pif-hoenn-discussion

[rancid nymph]

It’s in the spirit of Hoenn for the 3 evil teams to fight to the death

[spiral musk]

tribalism

doesn't have to be colors either
when we had the new pokemon polls it was similar

[weak trellis]

once you make it into "us vs not-us" human instinct takes over

[trim furnace]

I see Elgyem + Beheeyem, I vote. I love my little alien buddies

[fathom ridge]

Beheeyem could make some awesome fusions i really like the colours and the potential for space stuff

[trim furnace]

Exactly! There's some good potential there

Same with Bronzor/Bronzong. Could do some really cool looking fusions with them

[thin pawn]

Hello chat

How's it going today

[trail hull]

it's going great

pleasantely suprised that we're getting a few mons already

[thin pawn]

Really?

I didn't know that

[trail hull]

do you guys also have one?

[thin pawn]

Oh I didn't see that chat

[trail hull]

it's new

we can't talk yet

but we will

[thin pawn]

Very sad

[molten loom]

Imagine not being able to talk in your teams channel

[trail hull]

it's open now

sharing the saphire background here , hopefully the other two teams will share the image

[molten loom]

So someone can pick their favourite elemental monkey good to know

[trail hull]

Put them all in the same message for easier access (and maybe we could get this pinned)

[fair atlas]

Am I the only one who's a little perturbed by only ONE of each of Wormadam's forms on each team?

[lofty spindle]

Ah that may be a bit of an inaccuracy in this listing, Wormadam line is up for voting for all teams last I checked.

[full bison]

I swear it's going to be the punch line to the new troll addition. Either that or the monkeys

[trail hull]

wormadam is in all team but there's a different cloak in each

[fair atlas]

eyetwitch

[lofty spindle]

So that's how that goes.

Yeah I admit only getting half the line (even if of course temporarily) is not that enticing.

Speaking of, while Emerald and Ruby have enticing listing, I have a vested interest in the Sapphire list.

[fair atlas]

Yeah, same. Dragalge, Vanilluxe, Drampa, Jellicent, Electross, Gothitelle, Araquanid, Seismitoad, Gastrodon...

I mean, I also want a lot of the pokemon on other lists, but Sapphire just has the most.

[lofty spindle]

Hm... we had said Bearctic would likely not get Slush Rush, no?

[fair atlas]

that name just makes me want to get an icee.

[inland jewel]

last time it was because weather abilities just didn't work at all

that has been fixed so Slush Rush Beartic is a go now

[lofty spindle]

Neat.

[inland jewel]

that said, the winning team gets to choose one line from their group to add, not the entire group

so even if Sapphire team wins, you have to pitch Beartic propoganda to sway the votes for beartic to win in that group

which means its up against fan favorites Eelektross, Dragalge and Vanillite

[trail hull]

this message confirm which team is frog favorite

[velvet root]

I guess I know what team Frog likes the least
I mean kinda obv seeing how Sapphire and Ruby have more generally liked Pokemon

[inland jewel]

its crazy though that Emerald has double their numbers

[ember bear]

dang

shame i can't have araquanid and frillish

but green has swadloon and vikavolt

also simisage is the actual good looking one of the three monkeys

[inland jewel]

if you get overall MVP you can choose to add araquanid or frillish

[gray stream]

i didnt think you could choose pokemon outside of your team with that pick

[molten loom]

you can

[inland jewel]

you can

[ember bear]

oh that's neat

[spice sage]

You guys have the most people by far, you don't need the support

[velvet root]

We probably have 300 white names that just hopped in cuz they didnt read and think what the best version of Hoenn is

[full bison]

Team Ruby does have Hero on our side, so that was a pretty big confidence boost for our prospects

[spice sage]

Fair lol

[velvet root]

Yeah I think Ruby and Sapphire have more of the Quality + Quantity spriters from what I saw
Like Timmy said Hero

[molten loom]

we do also have some good ones

[velvet root]

Ofc I didnt say we have non

[zenith token]

I just saw Hippowdon and my baby boy Stoutland and I hopped in

[gray stream]

fellow stoutland enjoyer

[weak trellis]

come for the fires, stay for the normals

[trail hull]

We have Toad

[elfin forge]

Team Ruby has me

[proud lion]

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-lizard-dancing-lizard-cute-adorable-gif-16343382

[rain locust]

who is mr person

[civic harness]

And me

[fallen loom]

so are we only getting one new line or does each winner of the team get a pick?

so like overall Groudon winner picks something and overall Kyogre winner gets something

or is it just one winner with one line

[full bison]

So far it looks like whatever team wins gets to vote for their line getting in

[fallen loom]

so we could end up with unevolved bugs (Shelmet and Karrablast)

[full bison]

I imagine Shelmet and Karrablast would be a package deal

[fallen loom]

that's what I meant

those two, but not their evos

I'm sad starters aren't a part

[trail hull]

if we get shelmet and karrablast we would also get their evolutions

[weak trellis]

I mean I'd assume the same with whimsicott and lilligant but not the case lol

that's also kinda why I'm a bit eh on mons with the family sharing too many visual asthetics like boldore and gigalith so it'd be tricky to tell them apart on the head

(though we already have the same thing with duosion and reuniclus)

[fallen loom]

I'm in team Sapphire, but I kind of want Ruby to win

reason:
Binacle

we need Tough Claws!

[elfin forge]

The guy with the 4th biggest amount of sprites

[hidden relic]

Oh I misread what you said for a sec

[rain locust]

I disagree

[hidden relic]

Was like ... Doesn't Ruby have Binacle?

[inland jewel]

if you get MVP of all

you can choose to personally add binacle

if Team Ruby wins, they have to vote for binacle to win, which has to fight against Salazzle and Excadrill in terms of popularity

[fallen loom]

it's so ugly though... but has a really good ability and is the only mon that can have it in this game

because FOR SOME REASON Lycanroc wasn't give it!

[inland jewel]

another year without tough claws sadge

[fallen loom]

also team Emerald is going to win because it has twice as many participants as Ruby

even though IMO most Emerald mon are jank

like Druddigon and Carnivine

or how about a vote based on type or ability instead of basing it off looks

[weak trellis]

or both like me being in ruby for Furfrou

[trail hull]

we don't know how many non spriters are in emerald

[weak trellis]

(and diggersby but diggersby's asthetics are more of a goofymon)

[trail hull]

it's likely they have a lot more then the other two teams combined

[zenith token]

and Hippowdon too

[inland jewel]

considering Salazzle and Excadrill are the top 2 mons in the pop vote from last year (out of the wons that didn't get in)

[zenith token]

Me with Hippowdon. If it was just my favourite Pokemon, I'd be choosing Stoutland, but Hippowdon is also nice for an extra Sand Stream mon

[fallen loom]

I would rather we get 10 lines again instead of just 1 line getting in

[inland jewel]

like pop vote. Kommo-o, Golisopod, both got in, #3 is Salazzle, and then #4 was Excadrill, if they do the same format, then if Team Ruby wins, Salazzle is the chosen mon

[fallen loom]

if Sapphire wins?

[inland jewel]

we don't know, since they only revealed up to the top 5 mons

[fallen loom]

Gothita probably

[inland jewel]

and 5th slot was Vikavolt, which is Emerald's pop choice atm

[fallen loom]

funny how Ruby has the least amount of people, yet the most popular mon

[inland jewel]

for Sapphire i can see a tie between Dragalge, Eelektross and Vaniluxe

since all three have very vocal fans

[full bison]

Two of the most popular Pokemon, even.

[inland jewel]

that also just means that if Ruby wins, its pretty much between those two and none of the other mons in Ruby

[full bison]

Hippowdon is getting a lot of people talking about it over on the team Ruby channel, so I wouldn't be so sure

[fallen loom]

maybe the teams should have been divided better

[full bison]

Gigalith, Conkeldurr and Mienshao are getting talked up a bit too

[inland jewel]

the reason why its only 1-2 lines is because these are also being bundled with the Hoenn mons

so its like we're getting 70 new mons this year

and thats already a lot of work

[trail hull]

this team thing remind me of splatfest

[zenith token]

yeah, Hippowdon seems semi-popular

[full bison]

That's like double what we normally get, no less

[trail hull]

like some teams had an hard time makign match because they had too much members compared to the other teams

[weak trellis]

I can see that with splatoon 3's splatfests yea

[weak trellis]

reminds me of team bigfoot having something like 8% of the popular vote

[trail hull]

lol

[inland jewel]

considering that for each person that submits a sprite you get 1 point, it just boils down to how many people on each team are spriters

[full bison]

Which team gets Big Man

[weak trellis]

probably emerald

with shiver getting ruby and fyre getting sapphire

[fallen loom]

I guess, but Hoenn lacks in some stronger mon. Though I really wanted Clamperl and Swellow to make it last year

[trail hull]

holy moly the difference between the team is going crazy

and ruby is getting even more behind

[fallen loom]

it's kind of dumb

Ruby: Most popular mon
Emerald: Some of the least popular mon

[inland jewel]

to be fair, Ruby has like 3-4 popular choices, with the rest being mediocre, Emerald has a ton of niche favorites which makes them overall pretty good.

[full bison]

Vikavolt is pretty popular too, let's not discount it
Staraptor has a lot of fans too

[fallen loom]

I like Ruby picks more than Emerald

[trail hull]

we are the best team because we have good choice while not having the least amount of memner

[inland jewel]

has crabominable

[zenith token]

Crabominable's cool, what do you mean?

[trail hull]

can we merge ruby and saphire into team garnet , the emerald member count is gettign ridiculous

[inland jewel]

it is, i want it in the game badly, its just memed on as a very bad pokemon

however i find it funny its not bottom 5 least voted pokemon bad

[zenith token]

and actually usable before the final 3 gyms this time if traded into OG IF

[dry cradle]

Sorry guys, I'm a time traveler from the future and the sun explodes a day before hoenn launches. RIP

[fallen loom]

Crab bin able makes Beautifly look like it's in Ubers

[fallen loom]

speaking of, I'm going to China the day before

[lofty spindle]

Hm... I fear people could get upset if the smallest faction won.

[inland jewel]

just gotta be spriter work ethic

[lofty spindle]

Is Hoenn this year?

[inland jewel]

a team can have more people but if all members are lazy then its normal for the smaller team to win

[inland jewel]

The demo was said to be ready in about 6 months

that was like 4 months ago

[fallen loom]

great, why is everything coming out in October?

[inland jewel]

when the demo releases, you can play it up to slateport, but all hoenn mons +the winners of this Fusion day will be added to randomizer pool in base PIF

[lofty spindle]

I wonder if someone will recreate Hofucno from Pokémon Clover.

It'd be thematic, considering what it represents.

[grave jolt]

Can't wait to spheal through Kanto

[inland jewel]

can't wait to destroy all spheals i run across in randomizer

[lofty spindle]

I do think I will likely create a party that is using inobtainable Pokémon via vaguely illicit methods.

[trail hull]

reposting it here to recruit more people

[trail hull]

you should join team saphire

[fallen loom]

ah yes, a sea otter, a turtle, a glacier, a leopard and a mongoose are all definitely dogs

[lofty spindle]

Frankly there is a strong point, but how likely is Bearctic?

[lofty spindle]

They're very pettable.

[trail hull]

I have no idea

[fallen loom]

I want Beartic for a triple bear fusion

[lofty spindle]

Also fun.

I want it because I wanted to use a hail team in sub-tropical Hoenn and Slush Rush is the one Hail-ability we are still missing.

[velvet root]

Dont forget all white names that dont read and think its "whats the best version"

[fallen loom]

I feel like icecream and polar bear are the best Ice Types not in the game

true

[trail hull]

join us then 😄

[zenith token]

they're new dogs

[weak trellis]

Ice Cream also gives yall another snow warning user

[tender plank]

newly recruited dogs

they're new to doggism

[civic harness]

You forgot Ice Type Magikarp

[tender plank]

be nice to them pls

[lofty spindle]

I have no intention of spriting. If the faction looses, I gain nothing. I am looking at if another side is more likely to win, so I can use my vote for something meaningful.

...man, imagine the amount of sprites was devided among the number of participants.

[civic harness]

New dogma?

Oh, long time no see you around Pachirisu Girl

[grave jolt]

If everyone signing up for a team made a sprite for a specific pokemon, they'd fill out half the dex for that pokemon (the entire dex in the case of emerald)

[inland jewel]

wait till the last day to see which team has the most points and join

[civic harness]

[inland jewel]

that said, you do miss out on non-spriting events like Showdown/ Dex entries

[fallen loom]

next year it's teams Diamond, Pearl and Platinum and Plat gets most people

[inland jewel]

next year i hope its Alola starters

[trail hull]

most likely will

[grave jolt]

I'm around occasionally, I just typically stick in the #playthrough-talk channel since I'm always doing solo or type runs.

[civic harness]

Oh that explain it

But hello there again lad

[trail hull]

oh pachirisu girl how have you been

[grave jolt]

I have been 😔
Recently I completed Dragonite/Garchomp only which was surprisingly hard.

[civic harness]

Congrats

[weak trellis]

nice nice

[lofty spindle]

Imagine at the end, the winner steps forth, and leads a chorus of voices, together demanding that all votes should be combined to allow for all forms of Wormadam.

[tender plank]

and the audience cheers

[full bison]

Yeah, I definitely see it either going the way of the winner being a homie and allowing another popular choice from their/another team get in, or pulling a troll move

[rain locust]

im winning and adding alo

disappointing spriters and players alike

[sharp sphinx]

2 things 1 scoreboard wont track spirting quantity base dpoints till its over so hard to do, they said theres a cutoff at some point

[south sonnet]

What sort of time frame are the new pokemon being added? I'm working on a new tool for the game and I'd ideally like to get it done before then (work permitting)

[full bison]

When they're added

Frog is making an entire sequel this time around- it's probably gonna be a while

[inland jewel]

back in april they said like 6 months if there is no delays

so maybe in like October?

but then again i heard that something did come up so it might be pushed to November-December

[south sonnet]

Plenty of time then, nice. Thank you

[molten loom]

6 months for a beta up to slateport, idk if that would be all the new mons

[full bison]

Probably up to Electrike, given the location

[viscid fossil]

Iirc all the hoenn mons are coming in the beta, but not all of them will be obtainable without randomizer

[inland jewel]

well they said encounters for native goes to slateport, but they will also add all new lines into randomizer

so people can still play them in PIF just randomizer only

so if you want a hoenn mon, like Poochyena you are guarenteed a location in Hoenn demo

but if you want somene like spheal just gotta big random

[full bison]

If we are getting all the mons in the beta, it would be fun to see if Chimecho got Psychic Surge like I suggested it should get in the form. I would love if it wasn't an ability exclusive to Lele

Also seeing all the amazing Chimecho sprites has me wishing more than ever that it gets some valuable niche

[lofty spindle]

I doubt it, not like we got non-canon abilities elsewhere.

[full bison]

The conspicuous Dry Skin Flygon and Snow Warning Delibird:

[lofty spindle]

That's news to me.

[winged dirge]

Hoenn has been added to Pokémon Infinite Fusion?

[elfin forge]

Yeah, since May at least. The Pokemon themselves haven’t been added yet, but they’ll be added when the Beta of a game known as “Pokemon Infinite Fusion: Hoenn” comes out. IF Hoenn is basically a sequel to Infinite Fusion but set in Hoenn with every Hoenn Pokemon, including ones that weren’t previously in Infinite Fusion

[safe depot]

And Mummy Unown

[trail hull]

okay this is getting ridiculous

[elfin forge]

Emerald's options are NOT that good 💀

[prime dust]

but it does have something that is biblically accurate on its own

[hidden relic]

We'll be getting started with our second movie night in 2 minutes!!

Feel free to join us in the Stage if you are interested!!
https://discord.com/channels/302153478556352513/1148785825178460241

[prime dust]

Ruby Team main draw in points: Crustle line, Archeops line, Amoongus line, Mienshao line, Conkeldurr line, Florges line, Salazzle line, Mudsdale line

Sapphire Team main draw in points: Floatzel line, Toxicroak line, Liepard line, Gothitelle line, Vanilluxe line, Escavalier line, Dragalge line, Zebstrika line

Emerald Team main draw in points: Staraptor line, Vespiqueen line, Levanny line, Lilligant line, Sawsbuck line, Gogoat line, Meowstic Line, Inkay line, Tsareena line, Sigilyph

might be some odds and ends I missed but I think those relatively explain the disparity

[spiral musk]

you can add mudsdale for ruby and zeblitz for sapphire I think

[full bison]

I keep forgetting about that one on account of it being on Unown

[inland jewel]

you forgot eelektross

i know those guys had some major supporters

[full bison]

Hippowdon and Gigalith have a lot of support too

[odd hamlet]

For team Sapphire: Clawitzer and Eelektross are good also
For team Emerald: Abomasnow is good also

[viscid hull]

I can see Clawitzer getting some cool fusions by incorporating the claw as a mouth

[viscid hull]

Oh hell yeah

[trail hull]

the emeralds have reached 700

their chat better be active

[prime dust]

i wouldn't know, i haven't checked

[gray stream]

did you forget vikavolt or do you just not think it’s cool

[velvet root]

Yeah
We got the plans of the century

We dox everyone and send missiles

||We dont||

[ivory seal]

Too late, I'm sending an ICBM

[trail hull]

oh I didn't know it was a joke , but I can't cancel the pipe bomb delivery I sent to every emerald memeber's mailbox

[velvet root]

Finaly

[trail hull]

Ruby:66 mons
Saphire:68 mons
Emerald:64 mons

thanks to the 3 list we know which mons take extra slots , if we add the extra slots we already have in our dex to the national dex up to gen 7 we get 823

this mean we have 258 mons left to add to the game

the average number of additions per year is 30 so if we didvide 258 by 30 we get 8.6 years

last year it was 11.5 or 10.5 so we actually got ahead of a year

[molten loom]

emerald may have lost the battle, but we won the war with 2nd and both 3rd places

[velvet root]

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-villager-minecraft-minecraft-villager-gif-27313374

[rancid nymph]

Where do you see the results?

[molten loom]

not out yet

probably because movie night started

but it was
1st place Myst
2nd place Izik

3rd place me and godlybhai

[white meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/animalcrossing-happy-dance-animal-crossing-gif-5327226

I'd expect that the Baltoy line will at least have one fusion be an animal crossing reference. Particularly because Gyroids and the Claydol line are both based off Haniwa.

[weak trellis]

I was gonna say we do already have a gyroid reference but I can see it

only partially tho (Ozcraft was so good with this line)

[white meadow]

Awesome

[warped rampart]

#1404252357159555133

[torn crane]

The ghost normal menace

[weak trellis]

I think that one's actually bug/normal but

[marble meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/inkay-gif-23593654

[quaint matrix]

I can't wait for the rest of Kalos and Alola to make it in

[trail hull]

all teams have at least 400 members now

[south basin]

Heres the real question, will team aqua and magma in PIF hoenn be the same story wise or will they join into one bigger team with the "Well why don't we just expand the whole planet by fusing groudon and kyogre together" logic?

I mean, that still makes as much sense as expanding the sea or land in the normal games do so could be a interesting story twist if it did go that route lol

[severe flare]

Or do the emerald route.

[south basin]

True. But with team aqua and magma both existing in a world with actual pokemon fusion, why wouldn't they take advantage to complete their goals? Even better if they get the other team to stop getting in their way too. Two birds one stone and all that.

Also in the current PIF fusion legendaries weren't exactly unheard of so would track I suppose

[fallen loom]

team Emerald has worse picks IMO

[fast quiver]

i wonder, will there be extra legendaries added for hoenn

im surprised solgaleo and lunala arent here

[quaint matrix]

I'd love that

We are missing so many Alolan legendaries in general

But it'll be a long while before that happens honestly

[lofty spindle]

What if they try to fuse their legendary with the other thinking theirs could suppress the opposite?

[fast quiver]

or maybe they could be replaced by a single team, called team obsidian, that wants to fuse them so that they can control hoenn's climate, therefore having dominion

[trail hull]

do you thnk the teams would have been more even if emerald wasn't there?

[lofty spindle]

They wanna build a portal to hell.

I did have the idea that the team leaders secretly fuse by accident, and start calling completely paradoxical shots for the two organisations, culminating in fusing the legendary trio.

[clear lichen]

I mean you're in team Sapphire we can tell

[full bison]

Depends on which Pokemon ended up on which team

[trail hull]

emerald has the worse selection yet it got most of the members

[proud lion]

We got the best Elemental Monkie

https://tenor.com/view/simipour-pokemon-simipourpokemon-dialand-diamondpastry-gif-14096891622853087137

[clear lichen]

Idk what you mean worse selection, it's literally purely opinion based and evidently the most popular opinion is that Emerald has the best selection

[proud lion]

But we have funni frog

https://tenor.com/view/croagunk-gif-15663739357975987101

[trail hull]

worse selection because the other are way better (except gogoat it's gogoated)

[clear lichen]

That is an exceedingly goofy walk animation and I kinda like it for that

Ngl if the Gen 7 Box Art Legendaries are included I'd probably have picked Sapphire

Because there's 0 way Lunala would not be in Sapphire

That said now that I think about it

That probably just wouldn't work

Since it's a full evo line

So they kinda have to be added together

[quaint matrix]

It would also be a little uneven since it'd be like

Solgaleo in Ruby
Lunala in Sapphire
And then Emerald got ?????

Maybe Zeraora or Marshadow idk

[viral ginkgo]

when i hoeen being released

[full bison]

When it's done

[viral ginkgo]

: |

[quaint matrix]

Careful I know somebody here that really hates Marshadow lmao

[rancid nymph]

It is I, DarkWeavile

Ok, I know I wasn’t who you were talking about, but every mythical post Gen 5 is garbage, except for maybe Hoopa and Pecharunt (Hoopa is responsible for the legendary portals in ORAS, and I’ve heard that Pecharunt actually has lore, but I haven’t played the DLC so I’m not familiar with it)

[dire crane]

Magearna is certifiably not garbage

[rancid nymph]

Magearna is certifiably garbage

[dire crane]

youre certifiably incorrect

[rancid nymph]

You certifiably didn’t spell you’re correctly, and therefore are certifiably incorrect

[inland jewel]

they claimed that it would be done within 6 months last time they updated us

but that was only for the working demo that goes up to Slateport

[proud lion]

Imagine if the final movie reveals a bonus Pokémon. Just like how we got Luvdisc during the Diancie interruption

[inland jewel]

that would be funny

now we gotta comb through the teams to see which mon is missing

[proud lion]

And it’s Ash’s battle against the Unovan Trio Gym Leaders

[inland jewel]

unless they choose a mon specifically from the winning/losing team

[rancid nymph]

The Unova and Alola starters are missing

[proud lion]

Or it’s Burmy since it’s in all 3 teams

[proud lion]

And Legendaries

[inland jewel]

yeah thats because Frog is specifically saving them to be added all together

as for legendaries he is saving them for when he wants to do special events

[proud lion]

I don’t mind if they are added in batches like the usual.

[inland jewel]

true, i can see him adding a mythical mon we're missing like Hoopa or Magearna

[rancid nymph]

But they said that legendaries weren’t on the list because of they weren’t considering adding them. They didn’t say anything about starters

[inland jewel]

actually, hoopa does seem plausible since his rings were found in ORAS

[proud lion]

Zeraora

[inland jewel]

they aren't going to break up the starter trio

[proud lion]

I mean how one region of starters gets brought in at a time

[inland jewel]

i'd believe it more if the amount of mons we're getting this time was around 40

but the total currently is 70+ mons

[full bison]

If that happens I'm betting it would be Hoopa. The next most likely Mythicals were Manaphy whose movie already played, and Volcanion who shares a movie with Magearna and I doubt that Frog will add both at once

[inland jewel]

you know, Frog could have finally caved and allow for the deoxys forms

that is one of the movies coming up

[quaint matrix]

The retagging is gonna go crazy

Especially which old sprites will have to be matched up with the newly updated Deoxys forms patched it

[full bison]

People better send the sprite managers apology cards if that happens

[proud lion]

We played Hoopa last year

What about the other mythical for the final movie of Fusion Month?

https://tenor.com/view/shadow-the-hedgehog-year-of-shadow-shadow-bongo-cat-meme-shadow-bongo-cat-bongo-cat-gif-13577975347769213753

[full bison]

I'm assuming that if a Mythical will be added in accordance with any movie, it would be the secret one that the schedule just shows as static. Which would eliminate Manaphy and Marshadow

This would leave Shaymin being added in accordance with Giratina And The Sky Warrior, Hoopa being added in accordance with Clash of Ages, Volcanion and/or Magearna in accordance with Mechanical Marvel, Keldeo in accordance with Sword of Justice (extra doubt this considering I doubt it would be added without the other Swords of Justice), or Zeraora in accordance with Power of Us

[forest vapor]

Conflicted to choose team ruby as I love sapphire and emerald way more thematically, but ruby has my favorite picks (Archeops, Mudsdale, Mienshao, Trumbeak, Mothim) and imagining a world where archeops decimates without defeatist is huge

[gray stream]

i would say that team sapphire sucks and you should join team ruby or team emerald

[rain locust]

i would say that team sapphire and emerald suck and you should join team ruby

[trail hull]

you should join saphire we are the best

[gray stream]

we outnumber you you sapphire

[trail hull]

it's not because you've reached 800 that we can't wi,

[forest vapor]

I wouldn't be surprised if half of team emerald went "emerald best game" or "rayquaza rocks" which are also both true but read nothing about the actual contest

[gray stream]

exactly we are still the best team

we have such a great community together and the best mons for spriting

[fast quiver]

the loyalty trio are based off a japanese folk tale about a boy born from a PEACH, who befriends a MONKEY, a DOG, and a PHEASANT, to help save Japan from oni

cant remember the name

[forest vapor]

momotaro?

[fast quiver]

while i hate their designs i must say that is a cool concept

other than fezandipiti

okidogi can take a choice specs psycho boost to the face for all i care

[rancid nymph]

As I mentioned, I never played the DLC, so I’m not familiar with the loyal 3. That being said, my understanding is that the loyal 3 don’t count as mysticals because they aren’t event exclusive, so I wasn’t counting them.

[fast quiver]

ahh fair

pecharunt is technically a mythical

people seem to call it one

[clear lichen]

Pecharunt is a mythical, yes

To find out what is a mythical check the banlist for any VGC Restricted format except the current one

[rancid nymph]

And I mentioned Pecharunt maybe being an exception

[weak trellis]

Mythical's definition has felt very "because we say so" since like... meltan/melmetal

[rancid nymph]

And I just checked: the loyal 3 aren’t on Bulbapidia’s list of mythical Pokémon

[clear lichen]

The mythicals are cat fetus, time onion, eepy goober, DNA alien, sea angel, sea angel but utterly dogshit, funny grass hedgehog, funny grass hedgehog except it's a bitch, edgy emo guy, God, V, The only fossil Pokemon to be unobtainable from fossils, Hatsune Miku except she learnt self defence, the 4th of the 3 Musketeers, hot spring mf, Poopa, Poopa Unwiped, "Just a mutated Carbink", Ms Trick Room Setter, funny noobtrap set goes brr, cat, Trick Room's strongest soldier and his son, perhaps the least mythical mythical of all time and Momotaro

... Wait, is Victini the Gen 5 Legendary

Well mythical

One of them

Because 5 in roman numerals is V?

Also literally the first Unovan Pokemon in dex order

Hmm...

[thin pawn]

poopa unwiped

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-gif-24533171

[rancid nymph]

Victini is both event exclusive and on the Buldapedia mythical list

[clear lichen]

I will not stop making fun of Hoopa Unbound for as long as it remains a Pokemon with 680 BST and no drawback Abilities that still manages to not even be OU

[clear lichen]

I was referring to it being heavily associated with V

In Gen V

Also if V in Victini is meant to represent victory then does V-Create mean Victory Create

The strongest mythical competitively is, as one probably could expect, God

But Marshadow is an extremely close 2nd

In Singles at least

Which is pretty funny to me

Gen 8 NatDex AG (first image) is the furthest apart they've been, Gen 7 Ubers (second image) is the closest they've been, while also being the only format that is possible in game that has both and Gen 9 NatDex Ubers (3rd image) is the most recent format with both

The only image where they're not ordered alphabetically is the Gen 7 Ubers one which shows that there's only 1 Pokemon between the best Arceus form and Marshadow in terms of viability, being Xerneas

Anyways I have 0 clue how this translates into Infinite Fusion

Hey does anyone here know who between Arceus and Marshadow is the best Mythical in NatDex Infinite Fusion?

3rd place in current gen is comfortably Magearna

Mb that's 3rd place in Gen 7

My brain malfunctioned and swapped shit around

Deoxys is 4th place in Gen 7

And 3rd place in Gen 9

Mag is 3rd place in Gen 7 and 4th place in Gen 9

The gap between Mag and Deoxys is larger in Gen 9 than it is in Gen 7

[trail hull]

Guys , since the three genies of unova are basically the weather trio 2.0 we might see them in pif hoenn

[gray stream]

you mean the three monkeys? if so then i agree

[proud lion]

"We **SEE **and HEAR your demands for bringing in new starters. So now we **FEEL **like now is the right time to reveal the brand new Unovan starters available right now in the latest update!"

[inland jewel]

[velvet root]

good thinking

[rancid nymph]

It’s see no evil, hear no evil, SPEAK no evil, not FEEL no evil

[proud lion]

https://tenor.com/view/go-away-oops-awkward-big-eyes-gif-1236606401277977014

Whoops.

[ivory seal]

So who's currently winning? Or is that not able to be found out yet

[thin pawn]

Probably Emerald they have the most people

[molten loom]

Depends on how many of our team is actually spriters and making sprites for it

[quaint matrix]

There's gotta be a good amount

You guys have the most members

[inland jewel]

there was a guy checking gallery for sprites, and so far it seems like Ruby has most submitted

[thin pawn]

wowza

[inland jewel]

meanwhile Emerald is winning most competition points atp

[molten loom]

we're meant to be acting like we're not in the lead

[inland jewel]

🧌

wait thats not trolldisc

i mean im basing this off of the fact we got 2nd and 3rs in the only finished tournament

[clear lichen]

Emerald gained 20 points from the tournament while Sapphire gained 16, and Ruby is ahead in terms of spriting

Am I getting this right?

[molten loom]

yes

sapphire won the battle of the tournament, but we won the war for points from it

[inland jewel]

ruby with the least amount of members but the most spriters

battle of, artists vs the masses me thinks

[quaint matrix]

We're a dedicated creative see

And when the 17th rolls out we'll be able to provide so much more

[full bison]

Basing who's winning off of only one completed event feels rash. The 20 points are definitely a boon, but there's still plenty of contests happening and lined up.

I think one of the biggest pushes will be from the trainer card contest.

[inland jewel]

yee thats why im saying

despite having more members, other teams are in the lead

[full bison]

I gotta ask- what event on the schedule does everyone think could cause the biggest swings?

I'm between the Trainer Cards depending on participation, or the Speed Spriting event, however that would play out

[ivory seal]

I think its probably the one that rewards the most points

[inland jewel]

i think the food collab

idk how often people do collabs so that might have a low turnabout

which means those who do participate should get high points? is my reasoning.

[ivory seal]

I joined Sapphire for the duck, but I'll be happy whoever wins

[full bison]

For me it's ultimately not which team wins, it's what Pokemon ultimately gets added. I'm Ruby cause it has the most Pokemon I would like in, but the other teams have some real winners too

[thin pawn]

It's gonna be some shit like dedenne

[full bison]

IE if Sapphire wins, I won't be too upset considering it's a chance for Clawitzer

[ivory seal]

If dedenne wins I'd be happy but also really suspicious of how

I'm picking the duck, obviously

[full bison]

It's a popular vote thing so the only Pikaclone I see getting voted in is Pachi

And as much I have grievances with how the fandom has treated it, I wouldn't mind too much if it gets in

[velvet root]

Everyone doing good?

[full bison]

There's been some fun ideas for the trainer cards floating around

[velvet root]

Nice

Top secret or can you say/show them

[trail hull]

Hello

[velvet root]

Greetings

You doing good?

[trail hull]

Yes

I’m doing good and you

[velvet root]

Same

We probably get spyed on but else its fine

[trail hull]

oh really?

[velvet root]

Kinda looks like it

But I better wont say in what regards cuz its a Ruby member so you likely dont know shit

[sterile spoke]

What? 😮

[full bison]

One thing I think would be cool to see for all three teams is a team card with the most popular potential Pokemon additions from each team

Something to memorialize this whole event, you know?

[velvet root]

For that we would need the vote results

[sterile spoke]

And we'd also need to ensure Ribombee had gotten into the game. 😉

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-happy-flying-ribombee-gif-10318751116471072439

[lofty spindle]

I suppose one could say, there is victory to be had one way or the other.

[velvet root]

Ruby and Sapphire

[vocal pivot]

Sticky web gaming

[verbal lava]

So hoenn isnt playable yet?

[rancid nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/yoda-star-wars-gif-10940865116650073754

[molten loom]

this is not a surprise

[clear lichen]

Yanmega is a massive troll apparently and to be honest I think it kinda raised my opinion of it

Oh wait I can't read

I'm an Undertale fan

Nvm I read

Still a troll

[molten loom]

Yeah it's a troll

[clear lichen]

Imagine needing to read to determine what actually happened

[sly totem]

Just read through the dev log and Hoenn is shaping up to be an incredible game already. The NPC trainer changes are amazing, and i hope they bring this energy to the end game content as well, so that it can be far more varied. And have more reasons to keep building and fusing pokemon for teams. My suspicion is that will be the case considering these changes.

I'd also appreciate it if they made it harder (or created a harder mode) With all NPC trainers having 6 pokemon, better AI and all the rest.

I love this game but even on Hard it's fairly easy (I'll be trying expert next playthrough but I've seen some videos and it's still not quite as tough as I'd like it tbh)

But other than that, Hoenn appears to be an insane upgrade on all fronts. Good work guys really looking forward to this

[rancid nymph]

?tag reading (I know it was a joke, I’m just playing along )

[opal trail]

You should try to read NPC dialogue! They give very good hints on how to continue the game. Sometimes they also give you items! Don't forget to talk to NPC's and read what they say.

[swift bison]

Quick question: If/When Hoenn concept work out, in The far far future (the one where project is still going), other regions will be added in the same vein?

[full bison]

Who knows? It's ultimately up to what Frog wants

[velvet root]

<@&306953740651462656> idk if we should show this

Also multichannel

[trail hull]

we have no ideas

[hidden relic]

DM me.

[trail hull]

they almost have 1k this is ridiculous

[rancid nymph]

But do they have 1k spriters?

[velvet root]

Feels more like 10-30 max

[gray stream]

Yes. Be in fear.

[alpine rune]

Kyodonquaza legal?

The humble freeze-dry:

https://tenor.com/view/come-over-its-free-real-estate-commercial-gif-13719638

[zenith token]

oh, poor guy

[inland jewel]

2 months off their estimate

though it could take longer than that

[lean gust]

when is it planned to be in the game?

[rancid nymph]

When is what planned to be in the game?

[lean gust]

like the heonn region

[rancid nymph]

PIF Hoenn is a new game

[thin pawn]

Someday

[white meadow]

Good things come to those who wait after all. With it just being Hoenn, I wonder if they'll add new areas for Post-Game aside from Battle Frontier.

[thin pawn]

Honestly I feel like making the next game Hoenn was a pretty random choice

Like surely Unova or Sinnoh or something could be more interesting

[rancid nymph]

What do you mean random? Hoenn is the next region after Kanto and Johto

[thin pawn]

Yeah but like Unova would add more new and interesting stuff I guess

Hoenn is a bit too similar to what we already have in the game imo

[rancid nymph]

How so?

[thin pawn]

Well the most obvious one is the graphics are much different but that would probably require more work, a lot of the gen 5 pokemon aren't in the game either

Generally I feel like a new game is too big of an occasion for the new game to just be more or less the same

[white meadow]

I feel they might do something unique to make Hoenn interesting. They added a Johto Post-game, Team Rocket missions, Pinka Island and the Sevii Islands in the original PIF game. This means they may have plans to make Hoenn a unique experience as well.

Also, They said they plan on adding pokemon that aren't found in the original PIF

[thin pawn]

That's true, I wonder what Frog'll add to make Hoenn more interesting because unlike with Kanto, Hoenn doesn't have another region right next to it I think

[rancid nymph]

We don’t know the canonical positions of any regions in relation to each other, other than Kanto and Johto

Aside from Sinnoh likely being somewhere to the north of Johto, due to the Sinjoh ruins

[thin pawn]

Right but Johto and Kanto are the only one with actual gameplay connections

[rancid nymph]

Which is exactly why we know their positions relative to each other

[white meadow]

I can only think of Orre as a post-game region. It's small enough with those 5 towns, but it's not connected geographically to Hoenn so it might be impossible and it doen't have gyms anyway. They could add the Orange Islands and include some gyms and an Orange League, but this would be redundant because the Sevii Islands are low-key a game counterpart to the Orange Islands, same with the Southern Islands region. The Mirage Kingdom from the anime maybe?

[wanton crescent]

Orre would be cool as hell, they have ports so maybe you could get to it using the shipyard in Slateport

[inland jewel]

the reason why hoenn is nexxt is because its the other gba game, which the gamemaker he is using is made specifically for gba games

[thin pawn]

Oh yeah

[inland jewel]

if he wanted to make a sinnoh or unova game he can't because engine-wise, there is nothing like that for the nds.

[tropic dew]

Honestly, Orre as a postgame region would be interesting, because it could also possibly integrate the built-in Shadow Pokemon stuff from Essentials into PIF Hoenn

[inland jewel]

and if he tried to demake sinnoh or unova to gba graphics, that would take even longer

[tropic dew]

I mean, the NPC Graphics for PIF are Gen 4/Gen 5-esque. The terrain and buildings though would be the main challenge, that much is true.

[inland jewel]

with PIF Hoenn, at least they gave a timeframe of , "expect this in 6 months, as opposed to. "Yeah we have PIF Sinnoh in a new engine, so wait like 3 years and expect no updates on PIF

and like 3 years is hella generous to start from scratch

[tropic dew]

All things considered, I think de-making Sinnoh or Unova is possible, but very time consuming. PIF and PIF Hoenn aren't 1 to 1 remakes in terms of map layout, and even add some things to keep the experience fresh compared to the original GBA games

But nonetheless, Sinnoh or Unova as a postgame region does seem a bit farfetched as things are; PIF Hoenn isn't even out yet.

But we do have the justification of using Slateport as our primary means of reaching areas not actually connected to Hoenn, as RSE and FRLG shared many of the same Event Islands.

But as far as a postgame region goes, Orre has a LOT of potential to me, both for possibly introducing Shadow Pokemon mechanics to PIF Hoenn, and what demaking Orre into 2D would look like.

[white meadow]

True. Orre doesn't have routes and you just fast track to towns via a hover motorcycle. This kinda leaves Orre having a blank canvas for the devs to be creative on what they can add to it. Maybe slap battle frontier into Orre with each town having a frontier brain or something instead of the standard Emerald Battle Frontier when it's all on the same island.

[quaint matrix]

If we want more PIF content in good time realistically the only real way is for Frog to stop being a one-man dev and open up so he has a team of devs helping him out on his codes (might even allow himself to finally upgrade to Pokemon Essentials Gen 8+)

[tropic dew]

hey now, Emerald Battle Frontier was peak

[white meadow]

It still is

[quaint matrix]

But we all know Frog's stance on this in general lol so this is where we're at

That he's even wanting to do PIF Hoenn makes me wonder if he does wanna start from scratch codewise or this is purely a side project

[white meadow]

You can only fit so many locations in the original game before it gets wonky. So it makes sense Hoenn would be a seperate game.

[inland jewel]

i mean, code-wise, Pif Hoenn is exactly the same as base PIF

the only new things are going to be maps, encounters, and such

[quaint matrix]

There ya go

[inland jewel]

no new items, no new graphics, no new anything.

the reason is that he can't realistically add more stuff to base PIF because space limitations

so this is supposed to be a blank slate for him to add more stuff and not break things trying to shove it into one file

if he did add all of Hoenn into base PIF, he would have to go back and eliminate pointless maps, making for less to explore/secrets/fun events.

[tropic dew]

Well

theoretically, he COULD add more maps, but it'd be difficult to do so because adding maps outside of the baked in 999 map limit imposed by RMXP is hella difficult. It's POSSIBLE, but incredibly obtuse to implement.

[dusty arrow]

https://tenor.com/view/rouxls-kaard-rouxls-deltarune-entrance-gif-23640231

https://tenor.com/view/rouxls-rouxls-kaard-deltarune-nvm-gif-3288971893523549950

[bitter comet]

Well you heard it here, folks. Ice type Magikarp must be added now, that’s just the Rouxls

[feral bridge]

yup

how that works

can confirm

[tropic dew]

Watch it get added... but as an unobtainable joke fight, like Cool Dino.

[summer apex]

orre my beloved...

[velvet root]

Would still be cool
You find it in a freezer room

[fallen loom]

boo, team normie is going to win :/

no shot they finished first!

also I'm confused:
Why does Cherrim get two forms, but Meowstic only gets male?

Cherrim doesn't learn any different moves based on form

also female Meowstic is the default one

does this mean female Meowstic can't learn these through level-up:
Stored Power
Me First
Magical Leaf
Charge Beam
Shadow Ball
Extrasensory
Signal Beam
Future Sight

[trail hull]

because it's an ability

[fallen loom]

I know, but it doesn't excuse Meowstic

I just don't get Frog's logic

he already screwed over Rotom, Deoxys, Giratina and Lycanroc, why screw over Meowstic female too?

[trail hull]

wdym , lycanroc got 2 slots

also the other 3 were added before form changing mons got their own dex slots

[fallen loom]

Lycanroc should have got 3

Dusk is just a better Midday

[trail hull]

dusk has very similar body to midday

[fallen loom]

it has better moves, better stats and a better ability

plus the ONLY chance we have at getting Tough Claws is some fuggo no-one's going to vote for except me

[trail hull]

who has tough claws aside from lycanroc?

[fallen loom]

Binacle

[trail hull]

frogs love binacle so who knows

[fallen loom]

back to Meowstic, I wouldn't say the two forms are similar enough to get mistaken for, since the colours are inversed (white with blue highlights, blue with white highlights) and the head hair, tails, scarf and waist fluff are different

[velvet root]

I heard we do get both
Just isnt shown double cuz it doesnt matter

[viscid fossil]

I still want to know how the evolutions for espurr and meowstic would work
Because they need a gender to properly evolve and you can easily get genderless fusions

[dusty arrow]

nonbinary meowstic when

[white meadow]

Doing Team Rocket missions in PIF was fun. I hope we can play as villains in Hoenn at some point.

[velvet root]

Probably random evo if genderless

[spice sage]

Because it was just listed as one in the list I used to make that graphic If it gets added, it would take up 2 pokedex spots, like nidoran male and female

[velvet root]

We get the conformation now Frog is typeing

[trail hull]

oh great

[velvet root]

Thanks rainbow gem froggo

[trail hull]

this make the technical max of pokemon in pif 824

[white meadow]

Interesting.

https://tenor.com/view/meowstic-pokemon-cute-gif-25614970

[tacit saddle]

stone perhaps? sun and moon?

[velvet root]

1k

[trail hull]

question , I know each team decide which batch is voted for but do the loosing team also take part in the vote or is it reserved to just the members of the winning team

[tender plank]

what the hex are us other teams meant to do against that vro 🥀

[velvet root]

We all have roughly the same amount of spriters

[full bison]

Really it all comes down to how fast and how talented the spriters are, as well as team mentality

[trail hull]

even if we both have only 10% of our members actully sprite you guys have twice as more

[velvet root]

We got like 20~ spriters who make sprite

Our Fighters are Spriter too

Our mods dont even do shit

The thing we do have is that we have 0 idea what has any chance

[gray stream]

gogoat, leavanny, bronzong, and malamar seem somewhat likely

don’t know about any others

i guess ribombee and tsareena have a chance

vikavolt

[molten loom]

Is yanmega still the lone simisage voter that we know?

[gray stream]

no clue

[molten loom]

It's on the team doc

I would check, but I'm on mobile and mobile sheets sucks

[gray stream]

there might be a few extra mons actually, since votes usually round up to nice numbers

wouldn’t be surprised if the simis got in

[hexed agate]

I gave you the platform to earn points in

[velvet root]

Should have clarified what I meant

[hexed agate]

No, now I'm hurt

No more Speed Spriter

[velvet root]

I cheer you up wait

[warm frost]

what that boy chuffin

[white meadow]

Tsareena, Gogoat, Liligant, Braviary and Espurr are very popular in their own right. However I'm crossing my fingers for Druddigon.

https://tenor.com/view/druddigon-pokemon-pokemon-druddigon-happy-happy-druddigon-gif-8384546911411607714

[gray stream]

Same, one of my favorite pokemon

i kinda like all the single-stage dragons but druddigon is my favorite of the three

[white meadow]

Can't go wrong with lizard

[rancid nymph]

You realize that this requires Emerald to win, which isn’t going to happen, right

[velvet root]

I mean everyone has still the chance of winning

[weak trellis]

including...

you.

[white meadow]

I'll cross my fingrs for these if the others win

[rancid nymph]

Sapphire’s obviously going to win. You might get second though

[velvet root]

Yeah the others have great mons too
I hope for a fossil win cuz it was stated mons that belong together get in together

All I would think are cool

[thin pawn]

no way

[velvet root]

?

[trail hull]

where was it said?

[thin pawn]

no how

[velvet root]

In a convo about wormadam and monke

[white meadow]

The burmy line is inevitable

[fallen loom]

Team Emerald only has these choices TBH, the rest are either not popular enough or are extra jank:
Petilil
Starly
Leavanny
Vikavolt
Gogoat
Tsareena
Malamar
Pangoro
Cutiefly

[velvet root]

Where is Pangoro

[fallen loom]

oops

[velvet root]

Also you dont wanna know what mons we like in #team-emerald

Peak list

Cryogonal, Druddigon, Purugly and Basculin

[thin pawn]

ah cryogonal, nobody's favorite

[velvet root]

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-villager-gif-11918219948647847816

[fallen loom]

Sawk, Throh, Carnivine, Elgyem, Bronzor, Basculin, Bouffalant, Cryogonal, Sigilyph and Druddigon are lame

[molten loom]

cryogonal seems like it would be a pain to do sprites for

[full bison]

Wouldn't believe it reading through the Ruby team chat.
Emerald completed their Pokemon chart first, and from how people reacted you would think that Emerald instantly won the whole event

[thin pawn]

So true bestie

[velvet root]

Idk what theyr problem is

[full bison]

Archeops is one of the most popular Pokemon in our team and I think the Defeatist ability has rubbed off on some people there

[velvet root]

Sawk and Throh are the only ones I am not interested in
But if I sprite them I likely would want them too qwq

[fallen loom]

because EMerald has over twice as many

[full bison]

As if the number of members means much of anything

[velvet root]

https://tenor.com/view/beheeyem-gif-4854070049586423072

Look at him

[fallen loom]

it means they completed the sheet first

[thin pawn]

What is it with the anime and having every pokemon just shoot out energy balls/energy beams

[velvet root]

Ngl I wish we were the smalest team so our top picks would be more safe
With 1k people we likely get a general most popular not our most popular

[thin pawn]

They're so lame

[full bison]

I get that it's probably not sporting to get this upset at my team, but it just annoys me how so many people act like all is lost over minor things

[molten loom]

I mean it was very close between ruby and emerald

[hexed agate]

How dare you

[velvet root]

I leaked we have 20 spriters max (I count the ones that did 1 sprite or more)

[hexed agate]

Cryogonal is awesome

[thin pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/you-sure-about-that-gif-6823241795540399689

[hexed agate]

Emerald only has heaters

Bronzong is right there

[molten loom]

it seems like it would be a pain to sprite with imo

[hexed agate]

🔥

[thin pawn]

Totally

[hexed agate]

Skill issue

[velvet root]

I still fear you guys
You all can still win
we didnt even finish the first week

[fallen loom]

so basically Tsareena and Lilligant

[hexed agate]

Vikavolt did better than them last time

[molten loom]

yes, as I only have 9 sprites to my name I don't have my experience for better skill

[hexed agate]

Charjabased nation rise up

[thin pawn]

timmy what are ruby's top picks

[thin pawn]

Now you're talking

[velvet root]

I actually see Vikavolt and Staraptor having a high chance

[quaint matrix]

I can tell you

[hexed agate]

Salazzle and Exacadrill

[quaint matrix]

Archeops

Salazzle

Excadrill

Yep

[velvet root]

Like Who didnt use a Staraptor atleast once?

[thin pawn]

Awesome

[full bison]

And Gigalith

[thin pawn]

Why Salazzle

And gigalith

[quaint matrix]

Are you really asking why

I'm not gonna explain Salazzle but Gigalith is pretty easy

[full bison]

Crustle and Mandibuzz are popular too, which surprised me

[quaint matrix]

Competent Golem + Mono-Rock

[full bison]

Sand Stream too

[fallen loom]

Crustle is good because we need more bugs

[quaint matrix]

See that would've been my argument for Hippowdon more lmao

Hippowdon is also the popular picks in Ruby

[velvet root]

Staraptor was on nearly every gen 4 team, is a Nuzlock top pick, many want it to become Fighting type since they want it to be even better, it looks cool and so much more I cant think of rn

[molten loom]

https://tenor.com/view/swadloon-pokemon-swadloon-gif-10898648347245418396

[velvet root]

https://tenor.com/view/staraptor-bird-pokemon-shiny-shiny-pokémon-gif-27024797

[quaint matrix]

I love Staraptor but in this wide a choice pool frankly the line stood no chance

[full bison]

I thought people liked Shao a lot more, but I guess it's just me and a handful others that were vocal about it

[quaint matrix]

I mean I do love Shao

I just have my priorities straight lol

[thin pawn]

Of course it's on every gen 4 team, diamond and pearl have no pokemon

[fallen loom]

how many people will vote for Binacle?

[velvet root]

But they had other fun Flyers

[full bison]

Not too many, but they exist

[quaint matrix]

To this day it amazes me a gen can release with absolutely no Fire mons outside of the starter

[white meadow]

Staraptor is a Sinnoh staple, everyone had one and like Pidgeot it has that cool bird factor

[fallen loom]

it's our only choice for Tough Claws

[thin pawn]

It's the ps5 of pokemon games

[quaint matrix]

Like you'd think it'd be impossible to make that kinda mistake and yet

[full bison]

It had Fire types,.they were just locked to the postgame for some dumb reason

[fallen loom]

and Magmortar

[quaint matrix]

Imagine a gen where the only Water is the starter

[white meadow]

So yeah, Staplemons would be the top pick for any team

[velvet root]

Also tell me one nuzlocker or player that gets sad about a Staraptor encounter

https://tenor.com/view/starly-bird-tackle-pokemon-gif-27111005

Also cute first form

[quaint matrix]

While we're on the Starly line love train

It's one of Ash's most underrated Pokemon

Dare I say he has a lot more aura than Ash's Greninja

[full bison]

Ultimately, as I keep saying, every team has some real winners. If Sapphire wins, I can get excited over potentially getting Clawitzer or Cryogonal. If Emerald won, that could mean Vikavolt or Staraptor

[quaint matrix]

I have my own personal darkhorses too

I'd vote in Lilligant and Leavanny if Emerald won

[velvet root]

I am happy no matter who wins
I dont really hate a Pokemon and every new mon is a new challenge!
Ofc I want some more but they can get in later worst case

[quaint matrix]

I'd probably vote in Vanilluxe and Araquanid if Sapphire won too

[white meadow]

If Sapphire won, I'd vote for the frogs

[velvet root]

We need more Staraptor sprites
Anyone wanna make a flying base

[quaint matrix]

I would've loved to vote for the frogs but man the other Sapphire choices feels easier to me

[velvet root]

If we only had 1 vote I would vote Costa in Sapphire

[quaint matrix]

And those frogs are frankly on the totem pole in terms of Water/Ground mons

[full bison]

Frog has some big surprise lined up for late into the month. I really feel like it's going to be more than this team fight and the resulting Pokemon vote that this whole month will feature

[velvet root]

https://tenor.com/view/seismitoad-seismitoad-uses-mud-shot-mud-shot-gif-25724506

[white meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/toxicroak-tuesday-gif-22972910

[velvet root]

I see him add 10 non hoenn lines with the votes and extra choice

[velvet root]

oooh that froggo

Ribbit ribbit mf XD

[full bison]

Part of me is expecting a Mythical, considering the hidden movie thing. Why would a movie be hidden like that if it meant nothing?

[velvet root]

But what we get is more than enough too

[velvet root]

I see the Tapus or some Ultra beasts since Hoenn is similiar to Alola cuz ISLAND

[full bison]

I am 100 percent vouching for Croagunk/Goomy becoming an emote if Croagunk gets added

[full bison]

Please don't give me hope like that

[velvet root]

Uncomfy or EW emote

[velvet root]

Good that you never saw the modded version

[quaint matrix]

God the Tapus and Ultra Beasts being in this game would be an absolutely insane update

[full bison]

I would draw so many Nihilego and Naganadel stuff

[velvet root]

I can also see Alola box arts and a new triple

[quaint matrix]

It's time

Twilight Wings Necrozma

[velvet root]

I could also believe in Hoopa cuz Hoeen is the next best Region to fit imo

[warm frost]

me because staravia is very common,,

[quaint matrix]

Finally we can redeem Hoopa's shittastic typing

[full bison]

If we do get a Solgaleo/Lunala/Necrozma fusion, it would be so cool if it could go Ultra

[quaint matrix]

I mean that's only one part of the big problem about Hoopa but yknow

Imagine it having a more competent Psychic dual combo

[velvet root]

Btw what was the region name of the one gen 3 game Pokemon Colloseum (no?)
The one in which we steal pkmn stealing gear from our old evil team companions

[quaint matrix]

Orre

[full bison]

Psychic has like 2 types that combo well with it lol

[quaint matrix]

It doesn't have to combo well it just needs to be competent/workable

Psychic/Water or Psychic/Ground is certainly workable

Not 4x weak to Ghost and Dark the typing and literally no good defensive trait the typing

[outer matrix]

I would draw so many ultra beast fusions if they were announced

BUT

the mystery movie is likely going to be a mythical reveal instead

[full bison]

Hoopa is definitely the most likely Mythical to get added if one will be.

[proud lion]

We need the monkis

https://tenor.com/view/anipoke-pokemon-gif-23760775

[outer matrix]

Ok so if hoopa was announced, what fusions could be made with it (counting both regular and unbound as seperate dex slots)

[full bison]

Hoopa Unbound fused with Banette would be a perfect combo to reference the Fly of Despair

[random dragon]

I hope shaymin gets in at least

[gray stream]

shaymin’s pretty underrated, it’d be great for fusions imo

[full bison]

As much as I'm talking about Hoopa, I would prefer Shaymin to it. I don't care much about Hoopa, I just think it makes the most sense to add

[gray stream]

i prefer hoopa but shaymin would infact be goated

unbound form would be a huge pain to sprite probably

[trail hull]

every team has at least 500 now

[random dragon]

If we don’t get sawsbuck with cherry blossoms, at least we would get shaymin with them

[velvet root]

Anyone wanna make a Tierlist what Emerald mon they want ?

[gray stream]

posting this outside of emerald chat too ig

[thin pawn]

gogoat and druddigon on the same tear as vikavolt and staraptor

https://tenor.com/view/buzzer-alesha-dixon-amanda-holden-simon-cowell-britain's-got-talent-gif-8976357544528389493

[gray stream]

opinions exist and most people agree that gogoat is the goat

so ur wrong

[molten loom]

and mine that I put little thought into

[gray stream]

druddigon would be more fun to sprite than vikavolt and staraptor imo, and i like it more

[thin pawn]

nuh uh

[obsidian elbow]

Imagine having an opinion

[gray stream]

ikr

[thin pawn]

Opinions are not allowed

[obsidian elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/sylveon-rule-rules-gif-23710123

[gray stream]

*no opinions only

[velvet root]

HARD agree

[rain locust]

wheres this tier list

[molten loom]

emerald chat, I think zero was asking if anyone wanted it earlier here as well

[rain locust]

Link.

[molten loom]

https://tiermaker.com/create/team-emerald-what-you-like-list-18085702

[rain locust]

Right Opinion

[thin pawn]

bruh

[rain locust]

[white meadow]

I'm not surprised about Sawk and Throh. They just look like muppets

[thin pawn]

I just can not see the appeal of gogoat or druddigon

Genuinely baffled

[rain locust]

gogoat has high hp and milk drink

[white meadow]

I like monsterous dragons and Druddigon is cool

[rain locust]

i think the other grass with not mono synthesis is celebi

[velvet root]

I can see them giving cool looks

[rain locust]

druddigon is a glare user so it automatically gets a rank up

[thin pawn]

I guess

Aren't bulky grass types generally not that good

Live wo-chien reaction

[rain locust]

wochien has a bad type

fusion can give you a good type

[thin pawn]

Oh true

Ok I'm starting to see the appeal

[rain locust]

for example tangrowth is widely used as a grass steel

[velvet root]

Grass/Steel Highest Grass HP + Multiple ways to heal sounds fun

[rain locust]

counter to the ladder heroes favorite fusion ferrothorn/garchomp

oops that should be relaxed

[gray stream]

smorts

[rain locust]

no way its real

[velvet root]

Ofc its real

I think it was my first fully non if Gogoat (well goliso is in now but yeah)

[white meadow]

Another list with Sawk and Throh at D tier

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-sawk-bianca-anime-hugs-gif-17273717

[thin pawn]

You're right, they should be in F

[gray vine]

i like their designs, but i would like them having a baby that can evolve into either

[thin pawn]

They're literally just guys

[gray vine]

not just have 2 fighter mons so similar and not connected

[rain locust]

this is so true we should add kubfu

[thin pawn]

Actual filler pokemon

The Basculin of fighting types

[rain locust]

well legion is p cool at least

[thin pawn]

12 years after the original

Where's the throhlegion and sawklegion

[rain locust]

no better time to make it than now

theyre both fighting ghost and also get last respects

[quaint matrix]

Another broken base Ghost/Fighting mon for the books

https://tenor.com/view/shooting-hoops-patrick-star-the-patrick-star-show-dunk-basketball-gif-25276456

[white meadow]

To be fair, a lot of Pokemon are straight up humans. It started with Gen 1 with human Pokemon such as Jynx.

[thin pawn]

Yes and they all suck

you could say they.... sawk

[quaint matrix]

Bro boutta make a manifesto why Gardevoir was a mistake

[thin pawn]

wait not like that

[white meadow]

I remember an old joke comic about Mr. Mime being just a guy in a clown costume way back when. But yeah, I got no problem with human-like Pokemon. However I'm tired of human-like starters that keep getting made, still think Sprigatitto going bipedal was a mistake

[thin pawn]

I think it's not as bad if the pokemon isn't just like a guy

Like Medicham is wacky enough to be given the pass

But Machamp that's literally just a wrestler

[full bison]

I would make a Team Ruby tier list, but tiermaker is doing that thing I hate where it's not letting me in cause I use an ad blocker

[molten loom]

weird it said nothing about that to me, what adblocker are you using?

[full bison]

Firefox Focus

[molten loom]

uBlock origin doesn't have the issue

[thin pawn]

yea ublock is cool

[molten loom]

very good

[grave jolt]

Being fair to Machamp and Mr. Mime, it was literally the first generation. Gen 1 was an utter mess.

[thin pawn]

Yeah gen 1 pokemon designs are kinda shit

There's some good ones and then there's some real stinkers

[grave jolt]

It's certainly better than pidgey on the "normal animal" department

[thin pawn]

My very much correct and unbiased sapphire pokemon tier list

[rain locust]

Link.

[thin pawn]

Zelda?

[rain locust]

[thin pawn]

https://tiermaker.com/create/every-pokemon-2023-1394582 I just used this one but it was a pain to search through it all to find the right pokemon

[rain locust]

Zamn.

[random dragon]

7/10, too much water, Gastrodon is an exception tho

Might move it to 8/10

[thin pawn]

Well we're team aqua obviously

[random dragon]

Please give spritzes line fairy aura, it would be so funny

[thin pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pokemon-oras-oras-alpha-sapphire-sapphire-gif-11765886026263204609

[thin pawn]

sure

[shadow magnet]

I still hope for manaphy 🫧

it would be cool if IF had a nod or plotline with pokemon rangers

rescuing the egg in the first one and transfering it to pearl to be my starter pokemon blew my mind back in the day

[outer matrix]

So

like an event in PIF 1 where we rescue the manaphy egg

And then we send it to PIF Hoenn

[white meadow]

Would be cool if PIF ever does a Sinnoh game in the next 10 years. Probably have the Almia region from Pokemon Ranger be a post-game because it's geographically connected to Sinnoh from the Southwest

[shadow magnet]

would also love to not wait until PIF sinnoh though 😅 we got jirachi/deoxys/etc in kanto afterall! maybe we can slip in a lil mana somewhere

I just love that lil guy

[white meadow]

Looks like Hoenn doesn't have a known region that's right next door.

[civic harness]

Where is the link to the tierlist maker?

[thin pawn]

A couple messages under the image i sent

[civic harness]

Oh ok

[feral bridge]

Hey dinner!

[civic harness]

Hello there lad

[feral bridge]

You remember me?

We spread crabominable propaganda

[civic harness]

Oh yes

I remember

So long time no see isnt?

[feral bridge]

Yeah

I had lost my account

[zenith token]

maybe (hopefully) Orre?

[civic harness]

Oh sorry for heard that lad

[feral bridge]

Eh it’s not too bad

I got back in here and found my friends so :D

[craggy nexus]

Tbf that maps doesnt cover everything for example kitakami should be rigth below almia

[thin pawn]

Is Kitakami like a city state

[civic harness]

Good, and now how are you going with this team event?

[feral bridge]

I need to regain spriter first lol

I don’t have the evidence to get the role back

[civic harness]

Oh right

[feral bridge]

My files are all recent downloads of my sprites

[velvet root]

Orre was close to Hoenn wasnt it?

I think its like that

[velvet root]

Also that would mean Mirror B would be there

[feral bridge]

FUCK YEAH

HIT THAT SHIT

https://tenor.com/view/miror-b-gale-of-darkness-gif-13420895246981540516

[tropic dew]

afaik Orre was based off the very arid American Southwest? Some say it's based off of SoCal, or Arizona, but the currency used in Orre is explicitly PokeDollars, so it's SOMEWHERE America-esque.

[summer apex]

I've always thought of it was near Unova

also it's confirmed to be at the very least inspired by Arizona, if not actually based on it

[velvet root]

I remember hearing often that its north of hoenn

[tropic dew]

That's... not something that popped up even in cursory searches

[summer apex]

-# (from a nintendo interview)

[tropic dew]

Neat. I imagine they had to shove in a bit of SoCal into there, since Arizona is explicitly landlocked.

[summer apex]

could just be based on some lake or something, I don't know phoenix well enough

[tropic dew]

Nah, it's ocean bordering.

[summer apex]

they made the hudson river into an ocean for Unova, so

[tropic dew]

Pretty sure there's no lake with an island in Arizona?

[velvet root]

I also wouldnt look at the Pokemon world map as if it was close to ours
Even less with whats based on what

[tropic dew]

In any case, we can at least assume that Orre and Unova are neighbors of sorts, even if we take into account that the Pokemon World Map isn't 1 to 1 with our world.

[summer apex]

bulbapedia says that gateon port may be loosely based on Lake Havasu for a number of reasons that I'm jsut going to blindly trust because I don't feel like researching arizona rn

but I could see it

[clear lichen]

Miror B team where he's a double battle hell bent on abusing Oricorio's Dancer with a Quiver Dance partner

Heck, fuse Oricorio with a Pokemon that also learns Quiver Dance

And fuse Ludicolo with a Quiver Dancer too

[summer apex]

it does, in fact, have an island (albeit a manmade one, it was a peninsula until they carved a canal through it)

[clear lichen]

Actually give him multiple Oricorio fusions

All of which are fused with Quiver Dancers

Because that'd be hilarious

[tropic dew]

But yeah, Orre as a postgame region in PIF Hoenn, accessible via Slateport would rock.

[summer apex]

volcarona for both quiver dance AND fiery dance

[clear lichen]

True

I'd say Volcarona should get fused to Ludicolo

Since it is the best Quiver Dancer

And if you think of Miror B you think of Ludicolo

[summer apex]

also throwback to that time I spent 16 hours making a map for a fangame set in near future Orre

that project's still rotting away somewhere in WIP hell

[clear lichen]

It would've been nice if Infinite Fusion just gave Oricorio QD like SV did

So that this idea doesn't just need like

50 million Bugs

Bellossom definitely needs to be one of the fused Pokemon and it needs to have Petal Dance because that'd be hilarious

Would Dancer lock you into Petal Dance?

[tropic dew]

There's a lot that could be done with introducing Shadow Pokemon mechanics into PIF, though that begs the question of whether we adapt the plot of Colosseum or XD Gale of Darkness, or we happen to visit Orre at a point in time where the events of one or both games have already passed.

I think, if Shadow Pokemon DO get introduced into PIF Hoenn eventually, it should come with limitations, Like Shadow Pokemon receiving the usual benefits and drawbacks, but you also can't Fuse a normal Pokemon with a Shadow Pokemon, or two Shadow Pokemon to make a Shadow Pokemon Fusion. ||Unless it's for like... a boss encounter type of thing. A Shadow Triple Fusion boss would be a goddamn nightmare...||

[clear lichen]

Sadly Ddance is not gonna be great on a team of only special attackers

And Clangorous Soul does not exist yet

So the only dance moves to be spammed are Revelation Dance, Quiver Dance, Petal Dance and Fiery Dance

If Dancer wasn't so niche and Quaquaval's HA wasn't already as great as Moxie I'd have loved to see Quaquaval have Dancer

[velvet root]

How?

[tropic dew]

Orre and Unova being explicitly based on American Cities/States, mainly.

[clear lichen]

Orre is supposedly based on Phoenix, Arizona

[tropic dew]

and Unova's based on New York, with southern Unova, introduced in B2W2, being modeled after New Jersey, supposedly.

[summer apex]

Maybe if they just cut the Blaze / Overgrow / Torrent shit and gave starters regular abilities

[clear lichen]

We both know that isn't happening

[summer apex]

[velvet root]

What has that to do with the location?
The only regions we exactly know that are next to each other are Johto and Kanto
On top we talk about a game with Giraffs in Spain and Japan
Ice Bears in New York
Lions in France

[clear lichen]

Besides it's not like Quaquaval would get into IF anyways

It's just like

One of the only physical Pokemon that could have Dancer

Others including Hisuian Lilligant

And kinda Kommo-O?

[tropic dew]

You are getting unusually tilted about this, Zero.

[clear lichen]

Since it does have a signature dance move

... Only in Gen 8 and 9, though

It's also like

A mixed attacker