressive

[velvet root]

[fast quiver]

nah this is too much of a stretch ngl

would feel out of place

they should add stands from JJBA to the hoenn game

[clear lichen]

They should add human souls as held items that your pocket monsters absorb when switching in, giving them a double omniboost

[gray stream]

true

[dusty arrow]

human souls? monsters absorbing them?

toby fox, is that you?

[clear lichen]

I am not Robert F. "Toby 'Radiation' Fox" Fox

[dusty arrow]

ah

i see

you must be tony fox then

[quaint matrix]

No he's Sebastian deWolf

[dusty arrow]

ew, guess we gotta kill him

[clear lichen]

No I'm actually uhh

Hey what's another canine

Like idk

Coyotes?

Bob Coyote frfr

[dusty arrow]

coyote

DAMN IT INTERNET

[dusty arrow]

john jackal when

[clear lichen]

Timmy Tanuki

[dusty arrow]

damian dingo

[median fox]

Frank fox

[white meadow]

Hoenn, but Battle Revolution.

[fast quiver]

they should replace the region with upstate new york

and instead of pokemon it should just be differently sized rats

[autumn bluff]

i choose you zombie junkie

[white meadow]

What I like about Gen 3 is that the era it released in Nintendo seems to be really into water. Mario Sunshine, Zelda Windwaker, Ruby & Sapphire, Wave Race: Blue Storm, etc.

[vocal pivot]

Water gud

S tier drink behind vanilla coke, root beer and cream soda

[white meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/aero-palm-frutiger-aero-minesweeper-nostalgic-windows-xp-gif-6860578218447837347

Be nice if Nintendo goes back to the Frutiger Aero era

[hexed agate]

Cherry Coke > Vanilla Coke

[white meadow]

Both is good

I swear, the Colosseum games from Gamecube are my absolute favorites. The only reason I vaguely remember Battle Revolution was that it had some of the best costumes in the Pokémon franchise.

[rose bloom]

What am I missing about this last pic

[fast quiver]

it would be cool if having a triple fusion at the beginning of the evil team story unlocked a unique storyline (through new game +)

[fast quiver]

evil mfs

[rain locust]

Why is Brendan playing Pokemon Emerald game instead of playing it in real life? Is he stupid?

[ivory seal]

I want to congratulate Ruby Team for having amazing writers, wowowowow

As a dex entry aficionado I'm very happy

[velvet root]

One day...

[inland jewel]

which team is durant in?

[velvet root]

Sapphire

[hardy remnant]

This is not fully true in Pokemon Ruby and Sapphire, it would only be true in Emerald.

[rancid nymph]

The only thing that wouldn’t be true is the water type champion. Everything else is accurate

[hardy remnant]

Yes, that's why I said not fully true in Ruby and Sapphire, not that it was fully incorrect.

[rancid nymph]

I was just pointing out what was inaccurate

Honestly I much prefer Steven as champion though

[white meadow]

Is there a lore reason as to why they swap out the Champion in Emerald?

[rancid nymph]

In ORAS, Steven says that he wants to travel and leaves the league in Wallace’s care

Which is ironic considering that ORAS isn’t the game where you fight Wallace as champion, and you’ve already defeated him when he says that

[hardy remnant]

In Emerald, the strongest trainer is actually Steven if I remember correctly.

[rancid nymph]

Yeah, you can fight him postgame

[white meadow]

Guess Steven wants to travel the universe and get some gems

[hardy remnant]

Yeah, meaning he probably was champion before Emerald.

[rancid nymph]

Rocks, not gems

[rancid nymph]

Gameplay wise, I’m not sure why they replaced Steven with Wallace though

[white meadow]

It's just water, then water and water again if you count the ice lady

Freaking hell, just having an electric type lets you body the region

Sceptile numbah 1

[rancid nymph]

TBF, she has less water types then Lorelei

[jade shell]

really excited for when hoenn gets added, hoping that IF goes with wallace as champ

[gray vine]

love its design but i dont use pokemon that dont have evolutions

i wnat some progression

[rancid nymph]

Kind of hard to have an evolution when you can’t be found until the Victory Road

[gray vine]

could also be a baby form

just anything

also not really hydreigon exists

[rancid nymph]

Deino is found before the victory road, and Hydrigon’s evolution levels are stupid

[full bison]

Deino might as well not evolve with how long it takes

[rancid nymph]

Also, not much point of having a pre evolution if the only way to get it is through breeding

[gray vine]

my point was its a mon that only really shows up after, so no reason durant cant have an evo either

[gray vine]

im only here for the designs

also munchlax can be found wild, no reason durants pre evo wouldnt be the same

[rancid nymph]

Either it would also be found in the victory road, which would be redundant, or it would be found before then, and if they wanted Durant to be found earlier, they would’ve put it earlier

[pastel fern]

question for the general public (which is probably already answered somewhere that I didn't find)
is this going to be an entirely new game
or like built into the existing infinite fusion

[gray vine]

its a what if scenario, so nothing says it would be found there

it does not have a pre evolution, therefore there is nothing saying it would be the same

[prime dust]

PIF Hoenn is a brand new game

PIF as it sits currently is nearly at the RPG Maker map limit, there's no way we could fit the entirety of Hoenn in about 150ish maps

[pastel fern]

well that'll do it

[trail hull]

Mudkipstire has 273 sprites in the gallery after the 7th of august

I think we know who is getting the second slot

[rancid nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/johny-gif-27696534

[white meadow]

Jokes aside, I just hope there will be a few more islands to traverse to balance out all the aquatic routes.

How is the mirage island thing gonna work? Is it gonna be a spawning island or will it just be added as a regular location?

[pastel fern]

imo the only problem hoenn has with water routes is that they're all one big block

[pastel fern]

eon flute ofc ofc

[full bison]

I highly doubt we're ever getting the Eon Flute/Soaring as a thing, though I do think we will eventually get a Mirage Spot or two whenever Frog decides to add Hoopa

[white meadow]

To be honest, the only thing this island has are Wynaut and Leichi Berries.

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-wynaut-sonano-wobbuffet-silly-gif-15303661952535570275

Gonna be cool making a base on it

[outer matrix]

what types do we have less of in PIF currently?

[inland jewel]

Someone did maths a long long long time ago and it came down to Ghost, Fighting, and Ice

Though that doesn’t factor in the Hoenn mons now

[gray stream]

so i suppose that makes crabominable the best addition to the game here then

[sudden jackal]

Yeah we do have barely any ice types

Especially good ones

[pastel fern]

yeaaah Ice types
love them but most of them suck 😭
at least I can fuse them into having better stats

[inland jewel]

Hmm I gotta see what it brings if it does get added

I know my banner for it had-

2 of the least represented types, a unique ability not in PIF, a signature move

And like one more thing

[gray stream]

theres a few sprites for it, heres one of the two ive made

[inland jewel]

Though that could be outdated due to Hoenn expansion

[prime dust]

the rest of the gen 3 mons only add on 3 new ice types

and that's just the silly friend ball line

[pastel fern]

spheal?

[prime dust]

yes

4 if you want to include the snowy castform

fighting wise is the same, 4 new additions what with makuhita line and meditite line

not sure how much an addition of 4 mons to those types will tip the scales

[quaint matrix]

I mean we essentially have another Huge Power mon added

Once the Bunnelby line's added that's all the Huge Power mons

[full bison]

If we want good ice types, pretty much the only options are Cryogonal or Beartic

[grave jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/beartic-pokemon-beartic-slash-beartic-uses-slash-gif-367375964575599719

[full bison]

Walrein is also pretty solid, but let's be real if it's seeing any competitive play it's as a Water type lol

[quaint matrix]

With it being an Ice/Water type and slanted stats on being head?

Unfortunately best BST for Walrein is gonna be as an Ice head 😔

[full bison]

Tanky ice type has proven time and again that it's not an archetype that can work without legendary tier stats. If it's only good as a head it's DoA

[quaint matrix]

That's what I'm saying

It'll only work if you fuse Walrein with another mon that's better being the head (Togekiss, Sylveon, Charizard, etc)

[pastel fern]

forgot does head determine speed?

[quaint matrix]

No that's body

[pastel fern]

okay so there's a chance it can still not be horribly slow

[full bison]

Funny thing about Ghost is that most of them are already in. Out of the vote choices, the only ghosts IIRC are Frillish and Jellicent, while the others are legendaries or UBs

Or Decidueye

[sterile spoke]

I remember Bug and Electric being fairly underrepresented, too. Fairy in terms of numbers, but a higher proportion of them are in because most decent Fairy-types have been added (excluding the bee). 🙂

Dragon especially, but also Flying and Grass were quite overrepresented. 😅

[inland jewel]

Ah I got ghost mixed up, it was ghost and Dragon that are almost 100% complete

Also bug is getting like 8 mons with Hoenn

[prime dust]

welcome to why I said late last year to just finish dragons off

cause we get people complaining about them being added in with updates like these and I'm just here like "If we add the rest all at once, you don't have to worry about that ever again"

[quaint matrix]

We are still missing a lot with Ice

That being said

The Ices that we are missing are frankly uh....

[median fox]

ice didnt get good until the gens these games dont include tbf

[quaint matrix]

I genuinely think if Frog somehow just decided to update this game's Hail to Snow it would really help Ice

Moreso than adding later gen Ices

[clear lichen]

Ice itself isn't bad, but when you have the context that they keep fucking giving it to slow fat passive Pokemon it is

Walrein? Fat, slow and passive

Froslass? Passive

Cryogonal? Passive

[quaint matrix]

Snow itself is a clear indication GF will never not try doing "fat slow bulky Ice defensive mons"

[clear lichen]

What else uhh

Lapras?

Fat slow and passive

Articuno?

Yeah I'd say that counts as fat and passive

[quaint matrix]

Added on top of them having more Ice-types that are actually on demon time like Weavile

[clear lichen]

Probably wouldn't call Articuno slow though

[full bison]

Cryogonal at least has good speed, great SpD (not that useful on an Ice type but regardless) and useable SpA. As far as Ice types go, it's our best bet for making usable Ice Special Attackers

[clear lichen]

SpA is definitely in a salvageable range for PIF yeah

But with the movepool, it's just too passive usually

[sterile spoke]

It is, but two are regional bugs, and two are... Volbeat and Illumise. 😅

[median fox]

It also didn't really gain anything from hail either
And is really really poor defensively

[full bison]

Masquerain will lead to fun designs at least

[clear lichen]

Masquerain is dubiously a moth

[sterile spoke]

For sure, but its stats are... something, alright. 😂

[median fox]

Snow and some of the newer ice types fixed a bunch of isshes and even made a few ice focused teams threatening at all

[clear lichen]

And thus furthers my moth agenda

It uhh

Also has Sticky Web I guess?

And Quiver Dance is always nice

[full bison]

It has salvageable stats from Gen 7, but it's dubious if it will get those sweet buffs

[quaint matrix]

Masquerain justice by finally making it Bug/Water (it's still bad because Masquerain but hey)

[clear lichen]

Hey, that'd make it the only Quiver Dancer with a natural Water type

Surely that'd give it a niche in like

Infinite Fusion NU

Or something

[full bison]

Bug/water is a deceptively solid type, but Masquerain is still Masquerain

[quaint matrix]

You know it's only Surskit that's Water type right

[clear lichen]

You said giving it justice by making it Bug/Water

And I'm responding to that

Yes, of course I'm aware

[quaint matrix]

Ah I misunderstood lmao

[clear lichen]

Tbf Flying is still a decent type

It's just that like

[median fox]

I kinda wanna go for a run at some point using teams made of fusions randomly picked from mons i never play in any setting

[quaint matrix]

It's specifically Bug/Flying that's just gutter

[full bison]

Not with Bug lol

[clear lichen]

There's already a shitload of Flying type QDers

[median fox]

And this ine would be decent

[quaint matrix]

It's like Bug/Ice

[clear lichen]

It's a good thing we can ditch the Bug type

[median fox]

Bug ice is significantly worse imp

[quaint matrix]

At least Bug/Ice makes for sic aesthetics though

[median fox]

Anesthetic wise bug meshes well with a lot of the elemental kinda types

[inland jewel]

cannot wait to use tailglow volbeat though

and prankster illumise

[inland jewel]

the game started production around SM, so it def got the gen 7 buff

[full bison]

Tons of Pokemon don't have abilities that later gens gave them. For example, Milotic doesn't have Competitive

I imagine the same will apply to stat buffs

[fallen loom]

it sucks that good physical Ice Moves were introduced in Gens 8 and 9 though

[full bison]

There's always tutoring Icicle Crash onto stuff whenever Beartic gets added

[fallen loom]

it gets Icicle Crash anyway

but it does recoil

[clear lichen]

No???

[fallen loom]

yes

[clear lichen]

I'm afraid I have too much game knowledge in Pokemon to be gaslit by false confidence

Icicle Crash has 85 BP, 90% accuracy and 10 PP (16 when maxed). It is an Ice type physical move and doesn't make contact. It can target any adjacent Pokemon, and has a 30% chance to cause a flinch.

[fallen loom]

I swear there one one Ice move that did that

regardless, low accuracy

[full bison]

I meant that more Pokemon would have access to Icicle Crash if Beartic was added. It's an egg move for Sneasel, but they can't get it right now cause Beartic isn't available

[viscid fossil]

Egg move tutor:

[full bison]

Won't work. It needs to be able to feasibly learn the move via breeding for the egg move tutor to work, and because Beartic isn't in, it can't.

If Weavile wants Icicle Crash, it needs to be from fusing with Mamoswine or Cloyster

[viscid fossil]

No, that's the egg move tutor being jank
It pulls from Gen 5 movesets for some reason
Sneasel got icicle crash in gen 6

Mamoswine got icicle crash as an egg move in gen 5 and it can learn it

[inland jewel]

yeah the infinte dex shows movesets as if everything is Gen 7, but egg moves specifically are Gen 5

[sterile spoke]

Could be worth putting these in as suggestions. 🙂

[sterile spoke]

Essentials was Gen VI at the time though, or possibly even still on the tail end of Gen V. It did get upgraded, but the stats and other types of data were likely copied from the Gen V version. 😅

[viscid fossil]

Yeah I'm pretty sure we have gen 5 stats

[sterile spoke]

Finally decided to update my type distribution sheet to reflect the post-Hoenn announcement. 🙂

The 'Difference After' column refers to how well-represented each type is in IF compared to all official Pokémon. Electric and Fighting are the biggest loses, with Flying, Water and Rock being the most over-represented types by a wide margin. 😮

[warm frost]

confused , is the middle chart supposed to be all the ones in the game?

[prime dust]

the middle one is all types represented in the game post PIF Hoenn being a thing

i think

blaq is likely counting lines of pokemon that retain their typing across the board as 1 mon rather than as individual mons

because otherwise the math is off by a wide margin

[weak trellis]

I'm assuming Rock has their numbers heavily bloated by most of the fossil pokemon lol

thinks* 9/28 so actually hm maybe not

[clear lichen]

Crazy how most of the Gen 1-7 Dragons and Ghosts are in the game and they're still average in quantity compared to the other types

Goes to show just how rare these types are

[quaint matrix]

I'm pretty sure with Ghost the only one not here yet is just the legendaries/Mythicals that are one

And Frillish line

[muted solstice]

Decidueye

[quaint matrix]

That's Gen 8 bro

[velvet root]

Decidueye isnt 8

[clear lichen]

Based on the edited either that's a bit of a blunder or a sneaky edit

[muted solstice]

Yea I didn’t see the up to gen 7 at first and said dpult

[clear lichen]

Also yeah it really only is Decid and Jellicent, huh?

Apart from UBs and legendaries/UBs

[muted solstice]

Yeah I guess so

[clear lichen]

Why did I list UBs twice

Am I stupid?

[muted solstice]

I’m just tired lol

Would rock head blacaphelon be good

[clear lichen]

Idk if Rock Head works with Mind Blown

And I think most Rock Head mons are physical anyways

Magic Guard would go crazy though

[muted solstice]

Yea

[quaint matrix]

He said Dpult before he edited it

Oh he already said it lol

[sterile spoke]

Only fully-evolved Pokémon. 🙂

[peak compass]

Damn, been long enough since I was last here that I check back in and there's suddenly a Hoenn version announced for the future? Looked in the dev channel, and I'm liking what I see!

The bit about rematching trainers and their teams getting stronger via ingame events as opposed to preset templates really stands out to me. I looked at that and thought "why doesn't Pokémon just... do that"

[pastel fern]

So fun fact
They actually did in ORAS
You could rematch trainers after some time (I want to say a day but idk for sure)
And their team would improve based on how many badges you had

[spice sage]

Agreed lol. It's actually really fun to mess around with

[weak trellis]

tempted to say FRLG and DPPt have it too but only with select trainers and only after you pass specific progress points? it's odd but I know it didn't apply to every trainer

Emerald might have it too now that I think about it

[restive jay]

We will be getting HOENN REGION?! YAYYY

[sudden jackal]

Damn it it was supposed to be a surprise ig we'll have to cancel the whole thing

[trail hull]

lol

[fast quiver]

the gig is up 😔

[trail hull]

guys hoeen us cancled because of that guy , time to delete the sprites

[velvet root]

Yeah we continue with Paldea

[trail hull]

if frog ever makes a post 2D region , te easiest to do would be alola

[prime dust]

not really

stuff past gen 3 in terms of romhacks/fan games is still very much in the works

most romhacks that exist at current fit into difficulty hacks or QoL hacks, few have new/original content

fan games from those gens are non-existant or in very early stage production

[trail hull]

I was more thinking of maps

like making 2ds maps of alola

I wasn't talking about a gen 7 rom hack

[prime dust]

nothing like that exists for gen 7...there is a demake that uses emerald to hold sw/sh

[trail hull]

yes and?

[velvet root]

I mean we would have all the assets to create a very similiar map to Alola

We could spin the map with load areas like the passage ways in pif

[trail hull]

guys look , we have text art in our cross fusion team chart

Reminder!
There's a bit more1 hour left for food fight
There's around 8 hours left for regular sprites

[random dragon]

I feel like some of Alola can be in IF Hoenn cause of all the water, plus, ORAS did have special storms or whatever that had legendary Pokémon, you know what Thats kinda similar to?

https://tenor.com/view/wormhole-pokemon-nihilego-ultra-beast-sun-and-moon-gif-14021779

Ultra wormholes

[velvet root]

Yeah
We could add the whole Alola region

[inland jewel]

Alola is the next set of favorite starters

[pastel fern]

does that mean we get z-moves

[thin pawn]

z-moves would probably be one of the easier gimmicks to implement

[midnight wharf]

If we get Gen 7 starters before Gen 5 ones I rage

[prime dust]

we will

cause gen 7 had the next highest popularity

[prime dust]

this game already has a gimmick, which is fusing pokemon

[viscid fossil]

There is literally already a z-crystal with a gameplay function in the game. That function is not using a z-move.

[prime dust]

necrozma is the weird exception

[viscid fossil]

Extremely.

[thin pawn]

gen 5 has the worst starters

[midnight wharf]

But I need my snakey boi. not enough snakes in infinite fusion

also the Abs cat sucks

[white meadow]

My Top 3 starters, one of each type. Charizard, Torterra, Primarina

https://tenor.com/view/primarina-pokemon-gif-27657069

[zenith token]

to be fair, its z-crystal mostly works normally beyond its lack of a z-moves

[thin pawn]

Charizard

https://tenor.com/view/hah-righttt-yeah-right-whatever-you-say-ok-gif-16175049

[gray stream]

let people like what they like, charizard isnt a crime

[rancid nymph]

Getting 2 mega evolutions, being the flying ride Pokémon despite not being in the regional dex, getting a g-max form, being the ace of the Gen 8 champion and being in SWSH at launch when every other starter had to wait for the DLC if they even got in at all is in fact a crime

[inland jewel]

Getting a mega in ZA too

|| Charizard Z and Charizard A my beloved ||

[rancid nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/leonardo-dicaprio-absolutely-fucking-not-absolutely-not-leo-dicaprio-gif-9364097

[gray stream]

that’s just more forms to love, you shouldn’t not love it just because it gets a lot of attention

[rancid nymph]

None of its attention is warranted

[gray stream]

that doesn’t mean you can’t love it or it’s a bad pokemon. also it’s kinda like a mascot

[rancid nymph]

Pikachu is the mascot. Charizard is a starter Pokémon, that is no more important then every other starter Pokémon, and should be treated no different then any other starter Pokémon

[gray stream]

more than one mascot can exist, and charizard has always been used to show new and exciting things. people can hate it, that doesn’t mean everyone should. let the guy like the silly dragon dude

[proud lion]

https://tenor.com/view/pikachu-pokemon-snivy-pokemon-anime-pikachu-pokemon-gif-4983918935196977116

[thin pawn]

True!

[proud lion]

Snivy and Panpour are my goats

https://tenor.com/view/panpour-pokemon-pokémon-death-passing-out-gif-18402799202932584830

Other than growing up with them, They are the only ones that beat a Pikachu that just went up against a Latios

[full bison]

That's a funny way of spelling Gen 8

[thin pawn]

You're right

It's a close competition but I think gen 5 is just barely better

[inland jewel]

its amazing how the starter trio after gen 7 just ets instantly boxed when i play them

[proud lion]

https://tenor.com/view/cinderace-ballin-gif-24123358

[ivory seal]

Would Cinderace play football or basketball

[inland jewel]

Gen 8 mentioned- push it back another year

[vital spire]

Every gen since 7 follows a similar pattern IMO: a great starter, an okay starter, and a terrible starter.

[gray vine]

nah opinions existed since gen 1

[prime dust]

yeah, every gen has followed that

[vital spire]

I admit it wasn't until Gen 5 that I outright hated any of the starters.

[summer apex]

You better not be talking about tepig

[prime dust]

gen 8 was that for me, i disliked all of them

grookey was the only one that was mildly tolerable in my eyes

[vital spire]

Grookey was the "okay" starter for me.

[prime dust]

emboar is goated with the right moveset; but a LOT of people disliked him because he was the third fire/fighting starter in a row

[vital spire]

I just plain don't like the design.

[prime dust]

here's the bay way to change your outview on emboar

https://tenor.com/view/smile-iroh-avatar-the-last-airbender-happy-delighted-gif-1765642416692410283

you can't unsee it now

[vital spire]

That being said, I did also warm up to Serperior with time

I guess it's not impossible with Emboar (plus, Inteleon and Quaquaval have already made it look better in hindsight)

[pastel fern]

emboar, serperior, and samurott
worst starters pokemon ever made (and that's saying something in a post-swsh era)
they just... don't look good, at all

[prime dust]

Inteleon is just a jank james bond

there is no redeeming the duck tho

[quaint matrix]

I mean as much as I love Unova the starters are unfortunately one of its weaker points

[vital spire]

Samurott is actually a candidate for my favourite Pokémon period, not just out of the starters but in general

[quaint matrix]

I say this as a Samurott and Serperior enjoyer

[pastel fern]

what do you have against the duck
like it's easily the worst of the three
but it's not, like, bad

[quaint matrix]

They're not exactly stellar mons and it doesn't help that big fatboy Emboar mucks up the shot

[prime dust]

again...view Emboar as Iroh

[pastel fern]

no

that's disrespecting iroh

[quaint matrix]

Mmmmmmm no

Yknow what I think of when I think of Emboar

https://tenor.com/view/street-fighter-hakan-oil-time-to-oil-up-wet-gif-17390114

And even then it's a disrespect for my SF4 goat

[pastel fern]

I can't help but think of the stupid hot spring yokai watch boss

[quaint matrix]

I will admit I'd have less issues with it if:

• Either Emboar is pure-Fire
• Or Samurott/Serperior got their own dual-types as well

Even more ideally for me if Samurott/Serperior are dual-typed but Emboar stays mono

[vital spire]

Blaze Black/Volt White adjusted their typings to something I did vastly prefer on all of them

[quaint matrix]

So it'd complete the odd one out trifecta along with Typhlosion and Sceptile lol

[vital spire]

Serperior is now part-Dragon
Emboar is part-Ground
Samurott is part-Fighting

[pastel fern]

the craziest thing about samurott
is that it didn't even get saved by getting a regional variant
it's the worst starter in legends arceus as well

[vital spire]

Worse than Decidueye?

[pastel fern]

sceptile gets so cheated by being a special attacker

[pastel fern]

decidueye is the best one imo
typhlosion is good
and samurott is just... spiky now I guess?

[clear lichen]

As in opinion wise or how good it actually is

Because Hamurott is absolutely the best starter performance wise in L:A

As well as Smogon Singles

And Samurott is in fact dogshit

Still don't understand why there's a Grass/Fighting Type you can get before fully evolving Rowlet that's just far better

[trail hull]

Deadline is over

We’re waiting for points counts now

[inland jewel]

My dream just now was: we saw the turnout for this fusion day so to reward everyone’s hard work everyone gets a vote—- that’s so not gonna happen but it was a nice dream

[velvet root]

Agree

[quaint matrix]

I think it's pretty likely tbh

More unlikely is if the decision is like "yknow what everyone wins everybody gets to pick one choice of their mons from their team and the one with the most votes gets added!"

[trail hull]

I think what would be nice is that everyone can vote but only in the winner’s list

That way there still is a reason we did the point thing

[inland jewel]

I want to see who got most sprites done

Because of what the interview is true then I’m super excited to see one of those mons get added

[trail hull]

Mudkipstire got over 300 sprites done thsi month

[inland jewel]

If they’re sticking to their choice in the interview I’ll be super stoked

[trail hull]

yeah

[velvet root]

Reminds me how he said he made tons of sprites to go sure he can get his mon but would get sad/feel guilty if he was the only reason his team won (or something along those lines)

[inland jewel]

With 300 sprites (a good amount the tem chart) which that alone is 900 points I think

From Sapphires words a portion did the chart but abandoned it once getting last place

So they took the time to finish it themselves iirc

[trail hull]

we finished the chart yesterday

besides when we gave up there was like less then a quarter not finished

[trail hull]

due to other stuff 1200

[inland jewel]

Yeah a quarter of the chart is still like 300 points to a single spriter

[trail hull]

look at what I found by spying on frog

[inland jewel]

yo

[full bison]

Can't wait for Sidney to throw Hymega at me in the rematch

Glacia is going to have so many Mamoswines and Weaviles in her rematch teams, I can see it already

[rancid nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/weavile-pokemon-anime-dance-gif-22707594

[random dragon]

What legendary/mythicals would you guy want in IF?

For me, it’s either shaymin, or marshadow

[autumn bluff]

victini. wanna give it contrary

[random dragon]

I hope that the Entei/Ho-Oh still keep vcreate as a fusion move if this happens

[autumn bluff]

oh wait we dont have serperior haha

[random dragon]

Lurantis exists tho

[autumn bluff]

ew

[full bison]

Manaphy, Zeraora or Magearna

The most likely, I think, is Hoopa

Volcanion would be pretty likely too, considering it can tie into the Aqua vs Magma conflict

[next flare]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1224749678482952252/1224749678864629870/lurantis.serperior.png?ex=68b3c846&is=68b276c6&hm=b0542ad33e2bfb3d30ba0f0ff8ab4981dda1c2e96dad8bc401c2a0e3189013b2&

[vital spire]

Same here.

[misty raven]

Is hoen out yet?

[prime dust]

no

originally a demo was meant to be out this year, but frog said awhole back it might get pushed to next year

as for the full release, don't expect that til maybe mid/late next year at the earliest

[misty raven]

:((((((((((

well im just glad they are making it 😄

been playing kanto and johto one on replay maybe 10 times, i feel like a child again playing it,when you replayed the game 100 times on gameboy colour x)

[full bison]

It's been about 2 weeks since the last response to the Contest type poll, so I'm guessing the current results will be what goes into the game should contests be added

Definitely imagining they will be considering Frog has expressed wanting to add them.

[dark sleet]

they should add 6th gen legendarys

[thin pawn]

Only zygarde

[dark sleet]

geomancy on a regigigas

[rancid nymph]

Diancee: am I a joke to you?

[white meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/phione-pokemon-surprised-gif-19126034

Manaphy and Phione

https://tenor.com/view/manaphy-sleeping-manaphy-flight-no-more-battles-gif-23118370

[thin pawn]

Phione the WOAT (Worst of All Time)

[rancid nymph]

IDK, there are a lot of dumb mythicals

[dark sleet]

6 gen lowkey has the worst mythical pokemon

[rancid nymph]

Gen 7 is worse

6 at least has Hoopa

And Volcanion has a unique typing

[dark sleet]

marshadow

[rancid nymph]

I guess Marshadow also has a unique typing

But that’s it

[thin pawn]

Phione is easily the worst mythical

[velvet root]

ew

[dark sleet]

still better than phione and diancy

[velvet root]

Atleast its cute so better than Marshadow

[outer matrix]

What's so bad about marshadow

[velvet root]

For me its the worst Pokemon of them all

[white meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/goodbye-chat-marshadow-goodbye-chat-marshadow-shadowaron-gif-26980322

I like the little shadow boxer

[rancid nymph]

It meets none of the criteria for being a legendary, except for MAYBE being one of a kind

[white meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/phione-pokemon-tongue-pokemon-phione-gif-8924010305934246823

I also like Phione.

[velvet root]

Really boring designe
Weird lore
Confirmed stalker
No emotions so you cant connect to it
And more

But also fusion wise it brings nothing, only battle wise but it being added would take its signature move away from other pokemon

[white meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/urshifu-surging-strikes-vgc-pokemon-banjo-kazooie-gif-7968953119837950134

I like Urshifu, but it feels like it shouldn't have been a legendary and should just be a normal Pokemon.

[velvet root]

Like all aspects are used by multiple Pokemon
Not just one or two

[rancid nymph]

1. Don’t trust the leaks
2. Don’t share the leaks
3. Gen 10 isn’t even the next mainline game

[white meadow]

I'll never forget the fake gen 8 leaks back a few years ago. The leak was that Gen 8 takes place in a post-apocalyptic Kanto that got flooded by a legendary snake Pokémon and it became an archipelago of islands where the Pokémon develop new forms to survive. Safe to say, don't trust or see any so called leak.

Also the fake "Armored" Pokémon forms as a replacement to Mega Evolution. Lol

[rancid nymph]

Low key, that actually sounds like a sick ass concept for a Pokémon game

[dark sleet]

legends series are the best pokemon game apart from the main games

[rancid nymph]

The legends games count as main series IMO

[white meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/breakdance-of-time-pmd-pokemon-mystery-dungeon-riolu-gif-13361005654725912571

Wrong, that honor goes to Pokémon Mystery Dungeon

[dark sleet]

1gen 2 gen ect i mean

[dark sleet]

arceus without the switch graphisms is better

like without that problem

[rancid nymph]

And honestly, Legends Arceus is waaaaaaay better than any of the other mainline switch games

[dark sleet]

for 9 gen yes

8 gen there a little debate

[rancid nymph]

Gen 8 was lacking in many areas (and this isn’t even taking Dexit into account)

[white meadow]

8 and 9 suck actually. 6 and 7 are mid. 3, 4 and 5 are the best of the best. 1 is overrated and 2 is okay but not quite there yet

[dark sleet]

7 better than 6

[white meadow]

Wrong

[rancid nymph]

Let’s Go and BDSP are hot garbage

And Gen 9 is just straight up not finished

[white meadow]

BDSP are the worst remakes in the series, meanwhile Heart Gold/Soul Silver are the best remakes in the series and may be among the best Pokemon games of all time

[rancid nymph]

Let’s Go is worse

[white meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/nintendo-ds-pokemon-heart-gold-soul-silver-ds-gif-24618269

[rancid nymph]

It’s not even close

[dark sleet]

6 gen without megas

[proud lion]

The shiny charm in BDSP is not a shiny charm. It’s a Shiny EGG charm.

[dark sleet]

horrible pokedex

[rancid nymph]

I agree that HGSS is best, with ORAS being a close second

[dark sleet]

bad graphisms

[white meadow]

These are the best Pokemon games of all time. Pokemon peaked here

[dark sleet]

towns are lame with no life

[dark sleet]

completly correct

[rancid nymph]

FRLG is the only good version of Kanto, but it’s still Kanto and therefore is mid (I’d still like them to port it to the switch though)

[dark sleet]

they are over rated

[white meadow]

It's also a good remake. Honestly most Pokemon remakes shit on BDSP

[hardy remnant]

By the way, most things that are called "leaks" are actually just rumors since they're not true.

[rancid nymph]

Rumours is being generous

[hardy remnant]

Using the word "leaks" just is so then they get more attention.

[dark sleet]

still pissed how they skipped unova for the legend series

[rancid nymph]

They’ll circle back to Unova eventually

Also keep in mind Kalos got cheated out of a third version

[sudden jackal]

Well if they follow the pattern they've been going at since the gen 2 remakes then unova remakes are in gen 10

[dark sleet]

6 gen got the worst remake game excluding lets go

it has the artwork of gen 9

[sudden jackal]

Oras was fine what U on about

[dark sleet]

with the 6th gen pokedex

[rancid nymph]

Legends Z-A kind of broke the pattern already

[sudden jackal]

ZA isn't a remake it's a legends game

[rancid nymph]

Gen 6 hasn’t gotten a remake yet

[dark sleet]

i counted legends

[rancid nymph]

Still breaking the trend of revisiting regions

[rancid nymph]

The game isn’t even out yet, you don’t know if it’s going to suck

[dark sleet]

it has so much potential with megas lore

the battle system is good

the artwork brings it down

[rancid nymph]

Artwork alone is not nearly enough to bring down a game

[thorny crypt]

Let’s go is part of gen 7.

[velvet root]

They didnt
A Remake is always half the Generation
Gen 5 Remake is after gen 10

[dark sleet]

so it will be like 4 gen

with maybe a legends

[velvet root]

Maybe

But for short all even numbers like 2, 4, 6 etc mean we get a remake next
All Uneven make random games like Lets go or legends likely

[dark sleet]

please no chibi shit

lets go is a unique case made to bring pokemon go players

[rancid nymph]

FRLG

[velvet root]

Let us be real we cant count stuff that relates to gen 1

[viscid fossil]

gsc postgame was a kanto remake

[full bison]

I genuinely don't want a Gen 5 remake after BDSP

I can't stand the idea of another "faithful remake"

All I want out of Gen 5 getting revisited is maybe a Legends game that goes into Unova's history or maybe a sequel

[velvet root]

Atleast a faithful gen 5 is good

[thin pawn]

Hot take: A gen 5 remake should change some of the levelled evolutions

You're never gonna get to use a Volcarona or Hydregion before the postgame otherwise

[sudden jackal]

Oh yeah most of gen 5 needs to chop it's levels by like 10-15

It's just how the level curve was back then and how it was a closed off pokedex

[velvet root]

Well Volcarona was Catchable before the League
They could also make higher level caps

[thin pawn]

True true

[clear lichen]

Bro is judging the game before it releases 💀

[gray stream]

for the ARTWORK??

I think we all know za is going to be peak

[clear lichen]

To be fair Volcarona before the league in a mainline Pokemon game would be like

An apocalyptic event

[thin pawn]

True true

[clear lichen]

Pokemon games are way too easy to handle that even in Gen 5

[thin pawn]

Then they should bring back Hard Mode from gen 5

[clear lichen]

Like I was using the B2W2 Volcarona in Challenge mode

And it didn't even matter it was challenge mode and that it had a shit moveset

It still carried more than its weight

[viscid fossil]

(challenge mode is easier than normal mode because weird game design)

[velvet root]

They forgot to raise the stats of the Pokemon, so your level cap goes up but not the enemys

[clear lichen]

Wait what

Also I don't play with level cap

At least not on a casual playthrough

A very casual playthrough of challenge mode

[velvet root]

Yeah in Black and white the hard mode game freak fucked up and changed the shown level but not the stats making it easyer

[clear lichen]

I mean they still have new held items though

So surely that offsets the fact you're getting more exp from the battles right

And more levels if you're playing with level cap

[viscid fossil]

One trainer gets a new ability but keeps their old held item (flame orb)

[clear lichen]

Oh

I'm gonna guess it was changed away from Guts based on what y'all have been saying

[velvet root]

Ah remake could give us a fixed hard mode

[clear lichen]

OK well Iris' team gets objectively better at least even before rematches

Better movesets

And better items too

And it's also abusing the funny interaction between Sheer Force and Life Orb

And Flying Gem Acrobatics

Bro how did Iris' Haxorus get a downgrade in a rematch wtf

[velvet root]

Im unsure but I remember nuzlockers saying Iris got one bug too that made her easyer

[clear lichen]

Guillotine 💀

Well if you're unlucky you're cooked I guess

But like lmfao

And I mean casual players don't really use hazards

So Haxorus' Focus Sash stays up and it gets 1 free turn

... Except that's one of the items that was kept from Normal mode

Yknow what at least it isn't using mf Dual Chop anymore

I wonder if B2W2 remake's hard mode would like

Have an Iris fight on a similar level to BDSP Cynthia

Except the difficulty curve is a curve

And not a spike

And it's also a toggleable difficulty

[autumn bluff]

I just wanna see the official reshiram zekron fusion

[full bison]

Calm down there, let's not set expectations so high for Gamefreak

Gamefreak couldn't even make a proper hard mode when they DID try

[weak trellis]

I mean

going by B2/W2 the hard mode will probably be fine (if overly japan-specific with how you obtain it) but the easy mode on the other hand...

[viscid fossil]

Wasn't easy mode as fundamentally borked as challenge mode, even if you ignore the unlock requirement

Like I'm pretty sure the only thing easy mode actually changes is the damage done by moves like seismic toss and night shade

[rare sleet]

and the accuracy of OHKO moves

[weak trellis]

yea it was something like easy mode opponents use the stats of normal mode but show the lower levels

[full bison]

Same with Challenge mode, except you got the appropriate levels of exp based on the levels

So easy mode just became more grindy and Challenge mode made it super easy to level up

Only the best programming for the most profitable franchise of all time

[weak trellis]

challenge mode does also throw some items and extra mons here and there

also yea programing has never been the series' strong suit rofl

[viscid fossil]

Easy gives the same experience as normal

[trail hull]

hello

[clear lichen]

Hello

[trail hull]

apparently the contest result will be what will determine the winner

so saphire isn't guaranteed to win

[velvet root]

Idk about that

[trail hull]

well gordo said it's anyone game

[prime dust]

unless that last bit of points is enough, i think sapphire team has a high enough of a lead that they will win regardless

[full bison]

I'm pretty confident in a lot of stuff that Team Ruby has made- especially for the trainer cards and beach day contest

[dim sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-swoobat-gif-27580265

[plush steppe]

SO hype for PIF hoenn ^^

[autumn bluff]

Sun moon has peak art I swear

[patent kayak]

Can we play pif hoenn now or a release date

[empty halo]

For PIF Hoenn, New Mauville should become accessible without Surf, but require the Power Plant Key to access the bottom floor (and Magnet Stones)

[full bison]

Sometime next year

[quaint matrix]

Isn't the beta at least late this year

[full bison]

Pretty sure Frog mentioned something coming up that would delay the beta

[inland jewel]

late deceber is the earliest

& by that its like last week

so the 25-31st as a low low low low release date

February is the probably date of release

[trail hull]

Maybe as a Christmas gift just like bruxish

[hidden relic]

the scam of the day

it is gone

yippee

[quaint matrix]

Why there's been a lot of scam posts lately

[fickle crest]

700k+ server, scammer try their luck, more people, more chance to attract those kind of thing

[vital spire]

These guys were here:

[trail hull]

most of the scam are acutally hacked account

like someone figured out the password and use them as bot

[prime dust]

or more than likely, someone clicked a jank link and boom

[restive jay]

I'm just happy lolllll

[sudden jackal]

Well there's no need to be happy we cancelled it cause you found out early sorry bud

[restive jay]

[sudden jackal]

It's a real shame cause frogzilla and the Devs have been working real hard on this but ig I'll let em know to stop

[rose bloom]

From hoenn to goenn just like that

[muted solstice]

Nah just change it from hoenn to sinnoh

[quaint matrix]

It'll be Gonnoh if you keep mentioning it

[muted solstice]

Sounds like a fun new region

[sudden jackal]

AND THERE GOES THE BACKUP PLAN you just had to spoil the secret backup plan

Can't have anything new in this server can we

Smh guys

[muted solstice]

Well just change it to unnova

[white meadow]

Nah, just change it to the Mystery Dungeon World

[clear lichen]

PIF Mystery Dungeon 🔥

(It will not happen in 50 million years)

[pastel fern]

PIF Unite (the devs collectively resign on the spot)

[full bison]

What do you mean? I'm sure the spriters would love to make over 100 unique sprites for every single Fusion

[full bison]

A 2D PIF Unite actually doesn't sound as bad to make as PIF mystery Dungeon, considering it doesn't necessarily need to add that many Fusions.

Still hell, but less hell

[fast quiver]

add digimon to pokemon hoenn

[white meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/battle-o1n-digimon-ulforce-ulf-gif-18474958

[muted solstice]

Nah PIF Pkmex