pif-hoenn-discussion

[rain locust]

lilligant gets outclassed by celebi

[quaint matrix]

Aren't they being suspect tested right now

Q-Dance I mean

[clear lichen]

Alomomola is fat and has Regenerator

[rain locust]

alomomola doublade is almost impossible to break through physically

[quaint matrix]

Yeah that tracks

[full bison]

I just find it funny/sad that Beartic has so much hype behind it cause it might get Slush Rush, but given the past record of later gen abilities, it's likely to just have Swift Swim, leaving Hail just as useless as it always was

[safe depot]

Also Comfey because Triage is very broken

Belly Drum + Drain Punch

[rain locust]

triage also gets immediately banned

[safe depot]

That's lame but I guess understandable

[clear lichen]

Belly Drum's already banned too I think

[rain locust]

ppl were using ampharos/comfey in ndou it was broken

[quaint matrix]

I don't even need to think about it twice to know its broken in PIF OU

[full bison]

I'm guessing Bronzong is A tier cause it has abilities that any self respecting Steel type would beg for to negate/lower it's weaknesses

[safe depot]

Wait Cinccino is basically better Ambipom shouldn't that be really good with fast technician or Skill Link?

[clear lichen]

I know there was at least 1 Water Bubble suspect early on in the NatDex formats

[quaint matrix]

Triage on a mon with competent offense is nightmarish

[clear lichen]

Like it was one of the very first suspects

I assume it got banned from either that or a later one?

[rain locust]

ambipom is also terrible

[quaint matrix]

Steel/Fairy and Steel/Ghost just makes Bronzong an insane fuse

Well Steel/Fairy specifically

It'll bring back be the good ol' tossup that Bronzong was known for

[clear lichen]

I can tell guessing between Levitate and Heatproof is gonna be a pain

[safe depot]

This comp sounds kinda lame after a while

[quaint matrix]

Cinccino is the competent Ambipom sadly

The most I've tried with Ambipom during a normal gameplay is like a Normal/Ghost Ambipom and like

Man I'd rather do any other Normal mons

[safe depot]

Use Ambipom with something like Gear Grind

Ambipom/Klinklang was really good

[rain locust]

klinklang/scyther or something sound better but even that gets walled by steels really easily

[full bison]

Mandibuzz in B tier is my yearly reminder that it's way better than it's forgettableness makes me think it is lol

[safe depot]

Fighting moves?

[clear lichen]

Apparently Ambipom gets DiB when fused with a Steel type but that's definitely banned

[rain locust]

brick break does peanuts

[clear lichen]

Idk someone said something like that

[quaint matrix]

What's DiB

[rain locust]

double iron bash

[clear lichen]

Double Iron Bash

[safe depot]

Double Iron-Bash

[quaint matrix]

Ah

[rain locust]

yeah its just really fat

[quaint matrix]

Dark/Flying kinda undersold how fat Mandi is

[rain locust]

also if it gets owing like honch does it might go hard

[quaint matrix]

Especially since the other rep for it is a famously frail mixed attacker lol

[full bison]

Tanky Oblivion Wing sounds like actual torture

[rain locust]

p clear who the winner is here

[clear lichen]

Wait Alo's in Ruby?

I'd have assumed it'd be in Sapphire lmao

[quaint matrix]

Average Ruby W

[full bison]

I swear whenever the Aura Trio gets added, they should bring the AG tier with them if it isn't a thing in the Fusion meta already cause good Lord they're all absurd

[rain locust]

ag exists

[quaint matrix]

I don't know if any tier above OU gets any extensive look as of right now

[rain locust]

idt theyre ag material though

[quaint matrix]

Yeah they feel mid-tier Uber at most

[rain locust]

yveltal removing owing is sad though

[quaint matrix]

Remember that we're still gonna have to reckon that with PiF Hoenn there's just gonna be no more Tail Glow gaming

[clear lichen]

Idk my brain is normal Ubers coded and I feel like they'd definitely be at least top tier

[quaint matrix]

(Unless Manaphy is also added but even then)

[rain locust]

honestly i think its for the best

tg is too cheesy

[clear lichen]

Assuming Power Construct on Zygarde of course

[full bison]

Xerneas passing on Geomancy onto a Flare Boost Reshiram fusion sounds a little bit more than mid-tier Uber

[quaint matrix]

It'd be real funny to see people desperately trying to make Tail Glow work post-Volbeat

[rain locust]

xern would find it hard to compete against stuff like blissey doublade

[clear lichen]

Ah

Yknow what that's fair enough

[quaint matrix]

Yeah you're not considering the Normal Bulkers

[rain locust]

or vest hooh

[clear lichen]

Blissey/Doublade sounds absolutely disgusting

[quaint matrix]

Eviolite Blissey/Doublade even

[clear lichen]

Also, literally just normal Ho-Oh

[rain locust]

true...

[clear lichen]

I should've known it'd have made a name for itself

But I didn't

[rain locust]

but also fire/ground to not get owned by electric coverage

mandibuzz bulk is not as good as i thought in fusions but i thought of something like this

[full bison]

I just noticed Wishiwashi in D instead of F. I thought being shackled to Schooling would have hurt it a lot more, especially with stuff like Golisopod and Archeops not being burdened by their abilities the same way

[rain locust]

thats true

[full bison]

One day... One day...

Course it's headed straight to Ubers cause holy hell, but it would still be fun for singleplayer

[rain locust]

i kinda figured big stats could be good but its a nothing abil that punishes you for going low so i prob goes to f

it also has a shallow movepool

[full bison]

TBF Shallow movepools aren't the biggest concern with fusion in mind, but there's really not a lot you can do to salvage "you become a worse Sunkern if hit hard enough."

[safe depot]

Could scout

[rain locust]

that and high stat mons tend not to have v good movepools

[safe depot]

If you think something will drop ya, click the healing move

Wishiwashi just needs HP and a Healing mo e

[rain locust]

theres little reason to use the first over the second two bc the second two have higher bulk and setup/utility

[safe depot]

and there’s a lot of high HP mons with a healing move thay can boost this

[rain locust]

the only really good one is kyurem

[full bison]

So what are some good Fusions for Mienshao? Visually is ofc the big decider, but statistically would be interesting too

I gotta get back into the spirit of drawing things again

[rain locust]

maybe something like this

or this who has more speed at the cost of bulk

maybe

potent once the necrozmium bug gets fixed

[trail hull]

Wow extra mons this year

[full bison]

Definitely a bolt from the blue

[unkempt kernel]

If I join a team, do I have to participate in battles?

[trail hull]

you're not forced to

[unkempt kernel]

Ah ok, my decision was easy tho as I all needed to find was the squirrel

[trail hull]

I hope this doesn't mean we have to sprite school for and solo form

[full bison]

I think if there's any sprite wars it will just ask you to sprite any of the things your team includes without requiring anything in particular

[trail hull]

I wasn't talking about that

but rather of how wishiwashi would be implemented

[full bison]

Considering how Frog tries to be relatively authentic to the series, I definitely feel like Wishiwashi will have both Solo and School form

[unkempt kernel]

Ye it would probs work like other form mons

[trail hull]

stealing thorns list thatshows all mon

[quaint matrix]

Look at how many bangers Ruby Team got

[trail hull]

topaz is here for funsies and the weather trio is just here to illustrate which team

[quaint matrix]

No skips all around

[unkempt kernel]

I kinda wish the Binacle line was in sapphire but oh well

I just care for Pachirisu

[full bison]

As much as I love Barbaracle and it makes me root for Ruby more, it does make more sense for Sapphire

[trail hull]

alomomola too

[full bison]

Just move Pangoro into Ruby and Swoobat into Emerald while we're at it

[trail hull]

funfact : Ruby is currently the smallest team while emerald is the biggest

[unkempt kernel]

Really? I’ve seen a lot of Ruby’s

[full bison]

Ruby has like 2 of the 3 most popular Pokemon in the last vote

[quaint matrix]

Quantitatively speaking

[unkempt kernel]

Emerald would have been my pick if sapphire didn’t have Pach

[trail hull]

alpha saphire for life

[unkempt kernel]

Cus the Tsarrena line

[unkempt kernel]

Ye

[quaint matrix]

I really wanna rep Grass so bad but

Man

[viscid hull]

5 of my favourite lines are all in Sapphire, but I chose Ruby too fast, whoops.

[quaint matrix]

Red has way too many bangers for me to ignore

At least I wouldn't be caught dead repping Sapphire team of frauds I tell you

[full bison]

I will stand by Mienshao through thick and thin, and Excadrill and Gigalith certainly help

[trail hull]

no matter which additions appear it will still cause some monotype fusions

[viscid hull]

Saphire has the most of my beloved Pokemon, but also the most of "I don't care about this one at all"

[unkempt kernel]

Kinda wish it was a normal vote like last year

[trail hull]

we're definetely getting something at the last movie

[quaint matrix]

Yeah Sapphire is kinda guilty of way too many shitters in there

[full bison]

So... You think we're getting a Mythical out of this?

[trail hull]

and yet it's more chosen then ruby

[quaint matrix]

Even though I love the hell out of Jellicent Vanillish and Crracosta

[quaint matrix]

Hey everybody got their favorites it's just imo

[full bison]

Cause now that new Pokemon are a thing again and Mythicals tend to be associated with each roster update, there's now a chance

[quaint matrix]

What Mythical would it be though

[tacit saddle]

i know what the last one is

he showed me

[quaint matrix]

It's gotta be a standalone Mythical for one

Can't be something like Keldeo or whatever

[full bison]

Volcanion makes sense thematically and Hoopa makes sense with the context of ORAS stuff

[quaint matrix]

Man I do not care for Hoopa and Volcanion one bit

Heatran-tier "Oh they're Legendaries?"

[trail hull]

great

[tacit saddle]

having hoopa would be cool

[trail hull]

Now I know who to bribe

[quaint matrix]

I like the Ghost Hoopa though

[tacit saddle]

you can't waterboard it out of me

[quaint matrix]

That big djinn Hoopa is ass sadly and it really affects my enjoyment of Hoopa in general

[viscid hull]

If Sapphire wins, I hope we get Clawitzer, Croagunk, Dragalge or Floatzel

[trail hull]

jokes on you I don't know what waterboards mean

[ivory seal]

Ahhh, I want to join the events but I don't know which ones I can do if I can't sprite ;^;

[quaint matrix]

Do you genuinely not know what waterboarding is or

[full bison]

Manaphy would be cool but it has Phione as a tagalong, so I'm good with ignoring it

[trail hull]

manaphy and phioen are in the regular movie list

[quaint matrix]

I'd be cool with Phione and Manaphy together

This is also mostly because I love Phione in the anime lmao

A true Brock at heart

[tacit saddle]

join a team anyway. the winning team gets to vote, so it's like throwing your hat in the ring

[full bison]

As much as I don't like Volcanion, it would be funny if there was a whole sidequest of Aqua vs Magma that culminated in the two teams bickering over which team gets to lay claim to it

[quaint matrix]

That reminds me

There is only 3 Mythicals in Gen 6 right?

[full bison]

Yup

[quaint matrix]

It's a very legendary-sparse gen

[ivory seal]

I see Ducklett and Gastrodon, I am set

I am... blue ;3

[trail hull]

we already got 1

so 2 left

[quaint matrix]

In PiF Hoenn specifically I think it'd be funny if we see the triple fusion of Diancie/Volcanion/Hoopa

And that's what Magma/Aqua are fighting over

[prime dust]

ew

[viscid hull]

a new team that wants to combine the weather trio because they think it would result in a paradise, or something like that.

[trail hull]

here are all the extra point granting fusions components

[full bison]

Ruby gets Plusle, Sapphire gets Minun, and Emerald gets Jolteon. This feels a tiny bit unfair

I guess it's made up for a bit that Emerald is also saddled with Spinda

[trail hull]

well spinda is easier to make

[spiral musk]

kind of strange emerald gets 3 eeveelutions when the others gets only 2

[gray stream]

it’s because emerald good

and the ruby and sapphire taste bad

hope this helps

[spiral musk]

isn't mars red?

[velvet root]

Cuz there isnt a thirs pikaclone

[spiral musk]

smh my head

[trail hull]

but marsians are gree,

[velvet root]

Cuz Purugly

[gray stream]

exactly

also, im mars emerald

it’s called an ultimate form

[proud lion]

I’m with Team Aqua on this one

[velvet root]

https://tenor.com/view/green-man-hip-hop-crazy-dance-moves-gif-17957906

https://tenor.com/view/zinnia-pokemon-lorekeeper-feet-up-rayquaza-gif-24101061

Reminder this Goat of a Trainer is team Green

[spiral musk]

the only trainer that use gogoat that I remember of is geeta

[velvet root]

Not my fault your memory is shitty

But whatever
Idc how many dislike Gogoat or try to talk it down
I stay with it deserving to finaly be added

[rancid nymph]

Ramos has it as his ace

[clear lichen]

Fun fact: Latios is affiliated with Ruby/Omega Ruby and Latias is affiliated with Sapphire/Alpha Sapphire

No clue why it isn't the opposite way around but hey it means nobody is allowed to make a joke on me picking Ruby when I'm a Latios

[clear lichen]

Can't say they're Heatran tier because Hoopa actually feels like a Legendary in lore

In gameplay Hoopa's a fucking 680 BST fraud

Bro is better in like 1 generation

Volcanion kinda gets the short end of the stick on both fronts but hey it's not bad competitively at least

It's like what, UU? RU? And I definitely know it has a niche in OU in at least current gen

[molten loom]

Totally even team numbers

[vital stone]

not my goat volcanion 💔

[clear lichen]

What lore does Volcanion even have

Like even in the movie I don't think it has much

[vital stone]

it doesn’t have much but i still like volcanion

it’s cool

[clear lichen]

It's just some hot spring mf who likes Magearna for some reason and also has telepathy???

Actually where did the fucking telepathy even come from

[vital stone]

no clue

maybe i’ll look into it

[dim sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-anime-pokeani-bw-rival-destinies-bw069-gif-1154675854161156903

[grave jolt]

AND ARCHEN IS RUBY D:

Gogoat is team emerald ):

[molten loom]

Yanmega is with us

[grave jolt]

I'm sorry gogoaters, I gotta stick to my bit 😔

But nearly double the number of people have gone for Team Sky over the other two so they're probably gonna win

[molten loom]

The real question is how many are actually spriters

Or active as spriters

[thin pawn]

I hope if they ever have Pokemon Legends in Hoenn, Zinnia or some other lorekeeper shows up

[clear lichen]

Given that ZA takes place in the future, I think the main criteria is being based off a legendary in some way

Legends Arceus had Arceus

ZA will very clearly have Zygarde

Idk if they'd do another game with Rayquaza as the main Pokemon

[thin pawn]

They could do like Pokemon Legends Jirachi, where one of the lorekeepers gives lore dumps about jirachi or something

[clear lichen]

I mean apart from like idk

Let's Go Rayquaza or something like that

Idfk

Like some sort of Emerald remake

[thin pawn]

Let's go Rayquaza would be crazy

[rancid nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/dr-evil-how-about-no-austin-powers-gif-17640212

[clear lichen]

Ig that could make sense

[thin pawn]

Maybe have it take place in space or something

That could be cool

[clear lichen]

A Legends Game based around Eternatus and the Darkest Day could go so hard

[thin pawn]

I still don't understand the Eternatus hype

[clear lichen]

Necrozma does kinda already have a game but like c'mon the concept of a game that takes place in Ultra Space is just too cool and a legends game surrounding it would be the perfect opportunity

[thin pawn]

It's kind of lame

Ultra Space legends game though

Now that's a fire idea

[weak trellis]

Ultra wormholes but it's the entire game

now that would justify having a separate canon for each save file rofl

[dim sparrow]

||these are not meant to dunk on any pokemon in particular they are just fun to make ||

[zenith token]

poor guys

[rancid nymph]

Swoobat should get an evolution at some point

[full bison]

"what new Pokemon do you relish the most?"
"Beartic"
"How chilling"
"Beartic has a fun icy face motif to make sprites out of. It would also be our only source of the ability Slush Rush, which could give Hail teams the ability to actually compete with other weathers."
"Given the track record with Pokemon in IF getting abilities they received later in the series, it's probable that Slush Rush will go completely ignored. Beartic Body sprites would also struggle to differentiate themselves from Ursaring body sprites, and Cubchoo's snot makes it likely to lead to more obnoxiously cursed sprites, like what happened to Miltank."

And yes I hold both of these opinions simultaneously

[full bison]

I don't think Gamefreak will take that risk. Simple is one of those abilities that Gamefreak is terrified to attach to an actually good Pokemon, and rightfully so.

[fathom ridge]

@hexed agate would giving yangmega the emerald role break something?

[hexed agate]

my swears of forever fighting it

Yanmega and I are enemies

[fathom ridge]

wait this is lore i wasnt aware of

[hexed agate]

@light garden

since it likes Emerald that much

[fathom ridge]

/8ball do you hate pory?

-8ball do you hate pory?

[light garden]

do you hate pory?
:8ball: Outlook good

[fathom ridge]

is that a yes? its not really clear

[molten loom]

You know what they say, keep your friends close, but your enemies closer

[clear lichen]

I think that counts as a yes

[rancid nymph]

So then don’t give the evolved form simple

[hexed agate]

indeed.

[clear lichen]

Tbh I hate Yanmega (bot) too that's why I have bug spray

[clear lichen]

No, give the evolved form Simple and relish in the chaos

Give it Esper Wing too while you're at it

[quaint matrix]

I mean hey

[clear lichen]

It's a Psychic type

It has wings

[quaint matrix]

With PIF Swoobat can actually become something of a menace

[clear lichen]

I don't see why not

[quaint matrix]

Actually I think it's probably gonna be the best QD Simple around and supplants Bibarel

Yep it got the speed to really benefit from setting up without fail

[rain locust]

id imagine itd be a bit of a noobtrap

[clear lichen]

Sounds like a lot of a noobtrap if I'm being honest

[quaint matrix]

I mean relative to Bibarel it is faster

[safe depot]

Maybe but Sleep Powder, Q-Dance and Simple is something to fear

[clear lichen]

"Ooh double stat boosts!"

• Stats so poor that not even fusion can save them

[quaint matrix]

I doubt Bibarel is doing in anything in OU right now lol

[rain locust]

it isnt

[quaint matrix]

Yeah and that mid Speed is probably the killer

[clear lichen]

Swoobat at least has better speed and I think SpA than Bibarel

[full bison]

I remember seeing some post about Bibarel/Garchomp or some other Dragon being OU Viable, but that was probably just coping over Simple Ddance

[safe depot]

Swoobat may not have stats, but it does have speed

[rain locust]

the low stats in general and the fact that unaware is pretty popular mean that simple is just not v good

[clear lichen]

... Wait does it have more SpA?

It has low SpA

But I'd imagine Bibarel would have lower

[dim sparrow]

I concepted one once

[safe depot]

High speed means it'll be the body, so you can slap a head with a sh*t-ton of Special attack and make use

[dim sparrow]

most of the boosts where in defense

[safe depot]

It could at least be very fun to use

[dim sparrow]

a tiny bit in speed, spa and attack

I think spattack became ~93

[safe depot]

They're scared of Simple yet will create shit like all of the legendaries the past few gens, Speed Boost Espathra, etc

[quaint matrix]

Yeah but they're Legendaries though

[full bison]

Bibarel's SpA is 55, so lower by a noticeable amount

[quaint matrix]

Espathra is kinda an anomaly so

Anyway with Air Slash it even already has a decent Special STAB to make use of as a body

[rain locust]

air slash is pretty bad

[safe depot]

Okay fine I'll be more specific:

They also created Ursaluna Bloodmoon, Kingambit, Annihilapes move not resetting on switch out, Last Respects, Shit like Ceaseless Edge

[clear lichen]

Why can't Air Slash have 100% accuracy at least man

[quaint matrix]

I mean sure

Oblivion Wing is at least an option

Even if it'll lock Swoobat to just being Dark/Flying

[clear lichen]

It already has literal Fire Punch level damage

[full bison]

Serene Grace Air Slash needs to have at least one flaw

[quaint matrix]

The flinch is pretty considerable tbf

[safe depot]

Flinch Chance is why

[quaint matrix]

Even outside of Serene Grace

[safe depot]

Remember its like Rock Slide

[quaint matrix]

It's fucked up but it's the same reason Rock Slide is 90 acc

[clear lichen]

Skymin's is being in Ubers and Togekiss' is mediocre speed

[safe depot]

except with five more acc and doesn't hit both

[clear lichen]

That's all is needed IMO

[dim sparrow]

Swoobat definitely a better simple abuser (than bibarel) but with the amount of unaware mons it's not realistically actually going to be great

[rain locust]

cedge is sooo cool esp when you slap it on kangaskhan mega

[clear lichen]

You can't kneecap an entire type for like

2 notable abusers of a move

[dim sparrow]

But for playthroughs I imagine Simple Swoobat would be really fun

[safe depot]

You say that yet people will argue against buffing the Ice type or Psychic type because of mons like Weavile and Tapu Lele.

There was genuinely this huge argument back during Gen 8 is was so obnoxious

[dim sparrow]

especially when you can fuse it with something that isn't made of paper

[full bison]

Really though, what moves would Swoobat be abusing with Simple? Quiver Dance? Volc is banned and most other Mons with it are mid

[dim sparrow]

probably plot

[safe depot]

Nasty Plot

[rain locust]

throwback to my rage fist rework

[clear lichen]

Ice itself isn't exactly flawed tbf

That said Psychic definitely is

[dim sparrow]

that is a lot of pp

[safe depot]

Just make Psychic resist Fairy and like maybe another type

[quaint matrix]

Ice isn't a flawed type if a lot of the mons following its assignment is more common

[rain locust]

volc would be a bad fusion anyway bc the best stats would be bug flying

[clear lichen]

I will not stop arguing for a Psychic buff until the day I die

[quaint matrix]

Psychic got a lot of mon knowing the assignment of the type but it is still a shite type sadly

[rain locust]

its so ur able to get the max bp off

[safe depot]

Psychic suffers from being a shit type until its not.

Again, PsySpam is very popular right now,

[clear lichen]

Psychic's the opposite of Ice where the Pokemon actually have noteworthy stats but the type is just straight dogshit with barely any redeeming qualities

[dim sparrow]

the reverse is just bad, sad

[full bison]

Imagine Xerneas being added too and seeing a bunch of people trying to make Geomancy Simple work. That sounds like a noobtrap and a half

[dim sparrow]

I mean the normal one gets killed by most priority moves

[safe depot]

The type is fine, it just suffers from there being "Better Psychic" aka Fairy .

Kinda like how Flying is just "Better Bug"

[full bison]

Geomancy Simple can already technically exist, but Celebi would be even worse

[clear lichen]

Tbh Ghost is more of a better Psychic than Fairy

[chrome heath]

At least so that there are enough in the game when it comes out

[dim sparrow]

I mean, imagine this in Expert mode in the game

[clear lichen]

Since Ghost has the exact same good MUs as Psychic

[safe depot]

Why use Psychic for the fighting resistance when you could use Fairy

[quaint matrix]

I think Psychic in general just tends to get supplanted by other types defensively

[safe depot]

Psychic needs a defensive buff, like a Fairy resistance

[clear lichen]

That said exact same good MUs isn't a high bar

[quaint matrix]

Even offensively it only works because an awful lot of mons that are competently statted happen to be Psychic

[clear lichen]

When Psychic has 2 good MUs

[dim sparrow]

the drawback of geomancy is that you can't really use it more than once 90% of the time
especially if fused with something frail

[clear lichen]

Ghost has those 2 and more

And less crippling weaknesses too

[quaint matrix]

Strong legendaries and freak cases (Espathra) does not make a good type

[rain locust]

we must add tapu lele

[dim sparrow]

monkey paw curls, you get tapu bulu

[rain locust]

[clear lichen]

I feel like Lele would be Ubers am I wrong in thinking that

[rain locust]

probably lol

[clear lichen]

At least Tapu Rilla isn't here

[full bison]

Psychic isn't the big problem with Lele, it's Expanding Force. Expanding Force deserves a nerf and Psychic deserves a buff

[dim sparrow]

there is no expanding force

but still

strong mon with strong abil

[clear lichen]

Idk though Lele is still a bitch even without Expanding Force (in Singles)

Not quite Ubers level bitch but top tier OU level bitch

[safe depot]

I've seen Psychic get buffed offensively in Hacks and it suuucks to fight. Psychic is fine offensively, its a neutral type with reliable STAB and strong users.

The issue is Dark and Ghost are fucking everywhere and it only resists Two types, those being itself and fighting.

So I think (On top of maybe nerfing Dark and Ghost a little like making Bug resist them) Psychic should be buffed to resist one or two types.

[dim sparrow]

I don't know how prevalent Espeed dnite is anymore, but it completely shuts that down

[rain locust]

fairly popular

the biggest draw is 1.5x psychic though

[dim sparrow]

it was stronger in gen 7?

or has it always been 1.5x

[clear lichen]

Stronger in Gen 7

Same for Electric and Grassy Terrain I think

Misty Terrain doesn't give a damage boost to Fairy and quite frankly thank motherfucking Arceus it doesn't

[dim sparrow]

always found it weird that fairy doesn't get buffed
but then again Tapu Fini's type doesn't even match the thing, it's just that they are all fairy types

[safe depot]

Makes me ask what's the point of it though

[full bison]

Hopefully the toxicity of Armarouge PsySpam makes Gamefreak realize that Expanding Force is a toxic move.
Then again, as I always say, they're the guys who made Flutter Mane

[clear lichen]

Anti status

And uhh

Weakening Dragon moves

On 2 Fairy types

Because yeah

[safe depot]

Because Dragon needed that?

[dim sparrow]

ah yes
scald misty terrain tapu fini

[clear lichen]

This is why we run Defog Fini

[safe depot]

Because Fini can stay in longer than its terrain and then fish for burns

[dim sparrow]

thiinking about it Tapu fusions + toxapex would look sick
wooden bunker

[clear lichen]

I have 0 clue if that's why we run Defog Fini

To be honest it's probably just hazards

[rain locust]

no its just a good defogger

[dim sparrow]

it's cuz defog is a good move

[rain locust]

beats heatran and stuff

[full bison]

I would probably just prefer to use Pex in that case

[clear lichen]

But at the same time it is funny that Misty Terrain sabotages Scald

And that Defog sabotages Misty Terrain

[dim sparrow]

speaking of showdown
why is the gen 6 starter triple fusion ou

is it just new

[rain locust]

new but also fairly strong

[dim sparrow]

the abilities don't really make any sense

[clear lichen]

Does it have Blaze Overgrow Torrent or Magician Bulletproof Protean

[clear lichen]

Oh

Neither apparently

[dim sparrow]

you would think

[rain locust]

is it supposed to have one of those

[full bison]

Solar Power and Rain Dish on something with Legendary tier stats sounds disgusting

[rain locust]

rn ppl use like cm pump blast giga drain

[safe depot]

Those are the Gen 1 starters

[dim sparrow]

it has the highest stats of all 3?

[rain locust]

overgrow helps sometimes with boosting giga

[clear lichen]

Wow that still makes no sense because Overgrow isn't Venusaur's HA, that's Chlorophyll

[safe depot]

So its Venusaurs normal ability and the other twos hiddens

[dim sparrow]

damn so it gets the highest stats of all the mons from the fusion
yet the other ones are stuck with avarages still

[clear lichen]

Yeah but I'd expect all 3 base or all 3 hiddens

[clear lichen]

Also wait fr?

Damn that's kinda crazy

[safe depot]

Weak to Stealth Rock, NU at best

[dim sparrow]

chesnaught hp,attack,defense,delphox spa,spd, gren speed

[rain locust]

zapmoltcuno is weaker to sr and its lowkey kinda good

[clear lichen]

It's a good thing most starters aren't minmaxed huh

[safe depot]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-the-joke-ranier-wolfcastle-mc-bain-the-simpsons-stand-up-comedy-gif-4372917

[dim sparrow]

I do love Zapdos and Zapdos

[full bison]

The fact that Frog could do something similar with the Alola starters and it likely wouldn't be OP cause none of them have good speed

[safe depot]

Wait those are its stats? That's the thing everyone over-prepares for?

Surprising

[dim sparrow]

the gen 5 one would look like this

[dim sparrow]

rembember in the boss battle version there is 3 of them

[safe depot]

Still its not that bad

[dim sparrow]

and they all have charti berries iirc

the stats are also not the exact same

it has 50 speed instead

and more bulk I think

[full bison]

That's the kind of distribution that I would expect out of a mid Pseudo

[dim sparrow]

they do kind of want you to move first

[safe depot]

Yet it always sets Tailwind first thing

[dim sparrow]

it would be grass/water/fire/fighting type which is not terrible
grass does kinda stack a million weaknesses but not weak to rock at least thanks to fighting

[safe depot]

You'd only be weak to Poison, psychic and Flying?

Fire and Water cancel out the fire, ice and bug weaknesses

[dim sparrow]

actually only weak to flying poison and psychic

(cant do 4 types in the command)

that's pretty good

[safe depot]

That's....what I said

[dim sparrow]

yeah didn't see

[rain locust]

you forgot nuclear

[dim sparrow]

atrocious type

[zenith token]

ice type but shittier

[dim sparrow]

when they announced stellar i was afraid it would be exactly that

[full bison]

Apparently an Alola starter triple fusion would look like:
HP: 95
Atk: 107
Def: 90
SpA: 126
SpD: 116
Spe: 70
Total: 604
Literally just 4 points away from being a Pseudo

[dim sparrow]

anyways this is relevant again again I think (I think it has literally no chance but I can hope :p)

[grave jolt]

oh boy we got the propaganda again

[full bison]

I will probably start drawing stuff of Mienshao for propaganda purposes, but so far the only suggestion I've gotten for it that I can see working is Crobat. Open for more suggestions

There's probably some Arkveld reference I can make thanks to the whips, but I don't know what to fuse it with to make that

[lethal zephyr]

Kommo-o

[molten loom]

7 more and emerald is at 300

[safe depot]

https://tenor.com/view/bask-in-the-superiority-green-role-gif-17657558061758863158

[molten loom]

1 more

[rain locust]

https://tenor.com/view/green-role-sol’s-rng-sols-rng-rolecism-green-gif-12589602594500480387

[trail hull]

I don't remember for saphire but last year I know that vikavolt and salazzle were in the top 10 (I think salazzle was in top 3 or 5) so if any of these two team wins then it most likely going to be these one

[grave jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/green-role-rolecism-rolecist-gif-16499307279472812267

[safe depot]

https://tenor.com/view/gojo-red-role-red-name-gif-12766228929703658477

[rancid nymph]

But they won’t win. Because team Sapphire is the best

[trail hull]

yeah

alpha saphire for life

[molten loom]

I really do question why these gifs exist

[safe depot]

There's so many

[thin pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/choso-jjk-green-role-gif-7168848807784209849

choso my goat

[safe depot]

It lowkey feels like perhaps its fueling something yucky

[molten loom]

like 1-3 maybe i could understand

[safe depot]

But its funny for this server

[molten loom]

but this many

[thin pawn]

It looks like an inside joke someone made for some other server

[safe depot]

https://tenor.com/view/role-rolecist-rolecism-time-to-get-rolecism-gif-11489088456036336942

[molten loom]

it appears the picking of teams has ended

[clear lichen]

Anyways, time to do absolutely nothing for my team and lurk

[velvet root]

Could also be that there was a way to change teams and thats why noa ccess

soooo.... for the vote part one of these 3 get added
Excadrill
Dragalge
Vikavolt

[full bison]

If drawing Mienshao propaganda is contributing to the team, that's probably what I'll do

[velvet root]

I would do Goat propaganda but there is so much disliking inside of the team already it wont help

Welp gotta life with Gogoat being one of the last mons

[full bison]

On a side note I feel like it was a missed opportunity that there weren't any Pseudos included in this.
Tyranitar for Ruby, Goodra for Sapphire, Salamence for Emerald

[civic harness]

Is the team with less memebers I think

We are doomed

[thin pawn]

Most of the world is ocean, we got this

[civic harness]

Wait

Oh we arent the team with less members

[civic harness]

Ok let me end before my trash so I can start making fish for points

Ok I better should start to do fish between trash

[clear lichen]

I'm pretty sure there's a competition between 3 teams and that's how the voters are decided

But I am bad at reading because I'm an Undertale fan

So don't take my word for it

[civic harness]

The winner team can choose an pokemon or an line in their respective list

#pick-your-team message

[thin pawn]

Is there any franchise whose fans are actually GOOD at media comprehension

[trail hull]

ruby is the lowest team and emerald the highest

[civic harness]

Long time I didnt see you Pokebio

[trail hull]

I hope us saphire can still beat the 100 extra emerald mebers

[trail hull]

oh yeah it's been a while

[civic harness]

How is Mono Type Team?

Going

[trail hull]

it's going well

while it slows down we got a revival a few months ago

tho we have over 1500 sprites to do

[civic harness]

Congrats

[trail hull]

that's still a lot

[civic harness]

Good to know isnt?

[trail hull]

yeah , it's gonan be a pain

[civic harness]

Pain trades I see

[trail hull]

especially because each additions gives us a few

[civic harness]

Anyways

I just realize I didnt join the team jet

I would take the role soon, I have things to do now

Goodbye lads

[ivory seal]

Ducklett lovers anyone?

[velvet root]

soooo @civic harness you gonna hunt for your Crab or help with ze Goat?

[trail hull]

@tender plank you're in saphire team right?

[tender plank]

ya

[velvet root]

Hexa I swear if Blue wins get them to add Costa
So atleast one of our beloved guys gets in

[full bison]

If Carracosta gets in then that might let Archeops tag along, so I'd accept it

[civic harness]

Im sorry lad but I may join blue to get finally the Crabs in PIF

[velvet root]

good point good luck to you me friend

[tender plank]

That's da plan 🫡

[civic harness]

Thanks and dont worry, your team have +100 members than us

[tender plank]

true

[velvet root]

And many of them dislike Gogoat

[civic harness]

Oh

Oh sorry for heard that lad

Probably in my team they would not like the idea of Crabominable in pif neither xd

[velvet root]

Yeah I am realistic I wont be the guy with most points no matter what I do and the Emerald winner def isnt Gogoat, maybe Vikavolt or Pangoro but not Goat

[civic harness]

So... lets hope and try

Good luck to you too lad

[velvet root]

Thank you

[trail hull]

while I want gogoat to join in , I'm forever a saphire fan

[velvet root]

And thats fine

[full bison]

Again, every team has cool stuff in it

Ruby just has the most stuff that appeals to me

[civic harness]

What are you trying to get in pif, lad?

[civic harness]

Epic

[trail hull]

tho I'll try to help tirtouga or crabominable to get in

[velvet root]

Not all mine just the last 4

[civic harness]

Good to know, to get all the fossils with tirtouga? Or at least more fossils for the game

Or just because you like it?

[trail hull]

because hex likes tirtouga

and I'm i nthe same propaganda server as hex

if I picked emerald I would have supported gogoat

[velvet root]

Dinner is there too

[trail hull]

I forgot they were in the server

but they don't have any team roles

at least on my screen they don't

[thin pawn]

I just want Karrablast

[trail hull]

these chart have all of the bonus point granting mon of each team fused with each other, it's not guaranteed but someone asked gordo if we would get bonus point for each and it's a maybe. SSo just incase peopel want a headstart or just to get lots of pont in general here it is https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1110680705018646658/1403367742685446286/TEAM_RUBYYY.png?ex=68974b8f&is=6895fa0f&hm=69d2b16220bdd138f997602726a91b498892fc3857778ab7b5e2adf13431813b&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=468&height=525

[tender plank]

uh there are 2 of the emerald one

[tender plank]

and the ruby one isn't there

[full bison]

Clearly the Burmy line is getting added. Everyone joined a team that featured it, so that means everyone wants it at least a little, right?

[trail hull]

in that logic we're gettign at least one elemental monkey

[velvet root]

For the Gogoat part
Cuz many REALLY dislike it with no reason

Like a lot of mods too for example

[glass patio]

i'd really like peakavolt to win but gogoat's peak too

and it's gonna instantly have a lot of sprites when it comes out lol (are all gogoat sprites alr made or is it close to that?)

[trail hull]

we don't have all made , we just have already more then 100 sprites

[glass patio]

oh really? i was pretty sure i once saw there was a lot more made but ig i confused it with smth else idk

[velvet root]

Welp we got slower with producing since hate grew and teams got shut down

[lofty spindle]

Huh, would you look at that, after I mentioned it, Bearctic is on the table.

[velvet root]

I could check all goats

134 Goats with no dupes etc

[trail hull]

well since we're in a separated server we don't gain easily a new influx

[velvet root]

Expecting noone forgot to add theyr stuff

[rancid nymph]

Last I checked, Ruby had the least. Though the role channel is unavailable now, so I’m not sure if that’s changed

[glass patio]

I mean still a lot for a mon not in the game

[velvet root]

Yeah

But yeah so many people hate and dislike Gogoat with such a passion I feel bad thinking of getting it in
Like I dont see that hate on any other mon

[rain locust]

i hate cincinno

i dont hate gogoat

[glass patio]

it is very possible that there's a bunch of people who joined emerald because it's the rayquaza game and aren't actually gonna contribute

[velvet root]

Jep

Its likely

[civic harness]

Ok Im back lads

[velvet root]

Hi back

[civic harness]

ITS UNAVAIBLE?

Welp

That happen by not realize that I didnt join before

[trail hull]

it apparently wasn't supposed to close that soon

maybe ping gordo and say which team you wanted

[civic harness]

I would wait first to see if maybe in somehours is back

Oh wait

Better

[trail hull]

oh someoen gave it to you

[civic harness]

Aparently it happen when you choose the role

So you dont leave the team

[trail hull]

team saphire let's do our best , we might be 100 less then emerald but there's hig hchanc ea lto of the emerald partcipant jsut choosed it because it's the rayquaza version and won't contribute anything

[midnight wharf]

Hoping for Leavanny, It sews, so any pokemon it get's fused with can wear a sweater

[velvet root]

You dont have to rub it under our nose

[random dragon]

Tsareena is the green M&M bait of the emerald role

[trail hull]

this batch we can expect 3-4 lines , 1 from the poll , 1 fom the points , one from the last movie and not guaranteed but likely 1 from fishmas

[civic harness]

We cant get an Fishmas miracle for this event, is too early

[dusty arrow]

im insulted by the lack of ice type magikarp in the ruby/sapphire/emerald thing

[trail hull]

should have been a a saphire vote

[civic harness]

NO WAY YOU ALIVE?!

I mean

Hello there lad

[dusty arrow]

hello

[civic harness]

Long time no see you around

[dusty arrow]

wouldve been sapphire yeah

[dusty arrow]

good to see ya

[civic harness]

How is the ice going?

[dusty arrow]

its going, i need to.update the propaganda poster but dunno if thats really needed as of now

[trail hull]

poor rubies

[civic harness]

Shiny Ice Type Magikarp

[dusty arrow]

true

it actually makes the gold color of the magikarp flow with the purple ice cube

and its a noticable purple unlike a lot of the ice tyoe shinies

very nice shiny overall

[civic harness]

Epic

[dusty arrow]

shout out to bucklin for making this btw

[civic harness]

Mr Icekarp

[spice sage]

ruby has the best selection of mons too smhhh

[dusty arrow]

oh hi frog

[civic harness]

Indeed, to make sprites Torkoal is so damn good

[dusty arrow]

wheres my ice type magikarp

[civic harness]

And thank you so much to still working on this fangame

[trail hull]

yeah but sadly I think that a lot of people just picked emerald because of rayquaza

[dusty arrow]

anyway yeah?

[trail hull]

also hi frog

[molten loom]

no I picked emerald because

https://tenor.com/view/sewaddle-pokemon-nintendo-walking-walk-gif-25086273

[civic harness]

Is running from the cops

[spice sage]

do they not realize that rayquaza is already in the game?

[trail hull]

guess that means you have to add it again

[civic harness]

Ah yes, Rayquaza 2 for pif

[rancid nymph]

So is it just one Pokémon (in addition to all of the missing Hoenn ones) that’s being added?

[trail hull]

2 lines

and maybe be a 3rd

[spice sage]

just straight up a second dex slot for rayquaza

[trail hull]

yes

[full bison]

OMG GUYS MEGANRAYQUAY CONFURMED!!!1!

[rancid nymph]

Mega Evolution for PIF Hoenn

[civic harness]

Rayquaza 2 confirmed for this year

[full bison]

Finally, usable Aggron

[trail hull]

I hope no one is going to complain about hte amount of lines we're getting this year, thsi year we already got 64 new mons

[weak trellis]

aggron body but without the rock typing

[civic harness]

The problem is that for Fusion Day events everyone expect a lot

But at least 2 or 3 new lines are fine by the mons that we got before in this year

[trail hull]

these peopel are dumb because we already got ** 64 ** new mons

[civic harness]

That dumb are really?

[rancid nymph]

Honestly, I’m surprised we’re getting any new mons other then the missing Hoenn ones

[trail hull]

same

[civic harness]

Same xd

Maybe next year

[full bison]

I was expecting at most it would be a surprise Mythical, not a new voted in Mon

[civic harness]

Or the next year of that

Or the next next year of that

[rancid nymph]

I’d rather this. Mythicals suck

[trail hull]

to me we're getting , 2 community line , 1 mythical and maybe 1 fishmas

tho the monkeys could be the troll this time year

[full bison]

Or Burmy

[rancid nymph]

That would explain why it’s an option for every team

Though if we’re not gonna have the alternate forms there’s really no point

[torn crane]

just give 50 spindas instead

[civic harness]

Luvdisc Situation?

[trail hull]

honestly last year I managed to cope luvdisc into reality so who knows

[civic harness]

Remember that? Disliked but too viral that end getting in

[rancid nymph]

The monkeys would be 9999999999999999999999999999x better then Luvdisc

[full bison]

Why stop at 50 when we can add all 4 billion and turn IF into a ZIP bomb

[civic harness]

Depends in the public and what they dislike

[glass patio]

icekarp is on the secret ice team that immediately gets 1 million points and wins instantly

[civic harness]

Ok that shut my mouth

But I also think that they may enter this year

[proud lion]

We need best monkey

Do it for

[trail hull]

oh it was already made

that means I'll have to do the body if ti gets in

[scarlet pebble]

I dont think frog should add the other monkeys

Just 1 of the three

[trail hull]

the monekys are a package deal

[scarlet pebble]

Nah

Then the whole point of this was useless

They are divided

They shouldnt come as one

[trail hull]

to me they were probably put in just so that people remember they exist

[dusty arrow]

CHAT

HOLY SHIT

THEY DID IT

[rancid nymph]

Who’s they and what did they do?

[dusty arrow]

THE

[trail hull]

oh he mean ice type magikarp

[rancid nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/its-time-to-stop-stop-clock-time-gif-5001372

[dusty arrow]

ITS REAL

HES REEEAAAL

[dusty arrow]

stop what

[scarlet pebble]

Wait

[dusty arrow]

hes an actual pokemon my guy

[scarlet pebble]

Someone owes me a sprite manager role

[outer matrix]

If frog adds in the elemental monkeys I'll do a pokefan for them

[trail hull]

I hope we get a way to check for points

[civic harness]

There isnt something in the same document with the info?

[trail hull]

no but like in real time

[midnight wharf]

If a single elemental monkey wins they probably all get in

[velvet root]

They do

[weak trellis]

I'd laugh if ice-type magikarp wins then frog 180's and adds cryogonal instead as a tradeoff

[fathom ridge]

Wasn’t ice type magikarp emerald?

[dusty arrow]

why would it be emerald?

[glass patio]

yeah i'm pretty sure it is

it's pretty green

[fathom ridge]

I saw it yesterday remember?

[glass patio]

ngl

[dusty arrow]

well the images clearly show it as sapphire

[fathom ridge]

Kinda weird I could of sworn it was in emerald

[dusty arrow]

it also makes sense to be sapphire: mostly blue-ish, is a fish (inside the ice that is) and most of sapphire is water or ice type

[fathom ridge]

Cryogonal:

[dusty arrow]

i wouldve loved to support emwrald cuz of gogoat, but unfortunately ice type magokarp is in sapphire, so..

[glass patio]

yeah i'm pretty sure it's green

[fathom ridge]

||what Pokemon do you actually want from sapphire tho?||

[unkempt kernel]

The squirrel is gonna be so good is sapphire wins

[ivory seal]

I want duck

[dusty arrow]

||drampa, eelektross, unfezant, carracosta, crabominable, araquanid, wishiwashi, dragalge, duranr, esacavalier, and of course the guy||

[fathom ridge]

Ah fair enough

[glass patio]

btw for team emerald i'd either like green halo shedinja added or green minior core as a separate mon

[fathom ridge]

VIKAVOLT THO

[glass patio]

and after that vikavolt

[fathom ridge]

Vikavolt did very well on the poll last time I think it has a good chance if emerald wins

[unkempt kernel]

I mainly want Pach out of sapphire and a few others like the Goth line, Seismatoad and the Clawitzer line

[midnight wharf]

Just wanna see more Gen 5 mons mostly

The gen 5 fossils are the only ones missing

[glass patio]

tbh there's a bunch of pokemon from other teams i'd like too just went with emerald because i like vikavolt the most

[velvet root]

"I dont wanna support Emerald cuz Gogoat could have a chance to win"
Gogoat supporters casually joining every other team

I heard Emerald team members say that yeah

[glass patio]

and as long as smth dumb doesn't win i'm fine since most of the mons i like are alr in the game lol

[midnight wharf]

I mean, the mon I want most is the Snivy line, but that's not in here

[safe depot]

What if we perfectly tied it and then they’re forced to incorporate every mon! >:D

[glass patio]

poor frog

[velvet root]

The winning team doesnt get all its mons

[midnight wharf]

I think they're going to choose just one or two lines from the winner

[glass patio]

also another pokemon i'd really like is samurott but that isn't here

[dusty arrow]

but like, my man ice type magikarp is in sapphire

[velvet root]

I saw the other message
Its not even meant against you

[dusty arrow]

oh

im stupid-

[velvet root]

More against people thinking Gogoat wins and roast it for no reason

[glass patio]

https://tenor.com/view/gogoat-gogoated-wait-i'm-goated-wait-i'm-gogoated-goat-gif-15463623129408200215

[midnight wharf]

I mean, We don't have another goat mon, I wouldn't mind this guy winning

[safe depot]

I want Tsareena purely to spite some of the people here who were naysaying it

[midnight wharf]

The reason people don't want Tsareena cuz the wierdos want it

[velvet root]

Wow I just searched Gogoat in the search bar cuz of one message...
Seeing people I conciderd friends talking that badly about it kinda hurt.

[ivory seal]

Gogoat is nice but its not a duck

[velvet root]

Idk if I vote Gogoat if Emerald even wins
It really seems many have a big problem with it
I dont want to take anyones joy or excitement away

[ivory seal]

How I vote (if Sapphire wins) depends on the voting method.

[midnight wharf]

I wonder if only people on the winning team get to vote

[velvet root]

As I understood yes

[glass patio]

btw what is it that people hate so much about gogoat? is it because it's hard to sprite or do they just not like how it looks?

[midnight wharf]

There aren't many people on team ruby...

[velvet root]

Idk tbh
Like its pretty spriting friendly in all directions, no matter if you wanna stay simple or go for sick

[midnight wharf]

Hope for Mienshou decreasing

[velvet root]

The concept isnt that bad either

[safe depot]

Gogoats….fine. Its just unremarkable. Kinda neat yet one note moveset and it just doesn’t stand out

[velvet root]

Its useable even more in pif

Not the best mix of abilitys but a immunity is always nice ig

[midnight wharf]

People probably hate gogoat because of its mediocre learnset, as well as the underwhelming idea of Grass/Normal type

[safe depot]

Its pure Grass

[velvet root]

Its pure Grass

[safe depot]

You’re thinking of Sawsbuck

[midnight wharf]

oops

[glass patio]

for me, idrc about usability i like sprites more but ik why people care more about it being good
and gogoat looks like a pretty cool head mon

[safe depot]

But like

[midnight wharf]

Gogoat just seems like a normal type... since the grass aspect of it is so subtle

[velvet root]

But a weird learnset makes no sense a good chunk of pokes learn mostly onesided bullshit

[safe depot]

Is Gogoat really more interesting for Sprite potentially than like most of the others?

Its just a grass themed Mountain Goat

[velvet root]

Its also a Bike

[midnight wharf]

But we don't really have a goat, so it lets us use goat

[safe depot]

So is Stantler

[velvet root]

Stantler is a Deer

[midnight wharf]

stantler is a deer

[glass patio]

it's not my favorite but i do think it's pretty good for fusions

[safe depot]

That was for rhe bike comment

Kinda obviously

[velvet root]

Hows Stantler a Bike?

[safe depot]

I know Stantler isnt a fucking giat

You use its evolution like one in LA. The exact same as GoGoat

[glass patio]

who tf is a bike 😭

[midnight wharf]

Gogoat with Houndooms horns and color scheme would be dope

[civic harness]

It drinks oil

[safe depot]

Flygon in AlteRed

[velvet root]

I mean Gogoat is literally inspired by a chopper

[velvet root]

Exist

[midnight wharf]

Oh yeah, it's cool

[glass patio]

oh lol

[gray vine]

bothering

[inland jewel]

The pokemon that make me care about the team I join

Emerald basically became what pokemon I didn't like

[gray vine]

but you are emerald

[inland jewel]

yeah, I love so many in Emerald that it was harder to find a mon i didn't want

[inland jewel]

at first i thought iw as going to be team Ruby because of Alomomola and Musharna, but then Emerald came in like a truck

[fathom ridge]

YES more green

[elfin forge]

I can't think of a single person who wouldn't want Gogoat in IF

besides, it's what you want

why should the opinions of others matter so much?

[full bison]

If we had a bunch of people who voted based on how they thought others would vote, the will of the people would never be properly shown by it

[elfin forge]

vote for the Pokemon you want to be added

I don't like that Carbink got in but at the end of the day, it's what the Showdown users wanted, and I respect that

everyone has different tastes, and besides, a new Pokemon is a new Pokemon

[mental rune]

yk what i want.... roggenrola 🔥

[thin pawn]

i just picked blue team because i like blue

[mental rune]

i am the #1 roggenrola fan ever

[elfin forge]

Roggenrola would be cool

I definitely wouldn't mind that

Gigalith would be a pain in the ass to sprite though

[mental rune]

Fair but i could think of some sick combos

too bad i cant draw 😔

i dont really use the server too much so how often do they do votes for pokemon?

[elfin forge]

I can't remember the last time we've had a vote

[quaint matrix]

You could've been in Ruby!!!!!

Why didn't you show up fool

[mental rune]

i didnt even look at the mons i just always liked sapphire more

r u saying i couldve helped a chance of getting roggenrola

and didnt

[elfin forge]

If Ruby wins, you could vote for Roggenrola

[mental rune]

i cant switch can i

[elfin forge]

nah

[mental rune]

yeah im gonna go cry

[elfin forge]

Again, if Ruby wins, you could vote for Roggenrola

[mental rune]

what team is winning

[elfin forge]

I have no idea

[mental rune]

https://tenor.com/view/roggenrola-heart-locket-beloved-pokemon-gif-24472222

[elfin forge]

I don't think we'll know until the winner is announced

I mainly picked Ruby for Hippowdon

[mental rune]

well i really like the tynamo line too so i wouldnt be mad if sapphire won

[quaint matrix]

There are too many bangers in Ruby for me to pick another team

[elfin forge]

Sapphire and Emerald have the most mons I want, but Hippowdon is the mon I want the most

[quaint matrix]

Sapphire got too many chaffs in my opinion while Emerald is 50/50

[mental rune]

i dont care for anything in emerald tbh

[elfin forge]

Tynamo's my 2nd most wanted line

[mental rune]

i kinda just glanced at it i literally thought whatever team won was gonna get a random mon from that selection

prolly shouldve read

[quaint matrix]

I will say if Emerald wins I am straight picking Vespiquen

[mental rune]

i didnt even look at the mons

[quaint matrix]

That girl getting a competent defensive typing would go so hard

[mental rune]

tryna think what fusions would be cool

in emerald

[quaint matrix]

Bug/Steel Vespiquen

Imagine

[mental rune]

drapion fusions would be cool

ive been playing pokemon for like 12 years and im still a "this one looks cool" player 💔

[elfin forge]

If Emerald or Sapphire won, I'd pick Skiddo or Tynamo respectively

[mental rune]

same

fhuewaufhauefheauhfeawuhfwauefhuweafh i cant believe i didnt vote ruby

[elfin forge]

This is why you read things

[inland jewel]

the last time the server voted it was this time last year

which got blown away due to the ai scandal

this time though we're already getting all of Hoenn added so this is basically just the last few extra mons before the next major addition

though i think it would be fun if Frogman chose his favorite of each team just to add

[elfin forge]

Would be cool

I think it'd be funny if Burmy got added as a secret bonus mon like Luvdisc or Bruxish

[glass patio]

||or the monkes ||

[inland jewel]

What i would like to know is how many additions total there is going to be

from what i understand, winning team gets to choose a mon, and the MVP of the winning team gets a guarenteed addition, so thats at least 2.

Will there be a winners cup again? where all the winners of each event gets added to a raffle for their choice? or will it be just the two?

[elfin forge]

I thought it was the person with the most points regardless of what team they were in

[rain locust]

im gonna get the most points

[inland jewel]

this got answered, its total of 2 additional lines

[white meadow]

I can't wait to do contests with fusions. Lilycove is still one of my favorite spots to hang around back in Gen 3

[full bison]

It's unfortunately not guaranteed as of now, but Frog has expressed a desire to make them work so I would say the best position to be on contests is cautiously optimistic

[full bison]

On a related note, it looks like the contest type poll has seen an increase in traffic now that new Pokemon are a possibility again. Last I checked the poll it had a number of responses in the late 30s. It's currently at 45.

[torn crane]

Is the region ready?

[prime dust]

we might see a demo by the end of the year which will go up to Slateport

don't expect full release until sometime next year

[torn crane]

Alright, was confused with all the voting

[prime dust]

the only voting still going on currently is to give moves a "contest typing" that lack one

since pokemon contests in the mainline games only existed in gens 3 and 4

so any new moves added in 5, 6 and 7 lacked the proper data

[full bison]

Contests existed in ORAS, so Gen 5 and 6 moves are fine. It's only 7 that poses an issue

[safe depot]

Aren’t contests in BDSP?

[full bison]

Yes, but because of the obsession with being faithful to the originals they had for that, it doesn't have much of any Gen 7 moves anyway

Another brilliant move from BDSP

[safe depot]

The downside of outsourcing it

[prime dust]

yeah

and it has now put the question of whether to continue making remakes or not

[safe depot]

Oh they will

BDSP still sold well

[torn crane]

The sad reality, they can make ass and still sell well

[safe depot]

That's nintendo for ya

The shit sells well

The good games don't

Outside of Odyssey and Ultimate I guess

[prime dust]

i assume bananza sold well

[safe depot]

Never played it so I can't exactly attest to its quality

I'm curious if it'll be like most games on the switch when once the hype wears off it'll be much more mixed

[prime dust]

well, new games have the added fluff of conflict that is paying $450 for the system

not factoring in the new price of the game being higher

[outer matrix]

Bananza was extremely fun to play imo

Terrain stuff is cool as well

[full bison]

Personally I don't care how fun games like Bananza look- I'm not paying over $400 for a console that Nintendo can just decide won't work anymore if they see someone downloaded Dolphin 4 years ago

[safe depot]

I don't think they've bricked a console because of that, but I don't trust them

The Virtual Game Card stuff is already hot fucking garbage

[full bison]

"we understand the importance of physical media and hope people buy it more." Nintendo, who made it so physical is just a glorified download code and an extra $10 on the price tag

Gee I wonder if that has anything to do with them wanting us to buy their """"physical"""" games 😒

[lofty spindle]

Mind that the "faithfulness" was strictly mandated.

[lofty spindle]

To be fair Sony started it.

Nintendo just did it worse.

[safe depot]

Because they didn't trust the other studio to do anything

[safe depot]

Once again, say it with me everyone

Sony sucks

like Microsoft and Nintendo are not much better, but Sony has actively been behind most shitty video game trends like the very late 90s

[full bison]

Even worse is that with Microsoft basically abandoning the console scene and investing more in Game pass, Nintendo and Sony have an effective monopoly, so that's basically an open door to more and more enshittification

[lofty spindle]

Microsoft is releasing a new console.

And it competes with the Steamdeck, leaving Switch 2 in the dust.

[safe depot]

the switch 2 is the fastest selling console in US history. Its projected to do very well

[lofty spindle]

It is not doing better than Switch.

[velvet root]

I saw a lot over the last years

[elfin forge]

Don’t let that discourage you. At the end of the day, no matter what, there are going to be people who don’t like something, and there are people who do. Don’t let the opinions of others cloud your judgement

[tacit saddle]

dont think thats been a problem for zero, seeing his work ethic /hj

[elfin forge]

If you want Gogoat to be in IF, vote for it

I know some people won’t want Hippowdon in IF but I’m still gonna vote for it because it’s what I want, and I’m sure many others would want it too. You can’t please everyone, that’s just a given

[velvet root]

Dont be too sure about that.

[elfin forge]

Hell, even if it was something like Yungoos, I’d say the same

[velvet root]

Ngl I dont know where the version with the extra sprites is

Found it

[full bison]

Hippowdon would be cool. We could always use more weather mons

[elfin forge]

Maybe I should make a propaganda poster. Some fusions too

[velvet root]

Would be great
There are awesome Hippowdon line fusions

I really should make more for the hippo

[elfin forge]

Maybe I should make some Gogoats

[full bison]

I would make Mienshao propaganda sprites but I have no confidence in my spriting abilities. So I will probably stick to drawing stuff of it and hope someone else sprites it for me

[velvet root]

I thought I have more than 1 lol

[velvet root]

Nah its fine
I think we got some Mienshao line bases somewhere

[full bison]

Anaconja suggested making a Metagross/Mienshao fusion cause it would be potentially competitively viable, but my big thing with Shao sprites is what to do with the whips and I have no idea how to translate Metagross stuff onto them

[elfin forge]

Maybe keep them as whips but add claws on the end

[velvet root]

Wait I can send some

Some shaos

And a few foos

Missed a foo

[gray stream]

i do have an idea for that. either thrusting fire or maybe psychic energy

i’d prefer fire but it might be harder to implement

[full bison]

The big ideas I have for now are stuff like an Arkveld reference using some dragon, whip swords for Bisharp, Flails for Ferrothorn, sickle wings for Crobat, and broken chains for Regigigas

Those whips are pretty fun to theorize on, I'm realizing

[trail hull]

I've already made a few fusions to get points , while >I probably won't win the most point I'm gonna do my best for saphire to win

[trail hull]

HOLY MOLY

that's a lot

I really want to know the amount of non spriters in each teams

[velvet root]

Likely 300 XD

[quaint matrix]

Monotype Sand Stream goes so hard for fusion purposes

[trail hull]

guys imagine the surprise is that pif hoenn beta releases

[velvet root]

Imagine the suprise is the winning team gets 2 lines and all other new mons get picked from the other teams

[trail hull]

a bit confusing

[quaint matrix]

The winning team gets to vote for 2 lines added in right on and the other team votes in for the mons that weren't voted in

Is what I'm assuming

[spice sage]

Yall are greedy lol, you're already getting 64 hoenn mons on top of that

[quaint matrix]

Hey I'm not the one asking it

Lmao

https://tenor.com/view/stallipiano-gif-8633409668543310298

[velvet root]

Frog while your here

If a Emerald and Ruby collab both get points right?

[spice sage]

How it works is the winning team votes in a new line, and the person with the most points overall (who might not even be from the winning team at all) gets to pick another one to add themselves

[spice sage]

Unfortunately no, due to how points are counted, it has to be 1 sprite - 1 person. Collabs won't count in the score because it complicates things too much

[velvet root]

okay okay

[elfin forge]

Do sprites made with concept art count as collabs, then?

I can't remember if that's the case or not

[spice sage]

Basically, the point is going to go to whoever posts the sprite in the gallery (so the spriter in the case of sprites based on concept art)

[elfin forge]

Oh ok cool

[trail hull]

Yes people people want a lot to join, but like we already got more mons then last year

[inland jewel]

in addition, its explained in the Extra Point guide that spriting a mon from another team will not give you extra points

it also won't give them extra points

like if i Did a Numel Fusion, it won't give Team Ruby +3 points, it also won't give Team Emerald +3 points Unless its with a mon like Leafeon or Glaceon (which are on team Emerald)

[inland jewel]

they explained in #event-general that its 2 total lines

1 group vote, and one winners choice

the winners choice = Person who scored the most points overall

idk if the person who wins can choose a mon from the other teams or just choose a mon that is located within their own team. but the winning team can only choose a mon within their own team

[glass patio]

shedinja mentioned

[prime dust]

hmmm...valid point

@spice sage if you have time, would you be willing to confirm that tidbit?

i.e., Would the person with the most points overall have the freedom to chose from any mon/evo line or would they too be restricted by whatever team they are on?

[spice sage]

I think Gamr and Pory wrote it as only picking one from their team in the documents, but I don't have a problem with them picking something from another team too

[prime dust]

neat; that'll make things more interesting

[sudden jackal]

Oh hey frogzilla how r U it's been a while

[rancid nymph]

That’s a lot of scrubs ready to lose in Emerald

[molten loom]

How is it that every time we get coloured roles we become aggressive